February 15, 2023 • 36 mins
In Hour 1 of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, the guys react to the Raiders officially releasing Derek Carr, and give their takes on where the former Vegas QB will end up next. Jason and Mike discuss Aaron Rodger’s darkness retreat and decide to hold their own darkness retreat live on the show. Plus, reaction to Bucks vs Celtics and much more!
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Maybe you broke up with a sport team because they
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if you're not with anybody, you know, if you're not
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done together, if you're single, your best sports bread what
what what team should break up with its star player. Oh,
let's let's figure if you can't be with the one
you love, love the one you're with, what team keeps
breaking your heart year after year even though you know
it's a bad relationship. It's a terrible thing for you psychologically.
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And every fall, winter, spring, they're gonna break your heart.
Get on in at how about a fresca had swell
and you know, And the thing is that was like
acceptable sports talk radio for a while, Like it was
like what a great idea of Valentine's Day Live? That
was like acceptable. Oh yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
I mean for a long time. Oh we got that
going up. Uh special Arbor Day. Listen, what are your
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favorite trees? Favorite tree? Favorite tall athletes? Because tall athletes
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seven seven nine on Fox to them, No, that's good.
Now let's just listen to the Evening Show and run
with what they said. And it is a big evolution. Yeah,
instead of that, we're gonna do this instead now about that.
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get him. He is free, he is available speak on
Valentine's Day. Derek Carr broken up with by the Raider. Uh,
Derek Carr was coming. We've seen signs from weeks and
months at a time, a lot of back and forth
that got into the media, including camp conversations and long
diet tribes from family members on nash It Old television
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in the form of David Carr. The Raiders released Derek
Carr today after he declined to wave his no trade
clause and just before more than forty million dollars of
his contract would have become guaranteed. And now the sides
move on. Remember the big deal here is that Derek
Carr does not have to wait to sign because he's
not a free agent like everybody else's contract. Desterminated, he
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can sign before anybody else and likely he's going to
because this is where you're gonna get most likely the
best deal, right, because Aaron Rodgers is waiting. No decision.
We found out today. We'll get into Aaron Rodgers coming
up in a few minutes. His total darkness retreat is
not till the end of the week. He was very
upset to anybody that thought the darkness retreat was happening today.
He was really upset. That's not why the people think
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it's happening today. He got very haughty and very huffy
over that. But car is gonna go first because in
theory he will see the most money. Yeah, but I
gotta thought on that, Mike Harmen. See, here's the thing,
Derek Carr. I'll tell you where his best fit is
in a second. But for all this, Derek Carr is
gonna get a six year, a hundred and something million
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dollar deal. He's gonna get four years and a hundred
and forty million. Why. I mean, that's as as much
as sought after as he is. Because he will be
sought after because he's the first guy available. He's at
the top of the list of quarterbacks because there's not
that many really good ones. He is gonna get paid.
But um, think about this, for a second. Okay, uh,
the Raiders who knew him the best, The Raiders knew
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him the best, said no, we don't want you for
the next three years twenty million dollars, So somebody else
is gonna give him that kind of money. If the
Saints really really wanted him, really wanted him, and we're
gonna give him that kind of money, they would have
traded for him rather than rather than become let him
become a free agent. They would have say, listen, we're
gonna go here. If he really wanted to go to
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New Orleans and New Orleans is gonna pay him, they
would have figured out a deal. Both sides would have said, Okay,
it's in our best interest to do it, because you
want to be here, We're gonna pay you. The Raiders
want to get some compensation back. We would figure it out.
Derek Carr knows that, Okay, I'm rolling the dice a
little bit by going a free agency when I'm going
to visit the Saints. But if the Saints really really
wanted them, they would have found a way to make
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it happen. Um, who's gonna go all in on Derek
Carr being a championship quarterback. Just think about that for
a second. And by that, I mean, who's gonna go
three four years, d and fifty million. You're insane If
you do that, you're insane. If I want Derek Carr,
and I'm saying I do, I'm not putting it out
there because I don't want the Jets to call him.
But if if already, if I'm going at yeah, you
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know now I'm starting to get those Derek car Jets
jerseys in my timeline. Now I'm not happy about that. Well,
it had to happen. But if I'm going for Derek
Carr and I think he's something, that's somebody, somebody that
can be an answer. Remember there's a lot of quarterbacks
in the draft this year. There's other guys you can
get of similar talent to Derek Cart's not a it's
not a long step, not a long journey from Derek Carter,
Ryan Tatnhill or Derek Carter, Jimmy Garoppolo. If I'm going
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for Derek Carr, I go, you know what, here's two
years and sixty million. This is why you want it
all guaranteed. I'll guarantee you. I'll guarantee you two years
and sixty million, and because I want to be able
to move on from you if you're not good anymore,
because again, your old team said goodbye. That's what that's
That's how far I would go for Derek Carr. And
I will be surprised if another team says, oh, yeah, no, no,
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you're our guy, You're our franchise guy. Here's six years,
here's four years. I don't see it. I see him.
He's gonna come out and he's gonna he can't take
very long because then Aaron Rodgers becomes available, other guys
become available, and then it's okay, it's not gonna work
with Derek Carr. Hey, we can get Garoppolo for half
the price, or we can go get Ryan Tannehill for
half the price. So he's gonna have to make some
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kind of decision soon. But I don't know. I don't
know any team that's good that it's gonna sit around
and say, yeah, here it is three or four years,
million dollars not happening. Two years, sixty million, that's what
I would do. Yeah, I just don't see any incentive.
As the guy goes into his second decade in the league,
good not great, and You can point to a million
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different things with the Raiders organization. But you and I
have talked to a lot of people around the league,
people that played in the league, scout of the league, etcetera.
At no point does anybody come back and said, you
know what, he just needs to get away from the
Raiders and he's on a whole other level. That's never
been the case. It's the he's efficient, he can get
to the high completion percentage. Didn't this year obviously struggled
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immensely UH and still had talent all around him. And
and that's the thing that if I were a new
suitor in this process, I would have been a bit
nervous about now as far as you know, all the
talk of trading form, he ultimately had the veto why
would he do that any of the Raiders any favors,
Why would he get allow them to get any level
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of compensation for anything. It's like, screw you take your
cap hit, I'm done. I mean, that's really where it
comes down to. UH. And the trade versus release the
cap hit wasn't gonna be that much different. It's just
all a matter of if you got a player or
draft compensation and and why would you go out of
your way to help them out. I wouldn't tell him
to beat it. Uh So, going forward with the draft
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this year, and don't forget about we're already looking ahead
to quarterbacks for next year. You've got a lot of
fresh blood coming into the league. And at the end
of the day, look at the guys that are going
into the marketplace. Do any of them excite you at all?
Jimmy Garoppolo wins, but he's been on two great teams,
So how much of that is? You know, surround yourself
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with talent and make a play where accounts and he's
you know, forever linked with Kyle Shanahan in terms of
that level of success. And are you banking on him
playing more than twelve games in a year. You've already
got to have that backup quarterback ready and ready to
go in week one because you have no idea what's
going to happen and transpire with him. Not that everybody
can't get injured any given Sunday, but we've watched it
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year after year. All Right, here coms Jimmy. He's gonna
lead him. Nah, next man up? So you got that, Tannehill,
I don't know he's a guy that don't know that
I've ever heard anybody really get all on board with
him at all. So for Derek Carr, he's just another guy.
He just happens to be the best of what is
a bad class, outside of whatever you have to give
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up to go get Aaron Rodgers. So in the end,
I'm not breaking the bank for him two in one,
you know, option for a third maybe, But why why
would you put yourself in for him long term and
potentially be hampered with a contract. Not that it's going
to get to the gargantean level of Russell Wilson, but
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to where you're looking around going all right, how do
we fix this? If you sign him for five years, Jason,
I mean by year three you maybe have pulled out
whatever nubs of hair has grown back on your head, buddy,
when he becomes a jail But stop saying that. Don't
put that what is wrong with you? Don't put that
out dont dont don't out there. Okay, Bunny, it comes
down to this. I gave you all your options, the
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only other option out of all of this. Do you
like Bursett better? Do you like Baker? May feel better?
Right now? You're going down to the fifth ring of
Hell to stop stop stop stops. Look, this is this
is the Jets are gonna wind up not signing anybody,
all right, at Zack again? But I mean, you know
what for the money we're gonna have to pay these guys,
screw it, we got Zack. It's not it's not what
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it's It doesn't even need to be what what me?
Or what me? Or you tell tell tell you about
Derek Carr because you're seeing what people think about Derek
Carr the again. The Raiders know him the best, and
they decided to let him go. They didn't they could
ad him three more years, hundred twenty million, didn't want him.
The Saints were the only team to make a trade offer,
the only team and the only team that wanted to
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make a trade offer asked him to what to take
a pay cut. So do you think suddenly, okay, well
now we don't have to worry about trade. Oh now
we have to worry about compensation. Derek, here's fifty more
million dollars not happening. It's gonna be a rude awakening
for him. And I mean anybody that gets caught up
and this, you go more than two years and sixty million.
You're insane. I say this when the Jets. The Jets
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sign up for eight years and three million dollars all guaranteed. Congratulations,
gently say, yeah, I know you want to solidify the position.
I know, you know, you get stability there and one
of the big things. And everybody doing all the breakdowns
of high dollar quarterbacks and doesn't work, does it not.
Maybe you just overpaid the your quarterback. Maybe you chose
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the wrong guy to give a giant bag to because
he was the next man up. Right, Patrick Mahomes accounted
for sevent of the chief salary cap, all the bit players,
all the add ons. They did the job, they fell
in line, and oh yeah, continuity in your GM coaching staff.
Uh kind of helps. Right. We talked about it all
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the time, organizational stability, thinking that Derek Carr is gonna
suddenly come in and vault you into some grand position
or adhering to the traditional next man up in terms
of well, he was getting this, so the next deal
has got to be commensurate with that. The hell with that.
I go to the model of you can incentivize the
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hell out of it if you need to, and just say,
if you need to uh, if if you play really
well and you hit some of those marks back when
you were gonna be an MVP candidate, great, we'll we'll
pay you and you'll you'll get a giant pile of cash. Otherwise,
forget it. You're you're one of the guys and we
need a full compliment around you. Otherwise this ain't gonna work. Look,
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and this isn't that Derek Carr can't be a decent quarterback.
Somewhere there are good but it's decent. He can be
a decent quarterback, but decent is Hey a couple of years.
If it works out, great, we can keep going. If
it doesn't, we need to move on. Well, but that's it.
He's he's apart, right. It's the the old concept and
this is one I steal liberally from our guy Bucky Brooks.
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Are are you a trailer or you the truck right?
The engine driving thing? Is Derek Carr that guy? Or
is he need everything else cruising along with him to
make it work? I would argue he falls into a
large group of guys where it's the latter. Be sure
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we got a Derek car a few minutes ago and
and before you, and it's not my stop to making
it happen. It's enough that now Frostburg is now sending me,
in addition to gifts of Aaron Rodgers as a raider,
I'm now getting Derek Carr as a jet. How many
how many Valentines from Derek Carr as a jet did
you get? That Frostberg created with the Hearts is going
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up because that was the thing, the who the whole day,
right for every league. It was you know, some kind
of mocking tone or you know, snarky comment. And obviously
we we have no choice but to delve down that deep,
dark rabbit hole that is the Jujuice, Smith Schuster against
the World. Now we'll we'll get to that, we'll get there,
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but uh, just to finish on Derek Carr before we
get to Aaron Rodgers. If I'm looking at a fit
for Derek Carr, he has to go to a team
number one that has better weapons than he had in
Las Vegas. Now that's the number one. Need do that.
That's why that's why certain teams like really don't make
sense because like, well, the Saints have a lava and
you know Camara is still you know, okay, but he
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might not be there like herects the whole other thing,
and Michael Thomas, I don't know if we're ever going
to see him again. Yeah, so that's not gonna work.
You have to go to a place where at least
it's it's better or it's very similar. And even you
go to the Jets while Bruese Hall is coming back
from injury and Michael Carter is is decent. You have
some good receivers there, but I don't want him there,
So you have to look where it's the best place.
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And but it's but I know where he will fit
because and this is big, because I know the culture
is gonna be great for him in addition to a
team that has two pretty good running backs, two really
good receivers, a really good tight end, a good offensive
line of defense that's good every year, and his decent
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quarterback play away from being elite again. We talked about
the Jets being a quarterback away, Yeah they are. You
know who else? The quarterback away the Steelers. The Steelers
is the fit for Derek Carr because Kenny Pickett, I'm
sorry the propping up of Picket at the end of
Boy he played really well. No, he didn't. Kenny Pickett stunk.
He stunk all year long. You can't go into this
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year thinking, Okay, Kenny Picket's gonna take that big leap. No,
Kenny Pickett was out manned. He was not someone that
was dynamic. Couldn't put points on the board. He couldn't
do it. He had weapons, he had guys, he couldn't
do it. Derek Carr in that situation will get the
ball to the playmakers. He is a quarterback then stayed
healthy for his rear, He'll complete a high percentage of
passes and in that atmosphere he will feel protected. Mike
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Tomlin stands up for his players all the time. Publicly,
he stands up for him. And it's you see why
they're a team that finishes over five every year. If
they get Derek Carr type quarterback play next year like
they if they had it this year. Uh again, they're
playing deep into the playoffs. They're missing a quarterback so badly.
And that's where Derek Carr is the right fit because
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I know when things get a little tough in Pittsburgh,
he'll still be okay and Mike Tomin will have his back.
Everything will be all right. Things go sideways in New York.
Forget it, man, it's gonna get you out here. I can't,
I can't talk to this media again. Pittsburgh is the
place for Derek Carr. It is a curious place, right
you go into the elite talent. Well they trade off
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Claypool and you saw what a great impact he had
as a bear immediately upon his arrival. I say that
in the sarcasm. Bucket is filling up beneath me here
Valentine's Day. You know, like you're you're at one of
those trough restaurants. It's like I need I need a bucket. Uh.
And you know waffer Thin and all that stuff because
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you've overindulged on what the prefixed menu. Um. Look, I
I like Friar Muth. I think he's a talent. Uh.
Nazy Harris has his moments where like, all right, he
can be dominant. Pickens shown Deante Johnson's a good too,
well he thinks, but but well, but but look, Chase
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Claypool still talking at the end of the year like
he's gonna be a top five receiver in the NFL.
So you've got two guys that are a couple of
dopes and delusional good players, not great players. Uh. And
then you go down the rest of their UM roster
and depth chart and you're like, okay, serviceable guys right
when you talk about boy Kin and and the like
the rest of the guys in that running back by
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committee behind Nase Harris. So I think you've two guys again,
Friar Mooth is gonna be a top ten guy, I think,
and and Pickens, who's shown great athleticism. So with a
quarterback that can deliver a consistent ball, you get there.
I don't know how quick they'll be to want to
turn the page on Picket, but the reality is I
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don't think I don't value that talent. I I value
the organization and the stability that gets you to grind
it out in a defense that's always solid and all
of that. So you're always gonna be in the mix
at five hundred plus. I mean that's look at look
at the job Tomblin did this year. Um, I just
I don't I think you're valuing those receivers higher than
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I do. Well, it's it's about taking that step into
next year. Well, I I just look at it from
a talent to talent perspective. He had more talent on
the Raiders, even with those guys missing song and yeah,
this is a little bit closer, but you're going to
run the football a little bit more. Look, Jalen Warren
was a pretty good compliment Naji Harris last year, and
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when he nearly lost his job, Naji Harris did, he
really stepped it up right. Pickens will take that next
step this year. Deante Johnson is someone who's gonna have
to probably restructure his contract, but he's talented. Friar Muth
is really good and Steelers aren't a team that needs
to go out and score thirty five points a game. Right.
As long as as long as t J. Watt is healthy,
the defense is great. T J. Watt doesn't play, the
defense is awful. Right, So you you you'll win games seventeen.
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It's fine, it's it's good, it's good enough. And he
will be able to be in an atmosphere where he
can thrive. And that's the most important because things are
gonna get tough, things are gonna get difficult. And hey,
we've seen Mike Tomlin. He has he has been I
don't want to say overly fair, but he's been pretty
fair with with with playing time. He doesn't just yank
guys right away. A couple of bad games that are
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oh no, you try to figure it out. Then I'll
give you a little bit of a warning and then
you know, Okay, I gotta I gotta step it up.
I gotta figure this out. Right, Well, we're still trying
to figure out what it what it is in the
larger scheme of the post Ben Roethlisberg or era. Right,
because you bring him Piket, you signed Trabinsky. He's still
under contract. I want to say, he's like eight million dollars,
nine million dollars or something like that. So you still
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got that. But it's not like we're that far removed
from the l Right, we have to play this guy
because he's been here forever process, right, because you tell
me behind closed doors, Mike Timblin didn't want to move
on from Roethlisberger two years before they did. But then
last years, like, wait, if we had had him for
one more year, maybe we got well if he if
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he would have been able to grind out another twelve games,
you might you might have been all right. Because that's
the other thing is you look at the division, right Cleveland,
I have no idea what Deshaun Watson's gonna be. You
got another three hundred plus touches on the legs of
of Nick Chubb, and and if you go look at him,
he had fell off a cliff at about the midpoint
of the season. I think he had one hundred yard
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game and one touchdown in like his final seven weeks
or something like that. We look and at it for
the fantasy podcasting, I watched flex podcast and just saying, hey,
the overall numbers were great, but look what happened that
second half of the season. He was he was a
kind of a jag. As they brought on board the
Deshaun Watson Express, so we'll see what happens there. Baltimore
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is in a state of disarray. Yeah, you bring in
a new OC, but what's that squad look like? Uh?
For horror Ball going forward? How much of pro bowler
Snoop Hundley are We're gonna see Twitter? And how about
a Fresca Mike hats swollen down the Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. So there's Derek Carr.
And now to Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, who you thought,
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Wait a minute, when's the whole darkness retreats starting? He's
in darkness. He's in total darkness now. No, no, no.
He went on the Pat McAfee show, very well lit,
everything looked finely. He was finish out the season. Uh,
and he was very upset that people thought that his
darkness retreat was gonna start today, that I'm not in
my darkness retreat yet? What? Oh yesterday? What? Nope, this
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thing has been planned for about four months and it
was always the same date, always the end of this week.
So anybody would knowledge to the opposite of that, it's
fake news. So let me just reiterate one more time.
There's an inner circle, right, and in my inner circle,
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nobody talks to Ian Rappaport, to Adam Schefter or to
any of those people. Okay, so if you're one of
those people who's talking to those people, it's a great
reminder for you you're not in the inner circle. And
if anybody else is out there saying stuff, or if
they're just making it up, which is also those are
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both likely to stop with the fake news, fake news
and circle of trust he stole Robert de Niro, he did,
I will take you down, Greg, I will take you down.
I mean, I love that he's so mad. Why why
would people say that arkness retreat starting today? That makes
no sense? Why would people I'm very upset people are
not paying attention to be enough. I really can't believe
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that nobody nobody knows because my inner circ talk. Because
you know what, I exercise anybody from my quote inner
circle if they say a word, any of you people.
Now we're gonna try something. He's gonna try to figure
out exactly what's gonna be going through Aaron Rodgers head. Okay,
we're gonna do this right here, what everybody do? Alex
ti shirt in the other room. Turn all the lights off.
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We're going to win our own Jason Smith show with
Mike Harmon Darkness Retreat. I'm gonna turn the rights off here.
Tell Isaac Lowen Cron all the lights go off in
the studio. Every light is off, every light off, no
light is on. All the lights are off. There we go.
I got all the lights off here in the studio.
I can't turn off all your lights, Harmon, turn your
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lights off. Generally a vampire. Anyway, as far as you know,
my clothes are still on the studio by myself. As
far you do you man, I'm not judge. And it's
Valentine's Day, you know it, dude, whatever you want freezing ones,
you have three arms. Now, it's not early enough. It's
too early for that type. It's too early, too early,
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and again and now you're getting me out of my
darkness retreat here. I gotta get into a darkness space
right here, all right now. We need we need some music.
We need we need some We need some darkness retreat music.
Darkness music, darkness retreat music, not just darkness music, not
like you know Metallica do not it hit the lights
to be pretty good. That was kill them all right,
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all very brief darkness music you read? Okay, go ahead,
Isaac lorn Crow. What do you got hello? Darkness smile?
That is that cliche A get it out? That's good.
Does this gets us in the mood because we need
we need to get in the mood. We need to
get in the mood. We need to get in the the mood.
We're getting the mood here. We're in the darkness Retreat room.
This is darkness retreat. We're in dark rooms deep. We
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have our eyes, Isaac. But he just elbowed me in
the gut. Who was that's probably ti shirt, probably coming
in to try to take your food and it's got
gluten in it though, oh does it well? Then he's
gonna wind up with a rash at some point soon.
So we're quiet. We're thinking it's dark. Our eyes are
closed and the lights are off, so it's doubly dark.
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It's like going to sleep at night. I want you
to reach out, reach out with your mentally with your arms,
or you can do it physically with your arms, because
you know you're in the room by yourself, by yourself.
And I want you to tell me the name. The
first name of a team that comes to you, Isaac
Lowan Crown, Harmon, what about you? Okay, all right, let's
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turn Harmon's mike off. He can be darkness. His microphone
can be dark. The microphone is dark. Harmon's microphone is
your fade to black black hole? Why was I hearing
a college basketball game? Right there? Here we go. This
is good. This is good. If I hear a didjurido,
(27:04):
it's all over. This is like. I feel like I'm
getting a massage now, above board massage, like a regular,
you know, good deep tissue massage. Stop stop too early
for that type shirt. I told you got my eyes closed.
He did have a massage in Vegas. Go along to
Shawn Watson. I'm seeing the new Jets logo. Jets. I'm
(27:28):
seeing I'm gonna kick your ass T shirt, get out
of the darkness retreats, just gonna start swinging. When I
walk into the other rooms, I see the mountains. I'm
seeing green stars and sky that t J. I'm seeing
trees of green and roses too. I'm saying blue in
me and he looks glorious. Jasm just kidding. We'll have
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him back by eight. Okay. I think the ayahuasca is
kicking in. It is it is, it is. Maybe we're
all drinking I spiked DearS, Brandon. I'm seeing seeing now
now you got the cocaine Bear in my head. Can't
have that, can't have that. I'm thinking, that's the complete
that's a complete opposite of ayahuasca. It's a complete opposite.
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And now that baseline is in my head. Now all
I can see is the guy who was Clay Davis,
and the wire is in Cocaine Bear, and I really
want to know what happened to his career that he's
in Cocaine Bear. But hey, it's directed by Elizabeth Banks. Yeah,
she's got like a cocaine bear. Yeah, I mean, really,
we need a Cocaine Bear universe, like a Marvel universe.
We've been universes for everything now, but let's stop. This
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is about Aaron Rodgers here in that water. Go I
have to go to the bathroom. But that's okay, no
state tax chap. I'm seeing green I'm seeing the Empire
State Building that filter faithed in green light and not
the Eagles, not the Eagles like they had going on
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for the Super Bowl. It was the green light that
they had for the jets, but they figured out where
you use it. Why not I'm seeing jets. I'm not
seeing writers. I'm not seeing it. I'm trying. I'm trying
to look for silver. I can't see any silver. You're
not seeing the silver line. That was the old stadium,
Isaac Low and Crown Old Stadium. I'm seeing a pirate ship.
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He's not He's not gonna go to Tampa Bay. It's
not going to Tampa Bay. I don't see it. I
see a ram, and they said, I have the feel
of a breeze. That's a draft. I'm not fully sealed
in this dark room. Might be the autumn winds. Why
are you seeing a ram? No, I'm seeing something. Are
you seeing a truck? I mean you're seeing a That's
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what I'm seeing one with like a blue and yellow,
blue and yellow truck ram, blue and yellow ral. Do
you even know where the Rams play? No? The Rams
playing in Kansas City, Kansas City Rights when since today
they moved today? I don't know that save travels. Yes,
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we traded them for the Chiefs. The Chiefs now playing
Los Angeles. Seeing a man doing either a discount double checker,
a heavyweight belt, Zack Wilson doing his best to steal
it from another man who just had it round his waist.
Wait a minute, not just felled Mahomes farm. I'm getting
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a new vision of Zack Wilson, like serious and Order
of the Phoenix when he gets laid and he just
disappears behind the veil. I'm seeing Zach Wilson just disappear
behind a veil and he comes Rodgers, a clean shaven
Aaron Rodgers. Now he's going to be a dirty pie.
But seeing Anakin. But it's something to Mace wind right now.
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But but a bloody face because he shaved in the dark,
because it's a darkness. Retreating done, Baynard Palpancy, No, I
think this is Jets. What's Fronto doing with the ring?
He's keeping it away from Aaron Rodgers. I just want
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to kiss you right now, alright, alright, lights on, lights on,
lights on now, lights on? Hey, hey, there was a
lot more Jets in there than there was any other team. Granted, yes,
I'm a Jets fan of the host and Isaac Lowan cried,
helped me out there a little bit while you try
to take it the other way. But there was a
lot more Jets in there. I'm thinking Jets right now
in that little preview of the Darkness Retreat. Bump bump, bump,
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bump bump. There it is the first preview. It was
all coming up. Jets. Don't do it that again? Did
the Young Wings alone. Be sure to catch live editions
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Jason Smith Show with best friend Mike Harmon. And I'll
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tell you we've got more from the NFL coming up
in a few minutes, because today's Valentine's Day trolling was
just off the hook, well because everybody started flying in
like it was an eventual battle Royal or this week's
elimination chamber. Baby man, come on in if you will.
But tonight in the NBA Marquee Game, and we watched
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the Bucks get taken to overtime by the Celtics who
played without Jayson Tatum and Jaln Brown who were both
traded to the next and they play without they play
without Tatum and Brown tonight, and they still take the
Bucks to overtime where the Bucks wind up winning one
five look forty points from Drew Holiday thirty six and
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thirteen from Janice, and I know that that that you
know there there's there's a lot of good teams they're
sitting in the East. The East is pretty deep. Look,
I know I picked the Cavaliers to get to the
Eastern Conference Finals. The Knicks are playing better. The Heat
maybe one of those teams. At some point you think, Okay,
we're gonna really start taking off. But I gotta be honest, Mike,
I don't see anybody by Celtics box in the Eastern
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Conference Finals. They're both by head and shoulders better than everybody.
I can't see the Sixers doing it. I can't see
any of these other teams saying, hey, we're gonna go
on a run and it's gonna be anybody but Boston
and Milwaukee in the East Finals. I really I don't
see it. It's hard, but I can't see it. No.
It Look, we're at that difficult point in the season,
and I know there's a lot of uh, the usual
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handwringing and anger overload management. We get to the All
Star weekend and it's all right, this guy may not play.
This guy is getting another evaluation. Lebron probably shouldn't play tomorrow. Right,
you're going into a long all Star break. Why would
you not try to steal the extra couple of days. Uh,
go out, just give a quick wave to the crowd,
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attend to your business functions, and get back. But for
the rest of these squads, same thing. You start trying
to figure where you can manage your minutes, where you
can get a push. Tonight it was a fantastic game
and Celtics sat down a chunk of guys. Man, this
guy wasn't just one or two. I mean you're going
through that lineup, going wait, that guy had what and
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he did what? Uh? And the balance that they were
able to put up uh and down the stretch man,
how's it with that huge shot that we eventually gets
us into OT But I mean you had another fifteen
point six and six night from Blake Griffin. Yeah, that's right,
Blake Griffin getting it done. Brogden with twenty six off
the bench. I mean there's just guys and waves. Uh.
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And we always talk about bench and where you're gonna
find those X factors, particularly once you get the playoff series,
and that's what both of these teams have that I
think you've still find the depth and rotation, lacking on
a number of the other would be contenders, not that
they can't get hot, but you can win a game. Right.
This is where we get into our huge differences of
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football versus the NBA and Major League Baseball and and
and and the NHL for that for that matter. Right,
you can you can always do anything once? Can you
do it four times and knock out a team that
top to bottom has enough talent and and can find
that fourth guy to come up with a big effort
and be the truly an X factor. I mean, look
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boast to the way we applied that so liberally during
the Super Bowl. And that's where you had it right
there is thinking about how one of these teams are
gonna beat them four times. No, I it's not gonna
win a game or two. You sneak one early in
the series, you you win a crazy one, and over
time you're gonna beat one of these teams four times.
I just can't. I just can't see it. I feel
like we can just we can fast forward to it
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now because we we know what we're getting. We know
these two teams are gonna be there. Let's just go
right to the Eastern Conference. I mean, let's let's let
the Knicks get some stuff in and win a few
games and Jalen brunsing and m VP to all the
but really, we're gonna go right to those two teams
at the end. It's gonna be the Bucks, it's gonna
be the Celtics. It's only matter who finishes first to
finish the second. That's what it's because you assume that
the nets fallout, which leave your NIX an opportunity to
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rise up. And Miami has got a couple of guys
that can really score, so they're interesting, but not for
four wins. Coming up next we get back into a
big NFL story. Happy Valentine's Day,
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There you go that there's one. I mean, we've got
obviously bumper music filled with love and hate, because if
we don't hear love stinks, then a big part of
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the audience gets frozen out. So I mean, you gotta
bring everybody in in one giant hug. Wherever you are,
however your home lives are, and the trials and tribulations.
Maybe you broke up with a sport team because they
let you down again. Maybe you broke up with Karl
Cheff first. That's the topic for the end of the show. Hey,
if you're not with anybody, you know, if you're not
(02:08):
done together, if you're single, your best sports bread what
what what team should break up with its star player. Oh,
let's let's figure if you can't be with the one
you love, love the one you're with, what team keeps
breaking your heart year after year even though you know
it's a bad relationship. It's a terrible thing for you psychologically.
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And every fall, winter, spring, they're gonna break your heart.
Get on in at how about a fresca had swell
and you know, And the thing is that was like
acceptable sports talk radio for a while, Like it was
like what a great idea of Valentine's Day Live? That
was like acceptable. Oh yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
I mean for a long time. Oh we got that
going up. Uh special Arbor Day. Listen, what are your
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favorite trees? Favorite tree? Favorite tall athletes? Because tall athletes
are kind of like trees, so uh favorite trees eight
seven seven nine on Fox to them, No, that's good.
Now let's just listen to the Evening Show and run
with what they said. And it is a big evolution. Yeah,
instead of that, we're gonna do this instead now about that.
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Derek Carr was coming. We've seen signs from weeks and
months at a time, a lot of back and forth
that got into the media, including camp conversations and long
diet tribes from family members on nash It Old television
(04:01):
in the form of David Carr. The Raiders released Derek
Carr today after he declined to wave his no trade
clause and just before more than forty million dollars of
his contract would have become guaranteed. And now the sides
move on. Remember the big deal here is that Derek
Carr does not have to wait to sign because he's
not a free agent like everybody else's contract. Desterminated, he
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can sign before anybody else and likely he's going to
because this is where you're gonna get most likely the
best deal, right, because Aaron Rodgers is waiting. No decision.
We found out today. We'll get into Aaron Rodgers coming
up in a few minutes. His total darkness retreat is
not till the end of the week. He was very
upset to anybody that thought the darkness retreat was happening today.
He was really upset. That's not why the people think
(04:44):
it's happening today. He got very haughty and very huffy
over that. But car is gonna go first because in
theory he will see the most money. Yeah, but I
gotta thought on that, Mike Harmen. See, here's the thing,
Derek Carr. I'll tell you where his best fit is
in a second. But for all this, Derek Carr is
gonna get a six year, a hundred and something million
(05:06):
dollar deal. He's gonna get four years and a hundred
and forty million. Why. I mean, that's as as much
as sought after as he is. Because he will be
sought after because he's the first guy available. He's at
the top of the list of quarterbacks because there's not
that many really good ones. He is gonna get paid.
But um, think about this, for a second. Okay, uh,
the Raiders who knew him the best, The Raiders knew
(05:29):
him the best, said no, we don't want you for
the next three years twenty million dollars, So somebody else
is gonna give him that kind of money. If the
Saints really really wanted him, really wanted him, and we're
gonna give him that kind of money, they would have
traded for him rather than rather than become let him
become a free agent. They would have say, listen, we're
gonna go here. If he really wanted to go to
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New Orleans and New Orleans is gonna pay him, they
would have figured out a deal. Both sides would have said, Okay,
it's in our best interest to do it, because you
want to be here, We're gonna pay you. The Raiders
want to get some compensation back. We would figure it out.
Derek Carr knows that, Okay, I'm rolling the dice a
little bit by going a free agency when I'm going
to visit the Saints. But if the Saints really really
wanted them, they would have found a way to make
(06:11):
it happen. Um, who's gonna go all in on Derek
Carr being a championship quarterback. Just think about that for
a second. And by that, I mean, who's gonna go
three four years, d and fifty million. You're insane If
you do that, you're insane. If I want Derek Carr,
and I'm saying I do, I'm not putting it out
there because I don't want the Jets to call him.
But if if already, if I'm going at yeah, you
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know now I'm starting to get those Derek car Jets
jerseys in my timeline. Now I'm not happy about that. Well,
it had to happen. But if I'm going for Derek
Carr and I think he's something, that's somebody, somebody that
can be an answer. Remember there's a lot of quarterbacks
in the draft this year. There's other guys you can
get of similar talent to Derek Cart's not a it's
not a long step, not a long journey from Derek Carter,
Ryan Tatnhill or Derek Carter, Jimmy Garoppolo. If I'm going
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for Derek Carr, I go, you know what, here's two
years and sixty million. This is why you want it
all guaranteed. I'll guarantee you. I'll guarantee you two years
and sixty million, and because I want to be able
to move on from you if you're not good anymore,
because again, your old team said goodbye. That's what that's
That's how far I would go for Derek Carr. And
I will be surprised if another team says, oh, yeah, no, no,
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you're our guy, You're our franchise guy. Here's six years,
here's four years. I don't see it. I see him.
He's gonna come out and he's gonna he can't take
very long because then Aaron Rodgers becomes available, other guys
become available, and then it's okay, it's not gonna work
with Derek Carr. Hey, we can get Garoppolo for half
the price, or we can go get Ryan Tannehill for
half the price. So he's gonna have to make some
(07:38):
kind of decision soon. But I don't know. I don't
know any team that's good that it's gonna sit around
and say, yeah, here it is three or four years,
million dollars not happening. Two years, sixty million, that's what
I would do. Yeah, I just don't see any incentive.
As the guy goes into his second decade in the league,
good not great, and You can point to a million
(07:58):
different things with the Raiders organization. But you and I
have talked to a lot of people around the league,
people that played in the league, scout of the league, etcetera.
At no point does anybody come back and said, you
know what, he just needs to get away from the
Raiders and he's on a whole other level. That's never
been the case. It's the he's efficient, he can get
to the high completion percentage. Didn't this year obviously struggled
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immensely UH and still had talent all around him. And
and that's the thing that if I were a new
suitor in this process, I would have been a bit
nervous about now as far as you know, all the
talk of trading form, he ultimately had the veto why
would he do that any of the Raiders any favors,
Why would he get allow them to get any level
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of compensation for anything. It's like, screw you take your
cap hit, I'm done. I mean, that's really where it
comes down to. UH. And the trade versus release the
cap hit wasn't gonna be that much different. It's just
all a matter of if you got a player or
draft compensation and and why would you go out of
your way to help them out. I wouldn't tell him
to beat it. Uh So, going forward with the draft
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this year, and don't forget about we're already looking ahead
to quarterbacks for next year. You've got a lot of
fresh blood coming into the league. And at the end
of the day, look at the guys that are going
into the marketplace. Do any of them excite you at all?
Jimmy Garoppolo wins, but he's been on two great teams,
So how much of that is? You know, surround yourself
(09:26):
with talent and make a play where accounts and he's
you know, forever linked with Kyle Shanahan in terms of
that level of success. And are you banking on him
playing more than twelve games in a year. You've already
got to have that backup quarterback ready and ready to
go in week one because you have no idea what's
going to happen and transpire with him. Not that everybody
can't get injured any given Sunday, but we've watched it
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year after year. All Right, here coms Jimmy. He's gonna
lead him. Nah, next man up? So you got that, Tannehill,
I don't know he's a guy that don't know that
I've ever heard anybody really get all on board with
him at all. So for Derek Carr, he's just another guy.
He just happens to be the best of what is
a bad class, outside of whatever you have to give
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up to go get Aaron Rodgers. So in the end,
I'm not breaking the bank for him two in one,
you know, option for a third maybe, But why why
would you put yourself in for him long term and
potentially be hampered with a contract. Not that it's going
to get to the gargantean level of Russell Wilson, but
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to where you're looking around going all right, how do
we fix this? If you sign him for five years, Jason,
I mean by year three you maybe have pulled out
whatever nubs of hair has grown back on your head, buddy,
when he becomes a jail But stop saying that. Don't
put that what is wrong with you? Don't put that
out dont dont don't out there. Okay, Bunny, it comes
down to this. I gave you all your options, the
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only other option out of all of this. Do you
like Bursett better? Do you like Baker? May feel better?
Right now? You're going down to the fifth ring of
Hell to stop stop stop stops. Look, this is this
is the Jets are gonna wind up not signing anybody,
all right, at Zack again? But I mean, you know
what for the money we're gonna have to pay these guys,
screw it, we got Zack. It's not it's not what
(11:16):
it's It doesn't even need to be what what me?
Or what me? Or you tell tell tell you about
Derek Carr because you're seeing what people think about Derek
Carr the again. The Raiders know him the best, and
they decided to let him go. They didn't they could
ad him three more years, hundred twenty million, didn't want him.
The Saints were the only team to make a trade offer,
the only team and the only team that wanted to
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make a trade offer asked him to what to take
a pay cut. So do you think suddenly, okay, well
now we don't have to worry about trade. Oh now
we have to worry about compensation. Derek, here's fifty more
million dollars not happening. It's gonna be a rude awakening
for him. And I mean anybody that gets caught up
and this, you go more than two years and sixty million.
You're insane. I say this when the Jets. The Jets
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sign up for eight years and three million dollars all guaranteed. Congratulations,
gently say, yeah, I know you want to solidify the position.
I know, you know, you get stability there and one
of the big things. And everybody doing all the breakdowns
of high dollar quarterbacks and doesn't work, does it not.
Maybe you just overpaid the your quarterback. Maybe you chose
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the wrong guy to give a giant bag to because
he was the next man up. Right, Patrick Mahomes accounted
for sevent of the chief salary cap, all the bit players,
all the add ons. They did the job, they fell
in line, and oh yeah, continuity in your GM coaching staff.
Uh kind of helps. Right. We talked about it all
(12:42):
the time, organizational stability, thinking that Derek Carr is gonna
suddenly come in and vault you into some grand position
or adhering to the traditional next man up in terms
of well, he was getting this, so the next deal
has got to be commensurate with that. The hell with that.
I go to the model of you can incentivize the
(13:04):
hell out of it if you need to, and just say,
if you need to uh, if if you play really
well and you hit some of those marks back when
you were gonna be an MVP candidate, great, we'll we'll
pay you and you'll you'll get a giant pile of cash. Otherwise,
forget it. You're you're one of the guys and we
need a full compliment around you. Otherwise this ain't gonna work. Look,
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and this isn't that Derek Carr can't be a decent quarterback.
Somewhere there are good but it's decent. He can be
a decent quarterback, but decent is Hey a couple of years.
If it works out, great, we can keep going. If
it doesn't, we need to move on. Well, but that's it.
He's he's apart, right. It's the the old concept and
this is one I steal liberally from our guy Bucky Brooks.
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Are are you a trailer or you the truck right?
The engine driving thing? Is Derek Carr that guy? Or
is he need everything else cruising along with him to
make it work? I would argue he falls into a
large group of guys where it's the latter. Be sure
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we got a Derek car a few minutes ago and
and before you, and it's not my stop to making
it happen. It's enough that now Frostburg is now sending me,
in addition to gifts of Aaron Rodgers as a raider,
I'm now getting Derek Carr as a jet. How many
how many Valentines from Derek Carr as a jet did
you get? That Frostberg created with the Hearts is going
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up because that was the thing, the who the whole day,
right for every league. It was you know, some kind
of mocking tone or you know, snarky comment. And obviously
we we have no choice but to delve down that deep,
dark rabbit hole that is the Jujuice, Smith Schuster against
the World. Now we'll we'll get to that, we'll get there,
(15:15):
but uh, just to finish on Derek Carr before we
get to Aaron Rodgers. If I'm looking at a fit
for Derek Carr, he has to go to a team
number one that has better weapons than he had in
Las Vegas. Now that's the number one. Need do that.
That's why that's why certain teams like really don't make
sense because like, well, the Saints have a lava and
you know Camara is still you know, okay, but he
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might not be there like herects the whole other thing,
and Michael Thomas, I don't know if we're ever going
to see him again. Yeah, so that's not gonna work.
You have to go to a place where at least
it's it's better or it's very similar. And even you
go to the Jets while Bruese Hall is coming back
from injury and Michael Carter is is decent. You have
some good receivers there, but I don't want him there,
So you have to look where it's the best place.
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And but it's but I know where he will fit
because and this is big, because I know the culture
is gonna be great for him in addition to a
team that has two pretty good running backs, two really
good receivers, a really good tight end, a good offensive
line of defense that's good every year, and his decent
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quarterback play away from being elite again. We talked about
the Jets being a quarterback away, Yeah they are. You
know who else? The quarterback away the Steelers. The Steelers
is the fit for Derek Carr because Kenny Pickett, I'm
sorry the propping up of Picket at the end of
Boy he played really well. No, he didn't. Kenny Pickett stunk.
He stunk all year long. You can't go into this
(16:44):
year thinking, Okay, Kenny Picket's gonna take that big leap. No,
Kenny Pickett was out manned. He was not someone that
was dynamic. Couldn't put points on the board. He couldn't
do it. He had weapons, he had guys, he couldn't
do it. Derek Carr in that situation will get the
ball to the playmakers. He is a quarterback then stayed
healthy for his rear, He'll complete a high percentage of
passes and in that atmosphere he will feel protected. Mike
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Tomlin stands up for his players all the time. Publicly,
he stands up for him. And it's you see why
they're a team that finishes over five every year. If
they get Derek Carr type quarterback play next year like
they if they had it this year. Uh again, they're
playing deep into the playoffs. They're missing a quarterback so badly.
And that's where Derek Carr is the right fit because
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I know when things get a little tough in Pittsburgh,
he'll still be okay and Mike Tomin will have his back.
Everything will be all right. Things go sideways in New York.
Forget it, man, it's gonna get you out here. I can't,
I can't talk to this media again. Pittsburgh is the
place for Derek Carr. It is a curious place, right
you go into the elite talent. Well they trade off
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Claypool and you saw what a great impact he had
as a bear immediately upon his arrival. I say that
in the sarcasm. Bucket is filling up beneath me here
Valentine's Day. You know, like you're you're at one of
those trough restaurants. It's like I need I need a bucket. Uh.
And you know waffer Thin and all that stuff because
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you've overindulged on what the prefixed menu. Um. Look, I
I like Friar Muth. I think he's a talent. Uh.
Nazy Harris has his moments where like, all right, he
can be dominant. Pickens shown Deante Johnson's a good too,
well he thinks, but but well, but but look, Chase
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Claypool still talking at the end of the year like
he's gonna be a top five receiver in the NFL.
So you've got two guys that are a couple of
dopes and delusional good players, not great players. Uh. And
then you go down the rest of their UM roster
and depth chart and you're like, okay, serviceable guys right
when you talk about boy Kin and and the like
the rest of the guys in that running back by
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committee behind Nase Harris. So I think you've two guys again,
Friar Mooth is gonna be a top ten guy, I think,
and and Pickens, who's shown great athleticism. So with a
quarterback that can deliver a consistent ball, you get there.
I don't know how quick they'll be to want to
turn the page on Picket, but the reality is I
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don't think I don't value that talent. I I value
the organization and the stability that gets you to grind
it out in a defense that's always solid and all
of that. So you're always gonna be in the mix
at five hundred plus. I mean that's look at look
at the job Tomblin did this year. Um, I just
I don't I think you're valuing those receivers higher than
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I do. Well, it's it's about taking that step into
next year. Well, I I just look at it from
a talent to talent perspective. He had more talent on
the Raiders, even with those guys missing song and yeah,
this is a little bit closer, but you're going to
run the football a little bit more. Look, Jalen Warren
was a pretty good compliment Naji Harris last year, and
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when he nearly lost his job, Naji Harris did, he
really stepped it up right. Pickens will take that next
step this year. Deante Johnson is someone who's gonna have
to probably restructure his contract, but he's talented. Friar Muth
is really good and Steelers aren't a team that needs
to go out and score thirty five points a game. Right.
As long as as long as t J. Watt is healthy,
the defense is great. T J. Watt doesn't play, the
defense is awful. Right, So you you you'll win games seventeen.
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It's fine, it's it's good, it's good enough. And he
will be able to be in an atmosphere where he
can thrive. And that's the most important because things are
gonna get tough, things are gonna get difficult. And hey,
we've seen Mike Tomlin. He has he has been I
don't want to say overly fair, but he's been pretty
fair with with with playing time. He doesn't just yank
guys right away. A couple of bad games that are
(20:49):
oh no, you try to figure it out. Then I'll
give you a little bit of a warning and then
you know, Okay, I gotta I gotta step it up.
I gotta figure this out. Right, Well, we're still trying
to figure out what it what it is in the
larger scheme of the post Ben Roethlisberg or era. Right,
because you bring him Piket, you signed Trabinsky. He's still
under contract. I want to say, he's like eight million dollars,
nine million dollars or something like that. So you still
(21:10):
got that. But it's not like we're that far removed
from the l Right, we have to play this guy
because he's been here forever process, right, because you tell
me behind closed doors, Mike Timblin didn't want to move
on from Roethlisberger two years before they did. But then
last years, like, wait, if we had had him for
one more year, maybe we got well if he if
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he would have been able to grind out another twelve games,
you might you might have been all right. Because that's
the other thing is you look at the division, right Cleveland,
I have no idea what Deshaun Watson's gonna be. You
got another three hundred plus touches on the legs of
of Nick Chubb, and and if you go look at him,
he had fell off a cliff at about the midpoint
of the season. I think he had one hundred yard
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game and one touchdown in like his final seven weeks
or something like that. We look and at it for
the fantasy podcasting, I watched flex podcast and just saying, hey,
the overall numbers were great, but look what happened that
second half of the season. He was he was a
kind of a jag. As they brought on board the
Deshaun Watson Express, so we'll see what happens there. Baltimore
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is in a state of disarray. Yeah, you bring in
a new OC, but what's that squad look like? Uh?
For horror Ball going forward? How much of pro bowler
Snoop Hundley are We're gonna see Twitter? And how about
a Fresca Mike hats swollen down the Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. So there's Derek Carr.
And now to Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, who you thought,
(22:39):
Wait a minute, when's the whole darkness retreats starting? He's
in darkness. He's in total darkness now. No, no, no.
He went on the Pat McAfee show, very well lit,
everything looked finely. He was finish out the season. Uh,
and he was very upset that people thought that his
darkness retreat was gonna start today, that I'm not in
my darkness retreat yet? What? Oh yesterday? What? Nope, this
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thing has been planned for about four months and it
was always the same date, always the end of this week.
So anybody would knowledge to the opposite of that, it's
fake news. So let me just reiterate one more time.
There's an inner circle, right, and in my inner circle,
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nobody talks to Ian Rappaport, to Adam Schefter or to
any of those people. Okay, so if you're one of
those people who's talking to those people, it's a great
reminder for you you're not in the inner circle. And
if anybody else is out there saying stuff, or if
they're just making it up, which is also those are
(23:46):
both likely to stop with the fake news, fake news
and circle of trust he stole Robert de Niro, he did,
I will take you down, Greg, I will take you down.
I mean, I love that he's so mad. Why why
would people say that arkness retreat starting today? That makes
no sense? Why would people I'm very upset people are
not paying attention to be enough. I really can't believe
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that nobody nobody knows because my inner circ talk. Because
you know what, I exercise anybody from my quote inner
circle if they say a word, any of you people.
Now we're gonna try something. He's gonna try to figure
out exactly what's gonna be going through Aaron Rodgers head. Okay,
we're gonna do this right here, what everybody do? Alex
ti shirt in the other room. Turn all the lights off.
(24:27):
We're going to win our own Jason Smith show with
Mike Harmon Darkness Retreat. I'm gonna turn the rights off here.
Tell Isaac Lowen Cron all the lights go off in
the studio. Every light is off, every light off, no
light is on. All the lights are off. There we go.
I got all the lights off here in the studio.
I can't turn off all your lights, Harmon, turn your
(24:48):
lights off. Generally a vampire. Anyway, as far as you know,
my clothes are still on the studio by myself. As
far you do you man, I'm not judge. And it's
Valentine's Day, you know it, dude, whatever you want freezing ones,
you have three arms. Now, it's not early enough. It's
too early for that type. It's too early, too early,
(25:09):
and again and now you're getting me out of my
darkness retreat here. I gotta get into a darkness space
right here, all right now. We need we need some music.
We need we need some We need some darkness retreat music.
Darkness music, darkness retreat music, not just darkness music, not
like you know Metallica do not it hit the lights
to be pretty good. That was kill them all right,
(25:30):
all very brief darkness music you read? Okay, go ahead,
Isaac lorn Crow. What do you got hello? Darkness smile?
That is that cliche A get it out? That's good.
Does this gets us in the mood because we need
we need to get in the mood. We need to
get in the mood. We need to get in the the mood.
We're getting the mood here. We're in the darkness Retreat room.
This is darkness retreat. We're in dark rooms deep. We
(25:53):
have our eyes, Isaac. But he just elbowed me in
the gut. Who was that's probably ti shirt, probably coming
in to try to take your food and it's got
gluten in it though, oh does it well? Then he's
gonna wind up with a rash at some point soon.
So we're quiet. We're thinking it's dark. Our eyes are
closed and the lights are off, so it's doubly dark.
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It's like going to sleep at night. I want you
to reach out, reach out with your mentally with your arms,
or you can do it physically with your arms, because
you know you're in the room by yourself, by yourself.
And I want you to tell me the name. The
first name of a team that comes to you, Isaac
Lowan Crown, Harmon, what about you? Okay, all right, let's
(26:40):
turn Harmon's mike off. He can be darkness. His microphone
can be dark. The microphone is dark. Harmon's microphone is
your fade to black black hole? Why was I hearing
a college basketball game? Right there? Here we go. This
is good. This is good. If I hear a didjurido,
(27:04):
it's all over. This is like. I feel like I'm
getting a massage now, above board massage, like a regular,
you know, good deep tissue massage. Stop stop too early
for that type shirt. I told you got my eyes closed.
He did have a massage in Vegas. Go along to
Shawn Watson. I'm seeing the new Jets logo. Jets. I'm
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seeing I'm gonna kick your ass T shirt, get out
of the darkness retreats, just gonna start swinging. When I
walk into the other rooms, I see the mountains. I'm
seeing green stars and sky that t J. I'm seeing
trees of green and roses too. I'm saying blue in
me and he looks glorious. Jasm just kidding. We'll have
(27:59):
him back by eight. Okay. I think the ayahuasca is
kicking in. It is it is, it is. Maybe we're
all drinking I spiked DearS, Brandon. I'm seeing seeing now
now you got the cocaine Bear in my head. Can't
have that, can't have that. I'm thinking, that's the complete
that's a complete opposite of ayahuasca. It's a complete opposite.
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And now that baseline is in my head. Now all
I can see is the guy who was Clay Davis,
and the wire is in Cocaine Bear, and I really
want to know what happened to his career that he's
in Cocaine Bear. But hey, it's directed by Elizabeth Banks. Yeah,
she's got like a cocaine bear. Yeah, I mean, really,
we need a Cocaine Bear universe, like a Marvel universe.
We've been universes for everything now, but let's stop. This
(28:42):
is about Aaron Rodgers here in that water. Go I
have to go to the bathroom. But that's okay, no
state tax chap. I'm seeing green I'm seeing the Empire
State Building that filter faithed in green light and not
the Eagles, not the Eagles like they had going on
(29:02):
for the Super Bowl. It was the green light that
they had for the jets, but they figured out where
you use it. Why not I'm seeing jets. I'm not
seeing writers. I'm not seeing it. I'm trying. I'm trying
to look for silver. I can't see any silver. You're
not seeing the silver line. That was the old stadium,
Isaac Low and Crown Old Stadium. I'm seeing a pirate ship.
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He's not He's not gonna go to Tampa Bay. It's
not going to Tampa Bay. I don't see it. I
see a ram, and they said, I have the feel
of a breeze. That's a draft. I'm not fully sealed
in this dark room. Might be the autumn winds. Why
are you seeing a ram? No, I'm seeing something. Are
you seeing a truck? I mean you're seeing a That's
(29:46):
what I'm seeing one with like a blue and yellow,
blue and yellow truck ram, blue and yellow ral. Do
you even know where the Rams play? No? The Rams
playing in Kansas City, Kansas City Rights when since today
they moved today? I don't know that save travels. Yes,
(30:09):
we traded them for the Chiefs. The Chiefs now playing
Los Angeles. Seeing a man doing either a discount double checker,
a heavyweight belt, Zack Wilson doing his best to steal
it from another man who just had it round his waist.
Wait a minute, not just felled Mahomes farm. I'm getting
(30:33):
a new vision of Zack Wilson, like serious and Order
of the Phoenix when he gets laid and he just
disappears behind the veil. I'm seeing Zach Wilson just disappear
behind a veil and he comes Rodgers, a clean shaven
Aaron Rodgers. Now he's going to be a dirty pie.
But seeing Anakin. But it's something to Mace wind right now.
(30:55):
But but a bloody face because he shaved in the dark,
because it's a darkness. Retreating done, Baynard Palpancy, No, I
think this is Jets. What's Fronto doing with the ring?
He's keeping it away from Aaron Rodgers. I just want
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to kiss you right now, alright, alright, lights on, lights on,
lights on now, lights on? Hey, hey, there was a
lot more Jets in there than there was any other team. Granted, yes,
I'm a Jets fan of the host and Isaac Lowan cried,
helped me out there a little bit while you try
to take it the other way. But there was a
lot more Jets in there. I'm thinking Jets right now
in that little preview of the Darkness Retreat. Bump bump, bump,
(31:39):
bump bump. There it is the first preview. It was
all coming up. Jets. Don't do it that again? Did
the Young Wings alone. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at
ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific, Fox Sports Radio The
Jason Smith Show with best friend Mike Harmon. And I'll
(32:03):
tell you we've got more from the NFL coming up
in a few minutes, because today's Valentine's Day trolling was
just off the hook, well because everybody started flying in
like it was an eventual battle Royal or this week's
elimination chamber. Baby man, come on in if you will.
But tonight in the NBA Marquee Game, and we watched
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the Bucks get taken to overtime by the Celtics who
played without Jayson Tatum and Jaln Brown who were both
traded to the next and they play without they play
without Tatum and Brown tonight, and they still take the
Bucks to overtime where the Bucks wind up winning one
five look forty points from Drew Holiday thirty six and
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thirteen from Janice, and I know that that that you
know there there's there's a lot of good teams they're
sitting in the East. The East is pretty deep. Look,
I know I picked the Cavaliers to get to the
Eastern Conference Finals. The Knicks are playing better. The Heat
maybe one of those teams. At some point you think, Okay,
we're gonna really start taking off. But I gotta be honest, Mike,
I don't see anybody by Celtics box in the Eastern
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Conference Finals. They're both by head and shoulders better than everybody.
I can't see the Sixers doing it. I can't see
any of these other teams saying, hey, we're gonna go
on a run and it's gonna be anybody but Boston
and Milwaukee in the East Finals. I really I don't
see it. It's hard, but I can't see it. No.
It Look, we're at that difficult point in the season,
and I know there's a lot of uh, the usual
(33:31):
handwringing and anger overload management. We get to the All
Star weekend and it's all right, this guy may not play.
This guy is getting another evaluation. Lebron probably shouldn't play tomorrow. Right,
you're going into a long all Star break. Why would
you not try to steal the extra couple of days. Uh,
go out, just give a quick wave to the crowd,
(33:54):
attend to your business functions, and get back. But for
the rest of these squads, same thing. You start trying
to figure where you can manage your minutes, where you
can get a push. Tonight it was a fantastic game
and Celtics sat down a chunk of guys. Man, this
guy wasn't just one or two. I mean you're going
through that lineup, going wait, that guy had what and
(34:15):
he did what? Uh? And the balance that they were
able to put up uh and down the stretch man,
how's it with that huge shot that we eventually gets
us into OT But I mean you had another fifteen
point six and six night from Blake Griffin. Yeah, that's right,
Blake Griffin getting it done. Brogden with twenty six off
the bench. I mean there's just guys and waves. Uh.
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And we always talk about bench and where you're gonna
find those X factors, particularly once you get the playoff series,
and that's what both of these teams have that I
think you've still find the depth and rotation, lacking on
a number of the other would be contenders, not that
they can't get hot, but you can win a game. Right.
This is where we get into our huge differences of
(34:59):
football versus the NBA and Major League Baseball and and
and and the NHL for that for that matter. Right,
you can you can always do anything once? Can you
do it four times and knock out a team that
top to bottom has enough talent and and can find
that fourth guy to come up with a big effort
and be the truly an X factor. I mean, look
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boast to the way we applied that so liberally during
the Super Bowl. And that's where you had it right
there is thinking about how one of these teams are
gonna beat them four times. No, I it's not gonna
win a game or two. You sneak one early in
the series, you you win a crazy one, and over
time you're gonna beat one of these teams four times.
I just can't. I just can't see it. I feel
like we can just we can fast forward to it
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now because we we know what we're getting. We know
these two teams are gonna be there. Let's just go
right to the Eastern Conference. I mean, let's let's let
the Knicks get some stuff in and win a few
games and Jalen brunsing and m VP to all the
but really, we're gonna go right to those two teams
at the end. It's gonna be the Bucks, it's gonna
be the Celtics. It's only matter who finishes first to
finish the second. That's what it's because you assume that
the nets fallout, which leave your NIX an opportunity to
(36:01):
rise up. And Miami has got a couple of guys
that can really score, so they're interesting, but not for
four wins. Coming up next we get back into a
big NFL story. Happy Valentine's Day,
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