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January 7, 2025 41 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the Bears requesting an interview with Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy. And they welcome Jason La Canfora to show for all the latest on Black Monday/wild Card Weekend.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome in side Happy Monday, the Jason Smith Show
with my bas.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Friend Mike Harmon.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Well dressed Hobo.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
It is North.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Dakota State and Montana State for the FCS Championship.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Mike Harmon, let's go big Monday. Between that and 'raw
we got all we need one sure, sure, it's all
I need.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
San Diego State, Montana State, It's all we need. The
fighting sue, the fighting Montanians. Oh yeah, come on, end
point game. We've seen a couple of hospital balls thrown
in the final minutes. Yes, been kind of crazy. I
mean it was a twenty one three game.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
At halftime, it was over, you were moving on, you
were gonna go lament the big big bodega. Whether tendonight
has becomes something more serious don't put that out there.
Stop stop. We've got to be realist. The show is now,
the show is today. It was in Steve de Sager's update,
stop stop with that? Why would you do that? Heavy
minutes taking their tour.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, and said let's talk about your craptastic team, saying, hey,
Mike McCarthy, come coach us.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Why don't we do that instead? How about that? Hansta?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
We can't find anybody we like, Hey, let's call another
team for their coach.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Let's go do that. He's not going to be their coach.
The contract expires on the fourteenth. They'll fix the glitch.
He's either signed or he's not. That and they've got
a list of forty eight guys they want to interview.
I think if you've been hired more, the Jets have more.
They're like in an arms race as to who's going
to talk to the lowest common denominator of Hey, did

(01:59):
that guy coach? Once upon a time, there's reports of hey,
teams are gonna talk to David Shaw. I was like,
we're really not talking to David Shaw? Really, and then
the Bear said, no, actually that's a good idea. Let's
put him on the list.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
So you're screaming, you're so fired up about the forty
seven people.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The Bears are really kind of comical. It's a lot
after a let's win a game at Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So uh, let's starait for it with what has been
called and dubbed forty seven Black Monday shut.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
We saw coaches fired yesterday, we saw coaches fired today.
We just watched Ezekiel Elliott head to the Chargers for
the play. How about that look at that you need
two yards? He knows how to fall forward going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're gonna love that one point six yards per carry.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
That's so you can see my eyes? Do we need
to paint some on you get a tatt some work
from Alex's tattoo guy for abs.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You're excited, Frostburger's excited. Zekeil Elliott. Now you get a
chance to watch him at the play run down and
cover punts. That's gonna be fun.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
But if he comes in and runs over Houston on Saturday,
how funny would that be?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And what a day for Isegiel Elliott. Turning back the
clock to twenty fifteen, you got Vin Scully on the
calls out of there, let's take alternate broadcast. And you know,
people think Lad McConkie is related to Phil Oh. No,
nothing could be further from the truth. They just happened
to have the same last name. And who would have
thought about that? Two players with a very distinctive last

(03:31):
name playing in the same sport, the same position, and
they're not related. Now, let's go to SpongeBob, who's got
the latest on this game?

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Wait, that's a Nickelodeon game. Dude, Hell yeah, let's.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Go it's a Nickelodeon game. But yes, look, Black Monday.
We watched Girodmeo get fired by the Patriots a day ago,
Dog Peterson gets fired today by the Jaguars. But maybe
the biggest is we fire out that the Bears have said, hey, Dallas,
we know that maybe you're going forth Mike McCarthy maybe

(04:08):
or not, but we'd like to talk to him about
being our head coach. Sure the Bears want Mike McCarthy.
I just all I'm just thinking of is the is
the phone calls coming in?

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Uh? Bernice, who is it?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's a Chicago Bears. Oh, let's see, what did you
tell him last time? I said, you're in the bathroom.
I'm watching the all twenty two of the game yesterday
against the Commanders, So just tell him that.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
But they're gonna call back again.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Just then tell him I went out to lunch and
then uh, I'm I'm holiday shopping.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But the holidays are over.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Listen, I'm not I'm just not taking the call. Okay, here,
you take take my cell phone. Uh, I know it
doesn't have a button to.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Turn it off. Yes it does. It's on the top everyday. No, no,
it's got to stay on.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So but just uh uh when they call, just let
it go to the voicemail and I'll check it later on.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Just say I'm on set. I'm working on my next
monologue for the next episode of land Man, and there
are no phones allowed on the set. How hard is this?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
My My next head coach is going to be the
Billy Bob guy because I watch him in the Friday
night Lights.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And uh, that was a real story.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I've been successful many businesses. That was a real story
back in the late eighties. I mean, Steven just told
me that he actually was just playing a guy who
was a coach, and and it wasn't actually the coach himself,
but looked pretty.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Good as the coach. He convinced me, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, he's gonna and you know, look, and I can
have conversations with him about the roster, about oil, about
lots of things, about maybe rebooting the Dallas thing again.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
And I could be JR. Uh and and uh and
I don't mean j R. Smith.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean I could be I could be JR. Ewing
And I don't mean Patrick Ewing.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I could be you know, I could be charging charge
of that now because now but that I'm a I'm
a multi threat.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I can get I could be an egot guy. I
could get to I heard the egot is a big thing.
I think we can get him an Emmy nomination for
next year. I've already bought it. It's it's already a
golden Globe's already on the way.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
It was too bad I couldn't get nominated this past time.
But it's already in for now.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know, it's good. They already putted up the trophy.
I already got it.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
But yeah, the talking to Nicky Glazer came over the
house and Jerry, here you go.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I got it. I got pictures and everything else. She
did a good job. I'm a way to eg just
need a guy. Gott he got just he got, I
got a team, and I got a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
You know, first I heard the Glazer was coming over,
I thought it was I thought it was the Fox guy,
and then found out it wasn't that.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's it's actually was actually was a woman. And so
you're gonna try to get trained up for some MMA
or I thought I was gonna.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh, wow, you're the one that has all the all
the scoops all the time. No, no, I'm a comedian.
Oh okay, that's the other one.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's the guy.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh that's the guy whose family owns on the soccer team.
Got it, got it? I'm all good. Jay's pretty funny too.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
But all of that to say, the request from McCarthy,
I've long said it here. It's the you're kicking tires.
I'll really chuckle even harder when they make the request
to talk to Matt Naggy. Oh like your team did
just wait. Yeah, I mean so all of that to say, Look,
McCarthy was a champion once upon a time. You got

(07:00):
three double digit win seasons in a row, and based
on what you've trotted through there the last oh, I
don't know. Since you realize Lovey Smith couldn't win a
game after November first or beat a division opponent, You've
had nothing but empty suits one after another, bad coaches,
bad decision makers, and in theory like if anybody with

(07:22):
worth his waiting, salt ain't coming there until you officially
fire Ryan Poles and have Kevin Warren going back to
being business.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Here's the thing is is that look, while other teams
that have openings are bereft of talent and said, what
are we gonna do? The Bears have a lot of
good talent and I have to deal with the front office.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You're gonna have to deal with that anywhere you go.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I guess some some front you want to go to
shug Gil you want to, But now with the same
district you go, anywhere you go, you have owners that
you got to deal with that. You're like, you're a lunatic. Guess,
but I'm not as big allunatic as that guy.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
But that's the Cats.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
But you're still going to a lunatures matter, It doesn't,
It's just say it's all.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yes. A lot of decisions in this world about worst
the least evil option.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Shad Khan is a lunatic? Is he as big a
lunatic as what he Johnson?

Speaker 4 (08:10):
No?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, but where's what he Johnson? So you're going to
get a lunatic. But if you're we need we need
heads of every owner. So we can have a mountain.
Who's the biggest lunar biggest, We'll have the lunatic power rankings.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Where am I?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Where where am I? It's build together like it's a
little mountain with the yodeling guy. I want to be
the price is right.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I want to be at the top, even though it's
a lunatic than I think lunatic fringe is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Uh, but get a heavy metal song written for you.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
That way, if if the Bears want, Mike McCarthy and
Jerry Jones is hemming and hauling, dude, go. Mike McCarthy
has shown that up until this year. You know his
quarterback gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
They made the playoffs every year since twenty twenty. They
were a twelve win team. He was succeeding in an
environment that is completely opposite of what is conducive to
So he is thriving in Ko and the chaos in
Dallas is immense and still he's able to win twelve games,
able to coexist with Jerry Jones. If Jerry Jones doesn't

(09:12):
want Mike McCarthy, go go. If I'm Mike McCarthy, I'm like, great,
I want to go. Jerry Jones said, today, yeah, we
don't want a guy doesn't want to be here. Tomorrow,
I would say, I want to go to the Bears.
I want to go to the Bears because the Bears
really want me now, not just kicking the top, but
if the Bear say no, we'll hire you if you
come here, I go. If I'm Mike McCarthy, You know what,
McCarthy's a pretty good coach. It's not his fault. Dak

(09:33):
sucks in the playoffs. Because that's really what it comes
down to. It's not all of a sudden no, we're
calling the wrong player. Dak sucks in the playoffs. Show
every Dallas Cowboy problem the last five years has been
because Dak has sucked in the playoffs. Elic how else
you want to cut it up. Dak sucks in the playoffs.
That's what it is. If Dak didn't suck, things would

(09:55):
be different. But Dak sucks in the playoffs. And Mike
McCarthy can say, hey, no, my fault, man, And when
when he comes in and interviews, I can say, hey,
just Ripe, you want to know we're not gonna hold
this playoff stuff against you. Yeah, because it's not my
fault that Dak sucks. So yeah, if they want him, go,
go go. Because other than that, you're just staying in

(10:16):
Dallas where it's another year, and you're in the pressure cooker,
and and and you're at the whim of Jerry Jones
saying Okay, now I'm gonna replace you. But you're not
a position to succeed there. You're in a more position
to succeed with Chicago. You'll get a Mulligan year to
try to remake Caleb Williams, get him on a better level,
Like you go where you wanted, where you're not just

(10:37):
waiting to be fined, because that's it. If you stay
in Dallas, you are waiting to be fined.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Here's the thing. His contract is up in a week,
but you're trying to accelerate the timetable, right so you
can start to talking to him before he's officially a
free agent. But all he's got to do is wait
it out. The question is, do the Bears have someone
else on their list that they're afraid is going to
get scooped up? Right? Is it a battle between McCarthy

(11:01):
versus Vrabel versus Ben Johnson again Ben Johnson. If I'm
going there, I want assurances that I've got more say
in how this stuff gets constructed again, because if Ryan
Poles is there as an empty suit being used as
a puppet by Warren to be the eventual fall guy
when things go wrong next, that's not conducive to success.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
For all the laughing that we've done over Detroit for many,
many years, guess what the last couple of years, they
pushed a lot of buttons correctly, and everything seems to
be moving in the right place for last night. If
Van Ginkel catches the ball and runs the other way,
I would have liked to see that final quarter of action.
But guess what the soul left. As soon as that

(11:44):
ball hit the turf. It was like Ragnar and a
thousand Vikings, and that was it. The soul was taken
from that squad. But for the Lions, they're in in
a run here, and you look at way the way
they've constructed their staff alongside Dan Campbell. What they've done
in the executive branch, it's all work for Ben Johnson.
He got to be looking over checking him. Boy, I

(12:05):
really like Caleb Williams. I like what you have here,
really don't like what you have here, here, here, here, here,
Keenan Allen's slower, DJ Moore. We got to get some
of that diva out of him. So he goes back
to being a little bit of the guy. Maybe he
was at his at his peak. All of that to say,
you at least like some of the component parts where
maybe you don't at the rest of the chess board.

(12:27):
Rabel seems destined for New England. How they did girod Mayo,
not that they fired him, but the fact that dude
found the memo. Hey about being fired? Come on, Rabel's
interviewing with the Jets. All right, love Trump, we'll do
it right after the game. Don't worry about do it
right after that. We already have it written. And he
walks in on it. It's like, dear John, Look, come on,
McCarthy's a good coach. He has proven that he is

(12:48):
a good coach. There's there's not the weekly Hey, what
the hell is going on move here that you can
say with a lot of other questions, you can still
say there's a lot of two minute decision making and
clock man, you can always do that. But it's not like, hey,
Mike Tomlin, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Raheem Morris, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 5 (13:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
There's not a lot of that. There's there's not a
lot to Hey, Jeff Ulbrick, what the hell is that?

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I've started writing the script for our meetings on clock management,
not a coaches retreat up at Taran. Aah.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
It's not Mike McCarthy's fault that Dak Prescott sucks in
the playoffs. That's what it all boils down to. That
you could cut everything up. Jerry Jones thinks he's a
bad owner. He doesn't know, y yea. If Dak Prescott
doesn't throw up on himself in the playoffs, lesha, everything
is different.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
That's gonna be the it's not the first in our
custom trading cards. Yeah, Dak sucks in the players.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Not my fault that sucks in the playoff and the
and the card is Mccarthyo's just pointing at him, is
putting a dakta not my fault.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
You suck in the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
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Coaches who are let go today yesterday? What could be
coming up and coming down the pike? Is Rex Ryan

(14:09):
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
Well, black Monday in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I guess you could say for Mike mccarthur, it's kind
of a gray Monday.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Maybe he's leaving, maybe he's not. I might be happy
to leave. That's why it's kind of a gray area.
How great charcoal, Uh, Dallas, but you know you're gonna
be in the mix.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
We had Black Sunday, which turned into Black Monday, which
could be Black Tuesday and Black Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
There was a good Black Sunday song by Jethro Tool
way back and.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Then was it called black Sunday Sitting on Black Sunday? Dude, dude,
it's not running down Black Sunday's nose, dune.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Why do you hate me something? Hey, Black Sunday? Du
do dude, do Black Sunday like a dead duck? Stab
you with my pen Ian Anderson's gonna stop Samon farming
for a moment and come and kick your ass.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Gerard Mayo is let Go by the Patriots a day ago,
and boy, you know, all the every five minutes, I
feel like we're getting a story from Bob krap.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
I didn't want to do it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I love him, but I really really want to get
Rabel in here.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Doug Peterson let go today by the Jacksonville Jaguars US
now in the hot line to break it down. Nobody
better long time NFL inside of check them out on
Audissey one oh five seven The Fan in Baltimore, Washington Post.
It is Jason locking for it? Jay, have any have
the Bears called you about potentially coming to coach Don

(17:15):
this year?

Speaker 5 (17:17):
No, I'm not real popular over there, but I'm I'm
kind of happy about that.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
You know.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Okay, they can't they can't handle the truth, and they
also don't seem capable of changing their outcome.

Speaker 4 (17:28):
So good luck.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
All right, let me cross Jason locking for it is
a no. All right, great guy right there?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Uh does is does this have any teeth too?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
With this McCarthy potential getting you going to going to Chicago?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Jerry Jones letting him go.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Well, look, there were going to be teams that were
interested in him. I wrote about this to Washington Post
a few weeks ago, like there were you know, look,
and I think the Raiders, if they make a move,
I think they'll interview him as well. So you only need,
you know, two teams to have a market and he's
going to have at least fat and Jerry Jones miscalculated

(18:04):
in his negotiations with his wide receiver right and his quarterback,
and he'll probably do the same with his pass rusher,
and like, you know, this is just what he does
and this is how it goes for them, and he'll

(18:27):
pay more than he has to, and he'll negotiate. In
this case, he won't be negotiating against himself.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
But this was where it was always going, and this
was pretty much where it was always going. He should
have been more proactive about this.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
He should have signed him to, you know, a three
year extension that's really a one year extension and at
least had some sort of you know, had the call
certainty and had some things that he could do it
at his price, rather than now, you know, potentially having
to be to retain a guy services who he knows

(19:02):
he wants and she doesn't want to do a coaching search.
He's like a lot of these others, you know, protected billionaires,
like it's it's a social uh, it's it's basically a
monopoly that they have going that's socialized because of the
way they share the pot. And so if you know

(19:23):
you're going to reap in your I don't even know
how many hundreds of millions in profit every year. Like,
do I even feel like taking the time to interview
these guys? Or do I just run it back like
my buddy Marror right in my division, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Or you know, I cool DoD con and just fire
one guy but not the other? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Would you those.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Do what they want?

Speaker 5 (19:49):
So? Like he does, he's not up for a coaching search,
And I think Mike McCarthy knows it, and I think
other people in the league know it. And you probably
have to pay a little more for it, but who
cares because he's plenty of money anyway.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, So what do you think was the stranger notion
the giants running it back despite all of the public
well being a laughing stock because the hard knocks, or
only firing one half there in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
I don't even know. I mean the level of absurdity
that they expect you to just roll with. I don't know.
Or I mean, how about the idea of Mike Tannebaum
interviewing Rex Ryan potentially for the geography. I mean, these

(20:38):
people are intredulous, like they just don't care. They don't care, like,
don't do what they want to do, and they'll do
it their way, and they won't really listen to reason,
and they surround themselves with yes men and yes women
and total sick of fans who keep riding the you know,
they keep riding the gravy, training themselves too, and the

(20:59):
fans gets rude. And you're nothing in this league without legitimate,
high end leadership at the tippy top. And I don't
know how to parse gross ineptitude anymore.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
I just know most of these owners.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Suck and they will never win a Super Bowl or
get anywhere close to it, even in a league that,
again is completely subsidized to give all them as much
of a chance as possible, because they don't prize like superiority.
They don't. It's not a meritocracy. It's all about parody.
And most of these fools still can't capitalize from it.

(21:34):
But they keep making money and their franchise value escalate,
and they keep holding municipalities hostage for this stadium deal
or that stadium deal, and so at the end of
the day, what do they care? And the effeckless commissioner
works for them, So what's the difference?

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Speaker 3 (21:55):
Now here's where Maybe because I'm just so beaten down
Jay over over the.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Last forty plus of my life, you shouldn't, But I
feel like, why not hire Rex Ryan?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
It does anybody the Jets hire anybody the.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Jets higher is gonna get the job because no anybody
else with choices isn't gonna take that job. So at
least will be fun. I mean, we're not gonna win,
We're not gonna but at least will be fun with
Rex Ryan. Where it's I got to say, it wasn't
that fun with Jeff Ulbrick or Robert Saliba.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
It'll be more fun with Rex Ryan.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Fun.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
You think it'll be fun, Oh we're gonna stinak.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
It will be a tire fire, but it'll be.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Was the end. Was the end of it fun there?
Because I think you know, people tend to get lost
in the moment when you had endless backbiting and you
had people turning all one another and you had a
toxic building with Sunday Leak after Sunday Morning week like
I was there, like you're telling me, I was there
that day. Cromarty started swinging his helmet on people in

(22:50):
Courtland and the owners, sitting there with his back to it, saying,
I think this is the most cohesive team we've ever had,
and I've never seen a Jet team look as good.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
In August and.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
We're like, Bogo Turner, you idiot, turn around. They're literally drawling.
He's making them run. Laughs again, you know, the quarterback
basically lives abobb a bar for three months or for
three weeks during training camp and you think this is
you think you thought that was fun. I don't mean
Tebow running with his shirt.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Off, Jay. If you're gonna tell me, I enjoyed that
training camp.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Man, you're telling you though in a five year run,
I'll get three bad years, but two AFC championships I'll
sign up for that.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
That's not coming down, you know that part of it.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
But that was at the peak. That's when everything like,
that's the moment the football gods shine on you. And
then the more of Rex you got and the more
of that regime you got, you know, it was it
was dude, It was ugly. It was horrible and it's
beginning to what eleven or twelve year period of gross futility.

(24:00):
And now you've got one of the guys possible for
interview the other one. That's part of what comp fun?
Who's fun? I guess what your tickets costs more now
than it did when you were going on the championship game,
and your beer colls more now and you don't have
uh he think Rex is rebuilding that defense? Stop come on,

(24:25):
come on.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
But no one's building anything, but no one's building off. Yeah,
they'll be fun.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
We'll be terrible.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yes, we're going to be terrible anyway, So at least
be terrible and be fun.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
No, I mean how about when I mean, how about
have confident people making confidence.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Jay, Who's who's the who's the best fit for the Jets?
That they can look like legitimately get who's the guy coming?
And they can get and say I can turn this
or I can turn this franchise around, I can build
a culture and I can get us going again.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
I mean, well, who who what do you mean by
why why should it's legitimately get me like that?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Because a guy like Mike Rabel, who has choicesn't going
to the Jets, right.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Ben Jones? Why is that because the Jets? Because the
Jets are a dumpster fire? Like I mean, anybody.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
People should abstained from going to Jets games until he
sells the team or until he puts a real team
president in charge and says, you're in charge of staff
and football operations, and I'm going to stay the hell
out of it. I mean, I don't think the answer
is left settle for the most comedically aesthetic, like like
let's lose with a smile and a foot fetish and

(25:35):
that ha ha had jokes on us. I don't know, really,
like I don't I don't think. I don't know, like
I don't know that that's I understand why you're doing it.
It's like a PTSD response, But I don't think that's
what you know you should be aspiring to this guy.
Ourn's a football team in one of the biggest cities
and most powerful cities in the world, and I don't

(25:57):
I mean, the guys in the Taffeta already know how
to cook. I mean, does anybody know how to do
their job? I don't know, but they certainly aren't in
the business of coming close to winning football games with
any consistency, and to think you're gonna throw it back
twelve years and a bunch of people who haven't done
these jobs in forever, who let's be real, nobody else

(26:18):
wanted to do those jobs for them, like people who
actually do win occasionally wanted nothing to do with this.
And the fact you would even entertain it. I wouldn't
be looking for the bright side. I would be you know,
I don't know, man, I would be abstaining, like I said,
I would be laying out like I did with US

(26:39):
Soccer during the whole baarhol.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
You guys do your thing.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
I'm gonna tear you down every chance I get.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I'm gonna try to end.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
This charade as fast as I can in whatever way
I can, just by expressing my opinions on it. And
you're not getting a penny out of me until you
get a real operation going.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I see speaking getting a pen. I want to put
that on t sh. I think that should be the
JETS motivational for you throughout there. Hey, guys, let's go
out through and win with a smile and a foot feinish.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
All right, let's go get out there.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
I don't know, I don't know it sells.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Can I get a cut off every T shirt or something?

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, we're gonna get those T shirts designed by the
end of the week.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Let's lose with a smile and the foot fetish guys,
let's go get up.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
You gotta go go with a smile. All right?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
That did not happen.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Well, it has been for a while, and let's face it,
it's good for content for us because I get to
watch Smith as much as he tries to claim he's
not die a little bit inside with each of his
fandom moments. So all of that is there where it
was pretty Gerrodmeo gets ousted in New England, finds the
memo of his release and all of that one year

(27:49):
bad roster, good quarterback, but now much else to work
with there, Jason, So is it just inevitable that Vrabel
takes that job?

Speaker 5 (27:56):
Oh? If he doesn't, I mean, then what's Robert Christ doing?

Speaker 4 (27:58):
I mean, the only reasonable.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Assumption here is that in a league that you're supposed
to abide and follow certain principles and dogmas, and you're
hiring I'm guessing he plans that. You know, he thinks
he's got a better option. And I mean Varabel's the
closest thing to a sure thing out there. So if

(28:20):
he doesn't get like right, I have to think he
has do back channels or otherwise, and take what I
think out of it. Everybody I talked to about it
today thinks Key Inder is convinced he's got a real
solid in with Ben Johnson or Mike Rabel or he's
going to come out of this with colossal egg on
his face. Either way to continue to treat coaches and

(28:44):
in this league, just look at the history. It is
far more often than not coaches of color, African American
coaches who get discarded after one year, no matter how
untenable hand they were.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
They were handed.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
And we can look at what the Texans did right
back to back years with Lovey Smith and David Kelly,
and we can look at some of the situations Todd
Bowles was putting in his career.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Steve Wilks, I.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Mean, it's just it's it is.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
It is.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Shocking how it's always a certain caliber or a certain
you know, coach guy, first time guy offen African American
who who like that? That's the organizational failure, Like they're
the ones who said you're our guy and identified it
years ago, and apparently they lost all conviction in that
by Thanksgiving because they think they could do better. Like

(29:36):
I mean, that Prince conference today was in name he's
talking about the twenty twenty three season. What the hell
do you want just try to do about it? He
won't be a running a defense then, I mean, don't
just picking all the players. Belchick takes over any side
of the ball he wants to at any given time.
Like Belichick had been playing for years with quarterbacks who
were no good, and he's saying, well, you know, I
really didn't like this season on on the you know,

(29:59):
on the back of twenty twenty three. This guy didn't
even coach the team. Then he's talking about Week one
like Cincinnati, like it should have been the start of
a miracle season. I don't know, man, the whole thing.
None of it made sense. And the only thing that
a lot of people are left to believe is Jonathan
or Robber Kraft think they're getting one of those two contries.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
So, I mean, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
He's on Twitter at Jason lock and four. That is
at Jason lock and four a one oh five seven
the Fan in Baltimore. Washington Post Odyssey. Jay has always buddy,
great stuff. Man appreciated. We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Have a good one, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Thank you Jason.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Big observation there about New England and what's going on.
We'll have more on the Girodmeo situation coming up in
a bit, but right now, time to find.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Out what's trending.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
From a guy who is at the top of the
list to replace every single offensive coordinator who was fired
today in the NFL, it is Steve to say number one.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Actually, I think every single offensive coordinator was fired.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, there are no only o s's in the playoffs
and then the other ones who.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Were out no.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
Actually see after one year, fired offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb.
He had been at the University of Washington the previous
two years. The Bengals fired veteran defensive coordinator lou Anarumo
after six years there. Three other assistants were also let
go by Cincinnati. The Colts tonight fired defensive coordinator Gus
Bradley after three years. Indies head coach and GM are staying.

(31:20):
The Jacksonville Jaguars fired head coach Doug Peterson after three
seasons there. Jacksonville just finished a four and thirteen campaign.
GM Trent Bulky stays the Giants are retaining coach Brian
Dabele and GM Joe Shane after a three to fourteen season.
Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is still in concussion protocol today.
Packers wide receiver Christian Watson suffered at torn ACL yesterday,

(31:44):
so his season is over. Ravens wide receiver Za Flowers
is called day to day with his knee injury from
over the weekend. It's not season ending, says his coach.
The Chargers have signed running back Ezekiel Elliott to their
practice squad. Rams tackle Rob Havenstein is expected to return
next Monday night after a shoulder injury, and Minnesota defensive
back Fabian Moreau is due to return from a hip injury.

(32:06):
As for college football, to playoff semi start on Thursday,
the Dodgers traded infielder Gavin Lux to the Reds. Top
ranked golfer Scottie Scheffler withdrew from next week's event in
Southern California after hand surgery. In college basketball, tonight, number
twelve ranked Houston is with nine minutes to go, leading
fifty two to thirty six over TCU and twelve minutes

(32:27):
left on FS one. Ohio State leads at Minnesota forty
five to forty four. The late NBA game just ended
the first quarter, the heat up twenty eight to twenty
three at Sacramento. The Kings without Diaron Fox again tonight
due to a bruise leg at Chicago, Zach Lavine thirty
five points. The Bulls edge San Antonio one fourteen to
one ten. The New York Carl Anthony Towns of the

(32:48):
Knicks was out with knee ten tonightis The Knicks from
three point range shot four of twenty two and lost
to Orlando one o three to ninety four. Victories for
Indiana and Memphis. For Minnesota as well, Wilvespeat the Clippers
one six, Anthony Edwards thirty seven points. Milwaukee and Detroit
with victories, and Phoenix ended a four game losing streak

(33:08):
winning at Philadelphia one oh nine ninety nine. Joel and
Beat at Philly out with a sprain foot in the
NHL Buffalo at home one in a shootout against Washington
for three.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve O.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon Love from the
Tirerack dot Com Studios so as we continue to break
down Black Monday, there should be a horror movie where
like like like it's Black Monday, like okay, great, and coaches,
stead of getting fired, get chased by guys with machetes. No,
I like, and if you can make it away from them,
you keep your job, and if you don't, you get killed.

(33:40):
The loser goes in the fire. Yeah like Black Monday.
Oh I might get fired today, but instead here comes
like we hit them. We hit the movie with the
ground running like a coach waiting for a phone call.
Instead it's a guy with a machete and a hockey
bask and he's.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Trying to run. Oh you made it, Hey, you made it.
You get to keep the job. It begins with the
positivity of say Rex Ryan or one of those guys
sitting outside of perspective free agents home.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
No, no, it's the.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Clock goes to midnight. It's all good times to start it. No, no, no,
because you're not going out to get a free agent
if you're going to be fired. No, it's run out.
But that's where we started. No, then it all goes down.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's worth the beginning of scream where uh call Yes,
I'm watching part of you five.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Oh that's great. Yeah, I sid hi Hi, Doug Peterson,
how are you?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Who says I shot you fire me? Ah, this isn't
shod and that and and that's the and that's the
movie right there.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Trying to get a run for Jamie Kennedy or somebody,
I mean, the loser goes and the coaches running for
their lives. That will be Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
But after a big coaching move in the NFL today
the quarterback who has to be traded as a result.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Who is it? We'll tell you next Jason a Mic Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
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live from the tire rack dot Com studios. Don't forget
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Search Jason Smith and Mike Harmon wherever you get your
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Speaker 3 (35:17):
Again.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Just search Jason Smith and Mike Harmon wherever you get
your podcast from. You'll see today's show posted right after
we get off the air now since it is blat
and I've been thinking about my horror movie idea for
Black Money. It could work picturing, like you know, guys
like Doug Peterson running oh with its Eagles hat on.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Is he on a scooter or something? Because the running
ain't gonna ain't getting very far, but he and Mike
McCarthy are caught before the one hundred yard dash is over.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
We still may see some more movement. You Antonio Pierce
talked about his future and he doesn't know I'm moving
on like I'm the head coach. But when Doug Peterson
got fired today, that made me double down on something
we have talked about for a while. You are now
starting over in Jacksonville. You tried, you try with the
guy that won a Super Bowl. You tried a guy

(36:01):
that won a Super Bowl with a backup quarterback, with
a guy who you thought was gonna come in and
transform your team, and he got going a little bit.
But clearly the Jaguars were not good enough. And when
you say not good enough, I'm talking about Trevor Lawrence
and the day as a kid. I know, I know,
I don't know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is growing.

(36:23):
I know, congratulation. The guy's got fifty million dollars a year. Okay,
he's a he's a middle of the pack quarterback dollars
a year.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think he's Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
No, but it's time for him and for the Jaguars,
for both of them to start over. Because you've tried, right,
and I know that there's the the the school of
thought that oh well, wait a minute. It took a
while for Geno Smith, it took a while for Sam Darnold. Yeah,
those guys are with the Jets, but they also needed
to go someplace else to get a fresh start. Trevor
Lawrence has tried to make it work now four years

(36:52):
in Jacksonville, and it just hasn't. He's gotten to a
point where he has maxed out. He's a league average quarterback.
If I'm the Jaguar, I understand that it's a weak
crop of college quarterbacks. With every day goes by, the
college crop gets weaker and the free agency crop gets weaker.
When you realize Sam Donald's probably probably gonna come back
to the Vikings instead, it's.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Gonna be more.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Hey, maybe we can move on. Maybe the Vikings can
trade a JJ McCarthy. Maybe the Jaguars need to move
on from Trevor Lawrence, and they do. Do you have
a league average quarterback making fifty million dollars a year.
Trevor Lawrence certainly had the pedigree coming in, and if
he wants to realize his potential, he needs to go
someplace else and try it. You need a fresh start.

(37:34):
You can't keep saying we'll restart here, We'll restart here.
You're gonna need a fresh start somewhere else. He's in
his mid twenties. He still can do it right. We've
seen it with Donald and Gino Smith. But you have
to go someplace. You can't just say no, I want
to do it here, and we're bringing in new things
for whatever reason, that doesn't work. But fresh starts that
can be a different thing. And the Jaguars can say, Okay,

(37:55):
we're starting over with a new head coach. We can
get out from under the money we're paying. We can
pay other guys. We can figure something else out in
free agency quarterback wise, or draft someone in the second
round and bring them along and Trevor Lawrence gets his
chance someplace else. This would be something that would benefit
both sides and it makes too much sense for it
not to happen.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, it's still confused as to how Balkey gets to
keep his job. I mean, yeah, you got Brian Thomas Junior, right,
and I guess you get some credit for Tank Bigsby,
But you got Etn We got a lot of other
wild swings on.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know, you got nine guys you drafted that are starting.
So it's almost half the team that you got, which
is not bad. Like you you basically you want a
little bit more than half your guys being coming from
who you drafted.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Now there's a question that starting versus good.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
No, but I mean, but still will you starting for
you drafted guys to come in? So it hasn't been terrible,
but what he's done hasn't worked. Yeah, well, Lawrence plays
ten games. Parts of ten games gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Thomas Junior one of the best receivers in the game
this year, Mac Jones throwing the foot, pulling all those things. Uh,
it's it's a curiosity again owing to the dearth of
quality in the draft and what the free agency market is.
We talked about it a lot. Zach Wilson creeps up
to like a top three guys because there's nobody else. No, no, no,

(39:19):
but it's but that's.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
But the that he was three, they would stop the
list of two. He is the last guy at number three.
But here was the fun I had with on Sunday morning,
right Fox Football Sunday. If I if I told you
you had to go into the free agency market and
you're looking at the quarterback position, the three names that
come up to the top, and this is why Trevor

(39:40):
Lawrence becomes really attractive are Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and
Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah. No, I mean that it's I mean, that's the
point is that there's nothing Lawrence is, but you don't
have to but you don't want to absorb the fifty millions.
So it's all right. Con balkis how much I keep
calling him Balki, It's no longer Balky, it's Balki. Don't
be ridiculous. Although I always see him as the guy
from True Romance.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Then Cousin, I gotta explain to explain the millennials who
Balky bartalcons is from Perfect Strangers.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
In the eighties. It's everything, lady. Now we do the
dansive Joy Die all right, dance of joy. Whatever team
would acquire Trevor Lawrence, could you resurrect him? Because you
only had one pretty good year, but the going rate
had none, Gino Smith had none. It cost you fifty
million dollars to find out. That's a pretty big swing.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well, at least I'm with a guy that's had a
great pedigree that we think can succeed, rather than well,
we're taking a chance, I'm going behind something. We're trying
to fix something that's not there. Teams are so desirous
of a quarterback in life is absolutely miserable. At shorst,
he's a league average quarterback, so it's not like, hey,
he's Zach the At worst, he's a.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
He's a league now with an injury history. So unless
the Jaguars are picking up a bunch of that cash, no,
chan't work it out.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, it'll happen teams. Teams will say, hey, well maybe
it won't be as big draft wise, but you'll be
able to.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Move on figure out whatever coaching prospects wants to fix him.
It makes too much sense not to happen.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Coming up next, you want to know what else actually
makes more sense than you think it does to happen
in the NFL. Wait, don't we tell you that's next?
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