September 5, 2026 • 39 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon hit you with two HUGE basketball stories right out the gate. And Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Jason Cole joined the Friday night party to chat about all the new changes coming to Hall in Canton. Plus, the guys threw out a couple of game picks for Week 1 in CFB!
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So three big time top 25 teams in action tonight
in college football and none of them having trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This theme should continue on tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oklahoma leads UTEP 51-0. Miami up at halftime 28-6 over Stanford.
And Malachi Toney is showing you he might be the
best receiver in college football. And Jade Maiva saying, hey,
don't forget about me for the Heisman Trophy. I think
the guy's got five incomplete passes all year. 30 to nothing.
USC leads Fresno State. He is 19 out of 20
for 320 yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Should be striking up the band here any second now.
I mean, because there's just no point in continuing to play.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Four incomplete passes last week. One tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He's got more touchdowns than incomplete passes this year. He's
got five touchdowns and four incomplete passes.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
That's what would the kid say? That's pretty good. No,
I mean, look, it's easy separation, quick routes, get.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The ball out.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Don't let potential chaos find its way into your equation
because you're just dominating the squad at this point. This
has just been kids play on the defensive side of
the ball, and that's what we've been talking about a
little bit here in the studio.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Off mic, Jason, is just a lot of the... All right,
you got a couple of the.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Defensive wizards running the show. You might actually have that
half of the squad kind of figured out this time around.
So maybe some of those we were one play away
excuses get to go away and more asses in seats
as the season goes on.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
See, it all works.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Make room at the top of that Heisman ballot.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Again, math sometimes challenges me. I just looked at what
he had last week. Obviously, five touchdown passes and five
incomplete passes.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
That's a lot of King Kong Monday stuff, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
As he has touchdowns. Four incompletes last week by the way.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
So we start looking at the Heisman odds already. I mean,
what do you want to do?
Speaker 7 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Jade, my Jade, my Iva and Malachi, Tony, they're your
top two contenders right now.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm telling you, man, look out.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But two big basketball stories here. We got Jason Cole
coming up in about 15 minutes. And luckily we have
a pro football hall of fame voter to talk to
us about all the big hall of fame changes that
were made earlier.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Huge story.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But, you know, maybe you saw this earlier today, Charles
Barkley making the announcement that, This is going to be
his last year on Inside the NBA. He's going to
retire alongside Ernie Johnson.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I know Barkley has threatened retirement before. I know
he's talked about it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But in the old adage, this time he means it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I really do. Because we talked about this.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
When ESPN got it, that we knew Inside the NBA
was going to continue.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Don't worry. It's not going anywhere. It's going to continue.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
But.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
with a new home, it's just not going to be
the same, right?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We thought like, you know, when, when I went to
Syracuse and I had the best four years there and
I went home after college, I went back to New
York and Staten Island and New York city. And I
was like, yeah, but I couldn't wait to go back
there and be back hanging out with my friends was
not the same. The second time around, right? The first
time for inside the NBA TNT, the show of record
(04:32):
for the NBA for the better part of the past
20 years, right? You knew it was it. But ESPN,
I knew it was going to be different. It wasn't
going to be received the same. They weren't going to
be able to do the same things. It was just
going to be different. And they were just going to
let this go as long as the guys wanted to
continue to do the show. And eventually they would back
off it. Last year, what happened? ESPN buried the show
(04:52):
a lot. We barely saw.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Them at all.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It did not go how they wanted, did not go
how they thought. They thought, hey, we'll keep it together.
We'll keep it going one more year. And after last year,
I think they're all done. So I'm pretty sure that
Inside the NBA will go into the pantheon of great
shows and be retired overall at the end of this year.
Or they'll have some sort of rebirth if Shaq wants
to stay with Kenny Smith. Whoever wants to stay on,
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it's a new show entirely. Draymond Green comes on for
Outside the NBA, whatever it's going to be. But this
is going to be the end of the show as
we know it. And it's not surprising because, yeah, It
wasn't just as simple as keeping the band going. You
knew everything was going to be different, and that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But all of that behind the scenes, do you want
to talk about all these shows that we've had, these
mini documentaries? We talked about how, I don't know, I
talked to a couple of folks that said Hard Knocks
was actually kind of captivating. I'm like, well, nothing cut
through Hard Knocks. to where it was, hey, pay attention
to me. But those shows, you need some juice. I
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want to know what was going on behind the scenes
because you know those guys were ticked. Wait, we're not
on for another couple of weeks?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Wait, and when?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Like, trying to schedule things? Like, you had no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
There was no.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Continuity at all this last year. I mean, you want
to talk about ham-handed, and that's kind of what we've
been talking about here. We've got financial and business malfeasance.
We talk about the changing of the guard in the WNBA.
And now you got this. Like, how do you fumble that?
A property that was so beloved.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
It fell into your laps. All right, here's, set it,
forget it, Ronco-style rotisserie chicken. Old infomercials of a certain age.
You all got that joke. But it's the idea that
you didn't give that, you gave them their money, but
you didn't give it its place of prominence. So what
do you call it now? Because you've got to retire
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the name, too. Even if one or two of those
guys return, right? It's a whole new cast.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean, you knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And maybe ESPN got it just knowing that we're going
to make it go away in a couple of years.
We'll spend money and then whatever substandard NBA product we
put out, because ESPN has fumbled the NBA from the beginning.
Whatever substandard NBA product we put out there, just by default,
is going to be the number one show. Because are
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people going to talk about whatever is on streaming or
whatever other network?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They'll talk about us because we still have the property
and everything else. So maybe they did buy it to
bury it, to say we'll have it for a couple years.
it's going to go away and then we'll put our
own stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Like, I can't say that wasn't a, that wasn't part
of the plan.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah. It's complete retooling. It's like our miss bliss was
in Indiana with Haley Mills and Zach Morris. And then
all of a sudden, all of those kids were, were jettisoned.
And he was in California as the, the fair haired
kid and Slater came in and it all, all went
to hell.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Same thing here.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Now, elsewhere in basketball today, we told you last night, hey,
pretty sure Caitlin Clark, Paige Beckers are not going to
start in Team USA's first game at the FIBA World Cup.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Just the way it had gone all week.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You would think that if they were going to start
Carol Austin, the head coach and USA basketball would.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Have said, hey, this is our starting five. Let's not
let's not get anything twisted.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You'd think they'd want to get away from that controversy,
which told us, hey, they're not going to start. Sure enough,
today against China, neither of them started, and the team
sort of took off when they came in. They started
to play a little bit better towards the end of
the first quarter. There's a lot of nerves, and there's
a lot of early game jitters, getting used to the
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international game. But Caitlin Clark and Paige Beckers come in,
and you see– when both of them are plus 30
for the game and the two starting guards, including Chelsea Gray,
are plus five or plus three. Watching this game, you
could tell that it looked like a Harlem Globetrotters game
when Kaitlyn Clark was running the point. Everybody was involved.
Everybody was touching the basketball. The offense moved. She got
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her shots as well. There was no physicality where everybody
was jumping up and down, trying to knock her to
the ground like... Kaitlyn Clark and Paige Beckers came into
this game and Angel Reese came in and all of
a sudden it was a whole new thing. This was, wow,
this is Team USA and the offense looked better. They
had more life. It was just a better product. And
I can't understand for the life of me. why USA
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Basketball continues to move the goalposts for Clark, for Beckers,
for this new era of young players. Right now you say, OK,
maybe it's not just Kaitlin Clark. Maybe it's Beckers as well.
Maybe it's Angel Reese. Maybe, you know, maybe it's these
players because you look at the starting lineup that Team
USA put out there. It's an okay lineup like four
or five years ago, right? You need more dynamic play
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from your guards, and that's what Kaitlyn Clark is going
to get you. She's the best player on the roster, right?
You want to argue who's the MVP between Kaitlyn Clark,
Olivia Miles, and Asia Wilson? Who's the best basketball player
in the world? We can argue that. Neither of them
are on the Team USA. Kaitlyn Clark is the best
player on the team, and she comes off the bench. Like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (10:00):
On?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What are we doing? That's what I thought. I'm watching
the game going, I knew they weren't going to start.
I knew that was going to happen. Like, what are
we really doing? You can't sit here and tell me
now that there is no bias against Kaitlyn Clark and
against this new generation of players that are coming in.
You can't tell me that because the way Team USA
runs things, a couple of years ago, they didn't want
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to take Kaitlyn Clark because... They were worried about her
fans would be loud if she didn't play many minutes.
Kaitlyn Clark could have just come off the bench for
that team a couple of years ago with Asia Wilson
and Brianna Stewart.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
They would have rolled to the gold medal, right? They
didn't need it. They didn't need it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
She could have come up, would have been great. She's
a rookie. She's coming into the league. No one needed
her to start, but on the team, yeah. But Team USA,
for some reason, they have this idea in their head
that they want to do things a certain way, and
it's a very... bullish way they want to do it.
And it's and it's I don't know what it's rooted in. Well,
we play players with with with tenure. We play the
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players with seniority. Oh, so it doesn't matter. So it
doesn't matter how good you are. But if you're on
the team and you're the oldest player and you've been
in the WNBA, the law, you get to start. Like,
how stupid is that?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
All the physical play of the world championships might be
too tough. There's no physical play harder than what Caitlin
Clark saw in the WNBA. And I watched today and
there was no, no one tried to take her out.
No one tried to play really physical with her. They
lost her in coverage. How many times has Caitlin Clark
opened for a three that they found her on? None
of this, these excuses that were given out for Caitlin
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Clark to not start came to fruition at all. I
hope they have clearer heads and they started the rest
of the way because the offense has been, again, she's
the best player on the team. She was voted player
of the day. a player of the game by Team
USA today. You can't sit here and tell me there's
not a bias against her for whatever reason of jealousy
and they're resentful towards her and this new generation and
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what's brought in. We're going to find a way to
keep them down as long as we can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Today was the proof. You saw this game today. This
was the proof. You're trying to win a gold medal.
Best players need to be out there. I know you
think you're going to roll China. And, you know, even
though they have a player who's 7'3, and watching Angel
Reese try to guard her was kind of fun. But
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you know you're trying to win a gold medal. Don't
you want your players playing together? You don't have a
lot of time to practice. Don't you want to get
them as much time together as possible?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
We still want to play whatever stupid politics we want
to play in order to have this happen. The only
thing I can say is this happened today. I hope
it changes going forward.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Number one, as we've talked about many, many times, never
assume people with a great title and great paychecks know
what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Number two, I don't have to.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Like seniority as a ruling factor in times played, jobs,
whatever else. But in certain parts of the world, that's
the way it works, right? Seniority, longevity, tenure, all of
that kind of stuff. And number three, they still beat
the hell out of this squad. And so the 3-8
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of that is, in the end, is Caitlin Clark okay
with it? Because if she's okay with it, then that's
really all that matters. And we can bang our fists
saying we need her to start because I want her introduced.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
They still bludgeoned them. She was great off the bench.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It worked.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And maybe those starters, even though they didn't line up
a bunch of big stats for you. They tired him out.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh, look how tired you are.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's like opening a jar.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I did all the heavy lifting. You just came over
the top and it was ready to pop.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, the thing is, is that this should be
the tournament where you go from the old guard to
the new guard, right? It's, you know, you still got
another couple of years until the Olympics come and you
With every Olympics, there's a changing of the guard, right?
When the players get too old and you move on
to the next set, right? This FIBA World Cup, this
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should be when they say, okay, it's time to hand
the reins to those players. It's time because we know
that it's going to be Caitlyn and Paige Becker's and
Angel Reese, and Asia Wilson, who's still in her prime. Like,
these are the players that are going to carry us
to winning the gold medal in a couple of years, right?
Brianna Stewart's going to be 34, 35. You want to
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think that she's still playing at a high level?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But you know that these are the players that are
going to take you there. Why would you not start
the segue there? Again, there's factions in women's basketball who
want to keep her down for whatever reason. And we've
seen it a lot in USA basketball, not picking her
last time. You know, I can't believe she at all
wants anything to do with Cheryl Reeve.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
But.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
there's no reason to not use this as this is
our time to go through. We go to the next level,
and you know what? The old guard that's been around,
these are the people we don't break glass in case
of emergency, right? If Caitlin Clark, it's not happened, that's
when Chelsea Gray comes in, right? If it's not working
for Paige Beckers, you go to the bench, that's where
these other players need to come in on.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But this is where the W is. This is where
the players are now.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
In no other sport are the best players kept on
the bench or stopped from playing.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Well, you can freeze them out on the court we
used to see that all the time oh man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean that today is the final bit of proof
you needed to know that yep we they're there we
just we just don't like caitlin clark and and and
the young players and we want to keep them down
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Speaker 1 (15:58):
Coming up next, why the big Pro Football Hall of
Fame changes today.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Jason Cole joins us
next to break it all down.
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Fox sports radio the jason smith show with my best
friend mike harman but where's the blank you too thank
you alex Big story out of the NFL today. The
Pro Football Hall of Fame is now changing how they
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will select people every year.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
F * * * you too.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Sweeping changes to its process that include a significant reduction
in the number of selectors and the elimination of the
separate seniors category, right? Hall of Fame president and CEO
Jim Porter announced the changes on Friday. Going to take
effect as the Hall's class of 2027 changes is considered. So,
what are the changes? Instead of 50 people on the
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board of selectors, it's now going to be 28. There
will no longer be at least one selector in each
of the home markets of the 32 NFL teams, which
is what we have had previously. So now, instead of
50 people selecting the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the
class of each year, it's going to be 28. They'll
also be back in person to make their debates and
make their cases.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Now, luckily... We have.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Someone set to join us right now who can take
us inside this entire process and why this was done
strictly because Bill Belichick is not in the Hall of Fame.
He is longtime NFL insider, friend of the show who
joined us last night, joining us again tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Go Aztecs, dude.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Another half a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
With the latest on this story. He is, at least
I believe he still is, pro football Hall of Fame
voter Jason Cole. J. Cole, let's get that out of
the way. You're still a voter, right?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I haven't been told otherwise. Okay, all right, very good.
Every time I see a Canton number come up, I
just block it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
They're just trying to loan you money.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Rich Samini keeps calling me and I keep sending it
to voicemail.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Samini. I don't care about the jets. Samini going to voicemail. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Jim Porter's number says, yeah, I'm not going to answer
that right now. Um, no, I have not earned one
way or the other. And, uh, I've had a bunch
of people like text me, like, did you make it?
Did you make it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Um, Who votes on that? Yeah, who votes on that then?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Do I vote on that?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
God, no.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow, I was going to vote for you. Now I'm
going to vote for Samini.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Samini. I would say, I assume it's the board. Those
guys will get together. I mean, Joe Horgan used to
pick the selectors, probably, and get would get approval, but
I don't know if that's Joe's task. I don't know
if it's Jim Porter. Number one, I don't know. And
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number two, I kind of don't care. I'm trying not
to worry too much about it because they don't get
paid for it. So like, I'm not, it's, it's an
honor to do it. Um, but I don't, you know,
like I put a lot of work into this, um,
and a lot of effort into it. And I take
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great pride in it, um, because I think it's, you know,
it's important you impact people's lives. Um, I'm getting really
serious here. Um, but it's not mine, I guess is
what I want to say. Like, I don't, the Hall
of Fame doesn't belong to me. I don't think it
started really well when, like when we opened the call,
I said, so are we voting to take Drew Pearson out?
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I don't think that bodes well for me. Um, you know,
cause that can be bad.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I've had it with all that cold guy. I want
to get Cowboys out of the hall of fame. I
just want to say that right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Jerry was listening to everything. Um, I will say this,
they made it incredibly difficult for any, um, senior candidates.
I mean, there are no more senior candidates. So, um,
All those guys are in that, like, those aren't guys.
Those guys aren't getting in. So, like, Drew Pearson should
consider himself very, very fortunate that he got in when
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he did because in this world, Drew Pearson never makes it. And, frankly,
I'm pretty comfortable with that because I've said during meetings,
you know, that I'm really uncomfortable with the senior process.
I'm one of those guys who is not a big
fan of it. I know there are a lot of
people who spend a lot of time talking about the
old guys who don't get in, and I'm like, They
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had their chance, and they didn't. And there's a reason.
I don't know why we're revising history, but that's my
own personal sort of bias about the senior process. But
those guys, they're all grouped in the 15th. And the
funny part about it is everybody keeps saying, oh, this
was about Belichick, and they screwed it up, and they
put him in, and now they're fixing it. It's like, yeah,
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they just created a system where it's even harder to
get Belichick in. Now he has to go straight up
against And, you know, as a voter, I will always
lean towards a player over coaches because those are guys,
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I'd rather vote for guys who are on the field.
Now Belichick is an exception and should be in the
Hall of Fame no matter what. And it's such a
great coach that he sort of transcends that internal feeling
for me. But it's still like, if you're putting like,
Richard Sherman or Ben Roethlisberger or Gronkowski.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Gronkowski is an automatic.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Over Belichick in my view, right? Who's the other one
who's an automatic? Adrian Peterson is an automatic over Belichick
to me. And I know there's some people who may
not agree with me on that. They're entitled to their opinion.
That's fine. And my opinion may not matter because... Again,
Jim Porter might be calling me right now and saying,
get off the line. Get off the line now.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So when are you guys going to find out? How
are they doing this?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I don't know. They didn't explain it. I had to
get off the call because I actually had a doctor's
appointment I had to go to. But I was on
for about half an hour during the call. They went
about it. And you could see, I'll say this, there
are a number of guys who, when they heard that news...
I sort of knew this was coming because I'd heard
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rumors of it before, that they were going to cut
down a lot of voters. I didn't know it was
going to be this drastic, but I'd heard that they
were going to do that. I don't think that it
solves the bias issue. In fact, I think it makes
bias worse because the fewer people you have, the easier
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it is to block somebody. But It does get rid
of the regionalism that we have. When you have a
person who is a great presenter in a particular city...
And I won't mention a lot of names other than
Ira Kaufman is just one of the greatest presenters you
will ever hear in your life. When you have a
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great presenter, it does have an impact on somebody's ability
to get into the Hall of Fame. I mean, there
is some bias to that. There's just a humanness to that.
because of the way that people are able to do
that job. So getting rid of that is probably a
healthy thing. But reducing the total number of people, I
don't agree with that. I think that you should have
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almost more people, not less, in this process. And so, again...
The Belichick thing is funny because I see people say, oh,
they did this for Belichick. He's got to get in.
They made such a huge mistake. And it's like, okay.
So they now created a system that's harder for Belichick.
And they made a system that's harder for Bob Kraft
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to get in, another guy who should have gotten in
last year.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So if I said to you, the number one reason
why this was done, the number one reason why this
was done, because obviously that's what everybody defaults to is
Belichick didn't get in. You heard some embarrassing stories from
the guys that didn't vote for him. Here's why I
didn't vote for him. If I said, OK, number one,
why this big sweeping changes, what would you tell me
is the big number one?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Well, if you really understood it, it would be that
Jim Porter, who grew up in Canton, and this is
a very important thing in his life, really believes that
there's a very high standard for getting into the Hall
of Fame. And I don't disagree with him on that.
I think he's on the right path. He's always believed
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that you should reach a certain number of votes and
affirmation to get into the Hall of Fame. That should
be really, really hard to do. And it should, you know,
that you should be wanting a smaller Hall of Fame,
not a bigger Hall of Fame, right? I think that
that pushed this forward more so than the Belcher one.
So if you know the personalities in this, you know
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how they, how those people think and what drives them.
So I think that that's really much more, you know,
of an issue here. Like, There have been, there was
a move in recent years when Dave Baker was running
it is, okay, we're just going to take these five guys.
We got to get it done really fast because we
got to go off and do the TV show and,
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you know, get the knocks on the, on the doors
show out of the way so that we can make
it really dramatic and all that kind of other stuff. And,
you know, getting 80% be damned. We don't really care
about that. We just can't get five guys in the
hall of fame every year and rub, even if we
have to sort of rubber stamp it. And there was
that feeling toward the end. And when Jim Porter took over,
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I think that he saw some things that bothered him
in the way that this was handled. And I think
he's done his own evaluation of this over four or
five years that goes way, way beyond, okay, last year
there happened to be this vote where Belichick didn't get in.
I think he's willing to live with the Belichick thing
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But what he's not willing to live with is that
the standards are not what he grew up with, essentially.
When he was a kid in Canton, and the funny
story he'll tell you is his mother did all the
travel for the Hall of Fame. and would arrange all
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the travel for the hall of fame and so he
knew who the hall of famers were because she would
have to set up the travel for those guys to
to get to the super bowl on time or whatever
you know whatever it was that had to be done
so i mean he's a he's a hall of fame
junkie in a lot of ways i mean he's a
lifer this is a very important thing to him And I,
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you know, I salute him for that. I salute him
for wanting to do this and make it as pure
a process as you.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Can, knowing full well, like, knowing full well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
This is the funny part. Jim Porter at every meeting
will say, we're doing everything we can to do this right.
And I almost automatically, you know, chirp in right away. Yeah,
good luck with that, Jim.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, like.
I've had my eye on you for a few years.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I'm feeling less than it'll be our fault now.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I'm making myself a target, but it's funny because we'll
laugh about it a little bit. Cause I go, yeah, Jim,
there's no perfect process and you're trying to get a
perfect result.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
And there's no perfect process with human beings.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And that's whether you have the baseball process, which has
hundreds of voters, or you have 50 voters and you
try and knock it down to 25. There's nothing. Computer process,
let's take all the stats. Well, stats don't mean a
whole lot. It's about winning and fame and all these
other things. This is really, really hard to do. And
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that's why, you know, I try my best to do
it the best way I know how to do it
and figure it out myself. But knowing full well, like,
there's no perfect process. So everybody who, like, sits here
and rips me every year, you know, when they say,
how could you do that? How did you guys not
get Belichick in? And, you know, I sit here and go,
it wasn't me. I voted for the guy. But knowing
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full well, the people who didn't vote for Belichick had
some legitimate reasons not to. They weren't necessarily so far
off base. I mean, the man's been accused of cheating
at a high level, and different people take that in
different ways. And I can't do the value proposition on
that one for everybody, but I thought he transcended that.
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But in their eyes, he didn't. So that's the way
it goes. But I respect that Jim Porter's trying really,
really hard to do this right. If he picks me
to be a voter, great. If he doesn't pick me
a voter, it's been really fun. And we can make
jokes about Hall of Very Good. And I can I
can make even more jokes because I'll be less afraid.
(30:25):
Not that I was afraid before, but definitely that at
that point, I can really push for Drew Pearson to
be taken out because I can say, let's let's put
him back up for election and see if he survives
this one.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
In the new world order well i mean one everybody's
going to be in the same room again which has
got to be a good thing for the process but
does the uh change away the way things were with
senior members and everything jason do you think it changes
and skews the 25 that that make it to a
uh more i guess the digital age here and folks
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that are are newer to the game and and fresher
with this Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, you basically said, can we get some of the fossils.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Out of there?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
No, no, no, but I mean the guys that can
make the impassioned case for the senior guys, not that
they're not still doing their job, but does that mean
that maybe there's a push to some folks that have been,
I guess, newer on the scene, going into advanced analytics
and all that stuff?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
I mean, you can... going to be some of that.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
There already is. You guys, some guys are real numbers
crunchers here. And I like to do a little bit
of both numbers do matter. And there's, there's a certain
amount of number crunching that you do, but you also
have to recognize that football as a sport doesn't lend
itself to great numbers crunching because the guy who's playing
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in week one, is not the same guy who's playing
in week 11 based on injuries and things that happen. Okay. And,
and injuries have such a huge impact on careers. And
so how do you measure Terrell Davis versus Frank Gore
and Frank Gore's with third.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
In rushing with right all time.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I, and I have great respect for Frank Gore
as a football player. And I think there's a place
for him in the hall of fame, but he's not
better than Terrell Davis. right? Like there's just no way
you can never tell me that. And, and all the people,
and there are a ton of people who said that
Terrell Davis was a fabrication of the, of the Shanahan system.
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And he didn't play very long. He was done after
four years.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
And this and that.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You don't understand what Terrell Davis was and how great
he was and how much better he was in that
system than everybody else who played in that system, even
though it created a bunch of thousand yard runners. So
it's like, okay, analytics would tell you probably that Frank
Gore is a better player. Terrell Davis is the greatest
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postseason running back in the history of the game. I mean,
he is, he's a monster in the playoffs along with
four years that are like second only to Earl Campbell. Like,
so I appreciate analytics. It doesn't tell the full story
of guys as football players. Right. And it took us
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forever to get Terrell Davidson. I think it's going to
take us forever to get Frank Gore. And I'll tell
you this, Eli Manning, no way he's making it not
in this system. I can, there's no possible way he's
making it in this system. And so all those people
who hate on Eli Manning and I'm not firmly on
the fence on Eli Manning, but this system made it much,
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much harder to get Eli Manning and Mike Shanahan, Mike
Holmgren coaches like that for, I mean, Belichick is one
and he's an outlier. And then Andy Reed in a
couple of years, he's going to be an outlier. and he'll,
he'll make it into the hall of fame, but the
guys who were, you know, like Coughlin and, and Shanahan
and Holmgren guys who are better coaches than a lot
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of guys who are in the hall of fame with
his name. So I won't mention Bill Cowher, but yeah, like,
They're not going to get in. I thought the Bill
Cowher thing would make you guys chuckle.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I did.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I was away from the mic a little bit, so
it didn't resonate, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's on Twitter at JasonCole62.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
I get dead air.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I get dead air on a slam on Bill Cowher.
I get dead air.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
What?
Speaker 9 (34:45):
That was even better than Drew Pearson hates.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It was good. It was very good. I'm telling you,
it was very good.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
And you guys give me dead air?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
I'm getting more sandwiches out of this.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
All right, you get another half a sandwich for that.
We'll give you a half a sandwich.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
No, I'm getting five sandwiches for the dead air.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Five sandwiches?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Five sandwiches. Five sandwiches for dead air.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
All right, J. Cole, appreciate it, buddy.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
See you.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
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Speaker 2 (35:25):
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Speaker 1 (35:27):
USC shutting out Fresno State 32-0, six and a half
to go in the fourth quarter. A little bit better
crowd tonight for USC than last week. A little bit cooler.
But tomorrow, the first full day of college football action,
everybody's playing time now to give you a couple of
big picks as we get into tomorrow's action.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I'm going to go big the game of the day.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Number one from the competitive standpoint, name standpoint, and obviously
all the drama going into this week. The professional players,
players who went to the NFL, that came back to LSU,
was ruled a couple of days ago they could come back.
They have not been put on the roster to play
tomorrow yet by LSU. I have a feeling that's not
going to happen. Who knows what could wind up happening
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as a result if they play these guys.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
How this is going to be adjudicated as the season
goes on. You don't want to find out, oh, yeah,
when you played them, they turned out to be ineligible.
You're forfeiting a win. So I don't think they're going
to play tomorrow, but I don't think picking the game is.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Going to matter.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Lane Kiffin is going to want to roll up a
thousand points on Dabo Sweeney in this game. 1,000 points,
and that might not even be enough. He'll be sending
the offense back out there going, more, more, like he's
Kylo Ren at the end. Fire every weapon at that man.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
More, more.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now, I know Clemson has a lot of new players.
I love LSU in this game. LSU will cover the 10.
But what I love more so than that, I love
the over 50 and a half because they're going to
be a ton of points in this game. So I
like that more than than LSU. But I think LSU
is just going to absolutely roll in this game over Clemson.
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And we could see something like maybe 42, 24, something.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Like that in this game tomorrow like that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That's the game everybody's going to want to watch because
everybody's favorite new villain, Lane Kiffin, is going to be
in front. He should be dressed in a complete Darth
Vader outfit or a complete Voldemort outfit getting ready to
coach tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Running around with either a cape or a robe. I
like it. We talked about robes all week.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Why not add it here one more time since it's
been germane to that whole LSU mess and the college
football pro battle that we've been having. How about Wisconsin
at number four, Notre Dame, CJ Carr trying to– catch
everybody that's already got uh multiple touchdowns on the board
here it's a 20 and a half point spread i'm
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not going to go so crazy as to think wisconsin
wins the game outright uh but they'll keep it within
three touchdowns fickle and company uh will be able to
stymie them and keep them to field goal attempts a
few of those times uh still going to take the
over uh because i think they'll be able to put
up some points as well so over 45 and a
half uh but wisconsin plus the 20 and a half Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You hate Lloyd Carr. Why do you hate Lloyd Carr
so much?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It's all your fault.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You hate Lloyd Carr. Well, I'm not a Michigan man. Yeah,
but Lloyd Carr is a nice guy.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I'm sure he is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I met him once. Twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I met him. I met him.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I met him like twenty five years ago when like
like for a couple of minutes. Really nice guy walking
through the foot when because my wife used to work
for the football office in Michigan. And she worked in
the office with everybody. And she goes, hey, you can
meet Lloyd Carr because we went back to visit. And
she was like, yeah. And he goes, hey.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And he goes. where you been?
Speaker 9 (38:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And, and, and she goes, Oh, I graduated, you know,
a couple of years ago. I said, Oh, that's great.
This is my boyfriend, Jason. Hey, how you doing? You
coming to the game tomorrow? Yeah, that's great. We walked
out and Pam goes, yeah, he didn't remember who I was.
I said, okay, that's why.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Exit out about a fresca exit, swollen dome, Jason Smith,
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to do all night. And there's going to be a
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So three big time top 25 teams in action tonight
in college football and none of them having trouble.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
This theme should continue on tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oklahoma leads UTEP 51-0. Miami up at halftime 28-6 over Stanford.
And Malachi Toney is showing you he might be the
best receiver in college football. And Jade Maiva saying, hey,
don't forget about me for the Heisman Trophy. I think
the guy's got five incomplete passes all year. 30 to nothing.
USC leads Fresno State. He is 19 out of 20
for 320 yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Should be striking up the band here any second now.
I mean, because there's just no point in continuing to play.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Four incomplete passes last week. One tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He's got more touchdowns than incomplete passes this year. He's
got five touchdowns and four incomplete passes.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
That's what would the kid say? That's pretty good. No,
I mean, look, it's easy separation, quick routes, get.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The ball out.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Don't let potential chaos find its way into your equation
because you're just dominating the squad at this point. This
has just been kids play on the defensive side of
the ball, and that's what we've been talking about a
little bit here in the studio.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Off mic, Jason, is just a lot of the... All right,
you got a couple of the.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Defensive wizards running the show. You might actually have that
half of the squad kind of figured out this time around.
So maybe some of those we were one play away
excuses get to go away and more asses in seats
as the season goes on.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
See, it all works.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Make room at the top of that Heisman ballot.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Again, math sometimes challenges me. I just looked at what
he had last week. Obviously, five touchdown passes and five
incomplete passes.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
That's a lot of King Kong Monday stuff, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
As he has touchdowns. Four incompletes last week by the way.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
So we start looking at the Heisman odds already. I mean,
what do you want to do?
Speaker 7 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Jade, my Jade, my Iva and Malachi, Tony, they're your
top two contenders right now.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I'm telling you, man, look out.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
But two big basketball stories here. We got Jason Cole
coming up in about 15 minutes. And luckily we have
a pro football hall of fame voter to talk to
us about all the big hall of fame changes that
were made earlier.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Huge story.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But, you know, maybe you saw this earlier today, Charles
Barkley making the announcement that, This is going to be
his last year on Inside the NBA. He's going to
retire alongside Ernie Johnson.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I know Barkley has threatened retirement before. I know
he's talked about it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But in the old adage, this time he means it.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I really do. Because we talked about this.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
When ESPN got it, that we knew Inside the NBA
was going to continue.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Don't worry. It's not going anywhere. It's going to continue.
Speaker 8 (04:06):
But.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
with a new home, it's just not going to be
the same, right?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
We thought like, you know, when, when I went to
Syracuse and I had the best four years there and
I went home after college, I went back to New
York and Staten Island and New York city. And I
was like, yeah, but I couldn't wait to go back
there and be back hanging out with my friends was
not the same. The second time around, right? The first
time for inside the NBA TNT, the show of record
(04:32):
for the NBA for the better part of the past
20 years, right? You knew it was it. But ESPN,
I knew it was going to be different. It wasn't
going to be received the same. They weren't going to
be able to do the same things. It was just
going to be different. And they were just going to
let this go as long as the guys wanted to
continue to do the show. And eventually they would back
off it. Last year, what happened? ESPN buried the show
(04:52):
a lot. We barely saw.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Them at all.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It did not go how they wanted, did not go
how they thought. They thought, hey, we'll keep it together.
We'll keep it going one more year. And after last year,
I think they're all done. So I'm pretty sure that
Inside the NBA will go into the pantheon of great
shows and be retired overall at the end of this year.
Or they'll have some sort of rebirth if Shaq wants
to stay with Kenny Smith. Whoever wants to stay on,
(05:15):
it's a new show entirely. Draymond Green comes on for
Outside the NBA, whatever it's going to be. But this
is going to be the end of the show as
we know it. And it's not surprising because, yeah, It
wasn't just as simple as keeping the band going. You
knew everything was going to be different, and that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
But all of that behind the scenes, do you want
to talk about all these shows that we've had, these
mini documentaries? We talked about how, I don't know, I
talked to a couple of folks that said Hard Knocks
was actually kind of captivating. I'm like, well, nothing cut
through Hard Knocks. to where it was, hey, pay attention
to me. But those shows, you need some juice. I
(05:51):
want to know what was going on behind the scenes
because you know those guys were ticked. Wait, we're not
on for another couple of weeks?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Wait, and when?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (05:59):
Like, trying to schedule things? Like, you had no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
There was no.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Continuity at all this last year. I mean, you want
to talk about ham-handed, and that's kind of what we've
been talking about here. We've got financial and business malfeasance.
We talk about the changing of the guard in the WNBA.
And now you got this. Like, how do you fumble that?
A property that was so beloved.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (06:23):
It fell into your laps. All right, here's, set it,
forget it, Ronco-style rotisserie chicken. Old infomercials of a certain age.
You all got that joke. But it's the idea that
you didn't give that, you gave them their money, but
you didn't give it its place of prominence. So what
do you call it now? Because you've got to retire
(06:44):
the name, too. Even if one or two of those
guys return, right? It's a whole new cast.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I mean, you knew it was going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And maybe ESPN got it just knowing that we're going
to make it go away in a couple of years.
We'll spend money and then whatever substandard NBA product we
put out, because ESPN has fumbled the NBA from the beginning.
Whatever substandard NBA product we put out there, just by default,
is going to be the number one show. Because are
(07:13):
people going to talk about whatever is on streaming or
whatever other network?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They'll talk about us because we still have the property
and everything else. So maybe they did buy it to
bury it, to say we'll have it for a couple years.
it's going to go away and then we'll put our
own stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Like, I can't say that wasn't a, that wasn't part
of the plan.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah. It's complete retooling. It's like our miss bliss was
in Indiana with Haley Mills and Zach Morris. And then
all of a sudden, all of those kids were, were jettisoned.
And he was in California as the, the fair haired
kid and Slater came in and it all, all went
to hell.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Same thing here.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Now, elsewhere in basketball today, we told you last night, hey,
pretty sure Caitlin Clark, Paige Beckers are not going to
start in Team USA's first game at the FIBA World Cup.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Just the way it had gone all week.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You would think that if they were going to start
Carol Austin, the head coach and USA basketball would.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Have said, hey, this is our starting five. Let's not
let's not get anything twisted.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You'd think they'd want to get away from that controversy,
which told us, hey, they're not going to start. Sure enough,
today against China, neither of them started, and the team
sort of took off when they came in. They started
to play a little bit better towards the end of
the first quarter. There's a lot of nerves, and there's
a lot of early game jitters, getting used to the
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international game. But Caitlin Clark and Paige Beckers come in,
and you see– when both of them are plus 30
for the game and the two starting guards, including Chelsea Gray,
are plus five or plus three. Watching this game, you
could tell that it looked like a Harlem Globetrotters game
when Kaitlyn Clark was running the point. Everybody was involved.
Everybody was touching the basketball. The offense moved. She got
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her shots as well. There was no physicality where everybody
was jumping up and down, trying to knock her to
the ground like... Kaitlyn Clark and Paige Beckers came into
this game and Angel Reese came in and all of
a sudden it was a whole new thing. This was, wow,
this is Team USA and the offense looked better. They
had more life. It was just a better product. And
I can't understand for the life of me. why USA
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Basketball continues to move the goalposts for Clark, for Beckers,
for this new era of young players. Right now you say, OK,
maybe it's not just Kaitlin Clark. Maybe it's Beckers as well.
Maybe it's Angel Reese. Maybe, you know, maybe it's these
players because you look at the starting lineup that Team
USA put out there. It's an okay lineup like four
or five years ago, right? You need more dynamic play
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from your guards, and that's what Kaitlyn Clark is going
to get you. She's the best player on the roster, right?
You want to argue who's the MVP between Kaitlyn Clark,
Olivia Miles, and Asia Wilson? Who's the best basketball player
in the world? We can argue that. Neither of them
are on the Team USA. Kaitlyn Clark is the best
player on the team, and she comes off the bench. Like,
what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (10:00):
On?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What are we doing? That's what I thought. I'm watching
the game going, I knew they weren't going to start.
I knew that was going to happen. Like, what are
we really doing? You can't sit here and tell me
now that there is no bias against Kaitlyn Clark and
against this new generation of players that are coming in.
You can't tell me that because the way Team USA
runs things, a couple of years ago, they didn't want
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to take Kaitlyn Clark because... They were worried about her
fans would be loud if she didn't play many minutes.
Kaitlyn Clark could have just come off the bench for
that team a couple of years ago with Asia Wilson
and Brianna Stewart.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
They would have rolled to the gold medal, right? They
didn't need it. They didn't need it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
She could have come up, would have been great. She's
a rookie. She's coming into the league. No one needed
her to start, but on the team, yeah. But Team USA,
for some reason, they have this idea in their head
that they want to do things a certain way, and
it's a very... bullish way they want to do it.
And it's and it's I don't know what it's rooted in. Well,
we play players with with with tenure. We play the
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players with seniority. Oh, so it doesn't matter. So it
doesn't matter how good you are. But if you're on
the team and you're the oldest player and you've been
in the WNBA, the law, you get to start. Like,
how stupid is that?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
All the physical play of the world championships might be
too tough. There's no physical play harder than what Caitlin
Clark saw in the WNBA. And I watched today and
there was no, no one tried to take her out.
No one tried to play really physical with her. They
lost her in coverage. How many times has Caitlin Clark
opened for a three that they found her on? None
of this, these excuses that were given out for Caitlin
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Clark to not start came to fruition at all. I
hope they have clearer heads and they started the rest
of the way because the offense has been, again, she's
the best player on the team. She was voted player
of the day. a player of the game by Team
USA today. You can't sit here and tell me there's
not a bias against her for whatever reason of jealousy
and they're resentful towards her and this new generation and
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what's brought in. We're going to find a way to
keep them down as long as we can. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Today was the proof. You saw this game today. This
was the proof. You're trying to win a gold medal.
Best players need to be out there. I know you
think you're going to roll China. And, you know, even
though they have a player who's 7'3, and watching Angel
Reese try to guard her was kind of fun. But
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you know you're trying to win a gold medal. Don't
you want your players playing together? You don't have a
lot of time to practice. Don't you want to get
them as much time together as possible?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
We still want to play whatever stupid politics we want
to play in order to have this happen. The only
thing I can say is this happened today. I hope
it changes going forward.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Number one, as we've talked about many, many times, never
assume people with a great title and great paychecks know
what they're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Number two, I don't have to.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Like seniority as a ruling factor in times played, jobs,
whatever else. But in certain parts of the world, that's
the way it works, right? Seniority, longevity, tenure, all of
that kind of stuff. And number three, they still beat
the hell out of this squad. And so the 3-8
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of that is, in the end, is Caitlin Clark okay
with it? Because if she's okay with it, then that's
really all that matters. And we can bang our fists
saying we need her to start because I want her introduced.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
They still bludgeoned them. She was great off the bench.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It worked.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And maybe those starters, even though they didn't line up
a bunch of big stats for you. They tired him out.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Oh, look how tired you are.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
It's like opening a jar.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
I did all the heavy lifting. You just came over
the top and it was ready to pop.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You know, the thing is, is that this should be
the tournament where you go from the old guard to
the new guard, right? It's, you know, you still got
another couple of years until the Olympics come and you
With every Olympics, there's a changing of the guard, right?
When the players get too old and you move on
to the next set, right? This FIBA World Cup, this
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should be when they say, okay, it's time to hand
the reins to those players. It's time because we know
that it's going to be Caitlyn and Paige Becker's and
Angel Reese, and Asia Wilson, who's still in her prime. Like,
these are the players that are going to carry us
to winning the gold medal in a couple of years, right?
Brianna Stewart's going to be 34, 35. You want to
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think that she's still playing at a high level?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But you know that these are the players that are
going to take you there. Why would you not start
the segue there? Again, there's factions in women's basketball who
want to keep her down for whatever reason. And we've
seen it a lot in USA basketball, not picking her
last time. You know, I can't believe she at all
wants anything to do with Cheryl Reeve.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
But.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
there's no reason to not use this as this is
our time to go through. We go to the next level,
and you know what? The old guard that's been around,
these are the people we don't break glass in case
of emergency, right? If Caitlin Clark, it's not happened, that's
when Chelsea Gray comes in, right? If it's not working
for Paige Beckers, you go to the bench, that's where
these other players need to come in on.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But this is where the W is. This is where
the players are now.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
In no other sport are the best players kept on
the bench or stopped from playing.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Well, you can freeze them out on the court we
used to see that all the time oh man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I mean that today is the final bit of proof
you needed to know that yep we they're there we
just we just don't like caitlin clark and and and
the young players and we want to keep them down
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Speaker 2 (16:04):
What does it mean?
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Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Jason Cole joins us
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Speaker 1 (16:58):
Fox sports radio the jason smith show with my best
friend mike harman but where's the blank you too thank
you alex Big story out of the NFL today. The
Pro Football Hall of Fame is now changing how they
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will select people every year.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
F * * * you too.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Sweeping changes to its process that include a significant reduction
in the number of selectors and the elimination of the
separate seniors category, right? Hall of Fame president and CEO
Jim Porter announced the changes on Friday. Going to take
effect as the Hall's class of 2027 changes is considered. So,
what are the changes? Instead of 50 people on the
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board of selectors, it's now going to be 28. There
will no longer be at least one selector in each
of the home markets of the 32 NFL teams, which
is what we have had previously. So now, instead of
50 people selecting the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the
class of each year, it's going to be 28. They'll
also be back in person to make their debates and
make their cases.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Now, luckily... We have.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Someone set to join us right now who can take
us inside this entire process and why this was done
strictly because Bill Belichick is not in the Hall of Fame.
He is longtime NFL insider, friend of the show who
joined us last night, joining us again tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Go Aztecs, dude.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Another half a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
With the latest on this story. He is, at least
I believe he still is, pro football Hall of Fame
voter Jason Cole. J. Cole, let's get that out of
the way. You're still a voter, right?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I haven't been told otherwise. Okay, all right, very good.
Every time I see a Canton number come up, I
just block it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
They're just trying to loan you money.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Rich Samini keeps calling me and I keep sending it
to voicemail.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Samini. I don't care about the jets. Samini going to voicemail. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Jim Porter's number says, yeah, I'm not going to answer
that right now. Um, no, I have not earned one
way or the other. And, uh, I've had a bunch
of people like text me, like, did you make it?
Did you make it? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Um, Who votes on that? Yeah, who votes on that then?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Do I vote on that?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
God, no.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow, I was going to vote for you. Now I'm
going to vote for Samini.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Samini. I would say, I assume it's the board. Those
guys will get together. I mean, Joe Horgan used to
pick the selectors, probably, and get would get approval, but
I don't know if that's Joe's task. I don't know
if it's Jim Porter. Number one, I don't know. And
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number two, I kind of don't care. I'm trying not
to worry too much about it because they don't get
paid for it. So like, I'm not, it's, it's an
honor to do it. Um, but I don't, you know,
like I put a lot of work into this, um,
and a lot of effort into it. And I take
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great pride in it, um, because I think it's, you know,
it's important you impact people's lives. Um, I'm getting really
serious here. Um, but it's not mine, I guess is
what I want to say. Like, I don't, the Hall
of Fame doesn't belong to me. I don't think it
started really well when, like when we opened the call,
I said, so are we voting to take Drew Pearson out?
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I don't think that bodes well for me. Um, you know,
cause that can be bad.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I've had it with all that cold guy. I want
to get Cowboys out of the hall of fame. I
just want to say that right off the bat.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Jerry was listening to everything. Um, I will say this,
they made it incredibly difficult for any, um, senior candidates.
I mean, there are no more senior candidates. So, um,
All those guys are in that, like, those aren't guys.
Those guys aren't getting in. So, like, Drew Pearson should
consider himself very, very fortunate that he got in when
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he did because in this world, Drew Pearson never makes it. And, frankly,
I'm pretty comfortable with that because I've said during meetings,
you know, that I'm really uncomfortable with the senior process.
I'm one of those guys who is not a big
fan of it. I know there are a lot of
people who spend a lot of time talking about the
old guys who don't get in, and I'm like, They
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had their chance, and they didn't. And there's a reason.
I don't know why we're revising history, but that's my
own personal sort of bias about the senior process. But
those guys, they're all grouped in the 15th. And the
funny part about it is everybody keeps saying, oh, this
was about Belichick, and they screwed it up, and they
put him in, and now they're fixing it. It's like, yeah,
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they just created a system where it's even harder to
get Belichick in. Now he has to go straight up
against And, you know, as a voter, I will always
lean towards a player over coaches because those are guys,
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I'd rather vote for guys who are on the field.
Now Belichick is an exception and should be in the
Hall of Fame no matter what. And it's such a
great coach that he sort of transcends that internal feeling
for me. But it's still like, if you're putting like,
Richard Sherman or Ben Roethlisberger or Gronkowski.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Gronkowski is an automatic.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Over Belichick in my view, right? Who's the other one
who's an automatic? Adrian Peterson is an automatic over Belichick
to me. And I know there's some people who may
not agree with me on that. They're entitled to their opinion.
That's fine. And my opinion may not matter because... Again,
Jim Porter might be calling me right now and saying,
get off the line. Get off the line now.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
So when are you guys going to find out? How
are they doing this?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I don't know. They didn't explain it. I had to
get off the call because I actually had a doctor's
appointment I had to go to. But I was on
for about half an hour during the call. They went
about it. And you could see, I'll say this, there
are a number of guys who, when they heard that news...
I sort of knew this was coming because I'd heard
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rumors of it before, that they were going to cut
down a lot of voters. I didn't know it was
going to be this drastic, but I'd heard that they
were going to do that. I don't think that it
solves the bias issue. In fact, I think it makes
bias worse because the fewer people you have, the easier
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it is to block somebody. But It does get rid
of the regionalism that we have. When you have a
person who is a great presenter in a particular city...
And I won't mention a lot of names other than
Ira Kaufman is just one of the greatest presenters you
will ever hear in your life. When you have a
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great presenter, it does have an impact on somebody's ability
to get into the Hall of Fame. I mean, there
is some bias to that. There's just a humanness to that.
because of the way that people are able to do
that job. So getting rid of that is probably a
healthy thing. But reducing the total number of people, I
don't agree with that. I think that you should have
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almost more people, not less, in this process. And so, again...
The Belichick thing is funny because I see people say, oh,
they did this for Belichick. He's got to get in.
They made such a huge mistake. And it's like, okay.
So they now created a system that's harder for Belichick.
And they made a system that's harder for Bob Kraft
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to get in, another guy who should have gotten in
last year.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
So if I said to you, the number one reason
why this was done, the number one reason why this
was done, because obviously that's what everybody defaults to is
Belichick didn't get in. You heard some embarrassing stories from
the guys that didn't vote for him. Here's why I
didn't vote for him. If I said, OK, number one,
why this big sweeping changes, what would you tell me
is the big number one?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Well, if you really understood it, it would be that
Jim Porter, who grew up in Canton, and this is
a very important thing in his life, really believes that
there's a very high standard for getting into the Hall
of Fame. And I don't disagree with him on that.
I think he's on the right path. He's always believed
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that you should reach a certain number of votes and
affirmation to get into the Hall of Fame. That should
be really, really hard to do. And it should, you know,
that you should be wanting a smaller Hall of Fame,
not a bigger Hall of Fame, right? I think that
that pushed this forward more so than the Belcher one.
So if you know the personalities in this, you know
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how they, how those people think and what drives them.
So I think that that's really much more, you know,
of an issue here. Like, There have been, there was
a move in recent years when Dave Baker was running
it is, okay, we're just going to take these five guys.
We got to get it done really fast because we
got to go off and do the TV show and,
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you know, get the knocks on the, on the doors
show out of the way so that we can make
it really dramatic and all that kind of other stuff. And,
you know, getting 80% be damned. We don't really care
about that. We just can't get five guys in the
hall of fame every year and rub, even if we
have to sort of rubber stamp it. And there was
that feeling toward the end. And when Jim Porter took over,
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I think that he saw some things that bothered him
in the way that this was handled. And I think
he's done his own evaluation of this over four or
five years that goes way, way beyond, okay, last year
there happened to be this vote where Belichick didn't get in.
I think he's willing to live with the Belichick thing
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But what he's not willing to live with is that
the standards are not what he grew up with, essentially.
When he was a kid in Canton, and the funny
story he'll tell you is his mother did all the
travel for the Hall of Fame. and would arrange all
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the travel for the hall of fame and so he
knew who the hall of famers were because she would
have to set up the travel for those guys to
to get to the super bowl on time or whatever
you know whatever it was that had to be done
so i mean he's a he's a hall of fame
junkie in a lot of ways i mean he's a
lifer this is a very important thing to him And I,
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you know, I salute him for that. I salute him
for wanting to do this and make it as pure
a process as you.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
Can, knowing full well, like, knowing full well.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
This is the funny part. Jim Porter at every meeting
will say, we're doing everything we can to do this right.
And I almost automatically, you know, chirp in right away. Yeah,
good luck with that, Jim.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, like.
I've had my eye on you for a few years.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I'm feeling less than it'll be our fault now.
Speaker 8 (28:40):
I'm making myself a target, but it's funny because we'll
laugh about it a little bit. Cause I go, yeah, Jim,
there's no perfect process and you're trying to get a
perfect result.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
And there's no perfect process with human beings.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And that's whether you have the baseball process, which has
hundreds of voters, or you have 50 voters and you
try and knock it down to 25. There's nothing. Computer process,
let's take all the stats. Well, stats don't mean a
whole lot. It's about winning and fame and all these
other things. This is really, really hard to do. And
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that's why, you know, I try my best to do
it the best way I know how to do it
and figure it out myself. But knowing full well, like,
there's no perfect process. So everybody who, like, sits here
and rips me every year, you know, when they say,
how could you do that? How did you guys not
get Belichick in? And, you know, I sit here and go,
it wasn't me. I voted for the guy. But knowing
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full well, the people who didn't vote for Belichick had
some legitimate reasons not to. They weren't necessarily so far
off base. I mean, the man's been accused of cheating
at a high level, and different people take that in
different ways. And I can't do the value proposition on
that one for everybody, but I thought he transcended that.
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But in their eyes, he didn't. So that's the way
it goes. But I respect that Jim Porter's trying really,
really hard to do this right. If he picks me
to be a voter, great. If he doesn't pick me
a voter, it's been really fun. And we can make
jokes about Hall of Very Good. And I can I
can make even more jokes because I'll be less afraid.
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Not that I was afraid before, but definitely that at
that point, I can really push for Drew Pearson to
be taken out because I can say, let's let's put
him back up for election and see if he survives
this one.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
In the new world order well i mean one everybody's
going to be in the same room again which has
got to be a good thing for the process but
does the uh change away the way things were with
senior members and everything jason do you think it changes
and skews the 25 that that make it to a
uh more i guess the digital age here and folks
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that are are newer to the game and and fresher
with this Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, you basically said, can we get some of the fossils.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Out of there?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
No, no, no, but I mean the guys that can
make the impassioned case for the senior guys, not that
they're not still doing their job, but does that mean
that maybe there's a push to some folks that have been,
I guess, newer on the scene, going into advanced analytics
and all that stuff?
Speaker 9 (31:30):
I mean, you can... going to be some of that.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
There already is. You guys, some guys are real numbers
crunchers here. And I like to do a little bit
of both numbers do matter. And there's, there's a certain
amount of number crunching that you do, but you also
have to recognize that football as a sport doesn't lend
itself to great numbers crunching because the guy who's playing
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in week one, is not the same guy who's playing
in week 11 based on injuries and things that happen. Okay. And,
and injuries have such a huge impact on careers. And
so how do you measure Terrell Davis versus Frank Gore
and Frank Gore's with third.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
In rushing with right all time.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
And I, and I have great respect for Frank Gore
as a football player. And I think there's a place
for him in the hall of fame, but he's not
better than Terrell Davis. right? Like there's just no way
you can never tell me that. And, and all the people,
and there are a ton of people who said that
Terrell Davis was a fabrication of the, of the Shanahan system.
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And he didn't play very long. He was done after
four years.
Speaker 9 (32:46):
And this and that.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
You don't understand what Terrell Davis was and how great
he was and how much better he was in that
system than everybody else who played in that system, even
though it created a bunch of thousand yard runners. So
it's like, okay, analytics would tell you probably that Frank
Gore is a better player. Terrell Davis is the greatest
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postseason running back in the history of the game. I mean,
he is, he's a monster in the playoffs along with
four years that are like second only to Earl Campbell. Like,
so I appreciate analytics. It doesn't tell the full story
of guys as football players. Right. And it took us
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forever to get Terrell Davidson. I think it's going to
take us forever to get Frank Gore. And I'll tell
you this, Eli Manning, no way he's making it not
in this system. I can, there's no possible way he's
making it in this system. And so all those people
who hate on Eli Manning and I'm not firmly on
the fence on Eli Manning, but this system made it much,
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much harder to get Eli Manning and Mike Shanahan, Mike
Holmgren coaches like that for, I mean, Belichick is one
and he's an outlier. And then Andy Reed in a
couple of years, he's going to be an outlier. and he'll,
he'll make it into the hall of fame, but the
guys who were, you know, like Coughlin and, and Shanahan
and Holmgren guys who are better coaches than a lot
(34:17):
of guys who are in the hall of fame with
his name. So I won't mention Bill Cowher, but yeah, like,
They're not going to get in. I thought the Bill
Cowher thing would make you guys chuckle.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I did.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I was away from the mic a little bit, so
it didn't resonate, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
He's on Twitter at JasonCole62.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
I get dead air.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
I get dead air on a slam on Bill Cowher.
I get dead air.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
What?
Speaker 9 (34:45):
That was even better than Drew Pearson hates.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It was good. It was very good. I'm telling you,
it was very good.
Speaker 9 (34:51):
And you guys give me dead air?
Speaker 6 (34:53):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
I'm getting more sandwiches out of this.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
All right, you get another half a sandwich for that.
We'll give you a half a sandwich.
Speaker 9 (34:59):
No, I'm getting five sandwiches for the dead air.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Five sandwiches?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Five sandwiches. Five sandwiches for dead air.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
All right, J. Cole, appreciate it, buddy.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
See you.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
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Speaker 1 (35:21):
Radio, the Jason Smith Show with my best friend, Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well-dressed hobo.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
USC shutting out Fresno State 32-0, six and a half
to go in the fourth quarter. A little bit better
crowd tonight for USC than last week. A little bit cooler.
But tomorrow, the first full day of college football action,
everybody's playing time now to give you a couple of
big picks as we get into tomorrow's action.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
And I'm going to go big the game of the day.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Number one from the competitive standpoint, name standpoint, and obviously
all the drama going into this week. The professional players,
players who went to the NFL, that came back to LSU,
was ruled a couple of days ago they could come back.
They have not been put on the roster to play
tomorrow yet by LSU. I have a feeling that's not
going to happen. Who knows what could wind up happening
(36:14):
as a result if they play these guys.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
How this is going to be adjudicated as the season
goes on. You don't want to find out, oh, yeah,
when you played them, they turned out to be ineligible.
You're forfeiting a win. So I don't think they're going
to play tomorrow, but I don't think picking the game is.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Going to matter.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Lane Kiffin is going to want to roll up a
thousand points on Dabo Sweeney in this game. 1,000 points,
and that might not even be enough. He'll be sending
the offense back out there going, more, more, like he's
Kylo Ren at the end. Fire every weapon at that man.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
More, more.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now, I know Clemson has a lot of new players.
I love LSU in this game. LSU will cover the 10.
But what I love more so than that, I love
the over 50 and a half because they're going to
be a ton of points in this game. So I
like that more than than LSU. But I think LSU
is just going to absolutely roll in this game over Clemson.
(37:10):
And we could see something like maybe 42, 24, something.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Like that in this game tomorrow like that.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That's the game everybody's going to want to watch because
everybody's favorite new villain, Lane Kiffin, is going to be
in front. He should be dressed in a complete Darth
Vader outfit or a complete Voldemort outfit getting ready to
coach tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Running around with either a cape or a robe. I
like it. We talked about robes all week.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Why not add it here one more time since it's
been germane to that whole LSU mess and the college
football pro battle that we've been having. How about Wisconsin
at number four, Notre Dame, CJ Carr trying to– catch
everybody that's already got uh multiple touchdowns on the board
here it's a 20 and a half point spread i'm
(37:55):
not going to go so crazy as to think wisconsin
wins the game outright uh but they'll keep it within
three touchdowns fickle and company uh will be able to
stymie them and keep them to field goal attempts a
few of those times uh still going to take the
over uh because i think they'll be able to put
up some points as well so over 45 and a
half uh but wisconsin plus the 20 and a half Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You hate Lloyd Carr. Why do you hate Lloyd Carr
so much?
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It's all your fault.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You hate Lloyd Carr. Well, I'm not a Michigan man. Yeah,
but Lloyd Carr is a nice guy.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
I'm sure he is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
I met him once. Twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I met him. I met him.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
I met him like twenty five years ago when like
like for a couple of minutes. Really nice guy walking
through the foot when because my wife used to work
for the football office in Michigan. And she worked in
the office with everybody. And she goes, hey, you can
meet Lloyd Carr because we went back to visit. And
she was like, yeah. And he goes, hey.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And he goes. where you been?
Speaker 9 (38:50):
You know?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And, and, and she goes, Oh, I graduated, you know,
a couple of years ago. I said, Oh, that's great.
This is my boyfriend, Jason. Hey, how you doing? You
coming to the game tomorrow? Yeah, that's great. We walked
out and Pam goes, yeah, he didn't remember who I was.
I said, okay, that's why.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Exit out about a fresca exit, swollen dome, Jason Smith,
Mike Harmon coming up next, a story I've been waiting
to do all night. And there's going to be a
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