January 8, 2026 • 32 mins
Jason Smith: I feel bad for Trae Young. I don't know what's a bigger shock: That Trae Young got traded to the Wizards instead of a more competitive team or that he actually WANTED to go to the Wizards.
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single night. So we got a big football story coming
your way in about twenty minutes. But two, I would say,
one kind of head scratching NBA story, which we'll get
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to in a couple of minutes. But tonight, watching the
big game of the night, the Lakers lose to the Spurs.
The Spurs kind of run away with the game at
the end, and you know, Luca plays well, but really
nobody else in the Lakers offensively played well, and Lebron
sat out because, as he said last night, hey, me
and back to back game don't really mix it anymore.
I'm just old, Like, okay, I'm old. But seeing him
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street close on the sideline tonight, there's certain times where
I see something, I see video in a game, or
it's a picture or it's a video of somebody and
and something just hits me. And seeing Lebron and his
body language sitting on the sideline not playing, I just
I got sad because you realize this is how Lebron
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is going out. Right, this is probably his last year
in the NBA, and you are seeing a guy who
is sitting out games because he's old, someone who has
been shunted aside by the Lakers, and he's gonna He's
someone that you know, the Lakers would move on from
him if they could, They would trade him if they
could at the deadline. But this is how Lebron is
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going out and I get that star players go out
either on their feet waiting to the crowd at the end.
Maybe they don't have what they did in the end,
maybe they don't lead their team to winning a championship,
but at the end of the year, that's the way
it is. It's all about them, or they stay on
way too long with another team and they end sort
of weirdly unceremoniously. But this is what's said about Lebron
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is that this is a guy that stirred to drink
in the NBA for twenty years and still does and
still does. There's nobody more polarizing, more interesting to talk
about than Lebron James because of what he's been able
to do, still at this level at forty one years old.
Thirty points game last night, and he's going out as
a guy who is a side story on the team
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that he led to a championship a few years ago.
That doesn't happen to anybody, but it's happening to Lebron,
and it's and look, there's things that he did and
said that that, you know, push this scenario on us,
But it doesn't mean it's not sad for us to
watch it. This is how Lebron goes out. This is
not how he should go out as a player on
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a team where they'd love to get rid of him,
and he makes a lot of money. He's still good,
but he's not nearly going to get the send off
that he deserves, because if anybody deserves to send off
for what he's what he's given to us the last
twenty years, content wise, entertainment wise, it's Lebron James And
instead it's just, Yeah, you're gonna kind of exist on
the side over here, and you know, we'll probably do
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something for at the end of the year, but you know,
who knows what their relationship is going to be like
right now. It's just it's been awkward from the beginning.
It's awkward that he's on the side of the Lakers
and seeing that this is his last year, it's just
sad that this is how he's going out. Yeah, I
mean some of it. It's the old.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Look in the mirror, right, hold it up and see
what what it is. You go to the Harry Potter route,
you know what do you see when you look inside?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well he holding up the quidditch cup exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And instead here it's the look how old you become,
and you made the choice, right, he opted in the contract,
so I can only feel so bad. Right, there's part
of me like it's always chasing my guy, you know,
being in Chicago and and the whole Jordan mystique in
history and all. So part of it is, eh, you know,
what are you gonna do? I mean, Lebron is having
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his Wizards moment, except it's in a Laker, right, Jordan's
still average twenty. But all of that to say he
chose this. Now, I don't know what the marketplace would
have been if he decided not to opt back in,
And maybe he made those calls and wasn't happy with
his answers on the other end to the line. Because
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we talked about it, right, you brought it up with
Rick Muker, the idea that you know, hey, he can
go back to Cleveland. Well, as we talked about going
into the in the preseason the offseason, like any of
those moves, they got to give up all sorts of
ancillary parts to make a trade happen, or they have
to give up a bunch of playing time to guys
that play both ends of the court, which Lebron does
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not do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The ISO super clips of him not playing defense are
embarrassing at this point, like this is he's got a
lot of the athleticism on the offensive side and occasionally
will show it deviensually, But he's getting towards the Kreem
Abdul Jabbar part of his career where it's like, does
he get past half court? Nah, he's complaining it with
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the official and he's hanging out down here. So he
made the choice to come back to this knowing it
was going to go through Lucae so and he could
have gone somewhere else, gone to the wayside. Look, he
could have decided my preferred destination is insert out pro
city here, like some others would have.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He didn't. He wanted the fifty three million.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He wanted to be in Los Angeles and still be
part of the story and to have people talk about him.
I think to some degree in the way that you
are like you lamented the loss of Pete Carroll's job.
Like the old guys, we remember the greatness, and now
this is what it is. Look how sad and old? Yeah,
because look at it and look at it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yes, you're right, he has brought it on himself, doesn't
make it any less sad that this is how he's
going out, right, because well, for you, we want to
be well freddy boy, I think for anybody watching, like,
does anybody want to see Lebron go out this way?
But I don't mean winning at all. I mean as
someone who, hey, everybody cares about Lebron. Whether you love him,
you hate him. He's polarized. Sometimes you love him, sometimes
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you don't like this guy. He has provided so much entertainment.
He has made the NBA. Every game he is in,
is in the playoffs, is a must see game and
is a daily drama. And this is how he's going out, Like,
it's really sad that this would be the way.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, again, I think a lot of it is now
that he's waxing poetic and we had the slap fight,
the verbal slap fight, back and forth we talk about
you know, shielded comments and and saying wow, I got
a bend to what Luke is but by the same token,
talking about the way the game is played, which is
a slight deal of the way Luca plays because it's
not getting everybody involved. You had JJ Reddick, your favorite
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guy you remember at Jason.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, James. But he was talking about
it what two weeks ago at this point when they
were having their their bad run. Oh and we're gonna
have an intense practice. They're gonna feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And a lot of it was he talked very explicitly
off since Lebron came back, it's not the same flow.
It's not And look, missing Austin Reeves changes a lot,
There's no question about it. Like he descended into a
decent spot decide where he is in the pantheon of
greats in the NBA at this point. But that's a
huge chip off the table for you. Offensively and now
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I'm not gonna say defensively, none of those guys, Oh yeah,
plays defenses, mark smart. But other than that, it's it's
just the idea that you made the choice with everything
that was on the table and knowing that you're coming
towards the end. That he wrote a lot of this
chapter himself as the sad narrative of you're gonna miss me,
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and so you decide how much you buy into it,
like a lot of those stories. That's that's when I
turned the movie off. When it gets too self reflective.
It's like, how about and that's where we're at with
the Lebron thing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I'm old.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I can't play us back to back, especially against that
young guy Wendy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
He's gonna make me look silly.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Now, elsewhere in the NBA, tonight, Trey Young was dealt
Trey Young traded away from the from the Hawks And look,
you probably woke up today like me and said, wait
a minute, the preferred destination for Trey Young is the
Washington Wizards. That's Lebron about that the team it's been
thirty games under five hundred for the last eight years.
This is this is his preferred destination. This is not
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a fake onion. Sorry, no, no, no, this is his
preferred destination. Now, if Jordan Poole were still there, maybe
he had Draymond Green issues that he wanted to settle
by being want to practice cord, but he's not even there.
Just think if that team could have been him and
Pool and Kyle Kuzmann. Porzingis like all those guys, all
the best US in the last few years. And then
it happened, and tonight the Hawks agreed to trade Trey Young,
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four time All Star, to the Wizard for CJ McCollum
and Corey Kispert, Right, I don't know what's more shocking
to me that this was Trey Young's preferred destination a
team that's so far off the NBA map it might
as well be an hawf or the fact that nobody
else wanted him, because this, again, this is a guy
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that's still in his twenties. And when he first came
into the league, I thought, if he comes in and
he's a great scorer, right coming out of Oklahoma, like
he if he turns out to be a great sixth man,
that's a great career, right, because he could really help
a lot of teams because that's kind of what his
game is. And at this point, okay, four time All Star,
there is he could be a bit of a handful
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of coach. Yeah, you heard Rick Buker talk about that
a few minutes ago. But there should have been more
than one contender saying, hey, yeah, we don't need to
give up a lot for Trey Young. Will take them.
This is a guy that can come off the bench
for us. Now, play twenty some odd minutes a night,
play against the second unit, and you just go and
create and score. Right, that's Trey Young, and that's really
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really valuable, and I can't believe that that his reputation
and in the interest level was so low that this
is where he winds up going where I want to
go to the Wizards, because whatever you want to say
about players and how great you think they are, the
league always lets you know what their trade value is
when it comes to when you see you get traded,
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right Like I went through this with you know, the
Mets the last few weeks when the Mets traded Jeff McNeil.
Oh as another fan favorite, that guy that they're not
bringing back. Alonzo's gone, Edwin Diaz has gone, Nimo traded.
Now it's Jeff McNeil. Okay, Jeff McNeil went a batting
title four years ago, he was below average everywhere. He
got traded to the A's for a seventeen year old prospect. Okay,
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that tells you the level of what people, what the
what the riff the Major League Baseball thinks about Jeff.
It's okay to lose Jeff McNeil in that situation, And
I feel like, Wow, was Trey Young really that that
little thought of in the NBA that this is where
maybe he's getting ahead of the curve going, Okay, nobody
wants me but Washington. I want to go to Washington,
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Get me to Washington. But that really, again, I don't
know what's more surprising that's my destination or the fact
that nobody else wanted him, because Rick Buker told us
there was no other bidders for Trey Young, no other
bidders for Trey Young in this in this process.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, and that's the curiosity because he also brought up
John Morant. So like the next month leading to the
trade deadline with Rick Buker, I mean, it's always Musclessen Radio,
especially when you immediately assault him with Cincinnati Bengals talk.
But all of that, he said, there's absolutely no market
for John Morant, but for Trey Young. I get it
to a point, right, You've got a guy four years
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in a row. You've watched his field goal percentage, shrink, volume, guy,
whatever's going on behind the scenes, and I'm sure more
of that will leak now that he's been dealt. But
he has that player option next year at forty nine
million dollars, So how much of it is it already
decided what he's going to get from Washington in terms
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of an extension but if you're a team that's looking
to bring him in, you're going forty nine million is
top twelve money? Is he a top twelve guy at
this point shooting forty three percent? He's missed some time
due to injuries and might be a clubhouse guy that
we have a problem with. And if you're a contender,
it goes back to the Lebron thing of a larger
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scale and obviously older and defensive deficiencies. Not that Trey
Young's the greatest defender in the world, but all of
that to say, am I going to upset my rotation
to bring that guy in who's been the alpha for
a number of years and now he's gonna have to
be a.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Guy come come in and come off the bench and
play the second unit where you don't need to worry
about you coming in and fitting in and assimilated. Go
do your thing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You're a forty nine million dollar Yeah, that ain't who
you've been, right man, And and you're.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Getting a guy to realize that. But it's also an
expiring contract in the year, so there is a little
bit of that that you that you could have but
you but you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Got to deal with him for a year.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Sure, yeah, well, you know because at forty nine million dollars,
he ain't opted out.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No no, no, no no, But but he's someone that
he could really be valuable to a team that because again,
look what you had to give up for him.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, but that but that's saying salaries make and he
goes to a I mean was he says like, wait,
a guy wants to come, he wants us.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
There's lot those jerseys printed, there's lots of competitive teams
that can say, Yo, we got some salary we can
give you, no worry about it, We'll go get Trey.
I mean, this guy in his twenties, four time All
Star who was like, yeah, there's no entry like that
is that's absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But that's always like we're talking about the coaching hiring
and firing process in the NFL, some of the chessboard
pieces that move around in college football, not just the
coaches but the players. Why is that guy out at
this school? Why wouldn't they match the money and all
of that kind of stuff. Same thing here with Trey Jung.
It's like, I can't wait for whatever details come out
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of this. And I know there's some newspaper issues with
the journal Constitution and all sorts of newspapers across the country,
but plenty of folks on the beat that'll have some
details for us.
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Speaker 5 (15:34):
Uh Ty Shir you know who this is. Yeah, it's
Mike Harmon. Oh okay, very yes, that is right, Mike Harmon.
Are you talking about the stones that roll?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah? Okay, so you know, okay, very good. The last
couple of days in football, I've been dominated obviously by
coaches getting fired. Yeah, and where they wind up going.
Pictures of Kevin Stefanski and the airport flying to Yeah.
I love the pictures because he flies like I fly
like in a hoodie and sweatpants and a carry on bag.
(16:05):
Very what's wrong with America? It's how I fly, man.
I like it not enough. You know, I'm in these
I'm in a suit and tie, and I have one
of those really expensive bags that that you know, looks
aluminum and won't crush like no, it's defense like yeah, yeah,
I got my bag, I got my hat, I got
my headphones on. Yet I'm traveling. It's good. I did that.
I think that. And he's just by himself. It's a
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simple man. Just buy himself. I just buy himself going
through the going going through security line in the airport,
and then.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Once he gets outside, there's the luxury car and the
guy holding a sign with his name.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm sorry, it's it's defanski, it's with an ie not
not a y. At the end. I'm sorry, missus fans.
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'm sorry about that, Doctor Gallawikets.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yes, I am. So that's been a really big deal obviously,
but what has really started to take hold is this
debate and the and the thought of players going back
to college instead of going to the NFL, which you
would that would there was not a topic of conversation
three years ago, but in the age of nil money,
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it is now. And it was sounded off by by
former ESPN college football analyst Todd McShay, who want to
show the other day, said, Hey, if I'm Dante More,
I call the Raiders and if I can't get them
to guarantee to draft me at number one, I go
back to college because I don't want any part of
the Jets. The Jets ruined quarterbacks. Okay, and I get
it right, The Jets don't have a great track record,
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But don't sit here and tell me that the Raiders
are suddenly destined them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
They give them a maybe a perilous foundation, but it's
a foundation and a learning lesson about life.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, here's the foundation. The Raiders give their quarterbacks, which
bat I'm at the Jets, which that Man movie wasn't
where where Killian Murphy was the judge in that crazy
court and you had to walk out on the ice
side where your sentence was either like death or you
had to walk out on the ice and obviously the
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ice is gonna crack and you're gonna follow it. That
was dark Knight Rise, Dark Knight Rise. Okay, like that,
that's the foundation the Raiders give you. Hey, we're gonna
bring his quarterback, go walk on the ice. I don't
want to gotta walk on the ice.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You're a Raider.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You gotta walk there. So the fact that Todd mcshage
wants to sit here and say, oh the rate it
no stop that, that's a load of crap. Nobody wants
to go to the rain. Yeah, people excited about being
a Jet or thinking are they nervously Yeah, sure, but
don't tell me the Raiders are suddenly Oh oh I
have to go to the Raiders. The Raiders do it
just as bad as the Jets. Okay, in times they
do it worse. So don't sit here and tell me, oh,
I get that. Your buddies with Joe Douglas and Joe
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Dee is a good guy and you you hate the JET.
I understand that. But then today that argument was augmented
by Fox College football linelist Joe Klatt, who was on
the Herd earlier today. And I love Joe Klatt, but
he is completely wrong about this philosophy about players going
back to college. Now, he was asked, hey, Dante Moore,
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you know jumping off this this thing with with Todd McShay,
with nil being so much more money as it is, Hey,
if you had to give Dante Moore, Oregon quarterback who
was getting ready for the semifinal game on Friday night,
a guy who could be the number two overall pick
in the draft, if you were giving him advice, what
would you tell Dante Moore? And this is what Joel
Clade said.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Claudie, I need a little more from you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How about some Dante Moore. Let's go to Oregon the QB.
What do you got? Okay? Wait, does Colin know that
you do the impression of him? I hope?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
All right to hurt you? Yeah, they used to call you,
now they don't.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And then we talked about ear Lobes and I haven't
been back since. Where's that guy?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Alex? Wait?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
What don't want It was the last conversation don't want
him anymore? In high school they call me lobes because
I had long loves. He's like, you know what's funny.
I was thinking about getting mine reducted. You gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah? What you can do that? That's a thing. I
mean you can I get that. You could probably get
any part of your body reducted, reducted whatever, but you
can do that. Really your loves. Yeah, I want to
reduct twenty twenty six. You can do anything.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Okay, all right, versially Okay, no, I'm sure level stuff.
And it's I was like, Colin, it's it. We're so
older now, like nobody cares me. My my wife said the
same thing. It was a great combo. But back to
Clotdy sure here, clatdie here, Joe Cloudy, tell me more
about Dante.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And if Dante Moore called me today and he said, hey,
like what should I do?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I wouldn't blink an eye.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I would say go back to school because it's no
longer just a financial decision. He can make life changing
money at Oregon, much less than the National Football league
and getting extra starts prepares you for what you could
potentially have, which is a long NFL career because you
want to get to the second contract. That's when it
really matters for you in the National Football League. And
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we're starting to see, by the way in the last
couple of years, experience at that position and experience teams
in general are the ones that are winning in the postseason.
Look at Indiana, you've got experience. Look at Ohio State
last year, Michigan the year before. Experience at the quarterback position,
Experience across the line of scrimmage. That's what's ultimately winning
out right now in college football.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, that's a load of crap. And I'll tell you why, because,
like you really, I understand your point in theory. Now,
let's say look to get to this point, let's use
this as an example. A guy like Ty Simpson, right
Alabama quarterback, who declared for the NFL Draft today. He
declared because, in the words of his dad, we got
first round grades. Nobody said second round. Okay, that sounds great,
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but this doesn't mean teams are locked into taking your
kid in the first round. But I get where there's
a question there, because well, if I'm not taking at
the top of the draft, I could go back to school.
I could make money nil wise, or I could also
improve my draft stock next year, because the higher you
get drafted, the better it is for you, obviously, right, So,
now here's Joe Klatt saying Dante Moore should go back
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to school. And I'm not saying this like, if Dante
more comes out in the draft, great and the Jets
draft them, awesome. If they don't, the show goes on.
We'll get somebody else. Kyler Murray will be our quarterback.
So this is where this is an absolute ridiculous take. Yes,
Dante Moore could go back to Oregon. Let's deal with
the money part of it. First, Dante Moore could go
back to Oregon and get somewhere between seven and ten
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million dollars for one more year. Right, let's just because
they love him there. Obviously, he's in the semifinal in
the College Football play Iff, you got that. Let's just
say on the far end, he somehow gets ten million
dollars for next year. Right, Maybe it's more closer to seven,
but let's say he gets ten million. Let's say Dan
Fouts comes up with a lot of money and says, hey,
you stay. Let's say that how about that, I mean,
I'm out of other famous Oregon alone. Let's say Joey
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Harrington says, I got money for you, I got some
How about.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
How much is it worth for him to pick the
next alternate uniform.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That he design? Yeah, okay, okay, you know Phil Knight
with everything designed number eighty seven. So let's just say this.
You could go back life changing money, right, okay, life
changing money at Oregon one year, ten million dollars. Let's
go at the top of that, he's not going lower
than number two in the draft. You got two quarterback
needy teams at the top of the draft, and and
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and Fanana Mendoza probably is going number one, but maybe
he goes umb. But let's just say Dante More is
going number two. You know what the salary is for
a number two. Pick a quarterback at number two in
the NFL. You come into the NFL at four years
and fifty million dollars. So cause I took basic math
throughout high school. Wasn't great at it, but I took math.
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If I said to you, Mike Harmon, okay, you have
two choices. You have choice in front of you. Number
one is next year, one year and ten million dollars
or four years and fifty million dollars. What are you picking?
What in that?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And that money is mostly, if not all, guaranteed. Yeah,
it's a no brainer. What are you picking? And of
course that's better money.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Don't tell me you're making life change You're making even
more life changing money by going to the NFL and
getting all of that money. Because this is the second
part of it, right, going number two, because you want
to talk about the second contract, which I think is
ridiculous because why are you talking about a second contract
before you even gotten your first one. That's just dumb.
Achieve your first contract and then you'll get that second
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cond worry about your first contract first. Right, This is
like me saying I worry about how the Jets would
defend a Super Bowl title, Like, okay, let's get one
first before we get there. But it flies into face.
Normally the argument is get to the league, get faster.
Why because you're a year closer to your second contract,
because you get when you were a year younger, and
it happens that way. Now, let's just say you are
a quin Youewers or Kyle mccorr two of the best
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quarterbacks in college football last year. They could have stayed
made life changing. They could have made six seven million
dollars staying where they were, And okay, what happened. Com
McCord came out, got drafted way later. Quinn Ewers got
drafted way later. Now, maybe he's got a chance to
win the Dolphins starting quarterback job next year. Maybe not.
But you think if he could do it over again,
(24:38):
Oh man, I got drafted in the sixth round. I
would have gone back to school, or I would have
transferred somewhere like Carson Beck did, going to Miami getting
seven million dollars, and here he is in the college
football semifinal playoff. When you're drafted second overall, you have
a much longer time to show a team that you
can't do it than if you're drafted late in the
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first round or in the second round. If you're a
late first second round pick, you know who are You're
Tyler Shuck who you're hoping at some point if I
get a chance my rookie year, I can prove that
I can play. Now. Luckily for the Saints and Tyler
Schuck was really good to announced today he's gonna be
their starting quarterback next year. Congratulations of guys like me
who picked him up in Dynasty Fantasy in all my leagues.
So but that was great, right, but his success wasn't guaranteed.
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If the Saint's stunk and they were picking first overall,
guess what, hey, Tyler Schuck, we're gonna ship you out somewhere.
Maybe you're our backup. So you have to understand when
you're drafted second overall, Yeah, you want to get to
that second contract. You want as much time as possible
to get it done. You don't get any more time
than if you're taking the top three of the draft
because their teams are gonna make sure that we give you.
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We exhaust every opportunity before we ship you out and
say you're not our guy. Trey Lance was in San
Francisco for eleven years before they finally said, hey, at
twenty five years old, we've just said you're fourteen. You
know we've got to move on from you. So, yes,
there's that bit of you want to stay in college
football and get all the starts. I understand that part
of Joel Klatt's statement that hey, the more starts you have,
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the better equipped you are to come to the NFL.
But when the NFL wants you, you go. You are
in a position where the NFL says we want you
at number two overall, and the Jets will give you
every benefit wherever's picking a number two, we'll give you
every benefit of the doubt to succeed. You will get
a longer time because you're coming out now at number
two when, oh, by the way, he's not even talking
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about what could happen next year, when it supposedly is
a generational college football quarterback draft with the guys coming out.
Maybe Dante Moore doesn't have the year he has, or
he has the same exact year, and instead of going
number two overall, he's late in the first round. Right,
let me take you back to Matt Liner coming off
the Heisman Trophy said Nope, I'm staying at USC would
have been the number one overall pick. He stays. What
happens he falls to number ten. A lot easier to
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move on from a guy pick tenth, just as Josh
Rosen than it is for a guy picked number one overall.
So all of these things are out there for Dante Moore,
and to say that to go back to school. When
you're taking the top of the draft. What are you insane?
I mean, are are you kidding? It makes more sense
money wise, it makes more sense your career wise that Okay,
you want that second contract. Show you can bleep and play, man,
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that's the reason why they're paying you this much. Show
you can play. Sometimes it's on the player to say, hey, okay,
it's not on the team that ruins you all the time.
You gotta do that. Man, in no world is Dante
more going back to college make any sense?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of things that come
out of it, and the being equipped because of the
extra starts. We've certainly got plenty of circumstances for that shown.
I mean, just go back to you talk about San Francisco,
look at Rock Party and all the extra stuff. You see, right,
the game in theory slows down that much faster. Very
excited to see Tyler Shuck work out because going back
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to draft night, he was one of my favorite guys.
But all of those things, you know, and we've had
the Mannings come up. They're an outlier, right, they had
a dad in the league, they knew the history whatever,
and they and Peyton stayed, Eli stayed, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
There's one family, and it doesn't mean hey, if he
went back and say, okay, good whoever, whether he's at
Oregon or if he decides he wants to go try
something else, good for him. Talking as we are about
Dante Moore. But in terms of the draft process, let
me ask you a question. Okay, if Dante Moore were
to say, decide to go back to school he wants
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he just loved the college experience, wanted to bank seven
to ten million dollars and all those things. He comes
out next year and let's just assume he's still top
to top three.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, who's there to draft him? Oh? Jason Smith, the Raiders,
the Jets, the Arizona Cardinals, the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Nicely gone, What do I win anyway? Laurel and Hardy Hans, Yeah,
that's fine. I mean the Titans have cam Ward, whether
they get that right.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Around him or know that he's got more than one
more year, no, but I liked him to where.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's like, but he's in Tennessee, So what's he got
around him?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And he's got an ownership group that it's very well established.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Is what's that word? Not good? No? No, no, So all.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Of that going through this, like Jackson Dart finishes and
he gets drafted twenty fifth over all, adding the time
Simpson thing back in here, four years, eleven million dollar deal, right,
that's how far it falls off. So if you are
a guy projected that high, Travis Hunter got four for
forty six this year. Yeah, as a what was he
a Heisman winner and a guy that he just kind
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of shruging, don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Is he a receiver? Is he a quarterback? Don't know?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But he's number two. He got forty six million dollars.
This is a quarterback very decorated from.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Again, no, you're gonna get fifty million, right, right, So
all of that to say, you would you would roll
the dice that everything works perfectly, that every one of
those quarterbacks that didn't come out this year, right because
supposed to be nus Meyer there.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Arch Manning. If it had all gone right, maybe he
would have come out. I don't know that that's true,
but maybe just say, because there's still people saying he
would have been the number one even if he declared
right now, So all of that, those guys are coming out.
So you're up at the top of the draft board.
You're going to roll the dice that everything goes right
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again and push off that second deal for another year again.
You know, quinn ew Ers, he got four years and
four million dollars. Would he have done things differently?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Did he get the right have a million just for
this year?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Right? Did he get the right information? Was he just
done with the collegiate game? Because that's the other part
of this. Every bit of this is different in terms
of where guy's priorities are in terms of dollars, where
they are time wise in their life, life circumstances, et cetera.
And and it's not a one size fits all. But
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in this particular case, to say I'd advise you to
go back and cite the things he did, the logic
doesn't hold up. Now, there are some guys you can
say that too. Guys if you're not sure you're going
to be in the first round, or if you're getting
some kind of evaluation but you want to play it safe.
I get because look, look, Ty Simpson could go back
to college next year and could go back to Alabama
sure and get to or you could transfer and go
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someplace out and get six million, or he might be
a top fifteen pick. You don't know what's going into
the draft.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That's the dice. That's the guy who needs a decision,
who's got to make a tough decision. It's not a
decision for Dante Moore. I mean, it's it's ridiculous to
say that. It's ridiculous person exit out about a Fresco
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single night. So we got a big football story coming
your way in about twenty minutes. But two, I would say,
one kind of head scratching NBA story, which we'll get
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to in a couple of minutes. But tonight, watching the
big game of the night, the Lakers lose to the Spurs.
The Spurs kind of run away with the game at
the end, and you know, Luca plays well, but really
nobody else in the Lakers offensively played well, and Lebron
sat out because, as he said last night, hey, me
and back to back game don't really mix it anymore.
I'm just old, Like, okay, I'm old. But seeing him
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street close on the sideline tonight, there's certain times where
I see something, I see video in a game, or
it's a picture or it's a video of somebody and
and something just hits me. And seeing Lebron and his
body language sitting on the sideline not playing, I just
I got sad because you realize this is how Lebron
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is going out. Right, this is probably his last year
in the NBA, and you are seeing a guy who
is sitting out games because he's old, someone who has
been shunted aside by the Lakers, and he's gonna He's
someone that you know, the Lakers would move on from
him if they could, They would trade him if they
could at the deadline. But this is how Lebron is
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going out and I get that star players go out
either on their feet waiting to the crowd at the end.
Maybe they don't have what they did in the end,
maybe they don't lead their team to winning a championship,
but at the end of the year, that's the way
it is. It's all about them, or they stay on
way too long with another team and they end sort
of weirdly unceremoniously. But this is what's said about Lebron
(02:44):
is that this is a guy that stirred to drink
in the NBA for twenty years and still does and
still does. There's nobody more polarizing, more interesting to talk
about than Lebron James because of what he's been able
to do, still at this level at forty one years old.
Thirty points game last night, and he's going out as
a guy who is a side story on the team
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that he led to a championship a few years ago.
That doesn't happen to anybody, but it's happening to Lebron,
and it's and look, there's things that he did and
said that that, you know, push this scenario on us,
But it doesn't mean it's not sad for us to
watch it. This is how Lebron goes out. This is
not how he should go out as a player on
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a team where they'd love to get rid of him,
and he makes a lot of money. He's still good,
but he's not nearly going to get the send off
that he deserves, because if anybody deserves to send off
for what he's what he's given to us the last
twenty years, content wise, entertainment wise, it's Lebron James And
instead it's just, Yeah, you're gonna kind of exist on
the side over here, and you know, we'll probably do
(03:47):
something for at the end of the year, but you know,
who knows what their relationship is going to be like
right now. It's just it's been awkward from the beginning.
It's awkward that he's on the side of the Lakers
and seeing that this is his last year, it's just
sad that this is how he's going out. Yeah, I
mean some of it. It's the old.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Look in the mirror, right, hold it up and see
what what it is. You go to the Harry Potter route,
you know what do you see when you look inside?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well he holding up the quidditch cup exactly right.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And instead here it's the look how old you become,
and you made the choice, right, he opted in the contract,
so I can only feel so bad. Right, there's part
of me like it's always chasing my guy, you know,
being in Chicago and and the whole Jordan mystique in
history and all. So part of it is, eh, you know,
what are you gonna do? I mean, Lebron is having
(04:39):
his Wizards moment, except it's in a Laker, right, Jordan's
still average twenty. But all of that to say he
chose this. Now, I don't know what the marketplace would
have been if he decided not to opt back in,
And maybe he made those calls and wasn't happy with
his answers on the other end to the line. Because
(05:00):
we talked about it, right, you brought it up with
Rick Muker, the idea that you know, hey, he can
go back to Cleveland. Well, as we talked about going
into the in the preseason the offseason, like any of
those moves, they got to give up all sorts of
ancillary parts to make a trade happen, or they have
to give up a bunch of playing time to guys
that play both ends of the court, which Lebron does
(05:24):
not do.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The ISO super clips of him not playing defense are
embarrassing at this point, like this is he's got a
lot of the athleticism on the offensive side and occasionally
will show it deviensually, But he's getting towards the Kreem
Abdul Jabbar part of his career where it's like, does
he get past half court? Nah, he's complaining it with
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the official and he's hanging out down here. So he
made the choice to come back to this knowing it
was going to go through Lucae so and he could
have gone somewhere else, gone to the wayside. Look, he
could have decided my preferred destination is insert out pro
city here, like some others would have.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
He didn't. He wanted the fifty three million.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He wanted to be in Los Angeles and still be
part of the story and to have people talk about him.
I think to some degree in the way that you
are like you lamented the loss of Pete Carroll's job.
Like the old guys, we remember the greatness, and now
this is what it is. Look how sad and old? Yeah,
because look at it and look at it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yes, you're right, he has brought it on himself, doesn't
make it any less sad that this is how he's
going out, right, because well, for you, we want to
be well freddy boy, I think for anybody watching, like,
does anybody want to see Lebron go out this way?
But I don't mean winning at all. I mean as
someone who, hey, everybody cares about Lebron. Whether you love him,
you hate him. He's polarized. Sometimes you love him, sometimes
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you don't like this guy. He has provided so much entertainment.
He has made the NBA. Every game he is in,
is in the playoffs, is a must see game and
is a daily drama. And this is how he's going out, Like,
it's really sad that this would be the way.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, again, I think a lot of it is now
that he's waxing poetic and we had the slap fight,
the verbal slap fight, back and forth we talk about
you know, shielded comments and and saying wow, I got
a bend to what Luke is but by the same token,
talking about the way the game is played, which is
a slight deal of the way Luca plays because it's
not getting everybody involved. You had JJ Reddick, your favorite
(07:23):
guy you remember at Jason.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, James. But he was talking about
it what two weeks ago at this point when they
were having their their bad run. Oh and we're gonna
have an intense practice. They're gonna feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
And a lot of it was he talked very explicitly
off since Lebron came back, it's not the same flow.
It's not And look, missing Austin Reeves changes a lot,
There's no question about it. Like he descended into a
decent spot decide where he is in the pantheon of
greats in the NBA at this point. But that's a
huge chip off the table for you. Offensively and now
(07:57):
I'm not gonna say defensively, none of those guys, Oh yeah,
plays defenses, mark smart. But other than that, it's it's
just the idea that you made the choice with everything
that was on the table and knowing that you're coming
towards the end. That he wrote a lot of this
chapter himself as the sad narrative of you're gonna miss me,
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and so you decide how much you buy into it,
like a lot of those stories. That's that's when I
turned the movie off. When it gets too self reflective.
It's like, how about and that's where we're at with
the Lebron thing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, I'm old.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I can't play us back to back, especially against that
young guy Wendy.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
He's gonna make me look silly.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Now, elsewhere in the NBA, tonight, Trey Young was dealt
Trey Young traded away from the from the Hawks And look,
you probably woke up today like me and said, wait
a minute, the preferred destination for Trey Young is the
Washington Wizards. That's Lebron about that the team it's been
thirty games under five hundred for the last eight years.
This is this is his preferred destination. This is not
(09:00):
a fake onion. Sorry, no, no, no, this is his
preferred destination. Now, if Jordan Poole were still there, maybe
he had Draymond Green issues that he wanted to settle
by being want to practice cord, but he's not even there.
Just think if that team could have been him and
Pool and Kyle Kuzmann. Porzingis like all those guys, all
the best US in the last few years. And then
it happened, and tonight the Hawks agreed to trade Trey Young,
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four time All Star, to the Wizard for CJ McCollum
and Corey Kispert, Right, I don't know what's more shocking
to me that this was Trey Young's preferred destination a
team that's so far off the NBA map it might
as well be an hawf or the fact that nobody
else wanted him, because this, again, this is a guy
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that's still in his twenties. And when he first came
into the league, I thought, if he comes in and
he's a great scorer, right coming out of Oklahoma, like
he if he turns out to be a great sixth man,
that's a great career, right, because he could really help
a lot of teams because that's kind of what his
game is. And at this point, okay, four time All Star,
there is he could be a bit of a handful
(10:05):
of coach. Yeah, you heard Rick Buker talk about that
a few minutes ago. But there should have been more
than one contender saying, hey, yeah, we don't need to
give up a lot for Trey Young. Will take them.
This is a guy that can come off the bench
for us. Now, play twenty some odd minutes a night,
play against the second unit, and you just go and
create and score. Right, that's Trey Young, and that's really
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really valuable, and I can't believe that that his reputation
and in the interest level was so low that this
is where he winds up going where I want to
go to the Wizards, because whatever you want to say
about players and how great you think they are, the
league always lets you know what their trade value is
when it comes to when you see you get traded,
(10:49):
right Like I went through this with you know, the
Mets the last few weeks when the Mets traded Jeff McNeil.
Oh as another fan favorite, that guy that they're not
bringing back. Alonzo's gone, Edwin Diaz has gone, Nimo traded.
Now it's Jeff McNeil. Okay, Jeff McNeil went a batting
title four years ago, he was below average everywhere. He
got traded to the A's for a seventeen year old prospect. Okay,
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that tells you the level of what people, what the
what the riff the Major League Baseball thinks about Jeff.
It's okay to lose Jeff McNeil in that situation, And
I feel like, Wow, was Trey Young really that that
little thought of in the NBA that this is where
maybe he's getting ahead of the curve going, Okay, nobody
wants me but Washington. I want to go to Washington,
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Get me to Washington. But that really, again, I don't
know what's more surprising that's my destination or the fact
that nobody else wanted him, because Rick Buker told us
there was no other bidders for Trey Young, no other
bidders for Trey Young in this in this process.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, and that's the curiosity because he also brought up
John Morant. So like the next month leading to the
trade deadline with Rick Buker, I mean, it's always Musclessen Radio,
especially when you immediately assault him with Cincinnati Bengals talk.
But all of that, he said, there's absolutely no market
for John Morant, but for Trey Young. I get it
to a point, right, You've got a guy four years
(12:09):
in a row. You've watched his field goal percentage, shrink, volume, guy,
whatever's going on behind the scenes, and I'm sure more
of that will leak now that he's been dealt. But
he has that player option next year at forty nine
million dollars, So how much of it is it already
decided what he's going to get from Washington in terms
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of an extension but if you're a team that's looking
to bring him in, you're going forty nine million is
top twelve money? Is he a top twelve guy at
this point shooting forty three percent? He's missed some time
due to injuries and might be a clubhouse guy that
we have a problem with. And if you're a contender,
it goes back to the Lebron thing of a larger
(12:51):
scale and obviously older and defensive deficiencies. Not that Trey
Young's the greatest defender in the world, but all of
that to say, am I going to upset my rotation
to bring that guy in who's been the alpha for
a number of years and now he's gonna have to
be a.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Guy come come in and come off the bench and
play the second unit where you don't need to worry
about you coming in and fitting in and assimilated. Go
do your thing.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You're a forty nine million dollar Yeah, that ain't who
you've been, right man, And and you're.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Getting a guy to realize that. But it's also an
expiring contract in the year, so there is a little
bit of that that you that you could have but
you but you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Got to deal with him for a year.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Sure, yeah, well, you know because at forty nine million dollars,
he ain't opted out.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No no, no, no no, But but he's someone that
he could really be valuable to a team that because again,
look what you had to give up for him.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Well, but that but that's saying salaries make and he
goes to a I mean was he says like, wait,
a guy wants to come, he wants us.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
There's lot those jerseys printed, there's lots of competitive teams
that can say, Yo, we got some salary we can
give you, no worry about it, We'll go get Trey.
I mean, this guy in his twenties, four time All
Star who was like, yeah, there's no entry like that
is that's absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
But that's always like we're talking about the coaching hiring
and firing process in the NFL, some of the chessboard
pieces that move around in college football, not just the
coaches but the players. Why is that guy out at
this school? Why wouldn't they match the money and all
of that kind of stuff. Same thing here with Trey Jung.
It's like, I can't wait for whatever details come out
(14:22):
of this. And I know there's some newspaper issues with
the journal Constitution and all sorts of newspapers across the country,
but plenty of folks on the beat that'll have some
details for us.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
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Are you talking about the stones that roll?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah? Okay, so you know, okay, very good. The last
couple of days in football, I've been dominated obviously by
coaches getting fired. Yeah, and where they wind up going.
Pictures of Kevin Stefanski and the airport flying to Yeah.
I love the pictures because he flies like I fly
like in a hoodie and sweatpants and a carry on bag.
(16:05):
Very what's wrong with America? It's how I fly, man.
I like it not enough. You know, I'm in these
I'm in a suit and tie, and I have one
of those really expensive bags that that you know, looks
aluminum and won't crush like no, it's defense like yeah, yeah,
I got my bag, I got my hat, I got
my headphones on. Yet I'm traveling. It's good. I did that.
I think that. And he's just by himself. It's a
(16:27):
simple man. Just buy himself. I just buy himself going
through the going going through security line in the airport,
and then.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Once he gets outside, there's the luxury car and the
guy holding a sign with his name.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I'm sorry, it's it's defanski, it's with an ie not
not a y. At the end. I'm sorry, missus fans.
I'm really sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'm sorry about that, Doctor Gallawikets.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yes, I am. So that's been a really big deal obviously,
but what has really started to take hold is this
debate and the and the thought of players going back
to college instead of going to the NFL, which you
would that would there was not a topic of conversation
three years ago, but in the age of nil money,
(17:08):
it is now. And it was sounded off by by
former ESPN college football analyst Todd McShay, who want to
show the other day, said, Hey, if I'm Dante More,
I call the Raiders and if I can't get them
to guarantee to draft me at number one, I go
back to college because I don't want any part of
the Jets. The Jets ruined quarterbacks. Okay, and I get
it right, The Jets don't have a great track record,
(17:29):
But don't sit here and tell me that the Raiders
are suddenly destined them.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
They give them a maybe a perilous foundation, but it's
a foundation and a learning lesson about life.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Okay, here's the foundation. The Raiders give their quarterbacks, which
bat I'm at the Jets, which that Man movie wasn't
where where Killian Murphy was the judge in that crazy
court and you had to walk out on the ice
side where your sentence was either like death or you
had to walk out on the ice and obviously the
(18:00):
ice is gonna crack and you're gonna follow it. That
was dark Knight Rise, Dark Knight Rise. Okay, like that,
that's the foundation the Raiders give you. Hey, we're gonna
bring his quarterback, go walk on the ice. I don't
want to gotta walk on the ice.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You're a Raider.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
You gotta walk there. So the fact that Todd mcshage
wants to sit here and say, oh the rate it
no stop that, that's a load of crap. Nobody wants
to go to the rain. Yeah, people excited about being
a Jet or thinking are they nervously Yeah, sure, but
don't tell me the Raiders are suddenly Oh oh I
have to go to the Raiders. The Raiders do it
just as bad as the Jets. Okay, in times they
do it worse. So don't sit here and tell me, oh,
I get that. Your buddies with Joe Douglas and Joe
(18:34):
Dee is a good guy and you you hate the JET.
I understand that. But then today that argument was augmented
by Fox College football linelist Joe Klatt, who was on
the Herd earlier today. And I love Joe Klatt, but
he is completely wrong about this philosophy about players going
back to college. Now, he was asked, hey, Dante Moore,
(18:54):
you know jumping off this this thing with with Todd McShay,
with nil being so much more money as it is, Hey,
if you had to give Dante Moore, Oregon quarterback who
was getting ready for the semifinal game on Friday night,
a guy who could be the number two overall pick
in the draft, if you were giving him advice, what
would you tell Dante Moore? And this is what Joel
Clade said.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Claudie, I need a little more from you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
How about some Dante Moore. Let's go to Oregon the QB.
What do you got? Okay? Wait, does Colin know that
you do the impression of him? I hope?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
All right to hurt you? Yeah, they used to call you,
now they don't.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And then we talked about ear Lobes and I haven't
been back since. Where's that guy?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Alex? Wait?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
What don't want It was the last conversation don't want
him anymore? In high school they call me lobes because
I had long loves. He's like, you know what's funny.
I was thinking about getting mine reducted. You gonna do that?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah? What you can do that? That's a thing. I
mean you can I get that. You could probably get
any part of your body reducted, reducted whatever, but you
can do that. Really your loves. Yeah, I want to
reduct twenty twenty six. You can do anything.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Okay, all right, versially Okay, no, I'm sure level stuff.
And it's I was like, Colin, it's it. We're so
older now, like nobody cares me. My my wife said the
same thing. It was a great combo. But back to
Clotdy sure here, clatdie here, Joe Cloudy, tell me more
about Dante.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And if Dante Moore called me today and he said, hey,
like what should I do?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
I wouldn't blink an eye.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I would say go back to school because it's no
longer just a financial decision. He can make life changing
money at Oregon, much less than the National Football league
and getting extra starts prepares you for what you could
potentially have, which is a long NFL career because you
want to get to the second contract. That's when it
really matters for you in the National Football League. And
(20:34):
we're starting to see, by the way in the last
couple of years, experience at that position and experience teams
in general are the ones that are winning in the postseason.
Look at Indiana, you've got experience. Look at Ohio State
last year, Michigan the year before. Experience at the quarterback position,
Experience across the line of scrimmage. That's what's ultimately winning
out right now in college football.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, that's a load of crap. And I'll tell you why, because,
like you really, I understand your point in theory. Now,
let's say look to get to this point, let's use
this as an example. A guy like Ty Simpson, right
Alabama quarterback, who declared for the NFL Draft today. He
declared because, in the words of his dad, we got
first round grades. Nobody said second round. Okay, that sounds great,
(21:18):
but this doesn't mean teams are locked into taking your
kid in the first round. But I get where there's
a question there, because well, if I'm not taking at
the top of the draft, I could go back to school.
I could make money nil wise, or I could also
improve my draft stock next year, because the higher you
get drafted, the better it is for you, obviously, right, So,
now here's Joe Klatt saying Dante Moore should go back
(21:39):
to school. And I'm not saying this like, if Dante
more comes out in the draft, great and the Jets
draft them, awesome. If they don't, the show goes on.
We'll get somebody else. Kyler Murray will be our quarterback.
So this is where this is an absolute ridiculous take. Yes,
Dante Moore could go back to Oregon. Let's deal with
the money part of it. First, Dante Moore could go
back to Oregon and get somewhere between seven and ten
(22:02):
million dollars for one more year. Right, let's just because
they love him there. Obviously, he's in the semifinal in
the College Football play Iff, you got that. Let's just
say on the far end, he somehow gets ten million
dollars for next year. Right, Maybe it's more closer to seven,
but let's say he gets ten million. Let's say Dan
Fouts comes up with a lot of money and says, hey,
you stay. Let's say that how about that, I mean,
I'm out of other famous Oregon alone. Let's say Joey
(22:22):
Harrington says, I got money for you, I got some
How about.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
How much is it worth for him to pick the
next alternate uniform.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That he design? Yeah, okay, okay, you know Phil Knight
with everything designed number eighty seven. So let's just say this.
You could go back life changing money, right, okay, life
changing money at Oregon one year, ten million dollars. Let's
go at the top of that, he's not going lower
than number two in the draft. You got two quarterback
needy teams at the top of the draft, and and
(22:51):
and Fanana Mendoza probably is going number one, but maybe
he goes umb. But let's just say Dante More is
going number two. You know what the salary is for
a number two. Pick a quarterback at number two in
the NFL. You come into the NFL at four years
and fifty million dollars. So cause I took basic math
throughout high school. Wasn't great at it, but I took math.
(23:13):
If I said to you, Mike Harmon, okay, you have
two choices. You have choice in front of you. Number
one is next year, one year and ten million dollars
or four years and fifty million dollars. What are you picking?
What in that?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
And that money is mostly, if not all, guaranteed. Yeah,
it's a no brainer. What are you picking? And of
course that's better money.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Don't tell me you're making life change You're making even
more life changing money by going to the NFL and
getting all of that money. Because this is the second
part of it, right, going number two, because you want
to talk about the second contract, which I think is
ridiculous because why are you talking about a second contract
before you even gotten your first one. That's just dumb.
Achieve your first contract and then you'll get that second
(23:53):
cond worry about your first contract first. Right, This is
like me saying I worry about how the Jets would
defend a Super Bowl title, Like, okay, let's get one
first before we get there. But it flies into face.
Normally the argument is get to the league, get faster.
Why because you're a year closer to your second contract,
because you get when you were a year younger, and
it happens that way. Now, let's just say you are
a quin Youewers or Kyle mccorr two of the best
(24:16):
quarterbacks in college football last year. They could have stayed
made life changing. They could have made six seven million
dollars staying where they were, And okay, what happened. Com
McCord came out, got drafted way later. Quinn Ewers got
drafted way later. Now, maybe he's got a chance to
win the Dolphins starting quarterback job next year. Maybe not.
But you think if he could do it over again,
(24:38):
Oh man, I got drafted in the sixth round. I
would have gone back to school, or I would have
transferred somewhere like Carson Beck did, going to Miami getting
seven million dollars, and here he is in the college
football semifinal playoff. When you're drafted second overall, you have
a much longer time to show a team that you
can't do it than if you're drafted late in the
(24:59):
first round or in the second round. If you're a
late first second round pick, you know who are You're
Tyler Shuck who you're hoping at some point if I
get a chance my rookie year, I can prove that
I can play. Now. Luckily for the Saints and Tyler
Schuck was really good to announced today he's gonna be
their starting quarterback next year. Congratulations of guys like me
who picked him up in Dynasty Fantasy in all my leagues.
So but that was great, right, but his success wasn't guaranteed.
(25:22):
If the Saint's stunk and they were picking first overall,
guess what, hey, Tyler Schuck, we're gonna ship you out somewhere.
Maybe you're our backup. So you have to understand when
you're drafted second overall, Yeah, you want to get to
that second contract. You want as much time as possible
to get it done. You don't get any more time
than if you're taking the top three of the draft
because their teams are gonna make sure that we give you.
(25:43):
We exhaust every opportunity before we ship you out and
say you're not our guy. Trey Lance was in San
Francisco for eleven years before they finally said, hey, at
twenty five years old, we've just said you're fourteen. You
know we've got to move on from you. So, yes,
there's that bit of you want to stay in college
football and get all the starts. I understand that part
of Joel Klatt's statement that hey, the more starts you have,
(26:07):
the better equipped you are to come to the NFL.
But when the NFL wants you, you go. You are
in a position where the NFL says we want you
at number two overall, and the Jets will give you
every benefit wherever's picking a number two, we'll give you
every benefit of the doubt to succeed. You will get
a longer time because you're coming out now at number
two when, oh, by the way, he's not even talking
(26:28):
about what could happen next year, when it supposedly is
a generational college football quarterback draft with the guys coming out.
Maybe Dante Moore doesn't have the year he has, or
he has the same exact year, and instead of going
number two overall, he's late in the first round. Right,
let me take you back to Matt Liner coming off
the Heisman Trophy said Nope, I'm staying at USC would
have been the number one overall pick. He stays. What
happens he falls to number ten. A lot easier to
(26:51):
move on from a guy pick tenth, just as Josh
Rosen than it is for a guy picked number one overall.
So all of these things are out there for Dante Moore,
and to say that to go back to school. When
you're taking the top of the draft. What are you insane?
I mean, are are you kidding? It makes more sense
money wise, it makes more sense your career wise that Okay,
you want that second contract. Show you can bleep and play, man,
(27:13):
that's the reason why they're paying you this much. Show
you can play. Sometimes it's on the player to say, hey, okay,
it's not on the team that ruins you all the time.
You gotta do that. Man, in no world is Dante
more going back to college make any sense?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of things that come
out of it, and the being equipped because of the
extra starts. We've certainly got plenty of circumstances for that shown.
I mean, just go back to you talk about San Francisco,
look at Rock Party and all the extra stuff. You see, right,
the game in theory slows down that much faster. Very
excited to see Tyler Shuck work out because going back
(27:46):
to draft night, he was one of my favorite guys.
But all of those things, you know, and we've had
the Mannings come up. They're an outlier, right, they had
a dad in the league, they knew the history whatever,
and they and Peyton stayed, Eli stayed, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
There's one family, and it doesn't mean hey, if he
went back and say, okay, good whoever, whether he's at
Oregon or if he decides he wants to go try
something else, good for him. Talking as we are about
Dante Moore. But in terms of the draft process, let
me ask you a question. Okay, if Dante Moore were
to say, decide to go back to school he wants
(28:27):
he just loved the college experience, wanted to bank seven
to ten million dollars and all those things. He comes
out next year and let's just assume he's still top
to top three.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, who's there to draft him? Oh? Jason Smith, the Raiders,
the Jets, the Arizona Cardinals, the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Nicely gone, What do I win anyway? Laurel and Hardy Hans, Yeah,
that's fine. I mean the Titans have cam Ward, whether
they get that right.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Around him or know that he's got more than one
more year, no, but I liked him to where.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's like, but he's in Tennessee, So what's he got
around him?
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Nothing?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And he's got an ownership group that it's very well established.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Is what's that word? Not good? No? No, no, So all.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Of that going through this, like Jackson Dart finishes and
he gets drafted twenty fifth over all, adding the time
Simpson thing back in here, four years, eleven million dollar deal, right,
that's how far it falls off. So if you are
a guy projected that high, Travis Hunter got four for
forty six this year. Yeah, as a what was he
a Heisman winner and a guy that he just kind
(29:37):
of shruging, don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Is he a receiver? Is he a quarterback? Don't know?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But he's number two. He got forty six million dollars.
This is a quarterback very decorated from.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Again, no, you're gonna get fifty million, right, right, So
all of that to say, you would you would roll
the dice that everything works perfectly, that every one of
those quarterbacks that didn't come out this year, right because
supposed to be nus Meyer there.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Arch Manning. If it had all gone right, maybe he
would have come out. I don't know that that's true,
but maybe just say, because there's still people saying he
would have been the number one even if he declared
right now, So all of that, those guys are coming out.
So you're up at the top of the draft board.
You're going to roll the dice that everything goes right
(30:22):
again and push off that second deal for another year again.
You know, quinn ew Ers, he got four years and
four million dollars. Would he have done things differently?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Did he get the right have a million just for
this year?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Right? Did he get the right information? Was he just
done with the collegiate game? Because that's the other part
of this. Every bit of this is different in terms
of where guy's priorities are in terms of dollars, where
they are time wise in their life, life circumstances, et cetera.
And and it's not a one size fits all. But
(30:59):
in this particular case, to say I'd advise you to
go back and cite the things he did, the logic
doesn't hold up. Now, there are some guys you can
say that too. Guys if you're not sure you're going
to be in the first round, or if you're getting
some kind of evaluation but you want to play it safe.
I get because look, look, Ty Simpson could go back
to college next year and could go back to Alabama
sure and get to or you could transfer and go
(31:19):
someplace out and get six million, or he might be
a top fifteen pick. You don't know what's going into
the draft.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That's the dice. That's the guy who needs a decision,
who's got to make a tough decision. It's not a
decision for Dante Moore. I mean, it's it's ridiculous to
say that. It's ridiculous person exit out about a Fresco
exit swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Harmon live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios. Come on I X We'll give
you our pick for the college football semifinal number one
tomorrow night. Plus, you absolutely have to hear what Jerry
(31:47):
Jones had to say today at the Cowboys end of
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