November 12, 2025 • 31 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open this midweek edition of the show reacting to the the New York Giants firing of head coach Brian Daboll... What does this mean for Jaxson Dart and his development? How do they think interim coach Mike Kafka will do? Was keeping GM Joe Schoen around the right call? Then the guys get into the news that Joe Burrow has returned to practice -- just how soon will we get to see him back out there on Sundays? Are the Bengals' playoff hopes alive? They also debate how likely it could really be to see Burrow traded this offseason. Plus, reacting to TreVeyon Henderson's breakout performance!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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(00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's a new era for the New York Giants. He
is Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. That is Ian Roddy.
We've got our second head coach of the NFL season fired.
First it was Brian Callahan and Tennessee and then earlier
this week Mike Brian Dabole got his walking papers for
the two and eight New York Giants. So a change
in the Big Apple.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Myriad reasons why this comes to pass right, I mean, obviously, record,
you know, terrible, and it's been a dismal effort running
on down the line. You know, we look at the Giants,
I mean since Tom Kauflin walked away, what is this
coach six? Coach seven? That's a decade Okay, so there
there's no innocent parties in any of this in terms
(01:16):
of the decision making. The fact that Joe Shane keeps
his job at least for another seven weeks is just insane.
Trade Deadline's gone find someone else to push paper on
roster moves. But for Dable, I mean, we talked about
it a little bit in the in the episode earlier
in the week, you know, talking about situations at fourth
down calls right the fourth and goal Russell Wilson's in,
(01:40):
Because that's a whole other part of this equation, the
Jackson dart and treatment and looking out for his best
and just now you're not gonna be able to keep
him from, you know, being a runner getting into the
open field. The fact that he seeks out contact is
something he's gonna have to learn and train himself not
to do. Like he looks like that guy that was like, Hey,
(02:01):
I can go lay a hit on this guy because
I'm going full steam in the head. It's like, you're
a quarterback, don't do that. That's just just a bad idea.
The fact that he's been in the blue tent seemingly
every other week, if not every week this season, you
had the fine and all of that stuff is just insane.
But you know, down distance, decision making, fourth quarter collapses,
(02:24):
you name it, it all piles up. Some reports were
that this was more or less a done deal after Denver.
Remember they scored thirteen points in that fourth quarter and
still lost that game somehow. But all it does is
it moves us forward to the Mike Kafka era, which
you know, selfishly the Northwestern kid played lost a big
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shootout bowl game, passed for five hundred yards against Auburn,
a little soft place in the heart. He's well traveled,
has worked with some of the best quarterbacks and mines
in the game. So it looks like and if you
were going to credit Dable Jackson Dart's early assent in
the NFL, how does Kafka not at least get some
of that shine. So it would seem to me, you've
(03:07):
got an audition here, even if you're down neighbors in Scatabo,
to go and prove that you deserve the job.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, I think it is absolutely in audition, and I
think that's why Joe Shane is still there. And the
messaging from ownership John Marra and Steve Tish is that
Shane's gonna pick the next head coach, and I think
that there's something in line to that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't know. I assume stuff was probably done.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Behind the back of Brian Dable, whether it be by
someone in the front office, whether it be maybe by
someone on the coaching staff. But to pin this all
on him, I think sets up for Shane to say, Yeah,
Kafka is the one who made Jackson Dart who he is.
We're gonna get Malik Naghbors back next year. Am Scataboo
(04:00):
should be coming back healthy. We've got a team here,
We've got pieces. Maybe a move some defensive pieces this offseason,
rearrange that a little bit, but you still have good
players there that could be a value.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think that there is something there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was weird, guys, because my social media accounts, specifically
TikTok I somehow in my algorithm got into the Joe
Shane stinks as a GM like portion of TikTok where
there's all these videos of behind the scenes stuff saying like,
look at this guy drafting Jalen Noel and Dave Ball
(04:37):
didn't want anything to do with it, and all these
other things that I'm like, how are these videos being made,
so there must have been at least some divide, whether
it be within the fan base or something of the
New York Giants. But when I heard that day Ball
was fired, I thought that was Shane gonna finish out
the season and then they'll go from there. But by
(04:58):
the sounds of it, Shane's gonna stick around, and in turn,
I think Kafka has a legit chance at winning this
job if the Giants just stop blowing all of these
double digit leads in the second half.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, I wondered how much you know you still had
for Shane, particularly the stuff swirling in the background from
that last off season hard knocks stuff that. I mean
that just while I still think it was the right
football move, I like Saquon Barkley, I think everybody does.
But if you're a bad team or running back's not
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giving you an extra four wins, it's just not so
you move on and unfortunately they end up having an
awful season. Last year Eagles win. But all of that,
you know, desperate, Hey, you're gonna call us before you
make a decision stuff, followed by Mara saying, well, I
just can't have that guy go in division and all
(05:53):
of that playing out on national TV just made them
look weak on so many levels. So Dable coming back
might not have had that much support under his feet
to go. But the Shane thing, maybe they agreed with
the decision or pushed the decision to that matter. But yeah,
it's just curious, you know, going forward. Theo Johnson also
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another guy that's been a nice fine for them, second
year guy, over thirty catches for the year and for
people that are still in leagues that used tight ends
the tight end position exclusively, He's probably found his way
onto a number of rosters. But yeah, it'll be interesting
to see how they proceed. Like the odd betting odds
were just wild with some of the names out there. Obviously,
(06:37):
Lane Kiffen is the number one on everybody's list for
any job that opens. I think he might be running
for Senate in a couple of states before it's all
said and done. But you know, you got him, you
got Mike McCarthy's name came up one Belichick I saw
at fifteen to.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
One, Kingsbury was second at five to one, Gruden was
ten to one according to bet online.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
The Gruden one is interesting too, right, But you know,
there's some wild names that are in that mix, and
you just like, wow, that would be interesting. I can
stand for that. It's like, and then you're trying to
think of, all right, how many of these guys have
previous ties to Jackson Dart through his college years or
you know, the recruiting process or whatever. It's like, it's
(07:20):
just a fascinating story to unfold in a massive market.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, there's there's gonna be tons and tons of names.
But if they win games, if they're able to do something,
and I don't know, I don't know how they're gonna
do it, and I don't know if there's gonna be
a move to Jameis Winston, if Jackson Dart is gonna
end up missing games, or how it's going to be done.
But I think that there's I think that there's an
opportunity and for Kafka to get the job full time,
(07:46):
and he has interviewed for head coaching vacancies, so that's
not out of the realm of you know, possibilities. It's
just you know, everything added up with with dayboll And
to have the lead be what it was, and I
just felt like Russell Wilson got a second coach fired,
(08:07):
which again I don't know why Jamis isn't number two.
If you're peeping in the medical tent to get Jackson
Dart back into the game because you don't want the
quarterback that's on the field to begin the game at
that time, then why is he still your backup quarterback?
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Doesn't I wonder something in his contract or something like
that where it's like he can't be any lower on
the depth chart than QB two or something that doesn't
that feel like something Russell Wilson would.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do, especially after the embarrassment of Denver. Right now, I
don't know how much you could do that, but I mean,
I think it was such a shot to the ego
of them just not playing him and not wanting him
to get hurt so they could let him go. But maybe,
you know, like maybe they said that there's no there's
no injury, you know, guarantees where if you get hurt,
(08:53):
you get hurt, then you're done, you know, to that point.
I I don't know like what it went down or
how it went down. We've heard Jamis Winston get a
lot of praise for what he's done in the locker
room and how much he and Jackson Dart like each other.
And I remember in the preseason when Tommy DeVito is
on the roster, they're all eating the w's and Russell
Wilson was nowhere to be found at any of this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So there does seem to be at least some.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Unity amongst those quarterbacks or those players, and maybe on
offense as well. And I think Dables an easy target.
But honestly, when you look, Mike, you mentioned the history
of the Giants coaches. I mean Ben McAdoo was fired
with almost a five hundred record, okay, and then you
(09:39):
had Pat Shermer come in and win nine games in
two seasons. Joe Judge won ten. So I mean it
was yeah, slim pickens.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Slim pickens, but still the mass expectations. I think the
fact that Dark played so well and then they still
were able to blow these these games plays plays out
the quarterback thing like it's just from a fandom standpoint,
take it away from the the analyst or raving lunatic
role like he came in and as a Chicago kid
(10:11):
and a Bears fan like good, it's Russell Wilson. I
don't want Jackson dar hurt. I like watching him. He
plays like his airs on fire. He's fun as hell,
but like Russell comes in, it's like, all right, we
can win this game.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Whereas Jamis has always been a guy that's terrified me
if he's on the other end of a game, because
there there is that electricity, because he's just seems so
damn likable. Wet guys play for him.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
We had Pam Oliver on our show on Sunday and
I asked her if the era went out when Dark
got hurt, and she said absolutely, so. You could feel
it on the sidelines for the Giants that when he
went out of the game, that they're like, oh, here
we go again. And there it went again for the Giants.
Oh yeah. Tough times in New York. Will see if
(10:59):
they rebound. They've got the Packers coming into the town
green Bay, losers of their last two, both at home.
Maybe getting out of Green Bay will help the Green
and goal, but they're going to face the Giants coming
up on Sunday. Cincinnati Bengals have a showdown with the Steelers.
There's an update on Joe Burrow and a little bit
more of a further conversation on what we had last week.
And maybe the new star out of the backfield in
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the NFL. It is I want earflex. He's Mike Carmen,
that's Ian Rodnie, I'm Dan Byer. More of that next. So,
while Brian Dabole is out of New York, Joe Burrow
back in, just not completely in in Cincinnati, the Bengals
opening up the twenty one day practice window for Burrow
to return from injured reserve. Mike Zach Taylor says that
(11:44):
Joe Burrow is not going to play against the Steelers
in week eleven, but after that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Who knows. I don't know if it's too little too late.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But for those that have been waiting for Joe Burrow
to come back since Week two, some welcome news earlier
this week.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, look, you still have a bunch of
division games left. You got Pittsburgh, so he's missing that
New England. Then you have the Sandwich Baltimore games with
Buffalo in between, so you want to talk about a
murderer's row, I mean, whatever Pittsburgh is at this point.
And then those next four games before Miami, Arizona and Cleveland.
(12:20):
So we start looking at the fantasy playoffs. So say
we go fifteen to seventeen. You got Baltimore, Miami and Arizona.
Arizona's still a top twelve, top thirteen in terms of
total defense, pointsberg game allowed. So the opportunity is there.
You know, we had in the midweek or earlier in
the week, the waiver wire part of things, just saying hey,
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maybe it's a stash situation to see how he develops.
I don't know that we ever see him on a
field right depending on the outcome of a game or two,
and that is a really quick healing process. Am I
gambling that I'm going to lose this guy forever because
I want to push him back in when we've lost
(13:04):
what six of our last seven games? I I think
that's just malfeasance. Now it's the Bengals, so I can't
rule that out altogether, and I don't I don't know.
I don't believe Zach Taylor has a hot seat at
this point. Man, how long is this contract? Because Brown
ain't eating any money. So it's like the Bears historically
(13:26):
before Eberflus, They're not They're not gonna fire him with
money remaining, but for stash purposes. If you've got a
deep enough bench, I'd say you at least play prevent
if you don't have a you know, against someone else,
you may be playing down the stretch. But in terms
of quick activation, man, that's that's a tough call. I guess.
(13:46):
Once he's activated, i'd say, all right, if they feel
strongly enough that his body's gonna hold up, be awful
hard not to start him.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The other interesting, well, and I think you hit the
nail on the head with how quick this timetable was,
first of all, because we were told mid December, right,
and I think mid December. I think December fifteenth. That's
the middle of December, basically, right, thirty one days smack dab.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, you just ran down the Bengals schedule and on
December fourteenth they play the Ravens. So maybe he doesn't
play that game, maybe he's not ready, well not just
left three games left in the season, and you're going
to know by then whether he's going to be back
or not. I think it'd be very weird to open
this practice window now and for him to not play. However,
(14:36):
to your point of stashing him and protecting him, I
think is a legitimate thought considering how well Joe Flacco
has at least performed for the Bengals. Now he's got
his own shoulder issue that he had before the bye.
But the other question that's brought up, and I know
Ian's loving this as well, is this talk of a
possible trade of Joe Burrow in the offseason and the
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Jets loading up with all the picks, and that being
maybe the team that would be able to throw enough
to Cincinnati for them to say like, Okay, well, if
Joe Burrow is doing exactly what Joe Flacco is doing,
and Flacco's forty one and just came in from Cleveland,
why are we paying Joe Burrow fifty five million dollars
and we can get all these other assets.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think that's part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Now, you wouldn't want him to get hurt in that
and then possibly if you want to detrade him, hurt
his trade value. But even Adam Schefter said that if
Joe Burrow wanted out of Cincinnati, he thinks that he'd
probably likely get his wish because of because ownership would
be willing to deal.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Him because of the financials. Absolutely, come back, yes and
look availability. I always hate the term injury prone because
it is such a violent game. I mean, every guy is.
You know, if we were going to do a video
game power rating, he's probably under ninety percent after the
first series that they play in a given year, and
(15:59):
then you're just managing thereafter. But for Joe Burrow, you're
talking about a guy who's missed significant time on multiple
occasions and has a monster contract. And we know what
it is. Frugal a word we can use here when
we talk about the Bengals organization. You've already paid a
couple cheap. But yeah, okay, we'll go cheap. We'll just
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go straight to it. But I mean you paid a
couple of wide receivers. Great, you can go find another
quarterback linking. As you mentioned, Joe Flacco is a world
beating and he's not a long term solution, but he's
moved the offense quite well, reactivated Chase Brown to a degree.
You're also going to get the Tray Hendrickson money off
the books, which if you can go cheap and pick
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up a bunch of assets, now you've got to do
the job right in the draft. But and then you'll
have more money to spend because Hendrickson comes off the books.
And if you can get that fifty five million gone, yeah,
suddenly you know you can shuffle deck chairs and you've
got a pretty good base with your skilled position. Guys
just need to find the right trigger man.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Even Gronk was saying as much of the Jets and
Joe Burrow ian, have you been hearing that among the
Jets circles.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I have, and I've seen my fair share of jersey swaps,
of course, you know, especially with AI making that so
easy these days. But I just to be honest, guys,
I just can't see it happening. And I'm not saying
that you guys are saying you can necessarily see it
happening or that is likely, but just the thought that
they would trade the most important position in sports when
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you have a consensus top five guy at that position.
And also think about the fact that this is really
the only guy you can point to in recent memory
who's literally like been drafted to be the savior of
a franchise and actually delivered on it and pulled a
franchise that's historically inept and made them perennial contenders. I
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guess like every year that Joe Burrow has been on
the Bengals. Since they made the Super Bowl, they've been
viewed as well, one of the better teams in the league.
You know, then he gets hurt and that everything goes
downhill and spirals after that. But at least going into
each season having Joe Burrow makes you a contender in
the eyes of you know, the media, the fans, everyone
who knows anything about football. So the fact that or
the thought that they would trade someone like that away,
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it's like the sincident. Before Burrow got there, the Bengals
were like the Jets.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well, but they did it fifteen years prior with Carson
Palmer sure, where he threatened to retire, right and they
traded him right. So yeah, but I mean that kind
of thing right where Joe Burrow just says, this is untenable.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And the the other portion of this, which is actually
unfortunate is you made these moves and you know, you
delayed the t Higgins contract situation. Yeah, you got Jamar Chase.
You make these financial decisions because Joe Burrow's your quarterback.
And then ultimately Joe Burrow becomes the casualty because of
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his value, and if the Jets didn't have the number
of picks that they had, You're probably not gonna be
able to do that deal. Like, there's just no there's
no other team that maybe has that arsenal of picks
to be able to do something. I'm sure there are
teams that would love to give four first round picks
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to Cincinnati, they just don't have them. But the Jets
now have those picks and they have a need at quarterback.
So it's an easy connect the dots game. But I
don't blame the conversation considering Joe Flacco has done what
Joe Burrow probably would have needed to do, right. And
so if you're Cincinnati now you're saying, we're gonna pay
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this much X amount more for the same thing that
we were getting. Not that Joe Flacco is going to
play until least forty four years old, but they aren't.
Their money woes aren't going to be going away. When
you're giving so much to Burrow, Chase and Higgins. It's
a crazy situation.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Truly is.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I still think Burrow gives you a lot more than
Flacco can give you, and that even though Flacco's playing well,
I don't think that you know, that's something that you
can really think on consistently, because you know, Flacco in
the same breath as Joe Burrow, at least since Burrow
has been.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I am please do not say that I'm saying Joe
Flacco is the same quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
No, no, at all.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
But what I'm saying, you know, what I'm saying is
the results. They're they're given up. They're given up forty
points a game, They're giving up thirty points a game,
you know, like with it. So so even if Joe
Burrow was there, they're still maybe losing thirty eight to
thirty five shootouts, you.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know, and they're still maybe losing to the ju.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's where you're like, well, what's
the difference here. It'd be difference if they're losing thirty
eight to nine, you know, And then you're saying, well,
if we had Joe Burrow, we wouldn't be scoring nine points. Yeah,
but they it's it's just the fact of their offense
really hasn't missed the beat, right, I mean, yeah, Flatgell
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comes in does his thing and thirty three points, thirty
eight points, and forty two points. So if you don't
make that trade for Flacco, there's probably not a conversation
because Jake Browning sucked enough where you know, and turn
the ball over enough that you're like, man, we really
missed Joe Burrow. Now you see it with Flacco and
you're like, okay, wait a secon how is this going
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to be sustainable in the future. So I think that's
what those questions end up popping up.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah. I just generally also think that again, owing to
the cheapness of ownership, if he can get out from
one of those big contracts, yeah, I think he would
love to reset part of that equation. Now, does that
rule out maybe one of the wide receivers actually getting
sent out of town? No, but you know, Hendrickson'll come
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off the books. They gave him the extra fourteen million
or whatever it was for this year. I don't know
that they that that was going to be the magical elixir.
And I'm frankly I was shocked he wasn't traded at
the deadline. Yeah, right, just we're losing, We're three and six,
we're done. And that's part of the Joe Burrow stash. Right,
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you have the trade scenario or if you are going
to retain him, are you gonna put him out behind
that offensive line for another couple of weeks when he's
already gonna be h compromised coming off this injury.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Sure, yeah, it's well if they did trade him, if
it ultimately happened, Jamar Chase would be one year into
his you know, new extension or you know in the
deal that he signed.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He'd get real pissed. Really yeah, And how great would
Joe Burrow look as a jet though aesthetically or or
just a general I mean, like as a player.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
He Garrett Wilson now is the happiest man alive.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
But it's just.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
There's not been that level of gravitas at that position
since the fur coat wearing dude of sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I'd be dancing on the table.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Of course, the guy was buying a batmobile for crying
out loud.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I love how how interested he was in the dinosaur music.
Remember did you see that clip where they went to
the dinosaur museum and then they showed the He was
micd up at practice the next day, just telling some
random equipment guy all these facts about dinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And how cool it was. Sounds like myself.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He can get on board. Yeah, brody, we found you
a guy there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Oh man, Well, it will be something to follow. I'll
tell you what. It'll keep our interest throughout.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But at least if you Joe Burrow's been sitting on
my ir I've been waiting for him to come.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Back, so that is a welcome sight.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
As again we talk about hitting the stretch of the
fantasy football season. I do want to wrap this episode
up with this conversation because it was a conversation that
we had last week and it was about a guy
that broke out in Week ten. We've been waiting for
it kind of all season, and the scenarios popped up
where Traveon Henderson was able to break through and have
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the game that we had thought that he was going
to have for so long, the Patriots rookie running back
taking not one, but yeah, two big plays to the
house against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and guys, this was
just a conversation that we had last week, right when
we're talking about Traveon Henderson and how the Patriots are
going to use him and what the Patriots have coming
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up in bigger fish to fry. While Traveon Henderson had
one hundred and forty seven yards and the two big
touchdowns against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He still got it
on fourteen carries, which were the same amount of carries
that he had against the Atlanta Falcons the week prior.
This is the workload stuff that we're talking about. So
in a way, guys, I feel very vindicated in terms
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of our Traveon Henderson conversation. So even when Ramandre Stevenson
does come back, I think Stevenson will get your goal
line carries. I don't think New England has I need
desire to add to the workload of Trayvon Henderson. And
because of his freshness, and he even got dinged up
on a play in that game against Tampa and was
able to return and what could have been a scary
(25:11):
knee injury situation. I think that this is what New
England envisioned, that big playability by keeping Trayvon Henderson fresh.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Double digit touches in four of the last five games
now against New Orleans. Not much in the way of benefit,
but all we can ask for is opportunity and starting
to see a bigger share as you move forward. New
England has the lowest remaining strength of schedule. Folks can
mock what they've had to go through thus far right,
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Buffalo and Tampa being the two outliers in terms of
competitors three point thirty eight the remaining winning percentage of
the New England opponents, so more opportunities, and yeah, keeping
a guy fresh, like we've been talking about that with
a number of different players in the in the Running
Backs edition of ten twelve touches and those equals shares
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well with that explosive playmaking ability. He was off to
the races and had enough time to look to the
coaches to make sure they wanted him to score. That's
what we're talking about when we get into these kind
of situations. So, yeah, he's one of those second half
guys that's going to be huge. If you made a
deal for him ahead of your trade deadline, I think
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you're going to be very happy.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It kind of fits in because maybe Joe Burrow comes
back in week twelve when the Bengals face the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There's the perfect way to put a bow on the episode.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
By the way, the Patriots have a bye in week fourteen.
That's the only drawback of all of this is because
it's such a late by final week of the regular
season and some league second to last than others. But
that's the only drawback. But I'm glad we got the
Trevion Henderson conversation and it proved out to be correct.
Fourteen touches against the Falcons the week prior, fourteen carries
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against the against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers actually had fewer
receptions in the game against Tampa than he did against Atlanta.
So that's going to be New England's plan moving forward.
I don't think you were going to see anything different,
but you can see what he can do with those
carries moving forward as well well.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Because you went into the marketplace and you went and
acquired some more shares correctly.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I did.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I just had a feeling that at some point something
was going to happen, and I did get him for
a ninth round pick on the day before Week ten,
on Saturday. I just I, yeah, there was something about it.
I had Romandre Stevenson as well, so I wanted to
be covered in that aspect, but I felt that that
was the time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I had actually wanted to do it the week prior
when Stevenson ended up having his toe injury in dealing
with that, or just to have some insurance I should say,
but yeah, so when Stevenson went out against the Falcons,
it made more of an opportunity for Henderson to get
his shine.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Tiger Woods fist bump for you on Sunday or you know,
one of those giant yeah talking motions.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, it was. It was great.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And plus I mean I was fortunate enough to have
Jonathan Taylor on my roster as well, so it was like, wow,
was it a bit of deja vu all over again
when you.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Get running backs?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Hey, it's our standard league again, so it doesn't get
that high.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But yeah, no, it worked out.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I mean because because and again this is on the
heels of the worst trade that anybody has ever done
in Fantasy that I did earlier this year, to trade uh,
to trade the pieces away.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I got Stevenson in return.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
So then when he went down with that toe injury
against Cleveland, I'm like, man, you know, like this is
this is just the way that it works.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But so I'm glad. I'm glad that Henderson was able
to cash in. And I think we'll.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Continue to see that fourteen carry workload, and when Romandre
Stevenson comes back, he'll probably get ten to fourteen carries,
will be around the goal line. I think I think
both guys will be playable.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I love it. That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And for a ninth round pick, Dan, that's like just
just looking, I'm looking at the average ADP from the
twenty twenty five Fantasy Draft cycle. Guys that were going
in the ninth round this past year were guys like
you know, Brian Robinson, Junior David and Joku, Javonte Williams,
Jordan Mason. Like sure, you know a few of these
panned out like Javonte, but like I'd feel fine giving
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up a ninth.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
If there's I think it's a good rule.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
If there's a guy that you are eyeing on, just
try to make the offer and if you got to
pay more than you can. I benefited from the not
great game against Atlanta. You know, just at some point
you're waiting for Anderson to break out, and unfortunately, unfortunately
it was on a team that was looking to sell
more than buy as they were maybe out of the
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U out of the race in our league. So took
a chance man an offer and it worked.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I dig that, all right, There you go, ninth round pick,
because again, you know, like he was a guy that
was a late Riser. So again that becomes a did
you draft because there was a lot of speculation. I
certainly helped fuel it because I'm not a Stevenson guy
in terms of the ball security issues. Sure wrote about
that as often as I could. But yeah, for a
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ninth round pick, that's just I think that's gonna be
an absolute steal for the second half of the year.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, looking forward to having that. And as you mentioned,
the Patriots schedule is favorable outside of that bye in
Week fourteen, and yep, unfortunately for Ian they've got the
Jets coming up on Thursday night. But hey, stranger things
have happened as we saw so far this NFL season
and in Week ten, like the Saints going to Carolina
and getting that win. But all right, Ian, we'll be
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back on Friday. We'll find out if he's got a
win or out with his Jets against the Patriots. Not likely,
but he'll be here, as will Mike Carmen with his
rankings for Week eleven.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's a new era for the New York Giants. He
is Mike Carmon, I'm Dan Byer. That is Ian Roddy.
We've got our second head coach of the NFL season fired.
First it was Brian Callahan and Tennessee and then earlier
this week Mike Brian Dabole got his walking papers for
the two and eight New York Giants. So a change
in the Big Apple.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Myriad reasons why this comes to pass right, I mean, obviously, record,
you know, terrible, and it's been a dismal effort running
on down the line. You know, we look at the Giants,
I mean since Tom Kauflin walked away, what is this
coach six? Coach seven? That's a decade Okay, so there
there's no innocent parties in any of this in terms
(01:16):
of the decision making. The fact that Joe Shane keeps
his job at least for another seven weeks is just insane.
Trade Deadline's gone find someone else to push paper on
roster moves. But for Dable, I mean, we talked about
it a little bit in the in the episode earlier
in the week, you know, talking about situations at fourth
down calls right the fourth and goal Russell Wilson's in,
(01:40):
Because that's a whole other part of this equation, the
Jackson dart and treatment and looking out for his best
and just now you're not gonna be able to keep
him from, you know, being a runner getting into the
open field. The fact that he seeks out contact is
something he's gonna have to learn and train himself not
to do. Like he looks like that guy that was like, Hey,
(02:01):
I can go lay a hit on this guy because
I'm going full steam in the head. It's like, you're
a quarterback, don't do that. That's just just a bad idea.
The fact that he's been in the blue tent seemingly
every other week, if not every week this season, you
had the fine and all of that stuff is just insane.
But you know, down distance, decision making, fourth quarter collapses,
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you name it, it all piles up. Some reports were
that this was more or less a done deal after Denver.
Remember they scored thirteen points in that fourth quarter and
still lost that game somehow. But all it does is
it moves us forward to the Mike Kafka era, which
you know, selfishly the Northwestern kid played lost a big
(02:47):
shootout bowl game, passed for five hundred yards against Auburn,
a little soft place in the heart. He's well traveled,
has worked with some of the best quarterbacks and mines
in the game. So it looks like and if you
were going to credit Dable Jackson Dart's early assent in
the NFL, how does Kafka not at least get some
of that shine. So it would seem to me, you've
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got an audition here, even if you're down neighbors in Scatabo,
to go and prove that you deserve the job.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, I think it is absolutely in audition, and I
think that's why Joe Shane is still there. And the
messaging from ownership John Marra and Steve Tish is that
Shane's gonna pick the next head coach, and I think
that there's something in line to that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I don't know. I assume stuff was probably done.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Behind the back of Brian Dable, whether it be by
someone in the front office, whether it be maybe by
someone on the coaching staff. But to pin this all
on him, I think sets up for Shane to say, Yeah,
Kafka is the one who made Jackson Dart who he is.
We're gonna get Malik Naghbors back next year. Am Scataboo
(04:00):
should be coming back healthy. We've got a team here,
We've got pieces. Maybe a move some defensive pieces this offseason,
rearrange that a little bit, but you still have good
players there that could be a value.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I think that there is something there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
It was weird, guys, because my social media accounts, specifically
TikTok I somehow in my algorithm got into the Joe
Shane stinks as a GM like portion of TikTok where
there's all these videos of behind the scenes stuff saying like,
look at this guy drafting Jalen Noel and Dave Ball
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didn't want anything to do with it, and all these
other things that I'm like, how are these videos being made,
so there must have been at least some divide, whether
it be within the fan base or something of the
New York Giants. But when I heard that day Ball
was fired, I thought that was Shane gonna finish out
the season and then they'll go from there. But by
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the sounds of it, Shane's gonna stick around, and in turn,
I think Kafka has a legit chance at winning this
job if the Giants just stop blowing all of these
double digit leads in the second half.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, I wondered how much you know you still had
for Shane, particularly the stuff swirling in the background from
that last off season hard knocks stuff that. I mean
that just while I still think it was the right
football move, I like Saquon Barkley, I think everybody does.
But if you're a bad team or running back's not
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giving you an extra four wins, it's just not so
you move on and unfortunately they end up having an
awful season. Last year Eagles win. But all of that,
you know, desperate, Hey, you're gonna call us before you
make a decision stuff, followed by Mara saying, well, I
just can't have that guy go in division and all
(05:53):
of that playing out on national TV just made them
look weak on so many levels. So Dable coming back
might not have had that much support under his feet
to go. But the Shane thing, maybe they agreed with
the decision or pushed the decision to that matter. But yeah,
it's just curious, you know, going forward. Theo Johnson also
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another guy that's been a nice fine for them, second
year guy, over thirty catches for the year and for
people that are still in leagues that used tight ends
the tight end position exclusively, He's probably found his way
onto a number of rosters. But yeah, it'll be interesting
to see how they proceed. Like the odd betting odds
were just wild with some of the names out there. Obviously,
(06:37):
Lane Kiffen is the number one on everybody's list for
any job that opens. I think he might be running
for Senate in a couple of states before it's all
said and done. But you know, you got him, you
got Mike McCarthy's name came up one Belichick I saw
at fifteen to.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
One, Kingsbury was second at five to one, Gruden was
ten to one according to bet online.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
The Gruden one is interesting too, right, But you know,
there's some wild names that are in that mix, and
you just like, wow, that would be interesting. I can
stand for that. It's like, and then you're trying to
think of, all right, how many of these guys have
previous ties to Jackson Dart through his college years or
you know, the recruiting process or whatever. It's like, it's
(07:20):
just a fascinating story to unfold in a massive market.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, there's there's gonna be tons and tons of names.
But if they win games, if they're able to do something,
and I don't know, I don't know how they're gonna
do it, and I don't know if there's gonna be
a move to Jameis Winston, if Jackson Dart is gonna
end up missing games, or how it's going to be done.
But I think that there's I think that there's an
opportunity and for Kafka to get the job full time,
(07:46):
and he has interviewed for head coaching vacancies, so that's
not out of the realm of you know, possibilities. It's
just you know, everything added up with with dayboll And
to have the lead be what it was, and I
just felt like Russell Wilson got a second coach fired,
(08:07):
which again I don't know why Jamis isn't number two.
If you're peeping in the medical tent to get Jackson
Dart back into the game because you don't want the
quarterback that's on the field to begin the game at
that time, then why is he still your backup quarterback?
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Doesn't I wonder something in his contract or something like
that where it's like he can't be any lower on
the depth chart than QB two or something that doesn't
that feel like something Russell Wilson would.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Do, especially after the embarrassment of Denver. Right now, I
don't know how much you could do that, but I mean,
I think it was such a shot to the ego
of them just not playing him and not wanting him
to get hurt so they could let him go. But maybe,
you know, like maybe they said that there's no there's
no injury, you know, guarantees where if you get hurt,
(08:53):
you get hurt, then you're done, you know, to that point.
I I don't know like what it went down or
how it went down. We've heard Jamis Winston get a
lot of praise for what he's done in the locker
room and how much he and Jackson Dart like each other.
And I remember in the preseason when Tommy DeVito is
on the roster, they're all eating the w's and Russell
Wilson was nowhere to be found at any of this.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So there does seem to be at least some.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Unity amongst those quarterbacks or those players, and maybe on
offense as well. And I think Dables an easy target.
But honestly, when you look, Mike, you mentioned the history
of the Giants coaches. I mean Ben McAdoo was fired
with almost a five hundred record, okay, and then you
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had Pat Shermer come in and win nine games in
two seasons. Joe Judge won ten. So I mean it
was yeah, slim pickens.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Slim pickens, but still the mass expectations. I think the
fact that Dark played so well and then they still
were able to blow these these games plays plays out
the quarterback thing like it's just from a fandom standpoint,
take it away from the the analyst or raving lunatic
role like he came in and as a Chicago kid
(10:11):
and a Bears fan like good, it's Russell Wilson. I
don't want Jackson dar hurt. I like watching him. He
plays like his airs on fire. He's fun as hell,
but like Russell comes in, it's like, all right, we
can win this game.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Whereas Jamis has always been a guy that's terrified me
if he's on the other end of a game, because
there there is that electricity, because he's just seems so
damn likable. Wet guys play for him.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
We had Pam Oliver on our show on Sunday and
I asked her if the era went out when Dark
got hurt, and she said absolutely, so. You could feel
it on the sidelines for the Giants that when he
went out of the game, that they're like, oh, here
we go again. And there it went again for the Giants.
Oh yeah. Tough times in New York. Will see if
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they rebound. They've got the Packers coming into the town
green Bay, losers of their last two, both at home.
Maybe getting out of Green Bay will help the Green
and goal, but they're going to face the Giants coming
up on Sunday. Cincinnati Bengals have a showdown with the Steelers.
There's an update on Joe Burrow and a little bit
more of a further conversation on what we had last week.
And maybe the new star out of the backfield in
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the NFL. It is I want earflex. He's Mike Carmen,
that's Ian Rodnie, I'm Dan Byer. More of that next. So,
while Brian Dabole is out of New York, Joe Burrow
back in, just not completely in in Cincinnati, the Bengals
opening up the twenty one day practice window for Burrow
to return from injured reserve. Mike Zach Taylor says that
(11:44):
Joe Burrow is not going to play against the Steelers
in week eleven, but after that.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Who knows. I don't know if it's too little too late.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But for those that have been waiting for Joe Burrow
to come back since Week two, some welcome news earlier
this week.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, look, you still have a bunch of
division games left. You got Pittsburgh, so he's missing that
New England. Then you have the Sandwich Baltimore games with
Buffalo in between, so you want to talk about a
murderer's row, I mean, whatever Pittsburgh is at this point.
And then those next four games before Miami, Arizona and Cleveland.
(12:20):
So we start looking at the fantasy playoffs. So say
we go fifteen to seventeen. You got Baltimore, Miami and Arizona.
Arizona's still a top twelve, top thirteen in terms of
total defense, pointsberg game allowed. So the opportunity is there.
You know, we had in the midweek or earlier in
the week, the waiver wire part of things, just saying hey,
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maybe it's a stash situation to see how he develops.
I don't know that we ever see him on a
field right depending on the outcome of a game or two,
and that is a really quick healing process. Am I
gambling that I'm going to lose this guy forever because
I want to push him back in when we've lost
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what six of our last seven games? I I think
that's just malfeasance. Now it's the Bengals, so I can't
rule that out altogether, and I don't I don't know.
I don't believe Zach Taylor has a hot seat at
this point. Man, how long is this contract? Because Brown
ain't eating any money. So it's like the Bears historically
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before Eberflus, They're not They're not gonna fire him with
money remaining, but for stash purposes. If you've got a
deep enough bench, I'd say you at least play prevent
if you don't have a you know, against someone else,
you may be playing down the stretch. But in terms
of quick activation, man, that's that's a tough call. I guess.
(13:46):
Once he's activated, i'd say, all right, if they feel
strongly enough that his body's gonna hold up, be awful
hard not to start him.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
The other interesting, well, and I think you hit the
nail on the head with how quick this timetable was,
first of all, because we were told mid December, right,
and I think mid December. I think December fifteenth. That's
the middle of December, basically, right, thirty one days smack dab.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
In the middle.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Well, you just ran down the Bengals schedule and on
December fourteenth they play the Ravens. So maybe he doesn't
play that game, maybe he's not ready, well not just
left three games left in the season, and you're going
to know by then whether he's going to be back
or not. I think it'd be very weird to open
this practice window now and for him to not play. However,
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to your point of stashing him and protecting him, I
think is a legitimate thought considering how well Joe Flacco
has at least performed for the Bengals. Now he's got
his own shoulder issue that he had before the bye.
But the other question that's brought up, and I know
Ian's loving this as well, is this talk of a
possible trade of Joe Burrow in the offseason and the
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Jets loading up with all the picks, and that being
maybe the team that would be able to throw enough
to Cincinnati for them to say like, Okay, well, if
Joe Burrow is doing exactly what Joe Flacco is doing,
and Flacco's forty one and just came in from Cleveland,
why are we paying Joe Burrow fifty five million dollars
and we can get all these other assets.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think that's part of it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Now, you wouldn't want him to get hurt in that
and then possibly if you want to detrade him, hurt
his trade value. But even Adam Schefter said that if
Joe Burrow wanted out of Cincinnati, he thinks that he'd
probably likely get his wish because of because ownership would
be willing to deal.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Him because of the financials. Absolutely, come back, yes and
look availability. I always hate the term injury prone because
it is such a violent game. I mean, every guy is.
You know, if we were going to do a video
game power rating, he's probably under ninety percent after the
first series that they play in a given year, and
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then you're just managing thereafter. But for Joe Burrow, you're
talking about a guy who's missed significant time on multiple
occasions and has a monster contract. And we know what
it is. Frugal a word we can use here when
we talk about the Bengals organization. You've already paid a
couple cheap. But yeah, okay, we'll go cheap. We'll just
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go straight to it. But I mean you paid a
couple of wide receivers. Great, you can go find another
quarterback linking. As you mentioned, Joe Flacco is a world
beating and he's not a long term solution, but he's
moved the offense quite well, reactivated Chase Brown to a degree.
You're also going to get the Tray Hendrickson money off
the books, which if you can go cheap and pick
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up a bunch of assets, now you've got to do
the job right in the draft. But and then you'll
have more money to spend because Hendrickson comes off the books.
And if you can get that fifty five million gone, yeah,
suddenly you know you can shuffle deck chairs and you've
got a pretty good base with your skilled position. Guys
just need to find the right trigger man.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Even Gronk was saying as much of the Jets and
Joe Burrow ian, have you been hearing that among the
Jets circles.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I have, and I've seen my fair share of jersey swaps,
of course, you know, especially with AI making that so
easy these days. But I just to be honest, guys,
I just can't see it happening. And I'm not saying
that you guys are saying you can necessarily see it
happening or that is likely, but just the thought that
they would trade the most important position in sports when
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you have a consensus top five guy at that position.
And also think about the fact that this is really
the only guy you can point to in recent memory
who's literally like been drafted to be the savior of
a franchise and actually delivered on it and pulled a
franchise that's historically inept and made them perennial contenders. I
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guess like every year that Joe Burrow has been on
the Bengals. Since they made the Super Bowl, they've been
viewed as well, one of the better teams in the league.
You know, then he gets hurt and that everything goes
downhill and spirals after that. But at least going into
each season having Joe Burrow makes you a contender in
the eyes of you know, the media, the fans, everyone
who knows anything about football. So the fact that or
the thought that they would trade someone like that away,
(18:17):
it's like the sincident. Before Burrow got there, the Bengals
were like the Jets.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Well, but they did it fifteen years prior with Carson
Palmer sure, where he threatened to retire, right and they
traded him right. So yeah, but I mean that kind
of thing right where Joe Burrow just says, this is untenable.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
And the the other portion of this, which is actually
unfortunate is you made these moves and you know, you
delayed the t Higgins contract situation. Yeah, you got Jamar Chase.
You make these financial decisions because Joe Burrow's your quarterback.
And then ultimately Joe Burrow becomes the casualty because of
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his value, and if the Jets didn't have the number
of picks that they had, You're probably not gonna be
able to do that deal. Like, there's just no there's
no other team that maybe has that arsenal of picks
to be able to do something. I'm sure there are
teams that would love to give four first round picks
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to Cincinnati, they just don't have them. But the Jets
now have those picks and they have a need at quarterback.
So it's an easy connect the dots game. But I
don't blame the conversation considering Joe Flacco has done what
Joe Burrow probably would have needed to do, right. And
so if you're Cincinnati now you're saying, we're gonna pay
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this much X amount more for the same thing that
we were getting. Not that Joe Flacco is going to
play until least forty four years old, but they aren't.
Their money woes aren't going to be going away. When
you're giving so much to Burrow, Chase and Higgins. It's
a crazy situation.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Truly is.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
I still think Burrow gives you a lot more than
Flacco can give you, and that even though Flacco's playing well,
I don't think that you know, that's something that you
can really think on consistently, because you know, Flacco in
the same breath as Joe Burrow, at least since Burrow
has been.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I am please do not say that I'm saying Joe
Flacco is the same quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
No, no, at all.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
But what I'm saying, you know, what I'm saying is
the results. They're they're given up. They're given up forty
points a game, They're giving up thirty points a game,
you know, like with it. So so even if Joe
Burrow was there, they're still maybe losing thirty eight to
thirty five shootouts, you.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know, and they're still maybe losing to the ju.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's where you're like, well, what's
the difference here. It'd be difference if they're losing thirty
eight to nine, you know, And then you're saying, well,
if we had Joe Burrow, we wouldn't be scoring nine points. Yeah,
but they it's it's just the fact of their offense
really hasn't missed the beat, right, I mean, yeah, Flatgell
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comes in does his thing and thirty three points, thirty
eight points, and forty two points. So if you don't
make that trade for Flacco, there's probably not a conversation
because Jake Browning sucked enough where you know, and turn
the ball over enough that you're like, man, we really
missed Joe Burrow. Now you see it with Flacco and
you're like, okay, wait a secon how is this going
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to be sustainable in the future. So I think that's
what those questions end up popping up.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah. I just generally also think that again, owing to
the cheapness of ownership, if he can get out from
one of those big contracts, yeah, I think he would
love to reset part of that equation. Now, does that
rule out maybe one of the wide receivers actually getting
sent out of town? No, but you know, Hendrickson'll come
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off the books. They gave him the extra fourteen million
or whatever it was for this year. I don't know
that they that that was going to be the magical elixir.
And I'm frankly I was shocked he wasn't traded at
the deadline. Yeah, right, just we're losing, We're three and six,
we're done. And that's part of the Joe Burrow stash. Right,
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you have the trade scenario or if you are going
to retain him, are you gonna put him out behind
that offensive line for another couple of weeks when he's
already gonna be h compromised coming off this injury.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Sure, yeah, it's well if they did trade him, if
it ultimately happened, Jamar Chase would be one year into
his you know, new extension or you know in the
deal that he signed.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
He'd get real pissed. Really yeah, And how great would
Joe Burrow look as a jet though aesthetically or or
just a general I mean, like as a player.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
He Garrett Wilson now is the happiest man alive.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
But it's just.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
There's not been that level of gravitas at that position
since the fur coat wearing dude of sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
I'd be dancing on the table.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Of course, the guy was buying a batmobile for crying
out loud.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I love how how interested he was in the dinosaur music.
Remember did you see that clip where they went to
the dinosaur museum and then they showed the He was
micd up at practice the next day, just telling some
random equipment guy all these facts about dinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And how cool it was. Sounds like myself.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He can get on board. Yeah, brody, we found you
a guy there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Oh man, Well, it will be something to follow. I'll
tell you what. It'll keep our interest throughout.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But at least if you Joe Burrow's been sitting on
my ir I've been waiting for him to come.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Back, so that is a welcome sight.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
As again we talk about hitting the stretch of the
fantasy football season. I do want to wrap this episode
up with this conversation because it was a conversation that
we had last week and it was about a guy
that broke out in Week ten. We've been waiting for
it kind of all season, and the scenarios popped up
where Traveon Henderson was able to break through and have
(24:04):
the game that we had thought that he was going
to have for so long, the Patriots rookie running back
taking not one, but yeah, two big plays to the
house against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and guys, this was
just a conversation that we had last week, right when
we're talking about Traveon Henderson and how the Patriots are
going to use him and what the Patriots have coming
(24:25):
up in bigger fish to fry. While Traveon Henderson had
one hundred and forty seven yards and the two big
touchdowns against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He still got it
on fourteen carries, which were the same amount of carries
that he had against the Atlanta Falcons the week prior.
This is the workload stuff that we're talking about. So
in a way, guys, I feel very vindicated in terms
(24:49):
of our Traveon Henderson conversation. So even when Ramandre Stevenson
does come back, I think Stevenson will get your goal
line carries. I don't think New England has I need
desire to add to the workload of Trayvon Henderson. And
because of his freshness, and he even got dinged up
on a play in that game against Tampa and was
able to return and what could have been a scary
(25:11):
knee injury situation. I think that this is what New
England envisioned, that big playability by keeping Trayvon Henderson fresh.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Double digit touches in four of the last five games
now against New Orleans. Not much in the way of benefit,
but all we can ask for is opportunity and starting
to see a bigger share as you move forward. New
England has the lowest remaining strength of schedule. Folks can
mock what they've had to go through thus far right,
(25:40):
Buffalo and Tampa being the two outliers in terms of
competitors three point thirty eight the remaining winning percentage of
the New England opponents, so more opportunities, and yeah, keeping
a guy fresh, like we've been talking about that with
a number of different players in the in the Running
Backs edition of ten twelve touches and those equals shares
(26:04):
well with that explosive playmaking ability. He was off to
the races and had enough time to look to the
coaches to make sure they wanted him to score. That's
what we're talking about when we get into these kind
of situations. So, yeah, he's one of those second half
guys that's going to be huge. If you made a
deal for him ahead of your trade deadline, I think
(26:24):
you're going to be very happy.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
It kind of fits in because maybe Joe Burrow comes
back in week twelve when the Bengals face the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
There's the perfect way to put a bow on the episode.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
By the way, the Patriots have a bye in week fourteen.
That's the only drawback of all of this is because
it's such a late by final week of the regular
season and some league second to last than others. But
that's the only drawback. But I'm glad we got the
Trevion Henderson conversation and it proved out to be correct.
Fourteen touches against the Falcons the week prior, fourteen carries
(26:56):
against the against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers actually had fewer
receptions in the game against Tampa than he did against Atlanta.
So that's going to be New England's plan moving forward.
I don't think you were going to see anything different,
but you can see what he can do with those
carries moving forward as well well.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Because you went into the marketplace and you went and
acquired some more shares correctly.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I did.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I just had a feeling that at some point something
was going to happen, and I did get him for
a ninth round pick on the day before Week ten,
on Saturday. I just I, yeah, there was something about it.
I had Romandre Stevenson as well, so I wanted to
be covered in that aspect, but I felt that that
was the time.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I had actually wanted to do it the week prior
when Stevenson ended up having his toe injury in dealing
with that, or just to have some insurance I should say,
but yeah, so when Stevenson went out against the Falcons,
it made more of an opportunity for Henderson to get
his shine.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Tiger Woods fist bump for you on Sunday or you know,
one of those giant yeah talking motions.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, it was. It was great.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
And plus I mean I was fortunate enough to have
Jonathan Taylor on my roster as well, so it was like, wow,
was it a bit of deja vu all over again
when you.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Get running backs?
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Hey, it's our standard league again, so it doesn't get
that high.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
But yeah, no, it worked out.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I mean because because and again this is on the
heels of the worst trade that anybody has ever done
in Fantasy that I did earlier this year, to trade uh,
to trade the pieces away.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I got Stevenson in return.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
So then when he went down with that toe injury
against Cleveland, I'm like, man, you know, like this is
this is just the way that it works.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
But so I'm glad. I'm glad that Henderson was able
to cash in. And I think we'll.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Continue to see that fourteen carry workload, and when Romandre
Stevenson comes back, he'll probably get ten to fourteen carries,
will be around the goal line. I think I think
both guys will be playable.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I love it. That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And for a ninth round pick, Dan, that's like just
just looking, I'm looking at the average ADP from the
twenty twenty five Fantasy Draft cycle. Guys that were going
in the ninth round this past year were guys like
you know, Brian Robinson, Junior David and Joku, Javonte Williams,
Jordan Mason. Like sure, you know a few of these
panned out like Javonte, but like I'd feel fine giving
(29:23):
up a ninth.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
If there's I think it's a good rule.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
If there's a guy that you are eyeing on, just
try to make the offer and if you got to
pay more than you can. I benefited from the not
great game against Atlanta. You know, just at some point
you're waiting for Anderson to break out, and unfortunately, unfortunately
it was on a team that was looking to sell
more than buy as they were maybe out of the
(29:47):
U out of the race in our league. So took
a chance man an offer and it worked.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I dig that, all right, There you go, ninth round pick,
because again, you know, like he was a guy that
was a late Riser. So again that becomes a did
you draft because there was a lot of speculation. I
certainly helped fuel it because I'm not a Stevenson guy
in terms of the ball security issues. Sure wrote about
that as often as I could. But yeah, for a
(30:14):
ninth round pick, that's just I think that's gonna be
an absolute steal for the second half of the year.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, looking forward to having that. And as you mentioned,
the Patriots schedule is favorable outside of that bye in
Week fourteen, and yep, unfortunately for Ian they've got the
Jets coming up on Thursday night. But hey, stranger things
have happened as we saw so far this NFL season
and in Week ten, like the Saints going to Carolina
and getting that win. But all right, Ian, we'll be
(30:41):
back on Friday. We'll find out if he's got a
win or out with his Jets against the Patriots. Not likely,
but he'll be here, as will Mike Carmen with his
rankings for Week eleven.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So for the guys, I'm Dan Byer. We can't wait
to talk to you next time right here, and I
want your FLEs
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