October 30, 2024 • 36 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! With all three of their NFL teams suffering heartbreaking losses in Week 8, Dan Beyer, Mike Harmon and producer Ian Roddy have a roundtable discussion on the state of the New York Jets, Chicago Bears and Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Mike Harmon. Mike and Dan break down everything you need
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The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now
let's get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Misery loves company and if you need company, you found
the right place. Hit Mike up at Swolmadov. You can
find me at Dan Byer on Box. The show's executive
director as Ian Roddy Ian Jets are two and six.
Mike's Bears had absolute heartbreak against the watching the Commanders
and my Seahawks. Basically no showed against the Buffalo Bills.
So that's the week that we got guys with our
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teams in week eight, a week that we talked about
where everybody played.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So there's sixteen winners and sixteen losers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But there are just some losers that are maybe a
little bit bigger and I don't want to say more important.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But just have more of an effect than some others.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, yeah, I mean, we're talking about expectations and hope
being brought in. You know, it's that dangerous thing, you know,
the best of things. You know, every day you wake
up with the chance to go one to er and
for the for us, well we went on in three
for our football teams, but they were losses that meant
I think much more right, you know, doing the show
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on Monday Night with Jason Smith, he tried to lay
my fears him being a Jets fan. I think he
was just trying to deflect my way. Ian'll have his
chance to volley back again here in a second. But
it's like, no, no, that's that's a game you played
terribly and still had a chance to steal it and
then you said no, I don't want it and gave
it back for me. It also meant the end of
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a couple of Guillotine League efforts because I became the
low scorer after some pretty good weeks Week one through seven.
Well this one fell by doom. But you know, for
the Jets, great expectations coming into the year. Here's going
to be a run. Oh now they add DeVante Adams,
the offense is gonna be great for your Seahawks. Yeah,
there's a wide outs to dual running backs. All this
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is gonna be great. So yeah, it's just for the
midpoint in the season. There was a lot of shrugging going, well,
what the hell are we at this point, which is,
you know, the worst place to be as opposed to
all right, we're either really bad or really good or
right now we're just kind of spiraling and trying to
figure out, you know, whether we can spin our wheels forward.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I actually want to start with Ian's Jets. I know
we do a lot of Jets talk here, but just
fantasy wise right now. On our last podcast, I had
a survivor pick in one of those or the Jets,
because I just didn't see a way where they could
lose that game.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And yet they.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Somehow found a way, whether it be zerline missfield goals,
whether it be penalties, whether it be third and longs,
they somehow find found a way to lose that game
to New England. And now I'm sitting there. You mentioned
a guillotine League. I've got Breis Hall in the Guillotine League.
Garrett Wilson is owned by pretty much everyone. You mentioned
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Devonte Adams. Now you're like, well, how much value will
these players have on a season that now eight games
in seems totally lost. Like I'm still playing these guys,
but the value that you got from DeVante Adams or
Garrett Wilson hasn't been there this season. Hall's been an
up and down mess and now I can't expect things
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to get any better. It's just it's an absolute empty
pit of sadness with the New York Jets this year,
not only with Ian's fandom but also fantasy wise.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
In the future doesn't even look much better.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean, I it's tough as a Jets fan.
I'm so used to it though at this point that
it's just it's just another year.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's worse young Dan, he's so young, and he's already
at this jaded phase, just.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
The state of acceptance, right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But I mean, at this point, I feel like I'm
almost more glad now that they that that we that
we know that this is who they are. They they
weren't going to string us along the rest of the year.
At Least we now know it's done. Season's over. At
least start looking forward to next year. There's nothing to
look forward to, but at least you can start moving.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Is what is your We joked that you were born
in the year two thousand. Yeah, what is your high
point memory of a Jets fan?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Probably the the UH nine and ten back to back
AFC champions last time they were actually good, like they
legitimately have not been good since then when.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I was so you were nine, fourth grade. Yeah, that's
and it's a shame.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Haven't made the playoffs since.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The Seahawks made the AFC Championship game in nineteen eighty three.
I was six at that point, so not even I
remember that. I'm beating the Dolphins the week before. I
remember them then going to play the Raiders and losing
at the La Colisseum and being a game away from
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the Super Bowl, and then the Raiders obviously going win
the Super Bowl. But for then for the next honestly,
they had a playoff appearance the next year, and then
in the late eighties they had another appearance, a couple
of appearances, like eighty seven, but they they lost a
wild card game to the Oilers. They lost a playoff
game to the Bengals, and the Bengals were really good
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with Boomerosyasin, and then it was just dry after that.
And that's how I kind of so I can relate
a little bit to what you're feeling. But when you
only your only like high point memory, and I'm sure
Mike does as well with the Bears in eighty five, like,
it stinks. Yeah, it stinks when your core like years
of your teenage years, when honestly that's when you're the
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biggest fan as well. But then you carry it into adulthood.
Now you don't have much to cheer for. Yeah, I
get it, I feel you.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, I had a crazy run, right, So eighty four
lose them, the four forty nine ers huge, right, great,
great squad. Eighty five you get the Super Bowl. Then
you know there's still a double digit win team through
the end of the eighties and into the early now.
But like that was when you know, a peak, you know,
finishing playing because my legs got torn up and I
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just remember, you know, recovering from a surgery, you know,
dealing and watching the Bears runs at that point, and
you know, people coming over because you know, I'm not playing,
So it's like all right, after games, it became hang
out at the Harmon's kind of thing, so you know,
so we have all that and otherwise, I mean it's
been popped up on the radar. And there were some
good years in the Lovey Smith era, but it was
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all about finishing. You had the odd bawl year of
the Super Bowl against Manning and Company down in Miami,
which is always remembered just for print singing Purple Rain.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
In the Rain.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But otherwise it's you know, there's been some false starts
in this year. You know, I started to buy into it.
I never believed in ebra fluce, but that they might
over the overcome that.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
So you know, it's that frustration.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But yeah, you think back, it's like, wow, the core
memories of your childhood my eighty three White Sox, the
eighty five Bears and a.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Whole lot of nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And the Bulls were great, but basketball was always a
distant third, at least in our fandom in the house,
not that we didn't play a lot of it, but yeah,
it's yeah, it's it's at.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Least the Bears have hope now though you know you
have klebs looking up.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You do.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
But it's also the as with you and the Jets,
and you could say for this year, right is you
were expecting, all right, we're gonna jump off and we're
gonna do it, and it becomes this dangerous thing where
all of a sudden it's like, all right, do we
really have what we needed to do?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's part of what I was saying to Dan and
Carrie Rhoades literally just yesterday after the loss, I was saying, like,
how if for Jets fans and the Jets franchise themselves,
if this season didn't work out, what can like, how
can you ever get excited for us again? Because if
this didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What can It's Yeah, longest, it's the longest streak of
the NFL, and there's no end in sight. Yeah, and
this is supposed to be your build up and now
they're like blow the whole thing up, and you're like
it's already blown up, Like this is an absolute mess.
Where do we go from here? But it is true,
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like there's more tearing down to do and.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
And the funniest part is that I was just saying
how I said that to you and Carrie Rhoades. Carrie
was on the Jets the last time I saw them,
be sure, So that's how That's how long ago it was.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, when we got done with the show on Sunday,
Carrie was you know, he wears he doesn't wear his
heart on his sleeve, but he wears some Jet pride
with him for his time there. And just even when
he walked in, it was like, man, here we go again.
And a Cardinals victory over the Dolphins couldn't even take
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a replace any of the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
The Jets sorrow.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well, but that's I mean, he's known as a jet, right,
you know, the biggest moments of his career as a Jet,
and certainly this was going to be the year and
you speak to it so well, Ian is all right,
this is where it all comes together.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Now, I always thought.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And Dan he could disagree with me if you will,
but Joe Douglas seemingly knew what he was doing in
terms of roster construction. And then they sold their soul
to the devil bring an old number eight in Yeah,
and all the direction purpose whatever was building got sidetracked.
Did I ever believe Robert Salas should have been a
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full you know, a head coach. No, but you at
least had built an infrastructure that you know, you should
have been insulated from that to a degree. And now
it's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So not I want to move off the Jets just
for a second, Jets because you mentioned eb flus and.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Yeah I got problems with it. No, I mean I
already did so, yeah, I already did.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
This is just another paragraph on a Wikipedia page from
where I sit.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So how does a Bears fan rationalize what happened on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Well, I think you just go to the base denominators.
This guy's not a head coach, just going back to
the Robert Salad thing. Like last year he got emboldened
by and in the off season, right because the defense
played so well after what Montes sweat came over and
and you saw what he was able to do. And
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as a defensive coordinator, just like Robert Sala, there's a
lot to like he's just orchestrating that side of things.
But from a game management, clock management personnel, like even
the defensive side of it, they got they got cute
like lost in all of the hoopla over the final plays.
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He got off the hook for running the offense, damn
linemen at the goal on because the defense got the
ball back and then they were able to punch it in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Such a problem with that, I have so.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Many you like you don't have the margin of error
at this point to get cute. You played terribly the
entire damn game, right. I said it on the show
with Smith, you know, yelling at him when he was
trying to tell me it was gonna be okay because
they've got the pieces of place like you don't have
the margins of errors. And this isn't the eighty five Bears,
where William the Refrigerator Perry's coming in when it's thirty
one to three. This is your down in a game. Yeah,
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in the final minutes of a game, and you get
cute like that. You deserved it. Now they almost stole
that game, and then the football God said you don't
deserve it, so blank you and Stevenson obviously was the
muse by which that message was communicated.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I looked up William Refrigerator Perry's statistics from nineteen eighty
five because not to make it sound like an echo, Mike,
but I said the same thing. I said the same
thing on Monday when the Bears were doing that stuff
in eighty five. They were actually up fourteen to seven
against the Packers, and they kind of wanted to stuff
it in Brian Noble's face. The Packers linebacker packer bear
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rivalry obviously a big deal back then, and so they
did it in that game. They did it then two
other times that year, and those were in finals that
were forty four to nothing and thirty six nothing. Those
are the outcomes of the games, not down twelve to
seven was seven minutes to go like it is. It's
just blasphemy. And then I'm not even counting the Super
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Bowl won against the Patriots for his four touchdowns, but
those were the four times that they used William Perry.
And maybe people look back at it and because it's
been forty years think that the refrigerator Perry had twelve touchdowns. No,
he scored three touchdowns in the regular season and won
in the Super Bowl, and then I think he threw
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for one.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's it wasn't like this massive thing. So to do
it in that sinna with a game on the line
is just blasphemy. And then how they handled the play
prior to the hil Mary Oh Boy and letting Washington
just get a free thirteen yards or whatever it was
and then get out of bounds. I just you know,
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to me, the whole Tyreek Stevenson thing covers up how
much Eberflus almost cost their game for the Bears because
they were winning at the time, but then completely covers
up the airs that he actually did make on the
play before, on the on the handoff you know, to
your offensive lineman and giving it to Doug Kramer in
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that scenario just completely completely covers up how bad it was.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, folks, and folks can point to you know, and
ebra Flues doubled down on it on Monday, which is
just asinine to me on a whole other level. And reminder,
the only reason he came back is because he's still
had a contract.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Right, is when when it's all because look, your ideal
thing is you reset fully, here's your new quarterback, here's
a new OC. And we can talk about Waldron until
we're blue in the face. But for the moment he
gets he gets a pass. Here for a moment we're
making this about Eberflus is is that you know, you
clean house and maybe your GM goes too, and you
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push forward. But because of the Bears and the in
Chicago in general, they don't eat contracts. There he is
back at you, and in hard knocks it was all
about his beard and all that other crap.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
But you go.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
And you have this the sequence with the with Kramer
and the ball at the goal line, and your defense
does a great job and comes back and gets you
the ball back so you can drive down for the touchdown.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But that's that final sequence is just some of the
most abhorrent pathetic football I've ever seen. Camlub Williams is
about to lose his mind on that play. The completion
to McLaurin, like watching the ISO on to him before
we even get to the Stevenson ISO and everything from
the end zone shot and all that is just that
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you're not defending it at all, right, I mean, he's
already shown and folks are like, well, if they get
it down to the forty, it's like the time will
run out. If he gets down inside in the forty,
you're not getting your team up to get another snap
if it's a twenty five yard game or whatever in
the middle of the field, So that part is lost.
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They were out of timeouts. The Bears, on the other hand,
once they did complete the past to McLaurin, there's where
you could have taken a time out. Hey, let's make
sure we're all on the same damp page. Instead, you
got this idiot screaming at the fans, cheering with Bears
fans and mocking commanders and guys are midway into their
pass route before he turns around and says, oh crap, hey,
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I'll be right back over. It's like a Beer League
softball game. You're talking, trying to talk up the woman
in the third row. I know, man, Yeah, it's like again,
it's oh wait, I gotta go make a That's what
he did, and he blew it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And the two parts of that number one when you
watch the graphic, if you see it again, you will
see on the bare side of things, they have all
three of their timeouts.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That is absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They did need it there. There was some confusion at
the end of the game. It actually worked out in
their favor in terms of working the clock offensively for
what they would have hoped towards the end. At least
we thought at the time. It did get Harry there
for a little bit. But yeah, they had all three
of their timeouts. And again where Stevenson was coming from.
Because he's supposed to box out Noah Brown, he actually
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gets a running start. And that's why I think he
gets higher than everyone because he's running from the side, yep,
because everybody else is kind of jumping flat footed almost
because they're in that group. That's why he gets higher
and then just tries to deflect it, you know, bat
it down if you will, and it goes behind to
Noah Brown, the guy that he was supposed to be
boxing out, you.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Know, the guy he was supposed to actually, yeah, preventing
from catching said football.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Because the other thing is right, when.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Folks tried to dismiss it, Eberflus, I know folks on
the network and other networks trying.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's it's that that thirteen to fifteen yards wherever we
want to spot it, depending on your box score, doesn't matter.
The point is Daniels couldn't get the ball all the
way to the end zone. Even after that, Yes, you're
right right, it still came up what seven yards short,
five yards short whatever it is before the tip drills
to Brown in the end zone. So yeah, telling me
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that play didn't matter, you're kidding yourself. And I also
heard a couple of promos of you can't you won't
call holding No, that was pretty ingregious, old sure, now
should you have maybe rushed another guy. You can get
into all of that, but the point is, you know,
it did buy Daniels a couple extra seconds to go.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
When the guy's get mugged.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They actually had a spy on, like there was a
guy that was not pressuring Daniels. They ran, you know,
they ran three and one of their linebackers is just like, well,
if you're not going to go after him, then he
might as well get your butt down field.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, you might want just didn't make any sense. All right.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We got to take a time out, this therapy session
free of charge, don't have to run it through insurance
or anything. As sports fans, for us, we appreciate you
letting us vent our our frustrations. By the way, we
didn't even get to the Seahawks. So that's a completely
other story, maybe for another time. On the other side,
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I'll just give you my two minute play on that.
But it does give a topic that I do want
to bring up, and it has to do with what
we talked about, the winning championships portion of it better
as a kid or as an adult. Okay, so we're
going to dive into that next. He's Mike Carmen I'm
Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy. This is I want your flex.
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It is I want your flex. He is Mike Carmen.
That's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Bayer. All I'm going to
say about the Seahawks is this, they haven't had a
center since Max Hunger.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And it's no.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Disrespect to Connor Williams or all the other guys that
they've tried to put into that spot. They haven't drafted
for it. They did use a first round pick on
Charles Cross a couple of years ago, as they're left
tackle hoping to become a piece of the of the
Seahawks puzzle moving forward. But their offensive line right now
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is just an absolute mess. Without dk Mettgath can do
anything on offense. Against Buffalo again, they're like my golf swing,
it's a two way miss. But I'm starting to really
think that this lack of running game is going to
hurt them. Not if it's not for Kenneth Walker's great
ability to miss tackles or Genosmith's ability to play Houdini
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half the time, they'd be getting killed. So that's that's
the problem with the Seahawks right now. But they're in
year one of a new regime. Just a matter of
if John Schneider can turn things over as a GM
and maybe not do things the Pete Carroll way in
these next couple of drafts. But we shall see.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It's always the question of Reese and reboot. Like there's
a lot of good component parts there. Yeah, it's just
a you know, what's what's the next piece of the
puzzle that comes in? I mean I and that division
right now is up for grabs, so like you can't
really right right off right as much as maybe maybe
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you're not at the level of the Bills.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Still there's a there's a lot of football.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, and you know what, I think our teams are
all in different spots and our histories are different. I
think I'm in the more advantageous just because my team
did win a Super Bowl ten years ago as opposed
to you know, Mike's almost forty years ago and Ian's
past it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I's grandparents super Bowl like negative Still you.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Still, yeah, you still hang your hat on that one. Ian.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You ever run in these Super Bowl three smack at anybody?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You know?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, nobody care a little tongue che.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Mi g I guaranteed a Super Bowl jerks at that point,
it's like, I don't even know if you'd almost rather
just not have your franchise having one one just because
it's like that long ago.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
This I think there's an argument to be made for it.
I do it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's it's funny because as we were talking in the
success and Ian hasn't seen a Super Bowl in his lifetime,
and and I gotta look up the playoff drought was
was twenty ten the last time for the Jets.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, they might have snuck it, Yeah, twenty ten.
I think they missed it in eleven. Okay, I couldn't
be wrong on that, but it was either ten or
eleven that since then it's been since.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Then, that is that's that's a long time.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I feel like in any major sports league, if you
missed the playoffs for you know, an entire decade, I
think the owners should be forced to sell.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
But I like that. I just think just for the
sake of parody.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well, well, now with the expanded playoffs, there are only
there are only four teams that haven't played a playoff
game in this new format. The Jets are one. The
Broncos haven't. Their last playoff game was Super Bowl fifty
when they beat the Panthers. Yeah, and the Panthers and
Falcons haven't made the playoffs in six seasons. Otherwise, every
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other team in the NFL at least has had a
playoff game within this new format, which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And even the Raiders. Yeah sorry Raiders, man, but.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Now but I mean, look good. They're on the radar.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And obviously the franchises were worth a lot more money, so.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Sure, that's good.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The funny thing that when I look back at this, though,
is when we were talking about the Seahawks in their
time in the nineteen eighties, as I said, I remember
eighty three, eighty four. Then they ended up making it
in the playoffs, and I believe it's eighty seven to
eighty eight, and then it was basically the entire nineties
they didn't they didn't do anything, and it was that
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is like that's prime childhood for me. Like that is
that's I graduated high school in nineteen ninety five. So
everything prior to that stunk. Everything after that in college stunk.
There wasn't anything. It wasn't until Mike Holmgren came along
and they ended up winning the division and they lost
to Dan Marino and the Dolphins in a playoff game,
and like the in nineteen ninety nine, which is Dan
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Marino's final win as a quarterback. But the point being
is I look back and obviously the Seahawks started winning
in two thousand and four with Home Grand in the
new regime, and it's been basically pretty good success since then.
So it's a weird feeling because I went without it
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so much. But I'm as I look back at the
super Bowl that they won ten years ago, I almost wish,
guys that I would have had that as a kid.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think I would have appreciated it more.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't or if it would have just maybe maybe
I would have been a spoiled fan at that point.
But in terms of the you know, in terms of
determining would I want the championship when I was a
kid or when I was an adult, I'm almost I'm almost.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Wondering if it would have been better if I was
a kid.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I I you know, Mike, you had you said yours
in eighty five, I mean, would you trade eighty five
for one right now?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I was twelve then, and then I got the the
White Sox in two thousand and five since we're still
as we record this, you know, talking World Series and
everything else is you know, that sweep of the Astros.
I got to go to Game two and my older
daughter had been born in September.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Like that was.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That was everything, Like that playoff run and that White
Sox team.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
You know all of those guys.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Still go back and forth on Twitter with several guys
from that team. You know, just relationships she build over
over time, bit by bit. But you know, the eighty
five Bears. Like again, I was sidelined with some you know,
surgery and whatever watching that playoff run and and some
of the camaraderie there and just quiet moments that you
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know as much as you were, you know, just kind
of hanging around watching games.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
The family gathered, I think more at that point.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Like now it's fractured and obviously what we do for
a living and we love every minute of it. You know,
for all you listening out there, we're blessed to what
we do. But we don't get to just sit in
groups to watch games. You're in a studio Sunday afternoons. Ian,
You're in the studio Sunday afternoons. I'm in early previewing games,
and then you know, it becomes the kid run around
(25:40):
or you know, trying to catch games as you can.
Back then, it was simpler and you wore your heart
on your sleeve. That doesn't mean you're not You're not
still the same fan. And I've talked about it where
I I just you know the show I do with
with Jason Smith, you know, Jets and Mets and Knicks.
While at times you know there's the I want to
throttle you because it's obsessive. I'm jealous of it to
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a degree as well, because he is still so much
a little kid when it comes to his fandom.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Whereas I think.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
In general, you know, the pragmatic approach, the all right,
i'm gonna sit and watch this from a different lens
thing takes over for me way too much to where
I can't just, you know, be the fan that I
was when I was twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And the most difficult thing about talking like that is
we're talking to you the listeners out there who have
a completely different perspective than what we have.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And it's the one it's the one thing that is so.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I That's why I talk about like our teams like
there was a there was a point, Mike where people
felt like, you can't have can't have a favorite team,
shows your bias.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And now I'm bad.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Anybody that tells me that I question everything that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I agree, well, because we're in entertainment. But it's also
another way for me to relate to you as a fan.
If you're listening to this.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
There are certain sports and teams.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That have gone by the wayside, but there there are
still a few that you know, you live and die
with at this point, and so so it's the one
point of connection that I still want to have. So
you bring that up with Jason that he still has that.
I do kind of sometimes feel that with football and
can be a bit jaded, But you know, I don't
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if the Seahawks would have won a Super Bowl when
I was, you know, in nineteen ninety nine, let's just
say even early, if they.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When I was in high school.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
If they go and win Super Bowl in nineteen ninety
three or nineteen ninety four and then go the next
thirty years without winning one, I don't I I think
I would have a huge amount of frustration. And I
only just say that because the Sea. I'm frustrated with
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the Seahawks for we're going on ten years now and
I just don't think that they've had a super Bowl
caliber team. And then I look at what Ian's dealing
with and he's gone on thirteen straight years of not
even having a Playoff caliber team, right, you know, like
it's just so there's just so many different levels of
like how I look at try to rationalize it, and
(28:20):
all right, am I am? I spoiled as a fan,
and you know, how do I look at it this way?
But man to be able to take what I had
or what and to win a championship when you can
brag to your friends and rub it into your firm friends,
that'd probably be the the cherry on top for me.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
As a kid.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
As a kid, I feel like everything's so much more
black and white, like when you win or you lose,
you know, where as an adult you're so much more
And I guess it's not the same for everyone, but
as an adult, in theory, there's a higher level of
understanding as to what goes into winning a championship, So
maybe the payoff can be bigger, but less giddiness as
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to what Mike was saying about Jason how he's still
somehow has that childish, childlike giddiness.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll tell you one thing about being a being a kid,
The years were long, so like non football season was forever, right,
like to go like from the end of the season. Now,
when you're an adult, you're like, oh, jeez, football, you know,
I have football's yere, Wow, it's three weeks away.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like probably that was fast. Just seems like we're at
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
When you're a kid, that is not the case, because
you're in a different grade, you're in a different maybe
social structure, you have different friends, you have you know this,
and that like everything is so different when you're a
kid because there isn't this real, I don't know, real
grasp on time. And maybe it's better that way, but
each season is almost cherished because you just feel that,
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oh man, there's gonna be a point when we don't
have this, you know, in a couple of months, and
it's going to be such a tough time without it.
Like to me, it was just it took forever, and
now the seasons longer. I get that, so the off
season is a little bit shorter, But it just seemed
for me to take forever to get from the Super
Bowl to the start of next season when you're a kid.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, and I think to Ian's point about what you know,
you see the saw, how the sausage is made, not
just us, you know, doing what we do in the
conversations that we have, you know, with people we interview,
you know, the insiders, experts, whatever, but you know everybody.
And this is again relating back to you know, to
all of you listening and giving us a few minutes
of your time. I mean, it's greatly appreciated that that
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camaraderie and that kinship that we feel over this, right,
the highs and lows, the emotional stuff that goes with it,
is just that the off season now is not really
an off season, right. All the transactional stuff matters. Before
it was just all right, when did the game start?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Get me? Get me to a Sunday morning? Right?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
For us, it was if we were at a card show.
Someone had to have a TV doing baseball card shows
as a teenager, so it was like, so there had
to be a big TV sitting there somewhere, as big
as one as you had in the late eighties, in
the early nineties and or the radio was turned up,
you went to early mass, you grabbed.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Your your donuts and away you went. And then at noon,
because it was always a noon's kickoff for the Bears,
you had a noon kickoff, and you know, going into
the other sports, right, I had that run.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
With the Bulls, Well that's a lifetime ago, right. The
black Hawks had a had a quick run with tays
And and Caine, and that came and went pretty fast
to where they're back to whatever they've got badard and
maybe there's there's hope, but hopees you know again, it's like,
all right, we'll see you know what kind of roster
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rounds out around him, but you know all of it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
And White Tucks just lost one hundred and twenty one games.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So I looked nostalgically even more so at the video
clips of that two thousand and five squad. So whenever
they actually get included in a list, right, it was, hey,
here's the teams that you know I finished off sweeps
in recent marriage.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There's a two thousand and five White sock. See you
didn't get to leave him off for that graphic.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Uh good times against now league rival Houston. So well,
there you go, you know, tis times has changed. Hey,
the Seahawks got thrown against the Broncos. If you would
have told me that in nineteen eighty seven, I would
have thought.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You were crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
See there you go, Yeah, that would be impossible. I
do think this is a good spot to wrap it up. Ian,
will you tell us who your favorite NBA team is?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I'm actually a Warriors fan because okay, yeah, I lived
in Brooklyn as a kid and then moved to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Okay, who's your favorite baseball team?
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Baseball? I don't really have a favorite baseball team.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I grew up rooting for the Yankees, then rooted for
the Giants when we moved, and now I'm just kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So my point is, don't feel that bad for Ian,
because at least these Giants won three World Series and
in the early teens the Warriors their titles. Yeah, that's when.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I really tasted, you know, being plugged in as a
fan and winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Go says yes, And you got Harmon sitting over there
holding on to the to the nineties with a vice
grip as much as he as he can and two
thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So life was so much simpler than dan a couple
of kids, a lot of travels, many a weary hour
screaming into a microphone in the wee hours of the
morning about how I hate everybody else's teams because they're
good and have direction and purpose.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Hey, I wasn't sure if the Bucks were going to
be in Milwaukee a decade ago.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
No, that's right, I mean think in terms of it,
and then for.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Them to go and to win an NBA title absolutely crazy.
So you don't have to feel too bad for me either.
But the Seahawks right now in that ten year drought,
I know that would be a ten year drought that
Ian would love to have. It might even your bears
as well. It's just, you know, the playoff appearances by
the Seahawks just still have me a little bit jaded.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But there's just something to those runs, right, Like you know,
you'd think back to ten years ten years ago, and
your squad is like, are you finally going to break through?
And are you going to do this? Because certainly, Dan,
I mean you had the Super Bowl against the Steelers,
which remains you know what what however you want to
term it keep it safe, yeah, yeah, keep it safe
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for air, But yeah, but you have that I got
Rex Grossman. Yeah, so we did get there.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is yeah, it is.
It's a fair point. It's funny too. It's a different
Seahawks because there's a whole new brand of Seahawks that
have no idea what Super Bowl forty was like and
uh and they have no idea what John Freeze is
your starting quarterback was like. Although their quarterback play was
so bad that John Freese. I went back and looked
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at stats. I'm like, you know, John Freeze was all
right for the Seahawks for a while, and then I
looked back at the stats and I'm like, boy, was
hyjaded at that point, because anything could have been good
for the Seahawks at the quarterback position. Tell you what, though,
when Warren Moon came and played a couple of years,
he and Joey Galloway, they had quite a connection. Should
have made the playoffs, except for Ian's Jets screwed him
(35:10):
in a game on a Vinie Testaverdi goal line run
that never should have been.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh it's the worst. Don't worry. You weren't even alive then, Ian,
don't worry about it. All right, that's it for this podcast.
It's true. I think it was in ninety eight. It happened.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's true.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Trip down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, just take a look. There was no there was
no instant replay. It was a part of the Dennis
Ericsson eight and eight experiment where they swear they went
eight to eight five years in a row. But yeah,
it was. It was back then. Screwed the Seahawks big time.
All right, that's it for this podcast.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, the Misery loves company. So hopefully if you're miserable
or at least with your fan base or your fan
of your team, you could relate to some of the
issues that we went with. All right, guys, when we
are back, it'll be week nine. We'll get your lineups,
get set for everything that you need to know, and
we'll get back to brass tacks here. And I want
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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find me at Dan Byer on Box. The show's executive
director as Ian Roddy Ian Jets are two and six.
Mike's Bears had absolute heartbreak against the watching the Commanders
and my Seahawks. Basically no showed against the Buffalo Bills.
So that's the week that we got guys with our
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teams in week eight, a week that we talked about
where everybody played.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So there's sixteen winners and sixteen losers.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But there are just some losers that are maybe a
little bit bigger and I don't want to say more important.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But just have more of an effect than some others.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Well, yeah, I mean, we're talking about expectations and hope
being brought in. You know, it's that dangerous thing, you know,
the best of things. You know, every day you wake
up with the chance to go one to er and
for the for us, well we went on in three
for our football teams, but they were losses that meant
I think much more right, you know, doing the show
(01:32):
on Monday Night with Jason Smith, he tried to lay
my fears him being a Jets fan. I think he
was just trying to deflect my way. Ian'll have his
chance to volley back again here in a second. But
it's like, no, no, that's that's a game you played
terribly and still had a chance to steal it and
then you said no, I don't want it and gave
it back for me. It also meant the end of
(01:53):
a couple of Guillotine League efforts because I became the
low scorer after some pretty good weeks Week one through seven.
Well this one fell by doom. But you know, for
the Jets, great expectations coming into the year. Here's going
to be a run. Oh now they add DeVante Adams,
the offense is gonna be great for your Seahawks. Yeah,
there's a wide outs to dual running backs. All this
(02:15):
is gonna be great. So yeah, it's just for the
midpoint in the season. There was a lot of shrugging going, well,
what the hell are we at this point, which is,
you know, the worst place to be as opposed to
all right, we're either really bad or really good or
right now we're just kind of spiraling and trying to
figure out, you know, whether we can spin our wheels forward.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I actually want to start with Ian's Jets. I know
we do a lot of Jets talk here, but just
fantasy wise right now. On our last podcast, I had
a survivor pick in one of those or the Jets,
because I just didn't see a way where they could
lose that game.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And yet they.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Somehow found a way, whether it be zerline missfield goals,
whether it be penalties, whether it be third and longs,
they somehow find found a way to lose that game
to New England. And now I'm sitting there. You mentioned
a guillotine League. I've got Breis Hall in the Guillotine League.
Garrett Wilson is owned by pretty much everyone. You mentioned
(03:17):
Devonte Adams. Now you're like, well, how much value will
these players have on a season that now eight games
in seems totally lost. Like I'm still playing these guys,
but the value that you got from DeVante Adams or
Garrett Wilson hasn't been there this season. Hall's been an
up and down mess and now I can't expect things
(03:38):
to get any better. It's just it's an absolute empty
pit of sadness with the New York Jets this year,
not only with Ian's fandom but also fantasy wise.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
In the future doesn't even look much better.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Yeah, I mean, I it's tough as a Jets fan.
I'm so used to it though at this point that
it's just it's just another year.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
It's worse young Dan, he's so young, and he's already
at this jaded phase, just.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
The state of acceptance, right.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
But I mean, at this point, I feel like I'm
almost more glad now that they that that we that
we know that this is who they are. They they
weren't going to string us along the rest of the year.
At Least we now know it's done. Season's over. At
least start looking forward to next year. There's nothing to
look forward to, but at least you can start moving.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Is what is your We joked that you were born
in the year two thousand. Yeah, what is your high
point memory of a Jets fan?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Probably the the UH nine and ten back to back
AFC champions last time they were actually good, like they
legitimately have not been good since then when.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I was so you were nine, fourth grade. Yeah, that's
and it's a shame.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Haven't made the playoffs since.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The Seahawks made the AFC Championship game in nineteen eighty three.
I was six at that point, so not even I
remember that. I'm beating the Dolphins the week before. I
remember them then going to play the Raiders and losing
at the La Colisseum and being a game away from
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the Super Bowl, and then the Raiders obviously going win
the Super Bowl. But for then for the next honestly,
they had a playoff appearance the next year, and then
in the late eighties they had another appearance, a couple
of appearances, like eighty seven, but they they lost a
wild card game to the Oilers. They lost a playoff
game to the Bengals, and the Bengals were really good
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with Boomerosyasin, and then it was just dry after that.
And that's how I kind of so I can relate
a little bit to what you're feeling. But when you
only your only like high point memory, and I'm sure
Mike does as well with the Bears in eighty five, like,
it stinks. Yeah, it stinks when your core like years
of your teenage years, when honestly that's when you're the
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biggest fan as well. But then you carry it into adulthood.
Now you don't have much to cheer for. Yeah, I
get it, I feel you.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah, I had a crazy run, right, So eighty four
lose them, the four forty nine ers huge, right, great,
great squad. Eighty five you get the Super Bowl. Then
you know there's still a double digit win team through
the end of the eighties and into the early now.
But like that was when you know, a peak, you know,
finishing playing because my legs got torn up and I
(06:20):
just remember, you know, recovering from a surgery, you know,
dealing and watching the Bears runs at that point, and
you know, people coming over because you know, I'm not playing,
So it's like all right, after games, it became hang
out at the Harmon's kind of thing, so you know,
so we have all that and otherwise, I mean it's
been popped up on the radar. And there were some
good years in the Lovey Smith era, but it was
(06:41):
all about finishing. You had the odd bawl year of
the Super Bowl against Manning and Company down in Miami,
which is always remembered just for print singing Purple Rain.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
In the Rain.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But otherwise it's you know, there's been some false starts
in this year. You know, I started to buy into it.
I never believed in ebra fluce, but that they might
over the overcome that.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
So you know, it's that frustration.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
But yeah, you think back, it's like, wow, the core
memories of your childhood my eighty three White Sox, the
eighty five Bears and a.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Whole lot of nothing.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And the Bulls were great, but basketball was always a
distant third, at least in our fandom in the house,
not that we didn't play a lot of it, but yeah,
it's yeah, it's it's at.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Least the Bears have hope now though you know you
have klebs looking up.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You do.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
But it's also the as with you and the Jets,
and you could say for this year, right is you
were expecting, all right, we're gonna jump off and we're
gonna do it, and it becomes this dangerous thing where
all of a sudden it's like, all right, do we
really have what we needed to do?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's part of what I was saying to Dan and
Carrie Rhoades literally just yesterday after the loss, I was saying, like,
how if for Jets fans and the Jets franchise themselves,
if this season didn't work out, what can like, how
can you ever get excited for us again? Because if
this didn't work out.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
What can It's Yeah, longest, it's the longest streak of
the NFL, and there's no end in sight. Yeah, and
this is supposed to be your build up and now
they're like blow the whole thing up, and you're like
it's already blown up, Like this is an absolute mess.
Where do we go from here? But it is true,
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like there's more tearing down to do and.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
And the funniest part is that I was just saying
how I said that to you and Carrie Rhoades. Carrie
was on the Jets the last time I saw them,
be sure, So that's how That's how long ago it was.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, when we got done with the show on Sunday,
Carrie was you know, he wears he doesn't wear his
heart on his sleeve, but he wears some Jet pride
with him for his time there. And just even when
he walked in, it was like, man, here we go again.
And a Cardinals victory over the Dolphins couldn't even take
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a replace any of the Jets.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
The Jets sorrow.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Well, but that's I mean, he's known as a jet, right,
you know, the biggest moments of his career as a Jet,
and certainly this was going to be the year and
you speak to it so well, Ian is all right,
this is where it all comes together.
Speaker 7 (09:16):
Now, I always thought.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And Dan he could disagree with me if you will,
but Joe Douglas seemingly knew what he was doing in
terms of roster construction. And then they sold their soul
to the devil bring an old number eight in Yeah,
and all the direction purpose whatever was building got sidetracked.
Did I ever believe Robert Salas should have been a
(09:40):
full you know, a head coach. No, but you at
least had built an infrastructure that you know, you should
have been insulated from that to a degree. And now
it's all over the place.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
So not I want to move off the Jets just
for a second, Jets because you mentioned eb flus and.
Speaker 7 (10:00):
Yeah I got problems with it. No, I mean I
already did so, yeah, I already did.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
This is just another paragraph on a Wikipedia page from
where I sit.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So how does a Bears fan rationalize what happened on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Well, I think you just go to the base denominators.
This guy's not a head coach, just going back to
the Robert Salad thing. Like last year he got emboldened
by and in the off season, right because the defense
played so well after what Montes sweat came over and
and you saw what he was able to do. And
(10:37):
as a defensive coordinator, just like Robert Sala, there's a
lot to like he's just orchestrating that side of things.
But from a game management, clock management personnel, like even
the defensive side of it, they got they got cute
like lost in all of the hoopla over the final plays.
(10:58):
He got off the hook for running the offense, damn
linemen at the goal on because the defense got the
ball back and then they were able to punch it in.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Such a problem with that, I have so.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Many you like you don't have the margin of error
at this point to get cute. You played terribly the
entire damn game, right. I said it on the show
with Smith, you know, yelling at him when he was
trying to tell me it was gonna be okay because
they've got the pieces of place like you don't have
the margins of errors. And this isn't the eighty five Bears,
where William the Refrigerator Perry's coming in when it's thirty
one to three. This is your down in a game. Yeah,
(11:33):
in the final minutes of a game, and you get
cute like that. You deserved it. Now they almost stole
that game, and then the football God said you don't
deserve it, so blank you and Stevenson obviously was the
muse by which that message was communicated.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I looked up William Refrigerator Perry's statistics from nineteen eighty
five because not to make it sound like an echo, Mike,
but I said the same thing. I said the same
thing on Monday when the Bears were doing that stuff
in eighty five. They were actually up fourteen to seven
against the Packers, and they kind of wanted to stuff
it in Brian Noble's face. The Packers linebacker packer bear
(12:12):
rivalry obviously a big deal back then, and so they
did it in that game. They did it then two
other times that year, and those were in finals that
were forty four to nothing and thirty six nothing. Those
are the outcomes of the games, not down twelve to
seven was seven minutes to go like it is. It's
just blasphemy. And then I'm not even counting the Super
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Bowl won against the Patriots for his four touchdowns, but
those were the four times that they used William Perry.
And maybe people look back at it and because it's
been forty years think that the refrigerator Perry had twelve touchdowns. No,
he scored three touchdowns in the regular season and won
in the Super Bowl, and then I think he threw
(12:54):
for one.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And that was it.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
That's it wasn't like this massive thing. So to do
it in that sinna with a game on the line
is just blasphemy. And then how they handled the play
prior to the hil Mary Oh Boy and letting Washington
just get a free thirteen yards or whatever it was
and then get out of bounds. I just you know,
(13:16):
to me, the whole Tyreek Stevenson thing covers up how
much Eberflus almost cost their game for the Bears because
they were winning at the time, but then completely covers
up the airs that he actually did make on the
play before, on the on the handoff you know, to
your offensive lineman and giving it to Doug Kramer in
(13:37):
that scenario just completely completely covers up how bad it was.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, folks, and folks can point to you know, and
ebra Flues doubled down on it on Monday, which is
just asinine to me on a whole other level. And reminder,
the only reason he came back is because he's still
had a contract.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Hmm.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Right, is when when it's all because look, your ideal
thing is you reset fully, here's your new quarterback, here's
a new OC. And we can talk about Waldron until
we're blue in the face. But for the moment he
gets he gets a pass. Here for a moment we're
making this about Eberflus is is that you know, you
clean house and maybe your GM goes too, and you
(14:17):
push forward. But because of the Bears and the in
Chicago in general, they don't eat contracts. There he is
back at you, and in hard knocks it was all
about his beard and all that other crap.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
But you go.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
And you have this the sequence with the with Kramer
and the ball at the goal line, and your defense
does a great job and comes back and gets you
the ball back so you can drive down for the touchdown.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Fantastic.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
But that's that final sequence is just some of the
most abhorrent pathetic football I've ever seen. Camlub Williams is
about to lose his mind on that play. The completion
to McLaurin, like watching the ISO on to him before
we even get to the Stevenson ISO and everything from
the end zone shot and all that is just that
(15:07):
you're not defending it at all, right, I mean, he's
already shown and folks are like, well, if they get
it down to the forty, it's like the time will
run out. If he gets down inside in the forty,
you're not getting your team up to get another snap
if it's a twenty five yard game or whatever in
the middle of the field, So that part is lost.
(15:27):
They were out of timeouts. The Bears, on the other hand,
once they did complete the past to McLaurin, there's where
you could have taken a time out. Hey, let's make
sure we're all on the same damp page. Instead, you
got this idiot screaming at the fans, cheering with Bears
fans and mocking commanders and guys are midway into their
pass route before he turns around and says, oh crap, hey,
(15:49):
I'll be right back over. It's like a Beer League
softball game. You're talking, trying to talk up the woman
in the third row. I know, man, Yeah, it's like again,
it's oh wait, I gotta go make a That's what
he did, and he blew it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And the two parts of that number one when you
watch the graphic, if you see it again, you will
see on the bare side of things, they have all
three of their timeouts.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That is absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They did need it there. There was some confusion at
the end of the game. It actually worked out in
their favor in terms of working the clock offensively for
what they would have hoped towards the end. At least
we thought at the time. It did get Harry there
for a little bit. But yeah, they had all three
of their timeouts. And again where Stevenson was coming from.
Because he's supposed to box out Noah Brown, he actually
(16:38):
gets a running start. And that's why I think he
gets higher than everyone because he's running from the side, yep,
because everybody else is kind of jumping flat footed almost
because they're in that group. That's why he gets higher
and then just tries to deflect it, you know, bat
it down if you will, and it goes behind to
Noah Brown, the guy that he was supposed to be
boxing out, you.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Know, the guy he was supposed to actually, yeah, preventing
from catching said football.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Because the other thing is right, when.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Folks tried to dismiss it, Eberflus, I know folks on
the network and other networks trying.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
To do this.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's it's that that thirteen to fifteen yards wherever we
want to spot it, depending on your box score, doesn't matter.
The point is Daniels couldn't get the ball all the
way to the end zone. Even after that, Yes, you're
right right, it still came up what seven yards short,
five yards short whatever it is before the tip drills
to Brown in the end zone. So yeah, telling me
(17:31):
that play didn't matter, you're kidding yourself. And I also
heard a couple of promos of you can't you won't
call holding No, that was pretty ingregious, old sure, now
should you have maybe rushed another guy. You can get
into all of that, but the point is, you know,
it did buy Daniels a couple extra seconds to go.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
When the guy's get mugged.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They actually had a spy on, like there was a
guy that was not pressuring Daniels. They ran, you know,
they ran three and one of their linebackers is just like, well,
if you're not going to go after him, then he
might as well get your butt down field.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, you might want just didn't make any sense. All right.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We got to take a time out, this therapy session
free of charge, don't have to run it through insurance
or anything. As sports fans, for us, we appreciate you
letting us vent our our frustrations. By the way, we
didn't even get to the Seahawks. So that's a completely
other story, maybe for another time. On the other side,
(18:28):
I'll just give you my two minute play on that.
But it does give a topic that I do want
to bring up, and it has to do with what
we talked about, the winning championships portion of it better
as a kid or as an adult. Okay, so we're
going to dive into that next. He's Mike Carmen I'm
Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy. This is I want your flex.
(18:50):
It is I want your flex. He is Mike Carmen.
That's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Bayer. All I'm going to
say about the Seahawks is this, they haven't had a
center since Max Hunger.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
And it's no.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Disrespect to Connor Williams or all the other guys that
they've tried to put into that spot. They haven't drafted
for it. They did use a first round pick on
Charles Cross a couple of years ago, as they're left
tackle hoping to become a piece of the of the
Seahawks puzzle moving forward. But their offensive line right now
(19:21):
is just an absolute mess. Without dk Mettgath can do
anything on offense. Against Buffalo again, they're like my golf swing,
it's a two way miss. But I'm starting to really
think that this lack of running game is going to
hurt them. Not if it's not for Kenneth Walker's great
ability to miss tackles or Genosmith's ability to play Houdini
(19:41):
half the time, they'd be getting killed. So that's that's
the problem with the Seahawks right now. But they're in
year one of a new regime. Just a matter of
if John Schneider can turn things over as a GM
and maybe not do things the Pete Carroll way in
these next couple of drafts. But we shall see.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
It's always the question of Reese and reboot. Like there's
a lot of good component parts there. Yeah, it's just
a you know, what's what's the next piece of the
puzzle that comes in? I mean I and that division
right now is up for grabs, so like you can't
really right right off right as much as maybe maybe
(20:17):
you're not at the level of the Bills.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Still there's a there's a lot of football.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, and you know what, I think our teams are
all in different spots and our histories are different. I
think I'm in the more advantageous just because my team
did win a Super Bowl ten years ago as opposed
to you know, Mike's almost forty years ago and Ian's
past it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I's grandparents super Bowl like negative Still you.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Still, yeah, you still hang your hat on that one. Ian.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You ever run in these Super Bowl three smack at anybody?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You know?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Yeah, nobody care a little tongue che.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Mi g I guaranteed a Super Bowl jerks at that point,
it's like, I don't even know if you'd almost rather
just not have your franchise having one one just because
it's like that long ago.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
This I think there's an argument to be made for it.
I do it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's it's funny because as we were talking in the
success and Ian hasn't seen a Super Bowl in his lifetime,
and and I gotta look up the playoff drought was
was twenty ten the last time for the Jets.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, they might have snuck it, Yeah, twenty ten.
I think they missed it in eleven. Okay, I couldn't
be wrong on that, but it was either ten or
eleven that since then it's been since.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Then, that is that's that's a long time.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I feel like in any major sports league, if you
missed the playoffs for you know, an entire decade, I
think the owners should be forced to sell.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
But I like that. I just think just for the
sake of parody.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well, well, now with the expanded playoffs, there are only
there are only four teams that haven't played a playoff
game in this new format. The Jets are one. The
Broncos haven't. Their last playoff game was Super Bowl fifty
when they beat the Panthers. Yeah, and the Panthers and
Falcons haven't made the playoffs in six seasons. Otherwise, every
(22:16):
other team in the NFL at least has had a
playoff game within this new format, which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And even the Raiders. Yeah sorry Raiders, man, but.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Now but I mean, look good. They're on the radar.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And obviously the franchises were worth a lot more money, so.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Sure, that's good.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
The funny thing that when I look back at this, though,
is when we were talking about the Seahawks in their
time in the nineteen eighties, as I said, I remember
eighty three, eighty four. Then they ended up making it
in the playoffs, and I believe it's eighty seven to
eighty eight, and then it was basically the entire nineties
they didn't they didn't do anything, and it was that
(23:01):
is like that's prime childhood for me. Like that is
that's I graduated high school in nineteen ninety five. So
everything prior to that stunk. Everything after that in college stunk.
There wasn't anything. It wasn't until Mike Holmgren came along
and they ended up winning the division and they lost
to Dan Marino and the Dolphins in a playoff game,
and like the in nineteen ninety nine, which is Dan
(23:24):
Marino's final win as a quarterback. But the point being
is I look back and obviously the Seahawks started winning
in two thousand and four with Home Grand in the
new regime, and it's been basically pretty good success since then.
So it's a weird feeling because I went without it
(23:44):
so much. But I'm as I look back at the
super Bowl that they won ten years ago, I almost wish,
guys that I would have had that as a kid.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think I would have appreciated it more.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't or if it would have just maybe maybe
I would have been a spoiled fan at that point.
But in terms of the you know, in terms of
determining would I want the championship when I was a
kid or when I was an adult, I'm almost I'm almost.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Wondering if it would have been better if I was
a kid.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I I you know, Mike, you had you said yours
in eighty five, I mean, would you trade eighty five
for one right now?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Now?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I was twelve then, and then I got the the
White Sox in two thousand and five since we're still
as we record this, you know, talking World Series and
everything else is you know, that sweep of the Astros.
I got to go to Game two and my older
daughter had been born in September.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Like that was.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
That was everything, Like that playoff run and that White
Sox team.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
You know all of those guys.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Still go back and forth on Twitter with several guys
from that team. You know, just relationships she build over
over time, bit by bit. But you know, the eighty
five Bears. Like again, I was sidelined with some you know,
surgery and whatever watching that playoff run and and some
of the camaraderie there and just quiet moments that you
(25:09):
know as much as you were, you know, just kind
of hanging around watching games.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
The family gathered, I think more at that point.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Like now it's fractured and obviously what we do for
a living and we love every minute of it. You know,
for all you listening out there, we're blessed to what
we do. But we don't get to just sit in
groups to watch games. You're in a studio Sunday afternoons. Ian,
You're in the studio Sunday afternoons. I'm in early previewing games,
and then you know, it becomes the kid run around
(25:40):
or you know, trying to catch games as you can.
Back then, it was simpler and you wore your heart
on your sleeve. That doesn't mean you're not You're not
still the same fan. And I've talked about it where
I I just you know the show I do with
with Jason Smith, you know, Jets and Mets and Knicks.
While at times you know there's the I want to
throttle you because it's obsessive. I'm jealous of it to
(26:03):
a degree as well, because he is still so much
a little kid when it comes to his fandom.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Whereas I think.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
In general, you know, the pragmatic approach, the all right,
i'm gonna sit and watch this from a different lens
thing takes over for me way too much to where
I can't just, you know, be the fan that I
was when I was twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And the most difficult thing about talking like that is
we're talking to you the listeners out there who have
a completely different perspective than what we have.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And it's the one it's the one thing that is so.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I That's why I talk about like our teams like
there was a there was a point, Mike where people
felt like, you can't have can't have a favorite team,
shows your bias.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And now I'm bad.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Anybody that tells me that I question everything that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I agree, well, because we're in entertainment. But it's also
another way for me to relate to you as a fan.
If you're listening to this.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
There are certain sports and teams.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That have gone by the wayside, but there there are
still a few that you know, you live and die
with at this point, and so so it's the one
point of connection that I still want to have. So
you bring that up with Jason that he still has that.
I do kind of sometimes feel that with football and
can be a bit jaded, But you know, I don't
(27:31):
if the Seahawks would have won a Super Bowl when
I was, you know, in nineteen ninety nine, let's just
say even early, if they.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
When I was in high school.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
If they go and win Super Bowl in nineteen ninety
three or nineteen ninety four and then go the next
thirty years without winning one, I don't I I think
I would have a huge amount of frustration. And I
only just say that because the Sea. I'm frustrated with
(28:00):
the Seahawks for we're going on ten years now and
I just don't think that they've had a super Bowl
caliber team. And then I look at what Ian's dealing
with and he's gone on thirteen straight years of not
even having a Playoff caliber team, right, you know, like
it's just so there's just so many different levels of
like how I look at try to rationalize it, and
(28:20):
all right, am I am? I spoiled as a fan,
and you know, how do I look at it this way?
But man to be able to take what I had
or what and to win a championship when you can
brag to your friends and rub it into your firm friends,
that'd probably be the the cherry on top for me.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
As a kid.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
As a kid, I feel like everything's so much more
black and white, like when you win or you lose,
you know, where as an adult you're so much more
And I guess it's not the same for everyone, but
as an adult, in theory, there's a higher level of
understanding as to what goes into winning a championship, So
maybe the payoff can be bigger, but less giddiness as
(28:58):
to what Mike was saying about Jason how he's still
somehow has that childish, childlike giddiness.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I'll tell you one thing about being a being a kid,
The years were long, so like non football season was forever, right,
like to go like from the end of the season. Now,
when you're an adult, you're like, oh, jeez, football, you know,
I have football's yere, Wow, it's three weeks away.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Like probably that was fast. Just seems like we're at
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
When you're a kid, that is not the case, because
you're in a different grade, you're in a different maybe
social structure, you have different friends, you have you know this,
and that like everything is so different when you're a
kid because there isn't this real, I don't know, real
grasp on time. And maybe it's better that way, but
each season is almost cherished because you just feel that,
(29:43):
oh man, there's gonna be a point when we don't
have this, you know, in a couple of months, and
it's going to be such a tough time without it.
Like to me, it was just it took forever, and
now the seasons longer. I get that, so the off
season is a little bit shorter, But it just seemed
for me to take forever to get from the Super
Bowl to the start of next season when you're a kid.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, and I think to Ian's point about what you know,
you see the saw, how the sausage is made, not
just us, you know, doing what we do in the
conversations that we have, you know, with people we interview,
you know, the insiders, experts, whatever, but you know everybody.
And this is again relating back to you know, to
all of you listening and giving us a few minutes
of your time. I mean, it's greatly appreciated that that
(30:25):
camaraderie and that kinship that we feel over this, right,
the highs and lows, the emotional stuff that goes with it,
is just that the off season now is not really
an off season, right. All the transactional stuff matters. Before
it was just all right, when did the game start?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Get me? Get me to a Sunday morning? Right?
Speaker 4 (30:46):
For us, it was if we were at a card show.
Someone had to have a TV doing baseball card shows
as a teenager, so it was like, so there had
to be a big TV sitting there somewhere, as big
as one as you had in the late eighties, in
the early nineties and or the radio was turned up,
you went to early mass, you grabbed.
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Your your donuts and away you went. And then at noon,
because it was always a noon's kickoff for the Bears,
you had a noon kickoff, and you know, going into
the other sports, right, I had that run.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
With the Bulls, Well that's a lifetime ago, right. The
black Hawks had a had a quick run with tays
And and Caine, and that came and went pretty fast
to where they're back to whatever they've got badard and
maybe there's there's hope, but hopees you know again, it's like,
all right, we'll see you know what kind of roster
(31:38):
rounds out around him, but you know all of it.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
And White Tucks just lost one hundred and twenty one games.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So I looked nostalgically even more so at the video
clips of that two thousand and five squad. So whenever
they actually get included in a list, right, it was, hey,
here's the teams that you know I finished off sweeps
in recent marriage.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
There's a two thousand and five White sock. See you
didn't get to leave him off for that graphic.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Uh good times against now league rival Houston. So well,
there you go, you know, tis times has changed. Hey,
the Seahawks got thrown against the Broncos. If you would
have told me that in nineteen eighty seven, I would
have thought.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You were crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
See there you go, Yeah, that would be impossible. I
do think this is a good spot to wrap it up. Ian,
will you tell us who your favorite NBA team is?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I'm actually a Warriors fan because okay, yeah, I lived
in Brooklyn as a kid and then moved to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Okay, who's your favorite baseball team?
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Baseball? I don't really have a favorite baseball team.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
I grew up rooting for the Yankees, then rooted for
the Giants when we moved, and now I'm just kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So my point is, don't feel that bad for Ian,
because at least these Giants won three World Series and
in the early teens the Warriors their titles. Yeah, that's when.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I really tasted, you know, being plugged in as a
fan and winning a championship.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Go says yes, And you got Harmon sitting over there
holding on to the to the nineties with a vice
grip as much as he as he can and two
thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
So life was so much simpler than dan a couple
of kids, a lot of travels, many a weary hour
screaming into a microphone in the wee hours of the
morning about how I hate everybody else's teams because they're
good and have direction and purpose.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Hey, I wasn't sure if the Bucks were going to
be in Milwaukee a decade ago.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
No, that's right, I mean think in terms of it,
and then for.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Them to go and to win an NBA title absolutely crazy.
So you don't have to feel too bad for me either.
But the Seahawks right now in that ten year drought,
I know that would be a ten year drought that
Ian would love to have. It might even your bears
as well. It's just, you know, the playoff appearances by
the Seahawks just still have me a little bit jaded.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
But there's just something to those runs, right, Like you know,
you'd think back to ten years ten years ago, and
your squad is like, are you finally going to break through?
And are you going to do this? Because certainly, Dan,
I mean you had the Super Bowl against the Steelers,
which remains you know what what however you want to
term it keep it safe, yeah, yeah, keep it safe
(34:18):
for air, But yeah, but you have that I got
Rex Grossman. Yeah, so we did get there.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is yeah, it is.
It's a fair point. It's funny too. It's a different
Seahawks because there's a whole new brand of Seahawks that
have no idea what Super Bowl forty was like and
uh and they have no idea what John Freeze is
your starting quarterback was like. Although their quarterback play was
so bad that John Freese. I went back and looked
(34:49):
at stats. I'm like, you know, John Freeze was all
right for the Seahawks for a while, and then I
looked back at the stats and I'm like, boy, was
hyjaded at that point, because anything could have been good
for the Seahawks at the quarterback position. Tell you what, though,
when Warren Moon came and played a couple of years,
he and Joey Galloway, they had quite a connection. Should
have made the playoffs, except for Ian's Jets screwed him
(35:10):
in a game on a Vinie Testaverdi goal line run
that never should have been.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh it's the worst. Don't worry. You weren't even alive then, Ian,
don't worry about it. All right, that's it for this podcast.
It's true. I think it was in ninety eight. It happened.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
It's true.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
Trip down memory lane.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, just take a look. There was no there was
no instant replay. It was a part of the Dennis
Ericsson eight and eight experiment where they swear they went
eight to eight five years in a row. But yeah,
it was. It was back then. Screwed the Seahawks big time.
All right, that's it for this podcast.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, the Misery loves company. So hopefully if you're miserable
or at least with your fan base or your fan
of your team, you could relate to some of the
issues that we went with. All right, guys, when we
are back, it'll be week nine. We'll get your lineups,
get set for everything that you need to know, and
we'll get back to brass tacks here. And I want
(36:08):
your flex So for my Carmen and Ian Roddy, I'm
the Empire. Thanks for that therapy session. We'll talk to
you next time here, and I want your flex
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