March 22, 2021 • 37 mins
Chris and Rob debate if the NBA would be better off adopting the NCAA's one-and-done elimination style postseason tournament, argue if LeBron James' ankle injury will be the reason why the Los Angeles Lakers don't repeat as NBA champions, and explain why the ugly sexual misconduct allegations surrounding Deshaun Watson won't hurt his trade market.
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Cup off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. And we
talked about it a bit last week. Are we into
the tournament? Are we not? I was getting a little
more excited as things got closer. And I have to say, Rob,
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I don't know most of these players from Adam, you know,
I know a few K Honeyham and some other guys.
But the fact is, Rob, I was into it. I
was into it. I had games all over the place,
t EV's on all over the place, watching the various
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games turn into the upsets that were happening, you know,
excited when I see up on this screen. I'm watching
one game and I see that, you know, there's two
minutes left in another game and it's a barn burner,
so I gotta go there. I mean, I was into
the tournament. Rob and it hit me like, Matt, Look,
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they could be Division three players for all I know,
but it's still is going to be excited. It could
have been Oberlin versus Ohio Wesleyan and I still would
have been into it. I don't care who the kids are,
it's I'm into it. Rob, I was hyped. I gotta
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I gotta be honest and March madness. It's second to none.
The only problem is, and I watched, not like you.
I'm still one of these guys. I've never watched the
red zone in the NFL. Never, and I'll low the
red zone been out forever right ever in a day.
And the reason is I still like to watch games.
And I'm not saying I'm gonna sit there and watch
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a blowout, but I don't go flipping just to flip around.
I'm like, I want to watch a game, and its
entirety if I watch a game. So I did watch
some games over the weekend, and there were a lot
of upsets. But you know what, Chris, you just the
statement you made is perfect for what I'm about to say.
It ain't about college basketball. That is the biggest misnomer
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this time of the year. Everybody says, oh, college basketball
is so exciting, always way better than the pros up
these kids, they're playing for nothing. It's just for the
love of the games. And yeah, you know, like it's great.
It has nothing to do with college basketball, is this one.
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It's about the tournaments for mad It could be anything, Chris,
you said, it could be Division three, how about Division four?
Make up Division four? They could be anything. Whenever they're
single game elimination and people can get knocked out on
that night, it heightens the pleasure of the game. It's
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not like four out of seven. Okay, they won this one.
It doesn't mean they're gonna win this series. I gotta
come back tomorrow night or the next on two nights
and they got another game. There's something about single game elimination.
It ain't about college basketball. College basketball is as mundane
and nameless as it's ever been. But this time of
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the year when we lather up and turn a game
on and Oral Roberts again and they're winning games. They
won two games. Roberts, I got, I got two people
I know you know, you know you get in texts,
solmn Williams, two Lions, Who's Lions, Lions pr Guy Yep,
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two brothers and right and Gayalen Gordon, who's a big
time muckety muck at ABC News. I worked with us
at ESPN. Yes, yes, those two guys somehow, some way
graduated from or Roberts. Okay, I don't know how, but
when you see them, when you go, wow, this is unbelievable.
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It's a it's about the single game elimination, when you're
able to knock people out and it's all over, Chris
and you play and you play. I mean, you you
you know what I'm saying. I'll give you I I
agree with you. The only thing I would say, and
I don't know that you're even saying this, but the
fact that it's basketball still does play some role. You know,
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like basketball just the nature of the game. It's exciting
and all of that. So, I mean, you're not saying
if it was it could be freaking you know, Tiddley
Winks College. It could be a sport to any other sport,
and it's a single game elimination. It just heightens the experience.
That's what I'm talking about. I agree with you that
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that that the bottom line is it is the single elimination.
It's the nature of it. It is. There's just no
but immediately one steps crazy. What if we had it
in the NBA for the you got your sixteen teams, right,
more than half the league makes the playoffs and it's
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a single game elimination. You would see Chris the best
basketball we've ever seen. If every night they go out
there and this is it and and don't Michael Jordan
wouldn't have six championships. Lebron James I want to go
on to the finals in ten times or right, he
wouldn't have gone in finals ten. It's impossible. Somebody can
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beat you one night. I don't care how good you are, Chris.
You could have a bad night. Somebody could have a
great night. Somebody could make an unbelievable shot, right, somebody
could have a tip in. I mean, there's so many
different things that could alter what it is, and that
would make the though that's my thing. Would you want that? Yes? Really? Four?
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Seven and the first round of the NBA is dog matter.
You can, we can. I mean, I don't mind them
playing seven, but I look, it used to be three.
It used to be best two out of three. I know,
I know back then I was there with the three
hund Michael Jordan made that shot against Cleveland. That was
that was three out of five. That was Game five
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in Cleveland. Magic and Kareem lost. After winning it, Magic
the whole thing. Magic's rookie year. They went out in
the first round the next year in a two best
of three series. Right three Houston, Yeah, and I think
it was Houston. So um, I, I mean we could
debate on that. Here's my point, though, I would not
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want to see that, and you're right the excitement would
be crazy, but it would totally I mean, what is
the point of playing an eighty two games season eighty two,
not thirty five or thirty like they play in college.
Eighty two games comes down to one game like that?
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Would it just seems like I mean, you here the
complaints rob in baseball with the wild card game or
you know, the one the one and done game in baseball.
You know, card game is exciting, but it's exciting. But
you know what I'm saying, But that's not at least
that's not the championship. I I you're right that it
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would be madness. I mean, people would be into it,
but I think the goal of the NBA is to
find the best team. Who's the best team, And you're
not gonna get it in the one a one game,
one and done scenario. You don't get it in basketball?
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Who you said it? Oral Roberts beat They beat Ohio State, correct,
and then they beat Florida. Ohio State would probably beat
them eight out of ten times, at least seven out
of ten times. So you don't And I get it.
It's fine for college. It's fired for a thirty game season.
I would not want to see that in the NBA,
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as exciting as it would be. But I'm into the
NBA playoffs as they are as long as they are.
I think as a whole, separate season, you imagine it would,
but it would change, you know, we talk about it
all the time, Chris. In the eighties, it was just
the Lakers in the Celtics, that's all it was. You
wouldn't have no Lakers in Celtics. Utah might have a
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couple of championships if it was the best out of
If it was single game elimination, you might have the
wealth of championships spread around and make it equal and
going to super teams wouldn't matter, and players might stay.
It could enhance the game and spread the spread the wealth,
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because all the great teams, even put together, could lose
one night. And I think that's the part that really
lose any given night. I remember, we all remember the
seventy two and ten Bulls. I covered it, and I
was covering the Cleveland Cavaliers as a beat writer that year,
and they came to town to Jordan and pipping and
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the Bulls winning in the midst of winning seventy two games,
and the calves of Terrell Brandon, Bobby Fields and Chris
Mills beat them. So you're right, any given night, anything
could happen. However, let's think about it. Rob. You said
super teams wouldn't matter, they would because remember what John
Wooden did. He had super teams and he was able
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to win what ten championships. So if you have overwhelming talent,
you still would win a lot. If you have a
chance to get you have more of a chance to
get beat. There your start could have a bad night.
What a Cunningham. He had a bad night for them
right after that, lost two nights, right but that night
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what was six for twenty from the field. He looked
more like uh Richie Cunningham in the NCAA tournament. Nothing,
Alex that best man that would be on his top
five list. Really, I will say top ten. I don't
know that there's a top ten. The top five. I
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just got back. I gotta start him humble. But now
I hear you, right, But I'm shocked that you would
rather see the NBA in that format because we no longer. Now. Look,
here's the thing, and remember the NBA played with this idea.
Adam Silver tossed it. Oh, we might have this mid
season tournament that yeah. Yeah, Now, I believe traditions important.
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And to your point, if we all grew up and
the NBA was a one and done situation and it
was what we knew, I think we'd be into it
and we'd be used to it and it be what
it was. What if they think it was the season
down the sixty two games, Chris right, sixty two games
a tournament like this. I don't know if it's sixteen
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or whatever, but it was about like mid season one
and done tournament. No. I wanted to be for the
for the for the Maybe I maybe kind of think
sixty two is still too much for one, and I
don't know, I mean, that's just my personal but it
would be like this, maybe you do this, this is
just to get you through the first three rounds and
then the championship is four out of seven or three
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out of five, where it's like you still would happen.
But if you get a championship with the freaking Miami
Heat and you know you don't want to here's what
I'd say, Rob. This goes to the NBA's idea of
for a mid season tournament over time, Like when they
first proposed the idea, oh, we're gonna have this mid
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season tournament euro Cup style and you know, one and done,
and it's sound like, well, who cares. Who's gonna care
that you won a mid season tournament, But over time
that could become significant. Now, because we're not used to it,
we might pooh poo it, But ten years from now,
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twenty years from now, people would be like, what, yeah,
Lebron has four rings and three you know, mid season
championships too. Jordan had six rings and five mid season
cup now whatever, you know like it? I think it
would gain over time, it could become legitimate and maybe
that would be a one and done situation, but I
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wouldn't want to see it. I would not want to
see it without the like series. If you want to
cut the first round to five games, that's all right,
but I wouldn't want to see That's why they went
to seven, Rob, because two out of three was two
easy to get upset. Four out of seven is too many.
How many four games sweets? Where eight eight of playing ones?
And then there should be playing good game? You know
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over the weekend or Saturday. Lebron James goes down with
a high ankle sprain in a game against the Atlanta Hawks,
and dirty did you nah? And we talked about that
on your Undisputed today. I'm totally with you, Like it
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was a loose ball. And I heard Montres Harold say
that Solomon Hill, who's the one that injured Lebron, didn't
make a basketball play. Here's the thing on a loose ball,
what's the basketball play on the loose ball? They dive,
they reached, they jumped for loose ball, whatever it takes
to get it. I mean, you know, within reason, And
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that's what he was doing. He dove for a loose ball,
and his momentum carried him into Lebron's ankle, as Lebron's
momentum carried him into Solomon and that was it. Solomon Hill.
Here's the thing, right, if Lebron was dribbling up the
court or even on the wing in a triple threat
position or whatever, just had control of the ball and
a guy died at him, that's one thing. But this
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wasn't that. So I just and and look the fact
that it was only a Lakers teammate or teammates, uh
that and Lakers fans that saw it is dirty, Rob.
That tells you everything. Lebron didn't say. Everybody nobody around
the league said it. So, Uh, Solomon Hill should not
be castigated or anything for that. And he said, like,
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I'm just I respect the game. I was just trying
to make, you know, get the ball basically, and it happen.
That's what it looked like. It it happens, right, you know.
But here's my take. Uh, And we don't know how
long he's gonna be out. Some people are saying if
he if he recovers quickly, he could be back in
three to four weeks if he you know. But but
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it could be six weeks. You know. Obviously he's older,
thirty six years old now, and at the older you get,
the longer takes you to recover, and you wonder if
that will play a factor. But here's what I'm gonna say, Rob,
I believe they're gonna fall mightily in the standings if
he's out four weeks out a month, the fifteen games
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they play in that period, ten of them are against
playoff teams, so the so right there, you got a
you got a five and ten record, right, and that's
not even including that's not including their next game, which
is against New Orleans, who's not a playoff team right now,
but playing well, you know, they beat Denver, they beat
the Clippers just within the past week, so that's not again,
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so I expect them to fall. Rob there two and
a half games ahead of six seeded Portland, so they're
the third seed, the Lakers, but they could fall to
six or below. And you know, Rob, anything below six
you're in the playing game. So there you go with
your your marsh madness. Almost you know. The way it
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works is the seventh and eighth seeds play the ninth
and tenth seeds and they get two times. The seventh
seed will get two chances to beat the tenth seed,
and you know, which you should be able to do.
But you know, if you don't, you're out. But I
expect him to fall Rob and maybe even the seven.
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But I still believe if and it's a big if,
I don't know if it's a big if, but we
expect them, right, we expect Anthony Davis to come back healthy,
and we expect Lebron James to come back healthy. If
they do. Rob, let's say it's six weeks. Lebron's back,
a couple of weeks before the playoffs begin, Anthony Davis
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is back in two or three weeks from today, and
he's got time to work himself in the shape. I still,
Rob Parker, believe the Lakers are the team to beat
in the West. I could not disagree with you more.
I think that the Lakers any thought or idea that
they were gonna repeat just went out the window. It's
bad enough not having Anthony Davis, but now Lebron for
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potentially a month, you're gonna be trying, and even when
he gets back, you don't know where he is. At
thirty six years old, Chris totally different animal. I know
Lebrons had had a history of being able to come
back quicker than normal, but as you get older, those
things don't happen. Anthony Davis has been out a lot,
and this team, even with those two guys, aren't as
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good of the same team as when they had Rondo
and Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee. I don't think that
I don't think that this team is better than that team.
And obviously that team won a championship, so of course, Chris,
you know what I mean on paper, But I don't
think that this team is better. And now you're asking
for two guys to come back and you're two stars,
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and for them to be okay after not playing for
a while together. It's just too many things have to
go right for them to compete and for them to play.
And then the West is tough. That the West is tough.
So you say, because you started by saying you don't
think they will repeat. Look, I do know I think that,
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but I think the West I think their chance, but
championship aspirations are done. They will not get out of
the West. They will not compete for a championship. Wow wow,
Robert Walker. I mean, here's the thing. Look, let's say,
worst case scenario, they're a seven seed, and I think
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while they maybe seven, when Lebron gets back, I think
you'll lift them a few spots so they may fin
us up as a sixth seed. Let's say they they're
the sixth seed and you start off the first round
with I don't know, Phoenix. Okay, that's a tough one,
but you know that they can be Phoenix. And then
you got the three six matchups, so you're in the
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two three. So maybe you got the Clippers in the
second round. You you're gonna have to beat these teams anyway. No,
I get that like the West, you know that the wet,
like like the first seed. You talk they let's say
they finished for they could get Dallas Golden State saying
Antonio the winers round last year, right, I mean Dallas
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with no pushover. Then at Denver that had gone to
the that was one game away from the conference finals
a year before, right Denver, Remember they lost in the
game seven at home to Portland that they didn't get
to the to the conference finals. Chris, so so tough. Yeah.
So my point is, yes, they'd love to finish in
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the top three or four. But even if you even
if you finish with one of those seeds, the road
to the NBA Finals in the West is going to
be tough. But Rob, So here's my thing picture, and
you are absolutely right. If Lebron James doesn't come back
close to himself, they got no chance. I'll be the
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first to admit that. And if Anthony Davis isn't himself
if that, you know, we hate to hear the word Achilles.
So if this Achilles injury is more serious than they're
letting knowing, and he's been out for a month so
it's already fairly serious. But if it's really debilitating, then
I don't think a Lebron and a half speed ad
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can win the West. But I'm operating on the assumption
that they will be back, you know, close to full health.
And are you gonna tell me you're gonna take I
just throw out a Nicola Yokichen Jamal Murray over Lebron
in Ad yep, because I just don't know where they're
going to be. I just think too many things have
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to be right for them to win, and if there's
any setback or somebody gets gimpy, they won't win. And
I just don't like the team. I don't I don't
like the makeup of the team that they had, even
with those guys. I think that they made a mistake.
And I get it. You don't always want to stand
pat Chris. You want to make some moves right and
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spice it up for a different group of guys, So
I get that. I just think it's going to be
a real tough and there's just too many things that
have to go right for them to win. And I
think whenever you're we're banking on more than one or
two things having to be right. It was one thing
waiting for Anthony Davis to come back. Now you're waiting
for Anthony Davis and Lebron, And we don't know what
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the situation will be with Lebron being off that long
at thirty six years old. We don't know if Anthony
Davis will he be gimpy, will will he be a
little leery because of what we saw with Durant? You
know what I mean. These are all factors that could
factor in. So I'm just I'm I'm here today and
I just I don't believe they make it out of
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the Western Conference. I don't believe they have a chance
to repeat for their championship. I think this year will
wind up being a wash, and you people will look
back at it and go, you know what, Anthony Davis
and Lebron got hurt that year, and that's the reason
that they weren't able to compete or get out of
the West. That'll be They're built an excuse on why
things went a ride. Well, if that's the case, it'll
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be a legitimate explanation, you know, because obviously they would
have had a chance to win the West with those
two healthy. But again, I still like them in the West.
I still think they're a team to be And I
look week. Do they miss JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard
at the rim? Yeah, but guess what, they got the
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number one defense in the league. And that's with Anthony
Davis missing a month of games, and they rob one
thing about the Lakers they played. It was just it
was just a week ago to Knicks had the number
one defense. So I mean, but that's fine. I mean,
you can go back Knicks play great defense. No, I
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know what I'm saying. They were fine James and Anthony
Dave right, but there were five movies that was just
a week ago. I'm just saying. I'm just talking about
the eye test. As far as the team, I don't
think that this team is as good as when I
look at them the eye test. Their defense is noticeable,
Like it's noticeable how good they are defensively. They get
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after it. Shrewder at this point is a better defender
than Rondo was. Now I get playoff Rondo was big
last year and we'll see if Shrewder can replicate what
Rondo gives them. But Shrewder's a better player at this
point in his career than Rondo was last year. Now
they do, I think more than the rim protection, because
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you know, we talk about this all the time, Rob,
who's really you know, the dudes ain't killing you at
the rim anymore like they used to for the most part.
And what I think they miss more is they don't
shoot the ball very well. Now. Perhaps they're slumping. You know,
Guyser we saw him in the bubble last year when
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they first got there in the regular season and eight
regular season games they couldn't hit threes and they couldn't
stop threes, and then the playoff starting, they turn it
up a notch. So maybe that'll happen now. But they
don't shoot the three ball very well. That to me
is their biggest problem and they should be out there
on the market looking to add some shooting. But I
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think here's my other thing, Rob, Nobody in the West
as good as it is, and we know it's deep
and all that. Who's scary. The Clippers aren't scary? The
Clippers have gone eleven in need eleven over the last
two months. The Clippers are six and eight over the
last month, and they're three and five over the last
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like two three weeks. They have trouble in the clutch
Kauai and their numbers are bad in the clutch because
they really need a point guard to get them into
a good offense rather than just going one on one
late in games. And then surprisingly their defense isn't even
that good as men. But they got one with us
winding the Lakers or the staff of the same amount
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of win. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what the stand
he say. But if they're eleven and eleven over the
last two months, but they got out into a hot
start sixteen and five, but since then they've been struggling.
And Utah, I don't think scares anybody. They would be
doing something that you know, we rarely see winning without
a super superstar has happened, you know, the Detroit team,
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you know, for it's happened. But I don't see this
Utah team doing that. Denver is not having a great year.
That the fifth seed. They're not playing like we expected,
even though they're pick picking it up a little bit. Uh, Dallas, Yeah,
Golden State, Portland, and you know, I mean that who's Phoenix?
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And I mean that's the thing, right, ain't know, the
West is really good all the way around, but nobody's
like a world beat. The team that the world beater
is Brooklyn. That's the team that is the world beat.
And I get I said to Day, I think Brooklyn
will beat the Lakers, But I don't don't see a
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Western team. Now. I see Western teams capable of beating them, yes,
but somebody that the Lakers can't beat, No, I don't
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story is just getting ugly because never ending. And you
might be right because now it's up to thirteen women
have a cute filed suits against him, civil suits, not criminals,
not criminal cases. Now I believe they're talking the Houston
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PD is thinking, rob G correct me, if aren't they
they're considering they're looking into whether or not they might
need to wells as a Friday evening and no one
from the Houston Police Department had spoken to the attorney
for all these women yet. Okay, okay, but he said
he said that he's assembling a quote unquote packet to
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submit to them to let them know if they decide
to go forward with charges. This is all the evidence
that he has well. And he's also saying, I think
it must be nine more women. Might he might have
nine more suits because I know he was saying that
Friday it was up to twenty two women, right, it
could be twenty two and toldal when he's done, Yeah,
he's an incredible number. And most of the stories all
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the same, like the m O right, a man, very
much the same. Uh, masseuse hit him on Instagram Yep, yep, yep,
and uh it's man. We said it last week, Rob
when it came out. All we want to see come
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out is the truth. We're not gonna pass judgment on
the women or because we can't do it. We don't
know that, we don't know the details, we haven't seen
any evidence, any testimony under old Chris. There's a lot
of stuff that has to go there. But one thing
we won't do is solely ignore it. You can't do that.
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You can't totally ignore it. So we talk about it,
but but we're not gonna We're not gonna sit here
and say whether you believe that the women or you
believe him that that's unnecessary. And I think that would
be irresponsible because we've seen it. I told you before
the Michael Irvin one was was a wake up call
for me. And I told you the story before. Do
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you remember when the woman said that Michael Irvin had
restrained her in the hotel room in Dallas and raped
her or something. And Michael Irvin and had already had
the drug issues in the NFL. Right, so uh. Dave
Anderson the late columns Great Commas for the New York Times,
Chris wrote a column saying that they should throw him
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out of the league, right, like they should throw him
out of right. There's a great day, was a great columas.
But he made a mistake. He wrote that they should
throw him out the league. And then the woman came
back and we can't it and said she made it up, Chris,
and and so that's why you gotta be so careful.
And I remember that vividly to say, that's why you
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just can't take look at a situation, and because of
his past in the Michael Irvin case, right, he had
a checker path automatically said, oh, yeah, that's just him. Yes,
you can't do that. That may be why a woman
would target them, right, because your reputation is already subtiy,
who's gonna believe him yet? And also remember the dupe
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lacrosse team Casey and some of my colleagues that didn't
one in particular The New York Times was just crushing them.
It was a few people crushing them. Uh. And it again,
obviously it turned out to be the wrong thing. And
uh was that Selena right now? Yeah? And I already
say her name because we're talking about Dave Anderson, who
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was a great commis. He made a mistake, Chris, it happens,
and I knew him both and Selena was a you
know rob, I mean that's what I figured. It was
Selena and tremendous. But people make mistake. That's why you
just can't rush to judgment. But this is not a
good look for him. I don't care you know what
ultimately happened. There's too many similar stories. And you said
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something in the pre show meeting about what this remind
you of, Well, it reminded me and I'm not, like
you said, we're not putting him in this class because
we don't know. He could very well be innocent, totally
innocent of all. It reminds me of what was happening
with the Bill Cosby situation. How it was just you know,
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it was a snowball effect, you know, it kind of
came out of nowhere, and then all of a sudden,
women after women started you know, accusing him. And it
was very similar. The stories were similar. I don't know
how what the totaled about fifty women. I'm Chris like.
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And here's the part that stories were similar. And that's
what caught me about this whole Deshaun thing. And again, hope,
I'm not gonna say, oh, I hope justice is served.
I hope the truth comes out. Yes, that's all we want.
We don't care about sixty. But the the the the
similarities of the stories robbed, that's the thing. And here's
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you know, it's a reckoning coming for a lot of
men robbed. That's what's happening. And and and because men
have been able to get away with things for so long,
and it's been boys will be boys and let's face it,
let's just keep it real. We've had presidence in these
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situations I mean many, but two that came you know,
I mean Trump and this situation before it was even
a le and Clinton in the White House. So this stuff,
uh has been going on and it's been pawned off
as boys will be boys, and women have kind of
had to be like, hey, it's gonna be You're not that,
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you know, you just gotta deal with it and and
it's part of the territory and all that. Those days over,
thankfully because they're they're they're over. I'm glad they're over. Period.
But when you have daughters, it hits home even more
around absolutely, I bet you know. I think if like
an intern, if my daughter was so excited, oh she
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gotta intern at the White House and she's gonna be
able to work with the present, you know, you you be,
you're you're hyped about that, and then something like that
harassment or a saut or something happens. I mean, you're
ready to take somebody out, you know, no do so
you know, I have three nieces and I talked to
all the time about it about uh, you know, behavior
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around them and what you want to allow people to
say and do around you, you know what I mean,
And it's very important. So this thing is going to
play out and we'll see what happens. But I'm with you,
it's eerily similar to Bill Cosby just from started out
as one. And here's the other part, because I remember
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arguing with guys in my barbershop in Detroit about this
and they were like, why they taking so long to
come out, you know, like, if this happened, they should
have said something years ago. And then I said, you
know what happens those women in the Bill Cosby case,
Chris he was the biggest star on television. They wanted
to work in and entertainment and if they said something,
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probably would never work. So there's part of why they
didn't say anything. And then why so many women came
out afterwards is simple, after they hear the story, they
go that happened to me, They could relate to it.
That's why, And that's what's happened here. I think if
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this is all true, quits. But basically other women who
felt like this story is similar to my story, and
that's why you get, you know, the stream of other
people after the fact, and you feel I think there
may be a situation of because because both of these
guys were talking about had I mean, who had a
better image than Bill Cosby? Nobody, nobody. He was America's dad.
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I mean literally like he was America's dad. And so
you're thinking, who's gonna believe me? Kind of like a
reverse of a Michael Irvin. And then once somebody goes
out there publicly and then you, like you said, you
get the courage and you think, okay, maybe they will,
you know, take this seriously, and you know, and it
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had a snowball effect. Let me throw this at you,
Rob quickly before we get to the listeners. Um Ian
Rappaport tweeted that all the teams that are still that
were interested in Deshaun Watson are still interested in him.
Does that surprise? That's not surprising to me, because again,
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first of all, you're innocent until proven guilty, and so look,
he may very well be innocent of this. So I
think teams should still have interests. And we look at
Kareem Hunt, we look at Tyreek Hill, you know several
players who've had these issues. A team still Anthony Yeah,
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Antonio Brown, and so I fully expect teams to still
have interests. But here's the thing, Rob Whether I mean,
if he's completely exonerated, he'll probably be able to get
out of out of the the Texans. But if I'm the Texans,
I think if they want to keep him, I just
feel like this kind of would seem to aid their case,
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don't you like just I mean, already this looks bad
for him, and now you're gonna really force your way
to a trade. And if you are guilty, you're gonna
need money, So how are you walking away from this
kind of money? I just think if they want to
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keep him, this could end up helping there. I hate
to put it that way, I want to know, but
but I also see in the court kind yeah, I
also see why other people are still interested because a
they don't know what the outcome is and they might
be able to actually steal him from them. And I
don't mean value wise, but just the idea that maybe
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he doesn't want to be here. This is negative publicity,
you know what I mean, and maybe we should just
move on from him. So that's why I think there's
always a chance
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s R. You're listening to the Best of the Odd
Cup off with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. And we
talked about it a bit last week. Are we into
the tournament? Are we not? I was getting a little
more excited as things got closer. And I have to say, Rob,
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I don't know most of these players from Adam, you know,
I know a few K Honeyham and some other guys.
But the fact is, Rob, I was into it. I
was into it. I had games all over the place,
t EV's on all over the place, watching the various
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games turn into the upsets that were happening, you know,
excited when I see up on this screen. I'm watching
one game and I see that, you know, there's two
minutes left in another game and it's a barn burner,
so I gotta go there. I mean, I was into
the tournament. Rob and it hit me like, Matt, Look,
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they could be Division three players for all I know,
but it's still is going to be excited. It could
have been Oberlin versus Ohio Wesleyan and I still would
have been into it. I don't care who the kids are,
it's I'm into it. Rob, I was hyped. I gotta
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I gotta be honest and March madness. It's second to none.
The only problem is, and I watched, not like you.
I'm still one of these guys. I've never watched the
red zone in the NFL. Never, and I'll low the
red zone been out forever right ever in a day.
And the reason is I still like to watch games.
And I'm not saying I'm gonna sit there and watch
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a blowout, but I don't go flipping just to flip around.
I'm like, I want to watch a game, and its
entirety if I watch a game. So I did watch
some games over the weekend, and there were a lot
of upsets. But you know what, Chris, you just the
statement you made is perfect for what I'm about to say.
It ain't about college basketball. That is the biggest misnomer
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this time of the year. Everybody says, oh, college basketball
is so exciting, always way better than the pros up
these kids, they're playing for nothing. It's just for the
love of the games. And yeah, you know, like it's great.
It has nothing to do with college basketball, is this one.
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It's about the tournaments for mad It could be anything, Chris,
you said, it could be Division three, how about Division four?
Make up Division four? They could be anything. Whenever they're
single game elimination and people can get knocked out on
that night, it heightens the pleasure of the game. It's
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not like four out of seven. Okay, they won this one.
It doesn't mean they're gonna win this series. I gotta
come back tomorrow night or the next on two nights
and they got another game. There's something about single game elimination.
It ain't about college basketball. College basketball is as mundane
and nameless as it's ever been. But this time of
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the year when we lather up and turn a game
on and Oral Roberts again and they're winning games. They
won two games. Roberts, I got, I got two people
I know you know, you know you get in texts,
solmn Williams, two Lions, Who's Lions, Lions pr Guy Yep,
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two brothers and right and Gayalen Gordon, who's a big
time muckety muck at ABC News. I worked with us
at ESPN. Yes, yes, those two guys somehow, some way
graduated from or Roberts. Okay, I don't know how, but
when you see them, when you go, wow, this is unbelievable.
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It's a it's about the single game elimination, when you're
able to knock people out and it's all over, Chris
and you play and you play. I mean, you you
you know what I'm saying. I'll give you I I
agree with you. The only thing I would say, and
I don't know that you're even saying this, but the
fact that it's basketball still does play some role. You know,
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like basketball just the nature of the game. It's exciting
and all of that. So, I mean, you're not saying
if it was it could be freaking you know, Tiddley
Winks College. It could be a sport to any other sport,
and it's a single game elimination. It just heightens the experience.
That's what I'm talking about. I agree with you that
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that that the bottom line is it is the single elimination.
It's the nature of it. It is. There's just no
but immediately one steps crazy. What if we had it
in the NBA for the you got your sixteen teams, right,
more than half the league makes the playoffs and it's
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a single game elimination. You would see Chris the best
basketball we've ever seen. If every night they go out
there and this is it and and don't Michael Jordan
wouldn't have six championships. Lebron James I want to go
on to the finals in ten times or right, he
wouldn't have gone in finals ten. It's impossible. Somebody can
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beat you one night. I don't care how good you are, Chris.
You could have a bad night. Somebody could have a
great night. Somebody could make an unbelievable shot, right, somebody
could have a tip in. I mean, there's so many
different things that could alter what it is, and that
would make the though that's my thing. Would you want that? Yes? Really? Four?
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Seven and the first round of the NBA is dog matter.
You can, we can. I mean, I don't mind them
playing seven, but I look, it used to be three.
It used to be best two out of three. I know,
I know back then I was there with the three
hund Michael Jordan made that shot against Cleveland. That was
that was three out of five. That was Game five
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in Cleveland. Magic and Kareem lost. After winning it, Magic
the whole thing. Magic's rookie year. They went out in
the first round the next year in a two best
of three series. Right three Houston, Yeah, and I think
it was Houston. So um, I, I mean we could
debate on that. Here's my point, though, I would not
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want to see that, and you're right the excitement would
be crazy, but it would totally I mean, what is
the point of playing an eighty two games season eighty two,
not thirty five or thirty like they play in college.
Eighty two games comes down to one game like that?
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Would it just seems like I mean, you here the
complaints rob in baseball with the wild card game or
you know, the one the one and done game in baseball.
You know, card game is exciting, but it's exciting. But
you know what I'm saying, But that's not at least
that's not the championship. I I you're right that it
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would be madness. I mean, people would be into it,
but I think the goal of the NBA is to
find the best team. Who's the best team, And you're
not gonna get it in the one a one game,
one and done scenario. You don't get it in basketball?
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Who you said it? Oral Roberts beat They beat Ohio State, correct,
and then they beat Florida. Ohio State would probably beat
them eight out of ten times, at least seven out
of ten times. So you don't And I get it.
It's fine for college. It's fired for a thirty game season.
I would not want to see that in the NBA,
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as exciting as it would be. But I'm into the
NBA playoffs as they are as long as they are.
I think as a whole, separate season, you imagine it would,
but it would change, you know, we talk about it
all the time, Chris. In the eighties, it was just
the Lakers in the Celtics, that's all it was. You
wouldn't have no Lakers in Celtics. Utah might have a
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couple of championships if it was the best out of
If it was single game elimination, you might have the
wealth of championships spread around and make it equal and
going to super teams wouldn't matter, and players might stay.
It could enhance the game and spread the spread the wealth,
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because all the great teams, even put together, could lose
one night. And I think that's the part that really
lose any given night. I remember, we all remember the
seventy two and ten Bulls. I covered it, and I
was covering the Cleveland Cavaliers as a beat writer that year,
and they came to town to Jordan and pipping and
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the Bulls winning in the midst of winning seventy two games,
and the calves of Terrell Brandon, Bobby Fields and Chris
Mills beat them. So you're right, any given night, anything
could happen. However, let's think about it. Rob. You said
super teams wouldn't matter, they would because remember what John
Wooden did. He had super teams and he was able
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to win what ten championships. So if you have overwhelming talent,
you still would win a lot. If you have a
chance to get you have more of a chance to
get beat. There your start could have a bad night.
What a Cunningham. He had a bad night for them
right after that, lost two nights, right but that night
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what was six for twenty from the field. He looked
more like uh Richie Cunningham in the NCAA tournament. Nothing,
Alex that best man that would be on his top
five list. Really, I will say top ten. I don't
know that there's a top ten. The top five. I
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just got back. I gotta start him humble. But now
I hear you, right, But I'm shocked that you would
rather see the NBA in that format because we no longer. Now. Look,
here's the thing, and remember the NBA played with this idea.
Adam Silver tossed it. Oh, we might have this mid
season tournament that yeah. Yeah, Now, I believe traditions important.
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And to your point, if we all grew up and
the NBA was a one and done situation and it
was what we knew, I think we'd be into it
and we'd be used to it and it be what
it was. What if they think it was the season
down the sixty two games, Chris right, sixty two games
a tournament like this. I don't know if it's sixteen
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or whatever, but it was about like mid season one
and done tournament. No. I wanted to be for the
for the for the Maybe I maybe kind of think
sixty two is still too much for one, and I
don't know, I mean, that's just my personal but it
would be like this, maybe you do this, this is
just to get you through the first three rounds and
then the championship is four out of seven or three
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out of five, where it's like you still would happen.
But if you get a championship with the freaking Miami
Heat and you know you don't want to here's what
I'd say, Rob. This goes to the NBA's idea of
for a mid season tournament over time, Like when they
first proposed the idea, oh, we're gonna have this mid
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season tournament euro Cup style and you know, one and done,
and it's sound like, well, who cares. Who's gonna care
that you won a mid season tournament, But over time
that could become significant. Now, because we're not used to it,
we might pooh poo it, But ten years from now,
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twenty years from now, people would be like, what, yeah,
Lebron has four rings and three you know, mid season
championships too. Jordan had six rings and five mid season
cup now whatever, you know like it? I think it
would gain over time, it could become legitimate and maybe
that would be a one and done situation, but I
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wouldn't want to see it. I would not want to
see it without the like series. If you want to
cut the first round to five games, that's all right,
but I wouldn't want to see That's why they went
to seven, Rob, because two out of three was two
easy to get upset. Four out of seven is too many.
How many four games sweets? Where eight eight of playing ones?
And then there should be playing good game? You know
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over the weekend or Saturday. Lebron James goes down with
a high ankle sprain in a game against the Atlanta Hawks,
and dirty did you nah? And we talked about that
on your Undisputed today. I'm totally with you, Like it
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was a loose ball. And I heard Montres Harold say
that Solomon Hill, who's the one that injured Lebron, didn't
make a basketball play. Here's the thing on a loose ball,
what's the basketball play on the loose ball? They dive,
they reached, they jumped for loose ball, whatever it takes
to get it. I mean, you know, within reason, And
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that's what he was doing. He dove for a loose ball,
and his momentum carried him into Lebron's ankle, as Lebron's
momentum carried him into Solomon and that was it. Solomon Hill.
Here's the thing, right, if Lebron was dribbling up the
court or even on the wing in a triple threat
position or whatever, just had control of the ball and
a guy died at him, that's one thing. But this
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wasn't that. So I just and and look the fact
that it was only a Lakers teammate or teammates, uh
that and Lakers fans that saw it is dirty, Rob.
That tells you everything. Lebron didn't say. Everybody nobody around
the league said it. So, Uh, Solomon Hill should not
be castigated or anything for that. And he said, like,
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I'm just I respect the game. I was just trying
to make, you know, get the ball basically, and it happen.
That's what it looked like. It it happens, right, you know.
But here's my take. Uh, And we don't know how
long he's gonna be out. Some people are saying if
he if he recovers quickly, he could be back in
three to four weeks if he you know. But but
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it could be six weeks. You know. Obviously he's older,
thirty six years old now, and at the older you get,
the longer takes you to recover, and you wonder if
that will play a factor. But here's what I'm gonna say, Rob,
I believe they're gonna fall mightily in the standings if
he's out four weeks out a month, the fifteen games
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they play in that period, ten of them are against
playoff teams, so the so right there, you got a
you got a five and ten record, right, and that's
not even including that's not including their next game, which
is against New Orleans, who's not a playoff team right now,
but playing well, you know, they beat Denver, they beat
the Clippers just within the past week, so that's not again,
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so I expect them to fall. Rob there two and
a half games ahead of six seeded Portland, so they're
the third seed, the Lakers, but they could fall to
six or below. And you know, Rob, anything below six
you're in the playing game. So there you go with
your your marsh madness. Almost you know. The way it
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works is the seventh and eighth seeds play the ninth
and tenth seeds and they get two times. The seventh
seed will get two chances to beat the tenth seed,
and you know, which you should be able to do.
But you know, if you don't, you're out. But I
expect him to fall Rob and maybe even the seven.
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But I still believe if and it's a big if,
I don't know if it's a big if, but we
expect them, right, we expect Anthony Davis to come back healthy,
and we expect Lebron James to come back healthy. If
they do. Rob, let's say it's six weeks. Lebron's back,
a couple of weeks before the playoffs begin, Anthony Davis
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is back in two or three weeks from today, and
he's got time to work himself in the shape. I still,
Rob Parker, believe the Lakers are the team to beat
in the West. I could not disagree with you more.
I think that the Lakers any thought or idea that
they were gonna repeat just went out the window. It's
bad enough not having Anthony Davis, but now Lebron for
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potentially a month, you're gonna be trying, and even when
he gets back, you don't know where he is. At
thirty six years old, Chris totally different animal. I know
Lebrons had had a history of being able to come
back quicker than normal, but as you get older, those
things don't happen. Anthony Davis has been out a lot,
and this team, even with those two guys, aren't as
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good of the same team as when they had Rondo
and Dwight Howard and JaVale McGee. I don't think that
I don't think that this team is better than that team.
And obviously that team won a championship, so of course, Chris,
you know what I mean on paper, But I don't
think that this team is better. And now you're asking
for two guys to come back and you're two stars,
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and for them to be okay after not playing for
a while together. It's just too many things have to
go right for them to compete and for them to play.
And then the West is tough. That the West is tough.
So you say, because you started by saying you don't
think they will repeat. Look, I do know I think that,
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but I think the West I think their chance, but
championship aspirations are done. They will not get out of
the West. They will not compete for a championship. Wow wow,
Robert Walker. I mean, here's the thing. Look, let's say,
worst case scenario, they're a seven seed, and I think
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while they maybe seven, when Lebron gets back, I think
you'll lift them a few spots so they may fin
us up as a sixth seed. Let's say they they're
the sixth seed and you start off the first round
with I don't know, Phoenix. Okay, that's a tough one,
but you know that they can be Phoenix. And then
you got the three six matchups, so you're in the
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two three. So maybe you got the Clippers in the
second round. You you're gonna have to beat these teams anyway. No,
I get that like the West, you know that the wet,
like like the first seed. You talk they let's say
they finished for they could get Dallas Golden State saying
Antonio the winers round last year, right, I mean Dallas
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with no pushover. Then at Denver that had gone to
the that was one game away from the conference finals
a year before, right Denver, Remember they lost in the
game seven at home to Portland that they didn't get
to the to the conference finals. Chris, so so tough. Yeah.
So my point is, yes, they'd love to finish in
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the top three or four. But even if you even
if you finish with one of those seeds, the road
to the NBA Finals in the West is going to
be tough. But Rob, So here's my thing picture, and
you are absolutely right. If Lebron James doesn't come back
close to himself, they got no chance. I'll be the
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first to admit that. And if Anthony Davis isn't himself
if that, you know, we hate to hear the word Achilles.
So if this Achilles injury is more serious than they're
letting knowing, and he's been out for a month so
it's already fairly serious. But if it's really debilitating, then
I don't think a Lebron and a half speed ad
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can win the West. But I'm operating on the assumption
that they will be back, you know, close to full health.
And are you gonna tell me you're gonna take I
just throw out a Nicola Yokichen Jamal Murray over Lebron
in Ad yep, because I just don't know where they're
going to be. I just think too many things have
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to be right for them to win, and if there's
any setback or somebody gets gimpy, they won't win. And
I just don't like the team. I don't I don't
like the makeup of the team that they had, even
with those guys. I think that they made a mistake.
And I get it. You don't always want to stand
pat Chris. You want to make some moves right and
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spice it up for a different group of guys, So
I get that. I just think it's going to be
a real tough and there's just too many things that
have to go right for them to win. And I
think whenever you're we're banking on more than one or
two things having to be right. It was one thing
waiting for Anthony Davis to come back. Now you're waiting
for Anthony Davis and Lebron, And we don't know what
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the situation will be with Lebron being off that long
at thirty six years old. We don't know if Anthony
Davis will he be gimpy, will will he be a
little leery because of what we saw with Durant? You
know what I mean. These are all factors that could
factor in. So I'm just I'm I'm here today and
I just I don't believe they make it out of
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the Western Conference. I don't believe they have a chance
to repeat for their championship. I think this year will
wind up being a wash, and you people will look
back at it and go, you know what, Anthony Davis
and Lebron got hurt that year, and that's the reason
that they weren't able to compete or get out of
the West. That'll be They're built an excuse on why
things went a ride. Well, if that's the case, it'll
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be a legitimate explanation, you know, because obviously they would
have had a chance to win the West with those
two healthy. But again, I still like them in the West.
I still think they're a team to be And I
look week. Do they miss JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard
at the rim? Yeah, but guess what, they got the
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number one defense in the league. And that's with Anthony
Davis missing a month of games, and they rob one
thing about the Lakers they played. It was just it
was just a week ago to Knicks had the number
one defense. So I mean, but that's fine. I mean,
you can go back Knicks play great defense. No, I
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know what I'm saying. They were fine James and Anthony
Dave right, but there were five movies that was just
a week ago. I'm just saying. I'm just talking about
the eye test. As far as the team, I don't
think that this team is as good as when I
look at them the eye test. Their defense is noticeable,
Like it's noticeable how good they are defensively. They get
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after it. Shrewder at this point is a better defender
than Rondo was. Now I get playoff Rondo was big
last year and we'll see if Shrewder can replicate what
Rondo gives them. But Shrewder's a better player at this
point in his career than Rondo was last year. Now
they do, I think more than the rim protection, because
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you know, we talk about this all the time, Rob,
who's really you know, the dudes ain't killing you at
the rim anymore like they used to for the most part.
And what I think they miss more is they don't
shoot the ball very well. Now. Perhaps they're slumping. You know,
Guyser we saw him in the bubble last year when
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they first got there in the regular season and eight
regular season games they couldn't hit threes and they couldn't
stop threes, and then the playoff starting, they turn it
up a notch. So maybe that'll happen now. But they
don't shoot the three ball very well. That to me
is their biggest problem and they should be out there
on the market looking to add some shooting. But I
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think here's my other thing, Rob, Nobody in the West
as good as it is, and we know it's deep
and all that. Who's scary. The Clippers aren't scary? The
Clippers have gone eleven in need eleven over the last
two months. The Clippers are six and eight over the
last month, and they're three and five over the last
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like two three weeks. They have trouble in the clutch
Kauai and their numbers are bad in the clutch because
they really need a point guard to get them into
a good offense rather than just going one on one
late in games. And then surprisingly their defense isn't even
that good as men. But they got one with us
winding the Lakers or the staff of the same amount
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of win. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what the stand
he say. But if they're eleven and eleven over the
last two months, but they got out into a hot
start sixteen and five, but since then they've been struggling.
And Utah, I don't think scares anybody. They would be
doing something that you know, we rarely see winning without
a super superstar has happened, you know, the Detroit team,
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you know, for it's happened. But I don't see this
Utah team doing that. Denver is not having a great year.
That the fifth seed. They're not playing like we expected,
even though they're pick picking it up a little bit. Uh, Dallas, Yeah,
Golden State, Portland, and you know, I mean that who's Phoenix?
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And I mean that's the thing, right, ain't know, the
West is really good all the way around, but nobody's
like a world beat. The team that the world beater
is Brooklyn. That's the team that is the world beat.
And I get I said to Day, I think Brooklyn
will beat the Lakers, But I don't don't see a
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Western team. Now. I see Western teams capable of beating them, yes,
but somebody that the Lakers can't beat, No, I don't
see that. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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story is just getting ugly because never ending. And you
might be right because now it's up to thirteen women
have a cute filed suits against him, civil suits, not criminals,
not criminal cases. Now I believe they're talking the Houston
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PD is thinking, rob G correct me, if aren't they
they're considering they're looking into whether or not they might
need to wells as a Friday evening and no one
from the Houston Police Department had spoken to the attorney
for all these women yet. Okay, okay, but he said
he said that he's assembling a quote unquote packet to
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submit to them to let them know if they decide
to go forward with charges. This is all the evidence
that he has well. And he's also saying, I think
it must be nine more women. Might he might have
nine more suits because I know he was saying that
Friday it was up to twenty two women, right, it
could be twenty two and toldal when he's done, Yeah,
he's an incredible number. And most of the stories all
(28:29):
the same, like the m O right, a man, very
much the same. Uh, masseuse hit him on Instagram Yep, yep, yep,
and uh it's man. We said it last week, Rob
when it came out. All we want to see come
(28:50):
out is the truth. We're not gonna pass judgment on
the women or because we can't do it. We don't
know that, we don't know the details, we haven't seen
any evidence, any testimony under old Chris. There's a lot
of stuff that has to go there. But one thing
we won't do is solely ignore it. You can't do that.
(29:11):
You can't totally ignore it. So we talk about it,
but but we're not gonna We're not gonna sit here
and say whether you believe that the women or you
believe him that that's unnecessary. And I think that would
be irresponsible because we've seen it. I told you before
the Michael Irvin one was was a wake up call
for me. And I told you the story before. Do
(29:33):
you remember when the woman said that Michael Irvin had
restrained her in the hotel room in Dallas and raped
her or something. And Michael Irvin and had already had
the drug issues in the NFL. Right, so uh. Dave
Anderson the late columns Great Commas for the New York Times,
Chris wrote a column saying that they should throw him
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out of the league, right, like they should throw him
out of right. There's a great day, was a great columas.
But he made a mistake. He wrote that they should
throw him out the league. And then the woman came
back and we can't it and said she made it up, Chris,
and and so that's why you gotta be so careful.
And I remember that vividly to say, that's why you
(30:16):
just can't take look at a situation, and because of
his past in the Michael Irvin case, right, he had
a checker path automatically said, oh, yeah, that's just him. Yes,
you can't do that. That may be why a woman
would target them, right, because your reputation is already subtiy,
who's gonna believe him yet? And also remember the dupe
(30:40):
lacrosse team Casey and some of my colleagues that didn't
one in particular The New York Times was just crushing them.
It was a few people crushing them. Uh. And it again,
obviously it turned out to be the wrong thing. And
uh was that Selena right now? Yeah? And I already
say her name because we're talking about Dave Anderson, who
(31:01):
was a great commis. He made a mistake, Chris, it happens,
and I knew him both and Selena was a you
know rob, I mean that's what I figured. It was
Selena and tremendous. But people make mistake. That's why you
just can't rush to judgment. But this is not a
good look for him. I don't care you know what
ultimately happened. There's too many similar stories. And you said
(31:24):
something in the pre show meeting about what this remind
you of, Well, it reminded me and I'm not, like
you said, we're not putting him in this class because
we don't know. He could very well be innocent, totally
innocent of all. It reminds me of what was happening
with the Bill Cosby situation. How it was just you know,
(31:46):
it was a snowball effect, you know, it kind of
came out of nowhere, and then all of a sudden,
women after women started you know, accusing him. And it
was very similar. The stories were similar. I don't know
how what the totaled about fifty women. I'm Chris like.
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And here's the part that stories were similar. And that's
what caught me about this whole Deshaun thing. And again, hope,
I'm not gonna say, oh, I hope justice is served.
I hope the truth comes out. Yes, that's all we want.
We don't care about sixty. But the the the the
similarities of the stories robbed, that's the thing. And here's
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you know, it's a reckoning coming for a lot of
men robbed. That's what's happening. And and and because men
have been able to get away with things for so long,
and it's been boys will be boys and let's face it,
let's just keep it real. We've had presidence in these
(32:52):
situations I mean many, but two that came you know,
I mean Trump and this situation before it was even
a le and Clinton in the White House. So this stuff,
uh has been going on and it's been pawned off
as boys will be boys, and women have kind of
had to be like, hey, it's gonna be You're not that,
(33:13):
you know, you just gotta deal with it and and
it's part of the territory and all that. Those days over,
thankfully because they're they're they're over. I'm glad they're over. Period.
But when you have daughters, it hits home even more
around absolutely, I bet you know. I think if like
an intern, if my daughter was so excited, oh she
(33:34):
gotta intern at the White House and she's gonna be
able to work with the present, you know, you you be,
you're you're hyped about that, and then something like that
harassment or a saut or something happens. I mean, you're
ready to take somebody out, you know, no do so
you know, I have three nieces and I talked to
all the time about it about uh, you know, behavior
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around them and what you want to allow people to
say and do around you, you know what I mean,
And it's very important. So this thing is going to
play out and we'll see what happens. But I'm with you,
it's eerily similar to Bill Cosby just from started out
as one. And here's the other part, because I remember
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arguing with guys in my barbershop in Detroit about this
and they were like, why they taking so long to
come out, you know, like, if this happened, they should
have said something years ago. And then I said, you
know what happens those women in the Bill Cosby case,
Chris he was the biggest star on television. They wanted
to work in and entertainment and if they said something,
(34:41):
probably would never work. So there's part of why they
didn't say anything. And then why so many women came
out afterwards is simple, after they hear the story, they
go that happened to me, They could relate to it.
That's why, And that's what's happened here. I think if
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this is all true, quits. But basically other women who
felt like this story is similar to my story, and
that's why you get, you know, the stream of other
people after the fact, and you feel I think there
may be a situation of because because both of these
guys were talking about had I mean, who had a
better image than Bill Cosby? Nobody, nobody. He was America's dad.
(35:24):
I mean literally like he was America's dad. And so
you're thinking, who's gonna believe me? Kind of like a
reverse of a Michael Irvin. And then once somebody goes
out there publicly and then you, like you said, you
get the courage and you think, okay, maybe they will,
you know, take this seriously, and you know, and it
(35:45):
had a snowball effect. Let me throw this at you,
Rob quickly before we get to the listeners. Um Ian
Rappaport tweeted that all the teams that are still that
were interested in Deshaun Watson are still interested in him.
Does that surprise? That's not surprising to me, because again,
(36:06):
first of all, you're innocent until proven guilty, and so look,
he may very well be innocent of this. So I
think teams should still have interests. And we look at
Kareem Hunt, we look at Tyreek Hill, you know several
players who've had these issues. A team still Anthony Yeah,
(36:28):
Antonio Brown, and so I fully expect teams to still
have interests. But here's the thing, Rob Whether I mean,
if he's completely exonerated, he'll probably be able to get
out of out of the the Texans. But if I'm the Texans,
I think if they want to keep him, I just
feel like this kind of would seem to aid their case,
(36:51):
don't you like just I mean, already this looks bad
for him, and now you're gonna really force your way
to a trade. And if you are guilty, you're gonna
need money, So how are you walking away from this
kind of money? I just think if they want to
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keep him, this could end up helping there. I hate
to put it that way, I want to know, but
but I also see in the court kind yeah, I
also see why other people are still interested because a
they don't know what the outcome is and they might
be able to actually steal him from them. And I
don't mean value wise, but just the idea that maybe
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he doesn't want to be here. This is negative publicity,
you know what I mean, and maybe we should just
move on from him. So that's why I think there's
always a chance
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