August 22, 2024 • 22 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Andy Furman is in for Chris, and he and Rob explain why New York Yankees star Aaron Judge is already a top-5 slugger in MLB history, debate whether Joey Votto deserves to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame and argue if Ja’Marr Chase should be willing to sit out regular season games in order to get the contract he wants from the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's start Andy with baseball. Can't believe it. It's refreshing,
it's refreshing, it is refreshing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
But you know you're talking to me and I'm talking
to you. We're baseball guys. Okay, Yeah? And you know what,
we could do a phony NFL story to satisfy people,
or we could talk about what's happening today and guess
what's happening today, Aaron Judge is what's happening today? Have
you ever seen a tear like this?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Andy? For real?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He is not getting the exposure he deserves. What he
has done right now over the last ninety one hundred
ball games is unheard of. I mean, and they don't
even hype him enough for MVP. I really, look, he's
been overshadowed by the NFL. I know that he's gotta
be the MVP an investigation if he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Crazy is Bobby Wood Junior is having an unbelievable year
with the Royals, but it doesn't compare.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I mean, Judge is hitting is it three thirty five
or three thirty four with four eight homers?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
RBIs we still got six weeks five weeks ago to go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's amazing. Really, it's tremendous.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And you know, I don't think people appreciate a player
like this is a generational type player. Really, he really is,
I mean ty con paring hit to the numbers that
Manle put up Mickey Mantle back when he was an
MVP back in nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right now, Rob G was it?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Bob Nightingale?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What is the stat that we just saw and that
didn't even include the home run from today?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But he's averaging Andy over You got a Rob G.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, in the last ninety games heading into Thursday, not
counting today.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, right, go up, but it would go up because
it's less than seven at bats, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Judge has been unstoppable, hitting three eighty two Did you
hear that?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Three eighty two for power hitter.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Forty homers, ninety seven rbi across his last ninety games,
his home runs per at bat seven point seven?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Did you hear that? Okay? So, just to put into context,
all right, better than an RBI a game. He averaged
better than an game. Right.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Barry Bonds, you many call the greatest player in baseball history,
had a home run rate of about thirteen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So one home run every thirteen at bat.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yep, Aaron Judge, who was one of the most prolific
home run hitters we have ever seen, fast three hundred
in MLB history. His career rate is eleven and a
half at battles.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Which is a great number, right which.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Which is all time great. And right now, in this
current stretch that he's on coming into today again, what
you're gonna improve seven point seven?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Andy, it really to hit a home run that often.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And my god, if this guy wasn't banged up and
hurt all those things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
At bats he's missed and games he's missed over the
last few years. If he played, where he would be
And here's the thing, Andy and Rob he is my
proof in twenty seventeen, remember he broke in in what
twenty sixteen? I put him down as one of my
(03:11):
top five sluggers of all time, and people freaked out.
They thought it was way premature that you know, he
didn't have enough sample size.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
How can you do that? And I looked at this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And at the rate he was hitting home runs and whatnot.
And I'm gonna tell you this right now. Agreed, disagreed,
Tell me what you think. But if Judge would have
retired today. I think he would rank as a top
five slugger home run hitter of all times. Like that
is where he cemented himself on this current stretch, Andy,
(03:49):
that we've never seen. We've never seen anybody this prolific.
It is incredible, Like every day. Aren't you surprised when
he doesn't at home run?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, that's what it was like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But here's the thing. I don't think he's getting the
exposure deserving for what he's accomplished. I just don't believe
he has. And you're right about he'd be a top
five slough are you with me on that?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
With you already right already?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And the fact that he plays in New York, you
think he get even more exposure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But he's not.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He's being overshadowed by Aaron Rodgers, NFL and things like that,
which really don't mean anything right now.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
NFL is nothing. It doesn't mean anything for two three
weeks from now. Yeah, but not in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean he gets you know, New York's a baseball
town and you know this what Aaron Judge is doing,
people are eating up. Uh. You know, we can talk
about the rest of the world and the country and
all this, but I don't know anybody. We talked about
him the other day and people were really happy that
we were talking.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
About about this and where he fits in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But this is something that Andy, when I said this
in twenty seventeen, I just I don't remember a guy
six foot seven.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
He has everything you want.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, forget about the Little League coach on Long
Island who tried to drag Aaron Judges name, you know,
through the mud. And you saw how the Yankees responded.
They were not happy and they pushed back.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Let's do that story again because I think maybe people
may have missed that the Little League World Series, the
manager of the team was upset because Aaron Judge was
like ignoring his team, didn't wink, didn't wave to his team.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And that's right, that's what he claimed that he didn't
give that team from Staten Island, New York enough love.
But all the pictures I saw was Aaron Judge around kids.
Didn't you see him?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And after I read the start, I said, you know what,
now I know why athletes hate the public, hate the
media because they can't win.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They can't win. They really can't.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, I get it now, I have no problem
with an athlete waving himself away. If a guy shoves
a paper in his face for an autographic walk, so
at it. Now, I understand why I see it. When
this sob from the Little League has the hangy downs
to say that about Aaron Judge, Oh my goodness. Really
he should be reprimanded by the Little League.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And the Yankees made the point, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That if there was an issue, why wouldn't he address
it with the Yankees rather than just going and putting
that out there to make Aaron Judge the bad guy.
And and the Yankees pushed back on it. They're not
going to have their star player where people make it
like he doesn't like kids or he ignored the kids,
(06:38):
and the Little League.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm just going by I don't know. And you know what,
there are a lot of kids, Andy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Could there have been a situation, you know what I
mean where somebody didn't get the attention or whatever. But
but all the pictures I saw was Aaron Judge around.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Kids, right right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But you know what the best thing about Aaron Judge
was when he kind of rolled the dice on his contract.
Remember that was big, It was huge. People say, hey,
you know he's foolish. He should you know, he could
get hurt, and that's the injury history he won. I
love that, I really do. But but this is something
to behold. It really is.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And if you you know how hard it is Andy
to hit home runs. Everybody can't hit home runs, and
for this guy to hit it with the regularity, it
doesn't matter. He's not just I'm not hey. He hits
the ball out of the ballpark at Yankee Stadium. We
know right field is short, but that's not the only
place he hits home runs. It's not like he's just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Taking advantage of a small ballpark. He hits him everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And and you know the old chicks loved the long ball,
are you kid? Not only the long ball you just
talked about Andy? The RBIs like one RBI averaging more
than an RBI game. The batting average three eighty something
in a stretcher of ninety something games. Do you know
how many guys now in the big leagues of batt
(08:02):
in two twenty but not even now?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You look at the National League leaders. Was a Zuna
for the Braves. He's lea in the league with a
three on nine average, this guy's like eighty points higher.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's crazy, it is.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Let me let me say this judge is currently posting
a two twenty six ops plus, not counting the bigger
and late career version of Barry Bonds. That's the best
mark since Mickey Mantle posted a two twenty one figure
and his MVP year of nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
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Speaker 2 (09:22):
Andy Furman, Yes, Sir, News out of Cincinnati. Joey Vado,
a fan favorite in the NATI, has officially said he
is retired from Major League Baseball. And people in Cincinnati,
all my friends have text me. They know I have
a Hall of Fame vote, they know how much I
love the game, and they text me my man Mike
(09:45):
in Cincinnati. Andy, you've had lunch with Mike and he's like,
hall of Fame question mark, Joey Vado, hall of Fame
question mark.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, if you ask me, if you could ask me
that question, I'm going to ask you first, and then
I'll give you my answer. He's certainly not a first
ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
There's no such thing. Either your Hall of Famer or
you're not. That's my issue with this. Okay, my answer
is this. First, I want to quote Pete Rose for
a second. Pete Rose once told me this, and he said,
if you don't make the Hall of Fame on the
first shot, you should never get.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
In the Hall of Fame because you never get any better.
That's what Pete told me. And I said, you make
a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Pete Rose said, if you're not getting in in the
first try, you should never get in at all, because
he's not going to get better as years go by.
And he ask me, Joey Vados claim to fame to
everybody is that he played for one Tea for seventeen years.
He two ninety four lifetime hours. I don't think he's
a Hall of Famer. And if you want to ask
the question the class of twenty twenty nine, you got
(10:44):
to take a peak, Zach Granky, Miguel Carberra. I mean
he's going against Adam Waynwright. Come on, Michael Brantley, Bobby
A Bra I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I don't either, And Pete Rose is one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's the way I vote. Andy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
If I don't vote for you the first time, I
never vote for you. If I vote for you the
first time, I always vote for you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The stats don't change.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So when I see guys who nobody votes for them
for their first nine years and they say, well, this
is last year on the ballot and then he gets elected,
that makes no sense to me. It just doesn't either.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You're a Hall of Famer or you're not.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Joey Vado had a fine major league career. He's in
the Hall of Very Good and there are a lot
of players Andy in that hall a ton. Joey Vado's
not a Hall of Famer, and people, if you got
to make a case for him, it tells you how
much he's not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The conception there instead of Vado crazy.
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Speaker 2 (11:57):
We just finished talking about a Cincinnati ball player and
Joey Vado, who officially announced his retirement.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so fitting with you being a Cincinnati staple and icon.
Jamar Chase has been willing to sit out games in
uh Cincinnati and and Andy. He wants a contract. And
I know people love, Oh, don't sit out. It's only
going to hurt your career and this that, But this
(12:28):
is the only way you could get paid. And I
can't knock the kid for wanting to get his value.
You see all these other guys around getting paid. The
wide receiver market is through the roof correct, and he
feels like I'm almost a big part of that Cincinnati
Bengals team that went to the super Bowl. He's a
he's a star player. He wants to be compensated. This
(12:51):
game is fleeting. It's hard for me to be mad
at a guy who wants his value.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Tell me about Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Tell me about the feelings in Cincinnati fans wise or
from the team.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Just give me a feel on.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm gonna give you all of you in the whole situation,
This Brandon Ayuk situation in San Francisco became a national story.
People talk about it every day. Is that every sports
cast the Jamark Chase situation. They didn't even talk about
it as matter of fact in the daily paper. This
is not the inquiry which you wrote for at a time.
It's buried on the back page. And when they when
they pined down coach Zach Taylor of the Bengals, what's
(13:27):
going on with Jamar Chase, he'll come out and say
we have a plan. No one knows what that plan is,
but he says they have a plan. I have mixed
emotions on this. For this team to win, they need
Jamar Chase. Joe Burrow needs him. They played together at LSU.
There's no doubt about that. However, I don't know why sports,
of any other business on God's Green Earth, is the
(13:47):
only one where you want more money. I ain't gonna
play and not gonna work, and you're gonna tear up
the contract give me more money. He's under the contract
for two more years. It's not like he's looking for
his next meal. He's gonna make twenty six point six
million this year. Why would you tie it up? I
rip up that contract. It bothers me, It really does.
(14:08):
What if you or I went it to the offices
of Fox Sports ready to say, you know, I'm not
happy with what I'm getting because Joe Blow at the
other station's making more than me, and I don't want
to do it. So I'm not gonna work until you
rip it up and give me a new deal. Ain't
gonna happen. You know, they'll say adios, see you, see
you later. But in sports it's okay to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Coaches do it. They do it all the time. On
the college level. They're jumping around the all the time.
I get it. It's a staple of the sports industry.
But it makes me sick and I cringe, and the
Bengals need him, and they're gonna back out.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
They're gonna back down. Mike Brown's gonna give them money.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Why History shows us back when Aj Green was the
receiver for the.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Cincinnati Bengals, he did the same situation.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And when I got off the bus in Arizona before
the first game, he signed a contract.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Now I disagree with you from this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Standpoint that it has been done and sometimes you out
w perform your contract, and it's okay to want to
be compensated fairly. The same way Andy that people sign
long term deals in the NFL that's not fully guaranteed,
and when it comes time for you to get that
sheddar at the end of the contract, they decide they
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don't want to honor it, or they say to you,
in order to stay on the team, we're in a
salary cap crunch. We need you to rework your deal
and for you to take less money if you want
to stay on a team. So they okay. So if
they can do that to you, why in the world
can't it be the other way around, where you've outperformed
(15:37):
that contract. And you deserve more money, and that the
only way that they're going to do it. They shouldn't
have this because they can do whatever they want to do.
We've had plenty of NFL former NFL executives say that
these teams can do whatever they want. They can kick
the can to kick the payment down the road, Andy,
(15:57):
they can spread the money out over a long period
of time time. They can do whatever they want. They
just don't want to do it, and I think it's unfair.
I'd rather the NFL give people real three or four year,
fully guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Andy.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
If a guys good, he gets another one. If a
guy's bad, you let him go and move on. You
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Rather than contracts, and it's a dangerous sport. You could
get Injine, your next career is three and a half
years in the NF. No one's making them do it.
That's the thing that contracts mean nothing. Well, you're telling
me contract why sign a contract?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Why in fact that Jamar Chase even sign a contract
if he if he's not respecting it or or honoring it,
because that's what.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
The But the teams do the same thing, like you
signed a deal and they come to you and say,
if you don't take a cut, Andy, even though we
sign for a particular number, we're gonna have to release.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You or let you go. The last guy that you
heard got cut a big name guy, you know what
I mean, but a receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, because most of the time those guys come in
and they do it like I don't know why they
do it, but they usually will bend. And I totally
disagree with it. I think the contract should just be shorter,
termed guaranteed and let people perform. They're so afraid that
if they give these guys a three year deal Andy,
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and they outperform it, now what they're gonna have to
pay them even more. So they get them under these
seven eight year contracts where the last three or four
years aren't guaranteed, and then they can decide what they
want to do if you if you outperform the contract
and they got a big raise, then they don't want
They can only bring you back for a per cut.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, it's dirty pool all over the place. That's
the way it is.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
But you know what, it's a monopoly when you think
about it. Where are they going to go to the
Canadian Football League. They got them. That's what they do
and they haven't knowledge.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the only thing that players could do is what
Jamar Chase is doing r which is this is all
you have.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And it hurts me, not so much because I'm a
raw Rob Bengal fan. It hurts me because these fans
are paying big money. They raised the price of tickets
every year. Three years ago they had the worst attendance
in the National Football League or four years ago, I.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Believe it was.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And now you can't get a ticket as a waiting list,
and the prices go up and up and up, and
they want to see the best possible players you can.
And without Jamar Chase, they're gonna be hurting. Remember back
in twenty eighteen when Le'Veon Bell sat out the year,
what did it do for him?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
His career down the toilet, He's finished. Yeah, but he
did get a bigger contract and it still didn't want
to but he missed the whole year. I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I mean, you have to make a decision in your
life and you can't let people take advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And if you remember before they were overworking.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Him in Pittsburgh, you remember how many carries and talking
like they burn you out, Andy, and then they didn't decide, oh,
we're not going to resign you that that's is that
fair to a guy?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, they do it. That's how Bill Belichick ran his team.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, we they did a lot of right, A
lot of the defensive players never got paid in New England.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right, they came up for the big money. They got
rid of them. Yes they did, you know, but that's
the philosophy of it. And look, it's a money game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Though, it's it's wrong and and and that's why it
kills me that guys would go play for New England.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm dead serious. And I know people are like, well,
where are you going to go?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, if I know that there's an organization that's not
that is known for not paying people, I would not
want to go there. And I don't care if they
drafted me. I wouldn't want to go where if I play. Well, Andy,
you're not going to compensate. I always say, pay people
who produce.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's really you know what, It sounds great with you saying,
but it doesn't work that way because if you look
at the National Football League, the people who get paid,
the quarterbacks and wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The lineman will get paid. No, that's now, and it's
not fair. And and neither one of those. Yeah, neither
one of those. And at one point runner batters to
get paid. Now they don't want to pay. No, cann't
even have a fullback. That's just like a dinosaur. That
position's gone in the National Football League. But the biggest
thing is Andy, if you want to win in the
National Football League, you gotta be able to run the ball.
(20:11):
You gotta be able to eat clocks. You gotta get
first downs on short ordered situations. Right, So they act
like they don't need the running backs, but you do.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You do because he eats the clock up. You're exactly right.
But here's the thing. Let's go back to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Dak Prescott's is gonna shit out, and Jerry Jones is
a fool because the longer he waits, the more money
Dak Prescott's gonna get. He's gonna end up maybe being
the richest quarterback of the National Football League is a
deserving of it. No, but that's just the market, the
way the market is structured. And that's why Jerry Jones
screwed up, because he should have signed him in June.
That's what he should have done because he waited too.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Long, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I always say that I don't know what the delay
is because it only costs you more, right, right, let's
just be and it only costs you more. So why
would you put yourself in that the longer you wait,
and especially if it's somebody who you want, it does.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Not make doesn't make the player just selfish. I mean,
there are some people in the marketplace say that Jamar
Chase is selfish because he may sit out the regular seat.
He may sit at the opening day, you know, the
second game of the year, they play Kansas City. He
doesn't play against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They have no shot.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I just I just don't believe in that selfish.
He has to take care of his livelihood, his family,
and I'm not going to be mad at him in
a league without guaranteed contract. And you got to take
a look at these other ones where people are getting paid.
They're throwing all this cash around. Why can't you have
any like that?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But you sound as if the guy's like he waiting
for his next meal. He makes twenty six mill this year,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
There's guys making big money why shouldn't you if you
feel like, hey, I'm one of the top wide receivers
as well, why am I not getting cashed out when
they're cashing all these other guys.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'll tell you why, because in life and people who
do the same function don't necessarily make the same amount
of money. If you're a news anchor on one TV station,
doesn't mean you're gonna get paid the same as another
news anchor or another TV's name. But you're doing the
same function doesn't mean you get the same amount of money.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I agree, But if you can prove or show that
you are valuable and your ratings that you bring in
or whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The Bengals without Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You know, Joe Burrow's cool and all, but he ain't
gonna be the same quarterback without him.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'm not saying why.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Doesn't Joe Burrow to take a slash in his salary
like Tom Brady did all those years and give him
give his guy to Jamar Chase some money.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Then it does it because they don't have the defensive
signals of the other teams that made Brady's job easy.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I'm just saying, I'll listen to you. Oh the Year
pump that took the year out of the football exactly
Let's start Andy with baseball. Can't believe it. It's refreshing,
it's refreshing, it is refreshing.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
But you know you're talking to me and I'm talking
to you. We're baseball guys. Okay, Yeah? And you know what,
we could do a phony NFL story to satisfy people,
or we could talk about what's happening today and guess
what's happening today, Aaron Judge is what's happening today? Have
you ever seen a tear like this?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Andy? For real?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He is not getting the exposure he deserves. What he
has done right now over the last ninety one hundred
ball games is unheard of. I mean, and they don't
even hype him enough for MVP. I really, look, he's
been overshadowed by the NFL. I know that he's gotta
be the MVP an investigation if he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Crazy is Bobby Wood Junior is having an unbelievable year
with the Royals, but it doesn't compare.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I mean, Judge is hitting is it three thirty five
or three thirty four with four eight homers?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
RBIs we still got six weeks five weeks ago to go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It's amazing. Really, it's tremendous.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And you know, I don't think people appreciate a player
like this is a generational type player. Really, he really is,
I mean ty con paring hit to the numbers that
Manle put up Mickey Mantle back when he was an
MVP back in nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right now, Rob G was it?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Bob Nightingale?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What is the stat that we just saw and that
didn't even include the home run from today?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But he's averaging Andy over You got a Rob G.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, in the last ninety games heading into Thursday, not
counting today.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, right, go up, but it would go up because
it's less than seven at bats, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Judge has been unstoppable, hitting three eighty two Did you
hear that?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Three eighty two for power hitter.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Forty homers, ninety seven rbi across his last ninety games,
his home runs per at bat seven point seven?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Did you hear that? Okay? So, just to put into context,
all right, better than an RBI a game. He averaged
better than an game. Right.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Barry Bonds, you many call the greatest player in baseball history,
had a home run rate of about thirteen.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So one home run every thirteen at bat.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yep, Aaron Judge, who was one of the most prolific
home run hitters we have ever seen, fast three hundred
in MLB history. His career rate is eleven and a
half at battles.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Which is a great number, right which.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Which is all time great. And right now, in this
current stretch that he's on coming into today again, what
you're gonna improve seven point seven?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Andy, it really to hit a home run that often.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And my god, if this guy wasn't banged up and
hurt all those things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
At bats he's missed and games he's missed over the
last few years. If he played, where he would be
And here's the thing, Andy and Rob he is my
proof in twenty seventeen, remember he broke in in what
twenty sixteen? I put him down as one of my
(03:11):
top five sluggers of all time, and people freaked out.
They thought it was way premature that you know, he
didn't have enough sample size.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
How can you do that? And I looked at this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And at the rate he was hitting home runs and whatnot.
And I'm gonna tell you this right now. Agreed, disagreed,
Tell me what you think. But if Judge would have
retired today. I think he would rank as a top
five slugger home run hitter of all times. Like that
is where he cemented himself on this current stretch, Andy,
(03:49):
that we've never seen. We've never seen anybody this prolific.
It is incredible, Like every day. Aren't you surprised when
he doesn't at home run?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, that's what it was like.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But here's the thing. I don't think he's getting the
exposure deserving for what he's accomplished. I just don't believe
he has. And you're right about he'd be a top
five slough are you with me on that?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
With you already right already?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And the fact that he plays in New York, you
think he get even more exposure.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But he's not.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He's being overshadowed by Aaron Rodgers, NFL and things like that,
which really don't mean anything right now.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
NFL is nothing. It doesn't mean anything for two three
weeks from now. Yeah, but not in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean he gets you know, New York's a baseball
town and you know this what Aaron Judge is doing,
people are eating up. Uh. You know, we can talk
about the rest of the world and the country and
all this, but I don't know anybody. We talked about
him the other day and people were really happy that
we were talking.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
About about this and where he fits in.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But this is something that Andy, when I said this
in twenty seventeen, I just I don't remember a guy
six foot seven.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
He has everything you want.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, forget about the Little League coach on Long
Island who tried to drag Aaron Judges name, you know,
through the mud. And you saw how the Yankees responded.
They were not happy and they pushed back.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Let's do that story again because I think maybe people
may have missed that the Little League World Series, the
manager of the team was upset because Aaron Judge was
like ignoring his team, didn't wink, didn't wave to his team.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And that's right, that's what he claimed that he didn't
give that team from Staten Island, New York enough love.
But all the pictures I saw was Aaron Judge around kids.
Didn't you see him?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
And after I read the start, I said, you know what,
now I know why athletes hate the public, hate the
media because they can't win.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
They can't win. They really can't.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I mean, I get it now, I have no problem
with an athlete waving himself away. If a guy shoves
a paper in his face for an autographic walk, so
at it. Now, I understand why I see it. When
this sob from the Little League has the hangy downs
to say that about Aaron Judge, Oh my goodness. Really
he should be reprimanded by the Little League.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And the Yankees made the point, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That if there was an issue, why wouldn't he address
it with the Yankees rather than just going and putting
that out there to make Aaron Judge the bad guy.
And and the Yankees pushed back on it. They're not
going to have their star player where people make it
like he doesn't like kids or he ignored the kids,
(06:38):
and the Little League.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm just going by I don't know. And you know what,
there are a lot of kids, Andy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Could there have been a situation, you know what I
mean where somebody didn't get the attention or whatever. But
but all the pictures I saw was Aaron Judge around.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Kids, right right.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But you know what the best thing about Aaron Judge
was when he kind of rolled the dice on his contract.
Remember that was big, It was huge. People say, hey,
you know he's foolish. He should you know, he could
get hurt, and that's the injury history he won. I
love that, I really do. But but this is something
to behold. It really is.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And if you you know how hard it is Andy
to hit home runs. Everybody can't hit home runs, and
for this guy to hit it with the regularity, it
doesn't matter. He's not just I'm not hey. He hits
the ball out of the ballpark at Yankee Stadium. We
know right field is short, but that's not the only
place he hits home runs. It's not like he's just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Taking advantage of a small ballpark. He hits him everywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
And and you know the old chicks loved the long ball,
are you kid? Not only the long ball you just
talked about Andy? The RBIs like one RBI averaging more
than an RBI game. The batting average three eighty something
in a stretcher of ninety something games. Do you know
how many guys now in the big leagues of batt
(08:02):
in two twenty but not even now?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You look at the National League leaders. Was a Zuna
for the Braves. He's lea in the league with a
three on nine average, this guy's like eighty points higher.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's crazy, it is.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Let me let me say this judge is currently posting
a two twenty six ops plus, not counting the bigger
and late career version of Barry Bonds. That's the best
mark since Mickey Mantle posted a two twenty one figure
and his MVP year of nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
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Speaker 2 (09:22):
Andy Furman, Yes, Sir, News out of Cincinnati. Joey Vado,
a fan favorite in the NATI, has officially said he
is retired from Major League Baseball. And people in Cincinnati,
all my friends have text me. They know I have
a Hall of Fame vote, they know how much I
love the game, and they text me my man Mike
(09:45):
in Cincinnati. Andy, you've had lunch with Mike and he's like,
hall of Fame question mark, Joey Vado, hall of Fame
question mark.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, if you ask me, if you could ask me
that question, I'm going to ask you first, and then
I'll give you my answer. He's certainly not a first
ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
There's no such thing. Either your Hall of Famer or
you're not. That's my issue with this. Okay, my answer
is this. First, I want to quote Pete Rose for
a second. Pete Rose once told me this, and he said,
if you don't make the Hall of Fame on the
first shot, you should never get.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
In the Hall of Fame because you never get any better.
That's what Pete told me. And I said, you make
a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Pete Rose said, if you're not getting in in the
first try, you should never get in at all, because
he's not going to get better as years go by.
And he ask me, Joey Vados claim to fame to
everybody is that he played for one Tea for seventeen years.
He two ninety four lifetime hours. I don't think he's
a Hall of Famer. And if you want to ask
the question the class of twenty twenty nine, you got
(10:44):
to take a peak, Zach Granky, Miguel Carberra. I mean
he's going against Adam Waynwright. Come on, Michael Brantley, Bobby
A Bra I don't think he's a Hall of Famer.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I don't either, And Pete Rose is one hundred percent right.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
That's the way I vote. Andy.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
If I don't vote for you the first time, I
never vote for you. If I vote for you the
first time, I always vote for you.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The stats don't change.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So when I see guys who nobody votes for them
for their first nine years and they say, well, this
is last year on the ballot and then he gets elected,
that makes no sense to me. It just doesn't either.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You're a Hall of Famer or you're not.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Joey Vado had a fine major league career. He's in
the Hall of Very Good and there are a lot
of players Andy in that hall a ton. Joey Vado's
not a Hall of Famer, and people, if you got
to make a case for him, it tells you how
much he's not a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The conception there instead of Vado crazy.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
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Speaker 2 (11:57):
We just finished talking about a Cincinnati ball player and
Joey Vado, who officially announced his retirement.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so fitting with you being a Cincinnati staple and icon.
Jamar Chase has been willing to sit out games in
uh Cincinnati and and Andy. He wants a contract. And
I know people love, Oh, don't sit out. It's only
going to hurt your career and this that, But this
(12:28):
is the only way you could get paid. And I
can't knock the kid for wanting to get his value.
You see all these other guys around getting paid. The
wide receiver market is through the roof correct, and he
feels like I'm almost a big part of that Cincinnati
Bengals team that went to the super Bowl. He's a
he's a star player. He wants to be compensated. This
(12:51):
game is fleeting. It's hard for me to be mad
at a guy who wants his value.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Tell me about Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Tell me about the feelings in Cincinnati fans wise or
from the team.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Just give me a feel on.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I'm gonna give you all of you in the whole situation,
This Brandon Ayuk situation in San Francisco became a national story.
People talk about it every day. Is that every sports
cast the Jamark Chase situation. They didn't even talk about
it as matter of fact in the daily paper. This
is not the inquiry which you wrote for at a time.
It's buried on the back page. And when they when
they pined down coach Zach Taylor of the Bengals, what's
(13:27):
going on with Jamar Chase, he'll come out and say
we have a plan. No one knows what that plan is,
but he says they have a plan. I have mixed
emotions on this. For this team to win, they need
Jamar Chase. Joe Burrow needs him. They played together at LSU.
There's no doubt about that. However, I don't know why sports,
of any other business on God's Green Earth, is the
(13:47):
only one where you want more money. I ain't gonna
play and not gonna work, and you're gonna tear up
the contract give me more money. He's under the contract
for two more years. It's not like he's looking for
his next meal. He's gonna make twenty six point six
million this year. Why would you tie it up? I
rip up that contract. It bothers me, It really does.
(14:08):
What if you or I went it to the offices
of Fox Sports ready to say, you know, I'm not
happy with what I'm getting because Joe Blow at the
other station's making more than me, and I don't want
to do it. So I'm not gonna work until you
rip it up and give me a new deal. Ain't
gonna happen. You know, they'll say adios, see you, see
you later. But in sports it's okay to do that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Coaches do it. They do it all the time. On
the college level. They're jumping around the all the time.
I get it. It's a staple of the sports industry.
But it makes me sick and I cringe, and the
Bengals need him, and they're gonna back out.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
They're gonna back down. Mike Brown's gonna give them money.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Why History shows us back when Aj Green was the
receiver for the.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Cincinnati Bengals, he did the same situation.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
And when I got off the bus in Arizona before
the first game, he signed a contract.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Now I disagree with you from this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Standpoint that it has been done and sometimes you out
w perform your contract, and it's okay to want to
be compensated fairly. The same way Andy that people sign
long term deals in the NFL that's not fully guaranteed,
and when it comes time for you to get that
sheddar at the end of the contract, they decide they
(15:16):
don't want to honor it, or they say to you,
in order to stay on the team, we're in a
salary cap crunch. We need you to rework your deal
and for you to take less money if you want
to stay on a team. So they okay. So if
they can do that to you, why in the world
can't it be the other way around, where you've outperformed
(15:37):
that contract. And you deserve more money, and that the
only way that they're going to do it. They shouldn't
have this because they can do whatever they want to do.
We've had plenty of NFL former NFL executives say that
these teams can do whatever they want. They can kick
the can to kick the payment down the road, Andy,
(15:57):
they can spread the money out over a long period
of time time. They can do whatever they want. They
just don't want to do it, and I think it's unfair.
I'd rather the NFL give people real three or four year,
fully guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Andy.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
If a guys good, he gets another one. If a
guy's bad, you let him go and move on. You
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Rather than contracts, and it's a dangerous sport. You could
get Injine, your next career is three and a half
years in the NF. No one's making them do it.
That's the thing that contracts mean nothing. Well, you're telling
me contract why sign a contract?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Why in fact that Jamar Chase even sign a contract
if he if he's not respecting it or or honoring it,
because that's what.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
The But the teams do the same thing, like you
signed a deal and they come to you and say,
if you don't take a cut, Andy, even though we
sign for a particular number, we're gonna have to release.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You or let you go. The last guy that you
heard got cut a big name guy, you know what
I mean, but a receiver.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, because most of the time those guys come in
and they do it like I don't know why they
do it, but they usually will bend. And I totally
disagree with it. I think the contract should just be shorter,
termed guaranteed and let people perform. They're so afraid that
if they give these guys a three year deal Andy,
(17:23):
and they outperform it, now what they're gonna have to
pay them even more. So they get them under these
seven eight year contracts where the last three or four
years aren't guaranteed, and then they can decide what they
want to do if you if you outperform the contract
and they got a big raise, then they don't want
They can only bring you back for a per cut.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I mean, it's dirty pool all over the place. That's
the way it is.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
But you know what, it's a monopoly when you think
about it. Where are they going to go to the
Canadian Football League. They got them. That's what they do
and they haven't knowledge.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
And the only thing that players could do is what
Jamar Chase is doing r which is this is all
you have.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And it hurts me, not so much because I'm a
raw Rob Bengal fan. It hurts me because these fans
are paying big money. They raised the price of tickets
every year. Three years ago they had the worst attendance
in the National Football League or four years ago, I.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Believe it was.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
And now you can't get a ticket as a waiting list,
and the prices go up and up and up, and
they want to see the best possible players you can.
And without Jamar Chase, they're gonna be hurting. Remember back
in twenty eighteen when Le'Veon Bell sat out the year,
what did it do for him?
Speaker 1 (18:27):
His career down the toilet, He's finished. Yeah, but he
did get a bigger contract and it still didn't want
to but he missed the whole year. I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I mean, you have to make a decision in your
life and you can't let people take advantage of you.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And if you remember before they were overworking.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Him in Pittsburgh, you remember how many carries and talking
like they burn you out, Andy, and then they didn't decide, oh,
we're not going to resign you that that's is that
fair to a guy?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, they do it. That's how Bill Belichick ran his team.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You know, we they did a lot of right, A
lot of the defensive players never got paid in New England.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right, they came up for the big money. They got
rid of them. Yes they did, you know, but that's
the philosophy of it. And look, it's a money game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But it's wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Though, it's it's wrong and and and that's why it
kills me that guys would go play for New England.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I'm dead serious. And I know people are like, well,
where are you going to go?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, if I know that there's an organization that's not
that is known for not paying people, I would not
want to go there. And I don't care if they
drafted me. I wouldn't want to go where if I play. Well, Andy,
you're not going to compensate. I always say, pay people
who produce.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's really you know what, It sounds great with you saying,
but it doesn't work that way because if you look
at the National Football League, the people who get paid,
the quarterbacks and wide receivers.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
The lineman will get paid. No, that's now, and it's
not fair. And and neither one of those. Yeah, neither
one of those. And at one point runner batters to
get paid. Now they don't want to pay. No, cann't
even have a fullback. That's just like a dinosaur. That
position's gone in the National Football League. But the biggest
thing is Andy, if you want to win in the
National Football League, you gotta be able to run the ball.
(20:11):
You gotta be able to eat clocks. You gotta get
first downs on short ordered situations. Right, So they act
like they don't need the running backs, but you do.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You do because he eats the clock up. You're exactly right.
But here's the thing. Let's go back to Dallas.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Dak Prescott's is gonna shit out, and Jerry Jones is
a fool because the longer he waits, the more money
Dak Prescott's gonna get. He's gonna end up maybe being
the richest quarterback of the National Football League is a
deserving of it. No, but that's just the market, the
way the market is structured. And that's why Jerry Jones
screwed up, because he should have signed him in June.
That's what he should have done because he waited too.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Long, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I always say that I don't know what the delay
is because it only costs you more, right, right, let's
just be and it only costs you more. So why
would you put yourself in that the longer you wait,
and especially if it's somebody who you want, it does.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Not make doesn't make the player just selfish. I mean,
there are some people in the marketplace say that Jamar
Chase is selfish because he may sit out the regular seat.
He may sit at the opening day, you know, the
second game of the year, they play Kansas City. He
doesn't play against Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They have no shot.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I just I just don't believe in that selfish.
He has to take care of his livelihood, his family,
and I'm not going to be mad at him in
a league without guaranteed contract. And you got to take
a look at these other ones where people are getting paid.
They're throwing all this cash around. Why can't you have
any like that?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But you sound as if the guy's like he waiting
for his next meal. He makes twenty six mill this year,
it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
There's guys making big money why shouldn't you if you
feel like, hey, I'm one of the top wide receivers
as well, why am I not getting cashed out when
they're cashing all these other guys.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'll tell you why, because in life and people who
do the same function don't necessarily make the same amount
of money. If you're a news anchor on one TV station,
doesn't mean you're gonna get paid the same as another
news anchor or another TV's name. But you're doing the
same function doesn't mean you get the same amount of money.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I agree, But if you can prove or show that
you are valuable and your ratings that you bring in
or whatever you like.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The Bengals without Jamar Chase.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You know, Joe Burrow's cool and all, but he ain't
gonna be the same quarterback without him.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'm not saying why.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Doesn't Joe Burrow to take a slash in his salary
like Tom Brady did all those years and give him
give his guy to Jamar Chase some money.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Then it does it because they don't have the defensive
signals of the other teams that made Brady's job easy.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I'm just saying, I'll listen to you. Oh the Year
pump that took the year out of the football exactly
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