July 1, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether the recent flurry of moves in Milwaukee (waive-and-stretch Damian Lillard, sign Myles Turner) were made to keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy or give him the ammunition to finally request a trade out of town, use the Dawn Staley-to-the-Knicks rumors to discuss if the NBA is ready for a female head coach, and explain why this recent All-Star Game voting fiasco isn't unique to Caitlin Clark at all.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Not sitting around step away from your phone for two
minutes and you come back.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He went where he sorrd for what? Yeah, it was
a big shakeup in Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
On Tuesday morning, ESPM, Shan Sharanya reported that the Milwaukee
Bucks would be waving and stretching Damian Lillard, which means
that the one hundred and thirty million dollars they owe
him will now be paid out over five seasons, which
means for the next five years, Milwaukee's gonna be bang
named twenty two and a half million dollars on their
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books to not play for that.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
But what you don't know, Rob is twenty two million
and pistachio nuts.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's not cast right.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And the reason they did that is because they wanted
to take his salary and be able to sign Indiana
pacersent a former Indiana Pacers center Miles Turner, to a
four year, one hundred and seven million dollar contract, which means,
when you factor in the cap hold of Damian Lillard
plus the new salary for Miles Turner, the Milwaukee Bucks
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are essentially paying about fifty million dollars a season to
replace Damian Lillard with Miles Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And here's the kicker.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
About an hour after this news went public, longtime NBA
insider Chris Haynes reporter on NBA TV that Jannis was
quote not pleased by Milwaukee's decision, and according to Haynes,
Yannis quote just did not like the way it was
all handed.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, See, did you hear what he said? He
didn't say like Une, I'm not down with this move
the way it was handled. That's so that when you
see Damien out of restaurant, it's like, man, I can't
believe they did that to you or whatever. Like if
you buying any of this, that the mill Milwaukee Bucks
organizations doing something without Yannis knowing, I think you're kidd yourself.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Well, we're on the same page. I told this to Robgs.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We talked about the show earlier today, I said, this
is Gianni is his way to go. See, man, I tried,
I tried Milwaukee, I tried, fans.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I wasn't gonna leave.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know, I was trying to stick around, and you
know I do Me and Dame, Me and Demien, Me
and Damien could come back and that we could play
and we could do this. This is his way of saying, now, look,
I don't know what they're doing. They they're letting Dame go.
I didn't know we're making moves. We signed Miles Turner
when we already signed Bobby Porter, so we just signed
the same guy twice. And I just think that this
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is his way of exiting. I think he has been
interested in exiting. I think he obviously was wanted to
see some moves that they would make before he makes
that final decision to ask for a trade fully. And
this makes it where it's more palatable, easier to take
spoonful of medae sugar with the medicine to go down,
easier for the fans, so he can say, hey, I tried,
but look at the moves. Even you be mad if
you were me to the fans. And I think he's
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seeing all sort the stuff that's happened around the NBA.
He's seen the Rockets getting better. He seeing the Nuggets
getting better, He's seeing the Hawks getting better.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
He's seeing some.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Other teams make moves, and I think he's like, I
gotta get out of here. This is my chance to
do so because you mentioned it. Listen, I disagree with
you totally. I think you've totally misread this. Okay, And
I think totally I think this is his way of
being like he has his.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hands on it. Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
This is miss getting rid of Dame?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes, Damian Lillard in Milwaukee was a bust.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
It didn't work.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It didn't work.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
From day one. It never worked. And the whole idea
that he's not gonna play next year, having him on
a team where he's coming back from an injury and
not playing, that's not gonna help Giannis. The only way
that they did this is because and they're willing to
eat all of this money for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
He ain't going nowhere. He signed off on this, this
whole idea. Like the way it was handled.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That's being nice for Damian little and giving him some respect.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
He didn't say, what are they doing? Are you kidding me.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I wanted Dame to sit on the bench street closed
next year next to me.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Are you kidding? He ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
He never asked for a trade, and now these moves
that they've made and.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Gone out to do. His hands are on this. And
what I mean by.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
This is he knows what Milwaukee is doing, which is
giving him a chance in an Eastern Conference where the
Celtics are banged up and have changed their team and
basically have punted for a year with taint them out,
and the Pacers are punting.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right with a year out.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So you got only the Knicks basically Philadelphia and Milwaukee
and saying, Yannis, we can retool this, and Cleveland, we
can retool this.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There's a chance here.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But we can't sit here and wait on Damian Lillard,
who didn't even click with you from day one. When
they got Damian Lillard, people are like, oh my god,
this is perfect.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Am I right? No, we're looking for right and it
never worked.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Damian Lillard in Milwaukee was a broads that fell on
the ground, got hair on it and had no mustard
on it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was grown by the way.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I just had a bro we had on the news
show today, we had some grilled dudes come on and
grilled up.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Do you know what I'm saying that that hair on it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, if I'm about say who's here, if
it's somebody in my house, one of my daughters and
my wife, we gotta keep eating.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
We gotta keep eating now high on the food you
eat with the family. You know my wife's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But come on, I mean, you just I'm gonna leave
that out there. You know what I'm saying. I guess
you go.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I hear, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The only the only thing I'm thinking is the moves
that they've made. Who Bobby portis is a good player
for them, So I'm not mad at them resigning Bobby
Ports but then turning around to me and signing Myles
Turner is kind of signing the same guy straight for
Bobby Porters does a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They said Moll turn is gonna play center for them, right.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I'm saying, you got too big like you okay,
Brook Lopez lose leaves and you got another big who
stretches the floor. To me, they haven't made moves that
make me feel like this is a team we can
win with to me, this is a team.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
This team is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Better than last year.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
This is the fourth fifth seed that and in East again,
the East is open in the sense that Boston was
the BOHEMI that we thought was gonna repeat this past
season or have a great shot to and then that
just all spiraled out, especially now with injuries.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
But I just think.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm not wild by the team.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I think for me, I thought this would be
an exit point to say, all right, now I can
go be where I want to be and have a
shot to win it with whomever. Because once you add
Giannis to a good to already really good team, now
you're over the top. I thought this would be this
opportunity to go join you know, obviously if we want
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to say it's the Spurs or something like that, you know,
kind of some teams that could kind of make sense
on paper.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But that would have happened during this whole thing, because
you would need to know, like what you're doing like that,
Like if Giannis was really gonna be moved somewhere, I
thought it would have been, it would have happened by
now for the other team or for the yeah, for
the other team, for the other team, and and the
bucks too. This if this is gonna happen, you gotta
you're not gonna wait till free agencies over and you're
you've allocated money and now somebody's got to give up
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all these players.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I would I assume that would be in the mix already.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And that's the thing I think Gianni's has the luxury
of doing is kind of waiting to see how this goes,
because now if he comes out and starts not asking him,
demanding for a trade, then you kind of force their hands.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's not even his makeup and just that that's not
his makeup. So I hear you on that, and reports
are that he has not asked.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Right, But what I'm saying right and could could have before,
it's not his makeup to cause a funk. I agree
with that, but it's also his ma. It's also a point.
It's no one's make up until you finally have had enough,
you know what I mean, Like if.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You're whether you do I think eating that much money
when they're when they're basically said, like seriously, like they
could have said, we're Milwaukee was we can't do this,
we can't eat one twelve. We gotta wait from the
can you can you hang on another year and wait
from the Okay, this is my point. And they're showing action,
not just saying like the Celtics just dismantled their team.
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The Pacers are like, we're not paying a luxury tax.
We're not going anywhere how stars out. Okay, we're not
doing that. I get that. And the and the Bucks
are like the East okay, the Knicks are there, we
don't know what the Sixers are right, and you got Cleveland, okay,
like it's there to be taken and let us go
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retool this. I think I give Milwaukee credit not being
playing the we're the small market, we can't afford Okay,
we can't pay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You all out at once. We spread it out, but
they're gonna give them money.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And only the only pushback out half of that though,
and we'll get later in the show on the more
the Dames side of it. But my point would be is,
in trying to do this, you threw a major allue
to Dame, you know, and again we'll talk a little
further about that, but in trying to if it's trying
to facilitate the happiness of Giannis, you threw a.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Huge to me the bigger win it would be for Dame.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
And again he can't play, but I mean, but he's
nulling void in Milwaukee. He can't. I'm you know what
I mean something So for Giannis like having Dame around,
Like seriously, they did the right thing. He can't play
next year? What is the point, right? But I'm in
this again. We'll talk about then. Dame to me is
a massive winner in this. We'll talk about that portion. Well,
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you'll see if anybody wants him. I mean, if he's
getting money. So if he takes a minimum or something,
that's what I'm saying, nobody's going to go sign him
to and that's the that's the big end.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But he got his feelings hurt. You can't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Don't kid yourself. I ain't no way. He probably thought
that they would do they'd eat that much.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
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Speaker 5 (10:46):
Rob g our report out at Dawn Staley was a
interview by the New York Knickerbockers.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yay, it actually happened over the weekend guys, there was
a report that came out from Knicks Fan TV.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Never heard of him, but.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They had reported over the weekend show that Don Staley
had met with the Knicks brass about their vacant head
coaching position. Now that story was not picked up really
anywhere because honestly, who's Knicks Fan TV. We have no
idea who they are, how riputable they are.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
What have you?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
On Tuesday morning, the Athletic confirmed that yes, Don Staley
did meet with the Knicks front office, and while they
were very impressed with her presentation and their conversation, they
decided not to move forward with her in the head
coaching church. And right now, all signs point to the
team bringing in Mike Brown, former Calves, former Lakers, former
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King's head coach to be the next head man in Gotham.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Can I say this, I'd rather have Charlie Brown at
this point. I mean Mike Brown. Really, I'm sorry. Uh,
he's been everywhere, and you know, the teams are all pretty.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Good, but really, Mike Brown, Mike Brown, Mike Woodson. I
just told me he's the anti Tips. That's basically where
you're at. But I don't get that.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I'm serious if Mike Brown came with something or championship,
but then I'm all in. Really, the guy got fired
five game from the Lakers. That guy, Mike Brown, that's
the guy that bring it to New York. Come on,
if you're gonna make that move, it's gotta be somebody
who's got a chip in the back pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You said Mike Malone, and I didn't think he was
a guy, but I got your premise.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He's got a ring.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
He's got You can't say he's tips out here, Well
he's tips.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Guess why Tim don't have a ring. That's why, you know,
I have a job.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And this, this is this is why again I go
back to Donald, Donald Sterling, Jim Dolan. You know, oh man,
we gotta quit going for shiny things and quit when
we got something.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
We gotta ride it out.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We can't just keep making these moves and then they
make the move like okay, now, okay, re treading all right?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But anyway, anyway, uh down Staley, I'm a tremendous basketball
college basketball coach and all that. I don't even you know,
coaching is coaching, you know, men of coached women forever
and this whole idea, and so I don't I'm not
any questions about whether or not she could coach. I
just the game is the game, So I think she
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can coach. I just don't think it's going to happen.
And I don't think the NBA is ready for it
because it was all set up. Becky Hammond was supposed
to be the first female coach. She got anointed by Pop.
Everybody pop all I love pop, right, and is all
the success that he had.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
She was the assistant.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
She was an assistant coach sitting there right, and she
got a few interviews. It never panned out. Where is
she now?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Is she in the she's WNBA coach.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
So she's a w NBA and that's what she wound
up and in Vegas. And I just think that they
just people aren't ready for that, just like people aren't
ready for a female president of the United States. I
really believe that because we saw it happen twice. But
I just don't believe that. You know, it was nice
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and out of respect to her and to have a conversation,
get her feel for the game and what is she seeing?
You know, like a lot of these interviews are fact
finding too.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What would you do? What are we doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And you're taking all these notes too.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, that's a good point exactly, you know what.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Yeah, we should do that, didn't the fourth cat at
the end of the quarters? Yeah he should He shouldn't
be in there.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Jalen Brunson. Don't have to pound the ball out the
air of you.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
So, so I get why they bring in people because
they want to hear these these basketball minds and see
what they're seeing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So it's a and it's a it's a it's it's good.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
For her too, like, oh wow, the Knicks interviewed you
when you go back to college and they're like, wow, okay,
well you get NBA feelers that could only help you
if you're if you're Dawn Stale.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You just led me to a point I was gonna make.
I think it will happen eventually. I was talking to
rob Gie earlier and I said, I think we'll see
it in the next three to four years. Yeah, I
think we'll see it then. I just think that's just
the way society is going. I think that's the way
the NBA is getting really unique, very progressive ownerships. And
I think some of them will say I want to
be the one to have done this first, but a
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perfect spot that listen, I have no argument with that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Becky had. We it was almost more of a shock.
She didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We were like, wait, that kind of sat there. Pop
is always progressive, and in him.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Being it said I'm gonna be honest, it said something
about her because she had interviews and and it didn't happen.
I'm just saying because it was she laid the groundwork.
She had everything set up for this to happen. Do
you understand what I'm saying? Like the the ultimate endorsement
by Pop on the bench, people respected her, she did
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put on her dudes one like, they rushed her to
the front of.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line, all that she's the person that if it happens,
no one's mad.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's kind of simar.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But that it didn't happen for her is what makes
me question who else has done all those steps, you
know what I mean and gotten the endorsement.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's what I'm chockbos.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So I'm looking at this too.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So going back to Don Staley, I think the reason
why this is significant is because I think Dawn Staley,
if you, if you kind of kept track of what
she said, because you know, she gets asked this question,
would you go to NBA?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
What'd you go do with this?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And she's always said her, she's maintained her she believes
her kind of a plight in or not plight. But
her journey in life is to continue to promote the
game for the WNBA, continue to promote South Carolina, continue
to promote for the women. She said, I know it'd
be cool, and I get it, but I just feel
like I'm led to just do that. And the reason
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why I think an interview like this matters because even
if the Nicks say, I know, you're not really interested,
because that was the other port, right rob Gi, They're not,
they weren't serious, it would just kind of have this
meaning with her. I think they knew there that she's
not full interested. She knew that they're not fully interested
per se. And I think this is big so that
it becomes more normalized, so that it's, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We're interviewing back game.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Oh yeah, we've been to stay Lough and it's not
like what really And I think she takes it as
a step for it to become that so that when
the next team thinks of people, they can think of somebody.
New York is a great play, some good steakhouses, some
good food in it. When they go and they you
know what I mean, that take you out to.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh you take the meeting. You know this in the
business listen.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Except for Chris and I used to have big arguments
about this, and I like, if there's no job, I'm
not going to an interview. I'm talking about an interview
that where there's no job, like they're just kind of
doing a dog and pony show. Like I don't believe
in that said you still yeah, and I just don't.
If there's a job, I'm interested in going, but like
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to just be like like the NFL does like like
you know that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Because we have to we need we need to just
bring you with this.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
But I remember when Matt Millan was going to hire
the Steve Marriucci has a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Everybody knew it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And they couldn't get one brother to come to Detroit
to do the Rooney Rules. They know it was because
they knew what it was. It was a sham. And
so people don't do me like that. If the job's open,
you know I'm interested in going, you don't have to
hire me. Forced to hire me, but don't have me
come in act like the jobs open and you already
picture guy.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But what if it's past October sixth and it's the
world's best cheesecake place and they got I'm not going, Okay,
I'm not, and she's there, I'm not going.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Montreal is there.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well that's different. I might have to at least get
some cream for dinner again.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But to get back to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I just think this was big for Don Staley, big
for other women, big for the Nixon that these conversations
are having happening, and it's semi normalizing it to where's, oh,
he's having an interview, and it's kind of just becomes normally.
All Right, they're considering, you know, another female candidate. Okay,
it's up there, because I don't you mentioned it earlier.
(19:10):
I remember when these conversations started happening, especially when we
start to see a lot.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Of female assistants in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And I believe the NFL will do this way before
the NFL because I think there's an inherent you.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Didn't play You think who will do it the.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
NBA before the NFL have a female coach because I
think the NBA the game is the game in the CDA,
I can't see the NFL. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Because you spent time and we love her. She's a
friend of the show, you personal friend for you, Nancy Leberman.
So if she ended up being a coach, he's coaching
a Big Three and it's like whatever, who you don't
even think if I told you Sheryl Miller. If I
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was coming into some college or and she was my coach,
if Pat Summit was Mike, you didn't think all right, cool,
And it's you know, there's a handful of people that
just it boom and automatically makes sense. And the game
is different. You game is the game you play. The
game is the same with the NFL. I just don't
see that happen because I think there's an inherent you
didn't play. You don't know what if it was, like,
there's a physicality, and I just think it will. I
(20:06):
don't think it's gonna happen for at least one hundred
years in the NFL, Whereas the NBA, I think in
a handful of years, we're gonna see this happen.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
With these seas, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
A better chance. Yeah, definitely. I just think it wouldn't.
You wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You'd be sitting at Friday's Chili's wherever, like Becky Hammond is,
oh okay, wow.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay, and you it looked like it was gonna happen, right,
you would.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Whereas if all of a sudden I told you then
and then such and such as the coach of the
Pittsburgh Steelers you'd be like, whoa, what it'd be.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It'd be a big deal. Get n B A.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I think you'd almost go, oh, yeah that makes sense,
don state, Oh that's kind of dope, you know what
that makes okay?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I think the minor baseball is a few in the
minor leagues. I think it's one rank them. Is it
NBA first? We both agree that. I just think because
the game is so much similar, right, and you have
people on that level coaching major college basketball yep.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And the Browns interview kind of Leana Rice that was
for the team president, right, Yeah, so there's some there's
some moves happening obviously, she's what the college football playoffs
and the whole you.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Know, seeding there.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think it would go NBA, MLB, NFL, and I
think the other the other two take a while. I
think MLB and football like hold up, yeah, I agree
a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I agree, But I think basketball is the same game.
I definitely can.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
See I think three to four years, rob's both of y'all.
I think we're gonna see it happened in the NBA.
A progressive ownership is going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Like I'm gonna say, it's a little longer than that.
But I do because Becky Hammon woods right on the
But to me it went backwards.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Don Staley's players are going to be like, go do
it to prove that you can do it. Go prouvee.
They're gonna do it Like now, She's gonna do it
at some point. Watch. That's what I believe.
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Speaker 3 (21:58):
So guys, you already know this.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Kailin is a captain for the twenty twenty five WNBA
All Star Game, which will take place in Indianapolis next month,
largely because she was far and away the leading vote
getter by the fans. In fact, she got so many
votes it was the most by any player in WNBA
All Star Game history.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Right, here's the problem.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
On Monday night, it was revealed the entire ballot, not
just the fan vote, not just the media vote, but
also the player vote. And while Kaylyn Clark was far
and away first amongst fans, and while Kaylen Clark was
third amongst media, she finished a distant ninth when voted
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by her peers. In fact, it was such a jarring
discovery that of the eight players listed in front of her,
the number five and number eight players voted on by
her peers didn't even crack the top ten in cumulatives score. So, guys,
I guess, as they say, the jealousy still runs deep
(23:06):
for Caitlyn Clark in the de w NBA.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And I'm gonna say this. I know people are gonna
paint it as women caddy all that other stuff. I'm
here to push back on that, and I'm here to
deliver a public announcement for sports fans out there and
uh in America. This is not shocking to me whatsoever.
(23:37):
This is not a Caitlin Clark issue.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This is a athlete issue. And when I talk about this,
I'm dead serious. Stop listening to play podcast. Stop it
because they won't and they can't be honest about players
(24:11):
who are playing currently because they have skin in the game.
They can't give you an honest take. I'm not surprised
by this at all. Zero Are you still listening to
Gilbert Arenas's podcast? Does he have a proverbial gun to
your head? Just turn the station to unsubscribe. Stop it already.
(24:39):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'm being out with you.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
It's a public service announcement and the reason I say
this and Kevin, I'm that serious.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
When the NBA in twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Seventeen gave players a chance to vote for the NBA
All Star Team, one hundred and twenty eight of the
three hundred and twenty four players did not vote for
Lebron James. One hundred and fifty four players out of
three twenty four did not vote for Kevin Durant. They
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have skin in the game. They're never gonna be honest.
They're never going.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
To tell you the real Oh you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You would to tell me in an exhibition game, people
couldn't look at Lebron Jays.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
How in the world did you not vote for him?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's an exhibition it's an all star game, Caitlin Clark, Right,
it's an all star game. Really, they're not honest with you.
They're in bed with too many people. Oh so and
so's my girl, or that's my boy. I don't want
to do that. Or are we in the same fraternity,
(25:57):
or we had the same age, you know, we went
the same colleg They can't give you a straight answer.
That's why they hate Charles Barkley. He can give you
a straight answer. Most can listen to the podcast. They're
telling you these crazy things. Shaq's telling you that Steph's uh,
you know that. On one end it should be in
(26:17):
a go conversation. And then on another hand, Shaq's telling
you that Kareem abdul Jaba is not in his top
five or top ten.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't think he's in his top ten. He not
even your top ten.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Except who he told people that that he got to
be in that conversation. Now, of course, there was a
pole recently in baseball most exciting players in baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Aaron Judgment is a distant six or distant third.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Like, really, I thought chicks loved the prolonged ball him?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
He is one of the most Exactly when he comes
up to the bat, you going to go to the
bathroom or go get a drink.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
No, you're not. We sit here every night the game
is on. Tell me we don't look.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Over one of us for sure. Absolutely. My point on
this is this is not just about Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
This is where you.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Have when you have other players.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Trying to give you analysis on other players. They always
rip the media that we all you guys are haters. No,
we're haters. Kelvin, you can't tell me when you heard
that poll that you didn't think about this, because we've
seen this over and over. They can't be honest with
each other and they can't give a true evaluation. There's
(27:39):
too many issues and too much other stuff that's involved.
So it's not a female caddy jealous thing. This is
about players having skin in the game, and they can't
give you an honest take. That's why this keeps happening.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you just brought up something. I think it was
human nature for people to want to go to. I
think the minute comes out, people are gonna go, oh man,
here they go again. This is why they can't have nothing.
This is why women can't come together. This is why
cam and women can't stand united and stuff like this.
The women and women in my right and you're absolutely right.
This happens all the time in sports where when you
(28:15):
ask him a question about a certain player, multiple things happen.
Number One, if I'm sitting next to you and we
both got this hurt, I got to you, my dog,
you know what I'm saying. I gotta put write my
boy's name in. I gotta support from the team player,
our star player on this team. I gotta do that.
That's my guy. He's part of the Banana Boat Crew,
So I gotta put the Banana Boat Crew on. And
it happens all the time. It also happens when guys
(28:37):
are beef. Remember when Paul Pierce didn't talk about he
couldn't even and and Lebron's not even in the top ten, and.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I mean, like, like, god, can you look at Paul
Pierce seriously? And Paul Pierce is like, dude, come on.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You used to literally say how excited you were to
go battle this guy because I'm gona show him everybody.
You know, he was the guy and I want to
go at him in these big playoffs. Why because he
was the guy and you wanted to say, Hey, I'm
the guy too.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So this happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I'm so glad we're talking about this because I
think it has been bred in our minds, has been
fed to us that you're supposed to be to go, oh,
that's just how women are, right. This is the first
thing that everybody everybody's gonna say it's women on women,
this is the issue. And no, maybe in some other instances,
maybe some other athlet I said that they don't have
their own thing.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
But the numbers we gave one hundred and twenty eight
did not vote for Lebron, one fifty four for k
This is twenty seventeen, This is the last year, this
is when they were in their prime, would be asinine.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And even do it last year, but you know what
I'm saying, it even worse twenty but you know what
I'm saying, like twenty seventeen. And I think that also
the challenge too. I was talking about this earlier. I
do believe the WUWNBA is starved for attention, right, meaning
there's some great players who have never got there just
(29:53):
due just because we just weren't covering the league like
this up until the last couple of years. So I
do think there is an inherent like, well, if we're
getting this eyeballs, now, why she get you know, why
does she get the moment or why not? Or I
would even argue this some ain't hate some of it is.
I want to give her the praise because she's Skyler
(30:14):
Diggins for a minute, for example, right in one of
the faces of the leagues for you know, ten years
now whatever, it is like she she's still really good.
But like if I'm voting, I want to give her
her props because it's like, hey, the eyeballs are runners. Now,
let me highlight her almost in a supportive way. Let
me highlight, but Sobrina and Younescu, let me highlight. But
(30:34):
there's all so Si Mitchell, you know, and I think
there's a bit of that, like, oh, everybody's watching now.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I'm a big up this person.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
For her to be ninth, it's just just it goes
with what I'm bringing up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And I'm that serious when I talk about this.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
You know, this is this is one of my things
because we're always as I as, I always give you
the evidence and the stuff that I'm proud of. Writers
are haters and they hate this. And Barry Bond, no, no, no,
Barry Bonds wasn't a good guy to the writers. You
even know, Barry Bond's treatment of the media wasn't good.
(31:08):
Guess what he won seven m vps. You can't tell
me that we aren't right. Easily we could have been
like what oh, here on time for us. Okay, MVP,
let's vote for somebody. No, he was the best player
in baseball. He has to win the MVP. Where's your credibility?
And as former players, this is the issue. This is
(31:29):
the issue. You even hear like old time guys like
Terry Bradshaw talk about people and players and and who
is a shady McCoy called Dak Prescott as on television?
What I'm supposed to go back to you to get
a fair assessment? You might not lie, dude, I'm not
a big Dak Prescott. I could go and win you
(31:50):
a super Bowl, But the call the guy as really and.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You brought up Charles. There are a handful of people
who are good at separating that. And you know what
I'll give for the most part, he's had his couple
of moments for here and there. But your boy, you know,
your good friend Steven A. Were I might not personally
rock with Kevin Durant, but he'll acknowledge Kevin Duranz. I
might not personally him and Lebron got into it. But
if you ask him who's the best player, and he's
gonna say Jordan and Lebron, Like he's not gonna say
Lebron is fifteen, and I'll give I'll give him credit,
(32:18):
but that's what I'm.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Saying, like your own credibility is there for the writers
or for the broadcasters seriously, and for Paul Pierce and
these guys with a straight face to say Lebron's not
in their top ten. Dude, I don't know. Like you
played out there. You know what it takes. Come on,
dude and go bout that.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
To go back to this, rob g my biggest issue,
because I will grant you this as we get ready
to break here, I'll grant you this. She's having a bad,
a down year for her because you thought you would
get a year where she went better than last year.
She's down compared to rookie years. She's been injured just
about half the season. So I'll give you that. But
for her to be ninth, that's what I just said
you if it were four or fifth, I actually could
(32:58):
be okay with I get it, because other people are
having better year. She's not having a great year. She's
shooting the ball terribly from three, like twenty nine percent.
She had missed like what was it twenty eight and
yeah again on the road.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
God knows I didn't see any of those misses, but
I heard about it. I'm just saying one for twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So my point is, I'm not mad if she in
the best guard, I'm I'm it's a fact she's not.
And it's the fact that if you want to say
she second, third, fourth, ninth, but ninth was kind of crazy.
And that's where like, all right, this that that went far.
If she's having a down year, hands, she would admit
that she knows it, but ninth is wild.
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Coupley Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Not sitting around step away from your phone for two
minutes and you come back.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He went where he sorrd for what? Yeah, it was
a big shakeup in Milwaukee.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
On Tuesday morning, ESPM, Shan Sharanya reported that the Milwaukee
Bucks would be waving and stretching Damian Lillard, which means
that the one hundred and thirty million dollars they owe
him will now be paid out over five seasons, which
means for the next five years, Milwaukee's gonna be bang
named twenty two and a half million dollars on their
(00:54):
books to not play for that.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
But what you don't know, Rob is twenty two million
and pistachio nuts.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's not cast right.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
And the reason they did that is because they wanted
to take his salary and be able to sign Indiana
pacersent a former Indiana Pacers center Miles Turner, to a
four year, one hundred and seven million dollar contract, which means,
when you factor in the cap hold of Damian Lillard
plus the new salary for Miles Turner, the Milwaukee Bucks
(01:23):
are essentially paying about fifty million dollars a season to
replace Damian Lillard with Miles Turner.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And here's the kicker.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
About an hour after this news went public, longtime NBA
insider Chris Haynes reporter on NBA TV that Jannis was
quote not pleased by Milwaukee's decision, and according to Haynes,
Yannis quote just did not like the way it was
all handed.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, See, did you hear what he said? He
didn't say like Une, I'm not down with this move
the way it was handled. That's so that when you
see Damien out of restaurant, it's like, man, I can't
believe they did that to you or whatever. Like if
you buying any of this, that the mill Milwaukee Bucks
organizations doing something without Yannis knowing, I think you're kidd yourself.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Well, we're on the same page. I told this to Robgs.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We talked about the show earlier today, I said, this
is Gianni is his way to go. See, man, I tried,
I tried Milwaukee, I tried, fans.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I wasn't gonna leave.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know, I was trying to stick around, and you
know I do Me and Dame, Me and Demien, Me
and Damien could come back and that we could play
and we could do this. This is his way of saying, now, look,
I don't know what they're doing. They they're letting Dame go.
I didn't know we're making moves. We signed Miles Turner
when we already signed Bobby Porter, so we just signed
the same guy twice. And I just think that this
(02:41):
is his way of exiting. I think he has been
interested in exiting. I think he obviously was wanted to
see some moves that they would make before he makes
that final decision to ask for a trade fully. And
this makes it where it's more palatable, easier to take
spoonful of medae sugar with the medicine to go down,
easier for the fans, so he can say, hey, I tried,
but look at the moves. Even you be mad if
you were me to the fans. And I think he's
(03:02):
seeing all sort the stuff that's happened around the NBA.
He's seen the Rockets getting better. He seeing the Nuggets
getting better, He's seeing the Hawks getting better.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
He's seeing some.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Other teams make moves, and I think he's like, I
gotta get out of here. This is my chance to
do so because you mentioned it. Listen, I disagree with
you totally. I think you've totally misread this. Okay, And
I think totally I think this is his way of
being like he has his.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Hands on it. Are you kidding?
Speaker 6 (03:27):
This is miss getting rid of Dame?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes, Damian Lillard in Milwaukee was a bust.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
It didn't work.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It didn't work.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
From day one. It never worked. And the whole idea
that he's not gonna play next year, having him on
a team where he's coming back from an injury and
not playing, that's not gonna help Giannis. The only way
that they did this is because and they're willing to
eat all of this money for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
He ain't going nowhere. He signed off on this, this
whole idea. Like the way it was handled.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That's being nice for Damian little and giving him some respect.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
He didn't say, what are they doing? Are you kidding me.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I wanted Dame to sit on the bench street closed
next year next to me.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Are you kidding? He ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
He never asked for a trade, and now these moves
that they've made and.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Gone out to do. His hands are on this. And
what I mean by.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
This is he knows what Milwaukee is doing, which is
giving him a chance in an Eastern Conference where the
Celtics are banged up and have changed their team and
basically have punted for a year with taint them out,
and the Pacers are punting.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Right with a year out.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
So you got only the Knicks basically Philadelphia and Milwaukee
and saying, Yannis, we can retool this, and Cleveland, we
can retool this.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
There's a chance here.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But we can't sit here and wait on Damian Lillard,
who didn't even click with you from day one. When
they got Damian Lillard, people are like, oh my god,
this is perfect.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Am I right? No, we're looking for right and it
never worked.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Damian Lillard in Milwaukee was a broads that fell on
the ground, got hair on it and had no mustard
on it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was grown by the way.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I just had a bro we had on the news
show today, we had some grilled dudes come on and
grilled up.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Do you know what I'm saying that that hair on it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
By the way, if I'm about say who's here, if
it's somebody in my house, one of my daughters and
my wife, we gotta keep eating.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
We gotta keep eating now high on the food you
eat with the family. You know my wife's.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But come on, I mean, you just I'm gonna leave
that out there. You know what I'm saying. I guess
you go.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I hear, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The only the only thing I'm thinking is the moves
that they've made. Who Bobby portis is a good player
for them, So I'm not mad at them resigning Bobby
Ports but then turning around to me and signing Myles
Turner is kind of signing the same guy straight for
Bobby Porters does a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They said Moll turn is gonna play center for them, right.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But I'm saying, you got too big like you okay,
Brook Lopez lose leaves and you got another big who
stretches the floor. To me, they haven't made moves that
make me feel like this is a team we can
win with to me, this is a team.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
This team is.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Better than last year.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
This is the fourth fifth seed that and in East again,
the East is open in the sense that Boston was
the BOHEMI that we thought was gonna repeat this past
season or have a great shot to and then that
just all spiraled out, especially now with injuries.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
But I just think.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm not wild by the team.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And I think for me, I thought this would be
an exit point to say, all right, now I can
go be where I want to be and have a
shot to win it with whomever. Because once you add
Giannis to a good to already really good team, now
you're over the top. I thought this would be this
opportunity to go join you know, obviously if we want
(06:55):
to say it's the Spurs or something like that, you know,
kind of some teams that could kind of make sense
on paper.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
But that would have happened during this whole thing, because
you would need to know, like what you're doing like that,
Like if Giannis was really gonna be moved somewhere, I
thought it would have been, it would have happened by
now for the other team or for the yeah, for
the other team, for the other team, and and the
bucks too. This if this is gonna happen, you gotta
you're not gonna wait till free agencies over and you're
you've allocated money and now somebody's got to give up
(07:23):
all these players.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I would I assume that would be in the mix already.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And that's the thing I think Gianni's has the luxury
of doing is kind of waiting to see how this goes,
because now if he comes out and starts not asking him,
demanding for a trade, then you kind of force their hands.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
That's not even his makeup and just that that's not
his makeup. So I hear you on that, and reports
are that he has not asked.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Right, But what I'm saying right and could could have before,
it's not his makeup to cause a funk. I agree
with that, but it's also his ma. It's also a point.
It's no one's make up until you finally have had enough,
you know what I mean, Like if.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
You're whether you do I think eating that much money
when they're when they're basically said, like seriously, like they
could have said, we're Milwaukee was we can't do this,
we can't eat one twelve. We gotta wait from the
can you can you hang on another year and wait
from the Okay, this is my point. And they're showing action,
not just saying like the Celtics just dismantled their team.
(08:20):
The Pacers are like, we're not paying a luxury tax.
We're not going anywhere how stars out. Okay, we're not
doing that. I get that. And the and the Bucks
are like the East okay, the Knicks are there, we
don't know what the Sixers are right, and you got Cleveland, okay,
like it's there to be taken and let us go
(08:43):
retool this. I think I give Milwaukee credit not being
playing the we're the small market, we can't afford Okay,
we can't pay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You all out at once. We spread it out, but
they're gonna give them money.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And only the only pushback out half of that though,
and we'll get later in the show on the more
the Dames side of it. But my point would be is,
in trying to do this, you threw a major allue
to Dame, you know, and again we'll talk a little
further about that, but in trying to if it's trying
to facilitate the happiness of Giannis, you threw a.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Huge to me the bigger win it would be for Dame.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
And again he can't play, but I mean, but he's
nulling void in Milwaukee. He can't. I'm you know what
I mean something So for Giannis like having Dame around,
Like seriously, they did the right thing. He can't play
next year? What is the point, right? But I'm in
this again. We'll talk about then. Dame to me is
a massive winner in this. We'll talk about that portion. Well,
(09:42):
you'll see if anybody wants him. I mean, if he's
getting money. So if he takes a minimum or something,
that's what I'm saying, nobody's going to go sign him
to and that's the that's the big end.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
But he got his feelings hurt. You can't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Don't.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Don't kid yourself. I ain't no way. He probably thought
that they would do they'd eat that much.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
But that's the thing that we'll talk a little bit
more about it.
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Speaker 5 (10:46):
Rob g our report out at Dawn Staley was a
interview by the New York Knickerbockers.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Yay, it actually happened over the weekend guys, there was
a report that came out from Knicks Fan TV.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Never heard of him, but.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They had reported over the weekend show that Don Staley
had met with the Knicks brass about their vacant head
coaching position. Now that story was not picked up really
anywhere because honestly, who's Knicks Fan TV. We have no
idea who they are, how riputable they are.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
What have you?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
On Tuesday morning, the Athletic confirmed that yes, Don Staley
did meet with the Knicks front office, and while they
were very impressed with her presentation and their conversation, they
decided not to move forward with her in the head
coaching church. And right now, all signs point to the
team bringing in Mike Brown, former Calves, former Lakers, former
(11:45):
King's head coach to be the next head man in Gotham.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Can I say this, I'd rather have Charlie Brown at
this point. I mean Mike Brown. Really, I'm sorry. Uh,
he's been everywhere, and you know, the teams are all pretty.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Good, but really, Mike Brown, Mike Brown, Mike Woodson. I
just told me he's the anti Tips. That's basically where
you're at. But I don't get that.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
I'm serious if Mike Brown came with something or championship,
but then I'm all in. Really, the guy got fired
five game from the Lakers. That guy, Mike Brown, that's
the guy that bring it to New York. Come on,
if you're gonna make that move, it's gotta be somebody
who's got a chip in the back pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
You said Mike Malone, and I didn't think he was
a guy, but I got your premise.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
He's got a ring.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
He's got You can't say he's tips out here, Well
he's tips.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
No, he's not.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Guess why Tim don't have a ring. That's why, you know,
I have a job.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And this, this is this is why again I go
back to Donald, Donald Sterling, Jim Dolan. You know, oh man,
we gotta quit going for shiny things and quit when
we got something.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
We gotta ride it out.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
We can't just keep making these moves and then they
make the move like okay, now, okay, re treading all right?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
But anyway, anyway, uh down Staley, I'm a tremendous basketball
college basketball coach and all that. I don't even you know,
coaching is coaching, you know, men of coached women forever
and this whole idea, and so I don't I'm not
any questions about whether or not she could coach. I
just the game is the game, So I think she
(13:13):
can coach. I just don't think it's going to happen.
And I don't think the NBA is ready for it
because it was all set up. Becky Hammond was supposed
to be the first female coach. She got anointed by Pop.
Everybody pop all I love pop, right, and is all
the success that he had.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
She was the assistant.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
She was an assistant coach sitting there right, and she
got a few interviews. It never panned out. Where is
she now?
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Is she in the she's WNBA coach.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
So she's a w NBA and that's what she wound
up and in Vegas. And I just think that they
just people aren't ready for that, just like people aren't
ready for a female president of the United States. I
really believe that because we saw it happen twice. But
I just don't believe that. You know, it was nice
(14:06):
and out of respect to her and to have a conversation,
get her feel for the game and what is she seeing?
You know, like a lot of these interviews are fact
finding too.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
What would you do? What are we doing wrong?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And you're taking all these notes too.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, that's a good point exactly, you know what.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Yeah, we should do that, didn't the fourth cat at
the end of the quarters? Yeah he should He shouldn't
be in there.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Jalen Brunson. Don't have to pound the ball out the
air of you.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
So, so I get why they bring in people because
they want to hear these these basketball minds and see
what they're seeing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So it's a and it's a it's a it's it's good.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
For her too, like, oh wow, the Knicks interviewed you
when you go back to college and they're like, wow, okay,
well you get NBA feelers that could only help you
if you're if you're Dawn Stale.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You just led me to a point I was gonna make.
I think it will happen eventually. I was talking to
rob Gie earlier and I said, I think we'll see
it in the next three to four years. Yeah, I
think we'll see it then. I just think that's just
the way society is going. I think that's the way
the NBA is getting really unique, very progressive ownerships. And
I think some of them will say I want to
be the one to have done this first, but a
(15:23):
perfect spot that listen, I have no argument with that.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Becky had. We it was almost more of a shock.
She didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We were like, wait, that kind of sat there. Pop
is always progressive, and in him.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Being it said I'm gonna be honest, it said something
about her because she had interviews and and it didn't happen.
I'm just saying because it was she laid the groundwork.
She had everything set up for this to happen. Do
you understand what I'm saying? Like the the ultimate endorsement
by Pop on the bench, people respected her, she did
(15:57):
put on her dudes one like, they rushed her to
the front of.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The line, all that she's the person that if it happens,
no one's mad.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's kind of simar.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But that it didn't happen for her is what makes
me question who else has done all those steps, you
know what I mean and gotten the endorsement.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That's what I'm chockbos.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
So I'm looking at this too.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
So going back to Don Staley, I think the reason
why this is significant is because I think Dawn Staley,
if you, if you kind of kept track of what
she said, because you know, she gets asked this question,
would you go to NBA?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
What'd you go do with this?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
And she's always said her, she's maintained her she believes
her kind of a plight in or not plight. But
her journey in life is to continue to promote the
game for the WNBA, continue to promote South Carolina, continue
to promote for the women. She said, I know it'd
be cool, and I get it, but I just feel
like I'm led to just do that. And the reason
(16:48):
why I think an interview like this matters because even
if the Nicks say, I know, you're not really interested,
because that was the other port, right rob Gi, They're not,
they weren't serious, it would just kind of have this
meaning with her. I think they knew there that she's
not full interested. She knew that they're not fully interested
per se. And I think this is big so that
it becomes more normalized, so that it's, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
We're interviewing back game.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Oh yeah, we've been to stay Lough and it's not
like what really And I think she takes it as
a step for it to become that so that when
the next team thinks of people, they can think of somebody.
New York is a great play, some good steakhouses, some
good food in it. When they go and they you
know what I mean, that take you out to.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh you take the meeting. You know this in the
business listen.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Except for Chris and I used to have big arguments
about this, and I like, if there's no job, I'm
not going to an interview. I'm talking about an interview
that where there's no job, like they're just kind of
doing a dog and pony show. Like I don't believe
in that said you still yeah, and I just don't.
If there's a job, I'm interested in going, but like
(17:52):
to just be like like the NFL does like like
you know that.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Because we have to we need we need to just
bring you with this.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
But I remember when Matt Millan was going to hire
the Steve Marriucci has a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Everybody knew it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And they couldn't get one brother to come to Detroit
to do the Rooney Rules. They know it was because
they knew what it was. It was a sham. And
so people don't do me like that. If the job's open,
you know I'm interested in going, you don't have to
hire me. Forced to hire me, but don't have me
come in act like the jobs open and you already
picture guy.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But what if it's past October sixth and it's the
world's best cheesecake place and they got I'm not going, Okay,
I'm not, and she's there, I'm not going.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Montreal is there.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Well that's different. I might have to at least get
some cream for dinner again.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
But to get back to the conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I just think this was big for Don Staley, big
for other women, big for the Nixon that these conversations
are having happening, and it's semi normalizing it to where's, oh,
he's having an interview, and it's kind of just becomes normally.
All Right, they're considering, you know, another female candidate. Okay,
it's up there, because I don't you mentioned it earlier.
(19:10):
I remember when these conversations started happening, especially when we
start to see a lot.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Of female assistants in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And I believe the NFL will do this way before
the NFL because I think there's an inherent you.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Didn't play You think who will do it the.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
NBA before the NFL have a female coach because I
think the NBA the game is the game in the CDA,
I can't see the NFL. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Because you spent time and we love her. She's a
friend of the show, you personal friend for you, Nancy Leberman.
So if she ended up being a coach, he's coaching
a Big Three and it's like whatever, who you don't
even think if I told you Sheryl Miller. If I
(19:44):
was coming into some college or and she was my coach,
if Pat Summit was Mike, you didn't think all right, cool,
And it's you know, there's a handful of people that
just it boom and automatically makes sense. And the game
is different. You game is the game you play. The
game is the same with the NFL. I just don't
see that happen because I think there's an inherent you
didn't play. You don't know what if it was, like,
there's a physicality, and I just think it will. I
(20:06):
don't think it's gonna happen for at least one hundred
years in the NFL, Whereas the NBA, I think in
a handful of years, we're gonna see this happen.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
With these seas, there's.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
A better chance. Yeah, definitely. I just think it wouldn't.
You wouldn't go.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
You'd be sitting at Friday's Chili's wherever, like Becky Hammond is,
oh okay, wow.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay, and you it looked like it was gonna happen, right,
you would.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Whereas if all of a sudden I told you then
and then such and such as the coach of the
Pittsburgh Steelers you'd be like, whoa, what it'd be.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It'd be a big deal. Get n B A.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I think you'd almost go, oh, yeah that makes sense,
don state, Oh that's kind of dope, you know what
that makes okay?
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I think the minor baseball is a few in the
minor leagues. I think it's one rank them. Is it
NBA first? We both agree that. I just think because
the game is so much similar, right, and you have
people on that level coaching major college basketball yep.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And the Browns interview kind of Leana Rice that was
for the team president, right, Yeah, so there's some there's
some moves happening obviously, she's what the college football playoffs
and the whole you.
Speaker 6 (21:12):
Know, seeding there.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I think it would go NBA, MLB, NFL, and I
think the other the other two take a while. I
think MLB and football like hold up, yeah, I agree
a long time.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I agree, But I think basketball is the same game.
I definitely can.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
See I think three to four years, rob's both of y'all.
I think we're gonna see it happened in the NBA.
A progressive ownership is going to be.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Like I'm gonna say, it's a little longer than that.
But I do because Becky Hammon woods right on the
But to me it went backwards.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Don Staley's players are going to be like, go do
it to prove that you can do it. Go prouvee.
They're gonna do it Like now, She's gonna do it
at some point. Watch. That's what I believe.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
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Speaker 3 (21:58):
So guys, you already know this.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Kailin is a captain for the twenty twenty five WNBA
All Star Game, which will take place in Indianapolis next month,
largely because she was far and away the leading vote
getter by the fans. In fact, she got so many
votes it was the most by any player in WNBA
All Star Game history.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Right, here's the problem.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
On Monday night, it was revealed the entire ballot, not
just the fan vote, not just the media vote, but
also the player vote. And while Kaylyn Clark was far
and away first amongst fans, and while Kaylen Clark was
third amongst media, she finished a distant ninth when voted
(22:42):
by her peers. In fact, it was such a jarring
discovery that of the eight players listed in front of her,
the number five and number eight players voted on by
her peers didn't even crack the top ten in cumulatives score. So, guys,
I guess, as they say, the jealousy still runs deep
(23:06):
for Caitlyn Clark in the de w NBA.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And I'm gonna say this. I know people are gonna
paint it as women caddy all that other stuff. I'm
here to push back on that, and I'm here to
deliver a public announcement for sports fans out there and
uh in America. This is not shocking to me whatsoever.
(23:37):
This is not a Caitlin Clark issue.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This is a athlete issue. And when I talk about this,
I'm dead serious. Stop listening to play podcast. Stop it
because they won't and they can't be honest about players
(24:11):
who are playing currently because they have skin in the game.
They can't give you an honest take. I'm not surprised
by this at all. Zero Are you still listening to
Gilbert Arenas's podcast? Does he have a proverbial gun to
your head? Just turn the station to unsubscribe. Stop it already.
(24:39):
What's wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I'm being out with you.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
It's a public service announcement and the reason I say
this and Kevin, I'm that serious.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
When the NBA in twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Seventeen gave players a chance to vote for the NBA
All Star Team, one hundred and twenty eight of the
three hundred and twenty four players did not vote for
Lebron James. One hundred and fifty four players out of
three twenty four did not vote for Kevin Durant. They
(25:20):
have skin in the game. They're never gonna be honest.
They're never going.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
To tell you the real Oh you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You would to tell me in an exhibition game, people
couldn't look at Lebron Jays.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
How in the world did you not vote for him?
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's an exhibition it's an all star game, Caitlin Clark, Right,
it's an all star game. Really, they're not honest with you.
They're in bed with too many people. Oh so and
so's my girl, or that's my boy. I don't want
to do that. Or are we in the same fraternity,
(25:57):
or we had the same age, you know, we went
the same colleg They can't give you a straight answer.
That's why they hate Charles Barkley. He can give you
a straight answer. Most can listen to the podcast. They're
telling you these crazy things. Shaq's telling you that Steph's uh,
you know that. On one end it should be in
(26:17):
a go conversation. And then on another hand, Shaq's telling
you that Kareem abdul Jaba is not in his top
five or top ten.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I don't think he's in his top ten. He not
even your top ten.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Except who he told people that that he got to
be in that conversation. Now, of course, there was a
pole recently in baseball most exciting players in baseball.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Aaron Judgment is a distant six or distant third.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Like, really, I thought chicks loved the prolonged ball him?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (26:49):
He is one of the most Exactly when he comes
up to the bat, you going to go to the
bathroom or go get a drink.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
No, you're not. We sit here every night the game
is on. Tell me we don't look.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Over one of us for sure. Absolutely. My point on
this is this is not just about Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's not.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
This is where you.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Have when you have other players.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Trying to give you analysis on other players. They always
rip the media that we all you guys are haters. No,
we're haters. Kelvin, you can't tell me when you heard
that poll that you didn't think about this, because we've
seen this over and over. They can't be honest with
each other and they can't give a true evaluation. There's
(27:39):
too many issues and too much other stuff that's involved.
So it's not a female caddy jealous thing. This is
about players having skin in the game, and they can't
give you an honest take. That's why this keeps happening.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So you just brought up something. I think it was
human nature for people to want to go to. I
think the minute comes out, people are gonna go, oh man,
here they go again. This is why they can't have nothing.
This is why women can't come together. This is why
cam and women can't stand united and stuff like this.
The women and women in my right and you're absolutely right.
This happens all the time in sports where when you
(28:15):
ask him a question about a certain player, multiple things happen.
Number One, if I'm sitting next to you and we
both got this hurt, I got to you, my dog,
you know what I'm saying. I gotta put write my
boy's name in. I gotta support from the team player,
our star player on this team. I gotta do that.
That's my guy. He's part of the Banana Boat Crew,
So I gotta put the Banana Boat Crew on. And
it happens all the time. It also happens when guys
(28:37):
are beef. Remember when Paul Pierce didn't talk about he
couldn't even and and Lebron's not even in the top ten, and.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I mean, like, like, god, can you look at Paul
Pierce seriously? And Paul Pierce is like, dude, come on.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You used to literally say how excited you were to
go battle this guy because I'm gona show him everybody.
You know, he was the guy and I want to
go at him in these big playoffs. Why because he
was the guy and you wanted to say, Hey, I'm
the guy too.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
So this happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I'm so glad we're talking about this because I
think it has been bred in our minds, has been
fed to us that you're supposed to be to go, oh,
that's just how women are, right. This is the first
thing that everybody everybody's gonna say it's women on women,
this is the issue. And no, maybe in some other instances,
maybe some other athlet I said that they don't have
their own thing.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
But the numbers we gave one hundred and twenty eight
did not vote for Lebron, one fifty four for k
This is twenty seventeen, This is the last year, this
is when they were in their prime, would be asinine.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And even do it last year, but you know what
I'm saying, it even worse twenty but you know what
I'm saying, like twenty seventeen. And I think that also
the challenge too. I was talking about this earlier. I
do believe the WUWNBA is starved for attention, right, meaning
there's some great players who have never got there just
(29:53):
due just because we just weren't covering the league like
this up until the last couple of years. So I
do think there is an inherent like, well, if we're
getting this eyeballs, now, why she get you know, why
does she get the moment or why not? Or I
would even argue this some ain't hate some of it is.
I want to give her the praise because she's Skyler
(30:14):
Diggins for a minute, for example, right in one of
the faces of the leagues for you know, ten years
now whatever, it is like she she's still really good.
But like if I'm voting, I want to give her
her props because it's like, hey, the eyeballs are runners. Now,
let me highlight her almost in a supportive way. Let
me highlight, but Sobrina and Younescu, let me highlight. But
(30:34):
there's all so Si Mitchell, you know, and I think
there's a bit of that, like, oh, everybody's watching now.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I'm a big up this person.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
For her to be ninth, it's just just it goes
with what I'm bringing up.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
And I'm that serious when I talk about this.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
You know, this is this is one of my things
because we're always as I as, I always give you
the evidence and the stuff that I'm proud of. Writers
are haters and they hate this. And Barry Bond, no, no, no,
Barry Bonds wasn't a good guy to the writers. You
even know, Barry Bond's treatment of the media wasn't good.
(31:08):
Guess what he won seven m vps. You can't tell
me that we aren't right. Easily we could have been
like what oh, here on time for us. Okay, MVP,
let's vote for somebody. No, he was the best player
in baseball. He has to win the MVP. Where's your credibility?
And as former players, this is the issue. This is
(31:29):
the issue. You even hear like old time guys like
Terry Bradshaw talk about people and players and and who
is a shady McCoy called Dak Prescott as on television?
What I'm supposed to go back to you to get
a fair assessment? You might not lie, dude, I'm not
a big Dak Prescott. I could go and win you
(31:50):
a super Bowl, But the call the guy as really and.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You brought up Charles. There are a handful of people
who are good at separating that. And you know what
I'll give for the most part, he's had his couple
of moments for here and there. But your boy, you know,
your good friend Steven A. Were I might not personally
rock with Kevin Durant, but he'll acknowledge Kevin Duranz. I
might not personally him and Lebron got into it. But
if you ask him who's the best player, and he's
gonna say Jordan and Lebron, Like he's not gonna say
Lebron is fifteen, and I'll give I'll give him credit,
(32:18):
but that's what I'm.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Saying, like your own credibility is there for the writers
or for the broadcasters seriously, and for Paul Pierce and
these guys with a straight face to say Lebron's not
in their top ten. Dude, I don't know. Like you
played out there. You know what it takes. Come on,
dude and go bout that.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
To go back to this, rob g my biggest issue,
because I will grant you this as we get ready
to break here, I'll grant you this. She's having a bad,
a down year for her because you thought you would
get a year where she went better than last year.
She's down compared to rookie years. She's been injured just
about half the season. So I'll give you that. But
for her to be ninth, that's what I just said
you if it were four or fifth, I actually could
(32:58):
be okay with I get it, because other people are
having better year. She's not having a great year. She's
shooting the ball terribly from three, like twenty nine percent.
She had missed like what was it twenty eight and
yeah again on the road.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
God knows I didn't see any of those misses, but
I heard about it. I'm just saying one for twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
So my point is, I'm not mad if she in
the best guard, I'm I'm it's a fact she's not.
And it's the fact that if you want to say
she second, third, fourth, ninth, but ninth was kind of crazy.
And that's where like, all right, this that that went far.
If she's having a down year, hands, she would admit
that she knows it, but ninth is wild.
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