March 4, 2026 • 28 mins
Sports radio personality Keith McPherson is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob tell us if the trade of All-Pro CB Trent McDuffie proves that the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty is officially dead, debate whether the Pittsburgh Steelers should be willing to wait for Aaron Rodgers, and discuss Lou Holtz’ very complicated legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's right, two teams headed in opposite directions. It seems
like the Kansas City Chiefs have done it again. They've
gotten rid of yet another All Pro player, this time
cornerback Trent McDuffie, sending him to Los Angeles to the
Rams for a first round pick this year, a fifth
and a sixth this year, and a third round pick
next year so the Rafts can go all in around
(00:50):
Rob's favorite quarterback, staff Packer, I mean Matthew Stafford. Ram
looking at making the Super Bowl run. Chiefs to be determined.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Keith, I don't know about you, but this is I
thought it was official last year when the Chiefs didn't
make the playoffs, but this is even more official. The
Chiefs dynasty, wrung, whatever you want to call it, is dead.
Dead as a door knob. Yet another All Pro player
out the door. Chris Jones is gonna be right behind that.
(01:19):
And here's the thing, I get it. For years they thought,
as long as you have Patrick Mahomes, you got a chance,
because you know what, he's that good.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
He's that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It don't matter who else you got, bringing any receivers,
bringing any other defensive players, we don't care.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
We'll still get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We'll still cost terror in the AFC and have a
chance to win a championship. Those days are over. Last
year was a perfect example. People thought they were gonna
run it back because they went to the super Bowl.
They didn't even make the playoffs. And let's be Patrick
Mahomes is not the same guy. He hasn't been for
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two and a half years. I don't care if they
went to the super Bowl. Look at it. He can't
carry this roster.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
The Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I know they're moving to Kansas, but they've already moved on.
This Chief party is over, Keith. I don't see how where,
what Andy Weid whatever they're doing, that they're gonna be
able to keep this going. This dynasty is history. Oh great,
it's raps and I'm I'm here to see it. I'm
(02:34):
here for it. You love to see it. Actually, I've
had enough.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Did you mention.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift and that whole thing being done?
We don't ever have to see that again on an
NFL screen? And how long does Andy Reid have with
this team?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I know they're opening that stadium up in twenty thirty one.
That's a long time from now. It seems like they're
looking down the road. It seems like they're preparing for
the back end of mahomes career. Everybody wanted to talk
about Mahomes rings and how he was gonna chase down Brady. Well,
I guess they're planning for him to take a little
hiatus in the middle from going to Super Bowls and
winning Super Bowls, and maybe they try to backload his
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career and build this team with these picks and get
ready for them, cause they're cooked. Like this team is done.
You called it last year. I remember you texted me
the link early when you were saying that they weren't
making the playoffs, and I'm like, oh, if you look
at Vegas, everybody's saying they're gonna go on a run
and then you actually had me on your show Thanksgiving
when it was Chiefs versus Cowboys, and I took the Chiefs.
(03:28):
I bet on the Chiefs that night, and when they
lost to Dallas that night, I'm like, they're finished. So yeah,
it's the end, Farewell, happy trails. I mean, that's a rap.
And I don't know what they're gonna do in these
next couple years, but I'm not worried about it. Let
somebody else get after it.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I know they're gonna say, well, Tom Brady went nine seasons,
you know, in between super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
If you remember right the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
People forget that, that's when the Giants put the beat
down on those two years and one Ali won those
two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Patriots didn't win for like nine years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This ain't the same party you just mentioned Andy Weid,
who's a poork chop away from retiring. This is not
the same where the Chiefs are gonna cheat like the
Patriots did in the second half of Tom Brady's career
that helped them win more championships because they knew the
other team's signals.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I think this is if you're a Chiefs fan, you
gotta look at this and.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Say, why why are they not.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Going to push all the chips in the middle of
the table and say to yourself, you really want to
waste Patrick Mahomes the next five or six years like
it's now or never.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And if Travis.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Kelcey's coming back, you think he's coming back now, I'm
not positive he might look at this and go, what
are we doing here? But I'm not surprised because I
remember when Patrick Mahomes signed that back team friendly contract.
You remember that, Oh, do what Tom Brady did. This
will help you win long term. And all they're doing
is shedding Pro Bowl players who make who make money,
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who gotta be be paid, and they can't kick the
can down the road anymore. And Patrick Mahomes ain't the
same guy. It's over in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, and it's also their division too, right. The Denver
Broncos emerged this year and they're not going anywhere for
a little while with their quarterback defense. Obviously, the head coach.
You also figure the Chargers, you know they were a
playoff team this year. Quarterback head coach, get that defense
a little bit better. Who knows what the Raiders turn
into now with Clint Kubiak, maybe Fernando Mendoza. We already
(05:35):
mentioned Tom Brady wants Tom Brady wants that organization to
start winning. So maybe the Chiefs are trying to get low.
Maybe the hunt Famili's like, hey, we had our run
of parades, super Bowls, we made our money. Let's chill
for a little bit, open up our new place, and
then we'll try to attack this thing for the you know,
the twilight of Patrick Mahomes' career.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And here's the other thing too. Look at the quarterbacks
in the AFC. There's nothing but young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Lamar is still trying to win his go to his
Super Bowl, win a super Bowl, right, You got the
same thing, Josh Allen and Buffalo another guy there. We
just saw the Patriots with a young quarterback, right, like
like Drake May, Drake May, uh Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence. We
just talked about who we talk about with the Chargers
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uh and and and all these young quarterbacks in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So it's not gonna be a smooth ride.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's not gonna be what we saw when he started
out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
He was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
My old partner Chris Bussard said he was Jordanesque and
he was chasing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Everybody thought he's gonna chase down Brady. He didn't even pass.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Uh Joe Montana, Joe Montana's four town the Super Bowl.
How the Patrick Mahomes chase down Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now today they're ready to say we're going to punt,
We're going to get rid of players that you need
to win and hope that Patrick Mahomes can do his magic.
He just hasn't done his magic enough over the last
few years for me to feel good about the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Hey, it's the NFL. What does that stand for? Not
for long.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
As soon as you're ready to say somebody's a dynasty,
they're gonna run the table. This is the next Tom
Brady injury happens. Free agency happens, like I think they
just they let go of Juwan Taylor. Isaiah Pacheco is
gonna hit free agent, like this team is gonna look
completely different. And they had their issues the last two years,
even the year that they got to the Super Bowl.
I mean, they had so many last minute comeback victories.
(07:38):
Two years ago they were almost fraudulent I don't want
to call them fraut They weren't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
No, no, they were fraudulent and all of those lucky
wins and people were hitting me upright with the field
goals and people were.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Falling with flooky. It was very fluky.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And you looked at it and said, are they really
that good or are they lucky? Because I thought they were
more lucky than good. And they haven't been that team
that was dominant when he first went, when Patrick Mahomes
took over. You remember throwing the ball Tyreek Hill downfield.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
They was schooling.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They got a from Tyree d Boy. They got to
get Tyreek back for this run. Oh, so this is
gonna be old timer's day. Now you want to go
back and bring the van back together. I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hi'll be rehabbing together in
Missouri somewhere.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And then they're getting rid of Arrowhead.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
How do you get rid of one of the best
home field advantages, one of the loudest stadiums in the
NFL because you want to have suits and you want
to be able to, you know, have Travis Kelce and
Taylor Swift come back in five years and show them
how fancy you guys are whatever, y'all. Well, I'm sorry,
I'm a hater. They won so much. I'm praying on
their downfall. I'm not sad to see them in the
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situation out they're in.
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Speaker 3 (09:28):
Rob, your third favorite Aaron in the world, behind Aaron
Judge and Aaron Mallard.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Aaron Rodgers, He's moved down to third place now he's
number three.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
When you got first, Aaron Judge Aaron Jude's winning your
pocket and then Aaron Aaron mallin number two. That's right.
So Aaron Rodgers was on Pat McAfee again for the
Rogers Wednesdays, and they asked him very specifically, like, Hey,
are you going to be back in Pittsburgh next season?
What's going on? What's the timeline? Aaron Rodgers, you said,
very non committal.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Take a listen, Mike, I've talked to Omar. There's been
no deadline that's been you know, that's been put in
front of me. There's no contracts, you know, offer or anything.
So there's nothing that I'm you know, having to debate between.
I'm you know, free agent and you know again, I'm
enjoying my time with my wife and enjoying this part
(10:22):
of the off season and and you know, I think
there's conversations to be added down the line, but right
now I'm not not. There hasn't been any progressive conversations.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
All right, Yeah, take your time, we got we got
all twenty twenty six. Listen, I gotta I gotta go
in on this. Some of my people in the chat
know Aaron Rodgers is the song that does in and
it just goes on and on. My friends, some people
started singing it not knowing what it was, and they
(10:57):
will keep on singing it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Forever, just because why do we do this? Why do
we entertain this guy?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Pat McAfee pays him to be on this show anytime
he pops up from wherever he is with his wired
in headphones, with his ridiculous takes, his conspiracy theories and
just taking his sweet old time.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We lean into it. We played so now Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Mike McCarthy's got to be pulling his hair out, like yo,
here we go again, deja vu with this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I gotta deal with this guy. The Packers kicked him
to the curb and said, no, Moss, We're good. We
got Jordan Love.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
The Jets played that game and you saw how Karma
came in four plays in took him up out of there,
and then they played it a second year, and then
last year. Aaron Glenn and to the Steelers he is old.
I just said, father time is undefeated. Aaron like bro
Aaron Rodgers, hang it up. He's cooked. I can't do
this anymore. How long has he been in the league.
(11:51):
We just watched his Enigma Netflix show, like Why does
he get this much attention for a guy that can't move.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
The game has passed him by.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
He's made all of his money like the highest paid
player ever next to Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can't do another year of this, Just retire. Hang
it up. You got to the playoffs last year. What
else do you need?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I'm gonna push back and Pittsburgh last year. I'll give
you this. Do you know what Aaron Rodgers record was
last year for the Steelers?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Ten and six? Ten and six.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They hadn't had a quarterback, a real quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Are we applauding ten and six?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Steelers didn't go nine to eight.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, they won the division with Aaron Rodgers, with the
guy you want to disappear.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You can pooh pull it all you want. They came division.
We already know about the Browns the Bagels. This year
is not gonna be like that. No, who care about that.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm gotta get a quarterback that can move in this league,
at least move in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's forty two, Rob, I know he's forty two, But
I'm saying to you, do you know what this? The
NFL doesn't have quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Look around, they have quarterbacks, the proper quarterbacks coming in
in the draft.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
A nobody talking about no draft.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm talking about quarterbacks who are proven, who can play.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
And you could say whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
The Rivers they they these older guys, no country for
old man.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
These old guys saw Philip Rivers and now none one
of Philip Rivers was was a bad uh Britain back.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
But now Aaron Rodgers says he can play. Until he
was Tom Brady's aige. Tom Brady played to the forty
four to forty five. Philip Rivers comes back. Now these
guys just want to drag this out. I know he
doesn't want to go to camp and they probably will
entertain him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They will let time. There's a chance. Should who should play.
They don't have a quarterback and until they Jill Howard,
they shouldn't. Dragon don't have him quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
My boy signed. Somebody, go sign somebody. Michael Carton coming in,
McCarty's coming in because they kicked Tomlin to the curve. Well,
Tomlin stepped down, but Tomlin couldn't get them to the
Promised Land. He was just enough, just good enough, just
good enough, which is not good enough. And Aaron Rodgers
coming back is gonna be mid again. I'm telling you,
we're always in our time entertaining his guy so and so.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Instead of being mid, you're gonna go up three and
and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Because he was a coach.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
They're not gonna know the Steelers will win because you're
gonna win more than three games. He'll probably win another
nine or ten games with a serviceable quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Oh you exactly who that's going.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But there's the issue, and it's easy to say, go
get somebody else, go do this. All I know if
you're the Steelers from a year ago, Aaron Rodgers connected
with that team. They were He was ten and six
when he played. He missed a couple of games to injury. Right,
he played, he was ten and six. They won the division.
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They got smoked in the postseason in the playoff game,
I'll give you that against a really good defense in
the Texans.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
They and you shouldn't even have got to the playoffs.
Now I'm thinking about it, well, but they didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What happened? They they won the game. And all I'm
saying to live, yeah, all right, that it's called football.
And you could sit here all day and talk about
why left, why right?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The footballs could give you all of that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
If I did that with Tom Brady, who's the low
the luckiest of all time, I could take away for
his Super Bowls about being lucky.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So all I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Saying is, but Rogers got one super Bowl, he's not
getting another one. If you want to be made, bring
him back. He's not taking you to the Promised Land.
Stop wasting.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, I'm gonna give you exhibit A on why you're
off base. Okay, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl as
the ten man with Denver.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do you remember the defense was stat Okay, but my
game too.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But my point is he wasn't the quarterback that he
was prior and he won a Super Bowl. He threw
for less than two hundred yards, he threw one touchdown,
one pick, different game, the.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Game different. You can win and if you have the
right quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'll tell you right now, if Aaron Rodgers was on
the Texas last year, they would have won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
With that defense. I'll get you. I'll get that. Okay.
J Strauviss just handing the ball over.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But what I'm trying to Steelers have enough around Aaron
Rodgers with the first year not first year head coach,
but obviously the first year of Mike McCarthy coaching the
Steelers to actually be any better than they were last year.
I think it'll be another wasted year and then Aaron
Rodgers will bow out. He should just ride off into
the sunset with the fact that he played for another
story franchise, got them to the playoffs, and that's it. Bro,
(16:25):
Go chill with your wife being Malibu, be on the beach,
Go go go do ayahuasca, like go go do anything else.
I'm good on Aaron Rodgers saka another year. It is
no Moss, no Moss.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'm just like, I don't get caught up personally, Like
it doesn't bother me. If a guy wants to play.
He played well last year. I remember two years ago
when everybody said he was washed. He had the same
status as Patrick Mahomes. But all the Mahomes people calling,
go look up the stats. Two years ago, the year
that Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs went to the Super Bowl,
Aaron Rodgers had the same exact stats as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
The stats can be leader.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
He doesn't necessary like his arm is still there, but
he doesn't necessarily have that like speed that he had
them getting the ball to where it's got to go.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Even some accuracy. He misses some throws. He's old.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
And the last thing I'll say about him, he's scared
to take a hit. He's chucking duck. He does not
want to get hit because he's old and he's fragile.
He's a tough game. He's a rough game. He's gonna
get hit, old man.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
He's still won ten games. And the division you could
discount at all you want. The Steelers have one division.
I would run a banks. That'll be because of Mike
McCarthy and his history with Aaron Rodgers. And it could
be one year until they can find a quarterback. They
don't have a quarterback. That's the only reason. If they
really had a guy in the house for the quarterback position,
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they wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But they don't go pay Malik Williston. What you're talking
about Willis? They ain't doing that. Talking about Malik Willis.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Does he want to go to the Cardinals or does
he want to go to the Steelers? All right, Steelers drafted?
Can he pick it in on him a couple of
years back? Run it back, bring Mike Malik Willison. I'm
telling you Aaron Rodgers is cooked. And he always makes
it about himself and he blames people and he's it's
never him, It's never him.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I couldn't do it. I wouldn't want to do it
if I was Mike McCarthy nor Moss. No thanks.
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Speaker 1 (18:25):
Live solemn news. Today in the college football world, Rob G.
Lou Holtz passed away. It was he eighty nine, eighty
nine years old. Eighty nine years that's a long life.
But whenever you have a long life, you know there's
a situation where you know, the longer you live, the
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more things can happen, controversies, things that fill out your
life and make it complicated. Rob G.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That is very much true. They're gonna say the same
thing about Rob Parker in a couple of years before that.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Robes.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yes, lou Holt's best known for, you know, leading Notre
Dame to an undefeated season in the eighties national championship team,
third winning his coach in Notre Dame football history, and
Notre Dame is, you know, one of the all time
great programs in college football history. But as you mentioned,
he also is not without controversy. There were allegations of
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steroid use during some of his programs, allegations of physical
abuse with players. There was in his post playing career
as revered and as much people enjoyed him on television
as an analyst, he was a character. He was very funny,
very entertaining. He also liked to step into the political
and social ring very often. He called immigrants an invasion
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of America. He ripped Colin Kaepernick for kneel during the anthem.
He supported a politician who was against the civil rights movement.
So there was a very, as you mentioned, complicated history
when it comes to Lou Holtz.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And I'm gonna say this, just go to keep it
real with you. I can't look past the starf that
Rob g just mentioned later in his life and just say, well,
I'm just going to recognize him as this football coach
who's undefeated, took Natal Dame to a national championship.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I can't when I look at your life, I look
at everything, and I'm not here to just point out
it's not one thing.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Some of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
That went on was just mind boggling to me, especially
for a guy who made a living working off the
backs of some black athletes and minorities and whatnot. It
really is troublesome, some of the stuff that lou Holtz
was saying later on his career. We see this happen
a lot, Keith, where guys have this life. They're one way,
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you know, when they're coaching or in some other circumstance,
they retire, get older, and they feel like they can
do and say whatever they want, which is their right.
But it's also my right to look at a person
when I'm looking at their whole life, and I'm never
ever because I don't think anybody else gets treated that
way where you can just pick out the good parts.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And when I.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Thought of Lou Holtz today, it wasn't about him being
a coach of Notre Dame. It wasn't about him being
a witty analyst on television. It wasn't any of that.
It was the later stuff that really bothered me about him,
and questioned how that guy coached football and coached such
a diverse staff and you know what I mean, and
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players and whatnot. It just it always I'm always amazed
that people have those kind of thoughts when they work
hand in hand with people who don't look like them.
So today was one of those days. I'm not here
to rain on his you know, death or anything, but
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I'm just saying I think that you have to look
at people in totality and the way you go out
is often the times the way people look at you
or they remember you. So that's why you talk about
legacy and what people think. For today, Lou Holtz, I
could not think of him as the football coach. It
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was the last stuff that really bothered me about Lou Holtz.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And and that's okay because that's that's his doing. And
it's not like you're kicking dirt on his grave, not
all alone. And you know, I'll say this, I immediately
thought of Hulk Hogan, right because when Hulk Hogan passed,
I saw the internet's reaction to that, and a lot
of black folks spoke up to say, hey, like, no
rip to him, no, no well wishes to him. We're
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not celebrating his like remember what he said and what
he did. Now, I think you have to be a
man of a certain age to really know Lou Holtz.
I just remember him as college game day and just
being you know, like a dad gummy at old ball coaching,
like a real football guy and an old guy. But
being old also isn't an excuse for any racism. Being
old also is in an excuse for for any type
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of discrimination, especially like Rob said, when you were coaching
and benefiting off of the backs of black players. So
we're in an era now with social media where everybody
has a platform and when anybody goes it breaks first
on social media and the good can be put out there.
But if there was bad, and people remember the bad,
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people don't forget, that's gonna be right next to it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And it's complicated, and we said it his life was
complicated because in the beginning there was a lot of good.
It was a lot of good. And I'm with you
just because you get older, We've seen it. It happened
so many times where people go out and you just go, why.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Is this hat? Why would you after all this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But is it I don't know, Keith, is it that
that's really where they were the whole time? And then
now they just feel like they're bulletproof. I could do
whatever I want. I could say whatever I want. Nobody
can do anything to me. You know what I mean.
I'm an old man. What are you gonna do to me.
You can't fire me, you can't reprimand me. I'm gonna
say what I want. And maybe this is the way
(24:04):
he thought the whole way through.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
But he needed people.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
He needed the minorities and the black people in order
to win football games and the Winter National Championship and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's really not for nothing you made. I said, HAWLK. Hogan.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You're talking about Lou Holtz in that manner made me
think of the President of the United States. He's up
there in agent. He's just a certain kind of way.
You can't change him. He's he's shown who he is
time after time, and it is what it is. But
it's not an excuse.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It's not an excuse.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And I think the whole Hogan one is it a
lot of people and you notice were big Hulk Hogan fans.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And that stuff sticks with you.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, and you know we do what I guess, rob
g I'll get you here on this. Just your thoughts.
What did you think of first? Because That's what I
really want to find out. When we talked to a
couple listeners is what was your first reaction. Obviously it's
sad away, but did you think of Notre Dame, Did
(25:03):
you think of a TV and analyst? Did you think
of the racist and controversial and stuff that went on
at the end of his life. What was the first
thing that you thought of, Because for me, it wasn't
about him being a coach at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I gotta admit I didn't think of a Notre Dame either.
As the first thing.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I thought it was him on television because that's how
I grew up, was watching him on television. And was
he on Game Day or their version of Game Day
at the time on ESPN. I think that's what it
was on, and he was like a character, like he
was just a guy, was kind of funny and an
older dude, and they really lean into the bit. And
then even more recently, this is I didn't even mention
this on the intro, his beef with Ryan Day, Like
(25:42):
Ryan Day was winning national championship at Ohio State and
lou Hols is taking shots at him through the media,
and it's like that's how I remembered him, and it
wasn't until and you wondered about that life, like really,
like why would you a.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Coach another coach? It just seemed weird, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, And so it was just interesting that once he
passed and it it's really telling depending which websites you
go to, like what they're willing to discuss, Like if
you read the ESPN one, it's exceptionally high standards, legendary
coach at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Do they mention any controversies and.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You don't really see anything talking about the other stuff.
And then you go to like it right, you go
to USA Today and it's something different.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You go to.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
News Weekend because maybe ESPN their relationship with him and
his family is probably part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And also they thought about that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But that that that never should be when when they
tell your story, they tell your entire story. And it
doesn't mean that you lead with it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I get that. I'm not saying you lead with it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's what to only write positive about somebody or
leave out.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So in the ESPN article, and this is a couple
thousand words, it's buried somewhere like eighty percent. Yeah, this
is all it says. I'm gonna read it to you verbatim.
Holts went sixty twenty one and two and seven seas
at Arkansas, but he resigned in nineteen eighty three after
coming under fire for filming two television commercials in his
office endorsing conservative North Carolina Center or Jesse Helms. They
(27:15):
became friends while Holts was coaching Nancy State. Still his
success and another name is what all his predecessors live
up to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's unbelievable, like like that's white watching it like his
life because.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
There's way more.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You even talked about the immigration and what he said
about immigrants.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And whatnot, called it an invasion. An invasion?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Is that right? I thought everybody came from somewhere else
in this country.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, the thought of the free this is supposed to
be where. I don't know, joining the melting pod.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I just I just think there's nothing wrong with looking
at someone's entire life, even in death. There's no way
you can leave out. You know, I'm not saying you
gotta trash the guy and write some and people do it.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You know, I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I saw Jesse Jackson's when he passed away on one
of these networks. The guy called him, this is on
the day he died, a race pim that can you imagine,
like seriously, like everything he's done, that was the thing
that he led with. But nobody would dare do that
to Lou Holtz and what he said and the stories
that you read, I'm just saying today was not today.
(28:25):
I thought of Notre Dame football. I thought of Lou Holtz,
the controversial conservative guy who really seemed like a different
person to me. That that's what I felt like, And
I didn't think about football. I thought about everything other
than football when it came to Lou Holtz
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's right, two teams headed in opposite directions. It seems
like the Kansas City Chiefs have done it again. They've
gotten rid of yet another All Pro player, this time
cornerback Trent McDuffie, sending him to Los Angeles to the
Rams for a first round pick this year, a fifth
and a sixth this year, and a third round pick
next year so the Rafts can go all in around
(00:50):
Rob's favorite quarterback, staff Packer, I mean Matthew Stafford. Ram
looking at making the Super Bowl run. Chiefs to be determined.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Keith, I don't know about you, but this is I
thought it was official last year when the Chiefs didn't
make the playoffs, but this is even more official. The
Chiefs dynasty, wrung, whatever you want to call it, is dead.
Dead as a door knob. Yet another All Pro player
out the door. Chris Jones is gonna be right behind that.
(01:19):
And here's the thing, I get it. For years they thought,
as long as you have Patrick Mahomes, you got a chance,
because you know what, he's that good.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
He's that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It don't matter who else you got, bringing any receivers,
bringing any other defensive players, we don't care.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
We'll still get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We'll still cost terror in the AFC and have a
chance to win a championship. Those days are over. Last
year was a perfect example. People thought they were gonna
run it back because they went to the super Bowl.
They didn't even make the playoffs. And let's be Patrick
Mahomes is not the same guy. He hasn't been for
(02:05):
two and a half years. I don't care if they
went to the super Bowl. Look at it. He can't
carry this roster.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
The Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I know they're moving to Kansas, but they've already moved on.
This Chief party is over, Keith. I don't see how where,
what Andy Weid whatever they're doing, that they're gonna be
able to keep this going. This dynasty is history. Oh great,
it's raps and I'm I'm here to see it. I'm
(02:34):
here for it. You love to see it. Actually, I've
had enough.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Did you mention.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift and that whole thing being done?
We don't ever have to see that again on an
NFL screen? And how long does Andy Reid have with
this team?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
I know they're opening that stadium up in twenty thirty one.
That's a long time from now. It seems like they're
looking down the road. It seems like they're preparing for
the back end of mahomes career. Everybody wanted to talk
about Mahomes rings and how he was gonna chase down Brady. Well,
I guess they're planning for him to take a little
hiatus in the middle from going to Super Bowls and
winning Super Bowls, and maybe they try to backload his
(03:07):
career and build this team with these picks and get
ready for them, cause they're cooked. Like this team is done.
You called it last year. I remember you texted me
the link early when you were saying that they weren't
making the playoffs, and I'm like, oh, if you look
at Vegas, everybody's saying they're gonna go on a run
and then you actually had me on your show Thanksgiving
when it was Chiefs versus Cowboys, and I took the Chiefs.
(03:28):
I bet on the Chiefs that night, and when they
lost to Dallas that night, I'm like, they're finished. So yeah,
it's the end, Farewell, happy trails. I mean, that's a rap.
And I don't know what they're gonna do in these
next couple years, but I'm not worried about it. Let
somebody else get after it.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
And here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I know they're gonna say, well, Tom Brady went nine seasons,
you know, in between super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
If you remember right the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
People forget that, that's when the Giants put the beat
down on those two years and one Ali won those
two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Patriots didn't win for like nine years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
This ain't the same party you just mentioned Andy Weid,
who's a poork chop away from retiring. This is not
the same where the Chiefs are gonna cheat like the
Patriots did in the second half of Tom Brady's career
that helped them win more championships because they knew the
other team's signals.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I think this is if you're a Chiefs fan, you
gotta look at this and.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Say, why why are they not.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Going to push all the chips in the middle of
the table and say to yourself, you really want to
waste Patrick Mahomes the next five or six years like
it's now or never.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
And if Travis.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Kelcey's coming back, you think he's coming back now, I'm
not positive he might look at this and go, what
are we doing here? But I'm not surprised because I
remember when Patrick Mahomes signed that back team friendly contract.
You remember that, Oh, do what Tom Brady did. This
will help you win long term. And all they're doing
is shedding Pro Bowl players who make who make money,
(05:04):
who gotta be be paid, and they can't kick the
can down the road anymore. And Patrick Mahomes ain't the
same guy. It's over in Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, and it's also their division too, right. The Denver
Broncos emerged this year and they're not going anywhere for
a little while with their quarterback defense. Obviously, the head coach.
You also figure the Chargers, you know they were a
playoff team this year. Quarterback head coach, get that defense
a little bit better. Who knows what the Raiders turn
into now with Clint Kubiak, maybe Fernando Mendoza. We already
(05:35):
mentioned Tom Brady wants Tom Brady wants that organization to
start winning. So maybe the Chiefs are trying to get low.
Maybe the hunt Famili's like, hey, we had our run
of parades, super Bowls, we made our money. Let's chill
for a little bit, open up our new place, and
then we'll try to attack this thing for the you know,
the twilight of Patrick Mahomes' career.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And here's the other thing too. Look at the quarterbacks
in the AFC. There's nothing but young quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Lamar is still trying to win his go to his
Super Bowl, win a super Bowl, right, You got the
same thing, Josh Allen and Buffalo another guy there. We
just saw the Patriots with a young quarterback, right, like
like Drake May, Drake May, uh Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence. We
just talked about who we talk about with the Chargers
(06:22):
uh and and and all these young quarterbacks in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
So it's not gonna be a smooth ride.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's not gonna be what we saw when he started
out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
He was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
My old partner Chris Bussard said he was Jordanesque and
he was chasing.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Everybody thought he's gonna chase down Brady. He didn't even pass.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Uh Joe Montana, Joe Montana's four town the Super Bowl.
How the Patrick Mahomes chase down Joe Montana.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And now today they're ready to say we're going to punt,
We're going to get rid of players that you need
to win and hope that Patrick Mahomes can do his magic.
He just hasn't done his magic enough over the last
few years for me to feel good about the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Hey, it's the NFL. What does that stand for? Not
for long.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
As soon as you're ready to say somebody's a dynasty,
they're gonna run the table. This is the next Tom
Brady injury happens. Free agency happens, like I think they
just they let go of Juwan Taylor. Isaiah Pacheco is
gonna hit free agent, like this team is gonna look
completely different. And they had their issues the last two years,
even the year that they got to the Super Bowl.
I mean, they had so many last minute comeback victories.
(07:38):
Two years ago they were almost fraudulent I don't want
to call them fraut They weren't.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
No, no, they were fraudulent and all of those lucky
wins and people were hitting me upright with the field
goals and people were.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Falling with flooky. It was very fluky.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
And you looked at it and said, are they really
that good or are they lucky? Because I thought they were
more lucky than good. And they haven't been that team
that was dominant when he first went, when Patrick Mahomes
took over. You remember throwing the ball Tyreek Hill downfield.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
They was schooling.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
They got a from Tyree d Boy. They got to
get Tyreek back for this run. Oh, so this is
gonna be old timer's day. Now you want to go
back and bring the van back together. I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hi'll be rehabbing together in
Missouri somewhere.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And then they're getting rid of Arrowhead.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
How do you get rid of one of the best
home field advantages, one of the loudest stadiums in the
NFL because you want to have suits and you want
to be able to, you know, have Travis Kelce and
Taylor Swift come back in five years and show them
how fancy you guys are whatever, y'all. Well, I'm sorry,
I'm a hater. They won so much. I'm praying on
their downfall. I'm not sad to see them in the
(08:44):
situation out they're in.
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Speaker 3 (09:28):
Rob, your third favorite Aaron in the world, behind Aaron
Judge and Aaron Mallard.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Aaron Rodgers, He's moved down to third place now he's
number three.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
When you got first, Aaron Judge Aaron Jude's winning your
pocket and then Aaron Aaron mallin number two. That's right.
So Aaron Rodgers was on Pat McAfee again for the
Rogers Wednesdays, and they asked him very specifically, like, Hey,
are you going to be back in Pittsburgh next season?
What's going on? What's the timeline? Aaron Rodgers, you said,
very non committal.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Take a listen, Mike, I've talked to Omar. There's been
no deadline that's been you know, that's been put in
front of me. There's no contracts, you know, offer or anything.
So there's nothing that I'm you know, having to debate between.
I'm you know, free agent and you know again, I'm
enjoying my time with my wife and enjoying this part
(10:22):
of the off season and and you know, I think
there's conversations to be added down the line, but right
now I'm not not. There hasn't been any progressive conversations.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
All right, Yeah, take your time, we got we got
all twenty twenty six. Listen, I gotta I gotta go
in on this. Some of my people in the chat
know Aaron Rodgers is the song that does in and
it just goes on and on. My friends, some people
started singing it not knowing what it was, and they
(10:57):
will keep on singing it.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Forever, just because why do we do this? Why do
we entertain this guy?
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Pat McAfee pays him to be on this show anytime
he pops up from wherever he is with his wired
in headphones, with his ridiculous takes, his conspiracy theories and
just taking his sweet old time.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
We lean into it. We played so now Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Mike McCarthy's got to be pulling his hair out, like yo,
here we go again, deja vu with this guy.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
I gotta deal with this guy. The Packers kicked him
to the curb and said, no, Moss, We're good. We
got Jordan Love.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
The Jets played that game and you saw how Karma
came in four plays in took him up out of there,
and then they played it a second year, and then
last year. Aaron Glenn and to the Steelers he is old.
I just said, father time is undefeated. Aaron like bro
Aaron Rodgers, hang it up. He's cooked. I can't do
this anymore. How long has he been in the league.
(11:51):
We just watched his Enigma Netflix show, like Why does
he get this much attention for a guy that can't move.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
The game has passed him by.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
He's made all of his money like the highest paid
player ever next to Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I can't do another year of this, Just retire. Hang
it up. You got to the playoffs last year. What
else do you need?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I'm gonna push back and Pittsburgh last year. I'll give
you this. Do you know what Aaron Rodgers record was
last year for the Steelers?
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Ten and six? Ten and six.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
They hadn't had a quarterback, a real quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Are we applauding ten and six?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Steelers didn't go nine to eight.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, they won the division with Aaron Rodgers, with the
guy you want to disappear.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
You can pooh pull it all you want. They came division.
We already know about the Browns the Bagels. This year
is not gonna be like that. No, who care about that.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm gotta get a quarterback that can move in this league,
at least move in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
He's forty two, Rob, I know he's forty two, But
I'm saying to you, do you know what this? The
NFL doesn't have quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Look around, they have quarterbacks, the proper quarterbacks coming in
in the draft.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
A nobody talking about no draft.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm talking about quarterbacks who are proven, who can play.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
And you could say whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
The Rivers they they these older guys, no country for
old man.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
These old guys saw Philip Rivers and now none one
of Philip Rivers was was a bad uh Britain back.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
But now Aaron Rodgers says he can play. Until he
was Tom Brady's aige. Tom Brady played to the forty
four to forty five. Philip Rivers comes back. Now these
guys just want to drag this out. I know he
doesn't want to go to camp and they probably will
entertain him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They will let time. There's a chance. Should who should play.
They don't have a quarterback and until they Jill Howard,
they shouldn't. Dragon don't have him quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
My boy signed. Somebody, go sign somebody. Michael Carton coming in,
McCarty's coming in because they kicked Tomlin to the curve. Well,
Tomlin stepped down, but Tomlin couldn't get them to the
Promised Land. He was just enough, just good enough, just
good enough, which is not good enough. And Aaron Rodgers
coming back is gonna be mid again. I'm telling you,
we're always in our time entertaining his guy so and so.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Instead of being mid, you're gonna go up three and
and fourteen.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Because he was a coach.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
They're not gonna know the Steelers will win because you're
gonna win more than three games. He'll probably win another
nine or ten games with a serviceable quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Oh you exactly who that's going.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But there's the issue, and it's easy to say, go
get somebody else, go do this. All I know if
you're the Steelers from a year ago, Aaron Rodgers connected
with that team. They were He was ten and six
when he played. He missed a couple of games to injury. Right,
he played, he was ten and six. They won the division.
(14:47):
They got smoked in the postseason in the playoff game,
I'll give you that against a really good defense in
the Texans.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
They and you shouldn't even have got to the playoffs.
Now I'm thinking about it, well, but they didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
What happened? They they won the game. And all I'm
saying to live, yeah, all right, that it's called football.
And you could sit here all day and talk about
why left, why right?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
The footballs could give you all of that.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
If I did that with Tom Brady, who's the low
the luckiest of all time, I could take away for
his Super Bowls about being lucky.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
So all I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Saying is, but Rogers got one super Bowl, he's not
getting another one. If you want to be made, bring
him back. He's not taking you to the Promised Land.
Stop wasting.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, I'm gonna give you exhibit A on why you're
off base. Okay, Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl as
the ten man with Denver.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Do you remember the defense was stat Okay, but my
game too.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
But my point is he wasn't the quarterback that he
was prior and he won a Super Bowl. He threw
for less than two hundred yards, he threw one touchdown,
one pick, different game, the.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Game different. You can win and if you have the
right quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I'll tell you right now, if Aaron Rodgers was on
the Texas last year, they would have won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
With that defense. I'll get you. I'll get that. Okay.
J Strauviss just handing the ball over.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But what I'm trying to Steelers have enough around Aaron
Rodgers with the first year not first year head coach,
but obviously the first year of Mike McCarthy coaching the
Steelers to actually be any better than they were last year.
I think it'll be another wasted year and then Aaron
Rodgers will bow out. He should just ride off into
the sunset with the fact that he played for another
story franchise, got them to the playoffs, and that's it. Bro,
(16:25):
Go chill with your wife being Malibu, be on the beach,
Go go go do ayahuasca, like go go do anything else.
I'm good on Aaron Rodgers saka another year. It is
no Moss, no Moss.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I'm just like, I don't get caught up personally, Like
it doesn't bother me. If a guy wants to play.
He played well last year. I remember two years ago
when everybody said he was washed. He had the same
status as Patrick Mahomes. But all the Mahomes people calling,
go look up the stats. Two years ago, the year
that Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs went to the Super Bowl,
Aaron Rodgers had the same exact stats as Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
The stats can be leader.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
He doesn't necessary like his arm is still there, but
he doesn't necessarily have that like speed that he had
them getting the ball to where it's got to go.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Even some accuracy. He misses some throws. He's old.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
And the last thing I'll say about him, he's scared
to take a hit. He's chucking duck. He does not
want to get hit because he's old and he's fragile.
He's a tough game. He's a rough game. He's gonna
get hit, old man.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
He's still won ten games. And the division you could
discount at all you want. The Steelers have one division.
I would run a banks. That'll be because of Mike
McCarthy and his history with Aaron Rodgers. And it could
be one year until they can find a quarterback. They
don't have a quarterback. That's the only reason. If they
really had a guy in the house for the quarterback position,
(17:44):
they wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
But they don't go pay Malik Williston. What you're talking
about Willis? They ain't doing that. Talking about Malik Willis.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Does he want to go to the Cardinals or does
he want to go to the Steelers? All right, Steelers drafted?
Can he pick it in on him a couple of
years back? Run it back, bring Mike Malik Willison. I'm
telling you Aaron Rodgers is cooked. And he always makes
it about himself and he blames people and he's it's
never him, It's never him.
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if I was Mike McCarthy nor Moss. No thanks.
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Speaker 1 (18:25):
Live solemn news. Today in the college football world, Rob G.
Lou Holtz passed away. It was he eighty nine, eighty
nine years old. Eighty nine years that's a long life.
But whenever you have a long life, you know there's
a situation where you know, the longer you live, the
(18:46):
more things can happen, controversies, things that fill out your
life and make it complicated. Rob G.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That is very much true. They're gonna say the same
thing about Rob Parker in a couple of years before that.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Robes.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yes, lou Holt's best known for, you know, leading Notre
Dame to an undefeated season in the eighties national championship team,
third winning his coach in Notre Dame football history, and
Notre Dame is, you know, one of the all time
great programs in college football history. But as you mentioned,
he also is not without controversy. There were allegations of
(19:18):
steroid use during some of his programs, allegations of physical
abuse with players. There was in his post playing career
as revered and as much people enjoyed him on television
as an analyst, he was a character. He was very funny,
very entertaining. He also liked to step into the political
and social ring very often. He called immigrants an invasion
(19:38):
of America. He ripped Colin Kaepernick for kneel during the anthem.
He supported a politician who was against the civil rights movement.
So there was a very, as you mentioned, complicated history
when it comes to Lou Holtz.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
And I'm gonna say this, just go to keep it
real with you. I can't look past the starf that
Rob g just mentioned later in his life and just say, well,
I'm just going to recognize him as this football coach
who's undefeated, took Natal Dame to a national championship.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I can't when I look at your life, I look
at everything, and I'm not here to just point out
it's not one thing.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Some of the stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
That went on was just mind boggling to me, especially
for a guy who made a living working off the
backs of some black athletes and minorities and whatnot. It
really is troublesome, some of the stuff that lou Holtz
was saying later on his career. We see this happen
a lot, Keith, where guys have this life. They're one way,
(20:46):
you know, when they're coaching or in some other circumstance,
they retire, get older, and they feel like they can
do and say whatever they want, which is their right.
But it's also my right to look at a person
when I'm looking at their whole life, and I'm never
ever because I don't think anybody else gets treated that
way where you can just pick out the good parts.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And when I.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Thought of Lou Holtz today, it wasn't about him being
a coach of Notre Dame. It wasn't about him being
a witty analyst on television. It wasn't any of that.
It was the later stuff that really bothered me about him,
and questioned how that guy coached football and coached such
a diverse staff and you know what I mean, and
(21:31):
players and whatnot. It just it always I'm always amazed
that people have those kind of thoughts when they work
hand in hand with people who don't look like them.
So today was one of those days. I'm not here
to rain on his you know, death or anything, but
(21:52):
I'm just saying I think that you have to look
at people in totality and the way you go out
is often the times the way people look at you
or they remember you. So that's why you talk about
legacy and what people think. For today, Lou Holtz, I
could not think of him as the football coach. It
(22:13):
was the last stuff that really bothered me about Lou Holtz.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And and that's okay because that's that's his doing. And
it's not like you're kicking dirt on his grave, not
all alone. And you know, I'll say this, I immediately
thought of Hulk Hogan, right because when Hulk Hogan passed,
I saw the internet's reaction to that, and a lot
of black folks spoke up to say, hey, like, no
rip to him, no, no well wishes to him. We're
(22:38):
not celebrating his like remember what he said and what
he did. Now, I think you have to be a
man of a certain age to really know Lou Holtz.
I just remember him as college game day and just
being you know, like a dad gummy at old ball coaching,
like a real football guy and an old guy. But
being old also isn't an excuse for any racism. Being
old also is in an excuse for for any type
(23:00):
of discrimination, especially like Rob said, when you were coaching
and benefiting off of the backs of black players. So
we're in an era now with social media where everybody
has a platform and when anybody goes it breaks first
on social media and the good can be put out there.
But if there was bad, and people remember the bad,
(23:21):
people don't forget, that's gonna be right next to it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
And it's complicated, and we said it his life was
complicated because in the beginning there was a lot of good.
It was a lot of good. And I'm with you
just because you get older, We've seen it. It happened
so many times where people go out and you just go, why.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Is this hat? Why would you after all this?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But is it I don't know, Keith, is it that
that's really where they were the whole time? And then
now they just feel like they're bulletproof. I could do
whatever I want. I could say whatever I want. Nobody
can do anything to me. You know what I mean.
I'm an old man. What are you gonna do to me.
You can't fire me, you can't reprimand me. I'm gonna
say what I want. And maybe this is the way
(24:04):
he thought the whole way through.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
But he needed people.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
He needed the minorities and the black people in order
to win football games and the Winter National Championship and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It's really not for nothing you made. I said, HAWLK. Hogan.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You're talking about Lou Holtz in that manner made me
think of the President of the United States. He's up
there in agent. He's just a certain kind of way.
You can't change him. He's he's shown who he is
time after time, and it is what it is. But
it's not an excuse.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It's not an excuse.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And I think the whole Hogan one is it a
lot of people and you notice were big Hulk Hogan fans.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
And that stuff sticks with you.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, and you know we do what I guess, rob
g I'll get you here on this. Just your thoughts.
What did you think of first? Because That's what I
really want to find out. When we talked to a
couple listeners is what was your first reaction. Obviously it's
sad away, but did you think of Notre Dame, Did
(25:03):
you think of a TV and analyst? Did you think
of the racist and controversial and stuff that went on
at the end of his life. What was the first
thing that you thought of, Because for me, it wasn't
about him being a coach at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I gotta admit I didn't think of a Notre Dame either.
As the first thing.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I thought it was him on television because that's how
I grew up, was watching him on television. And was
he on Game Day or their version of Game Day
at the time on ESPN. I think that's what it
was on, and he was like a character, like he
was just a guy, was kind of funny and an
older dude, and they really lean into the bit. And
then even more recently, this is I didn't even mention
this on the intro, his beef with Ryan Day, Like
(25:42):
Ryan Day was winning national championship at Ohio State and
lou Hols is taking shots at him through the media,
and it's like that's how I remembered him, and it
wasn't until and you wondered about that life, like really,
like why would you a.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Coach another coach? It just seemed weird, didn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Yeah, And so it was just interesting that once he
passed and it it's really telling depending which websites you
go to, like what they're willing to discuss, Like if
you read the ESPN one, it's exceptionally high standards, legendary
coach at Notre Dame.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Do they mention any controversies and.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
You don't really see anything talking about the other stuff.
And then you go to like it right, you go
to USA Today and it's something different.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
You go to.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
News Weekend because maybe ESPN their relationship with him and
his family is probably part of it.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And also they thought about that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But that that that never should be when when they
tell your story, they tell your entire story. And it
doesn't mean that you lead with it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I get that. I'm not saying you lead with it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's what to only write positive about somebody or
leave out.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So in the ESPN article, and this is a couple
thousand words, it's buried somewhere like eighty percent. Yeah, this
is all it says. I'm gonna read it to you verbatim.
Holts went sixty twenty one and two and seven seas
at Arkansas, but he resigned in nineteen eighty three after
coming under fire for filming two television commercials in his
office endorsing conservative North Carolina Center or Jesse Helms. They
(27:15):
became friends while Holts was coaching Nancy State. Still his
success and another name is what all his predecessors live
up to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's unbelievable, like like that's white watching it like his
life because.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
There's way more.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
You even talked about the immigration and what he said
about immigrants.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
And whatnot, called it an invasion. An invasion?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Is that right? I thought everybody came from somewhere else
in this country.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, the thought of the free this is supposed to
be where. I don't know, joining the melting pod.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I just I just think there's nothing wrong with looking
at someone's entire life, even in death. There's no way
you can leave out. You know, I'm not saying you
gotta trash the guy and write some and people do it.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You know, I've seen it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I saw Jesse Jackson's when he passed away on one
of these networks. The guy called him, this is on
the day he died, a race pim that can you imagine,
like seriously, like everything he's done, that was the thing
that he led with. But nobody would dare do that
to Lou Holtz and what he said and the stories
that you read, I'm just saying today was not today.
(28:25):
I thought of Notre Dame football. I thought of Lou Holtz,
the controversial conservative guy who really seemed like a different
person to me. That that's what I felt like, And
I didn't think about football. I thought about everything other
than football when it came to Lou Holtz
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