March 6, 2026 • 24 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Kelvin, and he and Rob debate whether Jayson Tatum’s return to the floor could derail the Boston Celtics, tell us if it’s fair to expect that the Detroit Lions will miss the playoffs for the second consecutive season, and react to the breaking news that the Las Vegas Raiders are trading All-Pro pass rusher Maxx Crosby to the Baltimore Ravens.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Big news tonight, we're what three minutes away from tip
off Jason Tatum making his triumphant return to the floor
in Boston, about ten and a half months removed from
tearing his achilles in the playoffs. According to ESPN's George Saddano,
Tatum not only is he gonna play tonight, he is
gonna start and there is reportedly no minutes restriction. JT
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is full go for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You got a problem with this, huh uh?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Listen, I'm just saying the way that the conversation around
this has been presented, I think is missing, like such
a major part of it. And it goes back to
the way that you get introduced to people, like when
you get hired in as like the janitor. Very rarely
are you coming in as the CEO, and for whatever reason,
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basketball reasons, all types of reasons, Jason Tatum has been
since the moment he walked into Boston has been deemed
as the guy. Really, you know what it was when
he dunked on Lebron in that Game six in the
Eastern Conference playoffs and his rookie year and ever since then,
it's been Jason Tatum is the guy. So I'm not mad,
and I think what he's done in terms of rehabbing,
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in terms of coming back. Look, two hundred and ninety
eight days ago, it says that Tatum tore his achilles
and he was able to come back, and like that
is a testament to his body's Forurth thought that he
would be a year testament to his work ethic. All
of that is incredible. However, this is the thing that
I find to be fascinating is the Boston Celtics right now.
Had Jason Tatum played this entire season, you wouldn't have
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said that they could be much better than they are
right now in terms of win losses, in terms of
standings in the East, that their second or third in
the East have been one of the best teams in
the Eastern Conference. All year. Right, maybe they're the one
seasons out of the two seed, but Jalen Brown has
second highest uses rate. He was the finals MVP last year.
He is an MVP candidate this year. Has played a
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ton of games. Like I get that the MVP candidacy
is like the sixty five game thing, but you know
what that also means that Jalen Brown's been available and
he's been the guy. And now hearing the report from Saddano,
like Rob g just said that Jason Tatum is walking
into the starting lineup with no minutes restriction, makes it
seem that the conversation around it teams off to me
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because the common refrain Rob has been, well, if you
can get seventy percent of Jason Tatum, the Celtics are
gonna be that much better. If you can get Jason Tatum,
he's just gonna stand in the corner and shoot threes.
If you're gonna get the Jason Tatum that's gonna be
comfortable being a role player, then everything's gonna be fine.
What I have felt about Tatum and I think if
you asked Ascent Tatum, he will tell you he has
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no interest in being a role player. He has very's
very into his legacy in terms of he wants to
look in terms of how he deems himself. Losing the
Finals MVP or not winning the Finals MVP. I know
took a shot to him because you can see it
and when he talks to it, and this is a
guy rob to put a pin in it. He clearly
cares about NBA legacy because when he won the championship,
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he did all of the anything is Possible, did the
Kobe picture, all of the pictures and all of the
moments that he saw from NBA legends of his childhood.
He relived them with the trophy. You're not telling me
that this guy's not coming back trying to win a
Finals MVP this year. And I think that when you
have a Batman in Robins situation like it has been
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in Boston since the arrival of Jason Tatum and now
all of a sudden, Batman's been out for a year
and Robin has been fighting crime just as well, you know,
like that's it, and now I just think it's tough.
It can be a tough situation for everybody to come
back and be copoesthetic. With Ason Tatum coming back and
taking the exact same role that he used to have.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
I totally disagree, and I'm gonna say this, whenever you
can add talent to your team and your roster as
you try to make a chance at a climb to
try to get to an.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
NBA championship, I don't see why you wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And this is not coming back to the same team
because they got rid of a lot of veterans al Horford,
they traded Porzingis, they got rid of people, and he's
coming back and a lot of young guys.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Have been able to plug up the boat.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And you're right, Jalen Brown should be considered for the
MVP because everybody rode off the Celtics. And even if
Tatum didn't win, he didn't win the NBA Finals MVP,
but he led the team in every step the big
major category for the NBA Finals, So he didn't win it,
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but he was a big entry and let in every
single major category. People can look it up, so it
was weird that he didn't win it, but he was
a major factor. You always add talent. They have to
know what he feels like and they have to believe
that he can just go out there and play, and
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he doesn't have to come in and start off the bench.
If they believe he's put in the work and he's
completely healthy to go out and start and play and
just play, then that's where they are on this. I
gotta believe that they're not going to rush the guy
out there for no reason. And you say that they
can't be better their second, they're not first. The Pistons
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are first. The Pistons have a five game lead. I
don't know how you don't welcome back a player of
this caliber to a young team that overachieved all year.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And now the reinforcements can come.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Now the Cavalry has come, and now they can acquiesce
and get back into like a You're like, oh, he's
gonna mess up everything.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
The game plan was him and Jalen Brown and the
other people, and now that he's back, those other players
will have to adjust around those two.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Those two players. To me a healthy.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Jason Tatum, I'm swinging away from the Knicks. I'm swinging
away from the Pistons. I'm swinging away from the Cavaliers.
I say they are the favorites to come out of
the East. If he's stay sealthy and just plays with
what they've done. So I totally understand it because the
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only reason they lost to the Knicks. If you remember
the first two games, they blew double digits fourth quarter leads,
and they shot horrendous from three point. That can never
happen again. I don't care what basketball team you're talking about.
In the postseason, they missed seventy five out of one
hundred shots and they lost those two games to the
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you know, lost those games to the Knicks that turn
that series around. They'll never do that again. They're the
favorites in the East with Jason Tatum. Without Jason Tatum,
they're not the favorites in the East. So I don't
know what the conversation would.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So that's my point. It's that is the common refrain,
and I don't disagree with. Obviously, if you could add
a guy who's been fourteen first time All NBA, you should, right.
I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or
anything for the Boston Celtics. I'm saying just in terms of,
like on a basketball fit. Of course, if we're playing
video games, of course, but these are people, and Jalen
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Brown is a guy who from my eye, it looks
like he has taken a back seat for the entirety
of his NBA career, and even when you go to
the Olympics, didn't make the Olympic team. For Jason Tatum
to go and sit on the bench, like I think
that there is a level of Jalen Brown says, I
have not gotten the amount of credit and respect in
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this league that is worthy of a player of my stature.
And part of the reason why, all right, it's because
Jayson Tatum's right on my same team. I'm just saying
it's something to look out for, because I don't think
that the Boston Celtics now, all of a sudden, are
just the odds on favorite. I have to see Tatum
come back and be himself first before I can feel
good about that.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I don't know, just Tatum when you think about became
just a sixth player in NBA history to lead a
team to a championship, and he led the team in points, rebounds,
and assist in the postseason. Doesn't happen all the time.
I know he didn't win the MVP, so a lot
of people want to discount it. But when you do
that and you're the sixth player all time in the
league's been around for a million years.
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Speaker 4 (09:16):
Let's go to the Lions and another loss for them,
Rob Parker.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Earlier this week we talked about it, David Montgomery was
traded out of town. Big loss for them, and now
they're set to lose another key player. Pro Bowl left
tackle Taylor Decker has requested his release from the Lions
and it has been granted. His release by the Lions.
They're calling it a cost cutting move, and just to
give you some context about what's going on there in
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Detroit in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
This was two.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Seasons ago, so not last season. The one before they
had arguably the best offensive line in football. Don't even
was arguingly they had the best offensive line in football
since then. Star center Frank ragnow retired, Kevin Zeidler left
in free agency, left tackle Taylor Decker now released, and
they also lost a rotational guy, Graham Glasgow, who was
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filling in an the interior offensive line. So this vaunted
Lions O line is no more. And the other thing, too,
is the Bears moves.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I said it got greater to a minus on their
trade of DJ Moore and the picks they moved up
in a pick and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Where are you on the Lions as we go forward?
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Martin?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Just trending upward downward?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean, I was the one who picked them not
to make the playoffs last year. Kelvin didn't want to
hear it, but it did come true. Where are you
on the Lions? Can it be two years in the row?
Do they bounce byt I.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Think they make the playoffs this year, but it's more
a belief in the infrastructure. I believe in Dan Campbell
and Brad Holmes to be able to unless they just
had the best luck ever in their first first what
five or six drafts. I believe that they'll be able
to replace guys like this, and I know that last
year you got kind of caught off guard with Frank
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grag Now retiring at the time that he did, and
also with Michael Parsons getting traded to the Packers at
the time that he did, because that's a major part
of your game plan when you're planning for him. And
I think they handled them the second time that they played.
The first time, he was just a game wrecker in
that first game. I'm not out on the lines, but
again it's because I think Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes,
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when you have the right head coach and the right GM,
and I'm not convinced they have the right head coach
because I think that their window of winning a championship,
will getting to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Is gone, right, I would disagree with that. I think
it's gone.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I think they had a great chance to do it,
and Dan Campbell was a big part on why that
didn't happen, and even after that he even said this
might be our only chance at it and I've seen
it before. The last time the Lions went to the
NFC Championship game, they went a thirty year drought before
they got back.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That other time against the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
So I look at it more like the Philadelphia Eagles.
I think if you look at the Lions, the Eagles,
and the forty nine Ers, those are the two or
three teams in the NFC over the last five years
that have had the most the most sustained success in
the regular season, right or last three years, the most
insane success in the regular What year did the Eagles
not make the playoffs? They made the playoffs every year
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we got smoked in the wildcard. Just ask him what
year did they not make the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Like the Lions.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
They got smoked in the wildcard in a game in
which was an embarrassment for SyRI Galen hurts right, Okay,
but if we could do that too, Like, when did
the Lions just get smoked out the playoffs? No, it
hasn't happened, all right.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So my point is that your point is.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
The Lions missed the playoffs, and you think they're going
to miss the playoffs again this year. I'm saying I
think the Lions are not going to miss the playoffs
again next year because at head coach and at GM
they got the right guys. Now you really want to
talk about the kind of the secret in the NFC North,
the quiet part, because I'm with you on the Bears.
I think the Bears also, we're right now we're talking
about the winner of the division and the second best
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team in the division between Lions and Bears. The quiepart
allowed is there was no such thing as a seventh
seed in the NFC. The Packers would have never under
Matt lafleor I'm sorry without Aaron Rodgers. Under mattla floor
made the postseason. That seventh seed is doing a hot
lot for him, and he should.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
There's a seventh seed. I mean, it's a part of it.
I hear what you're saying. If there's only four seeds
or four seeds, then three other teams wouldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I mean, we could get here all day about that.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
My point is simple, is that the Lions keep losing
people and the division isn't getting weaker.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I still think the Packers are better.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No, I do Michael Parsons, A healthy Michael Parsons for
all year I think they're better than the Lions. And
I also think obviously the Bears are better than the Lions.
And we'll see what the Vikings do if they able
to put a quarterback. Even last year with no quarterback
they won nine games. They're dying this safe, Vikings, the Vikings.
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The Vikings are so bad. They won nine games, one
less than the Lions. And the Vikings were the ones
with the terrible JJ McCarthy who did the boogie boo
on the Lions when they went to Detroit and won
that game.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That was the Lions season. You agree on that one.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
That game, that's when they lost the season like that,
and that was the game, and that came against the
Vikings in Detroit. So I just look at the Bears
above the Lions. I look at Green Bay above the Lions,
and Minnesota was one game different from the Lions. With
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a bad quarterback or bad quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Guess what, They're still going to have bad quarterback and
not half the luck that they had last year. And
again you say healthy Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons isn't going
to be healthy in week one after he tore it.
Say week one, but I mean what they split with
the Packers with a healthy Michael Parsons, the Lions did.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
I just don't have the same confidence should go from
the number one seed in the NFC to not making
a playoffs. There's there's something wrong there. How did that happen?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah, we just outlined it. We just outlined it. Half
the offensive line retired. I mean the offensive line retired
right before the season started. Then you had, I mean
the celebration that with Frank Ragnan I was thinking about
coming out of retirement shows you how dire it was.
I'm not I am not disputing that the Lions had
a good year last year, all right, it's trying to
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attempt to say that. But what I'm saying is, you've
seen the forty nine ers have it down year under
this Kyle Shanahan era, they are right back the next year.
If you believe in the Philadelphia Eagles, you saw them
have a down year. They were right back the next year.
And I think a lot of that had to do
with Saquon Barkley rushing for two thousand yards. If you
have the right people in place, you'll have it down
year or two, but then you right back where you started.
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The rams prior to they had a down year, go
to the Super Bowl, down year, right back and compete.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
They go, we're right back, right back to the postseason.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
If they're right, that's where you said the Lions aren't
going right back to the postseason, right back.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But the difference is I just the difference is they don't.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Have forty five years, however long of being terrible, and
you didn't come up doing your victory laps every time
the Lions lost.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
What are you talking about? I was the one who
said they weren't Why why didn't they go? Why did
people think that most people thought they'd make the playoffs
last year?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I thought they were making ninety nine percent of the
people out there covered the NFL, I didn't think so.
I thought the loss of Ben Johnson was bigger than
people wanted to give credit to. And I think that
they're not the same team without Ben Jones. I don't
believe they're the same team, and I don't believe that
when they continue to lose pieces that it's the same
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team that was put together and people thought maybe had
a four or five year run.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
That run, to me, is probably over.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And if they don't make the playoffs, again this year,
then it will be officially over. And that's where I'm
leaning unless something you know, catastrophic, uh, some sort of
the terrible thing happens to the Bears or or the Packers.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You know what I mean that I that I can't see.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Packers just aren't. The Packers are the both most mythical
team in the NFL. I do not understand anything why
people talk about the Packers. It's a year and year
out super Bowl contenders. When the last time.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Mentioned the Super Bowl, if you mentioned them going into
the I mentioned them going into the playoffs being better
than the Lion, right, and.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
So how many teams do you think? So you say
that Packers aren't super Bowl contenders?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
But that's not what we're talking about now. I don't
have my super Bowl contenders because I don't know what's happening.
We don't have free agency. I don't have any of that.
I give you the pencil. The Packers in the Tope
North is a joke. I don't know about people. I'm
just talking about me.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Well do what people? Anybody who's doing it I think
is just it's just misguy. I don't I don't see
the evidence on the field to justify that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
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Speaker 4 (17:58):
We got some breaking new What's what, mister, Steve de Seger.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
The Raiders are trading edge rusher Max Crosby to the
Baltimore Ravens for two first rounders. The one for this
year is number fourteen overall. It's not official till next week,
but certainly in place deal Raiders. Crosby to the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Back to you, all right, Steve, Thank you Martin your
first idea of take on this, because I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
If I'm a Ravens fan, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
My first take? I haven't completely digested the Ravens part
of it. My first take is I don't think a
single move the Raiders have done since Tom Brady and
John Spytech took over and have made sense, like in
a vacuum trading Max Crosby today. I understand the logic.
You can build up for next season.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
So on, and you're going to get two first round
picks right this year, next year.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
We watch teams every year ago from worse to first.
You're drafting a quarterback with the first overall pick. We
assume at this moment in time. If you're doing that,
your clock starts immediately. I don't know how it makes
you better tomorrow to trade Max Rosby, Like I don't
unless the guy you get in twenty six for that
first round pick is a stud.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But unless there's another part of it. He didn't want
to be there.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
And you know, like Pat Roley once said when he
was coaching the Knicks, and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Either you're in or you're out.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
And once somebody's out Martin, you got to move on
from him, even though he's a great player.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
That's why I was asking. But that's why I say
the Raiders things with you, you know what I mean?
Like somebody guy.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Has the Raiders logo tattoo for life. I got it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
But he once he asked out, and he was really
mad at the organization. You remember when they wanted to
shut him down at the end of the year and
didn't want them to play, and he went away from
the facility. All I'm saying if I'm a Ravens fan,
though I'm astatic like to get a player of that caliber.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You're serious about it, like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Team was way too good Martin to have not been
able to get to a super Bowl. Like by this point,
you got a quarterback who's a two times could have
been easily a three time MVP. All these other.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Things, and I just say a three time All pros
it is times every other everybody else got the numbers
that up, right, three time All Pro like to be
the best quarterback in football three times in his career,
to be that young, and then some of the other things.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
There's always something going wrong here.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
But but Crosby is a right that ain't a wrong,
you know, like there's always something when they lost the
game to the Steelers field goal kicker, mister field goal,
and then you remember when they lost to Buffalo, they
had a two point convergent dropped.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You know, like a had a guy like Max Crosby.
To me when me and Robb you were talking about
this before the show, like a great pass rusher is
equivalent to a great closer in baseball. But the tricky
thing about a closer if you never are leading going
into the ninth inning. You Gonta the best one in
the world. It doesn't matter, right, And so that's why
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I think that on its face, of course, you tell
him you're adding a top five pass rusher to a
team with Super Bowl aspirations. I said, yes, two thumbs up.
That's a good idea, rob G.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
From the Raiders perspective. Rob G, of course is our
residents Raiders fan. So just you know, you knew what
was coming, you knew what was going to be painful.
But now are you mad at it? Are you happy
because you got the first round picks? And do you
follow him to the Ravens as a fan?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Like I'm not saying you kind of call me the
bo Benson the Fox Sports radio. Oh don't you put
that out there. No, Martin is so righty cancer and
left right now. The Tom Brady era of Raiders football
has been bas It has been trash. He has been horrible.
He has no idea what he's doing as the lead
decision maker. You guys touched on it, Tom Brady. This
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not opinion, This is factual. Look it up. Had a
personal decision. It was his decision. They ran it by him.
He hand picked. Pete Carroll fired after year one, and
we knew that was a bad high from jump Chip Kelly,
not only bringing him up from college, making him the
highest paid coordinator in football, didn't even make it through
the season. Gino Smith dumped after one season. They paid
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him fifty eight million dollars the equivalent in one year
for Gino Smith.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
And that's after part of it too. They vetoed Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Exactly, and now you trade away you're only good player,
a guy who, to Martin's point, wanted to be a
Raider so much so he got a tattooed on his body,
so much so that when they tried to shut him
down and get the number one overall pick, he said, no,
I don't do that. I played football. I'm here to
win games. Put me out there, and they said no.
(22:51):
And now you're going to have on the heels of
last season drafting a running back in the top ten
when we have no offensive line to speak of. They're
all in now on a quarterback in Fernando Mendoza, who
most people who cover the league and are scouts and
gms if he's decatives all agree that if this was
two or three years ago, he's like the fifth quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Take it right.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But Tom Brady sees this guy who's six' five kind
of like, me kind of an underdog just like, me
really an athletic just like. Me but he's really, smart
just like. Me he's gonna be just like. Me, no
it doesn't work like, that. Bro you Have Bill belichick
calling defense for twenty years with the top five defense every,
year go to The Super. Bowl you Have Bill belichick
still in the signs from all these teams so you
can get to The Super bowl year after. Year and
(23:32):
Now Tom brady's gonna fly in in between calling games
For fox and playing flag football with The Paul, brothers
and he's expecting us to have a winning.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
ORGANIZATION i don't get, it, man this is.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Embarrassing this would be a shorter flight that's not In
Sauid arabia. Anymore that's, right it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Bad but you talked About Max crosby's. TATTOO i Think.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
ALEX i Thought alex had A Fox Sports radio, tattoo
and THEN i realized it was just a. Birthmark so we're, okay,
yes all, Right, well how did you know.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Big news tonight, we're what three minutes away from tip
off Jason Tatum making his triumphant return to the floor
in Boston, about ten and a half months removed from
tearing his achilles in the playoffs. According to ESPN's George Saddano,
Tatum not only is he gonna play tonight, he is
gonna start and there is reportedly no minutes restriction. JT
(00:48):
is full go for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You got a problem with this, huh uh?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Listen, I'm just saying the way that the conversation around
this has been presented, I think is missing, like such
a major part of it. And it goes back to
the way that you get introduced to people, like when
you get hired in as like the janitor. Very rarely
are you coming in as the CEO, and for whatever reason,
(01:15):
basketball reasons, all types of reasons, Jason Tatum has been
since the moment he walked into Boston has been deemed
as the guy. Really, you know what it was when
he dunked on Lebron in that Game six in the
Eastern Conference playoffs and his rookie year and ever since then,
it's been Jason Tatum is the guy. So I'm not mad,
and I think what he's done in terms of rehabbing,
(01:38):
in terms of coming back. Look, two hundred and ninety
eight days ago, it says that Tatum tore his achilles
and he was able to come back, and like that
is a testament to his body's Forurth thought that he
would be a year testament to his work ethic. All
of that is incredible. However, this is the thing that
I find to be fascinating is the Boston Celtics right now.
Had Jason Tatum played this entire season, you wouldn't have
(01:59):
said that they could be much better than they are
right now in terms of win losses, in terms of
standings in the East, that their second or third in
the East have been one of the best teams in
the Eastern Conference. All year. Right, maybe they're the one
seasons out of the two seed, but Jalen Brown has
second highest uses rate. He was the finals MVP last year.
He is an MVP candidate this year. Has played a
(02:21):
ton of games. Like I get that the MVP candidacy
is like the sixty five game thing, but you know
what that also means that Jalen Brown's been available and
he's been the guy. And now hearing the report from Saddano,
like Rob g just said that Jason Tatum is walking
into the starting lineup with no minutes restriction, makes it
seem that the conversation around it teams off to me
(02:42):
because the common refrain Rob has been, well, if you
can get seventy percent of Jason Tatum, the Celtics are
gonna be that much better. If you can get Jason Tatum,
he's just gonna stand in the corner and shoot threes.
If you're gonna get the Jason Tatum that's gonna be
comfortable being a role player, then everything's gonna be fine.
What I have felt about Tatum and I think if
you asked Ascent Tatum, he will tell you he has
(03:03):
no interest in being a role player. He has very's
very into his legacy in terms of he wants to
look in terms of how he deems himself. Losing the
Finals MVP or not winning the Finals MVP. I know
took a shot to him because you can see it
and when he talks to it, and this is a
guy rob to put a pin in it. He clearly
cares about NBA legacy because when he won the championship,
(03:25):
he did all of the anything is Possible, did the
Kobe picture, all of the pictures and all of the
moments that he saw from NBA legends of his childhood.
He relived them with the trophy. You're not telling me
that this guy's not coming back trying to win a
Finals MVP this year. And I think that when you
have a Batman in Robins situation like it has been
(03:47):
in Boston since the arrival of Jason Tatum and now
all of a sudden, Batman's been out for a year
and Robin has been fighting crime just as well, you know,
like that's it, and now I just think it's tough.
It can be a tough situation for everybody to come
back and be copoesthetic. With Ason Tatum coming back and
taking the exact same role that he used to have.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
I totally disagree, and I'm gonna say this, whenever you
can add talent to your team and your roster as
you try to make a chance at a climb to
try to get to an.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
NBA championship, I don't see why you wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And this is not coming back to the same team
because they got rid of a lot of veterans al Horford,
they traded Porzingis, they got rid of people, and he's
coming back and a lot of young guys.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Have been able to plug up the boat.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
And you're right, Jalen Brown should be considered for the
MVP because everybody rode off the Celtics. And even if
Tatum didn't win, he didn't win the NBA Finals MVP,
but he led the team in every step the big
major category for the NBA Finals, So he didn't win it,
(04:58):
but he was a big entry and let in every
single major category. People can look it up, so it
was weird that he didn't win it, but he was
a major factor. You always add talent. They have to
know what he feels like and they have to believe
that he can just go out there and play, and
(05:19):
he doesn't have to come in and start off the bench.
If they believe he's put in the work and he's
completely healthy to go out and start and play and
just play, then that's where they are on this. I
gotta believe that they're not going to rush the guy
out there for no reason. And you say that they
can't be better their second, they're not first. The Pistons
(05:41):
are first. The Pistons have a five game lead. I
don't know how you don't welcome back a player of
this caliber to a young team that overachieved all year.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
And now the reinforcements can come.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Now the Cavalry has come, and now they can acquiesce
and get back into like a You're like, oh, he's
gonna mess up everything.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
The game plan was him and Jalen Brown and the
other people, and now that he's back, those other players
will have to adjust around those two.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Those two players. To me a healthy.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Jason Tatum, I'm swinging away from the Knicks. I'm swinging
away from the Pistons. I'm swinging away from the Cavaliers.
I say they are the favorites to come out of
the East. If he's stay sealthy and just plays with
what they've done. So I totally understand it because the
(06:39):
only reason they lost to the Knicks. If you remember
the first two games, they blew double digits fourth quarter leads,
and they shot horrendous from three point. That can never
happen again. I don't care what basketball team you're talking about.
In the postseason, they missed seventy five out of one
hundred shots and they lost those two games to the
(07:00):
you know, lost those games to the Knicks that turn
that series around. They'll never do that again. They're the
favorites in the East with Jason Tatum. Without Jason Tatum,
they're not the favorites in the East. So I don't
know what the conversation would.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
So that's my point. It's that is the common refrain,
and I don't disagree with. Obviously, if you could add
a guy who's been fourteen first time All NBA, you should, right.
I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or
anything for the Boston Celtics. I'm saying just in terms of,
like on a basketball fit. Of course, if we're playing
video games, of course, but these are people, and Jalen
(07:34):
Brown is a guy who from my eye, it looks
like he has taken a back seat for the entirety
of his NBA career, and even when you go to
the Olympics, didn't make the Olympic team. For Jason Tatum
to go and sit on the bench, like I think
that there is a level of Jalen Brown says, I
have not gotten the amount of credit and respect in
(07:55):
this league that is worthy of a player of my stature.
And part of the reason why, all right, it's because
Jayson Tatum's right on my same team. I'm just saying
it's something to look out for, because I don't think
that the Boston Celtics now, all of a sudden, are
just the odds on favorite. I have to see Tatum
come back and be himself first before I can feel
good about that.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
I don't know, just Tatum when you think about became
just a sixth player in NBA history to lead a
team to a championship, and he led the team in points, rebounds,
and assist in the postseason. Doesn't happen all the time.
I know he didn't win the MVP, so a lot
of people want to discount it. But when you do
that and you're the sixth player all time in the
league's been around for a million years.
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Speaker 4 (09:16):
Let's go to the Lions and another loss for them,
Rob Parker.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Earlier this week we talked about it, David Montgomery was
traded out of town. Big loss for them, and now
they're set to lose another key player. Pro Bowl left
tackle Taylor Decker has requested his release from the Lions
and it has been granted. His release by the Lions.
They're calling it a cost cutting move, and just to
give you some context about what's going on there in
(09:41):
Detroit in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
This was two.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Seasons ago, so not last season. The one before they
had arguably the best offensive line in football. Don't even
was arguingly they had the best offensive line in football
since then. Star center Frank ragnow retired, Kevin Zeidler left
in free agency, left tackle Taylor Decker now released, and
they also lost a rotational guy, Graham Glasgow, who was
(10:07):
filling in an the interior offensive line. So this vaunted
Lions O line is no more. And the other thing, too,
is the Bears moves.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I said it got greater to a minus on their
trade of DJ Moore and the picks they moved up
in a pick and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Where are you on the Lions as we go forward?
Speaker 6 (10:26):
Martin?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Just trending upward downward?
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I mean, I was the one who picked them not
to make the playoffs last year. Kelvin didn't want to
hear it, but it did come true. Where are you
on the Lions? Can it be two years in the row?
Do they bounce byt I.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Think they make the playoffs this year, but it's more
a belief in the infrastructure. I believe in Dan Campbell
and Brad Holmes to be able to unless they just
had the best luck ever in their first first what
five or six drafts. I believe that they'll be able
to replace guys like this, and I know that last
year you got kind of caught off guard with Frank
(11:01):
grag Now retiring at the time that he did, and
also with Michael Parsons getting traded to the Packers at
the time that he did, because that's a major part
of your game plan when you're planning for him. And
I think they handled them the second time that they played.
The first time, he was just a game wrecker in
that first game. I'm not out on the lines, but
again it's because I think Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes,
(11:24):
when you have the right head coach and the right GM,
and I'm not convinced they have the right head coach
because I think that their window of winning a championship,
will getting to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Is gone, right, I would disagree with that. I think
it's gone.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
I think they had a great chance to do it,
and Dan Campbell was a big part on why that
didn't happen, and even after that he even said this
might be our only chance at it and I've seen
it before. The last time the Lions went to the
NFC Championship game, they went a thirty year drought before
they got back.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
That other time against the forty nine Ers.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
So I look at it more like the Philadelphia Eagles.
I think if you look at the Lions, the Eagles,
and the forty nine Ers, those are the two or
three teams in the NFC over the last five years
that have had the most the most sustained success in
the regular season, right or last three years, the most
insane success in the regular What year did the Eagles
not make the playoffs? They made the playoffs every year
(12:18):
we got smoked in the wildcard. Just ask him what
year did they not make the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Like the Lions.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
They got smoked in the wildcard in a game in
which was an embarrassment for SyRI Galen hurts right, Okay,
but if we could do that too, Like, when did
the Lions just get smoked out the playoffs? No, it
hasn't happened, all right.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So my point is that your point is.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
The Lions missed the playoffs, and you think they're going
to miss the playoffs again this year. I'm saying I
think the Lions are not going to miss the playoffs
again next year because at head coach and at GM
they got the right guys. Now you really want to
talk about the kind of the secret in the NFC North,
the quiet part, because I'm with you on the Bears.
I think the Bears also, we're right now we're talking
about the winner of the division and the second best
(12:59):
team in the division between Lions and Bears. The quiepart
allowed is there was no such thing as a seventh
seed in the NFC. The Packers would have never under
Matt lafleor I'm sorry without Aaron Rodgers. Under mattla floor
made the postseason. That seventh seed is doing a hot
lot for him, and he should.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
There's a seventh seed. I mean, it's a part of it.
I hear what you're saying. If there's only four seeds
or four seeds, then three other teams wouldn't make it.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I mean, we could get here all day about that.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
My point is simple, is that the Lions keep losing
people and the division isn't getting weaker.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
I still think the Packers are better.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
No, I do Michael Parsons, A healthy Michael Parsons for
all year I think they're better than the Lions. And
I also think obviously the Bears are better than the Lions.
And we'll see what the Vikings do if they able
to put a quarterback. Even last year with no quarterback
they won nine games. They're dying this safe, Vikings, the Vikings.
(13:55):
The Vikings are so bad. They won nine games, one
less than the Lions. And the Vikings were the ones
with the terrible JJ McCarthy who did the boogie boo
on the Lions when they went to Detroit and won
that game.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
That was the Lions season. You agree on that one.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
That game, that's when they lost the season like that,
and that was the game, and that came against the
Vikings in Detroit. So I just look at the Bears
above the Lions. I look at Green Bay above the Lions,
and Minnesota was one game different from the Lions. With
(14:34):
a bad quarterback or bad quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Guess what, They're still going to have bad quarterback and
not half the luck that they had last year. And
again you say healthy Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons isn't going
to be healthy in week one after he tore it.
Say week one, but I mean what they split with
the Packers with a healthy Michael Parsons, the Lions did.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
I just don't have the same confidence should go from
the number one seed in the NFC to not making
a playoffs. There's there's something wrong there. How did that happen?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah, we just outlined it. We just outlined it. Half
the offensive line retired. I mean the offensive line retired
right before the season started. Then you had, I mean
the celebration that with Frank Ragnan I was thinking about
coming out of retirement shows you how dire it was.
I'm not I am not disputing that the Lions had
a good year last year, all right, it's trying to
(15:26):
attempt to say that. But what I'm saying is, you've
seen the forty nine ers have it down year under
this Kyle Shanahan era, they are right back the next year.
If you believe in the Philadelphia Eagles, you saw them
have a down year. They were right back the next year.
And I think a lot of that had to do
with Saquon Barkley rushing for two thousand yards. If you
have the right people in place, you'll have it down
year or two, but then you right back where you started.
(15:48):
The rams prior to they had a down year, go
to the Super Bowl, down year, right back and compete.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
They go, we're right back, right back to the postseason.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
If they're right, that's where you said the Lions aren't
going right back to the postseason, right back.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
But the difference is I just the difference is they don't.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Have forty five years, however long of being terrible, and
you didn't come up doing your victory laps every time
the Lions lost.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
What are you talking about? I was the one who
said they weren't Why why didn't they go? Why did
people think that most people thought they'd make the playoffs
last year?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
I thought they were making ninety nine percent of the
people out there covered the NFL, I didn't think so.
I thought the loss of Ben Johnson was bigger than
people wanted to give credit to. And I think that
they're not the same team without Ben Jones. I don't
believe they're the same team, and I don't believe that
when they continue to lose pieces that it's the same
(16:41):
team that was put together and people thought maybe had
a four or five year run.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
That run, to me, is probably over.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
And if they don't make the playoffs, again this year,
then it will be officially over. And that's where I'm
leaning unless something you know, catastrophic, uh, some sort of
the terrible thing happens to the Bears or or the Packers.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
You know what I mean that I that I can't see.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Packers just aren't. The Packers are the both most mythical
team in the NFL. I do not understand anything why
people talk about the Packers. It's a year and year
out super Bowl contenders. When the last time.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Mentioned the Super Bowl, if you mentioned them going into
the I mentioned them going into the playoffs being better
than the Lion, right, and.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
So how many teams do you think? So you say
that Packers aren't super Bowl contenders?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
I didn't.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
But that's not what we're talking about now. I don't
have my super Bowl contenders because I don't know what's happening.
We don't have free agency. I don't have any of that.
I give you the pencil. The Packers in the Tope
North is a joke. I don't know about people. I'm
just talking about me.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Well do what people? Anybody who's doing it I think
is just it's just misguy. I don't I don't see
the evidence on the field to justify that.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
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Speaker 4 (17:58):
We got some breaking new What's what, mister, Steve de Seger.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 7 (18:06):
The Raiders are trading edge rusher Max Crosby to the
Baltimore Ravens for two first rounders. The one for this
year is number fourteen overall. It's not official till next week,
but certainly in place deal Raiders. Crosby to the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Back to you, all right, Steve, Thank you Martin your
first idea of take on this, because I love it.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
If I'm a Ravens fan, Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
My first take? I haven't completely digested the Ravens part
of it. My first take is I don't think a
single move the Raiders have done since Tom Brady and
John Spytech took over and have made sense, like in
a vacuum trading Max Crosby today. I understand the logic.
You can build up for next season.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
So on, and you're going to get two first round
picks right this year, next year.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
We watch teams every year ago from worse to first.
You're drafting a quarterback with the first overall pick. We
assume at this moment in time. If you're doing that,
your clock starts immediately. I don't know how it makes
you better tomorrow to trade Max Rosby, Like I don't
unless the guy you get in twenty six for that
first round pick is a stud.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
But unless there's another part of it. He didn't want
to be there.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
And you know, like Pat Roley once said when he
was coaching the Knicks, and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Either you're in or you're out.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
And once somebody's out Martin, you got to move on
from him, even though he's a great player.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
That's why I was asking. But that's why I say
the Raiders things with you, you know what I mean?
Like somebody guy.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Has the Raiders logo tattoo for life. I got it.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
But he once he asked out, and he was really
mad at the organization. You remember when they wanted to
shut him down at the end of the year and
didn't want them to play, and he went away from
the facility. All I'm saying if I'm a Ravens fan,
though I'm astatic like to get a player of that caliber.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You're serious about it, like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Team was way too good Martin to have not been
able to get to a super Bowl. Like by this point,
you got a quarterback who's a two times could have
been easily a three time MVP. All these other.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Things, and I just say a three time All pros
it is times every other everybody else got the numbers
that up, right, three time All Pro like to be
the best quarterback in football three times in his career,
to be that young, and then some of the other things.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
There's always something going wrong here.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
But but Crosby is a right that ain't a wrong,
you know, like there's always something when they lost the
game to the Steelers field goal kicker, mister field goal,
and then you remember when they lost to Buffalo, they
had a two point convergent dropped.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
You know, like a had a guy like Max Crosby.
To me when me and Robb you were talking about
this before the show, like a great pass rusher is
equivalent to a great closer in baseball. But the tricky
thing about a closer if you never are leading going
into the ninth inning. You Gonta the best one in
the world. It doesn't matter, right, And so that's why
(21:09):
I think that on its face, of course, you tell
him you're adding a top five pass rusher to a
team with Super Bowl aspirations. I said, yes, two thumbs up.
That's a good idea, rob G.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
From the Raiders perspective. Rob G, of course is our
residents Raiders fan. So just you know, you knew what
was coming, you knew what was going to be painful.
But now are you mad at it? Are you happy
because you got the first round picks? And do you
follow him to the Ravens as a fan?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Like I'm not saying you kind of call me the
bo Benson the Fox Sports radio. Oh don't you put
that out there. No, Martin is so righty cancer and
left right now. The Tom Brady era of Raiders football
has been bas It has been trash. He has been horrible.
He has no idea what he's doing as the lead
decision maker. You guys touched on it, Tom Brady. This
(22:00):
not opinion, This is factual. Look it up. Had a
personal decision. It was his decision. They ran it by him.
He hand picked. Pete Carroll fired after year one, and
we knew that was a bad high from jump Chip Kelly,
not only bringing him up from college, making him the
highest paid coordinator in football, didn't even make it through
the season. Gino Smith dumped after one season. They paid
(22:21):
him fifty eight million dollars the equivalent in one year
for Gino Smith.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
And that's after part of it too. They vetoed Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Exactly, and now you trade away you're only good player,
a guy who, to Martin's point, wanted to be a
Raider so much so he got a tattooed on his body,
so much so that when they tried to shut him
down and get the number one overall pick, he said, no,
I don't do that. I played football. I'm here to
win games. Put me out there, and they said no.
(22:51):
And now you're going to have on the heels of
last season drafting a running back in the top ten
when we have no offensive line to speak of. They're
all in now on a quarterback in Fernando Mendoza, who
most people who cover the league and are scouts and
gms if he's decatives all agree that if this was
two or three years ago, he's like the fifth quarterback.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Take it right.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
But Tom Brady sees this guy who's six' five kind
of like, me kind of an underdog just like, me
really an athletic just like. Me but he's really, smart
just like. Me he's gonna be just like. Me, no
it doesn't work like, that. Bro you Have Bill belichick
calling defense for twenty years with the top five defense every,
year go to The Super. Bowl you Have Bill belichick
still in the signs from all these teams so you
can get to The Super bowl year after. Year and
(23:32):
Now Tom brady's gonna fly in in between calling games
For fox and playing flag football with The Paul, brothers
and he's expecting us to have a winning.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
ORGANIZATION i don't get, it, man this is.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Embarrassing this would be a shorter flight that's not In
Sauid arabia. Anymore that's, right it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Bad but you talked About Max crosby's. TATTOO i Think.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
ALEX i Thought alex had A Fox Sports radio, tattoo
and THEN i realized it was just a. Birthmark so we're, okay,
yes all, Right, well how did you know.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
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Speaker 1 (24:02):
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The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe
When a group of women from all over the country realise they all dated the same prolific romance scammer they vow to bring him to justice. In this brand new season of global number 1 hit podcast, The Girlfriends, Anna Sinfield meets a group of funny, feisty, determined women who all had the misfortune of dating a mysterious man named Derek Alldred. Trust Me Babe is a story about the protective forces of gossip, gut instinct, and trusting your besties and the group of women who took matters into their own hands to take down a fraudster when no one else would listen. If you’re affected by any of the themes in this show, our charity partners NO MORE have available resources at https://www.nomore.org. To learn more about romance scams, and to access specialised support, visit https://fightcybercrime.org/ The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe is produced by Novel for iHeartPodcasts. For more from Novel, visit https://novel.audio/. You can listen to new episodes of The Girlfriends: Trust Me Babe completely ad-free and 1 week early with an iHeart True Crime+ subscription, available exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Open your Apple Podcasts app, search for “iHeart True Crime+, and subscribe today!