April 7, 2026 • 30 mins
Rob and Kelvin tell us if the Michigan Fab Five will be remembered more fondly than the Michigan ‘mercenaries’ who just won the national championship, discuss whether Giannis Antetokounmpo is really as committed to the Milwaukee Bucks as he claims to be, and explain why Doc Rivers is one of the biggest underachievers in NBA coaching history.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There was a college basketball championship decided last night.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, there was. The Michigan Wolverines put.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
An exclamation point on the most dominant college basketball seasons
in nineteen ninety seven. They cut down the nets yesterday
in a big win over Yukon. They win going away
there at the end, and of course we mentioned yesterday
a big talking point coming into the game is that
Michigan is loaded with transfers. Four of their five, well
all five are transfers before them were transferred from this
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past cycle.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
So all the new.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Players and they're keenly aware of the narrative around them.
Take a listen to Yaxel Lendenberg after the game.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
When people talk about this Michigan team, this Michigan championship team,
what will they say about you guys, how will you
be remembered?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And man, they might still be calling those mercenaries and
we're the hardest player team in national basketball. We're the
best team in college basketball, and we want to be
one of the greats ever.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Well, I mean, they absolutely prove that they are the
best team in college basketball this year. They are the
best team this season and one of you know, for them,
they're gonna be champions forever. If somebody like me who
grew up in that Aubrey, it was awesome to see
they kind of have the same field though for exercise. Well, hey,
I'm a little older, so you know, when you're I'm
twelve thirteen, the five five, they still was a little
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different though, But now that's why I'm getting to So
that's the difference. They were brought in as mercenaries. Hey,
there's reports that london Berg was paid somewhere between seven
and nine million what he turned down to go to Kentucky.
Dang seven to nine million dollars out, Let me tell
you what I would be.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I would be a seven year senior if.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I can mess around and make that kind of money
and stick around and go to another school. But it
is amazing feeling for them. It's amazing for the school,
it's amazing for people who love Michigan. But when we're
having this conversation of kind of what we'll more enduring,
more long lasting, and that's where we talk about the
Fab Five.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's just for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Number One, the Fab Five had a connection to the
state of Michigan. Half of their starting lineup was for Michigan.
Chris Webber, you had Jalen Rose down the road in Chicago,
was Juan Howard, a couple other you know, you had
Texas in there as well. That was a huge thing, right,
You got the best player in all of high school
Chris Webber comes stays home and goes to Michigan. So
that made it a big deal as well as one
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of the best players in all the country in Jalen Rose.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know this because you interviewed him.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Hung around on Perry Watson was a high school at Southwestern.
He was a big time high school coach who brought
they brought to Michigan. So there's a lot of connection
to the local, to city to Detroit. And then also
you crew with the Fab Five, right they were freshmen,
they were the fabulous five, these fab five freshmen, and
then the next year they're all sophomores. They go to
a championship the first year, they go to a championship
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the second year, and they lose the first year, to
get beat down by Duke, and then they bounced back
the next year getting a championship again. You went along
with that ride. She said, what could they be next year.
Let's see how they'll be next to men. They're gonna
go through the bumps and bruises, they're gonna grow, they're
gonna get better. And they did to the tune to
get into it again. They lost again, but you did
that ride with them, Chris weber Lee just still got
four of them that stick around, so you felt them.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Not.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Of course, the cultural stuff bringing hip hop to a
whole different level with it, the baggy shorts, the black shoes,
the black socks, the bald heads, the way they were themselves,
the way they you know, they brought up cultural conversations
because people were some people calling them hoodlums and thugs,
other people totally understanding and appreciate these are just some
young black kids in America having a great time some
of the best years of their life, so those things
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will make you remember them and make them more memorable
than this team. This team has nothing to be shamed about.
This is the way the current state is. As Dusty
May said, this is these are the rules, this is
the way the game is played. They played it to
the best of anybody in the country, but it won't
be as memorable. And that's why it almost felt like
they exercise the demons for the Fab five, for the
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Trey Burke team in twenty thirteen and that twenty eighteen team.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I think they will exercise anything for the Fab five
because that's a mythical in your mind. You're still romanticizing
about that about that era, if you want to be honest,
it's the most disappointing era in Michigan basketball when you
really think about it. A that they did have two
cracks at it, right, they did not win either one
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With those talented players, three who had significant careers in
the NBA number two, they didn't even win a Big
Ten title. Nothing about them was winning, which is the
sad part. And I think people still romanticize the about
everything else in the friend stuff, which is fine, and
I get that at that point, but when you look
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back at it. It is about winning, like they could
have cemented themselves really as something that was special because
even like UNLV, they got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You know, they were able to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So you can say whatever you want about Tarkanian and
what went on there, but they did win, you know
what I mean. And I think that's the part about Michigan.
And people love to romanticize about the Fab five and
all the other stuff, but when you really think about it,
they leave you hollow, they leave you missing something. Yeah,
(05:36):
it's cool to get the band back together, but they
never had a number one hit.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They're not the Beatles. They're not. So that's why I disagree.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, I'm just telling I'm giving you like I hear
your affection for them, but they're not the Beatles, as
much as you want to make it and say, oh, yeah,
well they did this and they did that. You know,
the Fab five is more like Milli Vanilli than they are.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
No miss more. I would not I would not let
that right. You have a you have have a home
and in a barber shop in Detroit. I want you
to be able to go back to Michigan if you
don't stop it. The first of all, No Mob five
is more like than the Beatles.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
First of all, Million Vanilli.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
They had albums and guess what got big number one hits.
But but then eventually they what happened? They got them taken,
just like the Fab five had their banners taken.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You about to take these right now? You about to
take these. Listen to this now?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh you hurt now now because because because alcohol, many
teams put alcohol of that guy.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
How many teams have won championships? We don't even barely remember.
You don't remember nothing about them. Tell me something about
that the Chris Jenkins at a shot? You remember nothing
about To give me that Kansas Mario Chalmers at a shot?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What else about that team? It's about?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You don't know Mario Chalmers, Chris Jenkins made massive shots.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But what I'm saying is you can even in defeat.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
There are a handful of times where a handful of
people in life or a handful of artists who have
changed the world, even if they didn't win the top thing,
and they are that They might not have won it,
but they absolutely changed culture, absolutely meant more, and absolutely
are a last sea and lasting mart.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
If you're a.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Sports fan, what you're talking about. I get it, and
it resonates with you. But if you're a sports fan,
there's something missing. That fast Grade five should have been
something for the ages. So there's always this WinCE about,
well they had to take the back because your people
are still talking about they should put the banners back.
The banners aren't even up like this is supposedly this
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team and the memory that it has of what they
were able to accomplish, But even the banners are not.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
There's a there's a tarnish there. They had to rip
between them. There's all kinds of other stuff there.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
If you're reading it from a technicality standpoint, yes, no
one else agrees with that. So reason why they were
just on a March Madness telecast for the Final four,
because of how name another group that did that. Name
all the champions that had a Final four preview, not
a quick interview, Hey we're here with you, and they're
on the court side.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
They had their own telegram.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But that's but a lot of that, a lot of
that has to do with what I just told you
is a that that to me is a bigger indictment
of the Fab five because they had three big star
stars who went to the NBA Okay off the same squad,
So that's why they get it. And three and two
of them are we're on television and do and did
(08:31):
big things on television. So they already had that personality right, Like,
like their profile was high because of Jalen Rose and
Chris Webber. Chris Webber is a Hall of Famer and
the Basketball Hall of Fame. There's all these accolades, everything,
except when you hold the bag, there's a hole at
the bottom and there's nothing in it.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That's what I'm saying. That's absolutely a bunch of stuff.
And that's what I keep trying to tell you is
you can absolutely have people who love you, who adore you,
and you got and you meant more than just a
championship you want to win. And I'm sure they go
to bed at night still, man. But the idea that
there's a hole in the bag, there's a whole, a big.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Hole, I don't agree with that. They didn't get the bag.
It's got a hole in.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
It, and they they shouldn't have. They should have won
one of those without a doubt. But but again to
the to the whole point, I think that's why they're
long lasting. All that they what they meant, what they
what they symbolized, and what they brought to the bass,
college basketball as a hole, and really the NBA and
really pop culture in America as a whole.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It was beyond. That's when you know it's big.
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Speaker 4 (10:16):
Speaking of changing culture, Yannis sounds like he want a
culture shift in Milwaukee. If he's gonna stay now, Yannis,
the will he or won't he? Request the trade has
taken yet another turn on the same day that ESPN
is a full expose. And you know what's going on
in Milwaukee, how unsatisfied he is with the front office.
How Doc Rivers is over here saying blasphoem his stuff
(10:38):
at team meetings. Coincidentally, we'll get into that later. Jannis
did a exclusive interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I like him already, give the hometown good on him,
you know what I mean? Like seriously, that's who he
should be given an exclusive story to, not to a national.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Outlet and.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Nickel forgetting the exclusive. Yes, we'll put the name on
a local paper, right, Yes, I like that. And during
the conversation, Laurie asked Giannis if he saw a path
for Hi himself to come back and stay on Milwaukee.
So Giannis's credit answered quickly without hesitation, one hundred percent. Yes, yes,
And he goes on and says later, I want to
(11:22):
be here, I want to be with my team. I
want to win here again. This is my home. I've
spent more years here than I did in Greece. It
is my home. It's I want to help the community
with my wife and my brothers as long as it's
great organized basketball and the team's willing to play selfless basketball,
chase the same goal as bigger than themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I will be here.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And I've I've told you old time and time again.
He ain't going nowhere. I've said this to you because
he's a different guy. And if he really wanted out
of there, and and and I know people have come
up with I remember what was it the year that
they got swept by Miami and Miami wound up going
to the championship?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That ye was that in the bubble too? Was that
in the That was in the bubble? Right? Because there
was a second time they went right twenty two, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And everybody that was when he everybody said that you
should go to Miami.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You remember that, like go to Miami and blah blah
blah blah blah, and don't stay in Milwaukee. He signed
an extension.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You're dumb, you're crazy, whatever, you'll never win. Everybody pointed
a finger, and you'll never win in Milwaukee. And guess what,
he wound up winning a championship. He's a made man.
He's comfortable. He's not don't I don't see him as
trying to be a ring chaser. He's never going to
be the greatest, considered the greatest of all, you know
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what I mean, none of that's on the table for him.
So and they did, They've done everything that he's they
asked them. They went and got Damian Lillard and gave
up everything that they could right to bring him in.
They did it, and they got Drew Holliday for him.
Like they've gone out and said, hey, what do you need?
What are we trying to do here? And even when
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that conversation about going to the Knicks and all that,
I just I don't feel that with him. I really believe,
even though you know, maybe the outside people and maybe
some tweets that people read into, if he really didn't
want to be there, it just take two seconds because
because if you're the front office and you're the general
manager ownership and he says I don't want to be
(13:23):
here anymore, that dude won you a championship. He's amazed,
Like even the people there got to respect that. And
you don't want to do that to somebody who doesn't
really want to beat there anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, they said it.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Sean's reported that they had some meeting or gentlemen agreement
a couple of years back where they basically said, you know,
look if there's a point. When they did his extension
until twenty three, I believe it was they said, hey,
look when you if it gets to the point where
you know, let us know what just if it will
do what's best for you, Like you said, want us
a ring. You've been great to us. So and that
happens in sports, which I think is pretty cool. But
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this is why Rob and I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You're wrong, but you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
What I mean is I think he didn't want to leave,
but I think what he wants is it to be perfect.
I want to have this player, this coach, this thing,
these guys, these backup guys on the bench, this system.
They got to work hard like me, and that's just
not sports. And so what happens is when he looks
up and it's not happening the way he wants, then
he starts hinting that stuff I want.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't want.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I don't want Adriane Griffin, who was performing me well
as a coach. I want Doc Rivers. We'll get into
that next hour. How that's been going. And now, okay,
but this isn't working. I want Damian Lillard. Well, they
were the conversation where they can't work together. Something's going on.
They got a little rift there. We don't know what's up.
So it seems like it keeps being something that he's
not happy about. And then he hints and he says things,
(14:43):
and he does he insinuates things. Then he pulls his
hands back right, And that's the issue I have with it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's okay to want to leave.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
You've earned it because everything you just said, he is
a made man. He has given it is all. He
has been there so long. He has brought joy to
the city. It's it's okay. And what happens rob you
know this anybody watching on YouTube, listen on the air.
When you stay in a relationship that is starting to
get a little weird, you starting to look out the door.
He's looking at the door, she's looking at the door.
(15:12):
They looking out the door. It gets weird. It's almost
become to the point where it becomes you can't it
can't fix it. And I think they've gotten to where
their philosophy is and their foundation changes. In a relationship,
you can have a little few things. That's a part
of life. Some rough patches any relationship, but the foundation
is typically the same. Right, your morals, your beliefs, your approach,
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and the Bucks are showing our morals and our approach
is different than what you want. Our foundation has changed.
You're still wanting to play this season, you ain't playing again.
So now he's ready to get some courts involved in
the NBA involved because they're saying you ain't playing again
for him, that's it for him. That is offensive. I'm healthy.
I'm playing for them, Nah, bruh. Were trying to get
(15:54):
these lottery chips up, get a chance to win a
great pick and help build this thing. And I just
think Alter, it's gonna be where they're gonna trade him somewhere,
get the best offer they can get. Apparently it was
in Miami. They gave him Tyler Hero, a couple other
players and a bunch of picks. But they say we
can get something bigger from the other eleven teams that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'm telling you, he's not going anywhere. He's gone this summer.
What do you what do we want to bet on that?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I want your hair to go all black? That's what
I get that black beard or black hair or both
can't do it, can't do it what you want? No,
I'll just just say no, no, fifty wings, all right,
he's bet ten wings borsus the hair.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
No, it's not the hair I want. I'm not dying
my hair.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I just think, Rob, there's a point when we are
just passing an organization.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We want to blow this thing up.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But I think, because what's the point, let me ask
you a real question here, Gianna saloon with a solid player,
because the reports are he's like, oh Miles Turner, No, bru,
it's not your fault. You I've been hurt. You're good,
Doc Rivers yelling him you ain't man. Good Kyle Kuzmana,
I like you. My question is a similar type of
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team with the healthy honest, are they doing anything realistically?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No? But but but again, but he wants to win.
I'm only saying that because I get what you're saying.
He's made man.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He is my obsession with winning, my obsession. But she
literally said this.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
He should want to win with that under any circumstances, like,
that's why you should play. Though when you play, you're
not trying to like play out your contract. You're a
young guy like he's not old. I'm not just here
to play out your contract. It's the same thing like
Steph Curry, Like despite all the winning and all that
and everything that he's done, he ain't just playing just
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to be playing, you know what I mean? Like there's
a degree you should always feel like like you want
to win.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We got a chance if I minute, we got a change,
but that I don't feel like that will honest, And
I don't feel like Milwaukee can get the free agents
that they would need to actually be able to compete
with the Thunder, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But should but he should never. But he should never
feel that way, is what I'm saying about him.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
But we've seen him and he doesn't go anywhere in
the playoffs except for that he got the ring.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's what he's comfortable. He's comfortable. Yeah, but you act
like it's not a big deal, not.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
To know what I'm saying. I'm using his words. He's
obsessed with winning. I want to be like Kobe Bryant
and Lebron and Steph Curry. I'm telling you these are
his own words and they have rustle rings. I want
obsessed with winning. And other people. They say, it's not
about talent. It's a pession what he said just recently.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But the difference is he had a chance to say, yeah,
maybe my time has come and gone here in Milwaukee,
or not do the interview, or not.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Make that comment. You know what I'm saying. He had
every right to just say I'd rather not talk about that,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (18:42):
And why does he keep talking hinting and other things?
Because why was the New York Knicks a real thing
last summer? Why does he keep saying, and I'm using
his words, I'm a baddie. It does feel good to
be wanted. Everybody want me and me Courton, I'm a baddie.
He said everything.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But but the only problem is if he really wanted to,
he could easily, like you just said that already when
he signed that extension.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So the idea that he hasn't gone to him and
said get me out.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Of here tells me this summer they're gonna say, we
love you, brother, but it's time to break up. The
relationship is just time to move on.
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Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, along with that, I was gonna say, rob you
can you google it? That's all we want to know.
Google that song? Yeah, google that song.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, I'll google a lot of things today, one of
them being the resume of one Glenn doc Rivers.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like Robbie, I saw him coming to the fast break.
It was like Blake Griffin, except you didn't win that.
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Speaking at Glen Rivers, he also coached that team didn't
win nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Dark Rivers.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
In case you guys missed it was part of a
long form expos by DESPN today where they discussed everything
that's gone wrong with the Milwaukee Bucks this season, even
going back to last season. There's a lot of turmoil.
Janni is willy, you're won't he won't he go? The
front office in him are at odds. The roster is
burried of talent. Doc Rivers is doing doc Rivers things.
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And one of the things that sham Sharanya included in
his story, got to make sure I stress this point.
Spoke to six people who were in the room at
the time this happened, not one, not two, another six people.
So you know, everybody was upset about what Doc Rivers
said during a team meeting that they had earlier this year.
According to Shams, at a March one team meeting, Doc
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Rivers told his players to google him and look up
his resume, and according to Shams, the exact quote he
used was, I took teams to the playoffs and to
the championship that weren't supposed to. I thought this was
one of them. Either you're with us or you're against us.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
If I got to google you resume like that and
you're talking to me like that and saying it with
the chest, you ain't all that. I ain't got to
google Phil Jackson, pat Riley, some of the greats, Greg Popovich,
you know what?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Because I know and if I got a Google, Hey,
if you google me, are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
All right? So then let's take it the next step further. Well,
let's actually google him. Okay, let's do that. He is
the only coaching league history Rob Parker to blow multiple
three to one leads in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I ain't done googling.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
His teams have also blown five three two leads, one
two oer lead, and has lost Game seven at home
four different times. So you're talking about it, you're talking
about google me. We did, and it was one of
those things you should have said, don't google.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Me, because then we can at least all man.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought, or maybe
you know what, or maybe I'm overreacting.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Maybe he was better than I thought he was.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Then you hit Google and you say, well, you know what, No,
I'm not crazy. What team did he have? Rob Parker
that they took far that we didn't expect anything from
Kevin Garnet, Paul Piers Ray Allen in Rondo. I have
no idea what team that might be, what's supposed to
be in those title games, you could argue you should
have won maybe one more. Those Clipper teams were, like
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we talk about all the time, wearing sexy picks. Everybody
was picking every year for what a four or five year. Oh,
this is the year they get it done.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This is the year they gave you right because they
should have because they had a squad Prince.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Paul Dean, j Jordan Blake, Griffin, Jamal Craft for JJ
Reddick and then depending on the era, Matt Barnes is
a good defensive player, small forward. But to all these
guys so you can say they underachieved. You could have
had Tim Duncan if you let his daddy on.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
The plane, girlfriend on the plane, wife or whoever is
lady lad, Come on, doc, had a dad, got a
fine career like nothing you had, fine, but that's not elevated.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And you and I already talked about him being in
a Hall.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Of famous crazy and so to say, google me and
and then I'll fine, I will google you, and I
see all of this, stop it, and this has been
an underachieving team. Look at the players he had, Tracey McGrady,
Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnet, Rondo Rayel and Chris Paul Blake,
Kawhi Leon or Paul George, joellenb James Harden, Giannis under
the couple, Jamian Lillard, Grant Hill.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
One ring out all that, Rogie, stop it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think what you said earlier is probably the best
point that if you have to tell people of Google
you are not one of those guys, because it's just
the idea that you would have to say that.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I think teams make a big mistake.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm gonna say this as someone's covered sports for a
long time, before you get into the building of any team.
Everybody should have mandatory shit down. Watch this video and
tell people who everybody is and you know what I
mean and why they're in the building. I don't understand
(23:56):
like you've had. Like I've told you before with Shaq,
was asking who was it? Oh my god, I just forgot.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What position she was?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
A coach who won a championship with the with Seattle.
I'm gonna just he passed away. Oh my god, I'm
mis forgetting. But but my point is I'll get Lenny
Lenny Wilkins. He asked Lenny Wilkins once, Hey, coach, you
know a lot about basketball. Did you ever play? Lenny
Wilkins is on the top fifty of all time? Do
you understand what I'm saying? Like that should never happen
because there should be a video Lenny woke, right or
(24:30):
this guy who you see, this old guy walking around
in the building who was coming over and talked to you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You should know what he did in basketball. You know
his career.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But my point is, in the case of Doc Rivers,
no telling people to google you and act like you
know they should know because of all the successes and
look at what you were able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
When you look at his whole.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Career under it, he underachieved for the type of players
that he had, the players that he had, the situations
that he had. And then it's one thing if you
don't have if you were never up three to one
because your team wasn't that good. No, no, no, you
had three to one leads, which told you you had
(25:13):
we were pretty damn good, am I right?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
With multiple teams too, right organizations, and it just told
you that you didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Have the waywithal right, or the strength or the fortitude
to close out those series. We talked about it even
when they lost. Remember we were watching and they blew
that big lead. We couldn't believe it. Remember that we
sat here, We're like, wait a minute, they were just
they were up by twenty and we looked in the score.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That was when the Pacers last year. We couldn't even
believe it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So, Doc, I'm sorry, no, google me and find out
about his career.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
If you're saying that, it tells us all we really
need to know.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And he should be not saying google me, because when
you google him, you get the facts. You're like, oh,
at least because you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You could have been riding off to maybe he was
you know he went to well, at least we know
he won a champion.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, you can lean more on that, like, dang, you
know what, maybe there were some injuries something you could
get because your head. I remember Lot City was fun.
But when you do the deep dive, You're like, oh,
wait a minute. I would have expected more from you.
I would have expected another title at least with you,
and and and please remind me of this team that
was so terrible that you went far with because expectator.
(26:29):
You go to Philly with all that talent they had,
nothing happened. You go to Milwaukee with a prime Giannis,
nothing happened. He had selected you. They let Adrian Griffin go.
You had prime Chris Paul Blake Griffin before all the injuries.
JJ read to getting threes all over the place, Jamal
Crawford want the best, get me a bucket. Guys of
all time, DeAndre Jordan and Is Apex. Nothing happened from that.
(26:54):
Up against the Warriors, up against Houston, Like, remind me
what I'm missing. You lose four game sevens at home,
bro at home?
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Can you split and you know what I mean, Like
even if you like you'd be like, I'll take the
split you lose four, Come on, that's mind boggling. So yeah,
I just like especially the end of his career, like
the second Like, like you're talking about winning a championship
in two thousand and eight. We're in twenty twenty six,
(27:24):
are you kidding? Like the last portion of this, And
that was the.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
First third of his career, right, So if you're breaking
it in the thirds, the second third was underwhelming because
you wanted more from those you know, those Clippers teams
and all of that, and then these last teams with
these clipperly and Philly like the late Clippers Philly Bucks.
It ain't it either. So I'm just maybe I'm tripping,
(27:49):
rob g. You know sometimes you like to straighten us
up a little bit. Make are we missing something with Doc?
I'm not even trying to, like I'm really asking, am
I missing?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
No, y'all are under selling it, to be honest with you,
Like you guys I think are even being nice about it.
Doc Rivers is going to go down, at least in
my lifetime as the most overrated, over hyped, overproduced, over
glorified coach in any sport period because when you guys,
(28:16):
when when you mentioned just the guys that he's worked with, well.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wait a minute, you just mentioned football, right, who are
bringing up.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Kyle? I just gotta right, Kyle shan has blown Can
you say that? Rob? And he hasn't won anything?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And I'll put ahead because he he had three chances
to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
One is a coordinator and two us ahead. That is fair.
That's fair. My disagree, but it's fair. I'm totally fair.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
My push back to that is Kyle Shanahan has never
had the kind of talent and especially in a sport
like football versus basketball, where two guys can totally transform
a whole basketball team and.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Not with football. I get it, I get it, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But here's the only thing is that he was there
like you can't. It wasn't like he didn't have the
talent and they never got there like he was in
two Super Bowls leading by ten points to start the
listening that you know what I'm saying, Like he just
couldn't fit get the job finished.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
But anyway, but is Kyle Shanahan going to be a
shoe into the Hall of Fame? The way Doc Rivers
was no, no, and that's the issue that he has
been eating off of one champ not just him, the
entire eight Celtics are eating off of one championship in
a way that I can't remember any other team doing.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
But at least with them, like Kevin Garnett is still
a top depending where you want to, you know, play
them twenty players. Like my point is, at least KG
can talk that talk.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're gonna say this and you're talking about eating off
of one championship. That two thousand and four team can
eat off of it because they didn't have those players,
Like am I right?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
That team but big back and I agree with you
if they team shouldn't be them, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
None of those guys are getting the same kind of
love that that these pisss like Kendrick Perkins has one
of the cushiest jobs in ESPN television period because he
was the fifth guy on that team. Eddie House, We
love Eddie House. Edi House is a friend of ours.
Eddie House is a play for seven different teams, but
he does Celtics TV because he was.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
On the A team.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You know what I mean, Paul Pierce before he won
that championship was no, He's a really good player, but
round for one and done. Him and Antoine Walker can't
quite get it done. Other than KG and Ray Allen,
all of those guys entire legacy is tied to one team.
I don't get it.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Rob g.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There was a college basketball championship decided last night.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, there was. The Michigan Wolverines put.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
An exclamation point on the most dominant college basketball seasons
in nineteen ninety seven. They cut down the nets yesterday
in a big win over Yukon. They win going away
there at the end, and of course we mentioned yesterday
a big talking point coming into the game is that
Michigan is loaded with transfers. Four of their five, well
all five are transfers before them were transferred from this
(00:55):
past cycle.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
So all the new.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Players and they're keenly aware of the narrative around them.
Take a listen to Yaxel Lendenberg after the game.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
When people talk about this Michigan team, this Michigan championship team,
what will they say about you guys, how will you
be remembered?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And man, they might still be calling those mercenaries and
we're the hardest player team in national basketball. We're the
best team in college basketball, and we want to be
one of the greats ever.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Well, I mean, they absolutely prove that they are the
best team in college basketball this year. They are the
best team this season and one of you know, for them,
they're gonna be champions forever. If somebody like me who
grew up in that Aubrey, it was awesome to see
they kind of have the same field though for exercise. Well, hey,
I'm a little older, so you know, when you're I'm
twelve thirteen, the five five, they still was a little
(01:47):
different though, But now that's why I'm getting to So
that's the difference. They were brought in as mercenaries. Hey,
there's reports that london Berg was paid somewhere between seven
and nine million what he turned down to go to Kentucky.
Dang seven to nine million dollars out, Let me tell
you what I would be.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I would be a seven year senior if.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
I can mess around and make that kind of money
and stick around and go to another school. But it
is amazing feeling for them. It's amazing for the school,
it's amazing for people who love Michigan. But when we're
having this conversation of kind of what we'll more enduring,
more long lasting, and that's where we talk about the
Fab Five.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And it's just for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Number One, the Fab Five had a connection to the
state of Michigan. Half of their starting lineup was for Michigan.
Chris Webber, you had Jalen Rose down the road in Chicago,
was Juan Howard, a couple other you know, you had
Texas in there as well. That was a huge thing, right,
You got the best player in all of high school
Chris Webber comes stays home and goes to Michigan. So
that made it a big deal as well as one
(02:50):
of the best players in all the country in Jalen Rose.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know this because you interviewed him.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
Hung around on Perry Watson was a high school at Southwestern.
He was a big time high school coach who brought
they brought to Michigan. So there's a lot of connection
to the local, to city to Detroit. And then also
you crew with the Fab Five, right they were freshmen,
they were the fabulous five, these fab five freshmen, and
then the next year they're all sophomores. They go to
a championship the first year, they go to a championship
(03:15):
the second year, and they lose the first year, to
get beat down by Duke, and then they bounced back
the next year getting a championship again. You went along
with that ride. She said, what could they be next year.
Let's see how they'll be next to men. They're gonna
go through the bumps and bruises, they're gonna grow, they're
gonna get better. And they did to the tune to
get into it again. They lost again, but you did
that ride with them, Chris weber Lee just still got
four of them that stick around, so you felt them.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Not.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
Of course, the cultural stuff bringing hip hop to a
whole different level with it, the baggy shorts, the black shoes,
the black socks, the bald heads, the way they were themselves,
the way they you know, they brought up cultural conversations
because people were some people calling them hoodlums and thugs,
other people totally understanding and appreciate these are just some
young black kids in America having a great time some
of the best years of their life, so those things
(03:59):
will make you remember them and make them more memorable
than this team. This team has nothing to be shamed about.
This is the way the current state is. As Dusty
May said, this is these are the rules, this is
the way the game is played. They played it to
the best of anybody in the country, but it won't
be as memorable. And that's why it almost felt like
they exercise the demons for the Fab five, for the
(04:20):
Trey Burke team in twenty thirteen and that twenty eighteen team.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I think they will exercise anything for the Fab five
because that's a mythical in your mind. You're still romanticizing
about that about that era, if you want to be honest,
it's the most disappointing era in Michigan basketball when you
really think about it. A that they did have two
cracks at it, right, they did not win either one
(04:44):
With those talented players, three who had significant careers in
the NBA number two, they didn't even win a Big
Ten title. Nothing about them was winning, which is the
sad part. And I think people still romanticize the about
everything else in the friend stuff, which is fine, and
I get that at that point, but when you look
(05:05):
back at it. It is about winning, like they could
have cemented themselves really as something that was special because
even like UNLV, they got it done.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You know, they were able to win a championship.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
So you can say whatever you want about Tarkanian and
what went on there, but they did win, you know
what I mean. And I think that's the part about Michigan.
And people love to romanticize about the Fab five and
all the other stuff, but when you really think about it,
they leave you hollow, they leave you missing something. Yeah,
(05:36):
it's cool to get the band back together, but they
never had a number one hit.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
They're not the Beatles. They're not. So that's why I disagree.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
No, I'm just telling I'm giving you like I hear
your affection for them, but they're not the Beatles, as
much as you want to make it and say, oh, yeah,
well they did this and they did that. You know,
the Fab five is more like Milli Vanilli than they are.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
No miss more. I would not I would not let
that right. You have a you have have a home
and in a barber shop in Detroit. I want you
to be able to go back to Michigan if you
don't stop it. The first of all, No Mob five
is more like than the Beatles.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
First of all, Million Vanilli.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
They had albums and guess what got big number one hits.
But but then eventually they what happened? They got them taken,
just like the Fab five had their banners taken.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
You about to take these right now? You about to
take these. Listen to this now?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh you hurt now now because because because alcohol, many
teams put alcohol of that guy.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
How many teams have won championships? We don't even barely remember.
You don't remember nothing about them. Tell me something about
that the Chris Jenkins at a shot? You remember nothing
about To give me that Kansas Mario Chalmers at a shot?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
What else about that team? It's about?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
You don't know Mario Chalmers, Chris Jenkins made massive shots.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But what I'm saying is you can even in defeat.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
There are a handful of times where a handful of
people in life or a handful of artists who have
changed the world, even if they didn't win the top thing,
and they are that They might not have won it,
but they absolutely changed culture, absolutely meant more, and absolutely
are a last sea and lasting mart.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
If you're a.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Sports fan, what you're talking about. I get it, and
it resonates with you. But if you're a sports fan,
there's something missing. That fast Grade five should have been
something for the ages. So there's always this WinCE about,
well they had to take the back because your people
are still talking about they should put the banners back.
The banners aren't even up like this is supposedly this
(07:40):
team and the memory that it has of what they
were able to accomplish, But even the banners are not.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
There's a there's a tarnish there. They had to rip
between them. There's all kinds of other stuff there.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
If you're reading it from a technicality standpoint, yes, no
one else agrees with that. So reason why they were
just on a March Madness telecast for the Final four,
because of how name another group that did that. Name
all the champions that had a Final four preview, not
a quick interview, Hey we're here with you, and they're
on the court side.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
They had their own telegram.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But that's but a lot of that, a lot of
that has to do with what I just told you
is a that that to me is a bigger indictment
of the Fab five because they had three big star
stars who went to the NBA Okay off the same squad,
So that's why they get it. And three and two
of them are we're on television and do and did
(08:31):
big things on television. So they already had that personality right, Like,
like their profile was high because of Jalen Rose and
Chris Webber. Chris Webber is a Hall of Famer and
the Basketball Hall of Fame. There's all these accolades, everything,
except when you hold the bag, there's a hole at
the bottom and there's nothing in it.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
That's what I'm saying. That's absolutely a bunch of stuff.
And that's what I keep trying to tell you is
you can absolutely have people who love you, who adore you,
and you got and you meant more than just a
championship you want to win. And I'm sure they go
to bed at night still, man. But the idea that
there's a hole in the bag, there's a whole, a big.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Hole, I don't agree with that. They didn't get the bag.
It's got a hole in.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
It, and they they shouldn't have. They should have won
one of those without a doubt. But but again to
the to the whole point, I think that's why they're
long lasting. All that they what they meant, what they
what they symbolized, and what they brought to the bass,
college basketball as a hole, and really the NBA and
really pop culture in America as a whole.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It was beyond. That's when you know it's big.
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Speaker 4 (10:16):
Speaking of changing culture, Yannis sounds like he want a
culture shift in Milwaukee. If he's gonna stay now, Yannis,
the will he or won't he? Request the trade has
taken yet another turn on the same day that ESPN
is a full expose. And you know what's going on
in Milwaukee, how unsatisfied he is with the front office.
How Doc Rivers is over here saying blasphoem his stuff
(10:38):
at team meetings. Coincidentally, we'll get into that later. Jannis
did a exclusive interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I like him already, give the hometown good on him,
you know what I mean? Like seriously, that's who he
should be given an exclusive story to, not to a national.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Outlet and.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Nickel forgetting the exclusive. Yes, we'll put the name on
a local paper, right, Yes, I like that. And during
the conversation, Laurie asked Giannis if he saw a path
for Hi himself to come back and stay on Milwaukee.
So Giannis's credit answered quickly without hesitation, one hundred percent. Yes, yes,
And he goes on and says later, I want to
(11:22):
be here, I want to be with my team. I
want to win here again. This is my home. I've
spent more years here than I did in Greece. It
is my home. It's I want to help the community
with my wife and my brothers as long as it's
great organized basketball and the team's willing to play selfless basketball,
chase the same goal as bigger than themselves.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I will be here.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And I've I've told you old time and time again.
He ain't going nowhere. I've said this to you because
he's a different guy. And if he really wanted out
of there, and and and I know people have come
up with I remember what was it the year that
they got swept by Miami and Miami wound up going
to the championship?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
That ye was that in the bubble too? Was that
in the That was in the bubble? Right? Because there
was a second time they went right twenty two, okay.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And everybody that was when he everybody said that you
should go to Miami.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You remember that, like go to Miami and blah blah
blah blah blah, and don't stay in Milwaukee. He signed
an extension.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You're dumb, you're crazy, whatever, you'll never win. Everybody pointed
a finger, and you'll never win in Milwaukee. And guess what,
he wound up winning a championship. He's a made man.
He's comfortable. He's not don't I don't see him as
trying to be a ring chaser. He's never going to
be the greatest, considered the greatest of all, you know
(12:40):
what I mean, none of that's on the table for him.
So and they did, They've done everything that he's they
asked them. They went and got Damian Lillard and gave
up everything that they could right to bring him in.
They did it, and they got Drew Holliday for him.
Like they've gone out and said, hey, what do you need?
What are we trying to do here? And even when
(13:02):
that conversation about going to the Knicks and all that,
I just I don't feel that with him. I really believe,
even though you know, maybe the outside people and maybe
some tweets that people read into, if he really didn't
want to be there, it just take two seconds because
because if you're the front office and you're the general
manager ownership and he says I don't want to be
(13:23):
here anymore, that dude won you a championship. He's amazed,
Like even the people there got to respect that. And
you don't want to do that to somebody who doesn't
really want to beat there anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, they said it.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Sean's reported that they had some meeting or gentlemen agreement
a couple of years back where they basically said, you know,
look if there's a point. When they did his extension
until twenty three, I believe it was they said, hey,
look when you if it gets to the point where
you know, let us know what just if it will
do what's best for you, Like you said, want us
a ring. You've been great to us. So and that
happens in sports, which I think is pretty cool. But
(13:56):
this is why Rob and I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You're wrong, but you're wrong.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
What I mean is I think he didn't want to leave,
but I think what he wants is it to be perfect.
I want to have this player, this coach, this thing,
these guys, these backup guys on the bench, this system.
They got to work hard like me, and that's just
not sports. And so what happens is when he looks
up and it's not happening the way he wants, then
he starts hinting that stuff I want.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I don't want.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I don't want Adriane Griffin, who was performing me well
as a coach. I want Doc Rivers. We'll get into
that next hour. How that's been going. And now, okay,
but this isn't working. I want Damian Lillard. Well, they
were the conversation where they can't work together. Something's going on.
They got a little rift there. We don't know what's up.
So it seems like it keeps being something that he's
not happy about. And then he hints and he says things,
(14:43):
and he does he insinuates things. Then he pulls his
hands back right, And that's the issue I have with it.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
It's okay to want to leave.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
You've earned it because everything you just said, he is
a made man. He has given it is all. He
has been there so long. He has brought joy to
the city. It's it's okay. And what happens rob you
know this anybody watching on YouTube, listen on the air.
When you stay in a relationship that is starting to
get a little weird, you starting to look out the door.
He's looking at the door, she's looking at the door.
(15:12):
They looking out the door. It gets weird. It's almost
become to the point where it becomes you can't it
can't fix it. And I think they've gotten to where
their philosophy is and their foundation changes. In a relationship,
you can have a little few things. That's a part
of life. Some rough patches any relationship, but the foundation
is typically the same. Right, your morals, your beliefs, your approach,
(15:33):
and the Bucks are showing our morals and our approach
is different than what you want. Our foundation has changed.
You're still wanting to play this season, you ain't playing again.
So now he's ready to get some courts involved in
the NBA involved because they're saying you ain't playing again
for him, that's it for him. That is offensive. I'm healthy.
I'm playing for them, Nah, bruh. Were trying to get
(15:54):
these lottery chips up, get a chance to win a
great pick and help build this thing. And I just
think Alter, it's gonna be where they're gonna trade him somewhere,
get the best offer they can get. Apparently it was
in Miami. They gave him Tyler Hero, a couple other
players and a bunch of picks. But they say we
can get something bigger from the other eleven teams that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I'm telling you, he's not going anywhere. He's gone this summer.
What do you what do we want to bet on that?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I want your hair to go all black? That's what
I get that black beard or black hair or both
can't do it, can't do it what you want? No,
I'll just just say no, no, fifty wings, all right,
he's bet ten wings borsus the hair.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
No, it's not the hair I want. I'm not dying
my hair.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I just think, Rob, there's a point when we are
just passing an organization.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We want to blow this thing up.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
But I think, because what's the point, let me ask
you a real question here, Gianna saloon with a solid player,
because the reports are he's like, oh Miles Turner, No, bru,
it's not your fault. You I've been hurt. You're good,
Doc Rivers yelling him you ain't man. Good Kyle Kuzmana,
I like you. My question is a similar type of
(17:05):
team with the healthy honest, are they doing anything realistically?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No? But but but again, but he wants to win.
I'm only saying that because I get what you're saying.
He's made man.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
He is my obsession with winning, my obsession. But she
literally said this.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
But that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
He should want to win with that under any circumstances, like,
that's why you should play. Though when you play, you're
not trying to like play out your contract. You're a
young guy like he's not old. I'm not just here
to play out your contract. It's the same thing like
Steph Curry, Like despite all the winning and all that
and everything that he's done, he ain't just playing just
(17:39):
to be playing, you know what I mean? Like there's
a degree you should always feel like like you want
to win.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We got a chance if I minute, we got a change,
but that I don't feel like that will honest, And
I don't feel like Milwaukee can get the free agents
that they would need to actually be able to compete
with the Thunder, the Spurs, the Pistons, the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But should but he should never. But he should never
feel that way, is what I'm saying about him.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
But we've seen him and he doesn't go anywhere in
the playoffs except for that he got the ring.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
That's what he's comfortable. He's comfortable. Yeah, but you act
like it's not a big deal, not.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
To know what I'm saying. I'm using his words. He's
obsessed with winning. I want to be like Kobe Bryant
and Lebron and Steph Curry. I'm telling you these are
his own words and they have rustle rings. I want
obsessed with winning. And other people. They say, it's not
about talent. It's a pession what he said just recently.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
But the difference is he had a chance to say, yeah,
maybe my time has come and gone here in Milwaukee,
or not do the interview, or not.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Make that comment. You know what I'm saying. He had
every right to just say I'd rather not talk about that,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (18:42):
And why does he keep talking hinting and other things?
Because why was the New York Knicks a real thing
last summer? Why does he keep saying, and I'm using
his words, I'm a baddie. It does feel good to
be wanted. Everybody want me and me Courton, I'm a baddie.
He said everything.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
But but the only problem is if he really wanted to,
he could easily, like you just said that already when
he signed that extension.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So the idea that he hasn't gone to him and
said get me out.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Of here tells me this summer they're gonna say, we
love you, brother, but it's time to break up. The
relationship is just time to move on.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
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Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, along with that, I was gonna say, rob you
can you google it? That's all we want to know.
Google that song? Yeah, google that song.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, I'll google a lot of things today, one of
them being the resume of one Glenn doc Rivers.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like Robbie, I saw him coming to the fast break.
It was like Blake Griffin, except you didn't win that.
That's a good point.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Speaking at Glen Rivers, he also coached that team didn't
win nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Dark Rivers.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
In case you guys missed it was part of a
long form expos by DESPN today where they discussed everything
that's gone wrong with the Milwaukee Bucks this season, even
going back to last season. There's a lot of turmoil.
Janni is willy, you're won't he won't he go? The
front office in him are at odds. The roster is
burried of talent. Doc Rivers is doing doc Rivers things.
(20:12):
And one of the things that sham Sharanya included in
his story, got to make sure I stress this point.
Spoke to six people who were in the room at
the time this happened, not one, not two, another six people.
So you know, everybody was upset about what Doc Rivers
said during a team meeting that they had earlier this year.
According to Shams, at a March one team meeting, Doc
(20:38):
Rivers told his players to google him and look up
his resume, and according to Shams, the exact quote he
used was, I took teams to the playoffs and to
the championship that weren't supposed to. I thought this was
one of them. Either you're with us or you're against us.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
If I got to google you resume like that and
you're talking to me like that and saying it with
the chest, you ain't all that. I ain't got to
google Phil Jackson, pat Riley, some of the greats, Greg Popovich,
you know what?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Because I know and if I got a Google, Hey,
if you google me, are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (21:16):
All right? So then let's take it the next step further. Well,
let's actually google him. Okay, let's do that. He is
the only coaching league history Rob Parker to blow multiple
three to one leads in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I ain't done googling.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
His teams have also blown five three two leads, one
two oer lead, and has lost Game seven at home
four different times. So you're talking about it, you're talking
about google me. We did, and it was one of
those things you should have said, don't google.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Me, because then we can at least all man.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought, or maybe
you know what, or maybe I'm overreacting.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Maybe he was better than I thought he was.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Then you hit Google and you say, well, you know what, No,
I'm not crazy. What team did he have? Rob Parker
that they took far that we didn't expect anything from
Kevin Garnet, Paul Piers Ray Allen in Rondo. I have
no idea what team that might be, what's supposed to
be in those title games, you could argue you should
have won maybe one more. Those Clipper teams were, like
(22:17):
we talk about all the time, wearing sexy picks. Everybody
was picking every year for what a four or five year. Oh,
this is the year they get it done.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
This is the year they gave you right because they
should have because they had a squad Prince.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Paul Dean, j Jordan Blake, Griffin, Jamal Craft for JJ
Reddick and then depending on the era, Matt Barnes is
a good defensive player, small forward. But to all these
guys so you can say they underachieved. You could have
had Tim Duncan if you let his daddy on.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
The plane, girlfriend on the plane, wife or whoever is
lady lad, Come on, doc, had a dad, got a
fine career like nothing you had, fine, but that's not elevated.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
And you and I already talked about him being in
a Hall.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Of famous crazy and so to say, google me and
and then I'll fine, I will google you, and I
see all of this, stop it, and this has been
an underachieving team. Look at the players he had, Tracey McGrady,
Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnet, Rondo Rayel and Chris Paul Blake,
Kawhi Leon or Paul George, joellenb James Harden, Giannis under
the couple, Jamian Lillard, Grant Hill.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
One ring out all that, Rogie, stop it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think what you said earlier is probably the best
point that if you have to tell people of Google
you are not one of those guys, because it's just
the idea that you would have to say that.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I think teams make a big mistake.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I'm gonna say this as someone's covered sports for a
long time, before you get into the building of any team.
Everybody should have mandatory shit down. Watch this video and
tell people who everybody is and you know what I
mean and why they're in the building. I don't understand
(23:56):
like you've had. Like I've told you before with Shaq,
was asking who was it? Oh my god, I just forgot.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What position she was?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
A coach who won a championship with the with Seattle.
I'm gonna just he passed away. Oh my god, I'm
mis forgetting. But but my point is I'll get Lenny
Lenny Wilkins. He asked Lenny Wilkins once, Hey, coach, you
know a lot about basketball. Did you ever play? Lenny
Wilkins is on the top fifty of all time? Do
you understand what I'm saying? Like that should never happen
because there should be a video Lenny woke, right or
(24:30):
this guy who you see, this old guy walking around
in the building who was coming over and talked to you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
You should know what he did in basketball. You know
his career.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But my point is, in the case of Doc Rivers,
no telling people to google you and act like you
know they should know because of all the successes and
look at what you were able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
When you look at his whole.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Career under it, he underachieved for the type of players
that he had, the players that he had, the situations
that he had. And then it's one thing if you
don't have if you were never up three to one
because your team wasn't that good. No, no, no, you
had three to one leads, which told you you had
(25:13):
we were pretty damn good, am I right?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
With multiple teams too, right organizations, and it just told
you that you didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Have the waywithal right, or the strength or the fortitude
to close out those series. We talked about it even
when they lost. Remember we were watching and they blew
that big lead. We couldn't believe it. Remember that we
sat here, We're like, wait a minute, they were just
they were up by twenty and we looked in the score.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
That was when the Pacers last year. We couldn't even
believe it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So, Doc, I'm sorry, no, google me and find out
about his career.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
If you're saying that, it tells us all we really
need to know.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
And he should be not saying google me, because when
you google him, you get the facts. You're like, oh,
at least because you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You could have been riding off to maybe he was
you know he went to well, at least we know
he won a champion.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, you can lean more on that, like, dang, you
know what, maybe there were some injuries something you could
get because your head. I remember Lot City was fun.
But when you do the deep dive, You're like, oh,
wait a minute. I would have expected more from you.
I would have expected another title at least with you,
and and and please remind me of this team that
was so terrible that you went far with because expectator.
(26:29):
You go to Philly with all that talent they had,
nothing happened. You go to Milwaukee with a prime Giannis,
nothing happened. He had selected you. They let Adrian Griffin go.
You had prime Chris Paul Blake Griffin before all the injuries.
JJ read to getting threes all over the place, Jamal
Crawford want the best, get me a bucket. Guys of
all time, DeAndre Jordan and Is Apex. Nothing happened from that.
(26:54):
Up against the Warriors, up against Houston, Like, remind me
what I'm missing. You lose four game sevens at home,
bro at home?
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Can you split and you know what I mean, Like
even if you like you'd be like, I'll take the
split you lose four, Come on, that's mind boggling. So yeah,
I just like especially the end of his career, like
the second Like, like you're talking about winning a championship
in two thousand and eight. We're in twenty twenty six,
(27:24):
are you kidding? Like the last portion of this, And
that was the.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
First third of his career, right, So if you're breaking
it in the thirds, the second third was underwhelming because
you wanted more from those you know, those Clippers teams
and all of that, and then these last teams with
these clipperly and Philly like the late Clippers Philly Bucks.
It ain't it either. So I'm just maybe I'm tripping,
(27:49):
rob g. You know sometimes you like to straighten us
up a little bit. Make are we missing something with Doc?
I'm not even trying to, like I'm really asking, am
I missing?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
No, y'all are under selling it, to be honest with you,
Like you guys I think are even being nice about it.
Doc Rivers is going to go down, at least in
my lifetime as the most overrated, over hyped, overproduced, over
glorified coach in any sport period because when you guys,
(28:16):
when when you mentioned just the guys that he's worked with, well.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Wait a minute, you just mentioned football, right, who are
bringing up.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Kyle? I just gotta right, Kyle shan has blown Can
you say that? Rob? And he hasn't won anything?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And I'll put ahead because he he had three chances
to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
One is a coordinator and two us ahead. That is fair.
That's fair. My disagree, but it's fair. I'm totally fair.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
My push back to that is Kyle Shanahan has never
had the kind of talent and especially in a sport
like football versus basketball, where two guys can totally transform
a whole basketball team and.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Not with football. I get it, I get it, I
get it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But here's the only thing is that he was there
like you can't. It wasn't like he didn't have the
talent and they never got there like he was in
two Super Bowls leading by ten points to start the
listening that you know what I'm saying, Like he just
couldn't fit get the job finished.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
But anyway, but is Kyle Shanahan going to be a
shoe into the Hall of Fame? The way Doc Rivers
was no, no, and that's the issue that he has
been eating off of one champ not just him, the
entire eight Celtics are eating off of one championship in
a way that I can't remember any other team doing.
Speaker 6 (29:37):
But at least with them, like Kevin Garnett is still
a top depending where you want to, you know, play
them twenty players. Like my point is, at least KG
can talk that talk.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You get what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're gonna say this and you're talking about eating off
of one championship. That two thousand and four team can
eat off of it because they didn't have those players,
Like am I right?
Speaker 4 (29:57):
That team but big back and I agree with you
if they team shouldn't be them, but they don't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
They don't.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
None of those guys are getting the same kind of
love that that these pisss like Kendrick Perkins has one
of the cushiest jobs in ESPN television period because he
was the fifth guy on that team. Eddie House, We
love Eddie House. Edi House is a friend of ours.
Eddie House is a play for seven different teams, but
he does Celtics TV because he was.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
On the A team.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
You know what I mean, Paul Pierce before he won
that championship was no, He's a really good player, but
round for one and done. Him and Antoine Walker can't
quite get it done. Other than KG and Ray Allen,
all of those guys entire legacy is tied to one team.
I don't get it.
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