May 6, 2026 • 28 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why James Harden’s NBA legacy will be his history of playoff failures rather than his transformational style of play, debate whether Jaylen Brown is plotting his exit from the Boston Celtics, and explain why Austin Rivers is right when he says that Draymond Green is the luckiest player in modern NBA history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Our Detroit Pistons take Game one over the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
But you mentioned it, James Harden.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
If you look at the statlane, hey, twenty two points,
a rebound, seven assist to steal two blocks. Slim Jim
Harden came to play, and then you read a little
bit further and you see that he had more turnovers
seven than made basket six. That is the third time
he's had more turnovers they made baskets in this playoff alone,
the twenty ninth time in.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
His playoff career.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Guys, here's another one. Across one hundred and eighty one
career playoff games, one in every four times James Harden
will have as many turnovers or more turnovers than made buskets.
Shout out to Slim Jim Harden being who he thought
he was.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
And I'm just gonna say this, what you're it's playing
it simple because I know people have they'll take a
look at somebody stats or whatever, and you know all
the numbers that he compiled and whatnot, and and go, man,
this guy's been one of the all time great scorers
in this league.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We get it. He won an MVP. Just prolific, prolific.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
But I'm here to tell you that when it comes
to James Harden, it ain't about being a prolific scorer.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
James Harden has cemented himself.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You heard it, lit Low, I did it well, Tom
Brady sitting next to you, the luckiest of all time?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You heard of Lebron the ffoll Finals failure of all time?
What's the new? Oh we got? And now James Harden
is officially okay.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
The puffo the playoffs failure of all time, puffo p
foat the playoff failure of all time. And it's well
documented because as good as he's been during the regular
season for so many years in the NBA, he's been
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that bad for that long in the postseason in the NBA.
One in four, one in four games where he has
more turnovers than baskets. I think that speaks for itself.
That's an incredible number, and it speaks to your volume.
I know people always a Hall of Famer and okay,
(02:49):
I get it because they open up the door and
everybody gets into the Basketball Hall of Fame. James Harden
is a major disappointment. And Rob g b up if
you just looked at those numbers, Oh he had twenty
two points.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Okay, Well, no, this is not new. This is a
movie we've seen over and over. I told you I've
seen The Wizard of Ours a million times. I've seen
James Harden be the Puffote a million in one times.
This is who he is. I don't know if he'll
ever change it. He'd have to be go to the
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NBA Finals, win the finals, MVP, you know what I mean,
put on a display that no one has ever seen,
and guess what. As the clock ticks on James Harden's career,
I don't believe he's going to ever be there.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And this is just another example of James Harden being
who we thought he was.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
James Harden, of course, is an example of what you say.
He made his name. He made his name. He's been
an MVP. He's been an MVP runner up a couple
of times, he's been an All Star and a million times.
One of the best offensive weapons this league is name
has ever seen. He's made his name, but he didn't
make his face because you know, they say the regular
season whereas you make your name, and the playoffs are
(04:04):
where you make your fame, and he has not been
able to do that latter portion. He has not been
able to make his fame. And if anything, he's become
infamous or synonymous with bad performances, non clutch performances, showing
up short, showing up falling short. And that's sad because
of how great he was offensively during a regular season
for the bulk of his career. And I gave you
(04:25):
a couple of things. Robert Or not going in the
Hall of Fame. Some people say he should just be,
but he's not. And that's fair to say he's not.
I don't necessarily think he should, but Robers never a starter, right,
So I'm with it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But Robert or made his name become famous by making
all types of big shots, and not just big shots.
You were at I believe you were Game five or
Spurs Pistons. I was there too, and it wasn't just oh,
he hit the big shot to tie it. He went
crazy in overtime, between overtime and fourth quartery like twenty
four points, and he made When he.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Was with the Rockets, he had huge games, hit six streets.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He made his name and became famous with big shots,
big performances, clutch shots, clutch performances.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We already know guys like Game six Clay, where he
had a multitude of Game sixes where his team needed
him the most and he showed up. And you let's
not even go the MJ's and and the Kobe's and
the Lebron's Kim Hurray step conversation, but go ahead, no,
well step steph twis credit has had some games.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He I ain't say shot. I didn't say shot.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And so my point is we have these other big
time guys Kawhi Leonard even where they showed up when
it was needed. Paul Pierce showed up when it was needed.
James Harden. You can't think of a time and I'm
not saying he didn't have one single game, but for them,
you associate him. If you're playing the word Association game
and the and the theme is playoffs, and I go
flip up, Harden, you're gonna go failure or you're gonna
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go let down. Are you gonna go didn't show up,
or you're gonna go less than And that's and that's
a shame because how great he was for the regular season.
There was a ten year period where he was one
of the greatest offensive weapons and me, he could drove
forty points and twenty assist and it wouldn't be crazy.
And so when it comes postseason and now he says
after Game one against the Pistons, he goes, Oh, it's
nothing they did. I can just fix my stuff. I
(06:12):
know I was the reason, so I could just fix that. Well,
let me tell you something. The Pistons led the league
in points off turnovers.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
They had twenty nine off those nineteen or twenty turnovers.
The Cavs had YEA.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
But his point is, yeah, but I agree that he's
been turning the ball over long before they play the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
No, my point is no, I'm not questioning that. I'm
saying Fallow in Game one.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
He can handle the take care of the basketball. He's
been turning the ball over for years and he turned true.
But I'm saying he act like it's an easy fix. Oh,
I'll just be good. It ain't nothing they did, no,
they that's what they do. You came up short, You
turned the ball over when they needed it most. And
I don't think it's just oh, I ain't gonna turn
it over. They didn't do nothing. Again, I say, he
can say I'm not gonna turn it over, but he's
been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
That's all. This is his that moment, this is who
he is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So I just yeah, I think it's just one of
the more perplexed singing disappointing because it's not like he
was a good player during his NBA career. He was
a great He was one of the absolute probably five
best players of the last fifteen to twenty years in
the NBA. And to come up regularly, routinely short in
the postseason is just very strange. And I think the
last part I'll make is also what makes it difficult
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is he can't just say the shots not falling, wh
I'm gonna lock up on defense, or I'm gonna get
all the rebounds, or I'm gonna block shots. The problem
is if he's not really scoring and kind of in
the flow of things, well, then he's out of the game.
Other guys can at least contribute other ways, and that's
not his forte.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
He can't do that.
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Speaker 1 (08:17):
All right, Rob g uh, we're hear more and more
from somebody who's supposed to be not mentioned necessarily because
he hadn't in the playoffs anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That is Jaylen Brown. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Interestingly enough, this time it wasn't Jalen Brown who said
something this time instead, it was a mentor of his,
not a mentee.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Rob Parker, a mentor of his.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Tracy McGrady, hall of famer, does a podcast with his cousin,
Vince Carter, and they were talking about some of the
NBA headlines that come out of the first round.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All Hall of Famers or not.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Thang it Rob and of course Jalen Brown and his
comments and what happened in Boston came up, and during
the conversation, Tracy McGrady said something that everybody's ears perk
up just a little bit in Boston.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
This frustration lies deeply within the organization and other things
that of course, of course we don't really have that
tails too.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
There's just been a lot of stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
You know that I've been hearing just going on with
the Boston organization with JB.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So, I think part of him is like.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I showed you guys more of who I am as
a basketball player, not only just you know, what I
did on the basketball court, but the leadership that I
displayed within you know, this team, and you've seen that
not having our you know, best player in JT. You've
seen the different side of me and what I I'm
(09:43):
able to bring to the game of basketball. So all
that stuff, you know, I think just came in to
play with him and his frustration.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I think we might be getting to a point
rop where he wants to spread his wings and fly.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Not in a negative way either, meaning.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Have to be I hate Jason Tatum, I hate the Celtics,
but I wondered if there's a point where because I
feel like Tracy McGrady was saying without saying like one
of those that we've talked, and I don't want to
tell all of those personal things he's told me, but
I can see a frustration in a broader sense to
Jaylen Brown more of the NBA as a whole. He
has when we had the Olympics, coming off of him
winning the finals MVP and all that, and he's known
(10:21):
in the league. He doesn't get chosen to the Olympics, right,
I think that puts a little burn in you. He also,
you are a finals MVP, but you're always number two,
everybody thinks, Jason Tatum, and then you right or wrong.
That would add a little fuel to you as well.
And then you look at little small things that happened.
They had the All Star weekend out here in Los
Angeles this past February, his party gets shut down. It
(10:41):
was philanthropic party, was party with a cause, and yet
his gets shot down in Beverly. He has to do
with the Celtics and his teammates, I'll tell you, and
so if you let me finish, my point is, I
think he's in a place as a respected person. What
did you come out of this past series talking about
the refs and do with me like that. I think
(11:01):
he's gotten to a place as a whole, as the
guide the NBA that he feels like he's being maybe
under rated, being a little up and represented on his
own team. Maybe he wants a little bit more pool
you mention he mentioned, of course, look what he did.
They were competing for the number one seed in the
East and when everybody thought they would either be out
the playoffs or a lower seed. And I think there's
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a point where he wants to feel we will win.
I want, I want the responsibility of having my own team.
And remember James Harden with the thunder everybody said why
would you stay? Why don't you stay? Because I told
people that he wants his own team, He wants to
be the man right or wrong, fail succeed.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I want to try that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Kobe and Shaq won a bunch of rings, and it
was a point where it was just like, I just
want to try my Kobe always said I just had
to prove that I can win without Shack, And I
wondered if Jalen is getting to a place where he
is saying, man, I want more responsibility, I want more
of a power structure in within an organization. And not
that I don't like Jason Tatum, not that I hate
this team, but I'm wondering if he's getting to a
(11:59):
place where he wants to spread his wings and have
his own thing. You know, you're at Edwards with the Timberwolves,
we know it's his team. You're Kay with Detroit, we
know it's your team. You're Denver with Joker, we know
it's your team. And I wonder if he's getting to
a place where all of these frustrations feeling like I
don't have that right now and I want that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I just it makes no sense to me.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I'm serious, Like everybody's trying to find a partner, right,
Kay needs a partner.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You have a partner. You won a championship.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You've been to tomb This is what everybody tries to find.
And then if you're saying how is he being disrespected?
Tatum had better numbers than him in every single category
and guess who won the finals MVP, Jalen Brown. So
nobody disrespected him. The writers actually look past the numbers,
go look.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Rob g Am.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He let in every single offensive category and they still
picked him as MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So I don't know. The Olympics is another thing. Jason
Tatum didn't play in the Olympics. He got disrespected for
whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
So it wasn't just like oh, wow, you know Jason
Datum was a starter and I didn't even make the team. No,
Jason Jata felt like he got disrespected and how they
treated him in the Olympics. I just I just don't, dude,
if they want to leave or whatever and try to
find some other situations, I just you're leaving a team
(13:22):
where you were the finals MVP when you want a
championship saying I want more respect. That's the ultimate respect.
If I'm Jason Tatum, maybe I'm like, ah, you know,
like wow, like Jalen, Jalen did this and held the
team together when I was gone, like they didn't need me.
Maybe he's a guy. Jalen Brown to me, had cemented himself.
(13:46):
And I thought this year when the way people looked
at him showed that he is that player, the party
thing and all that he was in Beverly Hills and
you know how people Karen's are all over the place
and if they want to call the police and thoughts,
they don't know who's there, you know what I mean,
they didn't even know Jay that that was what but.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I'm talking about. He believes this and that's the whole
point of it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But I just I just think he has mentioned he
thought you and I disagree with him, but he thought
the NBA and the refts are doing him they having
a gender against me. That's what I can't that's what
he thinks. But saying that he thinks is because he
speaks out about things. He's very vocal about, you know,
social commentary.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
He takes that okay, and the writers could have easily said,
oh yeah, if they got this, NBA, don't give it
to Jalen Brown because he speaks out of stuff like
like I like, what is the conspiracy?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Whose team is the Celtic Jason Tatum or James.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, it doesn't matter. I'm telling you to respect. Question
whose team is telling you respect? He gets who's whose.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Team is it? When people think of the Boston Celtics,
who team is it? They could think of Jason Tatum,
all Ay Wanka.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But what I'm telling you, like the guy who won
the finals m v P without the best numbers speaks
volumes to me.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Okay, So Andre, that happens. All that that happens, It
does happen all the time, does not? Andre Iguidala by
fire had no way near the best numbers he got.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That was because Steph.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
That was because Steph was terrible and his numbers were terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's all that does happen. My point is I just
don't agree.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think that if you could find a spot where
you could have somebody where you're in the mix, where
you got a chance every single year, go ask Jannis
and ask all these people, all these guys who were
singular uh Luca when he was in Dallas and all
these other places, all these players, and ask them if
they're trying to find who's going to be my you know,
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partner in crime, you have it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You've had success, You've been to the finals twice, You've
been in the mix every year.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That's why I think.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Where he didn't have his guy and they were competing
for almost with the one seed. I think that both
does wonders to you, going hmm, makes you start to
think a little bit. And again within organization, we've seen
this happen where guys want to flex their wings and
spread their wings and flex their muscles and have more
say and have a little bit of control. I want
a championship and wanted to leave who I just told
(16:10):
you breaking up shaking Kobe's because they had they had
a person that was a personal beef too. You know
that I just told you James harden Is. And then
he was winning, but he didn't write a finals, he
didn't win anything.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
He was right there in the finals.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
He knew that that was And I believe there's a
there could be a potential where you're saying, man, I
want to have more say, I want to do more things.
I want to be and I I I, and you
want to spread your wings. I'm absolutely saying the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Go ahead, leave Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Trying to get Giannis to leave Milwaukee for years I've
been telling you to make up.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You say I'm telling it himself keeps going on and
office he would be said.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
He would be going down for.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Literally is the one I don't I'm not saying I
don't want to leave, but I don't want to stay.
But I don't want to leave. If he wanted to
be gone, gone, he will go day get the right,
the right deal. I don't believe it.
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Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, they're calling this one, guys, the biggest conflict between
the dark and of light skin since Drake and Kendrick Lamarin.
My God, Draymond Green and Austin Rivers the beef. We
didn't know we needed?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Who knew?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Let me take you in the hot tub time machine.
Just about a week ago. This is how it all started.
Draymond Green said on his own podcast Unsolicited that he
believes his career trajectory might have been hindered by Steve Kerr,
that Steve Kerr never drew up any plays for him,
that Steve Kerr made him a jack of all trades
kind of option. He never became the offensive force. Maybe
(17:49):
he could have if he was showcasing a different way
of the way he was in Michigan State.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
So okay, a.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Few days later, Austin Rivers, now a member of the media.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He was so but he played well. That showcase is
a bit, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, was asked about those comments on the Dan Patrick
Hill right here on Fox Sports Radio, and he said, quote,
it's ridiculous. Draymond is such a high Q. That's a
big part of his game. It's how smart of a
player he is. So what bewilders me. He even thinks that.
And he wasn't the only one. A lot of people
took gi you what Draymond said. But Draymond felt a
kind of way about Austin Rivers being the one to
call him out until he had on his own podcast
(18:24):
again goes off and saying, you know, I was actually
a comparable high school player to you, because that's the
only success you ever had.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And did he see that He wasn't, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
He made it very personal and he says, this is
the best part I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Austin Rivers.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Quote, this guy received the biggest bailout in US history.
Prior to President Trump bailing out the airlines when they
needed it, Austin Rivers received the biggest bailout and maybe
a history excuse me, world history, US history received the
biggest bailout ever when his dad gave him forty two
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Of course, talking about Doc Rivers with.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The clip, well, Austin Rivers decided to go full ether
on Instagram last night with his response to Draymond Green.
Let's hear part of it on Instagram, Lost Rivers.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Draymond, you were the luckiest basketball player I think I've.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Ever seen, especially in modern day history.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
Let's talk about that you were drafted to a franchise
with the Hall of Fame front office, Bob Myers, Hall
of Fame coach, Steve Kerr, the greatest shooter of all
time and perhaps the top five player.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Of all time. Steph Curry, Hall of Famer, one of.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
The greatest shooters, top five shooter of all time. Another
Hall of Famer, Klay Thompson, the Swiss Army Knife himself,
the guy who can do a little bit of everything
on the floor on Dregadala, another Hall of Famer.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
I know keep up is a lot of talent.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Not to mention one of the most lethal scores of
all time and arguably a top ten player of all time.
Kevin Durant, the same guy you chased off because of
this your mouth.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
You talked too much, and that's not even counting the Planthor.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I'm talent around those guys, the DeShawn Levinson as the Barbosa's,
the Andrew Wiggins who you also chased off.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Cut it out.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Draymond, You're the backpack jump shooter. You're the guy that
everyone leaves open, no one guards you. There are hours
and hours and hours of film of just you being
left wide open, in fact that anybody can just YouTube
or google or watch any Draymond game ever, and he's
opened all game. There are close of you getting a
rebound and just driving in a straight line and just
getting a white open laer because everyone's fanning out to
guard the actual talent on the teams. Talking about Steve
(20:28):
Kurr hinted your career, bro, Steve Kerr made your career.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
How dare you coming at me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
Oh? Which I could give muscle on two hundred million
dollars with balls a coach.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, the NBA.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Doesn't give coaches coaching jobs, and guys who may or
may not sucker punch on the players and staff.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
You need to fall back and Dre, let's just be
front of mees.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He did end it very drain. That sound like that
sounded like all I'm gonna say is very much.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Austin Rivers is my new hero, period point blank. Why
so because I think that he took Draymond a part,
and rightfully so, Drape. The whole thing was ridiculous, and
that was why Austin Rivers you the right ridiculous. Okay,
plenty of players don't have plays drawn up for him
for them. And when I even talk to you about
(21:13):
the Ben Wallace when Larry Brown was there, they're not
going to redo the playbook because Ben Wallace ain't. What
do they do the first basket of the game, they
gave the ball had been whatever, and they went back.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
To doing what they done and rip off the curl exactly,
you know what I'm saying. So and then for him
to say they had comparable career, what was the player
of the country.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Comparable like college careers, not comparable? Lottery pick, second round pick,
nothing is comparable about those two and their basketball talent.
And I've said this before. He could have gone to
a lot of thirty other teams. Forget thirty, right, thirty
other teams, twenty five of the would not be where
(21:59):
he is. And up even when the Pistons offer him
all that money, you remember to come back home and play.
You think you think he was crazy? Right, he could
have got paid. He knew that him going there wouldn't
be anything. He's not that type of player. He's not
going to alter unchanged a franchise. He's a player who
(22:19):
has his own skill set and and it's valuable. But
come on, man, He's in a perfect situation. And of
course Tom Brady has the title of the low the
luckiest of all time. But Draymond Green is in that
class too. Everything is fortunate for him and it all
works out and that's why he is where he is.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh you got your ticket?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
Run?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Are you ready? Yes? For the apology tour? Because this
is getting ready to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Draymond does this where he goes too far as takes
stuff personally, takes shots of people said too much and
any why didn't mean like that? Probably too you know,
I get it as an ex athlete. I probably what
you bought it to. DA Get ready to get your
tickets for the apology tour because you're gonna apologize to
what he said about Steve curR. That's coming because Steve
curR is in a very key critical moment of his
life right trying to figure out to do Do I
(23:11):
move on?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do I stay with my family? Now? Do I come
back and coach again? Do I do do TV?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And you're and then you're already out here like I
like him in all, but this is what I could
have been.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I could have been this that's coming.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You think he's gonna be an apology tour to Austin
Rivers because I think he's gonna realize. Austin Rivers started
off complimenting him. His singular point was your IQ is
what made you great? I'm actually shocked you feel like this.
So he was complimenting them, saying, you have a great
skill set, you were masterful at what you did, one
of the best of all time at what you do.
So why was that necessarily a negative thing? So why
(23:42):
are you and your feelings about this? Are you an
NBA player, rob or is he a media member, because
part of being an NBA player is media members. Now
that Austin Reeves is, they criticize your game, criticized the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So why are you sensitive?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This is him talking about a player who's done or
said some stuff. So this, Drake, make up your mind,
your media, your player would doing here because Austin Rivers
says something about you, the player, that's.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
What that's his job. That's his job.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Dan Patrick didn't have him on to just shred you.
He wanted to get you. Austin Rivers is a is
a commentator. Now what did you make of that? That's
what he does.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
He gives an opinion about Rivers goes, well, I can't
answer that, or I don't want to say anything about
then guess what.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Austin Rivers won't be on the Dan Patrick Show. And
oh and exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And he didn't make it all personal bringing up your
dad and your this and your dad, that's personal.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I stop being so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
The person who talks the most about everybody who punches
and chokes people probably even being so sensitive.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Also, you were in a great situation where because you
were hyper focused on an individual, kind of a skill set,
the thing that you do best that made you a
Hall of Famer, Like, that's a good thing. You landed
in a position where you were able to focus on
being the offensive nighter. You got it going through you
to get the people.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's fine, that's a and the best defender on that
team for twelve fifteen years. Those are complimentary pieces that
get you in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You mentioned Ben Wallace, you mentioned a Dwight Howard, you
mentioned a Dennis Rodman. Like, dude, there is a place
for that. So the idea that has to be a
negative thing, I just don't get it. And lastly, if
Drayvond Green was a Washington Wizard of Charlotte horneer the
Detroit Piston during the Purgatory years, guess what would have happened.
He would have averaged eighteen points. I believe it. And
(25:29):
guess what would happened. He would have had a three
year career. You know why punching people, choking people, cussing
out coaches, running off teammates when it only works when
you got four rings. It doesn't work when you were
just a guy on a team that's winning twelve, eighteen
twenty five games. You would have been out of the league,
choking people, punching people, getting all the text get costing
a team with fines and penalties and all that you
(25:50):
would it would not have worked out. Take the blessing.
You don't have to make it person. Austin Reeves was
not trying to disrespect. And I don't want to keep
doing this tour with all these guys with the pod.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I'm sorry, I went too far. I'm sorry I said that.
My bad on that I don't I'm over it's so bad.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I'm with you and Austin, I'm shocked he would say that,
considering he's the high Q guy knows what his role
was right now, your dad and your dis and he like,
why are you making it personal?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And a bell loud or whatever? He was. He was
a lottery pick.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Hey, you did Doc Rivers make him a lottery pick?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He was a high school player of the year. He
was a lottery pick. He only had to pay one
year and was a lottery pick. Yes, and and and
its career wasn't the greatest. It happens. But the idea
that like, you have to address him because.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
We talked about Christian Lada, who we think is one
of the top college players of all time.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He didn't have a great NBA career either. It happened.
It happens.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If the idea that you have to go at one
of your guys and cat anybody that challenge you, he
says the wildest stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He called what he called that ass? No, No he
didn't he did that was.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
It was?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
He said, No that McCoy shady McCoy called him.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, d drake, and I forgot what if he called out?
People talk about you gotta apologize. My whole point is, dude, like.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
What rob g what did he called the dak Because
now it's on the tip of my bum, That's what
I think. He said. It was a bum and he
I shouldn't do that. You know, he's playing.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I get it, especially coming from an athlete who knows, yeah,
he wins that. You know, he hasn't won in the
playoffs like that, but he wins at a high level.
Twelve and five three is like, I've just shocked that
for someone who acts like he's so enlightened and so
uh you know, intellectual, that he always has to go
back to the base the floor, you know, just.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It's always in the gutter, and that's what he does.
He tries to claim like he's some new medium, so intellectual.
It's always run to the gutter and let me attack
anybody who has a foul I could have foul words
against everybody. As soon as somebody says anything about me,
I'm going to go there and attack them. And tell
(27:58):
you it reminds me of somebody else who's around who
does that, and like like you just cannot ever say
anything about them without them attacking you immediately.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
And that's where Draymond is.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
And go ahead, ESPN and inside the NBA and all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You want to put that guy on and whatever. It's
so bad.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
It's so bad that they allow someone who's so immature,
so self centered, so mean spirited to be a voice
of the league and be you know what I mean,
have a voice like that.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm just shocked to with the Steve Kerr Like, dude,
even if you feel that way, you have the absolute
right to feel that way. Yeah, but when did he
do it? Because Steve Kerr's on the rope too. He's
on the ropes trying to figure out his life. Like
we didn't been through battles together and in like now,
right now, I've stunted your growth and career. Like that's
a book, conversation, that's a podcast late, that's just one
on one you have him on the show and have
an honest conversation with him. But the idea that you
(28:51):
just I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing and
figure out life, and then you just add a little
fuel that's just unnecessary.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Our Detroit Pistons take Game one over the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
But you mentioned it, James Harden.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
If you look at the statlane, hey, twenty two points,
a rebound, seven assist to steal two blocks. Slim Jim
Harden came to play, and then you read a little
bit further and you see that he had more turnovers
seven than made basket six. That is the third time
he's had more turnovers they made baskets in this playoff alone,
the twenty ninth time in.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
His playoff career.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Guys, here's another one. Across one hundred and eighty one
career playoff games, one in every four times James Harden
will have as many turnovers or more turnovers than made buskets.
Shout out to Slim Jim Harden being who he thought
he was.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
And I'm just gonna say this, what you're it's playing
it simple because I know people have they'll take a
look at somebody stats or whatever, and you know all
the numbers that he compiled and whatnot, and and go, man,
this guy's been one of the all time great scorers
in this league.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
We get it. He won an MVP. Just prolific, prolific.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
But I'm here to tell you that when it comes
to James Harden, it ain't about being a prolific scorer.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
James Harden has cemented himself.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You heard it, lit Low, I did it well, Tom
Brady sitting next to you, the luckiest of all time?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
You heard of Lebron the ffoll Finals failure of all time?
What's the new? Oh we got? And now James Harden
is officially okay.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
The puffo the playoffs failure of all time, puffo p
foat the playoff failure of all time. And it's well
documented because as good as he's been during the regular
season for so many years in the NBA, he's been
(02:29):
that bad for that long in the postseason in the NBA.
One in four, one in four games where he has
more turnovers than baskets. I think that speaks for itself.
That's an incredible number, and it speaks to your volume.
I know people always a Hall of Famer and okay,
(02:49):
I get it because they open up the door and
everybody gets into the Basketball Hall of Fame. James Harden
is a major disappointment. And Rob g b up if
you just looked at those numbers, Oh he had twenty
two points.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Wow?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Okay, Well, no, this is not new. This is a
movie we've seen over and over. I told you I've
seen The Wizard of Ours a million times. I've seen
James Harden be the Puffote a million in one times.
This is who he is. I don't know if he'll
ever change it. He'd have to be go to the
(03:25):
NBA Finals, win the finals, MVP, you know what I mean,
put on a display that no one has ever seen,
and guess what. As the clock ticks on James Harden's career,
I don't believe he's going to ever be there.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And this is just another example of James Harden being
who we thought he was.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
James Harden, of course, is an example of what you say.
He made his name. He made his name. He's been
an MVP. He's been an MVP runner up a couple
of times, he's been an All Star and a million times.
One of the best offensive weapons this league is name
has ever seen. He's made his name, but he didn't
make his face because you know, they say the regular
season whereas you make your name, and the playoffs are
(04:04):
where you make your fame, and he has not been
able to do that latter portion. He has not been
able to make his fame. And if anything, he's become
infamous or synonymous with bad performances, non clutch performances, showing
up short, showing up falling short. And that's sad because
of how great he was offensively during a regular season
for the bulk of his career. And I gave you
(04:25):
a couple of things. Robert Or not going in the
Hall of Fame. Some people say he should just be,
but he's not. And that's fair to say he's not.
I don't necessarily think he should, but Robers never a starter, right,
So I'm with it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But Robert or made his name become famous by making
all types of big shots, and not just big shots.
You were at I believe you were Game five or
Spurs Pistons. I was there too, and it wasn't just oh,
he hit the big shot to tie it. He went
crazy in overtime, between overtime and fourth quartery like twenty
four points, and he made When he.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Was with the Rockets, he had huge games, hit six streets.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He made his name and became famous with big shots,
big performances, clutch shots, clutch performances.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
We already know guys like Game six Clay, where he
had a multitude of Game sixes where his team needed
him the most and he showed up. And you let's
not even go the MJ's and and the Kobe's and
the Lebron's Kim Hurray step conversation, but go ahead, no,
well step steph twis credit has had some games.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
He I ain't say shot. I didn't say shot.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And so my point is we have these other big
time guys Kawhi Leonard even where they showed up when
it was needed. Paul Pierce showed up when it was needed.
James Harden. You can't think of a time and I'm
not saying he didn't have one single game, but for them,
you associate him. If you're playing the word Association game
and the and the theme is playoffs, and I go
flip up, Harden, you're gonna go failure or you're gonna
(05:50):
go let down. Are you gonna go didn't show up,
or you're gonna go less than And that's and that's
a shame because how great he was for the regular season.
There was a ten year period where he was one
of the greatest offensive weapons and me, he could drove
forty points and twenty assist and it wouldn't be crazy.
And so when it comes postseason and now he says
after Game one against the Pistons, he goes, Oh, it's
nothing they did. I can just fix my stuff. I
(06:12):
know I was the reason, so I could just fix that. Well,
let me tell you something. The Pistons led the league
in points off turnovers.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
They had twenty nine off those nineteen or twenty turnovers.
The Cavs had YEA.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
But his point is, yeah, but I agree that he's
been turning the ball over long before they play the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
No, my point is no, I'm not questioning that. I'm
saying Fallow in Game one.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
He can handle the take care of the basketball. He's
been turning the ball over for years and he turned true.
But I'm saying he act like it's an easy fix. Oh,
I'll just be good. It ain't nothing they did, no,
they that's what they do. You came up short, You
turned the ball over when they needed it most. And
I don't think it's just oh, I ain't gonna turn
it over. They didn't do nothing. Again, I say, he
can say I'm not gonna turn it over, but he's
been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
That's all. This is his that moment, this is who
he is.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So I just yeah, I think it's just one of
the more perplexed singing disappointing because it's not like he
was a good player during his NBA career. He was
a great He was one of the absolute probably five
best players of the last fifteen to twenty years in
the NBA. And to come up regularly, routinely short in
the postseason is just very strange. And I think the
last part I'll make is also what makes it difficult
(07:20):
is he can't just say the shots not falling, wh
I'm gonna lock up on defense, or I'm gonna get
all the rebounds, or I'm gonna block shots. The problem
is if he's not really scoring and kind of in
the flow of things, well, then he's out of the game.
Other guys can at least contribute other ways, and that's
not his forte.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
He can't do that.
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Speaker 1 (08:17):
All right, Rob g uh, we're hear more and more
from somebody who's supposed to be not mentioned necessarily because
he hadn't in the playoffs anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
That is Jaylen Brown. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Interestingly enough, this time it wasn't Jalen Brown who said
something this time instead, it was a mentor of his,
not a mentee.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Rob Parker, a mentor of his.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Tracy McGrady, hall of famer, does a podcast with his cousin,
Vince Carter, and they were talking about some of the
NBA headlines that come out of the first round.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
All Hall of Famers or not.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Thang it Rob and of course Jalen Brown and his
comments and what happened in Boston came up, and during
the conversation, Tracy McGrady said something that everybody's ears perk
up just a little bit in Boston.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
This frustration lies deeply within the organization and other things
that of course, of course we don't really have that
tails too.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
There's just been a lot of stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
You know that I've been hearing just going on with
the Boston organization with JB.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So, I think part of him is like.
Speaker 7 (09:23):
I showed you guys more of who I am as
a basketball player, not only just you know, what I
did on the basketball court, but the leadership that I
displayed within you know, this team, and you've seen that
not having our you know, best player in JT. You've
seen the different side of me and what I I'm
(09:43):
able to bring to the game of basketball. So all
that stuff, you know, I think just came in to
play with him and his frustration.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I think we might be getting to a point
rop where he wants to spread his wings and fly.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Not in a negative way either, meaning.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Have to be I hate Jason Tatum, I hate the Celtics,
but I wondered if there's a point where because I
feel like Tracy McGrady was saying without saying like one
of those that we've talked, and I don't want to
tell all of those personal things he's told me, but
I can see a frustration in a broader sense to
Jaylen Brown more of the NBA as a whole. He
has when we had the Olympics, coming off of him
winning the finals MVP and all that, and he's known
(10:21):
in the league. He doesn't get chosen to the Olympics, right,
I think that puts a little burn in you. He also,
you are a finals MVP, but you're always number two,
everybody thinks, Jason Tatum, and then you right or wrong.
That would add a little fuel to you as well.
And then you look at little small things that happened.
They had the All Star weekend out here in Los
Angeles this past February, his party gets shut down. It
(10:41):
was philanthropic party, was party with a cause, and yet
his gets shot down in Beverly. He has to do
with the Celtics and his teammates, I'll tell you, and
so if you let me finish, my point is, I
think he's in a place as a respected person. What
did you come out of this past series talking about
the refs and do with me like that. I think
(11:01):
he's gotten to a place as a whole, as the
guide the NBA that he feels like he's being maybe
under rated, being a little up and represented on his
own team. Maybe he wants a little bit more pool
you mention he mentioned, of course, look what he did.
They were competing for the number one seed in the
East and when everybody thought they would either be out
the playoffs or a lower seed. And I think there's
(11:22):
a point where he wants to feel we will win.
I want, I want the responsibility of having my own team.
And remember James Harden with the thunder everybody said why
would you stay? Why don't you stay? Because I told
people that he wants his own team, He wants to
be the man right or wrong, fail succeed.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I want to try that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Kobe and Shaq won a bunch of rings, and it
was a point where it was just like, I just
want to try my Kobe always said I just had
to prove that I can win without Shack, And I
wondered if Jalen is getting to a place where he
is saying, man, I want more responsibility, I want more
of a power structure in within an organization. And not
that I don't like Jason Tatum, not that I hate
this team, but I'm wondering if he's getting to a
(11:59):
place where he wants to spread his wings and have
his own thing. You know, you're at Edwards with the Timberwolves,
we know it's his team. You're Kay with Detroit, we
know it's your team. You're Denver with Joker, we know
it's your team. And I wonder if he's getting to
a place where all of these frustrations feeling like I
don't have that right now and I want that.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I just it makes no sense to me.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I'm serious, Like everybody's trying to find a partner, right,
Kay needs a partner.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
You have a partner. You won a championship.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
You've been to tomb This is what everybody tries to find.
And then if you're saying how is he being disrespected?
Tatum had better numbers than him in every single category
and guess who won the finals MVP, Jalen Brown. So
nobody disrespected him. The writers actually look past the numbers,
go look.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Rob g Am.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I wrong.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He let in every single offensive category and they still
picked him as MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So I don't know. The Olympics is another thing. Jason
Tatum didn't play in the Olympics. He got disrespected for
whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
So it wasn't just like oh, wow, you know Jason
Datum was a starter and I didn't even make the team. No,
Jason Jata felt like he got disrespected and how they
treated him in the Olympics. I just I just don't, dude,
if they want to leave or whatever and try to
find some other situations, I just you're leaving a team
(13:22):
where you were the finals MVP when you want a
championship saying I want more respect. That's the ultimate respect.
If I'm Jason Tatum, maybe I'm like, ah, you know,
like wow, like Jalen, Jalen did this and held the
team together when I was gone, like they didn't need me.
Maybe he's a guy. Jalen Brown to me, had cemented himself.
(13:46):
And I thought this year when the way people looked
at him showed that he is that player, the party
thing and all that he was in Beverly Hills and
you know how people Karen's are all over the place
and if they want to call the police and thoughts,
they don't know who's there, you know what I mean,
they didn't even know Jay that that was what but.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I'm talking about. He believes this and that's the whole
point of it.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But I just I just think he has mentioned he
thought you and I disagree with him, but he thought
the NBA and the refts are doing him they having
a gender against me. That's what I can't that's what
he thinks. But saying that he thinks is because he
speaks out about things. He's very vocal about, you know,
social commentary.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
He takes that okay, and the writers could have easily said,
oh yeah, if they got this, NBA, don't give it
to Jalen Brown because he speaks out of stuff like
like I like, what is the conspiracy?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Whose team is the Celtic Jason Tatum or James.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, it doesn't matter. I'm telling you to respect. Question
whose team is telling you respect? He gets who's whose.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Team is it? When people think of the Boston Celtics,
who team is it? They could think of Jason Tatum,
all Ay Wanka.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
But what I'm telling you, like the guy who won
the finals m v P without the best numbers speaks
volumes to me.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Okay, So Andre, that happens. All that that happens, It
does happen all the time, does not? Andre Iguidala by
fire had no way near the best numbers he got.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
That was because Steph.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
That was because Steph was terrible and his numbers were terrible.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's all that does happen. My point is I just
don't agree.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
I think that if you could find a spot where
you could have somebody where you're in the mix, where
you got a chance every single year, go ask Jannis
and ask all these people, all these guys who were
singular uh Luca when he was in Dallas and all
these other places, all these players, and ask them if
they're trying to find who's going to be my you know,
(15:38):
partner in crime, you have it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You've had success, You've been to the finals twice, You've
been in the mix every year.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That's why I think.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Where he didn't have his guy and they were competing
for almost with the one seed. I think that both
does wonders to you, going hmm, makes you start to
think a little bit. And again within organization, we've seen
this happen where guys want to flex their wings and
spread their wings and flex their muscles and have more
say and have a little bit of control. I want
a championship and wanted to leave who I just told
(16:10):
you breaking up shaking Kobe's because they had they had
a person that was a personal beef too. You know
that I just told you James harden Is. And then
he was winning, but he didn't write a finals, he
didn't win anything.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
He was right there in the finals.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
He knew that that was And I believe there's a
there could be a potential where you're saying, man, I
want to have more say, I want to do more things.
I want to be and I I I, and you
want to spread your wings. I'm absolutely saying the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Go ahead, leave Milwaukee.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Trying to get Giannis to leave Milwaukee for years I've
been telling you to make up.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
You say I'm telling it himself keeps going on and
office he would be said.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
He would be going down for.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Literally is the one I don't I'm not saying I
don't want to leave, but I don't want to stay.
But I don't want to leave. If he wanted to
be gone, gone, he will go day get the right,
the right deal. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
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Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, they're calling this one, guys, the biggest conflict between
the dark and of light skin since Drake and Kendrick Lamarin.
My God, Draymond Green and Austin Rivers the beef. We
didn't know we needed?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Who knew?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Let me take you in the hot tub time machine.
Just about a week ago. This is how it all started.
Draymond Green said on his own podcast Unsolicited that he
believes his career trajectory might have been hindered by Steve Kerr,
that Steve Kerr never drew up any plays for him,
that Steve Kerr made him a jack of all trades
kind of option. He never became the offensive force. Maybe
(17:49):
he could have if he was showcasing a different way
of the way he was in Michigan State.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
So okay, a.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Few days later, Austin Rivers, now a member of the media.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
He was so but he played well. That showcase is
a bit, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, was asked about those comments on the Dan Patrick
Hill right here on Fox Sports Radio, and he said, quote,
it's ridiculous. Draymond is such a high Q. That's a
big part of his game. It's how smart of a
player he is. So what bewilders me. He even thinks that.
And he wasn't the only one. A lot of people
took gi you what Draymond said. But Draymond felt a
kind of way about Austin Rivers being the one to
call him out until he had on his own podcast
(18:24):
again goes off and saying, you know, I was actually
a comparable high school player to you, because that's the
only success you ever had.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
And did he see that He wasn't, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
He made it very personal and he says, this is
the best part I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Austin Rivers.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Quote, this guy received the biggest bailout in US history.
Prior to President Trump bailing out the airlines when they
needed it, Austin Rivers received the biggest bailout and maybe
a history excuse me, world history, US history received the
biggest bailout ever when his dad gave him forty two
million dollars.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Of course, talking about Doc Rivers with.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
The clip, well, Austin Rivers decided to go full ether
on Instagram last night with his response to Draymond Green.
Let's hear part of it on Instagram, Lost Rivers.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Draymond, you were the luckiest basketball player I think I've.
Speaker 9 (19:16):
Ever seen, especially in modern day history.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
Let's talk about that you were drafted to a franchise
with the Hall of Fame front office, Bob Myers, Hall
of Fame coach, Steve Kerr, the greatest shooter of all
time and perhaps the top five player.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Of all time. Steph Curry, Hall of Famer, one of.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
The greatest shooters, top five shooter of all time. Another
Hall of Famer, Klay Thompson, the Swiss Army Knife himself,
the guy who can do a little bit of everything
on the floor on Dregadala, another Hall of Famer.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
I know keep up is a lot of talent.
Speaker 8 (19:47):
Not to mention one of the most lethal scores of
all time and arguably a top ten player of all time.
Kevin Durant, the same guy you chased off because of
this your mouth.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
You talked too much, and that's not even counting the Planthor.
Speaker 8 (19:57):
I'm talent around those guys, the DeShawn Levinson as the Barbosa's,
the Andrew Wiggins who you also chased off.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Cut it out.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Draymond, You're the backpack jump shooter. You're the guy that
everyone leaves open, no one guards you. There are hours
and hours and hours of film of just you being
left wide open, in fact that anybody can just YouTube
or google or watch any Draymond game ever, and he's
opened all game. There are close of you getting a
rebound and just driving in a straight line and just
getting a white open laer because everyone's fanning out to
guard the actual talent on the teams. Talking about Steve
(20:28):
Kurr hinted your career, bro, Steve Kerr made your career.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
How dare you coming at me? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 8 (20:33):
Oh? Which I could give muscle on two hundred million
dollars with balls a coach.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know, the NBA.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Doesn't give coaches coaching jobs, and guys who may or
may not sucker punch on the players and staff.
Speaker 9 (20:41):
You need to fall back and Dre, let's just be
front of mees.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
He did end it very drain. That sound like that
sounded like all I'm gonna say is very much.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Austin Rivers is my new hero, period point blank. Why
so because I think that he took Draymond a part,
and rightfully so, Drape. The whole thing was ridiculous, and
that was why Austin Rivers you the right ridiculous. Okay,
plenty of players don't have plays drawn up for him
for them. And when I even talk to you about
(21:13):
the Ben Wallace when Larry Brown was there, they're not
going to redo the playbook because Ben Wallace ain't. What
do they do the first basket of the game, they
gave the ball had been whatever, and they went back.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
To doing what they done and rip off the curl exactly,
you know what I'm saying. So and then for him
to say they had comparable career, what was the player
of the country.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Comparable like college careers, not comparable? Lottery pick, second round pick,
nothing is comparable about those two and their basketball talent.
And I've said this before. He could have gone to
a lot of thirty other teams. Forget thirty, right, thirty
other teams, twenty five of the would not be where
(21:59):
he is. And up even when the Pistons offer him
all that money, you remember to come back home and play.
You think you think he was crazy? Right, he could
have got paid. He knew that him going there wouldn't
be anything. He's not that type of player. He's not
going to alter unchanged a franchise. He's a player who
(22:19):
has his own skill set and and it's valuable. But
come on, man, He's in a perfect situation. And of
course Tom Brady has the title of the low the
luckiest of all time. But Draymond Green is in that
class too. Everything is fortunate for him and it all
works out and that's why he is where he is.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh you got your ticket?
Speaker 8 (22:44):
Run?
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Are you ready? Yes? For the apology tour? Because this
is getting ready to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Draymond does this where he goes too far as takes
stuff personally, takes shots of people said too much and
any why didn't mean like that? Probably too you know,
I get it as an ex athlete. I probably what
you bought it to. DA Get ready to get your
tickets for the apology tour because you're gonna apologize to
what he said about Steve curR. That's coming because Steve
curR is in a very key critical moment of his
life right trying to figure out to do Do I
(23:11):
move on?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Do I stay with my family? Now? Do I come
back and coach again? Do I do do TV?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
And you're and then you're already out here like I
like him in all, but this is what I could
have been.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I could have been this that's coming.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
You think he's gonna be an apology tour to Austin
Rivers because I think he's gonna realize. Austin Rivers started
off complimenting him. His singular point was your IQ is
what made you great? I'm actually shocked you feel like this.
So he was complimenting them, saying, you have a great
skill set, you were masterful at what you did, one
of the best of all time at what you do.
So why was that necessarily a negative thing? So why
(23:42):
are you and your feelings about this? Are you an
NBA player, rob or is he a media member, because
part of being an NBA player is media members. Now
that Austin Reeves is, they criticize your game, criticized the thing.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
So why are you sensitive?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This is him talking about a player who's done or
said some stuff. So this, Drake, make up your mind,
your media, your player would doing here because Austin Rivers
says something about you, the player, that's.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
What that's his job. That's his job.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Dan Patrick didn't have him on to just shred you.
He wanted to get you. Austin Rivers is a is
a commentator. Now what did you make of that? That's
what he does.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
He gives an opinion about Rivers goes, well, I can't
answer that, or I don't want to say anything about
then guess what.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Austin Rivers won't be on the Dan Patrick Show. And
oh and exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And he didn't make it all personal bringing up your
dad and your this and your dad, that's personal.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
I stop being so sensitive.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
The person who talks the most about everybody who punches
and chokes people probably even being so sensitive.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Also, you were in a great situation where because you
were hyper focused on an individual, kind of a skill set,
the thing that you do best that made you a
Hall of Famer, Like, that's a good thing. You landed
in a position where you were able to focus on
being the offensive nighter. You got it going through you
to get the people.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's fine, that's a and the best defender on that
team for twelve fifteen years. Those are complimentary pieces that
get you in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You mentioned Ben Wallace, you mentioned a Dwight Howard, you
mentioned a Dennis Rodman. Like, dude, there is a place
for that. So the idea that has to be a
negative thing, I just don't get it. And lastly, if
Drayvond Green was a Washington Wizard of Charlotte horneer the
Detroit Piston during the Purgatory years, guess what would have happened.
He would have averaged eighteen points. I believe it. And
(25:29):
guess what would happened. He would have had a three
year career. You know why punching people, choking people, cussing
out coaches, running off teammates when it only works when
you got four rings. It doesn't work when you were
just a guy on a team that's winning twelve, eighteen
twenty five games. You would have been out of the league,
choking people, punching people, getting all the text get costing
a team with fines and penalties and all that you
(25:50):
would it would not have worked out. Take the blessing.
You don't have to make it person. Austin Reeves was
not trying to disrespect. And I don't want to keep
doing this tour with all these guys with the pod.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I'm sorry, I went too far. I'm sorry I said that.
My bad on that I don't I'm over it's so bad.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I'm with you and Austin, I'm shocked he would say that,
considering he's the high Q guy knows what his role
was right now, your dad and your dis and he like,
why are you making it personal?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
And a bell loud or whatever? He was. He was
a lottery pick.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Hey, you did Doc Rivers make him a lottery pick?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He was a high school player of the year. He
was a lottery pick. He only had to pay one
year and was a lottery pick. Yes, and and and
its career wasn't the greatest. It happens. But the idea
that like, you have to address him because.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
We talked about Christian Lada, who we think is one
of the top college players of all time.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
He didn't have a great NBA career either. It happened.
It happens.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If the idea that you have to go at one
of your guys and cat anybody that challenge you, he
says the wildest stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
He called what he called that ass? No, No he
didn't he did that was.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
It was?
Speaker 4 (26:58):
He said, No that McCoy shady McCoy called him.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, d drake, and I forgot what if he called out?
People talk about you gotta apologize. My whole point is, dude, like.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
What rob g what did he called the dak Because
now it's on the tip of my bum, That's what
I think. He said. It was a bum and he
I shouldn't do that. You know, he's playing.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I get it, especially coming from an athlete who knows, yeah,
he wins that. You know, he hasn't won in the
playoffs like that, but he wins at a high level.
Twelve and five three is like, I've just shocked that
for someone who acts like he's so enlightened and so
uh you know, intellectual, that he always has to go
back to the base the floor, you know, just.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
It's always in the gutter, and that's what he does.
He tries to claim like he's some new medium, so intellectual.
It's always run to the gutter and let me attack
anybody who has a foul I could have foul words
against everybody. As soon as somebody says anything about me,
I'm going to go there and attack them. And tell
(27:58):
you it reminds me of somebody else who's around who
does that, and like like you just cannot ever say
anything about them without them attacking you immediately.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
And that's where Draymond is.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
And go ahead, ESPN and inside the NBA and all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
You want to put that guy on and whatever. It's
so bad.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
It's so bad that they allow someone who's so immature,
so self centered, so mean spirited to be a voice
of the league and be you know what I mean,
have a voice like that.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
It's so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm just shocked to with the Steve Kerr Like, dude,
even if you feel that way, you have the absolute
right to feel that way. Yeah, but when did he
do it? Because Steve Kerr's on the rope too. He's
on the ropes trying to figure out his life. Like
we didn't been through battles together and in like now,
right now, I've stunted your growth and career. Like that's
a book, conversation, that's a podcast late, that's just one
on one you have him on the show and have
an honest conversation with him. But the idea that you
(28:51):
just I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing and
figure out life, and then you just add a little
fuel that's just unnecessary.
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