April 4, 2019 • 34 mins
It's the best of the Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker! On today's show, the guys talk about LeBron James and his increasing search for help to get his fourth ring. Chris and Rob get into a heated debate about the Packers and if they wasted the best years of Aaron Rodgers' career. After KD left LeBron off his all-time top five, we talk about whether he is right or not.
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You're listening to the best of the Odd Coup of
with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You got two at
most three years with Lebron James left at the top
of his game. Maybe one we'll see. I mean, age
hits people hard. What did I say when he came.
I said, if he doesn't win his first two years,
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he won't win, just because of the age thing and
all the miles on him and whatnot. I thought it
was very, very important, and I got the first year.
Everybody said, oh, they're gonna check it out or whatever.
But I was like, don't be expecting to win four
years from now. I thought it would be like, first year,
you try to figure it out. Put the second year,
you know, you have to be ready to try to
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win in that second year. Well, that's why their sights
are set on Anthony Davis because theoretically, if you get
Anthony Davis, you put shooters around him and Lebron, you're
in the mix next year. Now, whether you win it
or not, we'd have to see, but you would be
in the mix. And then the third and fourth years
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of Lebron's contract, as he begins to age and fade,
he'll still probably still be a pretty good, you know,
a good player. Ad could take the reins and be
the number one guy if he's got it in him,
but certainly he'll be at the prime of his career
and he'll be at the height of his physical basketball power.
So if that's the case, and you do get a
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d who right now is only twenty five years old,
then I do think you might have a shot in
that third or fourth year, just because he's so young
and he could become the man, and Lebron should still
be a pretty good player at that point. I'm just
I'm just the Lebron impact bothered me this year, and
that's what I'm looking at, the impact lack of impact.
He's putting up numbers, but it just didn't register. I
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thought that was the part that when you look at him,
it would be different, Chris if he was averaging eighteen,
a career low eighteen, and you know what I mean,
And he was definitely but he's putting up the numbers
and the team still wasn't able to win and beat
some teams that they needed to. That's what A lot
of that, A lot of that depends on what kind
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of stock, and none of us know for sure. But
you put into the reports that his injury was a
lot worse than he led on and that we were
led to believe by him playing like those numbers were
paying dividends before he got hurt. Now, I know you
pooh poo it because it was December twenty fifth, but
that's three months into the season, and I know they
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were only a couple of games ahead of you know what,
seventh or eight seed in the West. They were two
half game from night. But that's fine. But but yeah,
but they still, like before the injury, his numbers were
paying dividends, they were fourth seed. So you know, you're right,
and you've said before all the losses, you know, after
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he came back to bad teams, they still had a
chance to make the playoffs. Lebron came back. But again
I think that you know, it goes to how much
stock you put in. Okay, that's just Lebron now, He's
just not the same and that's why he couldn't carry
them to the playoffs even when he came back. Or
do you say, you know what, that injury was worse
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than we thought. He was playing through it and just
couldn't do the same things that he's normally does. And
of course you can't just throw away the impact that
the Anthony Davis trades like I had on his teammates,
and Lebron has something to do with that too. So
I do have that quote from Lebron. He want me
to read that? Yeah, okay, here's the exact quote from
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Lebron where he had mits that he needs another star
and basically it's adding another star in parentheses. Souls is
very critical to me and my future. Obviously the franchise
is going to live forever, but for me personally, it's
very critical because I want to compete, and I want
to compete now. End quote. I think that's that's he's
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right when he says I want to compete and pete repeat,
I mean compete now. Because he doesn't have a long
time and he has to be We saw some of
it where he can't play defense or he doesn't want
to play defense. I'm gonna say he can't play defense
more so than he doesn't want to or not as
well as he did, you know what I mean, Right,
he has to so when you add that to the mix,
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I just I'm just not sure that there's enough time.
And that's why, and I know everybody doesn't like it
when I bring it up. That's really why Chris I
thought the Paul George thing really hurt because if they
would have had him this year, it would it would
have made a huge difference. To me, they would have
made the playoff. Well beyond making the playoffs. Now, do
I think they would have been Golden State? Probably not,
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But I mean they would have been in the playoffs
and they would have been right there. I think with
anybody outside of the Warriors, there's no question. I mean,
if Paul George is having the type of season he's
having now, I definitely think that that would have been
the case. But yeah, I agree with you. I mean,
not getting Paul George. Now, look, maybe he was just
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completely blown away by his experience in Oklahoma City. I
think that's a guy we have to look at if
this continues, he may have some regrets. But the only
I mean, things aren't going well there. They're in a
swoon and they probably will go out in the first
round if they get Denver in a two seven matchup.
They got a good I think they got a chance
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to beat the Nuggets, but don't think about in the
first round. That's a problem. The only thing is, and
this is why I don't think he'll have regrets, is
that he wouldn't even meet with them. I mean, when
you don't even like like there was nothing magic in
those I could say. So it would be different if
you if you went and heard this field and they
told you the game planning and what they were gonna do,
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and then you know what I mean, and then you
turned it down. He had no no inkling whatsoever, no
no desire after for two years talking about coming to LA.
You know what I mean that he did last part
of it. Your last point is what makes And I
don't know, and he may not have any regrets, hopefully
for do you know what I'm saying, Like, well, I
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see I disagree because I think the fact that he
grew up wanting to play in LA. Now I know
he was a Clippers fan, but he grew up winning
the play LA for He was saying for the past
few years that he wants to play for the Lakers,
and then something changed. But if it doesn't go well
in Oklahoma City, are you happy going out in the
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first round every year? You could have been playing with
Lebron James and probably getting almost certainly getting much deeper
in the playoffs. What did glamour franchise in the city
where you grew up. But he might be looking at
and say, what a mess and a disaster. That's why
I didn't go there. That being around Lebron is toxic.
He wanted to trade the whole. I'm just saying, look
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at it the other way and saying, Lebron went to
LA and couldn't even make the playoffs. I mean, wow,
Well Lebron got hurt too. I mean, we can't keep
dismissing the fact that he after he was injured too,
after he came back, they he couldn't but to say
Lebron James, I mean half the team. Did you hear
Isaiah Thomas? Did you see his quote? No, a complete
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failure what he said. We've all said that. But there
are reasons it's not in a vacuum. They're reasons for it.
He was injured, Linzo Ball was injured, Brandon Ingram was injured,
you know, Rayjon Rondo was injured. Then the Anthony Davis
trade saga threw everybody into a funk. Wherever you want
to look at it, that's a fact. And I'm not
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absolving Lebron because it was definitely a complete failure. But
I just it's not going swimmingly in Oklahoma City. That's
all I'm saying. You're in the no man's land and
you're not winning well. But I'm just saying, let's see
how yeah that for four games. You don't know, Let's
see how that goes for four games. Now, everything don't
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have to be a bet. Just watch it. I just
don't All I'm throwing out is that Paul Jordan. I'm
not saying he regrets it right now. I'm just saying,
if things continue to go this way in Oklahoma City,
they were going really very well. You don't give the
Lakers credit for going very well or not in December.
I mean that was that was That was December twenty fifth,
that's almost halfway through the season. That's not halfway through
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thirty four games. That's not halfway almost that's eight games under.
That's not even eight games, seven games the midway point.
I just didn't think that they were firm in the
fourth spot and they were going to be there all year.
I didn't buy into that. So we could agree to
disagree on that. I just wasn't there. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard
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Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. There
was a great article today in Bleacher Report about the
relationship between Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers that of course
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ended when McCarthy was fired during late in the season
last year. And I thought it was eye opening, and
you know, there was talk of the report had you
know that Rogers really never liked McCarthy because he remembers
when McCarthy was with San Francisco and they drafted Alex
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Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers that as soon as right
or McCarthy took over the Packers as head coach, Rogers
resented him. There were reports there was The report said
that McCarthy at times would not be in team meeting.
He would let his assistance run them while he was
getting a massage in his office. I mean, it is
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a damn me paint a damning portrait of Mike McCarthy,
And it's obviously because a lot of people felt like
as the years went on that McCarthy was less not
less imaginative, but he just didn't change with the times,
and he didn't adjust his offense to the new NFL,
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to some of their players like Greg Jennings ar colleague
at FS one, some of these guys moving on and
leaving the Packers, and as they lost talent, he never
adjusted his offense and got more and more creative and
imaginative as teams around the league were doing it, and
that Rogers was just win it at times, changing plays,
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you know, just ignoring McCarthy's play calls just being a
gun slinger and creating stuff on his own, which a
lot of people have watched them and said Rogers saving
him by doing it on his own. But it seems
like there was a lot of truth to that, and
it was almost built into their structure as a team.
And the question Rob that I wanted to throw out.
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In addition, to getting your thoughts on the article. I
mean when I read this, and I kind of felt
it before, but I feel like the Packers have wasted
the best. Now, Aaron Rodgers still in his prime. He's
what thirty five years old, He's still got a long
way to go, but he's two thirds of the way
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at least, if not three quarters of the way through
his career. And I would argue that they wasted it.
You got one super Bowl with a guy that many
thinks is the best to ever throw the rock at
his position. Yeah, it's hard for me to get on
board with that. Should they have been better in some
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other areas? I agree with that one super Bowl and
one super Ball A lot of years, a lot of
guys don't even win one. Dan Marino doesn't, don't go there. No,
I'm just no, I'm just making the I'm winning in
the championship. It means nothing. I'm not gonna make an excuse.
I'm just trying to give you that. I'm I'm trying
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to look at it fairly, and I'm gonna say that, no,
I'm looking at it fairly. From this Damn, who do
with Lebrown? And I do all the time and That's
why I said they weren't making the playoffs, because I
looked at it fairly said they were gonna be No,
I did not, No, I did. I didn't say with
three weeks to three weeks before it happened, I said, what,
they weren't going to do it. But anyway, let's just
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get to this point. Uh. I think they were. They
were in position, and I get it. With the McCarthy.
I used to talk to Aaron Rodgers after games where
they played the Lions, and the first thing I always
say to him would be, like the play calling, Like
you know what. I used to ask him about the
play calling because some of it didn't make sense to me, right,
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they just didn't. And I'm not making this up or
telling you this, Chris, I'm telling I used to go
right after the game in Detroit sometime and just be like, well, well,
I just don't understand what's going on, or how come
guys are running so much and you get throw the football?
I don't get it. But anyway, McCarthy, I guess they
thought he would have gone quietly right, and he won
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a Super Bowl and not not kind of mess his
name up in Green Bay. But as soon as I guess,
he decided that he was going to take some shots.
The organization did what I think they should have done,
which is that they looked exactly and they pounced on him.
Am I right, They absolutely did, and they made him
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look bad. He looked bad after after. He didn't have
to go there because this was the first interview he
really given right since he was fired. Yeah, and basically
going there, he said he didn't think they handled his
firing the right way right like he thought he should
have at least got the rest of the season. And no,
when they lost to Arizona as bad as Arizona was
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in Green Bay, that's a fireball effect. Chris. I wasn't
shocked that he got fired that night. When I saw
the score that they lost Arizona at home, I was like, Okay,
this is it, because remember they hadn't won a game
all year on the road up up until that point.
They were just the team was slipping away. But but
the other part that you're talking about is there were
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so many opportunities where maybe they just didn't fix the
defense because they got they had chances to get to
the Super Bowl a few times, Chris, and you remember
this there was the time that, uh, they were going
to beat Seattle. All they had to do was catch
the on side kick in that game, and you remember
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the tight end knocked it away from Jordy Nelson, remember,
and uh they recovered it. That was That was. That
was twenty fourteen. They were supposed to go to the
Super Bowl. They had but they didn't. But they didn't
get there. There was twenty sixteen, only a couple of
years ago when again Aaron Rodgers played right down the stretch.
They were ready to go. They beat Dallas in Dallas
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thirty four thirty one. You remember Aaron Rodgers made the
great throw to keep the drive alive and they get
the game winning field goal. They win that game. They
go to Atlanta. The defense the row to Jared Cook, right,
you remember that it was a great throw. The defense
went up in the huddle according to this. I believe it.
I totally believe it. And then they give up forty
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four points in that game. And then when I look
at their playoffs, every time they got knocked out of
the playoffs. As you go on, it was either the
defense gave up forty points or Chris they lost it.
This is the last twenty fifteen, lost in overtime, twenty sixteen,
twenty fourteen, lost in overtime, twenty thirteen lost on a
walkoff field goal by the forty nine ers, twenty twelve,
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the defense gave up forty five points. And then of
course they won the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen, and
then two thousand and nine they lost in overtime where
the defense gave up fifty one points. So all I'm
saying is, were they in the mix during the Aaron
Rodgers thereon? Enough? When you got Aaron Rodgers? I just so.
So they're winning six Super Bowls? Okay, and Russell Russell
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Wilson had the legion of boom. How many super Bowls
did they win with with with a great defense? How
many did they win? One? Okay? So when you look
at his run, there have they wasted Russell Wilson? And no,
because the run hasn't been as long and Russell Wilson
is also not as good as Aaron Rodgers. So so
when they did waste I will say, did they did
waste the one super Bowl they should go on? When
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he threw that interception? Yeah, I mean that I wouldn't
say wasted, but yeah, that would they screwed up, but
should have won that Super Bowl. But when you say that,
you're right, he's not as great as Aaron Rodgers. But
he had an all time great defense that if you
had the right quarterback that it could manage it, they
should have won. They should have won more than one
super Bowl, is what I'm saying. If I look at
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that run, that's that's comparable. First of my that was
what five year period, four years with with the best
defense in the league. It was about five years. We'll
look at it. But and and and Rogers you had
ten years with him. And here's my thing. If you
have you can't waste again. Russell Wilson is great, probably
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on his way to the Hall of Fame. But he's
not Aaron Rodgers. Let's not even I'm not saying. What
I'm talking about when you talk about wasting yea position
a lot is when you have a talent like an
Aaron Rodgers, you have got to go all out to
win as much as possible. And if you know that
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the head coach is not showing up to meetings because
he's getting a massage, If you know that the star
quarterback doesn't think the head coach knows what he's talking about.
It is changing the plays, is drawing up plays in
the huddle, is just scrambling and making lemonade out of
lemons half of the game. Then get rid of the
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coach problems. Were coaching there? Who can maximize your all
time great quarterback? That's what I'm saying. It was a waste.
When you say that the only problem is they were
winning the division every year, that's not I'm just saying
I got Rogers Indivision after the fact when they were
dominating the division and gone in eighteen yards to go
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to the NFC five, eight, seven and one, twelve and four,
ten and six, ten and six. That's not dominated. That
they won the division like eight times in the ten
and six is not comin in eighteen How many times
did they win the division in those years? Can't believe you.
I don't. I don't look at it the same way.
I don't look at the same day after day. I
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don't look talking about how it's championship or bust. I'm not.
You don't give Lebron James credit for going to eighth
straight finals. You say they didn't win and now you're
gonna see here and defend the Packers Pitsport record of
one Super Ball with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback for
ten years. I don't look at Chris you're talking about
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in a you just we just saw this this year
with Lebron. He was playing in a thing where he
could get to the UH the championship, playing in the
Leastern Conference. I'm not that impressed by that, the eight trips,
because every time he got bad division championship, you have
to arguably the best quarterback. I'm not I'm not impressed
by going to eight and every time you went to
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the arena, be if you got in a division chance
you got your head handed to you. All I'm saying
is you had a coach that won a super Bowl
early on in this What do you always say, if
he never wait, never one, maybe I would buy into that.
What do you always say? I don't know what. Anybody
can win one. There's no doubt about that. So don't
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get me. Don't. On the other hand, tell me how
McCarthy is so great because he won one Super Bowl.
I know when anybody can win us saying he should
go to the Hall of Fame. But for you to
sit here and do a after the fact of revisionist
history to say that, because you're saying you would fire
coach that went to two NFC championships and won a
super Bowl. No, Andy Reid. Right now, Andy Reid hasn't
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won jack though he hasn't won a super Bowl. It's
totally different. And he's never won, Chris, what are you
talking about? Andy Reid has never won a Super Bowl?
Does same? You said, fire coach? Anybody champion, anybody, anybody
could be can win one. But you know what, Andy
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Reid hasn't won one. You ain't being consistent. I have consistent.
They have wasted two thirds to three quarters of Aaron
Rodd you got one. Disagree with you? I disagree. You
need more. I think you gotta look at how everything
went down to be honest with yourself. Did they not
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have the best defense for him? Absolutely? Now got a
better defense. But they also the way that they got
to all these places sponsible for their belief was that
they they built their team from within. They once had
a team that had every player was drafted except for two,
and they won. They used to win the mix every one.
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That's what I'm telling you. One winning you could you
got a revisionist history and during it was going to
truth nobody. You're the only one who said, Andy, I mean,
you only want to say that Mike McCarthy should have
been fired when they were winning division. You're crazy, Chris
really ain't even yes he I'm saying an organization after
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they lost all time great quarterback, after they lost because
of because the guy didn't get to the outside kick,
that you'd fire the coach. I'm saying it all. I'm
saying it after the fact because I wasn't in. I
didn't know the inner workings of the organization. But if
I know the inner workings of the organization, I know
my all time great quarterback doesn't think that the coach
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knows anything wasted. I know that. I know that that
coach is missing team meetings to get massages. I know
that Dade, I'm getting rid of him. Don Shuli should
have bes fired, so on your own time. Don Shula
should have been fired then because he wasted Dann Marino's career,
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right quarter. I don't know if Don he wasn't in
team meeting they didn't win. Why Shula wasn't in team
meetings they didn't win. I never heard Dan Marino say
Don Shula didn't know what he was doing. I never
heard Dan Marino was ignoring Don Shula's play calls and
and drawing up plays on his own and thinking he
don't know what he's talking about. That's my point. When
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you're running an organization and you know this message going on,
then you gotta be better because you cover sports, and
you know, you know the behind the scene stuff. You
know the behind the scenes stuff on a lot of
these teams. And I could go on and on. I know,
I could go on and on and on about teams
that great teams and what goes on behind the scenes,
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and there's a lot of bad stuff that goes on.
Who they did? They should have won more Super as
one player X teammaking an article who said Aaron Rodgers
should have won six Super Bowls at that time, All right,
like the Super Bowl they should have three. Maybe if
they were cheating like the Patriots, they would have won three. Yeah. Whatever.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker week days at seven
pm Eastern four pm Pacific. Rob let's get back to
Lebron James. Although he's not really the star of this segment.
It is Kevin Durant. Can call him his chief rival,
the chief rocker, Lebron's chief rival. I'd say that, who
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are you, especially since he owns Lebron. Well, he's got
a little bit of hell. I'm just all I know
is he can be a jump. He's gang and they
he ain't beating him one on one. He got he
got the two MVP got and he got that jumper
in Lebron's mug that still got them light skin. Look
at that nights King. Guys always need help. Yeah, right right,
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all right, here we go. KD was on a podcast
recently with remember the Clippers guys, uh, Darius Miles and
Quentin Richardson. Yes, I remember those guys. Yeah yeah, they
still have a podcast. Well, they got it. I don't
know if it's new. I think it's relatively new, whatever
the case. They had Kevin Durant on and he gave
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his all time top five players and Lebron James was
not on the list. Now, in fairness, I just gotta
throw this out. You can discount it if you want.
I'm just discount it, but I gotta throw it out.
Two things about his list number one. He did say
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that he likes to wait till the player's career is
done before he, you know, puts him on the all
time list. His quote is, I like to put these
dudes in there when they retire. That's when I really
want to watch Lebron this season. I thought he retired
at the end of the year. Okay. I was waiting
to see if Kawhi thought that was funny. I get
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Kawhi thought it was funny, but oh man, all right?
Then he said he also said this, which I think
is important and this may shed some light on his
list as well. He said, I'm really talking about their skills, okay.
So he liked to judge his list by kind of
the five greatest skill players. I'm looking at here's a
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quote from you. I'm looking at it from a pure
skills standpoint. It's a toss up Hakim. It's more my
taste though, and they's talking about Hikim Elis Rand. So
let me give you a list route Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
Shaquille O'Neill, Hakim elij Jwan, and Magic Johnson. And he said,
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definitively Kobe's number two easy in his words easy number two,
and the proper use of that world would be easily. Yeah,
but easy, easy money sniper, I don't know if you're
good grammar, KD good grammars essential. That's one of his nicknames.
Easy money Sniper's actually his low his handle what it's easily,
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it's not easy. I'm sure that's correct, But I don't
need to hear his grammar lesson from Rob Parker. Don't
you remember, Hey, wait a minute, this is a TV
theme song. Thursday, there's a Batman episode and Catwoman is
about she's cat Woman is on like this strutch, just
like thing that's gonna fly out the window right to
get away, and and they're about to take off and
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Batman runs into the room and Robin goes, you can't
get away from Batman that easy, And Batman looks at
him and goes, Robin, it's easily. Good Grammar's essential. I'm
telling you that true. Yes, that was in the show.
That's why Batman was my favorite. Yes, he got the
good grammar, and he got to crime and he had
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Catwoman and that's right, all right, there you go a
leather suit. Look at you, Chris, You sound a little
uh you know she got sense what you said that
she was fine and christ was like that leather suit
on Cat one. I'm a little boist right now. He
was fine in that leather suit. You're afraid, Chris, you
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might need like a cold towel or something. All was
he not? Chris? Were you want? Were you smoking cigarettes?
After watching that woman? Was not? What was her name?
I don't even know who who that was? There were
three cat women. The Eartha kid was the kid, right,
I'm not talking about she was nicely, but I'm not
talking her. Julie Julie knew Mar, thank you. It might
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be the one. And uh, the other one was bubb
who was on Barnaby Jones, Oh my god, uh Lee Merryweather.
Those were the three. I'm getting it was Julie Neemar. No,
it was yeah, yeah, okay, that she was the main
one that we saw. So was I wrong? Am I lion? No?
I'm just just you sounded a little different than you normally.
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I'm just saying that's all I said. I thought. I
just thought to myself, as this a you know, worship
Wednesday or not. But Chris is sounding like a little
uh like I ain't going to magic city, which next time,
I'm gonna get it twisted, all right, Hey, next year
in Miami, Chris, No, I'm gonna break you down next year. No,
you know that. You know that ain't all right. Let's
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get back to it, okay. So I'm gonna give you
my quick take on this with k D, and then
I want to get yours. Obviously, I like it. I
like it now. I don't know if k D is
really just being honest that hey, I didn't even consider
Lebron because he's still playing, or if he throw in
a little shade Lebron's way, if he just doesn't think
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Lebron's one of the five best players to ever played
a game, or what. But I do know this, Kevin
Durant thinks he's better than Lebron James. And it didn't
take that jump shot in the game the first finals
appearance between Golden State and Cleveland when KYD played for
him to think that. No, I understand that season thinking
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he's better than Lebron and he couldn't wait to show
it in the finals. But that's a nice little piece
to have, That's all I'm saying. No, No, I agree,
but I like that KD it's kind of like, yo,
let's compete. Let's do it. I'm trying to beat Lebron
and all the talk and Rob I said it earlier
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in the show. I mean, I'm hearing the Knicks think
they got Kevin Durant. I'm hearing people close to Durant
are saying he's going to New York. I'm hearing the
Knicks are gonna make their draft pick first, second, third,
whatever it is based on the knowledge that they got
Kevin Durant coming. So if he goes to the Knicks,
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that's just one more sign that Katie wants to compete,
he wants to beat Lebron. I think Katie is like, look,
I want to be regarded as the best player of
this era. Now I don't think he's better than Lebron.
I mean, now he might be, but I mean, like
career wise, if he goes to New York and they
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win a championship, people will look at this era. If
they went again this year and say he won three
in a row and he beat Lebron twice and he
went to the Knicks. Wevan won since nineteen seventy three,
and he got that team. No matter how it's put
together and they won a championship. People will look at
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this era and I don't know if he wins, you know,
if he wins at least one, but people will look
at this and go, he had more more championship then
Lebron had. No there's no doubt he would if that,
if what you said becomes, he would have more. But
I don't personally think, now, let's let it play out.
You know, who knows what KD ends up doing in
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terms of wins and winning and all that. But I
just think watching them, I think Lebron's a better player.
Number one, or you know, has been throughout his career,
and I think number two Lebron is iconic. KD is not.
It's kind of like, and I'm not saying Lebron is
necessarily Muhammed Ali, but like Ali was an icon, I'm
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just saying Ali was an icon. Larry Holmes came after
Ali and had a better record than Ali and was
a great champion himself. Yeah but he didn't, but you
got it. But nobody ever viewed him as better than Ali.
But he beat Ali. Ali was obviously old when Heat,
but he also beat nothing. But also, and I'm not
blaming Heat, Holmes didn't beat as Holmes beat some good fighters.
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He he beat a lot of gods. Norton he not
beat him. Jerry Cooney would be the great white Hole.
He was terrible. Jerry Cooney had destroyed can Text Cobb,
all these god but ho Naldo Snipes no a boxing fans.
Nobody was a bad boy, Nobody Michael Speed. Nobody ever
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thought he was the greatest fighter he played, No no
but but part of it's because he followed an icon.
And even though he had a better record, even though
he beat Ali, even though there were stories that he
used to beat Ali when they sparred and Ali was
still a champion, nobody ever considered him better than Ali
because Ali was iconic. Larry Holmes was not. And I'm
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just saying, I wonder if that could be end up
being the case with Lebron and KD. I'm just throwing
it out, Okay, just throwing it out. Yeah, I'm not
I'm not so sure I'm buying that, but I would
say it just depends if he goes Okay, So for
all the people had an issue with him going to
the Warriors, say they won the three in a row.
So he went to a great team and not only
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not only did they he go there, but they continue
to win at an unbelievable rate. They won three in
a row. Say he wins the MVP three years at
the row in the NBA Finals with Steph Curry and
all these other guys that are on the team, and
then he decides to go to New York and says okay,
and he wins there, and he turns out around this
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sad sack organization for all these years and they win
a championship. People will have to look at him differently.
I really believe that that's all. I mean, he's got
a chance. And somebody argue he already is. He got
a chance to be like a top ten player of
all times. Yes, about is incredible. We've never seen anything
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like it, you know, and you know it's gonna be
interesting to what he does. But I do like this.
There are a lot of people out there that think
Durant isn't tough, is soft, that he's not tough enough.
He's sensitive, that's what sensitive. That's what hurts him a
lot because a lot of guys just said, du these
way too sensitive, right. But also I think a lot
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of people think he's just not tough enough to carry
a team to a championship. Because as good as he
was in the finals, he was the finals MVP twice,
you can't really say he carried them. I mean, they're
a great team in their own right now, but they
went to the finals two early on, and I know
they didn't win, they lost four to one. But I
think that now, with the experience and all the stuff
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that he's done, I think he has a shot. No,
I do too. I'm just saying that right now. That's
a narrative that people have out there that they don't
think he can carry that team. I agree with you.
I think he can, but he's got to show it,
you know, And if he shows it, yeah, it could
be interested. I like though to him coming out with
this kind of I don't want the team with Lebron.
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I want to beat Lebron, right. I love that in him,
and we'll see if he can actually do that without
those two light skin brothers and Draymond Green having his back.
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You're listening to the best of the Odd Coup of
with Chris Brush and Rod Harker. You got two at
most three years with Lebron James left at the top
of his game. Maybe one we'll see. I mean, age
hits people hard. What did I say when he came.
I said, if he doesn't win his first two years,
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he won't win, just because of the age thing and
all the miles on him and whatnot. I thought it
was very, very important, and I got the first year.
Everybody said, oh, they're gonna check it out or whatever.
But I was like, don't be expecting to win four
years from now. I thought it would be like, first year,
you try to figure it out. Put the second year,
you know, you have to be ready to try to
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win in that second year. Well, that's why their sights
are set on Anthony Davis because theoretically, if you get
Anthony Davis, you put shooters around him and Lebron, you're
in the mix next year. Now, whether you win it
or not, we'd have to see, but you would be
in the mix. And then the third and fourth years
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of Lebron's contract, as he begins to age and fade,
he'll still probably still be a pretty good, you know,
a good player. Ad could take the reins and be
the number one guy if he's got it in him,
but certainly he'll be at the prime of his career
and he'll be at the height of his physical basketball power.
So if that's the case, and you do get a
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d who right now is only twenty five years old,
then I do think you might have a shot in
that third or fourth year, just because he's so young
and he could become the man, and Lebron should still
be a pretty good player at that point. I'm just
I'm just the Lebron impact bothered me this year, and
that's what I'm looking at, the impact lack of impact.
He's putting up numbers, but it just didn't register. I
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thought that was the part that when you look at him,
it would be different, Chris if he was averaging eighteen,
a career low eighteen, and you know what I mean,
And he was definitely but he's putting up the numbers
and the team still wasn't able to win and beat
some teams that they needed to. That's what A lot
of that, A lot of that depends on what kind
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of stock, and none of us know for sure. But
you put into the reports that his injury was a
lot worse than he led on and that we were
led to believe by him playing like those numbers were
paying dividends before he got hurt. Now, I know you
pooh poo it because it was December twenty fifth, but
that's three months into the season, and I know they
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were only a couple of games ahead of you know what,
seventh or eight seed in the West. They were two
half game from night. But that's fine. But but yeah,
but they still, like before the injury, his numbers were
paying dividends, they were fourth seed. So you know, you're right,
and you've said before all the losses, you know, after
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he came back to bad teams, they still had a
chance to make the playoffs. Lebron came back. But again
I think that you know, it goes to how much
stock you put in. Okay, that's just Lebron now, He's
just not the same and that's why he couldn't carry
them to the playoffs even when he came back. Or
do you say, you know what, that injury was worse
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than we thought. He was playing through it and just
couldn't do the same things that he's normally does. And
of course you can't just throw away the impact that
the Anthony Davis trades like I had on his teammates,
and Lebron has something to do with that too. So
I do have that quote from Lebron. He want me
to read that? Yeah, okay, here's the exact quote from
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Lebron where he had mits that he needs another star
and basically it's adding another star in parentheses. Souls is
very critical to me and my future. Obviously the franchise
is going to live forever, but for me personally, it's
very critical because I want to compete, and I want
to compete now. End quote. I think that's that's he's
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right when he says I want to compete and pete repeat,
I mean compete now. Because he doesn't have a long
time and he has to be We saw some of
it where he can't play defense or he doesn't want
to play defense. I'm gonna say he can't play defense
more so than he doesn't want to or not as
well as he did, you know what I mean, Right,
he has to so when you add that to the mix,
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I just I'm just not sure that there's enough time.
And that's why, and I know everybody doesn't like it
when I bring it up. That's really why Chris I
thought the Paul George thing really hurt because if they
would have had him this year, it would it would
have made a huge difference. To me, they would have
made the playoff. Well beyond making the playoffs. Now, do
I think they would have been Golden State? Probably not,
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But I mean they would have been in the playoffs
and they would have been right there. I think with
anybody outside of the Warriors, there's no question. I mean,
if Paul George is having the type of season he's
having now, I definitely think that that would have been
the case. But yeah, I agree with you. I mean,
not getting Paul George. Now, look, maybe he was just
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completely blown away by his experience in Oklahoma City. I
think that's a guy we have to look at if
this continues, he may have some regrets. But the only
I mean, things aren't going well there. They're in a
swoon and they probably will go out in the first
round if they get Denver in a two seven matchup.
They got a good I think they got a chance
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to beat the Nuggets, but don't think about in the
first round. That's a problem. The only thing is, and
this is why I don't think he'll have regrets, is
that he wouldn't even meet with them. I mean, when
you don't even like like there was nothing magic in
those I could say. So it would be different if
you if you went and heard this field and they
told you the game planning and what they were gonna do,
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and then you know what I mean, and then you
turned it down. He had no no inkling whatsoever, no
no desire after for two years talking about coming to LA.
You know what I mean that he did last part
of it. Your last point is what makes And I
don't know, and he may not have any regrets, hopefully
for do you know what I'm saying, Like, well, I
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see I disagree because I think the fact that he
grew up wanting to play in LA. Now I know
he was a Clippers fan, but he grew up winning
the play LA for He was saying for the past
few years that he wants to play for the Lakers,
and then something changed. But if it doesn't go well
in Oklahoma City, are you happy going out in the
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first round every year? You could have been playing with
Lebron James and probably getting almost certainly getting much deeper
in the playoffs. What did glamour franchise in the city
where you grew up. But he might be looking at
and say, what a mess and a disaster. That's why
I didn't go there. That being around Lebron is toxic.
He wanted to trade the whole. I'm just saying, look
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at it the other way and saying, Lebron went to
LA and couldn't even make the playoffs. I mean, wow,
Well Lebron got hurt too. I mean, we can't keep
dismissing the fact that he after he was injured too,
after he came back, they he couldn't but to say
Lebron James, I mean half the team. Did you hear
Isaiah Thomas? Did you see his quote? No, a complete
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failure what he said. We've all said that. But there
are reasons it's not in a vacuum. They're reasons for it.
He was injured, Linzo Ball was injured, Brandon Ingram was injured,
you know, Rayjon Rondo was injured. Then the Anthony Davis
trade saga threw everybody into a funk. Wherever you want
to look at it, that's a fact. And I'm not
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absolving Lebron because it was definitely a complete failure. But
I just it's not going swimmingly in Oklahoma City. That's
all I'm saying. You're in the no man's land and
you're not winning well. But I'm just saying, let's see
how yeah that for four games. You don't know, Let's
see how that goes for four games. Now, everything don't
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have to be a bet. Just watch it. I just
don't All I'm throwing out is that Paul Jordan. I'm
not saying he regrets it right now. I'm just saying,
if things continue to go this way in Oklahoma City,
they were going really very well. You don't give the
Lakers credit for going very well or not in December.
I mean that was that was That was December twenty fifth,
that's almost halfway through the season. That's not halfway through
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thirty four games. That's not halfway almost that's eight games under.
That's not even eight games, seven games the midway point.
I just didn't think that they were firm in the
fourth spot and they were going to be there all year.
I didn't buy into that. So we could agree to
disagree on that. I just wasn't there. Be sure to
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catch live editions of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard
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was a great article today in Bleacher Report about the
relationship between Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers that of course
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ended when McCarthy was fired during late in the season
last year. And I thought it was eye opening, and
you know, there was talk of the report had you
know that Rogers really never liked McCarthy because he remembers
when McCarthy was with San Francisco and they drafted Alex
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Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers that as soon as right
or McCarthy took over the Packers as head coach, Rogers
resented him. There were reports there was The report said
that McCarthy at times would not be in team meeting.
He would let his assistance run them while he was
getting a massage in his office. I mean, it is
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a damn me paint a damning portrait of Mike McCarthy,
And it's obviously because a lot of people felt like
as the years went on that McCarthy was less not
less imaginative, but he just didn't change with the times,
and he didn't adjust his offense to the new NFL,
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to some of their players like Greg Jennings ar colleague
at FS one, some of these guys moving on and
leaving the Packers, and as they lost talent, he never
adjusted his offense and got more and more creative and
imaginative as teams around the league were doing it, and
that Rogers was just win it at times, changing plays,
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you know, just ignoring McCarthy's play calls just being a
gun slinger and creating stuff on his own, which a
lot of people have watched them and said Rogers saving
him by doing it on his own. But it seems
like there was a lot of truth to that, and
it was almost built into their structure as a team.
And the question Rob that I wanted to throw out.
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In addition, to getting your thoughts on the article. I
mean when I read this, and I kind of felt
it before, but I feel like the Packers have wasted
the best. Now, Aaron Rodgers still in his prime. He's
what thirty five years old, He's still got a long
way to go, but he's two thirds of the way
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at least, if not three quarters of the way through
his career. And I would argue that they wasted it.
You got one super Bowl with a guy that many
thinks is the best to ever throw the rock at
his position. Yeah, it's hard for me to get on
board with that. Should they have been better in some
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other areas? I agree with that one super Bowl and
one super Ball A lot of years, a lot of
guys don't even win one. Dan Marino doesn't, don't go there. No,
I'm just no, I'm just making the I'm winning in
the championship. It means nothing. I'm not gonna make an excuse.
I'm just trying to give you that. I'm I'm trying
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to look at it fairly, and I'm gonna say that, no,
I'm looking at it fairly. From this Damn, who do
with Lebrown? And I do all the time and That's
why I said they weren't making the playoffs, because I
looked at it fairly said they were gonna be No,
I did not, No, I did. I didn't say with
three weeks to three weeks before it happened, I said, what,
they weren't going to do it. But anyway, let's just
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get to this point. Uh. I think they were. They
were in position, and I get it. With the McCarthy.
I used to talk to Aaron Rodgers after games where
they played the Lions, and the first thing I always
say to him would be, like the play calling, Like
you know what. I used to ask him about the
play calling because some of it didn't make sense to me, right,
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they just didn't. And I'm not making this up or
telling you this, Chris, I'm telling I used to go
right after the game in Detroit sometime and just be like, well, well,
I just don't understand what's going on, or how come
guys are running so much and you get throw the football?
I don't get it. But anyway, McCarthy, I guess they
thought he would have gone quietly right, and he won
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a Super Bowl and not not kind of mess his
name up in Green Bay. But as soon as I guess,
he decided that he was going to take some shots.
The organization did what I think they should have done,
which is that they looked exactly and they pounced on him.
Am I right, They absolutely did, and they made him
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look bad. He looked bad after after. He didn't have
to go there because this was the first interview he
really given right since he was fired. Yeah, and basically
going there, he said he didn't think they handled his
firing the right way right like he thought he should
have at least got the rest of the season. And no,
when they lost to Arizona as bad as Arizona was
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in Green Bay, that's a fireball effect. Chris. I wasn't
shocked that he got fired that night. When I saw
the score that they lost Arizona at home, I was like, Okay,
this is it, because remember they hadn't won a game
all year on the road up up until that point.
They were just the team was slipping away. But but
the other part that you're talking about is there were
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so many opportunities where maybe they just didn't fix the
defense because they got they had chances to get to
the Super Bowl a few times, Chris, and you remember
this there was the time that, uh, they were going
to beat Seattle. All they had to do was catch
the on side kick in that game, and you remember
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the tight end knocked it away from Jordy Nelson, remember,
and uh they recovered it. That was That was. That
was twenty fourteen. They were supposed to go to the
Super Bowl. They had but they didn't. But they didn't
get there. There was twenty sixteen, only a couple of
years ago when again Aaron Rodgers played right down the stretch.
They were ready to go. They beat Dallas in Dallas
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thirty four thirty one. You remember Aaron Rodgers made the
great throw to keep the drive alive and they get
the game winning field goal. They win that game. They
go to Atlanta. The defense the row to Jared Cook, right,
you remember that it was a great throw. The defense
went up in the huddle according to this. I believe it.
I totally believe it. And then they give up forty
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four points in that game. And then when I look
at their playoffs, every time they got knocked out of
the playoffs. As you go on, it was either the
defense gave up forty points or Chris they lost it.
This is the last twenty fifteen, lost in overtime, twenty sixteen,
twenty fourteen, lost in overtime, twenty thirteen lost on a
walkoff field goal by the forty nine ers, twenty twelve,
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the defense gave up forty five points. And then of
course they won the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen, and
then two thousand and nine they lost in overtime where
the defense gave up fifty one points. So all I'm
saying is, were they in the mix during the Aaron
Rodgers thereon? Enough? When you got Aaron Rodgers? I just so.
So they're winning six Super Bowls? Okay, and Russell Russell
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Wilson had the legion of boom. How many super Bowls
did they win with with with a great defense? How
many did they win? One? Okay? So when you look
at his run, there have they wasted Russell Wilson? And no,
because the run hasn't been as long and Russell Wilson
is also not as good as Aaron Rodgers. So so
when they did waste I will say, did they did
waste the one super Bowl they should go on? When
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he threw that interception? Yeah, I mean that I wouldn't
say wasted, but yeah, that would they screwed up, but
should have won that Super Bowl. But when you say that,
you're right, he's not as great as Aaron Rodgers. But
he had an all time great defense that if you
had the right quarterback that it could manage it, they
should have won. They should have won more than one
super Bowl, is what I'm saying. If I look at
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that run, that's that's comparable. First of my that was
what five year period, four years with with the best
defense in the league. It was about five years. We'll
look at it. But and and and Rogers you had
ten years with him. And here's my thing. If you
have you can't waste again. Russell Wilson is great, probably
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on his way to the Hall of Fame. But he's
not Aaron Rodgers. Let's not even I'm not saying. What
I'm talking about when you talk about wasting yea position
a lot is when you have a talent like an
Aaron Rodgers, you have got to go all out to
win as much as possible. And if you know that
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the head coach is not showing up to meetings because
he's getting a massage, If you know that the star
quarterback doesn't think the head coach knows what he's talking about.
It is changing the plays, is drawing up plays in
the huddle, is just scrambling and making lemonade out of
lemons half of the game. Then get rid of the
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coach problems. Were coaching there? Who can maximize your all
time great quarterback? That's what I'm saying. It was a waste.
When you say that the only problem is they were
winning the division every year, that's not I'm just saying
I got Rogers Indivision after the fact when they were
dominating the division and gone in eighteen yards to go
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to the NFC five, eight, seven and one, twelve and four,
ten and six, ten and six. That's not dominated. That
they won the division like eight times in the ten
and six is not comin in eighteen How many times
did they win the division in those years? Can't believe you.
I don't. I don't look at it the same way.
I don't look at the same day after day. I
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don't look talking about how it's championship or bust. I'm not.
You don't give Lebron James credit for going to eighth
straight finals. You say they didn't win and now you're
gonna see here and defend the Packers Pitsport record of
one Super Ball with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback for
ten years. I don't look at Chris you're talking about
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in a you just we just saw this this year
with Lebron. He was playing in a thing where he
could get to the UH the championship, playing in the
Leastern Conference. I'm not that impressed by that, the eight trips,
because every time he got bad division championship, you have
to arguably the best quarterback. I'm not I'm not impressed
by going to eight and every time you went to
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the arena, be if you got in a division chance
you got your head handed to you. All I'm saying
is you had a coach that won a super Bowl
early on in this What do you always say, if
he never wait, never one, maybe I would buy into that.
What do you always say? I don't know what. Anybody
can win one. There's no doubt about that. So don't
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get me. Don't. On the other hand, tell me how
McCarthy is so great because he won one Super Bowl.
I know when anybody can win us saying he should
go to the Hall of Fame. But for you to
sit here and do a after the fact of revisionist
history to say that, because you're saying you would fire
coach that went to two NFC championships and won a
super Bowl. No, Andy Reid. Right now, Andy Reid hasn't
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won jack though he hasn't won a super Bowl. It's
totally different. And he's never won, Chris, what are you
talking about? Andy Reid has never won a Super Bowl?
Does same? You said, fire coach? Anybody champion, anybody, anybody
could be can win one. But you know what, Andy
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Reid hasn't won one. You ain't being consistent. I have consistent.
They have wasted two thirds to three quarters of Aaron
Rodd you got one. Disagree with you? I disagree. You
need more. I think you gotta look at how everything
went down to be honest with yourself. Did they not
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have the best defense for him? Absolutely? Now got a
better defense. But they also the way that they got
to all these places sponsible for their belief was that
they they built their team from within. They once had
a team that had every player was drafted except for two,
and they won. They used to win the mix every one.
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That's what I'm telling you. One winning you could you
got a revisionist history and during it was going to
truth nobody. You're the only one who said, Andy, I mean,
you only want to say that Mike McCarthy should have
been fired when they were winning division. You're crazy, Chris
really ain't even yes he I'm saying an organization after
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they lost all time great quarterback, after they lost because
of because the guy didn't get to the outside kick,
that you'd fire the coach. I'm saying it all. I'm
saying it after the fact because I wasn't in. I
didn't know the inner workings of the organization. But if
I know the inner workings of the organization, I know
my all time great quarterback doesn't think that the coach
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knows anything wasted. I know that. I know that that
coach is missing team meetings to get massages. I know
that Dade, I'm getting rid of him. Don Shuli should
have bes fired, so on your own time. Don Shula
should have been fired then because he wasted Dann Marino's career,
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right quarter. I don't know if Don he wasn't in
team meeting they didn't win. Why Shula wasn't in team
meetings they didn't win. I never heard Dan Marino say
Don Shula didn't know what he was doing. I never
heard Dan Marino was ignoring Don Shula's play calls and
and drawing up plays on his own and thinking he
don't know what he's talking about. That's my point. When
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you're running an organization and you know this message going on,
then you gotta be better because you cover sports, and
you know, you know the behind the scene stuff. You
know the behind the scenes stuff on a lot of
these teams. And I could go on and on. I know,
I could go on and on and on about teams
that great teams and what goes on behind the scenes,
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and there's a lot of bad stuff that goes on.
Who they did? They should have won more Super as
one player X teammaking an article who said Aaron Rodgers
should have won six Super Bowls at that time, All right,
like the Super Bowl they should have three. Maybe if
they were cheating like the Patriots, they would have won three. Yeah. Whatever.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker week days at seven
pm Eastern four pm Pacific. Rob let's get back to
Lebron James. Although he's not really the star of this segment.
It is Kevin Durant. Can call him his chief rival,
the chief rocker, Lebron's chief rival. I'd say that, who
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are you, especially since he owns Lebron. Well, he's got
a little bit of hell. I'm just all I know
is he can be a jump. He's gang and they
he ain't beating him one on one. He got he
got the two MVP got and he got that jumper
in Lebron's mug that still got them light skin. Look
at that nights King. Guys always need help. Yeah, right right,
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all right, here we go. KD was on a podcast
recently with remember the Clippers guys, uh, Darius Miles and
Quentin Richardson. Yes, I remember those guys. Yeah yeah, they
still have a podcast. Well, they got it. I don't
know if it's new. I think it's relatively new, whatever
the case. They had Kevin Durant on and he gave
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his all time top five players and Lebron James was
not on the list. Now, in fairness, I just gotta
throw this out. You can discount it if you want.
I'm just discount it, but I gotta throw it out.
Two things about his list number one. He did say
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that he likes to wait till the player's career is
done before he, you know, puts him on the all
time list. His quote is, I like to put these
dudes in there when they retire. That's when I really
want to watch Lebron this season. I thought he retired
at the end of the year. Okay. I was waiting
to see if Kawhi thought that was funny. I get
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Kawhi thought it was funny, but oh man, all right?
Then he said he also said this, which I think
is important and this may shed some light on his
list as well. He said, I'm really talking about their skills, okay.
So he liked to judge his list by kind of
the five greatest skill players. I'm looking at here's a
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quote from you. I'm looking at it from a pure
skills standpoint. It's a toss up Hakim. It's more my
taste though, and they's talking about Hikim Elis Rand. So
let me give you a list route Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
Shaquille O'Neill, Hakim elij Jwan, and Magic Johnson. And he said,
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definitively Kobe's number two easy in his words easy number two,
and the proper use of that world would be easily. Yeah,
but easy, easy money sniper, I don't know if you're
good grammar, KD good grammars essential. That's one of his nicknames.
Easy money Sniper's actually his low his handle what it's easily,
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it's not easy. I'm sure that's correct, But I don't
need to hear his grammar lesson from Rob Parker. Don't
you remember, Hey, wait a minute, this is a TV
theme song. Thursday, there's a Batman episode and Catwoman is
about she's cat Woman is on like this strutch, just
like thing that's gonna fly out the window right to
get away, and and they're about to take off and
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Batman runs into the room and Robin goes, you can't
get away from Batman that easy, And Batman looks at
him and goes, Robin, it's easily. Good Grammar's essential. I'm
telling you that true. Yes, that was in the show.
That's why Batman was my favorite. Yes, he got the
good grammar, and he got to crime and he had
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Catwoman and that's right, all right, there you go a
leather suit. Look at you, Chris, You sound a little
uh you know she got sense what you said that
she was fine and christ was like that leather suit
on Cat one. I'm a little boist right now. He
was fine in that leather suit. You're afraid, Chris, you
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might need like a cold towel or something. All was
he not? Chris? Were you want? Were you smoking cigarettes?
After watching that woman? Was not? What was her name?
I don't even know who who that was? There were
three cat women. The Eartha kid was the kid, right,
I'm not talking about she was nicely, but I'm not
talking her. Julie Julie knew Mar, thank you. It might
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be the one. And uh, the other one was bubb
who was on Barnaby Jones, Oh my god, uh Lee Merryweather.
Those were the three. I'm getting it was Julie Neemar. No,
it was yeah, yeah, okay, that she was the main
one that we saw. So was I wrong? Am I lion? No?
I'm just just you sounded a little different than you normally.
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I'm just saying that's all I said. I thought. I
just thought to myself, as this a you know, worship
Wednesday or not. But Chris is sounding like a little
uh like I ain't going to magic city, which next time,
I'm gonna get it twisted, all right, Hey, next year
in Miami, Chris, No, I'm gonna break you down next year. No,
you know that. You know that ain't all right. Let's
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get back to it, okay. So I'm gonna give you
my quick take on this with k D, and then
I want to get yours. Obviously, I like it. I
like it now. I don't know if k D is
really just being honest that hey, I didn't even consider
Lebron because he's still playing, or if he throw in
a little shade Lebron's way, if he just doesn't think
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Lebron's one of the five best players to ever played
a game, or what. But I do know this, Kevin
Durant thinks he's better than Lebron James. And it didn't
take that jump shot in the game the first finals
appearance between Golden State and Cleveland when KYD played for
him to think that. No, I understand that season thinking
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he's better than Lebron and he couldn't wait to show
it in the finals. But that's a nice little piece
to have, That's all I'm saying. No, No, I agree,
but I like that KD it's kind of like, yo,
let's compete. Let's do it. I'm trying to beat Lebron
and all the talk and Rob I said it earlier
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in the show. I mean, I'm hearing the Knicks think
they got Kevin Durant. I'm hearing people close to Durant
are saying he's going to New York. I'm hearing the
Knicks are gonna make their draft pick first, second, third,
whatever it is based on the knowledge that they got
Kevin Durant coming. So if he goes to the Knicks,
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that's just one more sign that Katie wants to compete,
he wants to beat Lebron. I think Katie is like, look,
I want to be regarded as the best player of
this era. Now I don't think he's better than Lebron.
I mean, now he might be, but I mean, like
career wise, if he goes to New York and they
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win a championship, people will look at this era. If
they went again this year and say he won three
in a row and he beat Lebron twice and he
went to the Knicks. Wevan won since nineteen seventy three,
and he got that team. No matter how it's put
together and they won a championship. People will look at
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this era and I don't know if he wins, you know,
if he wins at least one, but people will look
at this and go, he had more more championship then
Lebron had. No there's no doubt he would if that,
if what you said becomes, he would have more. But
I don't personally think, now, let's let it play out.
You know, who knows what KD ends up doing in
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terms of wins and winning and all that. But I
just think watching them, I think Lebron's a better player.
Number one, or you know, has been throughout his career,
and I think number two Lebron is iconic. KD is not.
It's kind of like, and I'm not saying Lebron is
necessarily Muhammed Ali, but like Ali was an icon, I'm
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just saying Ali was an icon. Larry Holmes came after
Ali and had a better record than Ali and was
a great champion himself. Yeah but he didn't, but you
got it. But nobody ever viewed him as better than Ali.
But he beat Ali. Ali was obviously old when Heat,
but he also beat nothing. But also, and I'm not
blaming Heat, Holmes didn't beat as Holmes beat some good fighters.
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He he beat a lot of gods. Norton he not
beat him. Jerry Cooney would be the great white Hole.
He was terrible. Jerry Cooney had destroyed can Text Cobb,
all these god but ho Naldo Snipes no a boxing fans.
Nobody was a bad boy, Nobody Michael Speed. Nobody ever
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thought he was the greatest fighter he played, No no
but but part of it's because he followed an icon.
And even though he had a better record, even though
he beat Ali, even though there were stories that he
used to beat Ali when they sparred and Ali was
still a champion, nobody ever considered him better than Ali
because Ali was iconic. Larry Holmes was not. And I'm
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just saying, I wonder if that could be end up
being the case with Lebron and KD. I'm just throwing
it out, Okay, just throwing it out. Yeah, I'm not
I'm not so sure I'm buying that, but I would
say it just depends if he goes Okay, So for
all the people had an issue with him going to
the Warriors, say they won the three in a row.
So he went to a great team and not only
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not only did they he go there, but they continue
to win at an unbelievable rate. They won three in
a row. Say he wins the MVP three years at
the row in the NBA Finals with Steph Curry and
all these other guys that are on the team, and
then he decides to go to New York and says okay,
and he wins there, and he turns out around this
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sad sack organization for all these years and they win
a championship. People will have to look at him differently.
I really believe that that's all. I mean, he's got
a chance. And somebody argue he already is. He got
a chance to be like a top ten player of
all times. Yes, about is incredible. We've never seen anything
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like it, you know, and you know it's gonna be
interesting to what he does. But I do like this.
There are a lot of people out there that think
Durant isn't tough, is soft, that he's not tough enough.
He's sensitive, that's what sensitive. That's what hurts him a
lot because a lot of guys just said, du these
way too sensitive, right. But also I think a lot
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of people think he's just not tough enough to carry
a team to a championship. Because as good as he
was in the finals, he was the finals MVP twice,
you can't really say he carried them. I mean, they're
a great team in their own right now, but they
went to the finals two early on, and I know
they didn't win, they lost four to one. But I
think that now, with the experience and all the stuff
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that he's done, I think he has a shot. No,
I do too. I'm just saying that right now. That's
a narrative that people have out there that they don't
think he can carry that team. I agree with you.
I think he can, but he's got to show it,
you know, And if he shows it, yeah, it could
be interested. I like though to him coming out with
this kind of I don't want the team with Lebron.
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I want to beat Lebron, right. I love that in him,
and we'll see if he can actually do that without
those two light skin brothers and Draymond Green having his back.
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