September 12, 2026 • 34 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether it’s worth it for Lane Kiffin and LSU to burn every bridge in the SEC in their quest to get NFL players on the roster, argue whether Drake Maye or Caleb Williams is the best young quarterback in the NFL today, and debate whether Aaron Rodgers should have publicly declared that he’s the greatest quarterback of his era even if wasn’t the winningest.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Big movement in the scc or at least they're trying
to make some movement you guys been talking about lane
kiffin for what about a week.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Now about a week ago what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Trying to get the pros in the college couldn't get
him in for the clemson game still whooped that ass
by 40 points even said during the halftime speech imagine
if we had our nfl players what we would have
done to him Shout out to Lane Kiffin. But in
any event, the SEC is not going to take this
lying down. In fact, they filed an amended complaint on
Tuesday regarding their plans to add former NFL players. And
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they're going to schedule a vote of the conference presidents
on whether or not they can expel LSU from the
conference altogether. According to the SEC rules, they need at
least two-thirds of the presidents to require a termination of
the school's membership. LSU has declined to comment. Nobody actually
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expects it's going to come to this, but they're flowing
it out there. Like, if you guys do not fall
in line like the rest of them.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You mean like the state of California? Then we are
going to kick you out of the club.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
You don't want to get kicked out of the club.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's a bad feeling. You want to enjoy yourself. You
ain't get dressed, put on a cologne and all that
for nothing. Rob, I feel this way. Well, you know
how I felt about with Lane. I feel like something
bad is going to happen eventually. It always does with him.
It's always something a little slimy, something a little off-putting.
From your hero, and I'll say this, when it comes
to the SEC and what's happening here, I do find
it interesting that this is the hill they're willing to
die on for two guys that they didn't even play. Like,
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and that, you know, who knows when they'll play if
they choose to. But I'm making it, if you're Lane Kiffin,
you have LSU behind you. You know the players, the recruiting. Obviously,
you have a big name. You should be confident in
what you have and how good your team is. And obviously,
he's smacked up Clemson, which we'll find out if that
was a good win that big or not, if Clemson's
any good. But my point is... Is it really worth
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the lemon worth all this squeeze? If you got the SEC,
the conference as a whole, and what you coach and
your team is in, you have all the college footballers
come out. You got the Big Ten, other big conferences
that said, we don't want this. Other conferences, even smaller conferences,
come out and say, we don't want this. I'm just
wondering what's the battle to win when you don't even
necessarily need them, not to mention you even threw it
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in their face because at halftime they asked him about
it when he was up 51-10. during halftime of the game,
and he goes, yeah, imagine, as Rob G was saying,
imagine what we had if we had pro players. Like,
I think he almost can't help himself throwing extra jabs,
throwing extra darts at people, and making people even more upset. Because, again,
you got a whole conference that is saying, we don't
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want this, you're doing it, then you're trolling us about it,
and I think this is something that they will try
to take to court, and you want to eventually... is
this something he's going to go through or not? And
I don't think it's going to ultimately be worth it.
Burning the bridges all the way up. We might get
to where it's a two-league system, where it's the Big
Ten and SEC, and that's pretty much it when it
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comes to college football and the playoffs and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We might actually get there.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I know they're expanding, but that very well could be
where those are the only two conferences that ultimately matter.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And you don't want to be on the outs of that.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
In your own conference, you don't want to be on
the outside, them to make maybe something ultimately kicking you
out because you want to have a couple of players.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
That won't make that big of a difference, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I just don't see the upside in continuing this battle
if you're laying Kiffin and the Tigers, but specifically him
and the way he's handling it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Kelvin, I'm going to disagree. And I'm going to say
this to you.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
I already brought up one example, which was NIL and
the state of California, right, which made it into law. College,
the NCAA and college football fought against it and said that.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They would not allow California schools to participate. And I
just feel like. Kelvin, you have to fight and stand
up for stuff. You can't always look for the easy
way out.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I can just imagine Kelvin being on that bus in Montgomery, Alabama,
telling Rosa Parks to just go to the back and don't.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And don't.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't believe you would bring Lane Kiffin, Rosa Parks,
rolling around in heaven right now, that you would just
bring up Lane Kiffin with her. Lane Kiffin, who always
doing something scandalous, salacious, and leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Martin Luther King Jr. is sitting here. I can't believe
you right now.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
The Freedom Riders are looking at you right now. Like,
I know good and bad going well you didn't just
bring up Lane Kiffin and us. My point is— You
better hurry up and get to your point. Kelvin would
be on the— The NAACP about to give you a
thumbs down.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Kelvin was on the bus saying, hey, just come on
back here. Don't cause a stir. Don't say nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Something— You can't even say it with a straight face.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Sometimes you got to stand up and you got to
fight for what you believe in. We're going to fight,
all right. And Kelvin. I can't believe you. Lane Kiffin,
bless you. Amen. I can't believe you. Fight. And you
know what?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
He's got two black players there. He's trying to get
them paid. He's trying to get them paid. They don't
have a job in the NFL. There's money on the table.
James Baldwin is rolling around.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He has eligibility.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
In heaven. Amen. Fred Hampton is rolling around in heaven
right now. Malcolm X is rolling around in heaven. I'm
mad at you by any means necessary right now. Calvin,
you got to stand up for what you believe in sometimes.
Even if you go against the grain, you could just
automatically pay your nine cents and get on the bus,
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or you can stand up and fight and say, I refuse.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I'm going to fight you like Muhammad Ali right now,
who rolled around in heaven right now. I can't believe
you put Lane Kiffin with him. Lane Kiffin is going
to blow like the wind. In three weeks, he'll change
his mind.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I never wanted him in the first place. I thought
about this was illegal. Muhammad Ali, trailblazer. Lane Kiffin, trailblazer.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Elijah, take the camera off of me. The NAACP going
to give you the thumbs up. The ACLU about to
give you the thumbs. Matter of fact, NABJ might give
you the thumbs down. But you know what I'm going
to get? A thumbs up for the Marconi Award.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
How's that? You can have it. The SEC, they ain't
even going to give you one.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
LSU, the only thing you're going to get is a
free Smedium t-shirt from LSU.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
You think any cars crashed today? Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Detroit Zone, Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Hallelujah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I have a dream that one day on the red
hills of Georgia, football players can come back to college.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Hey, Elijah, beam me off. You want to go Star Trek?
Beam me off.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
We don't have to be stuck in the not promised.
You know what would have been even worse? What was that, lightning? Yes,
lightning struck you. Did you see that?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Elijah had lightning striking me.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Look at that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
He was trying to beat you. Lightning strike.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Hey, look.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The only thing worse would have been if you did
that in February. During Black History Month.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe June. Did you want to do it in June?
June teeth?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
My only point was that sometimes you have to fight.
And it's not an easy road. I believe it's a
fight worthwhile. The kids have eligibility. And they should have
a chance to make money. They're not on a team.
They have eligibility. And I think it's worth the fight
in all seriousness.
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Bowl rematch between the Seahawks and the Patriots. Me and Calvin,
of course, both picked Seattle in that game. Rob picked
New England, but that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No, I did not pick. Are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Can you check my... The Super Bowl game? We have
it on video, on wax, of you picking the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
What are you talking about? For tonight's game? No, he's
saying for last year.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Oh, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But in any event, yes. I have them not making
the playoffs this year. You got me picking them. Oh,
that's a tease for our two and Rob's two NFL predictions. Oh, yeah.
When is that? 5 o'clock. 8 p.m. Eastern. But yes,
it is a big game tonight. Drake May is playing.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He, of course, came one vote shy of winning the
MVP last season.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
And ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And The Athletic all surveyed a bunch of executives, scouts,
coaches on the upcoming season. And in one of the
anonymous polls, this one coming to The Athletic, they asked,
which quarterback on a rookie deal would you rather have
for this season? Not moving forward just this season. Who's
the guy you like the most? In a runaway of
20 votes, getting 12 of them, Drake may not. way
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past Kayla Williams. Kayla only got five, everyone else only
got one. They're telling you without telling you, Drake May,
not Kayla Williams, is the young QB you want.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And they're not wrong. And it's close.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Me and you were talking about it, Rob G., going
over the show, and it is close. I understand the
allure of Kayla Williams. Since he's been probably 10, 12
years old, he has been fantastic. Goes to Oklahoma, comes
to USC, wins a Heisman. He's been all of that.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
if you make me have to pick, then I'm picking
Drake May for a couple of different reasons. Listen, when
you play the quarterback position, one of the most important
things is accuracy. And you're talking about a guy in
Drake May, 72% completion percentage last year.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Caleb's was at 58.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That sounds like somebody's age, not somebody's completion percentage and
then you go to touchdowns of course uh both of
them protected the ball pretty well eight for drake may
seven for caleb but then i'm also going to again
the touchdowns you're looking at 31 versus 27 for caleb
31 for drake and also what's interesting is the rushing
yards Drake May is big, fast as well. He got
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you 450, four touchdowns, and then Caleb around 380 as well.
So I'm looking at this as I think he's in
a better division to continue to be good, Rob, because
we know Tom Brady took full advantage of being in
the AFC least because he got to beat up on
the Dolphins and he got to beat up on the
Jets a couple times a year. And that's the same
thing Drake May every single year should be able to
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do is beat up on those two teams. and continue
to dominate and have a chance to have good numbers
as well as a chance to get into the postseason.
And also, I think Kayla Williams, again, we talked about
this with the Chiefs, talked about the Lions a couple
years ago, benefiting from those last-minute drives or those last-minute
touchdowns where now, of course, you look.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Maybe better than you are.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
We ignore the way you play for three quarters or
three and a half quarters. And again, he is an
incredible talent who I think should take a step up.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He should.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But if you're making me pick between the two, and
I think Drake May's team is going to have a
tougher go because the schedule is going to be heavier
and more difficult. But Drake May should be the better
quarterback again this year. And lastly, when your own quarterback,
I mean, your own coach had some issues with you
throughout the season. That also screens volumes to me where
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Ben Johnson was disappointed oftentimes at the decision-making, at the turnovers,
or at, again, the completion percentage and how low it was.
So if you're asking, yes, if you're asking who has
spectacular throws, one to two throws a game, Caleb. But
if I'm going to full fourth quarters, and it's my
little hair on my chinny-chin-chin, give me Drake May, Rob.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And I know. You disagree.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I don't think you even watch the games because I'm
going to tell you this. I'm dead serious when I
say this. Drake May, and you just talk, everything you
talked about doesn't make any sense. He plays against the
Jets twice a year. He plays against Miami. They beat
one team over 500 last year. And you're going to
talk about freaking completion percentage as the reason you would
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pick somebody when he's beating teams that aren't any good. No,
let me make my statement. And then you're talking about
all this other thing. Well, you know, if it's just one, yeah,
if you need a throw to win the game, yeah,
then maybe I would take Caleb. That's what it's all about.
It ain't about the stats. It's about winning games. You
can't teach what Caleb Williams has done.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You can't teach it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You can get somebody, you can help people with their
form and do all this other stuff. People aren't able to,
to perform in those pressure situations. That's why people always
talk about clutch genes. That's why certain people can't do it.
That's why they fold in those situations. And the perfect
example for this guy who you're so high on, when
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they got to the playoffs and they played the better teams,
he had a negative. 41 % Point two, EPA, the
worst playoff number. It was terrible against the best. He
was pressured 19 times. He threw 10 times off target,
which was a career high. Sacked six times, a career high.
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Committed three turnovers.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You ready?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Negative 41.2 pass EPA. That's the worst playoff pass EPA
in next generation stats era.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The other guys who were terrible since 2000? Are you ready?
Rex Grossman, Rich Gannett, Cary Collins. That's the guy? Come on, man.
You're not.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You're being un- You just admit it. You're a Lions fan.
You hate Caleb Williams for whatever reason it is. And
I would respect you to just say that. To say
that Caleb Williams, because his percentage- Completion percentage is lower.
Explain the postseason. You always rip on Lamar. Well, you
got to get it done in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wait, I was in Lamar? Yeah, about the postseason. So
I'm asking you, tell me, explain your postseason. Wait, I'm
glad you asked. Explain the postseason for me.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Year after year and say is the best player in
the nfl is lamar jackson now i'm talking about the.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Postseason yeah because the postseason numbers matter don't they so
what that minus 41 right and the guy that got
and you're acting as if so the same guy you
who sit up here and yell to the heavens every
single day about the cheese and they can't get lucky
this year every year and you said it and i'll
give you credit you were right The same thing can
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apply to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Him pulling it out at the very last second. He
did it seven times last year. What if he goes
two for five, one for six, all for seven? Because
the Chiefs didn't do it. So you expect what I'm
saying is a guy who is doing nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, but I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You about Drake May and the weak competition he faces
during the regular season.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That's what I'm talking about. And I'm answering.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Drake may absolutely only beat who was in front of him.
I don't disagree with that. We both said that during
our segment.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
They didn't play anybody. The Giants won't beat more teams
over 500. The Giants.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But you also don't have to be good or great
in those games. We have seen people play lesser competition
and play down to their competition.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And when he got into the postseason, his offensive line
let him down, and he wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was the offensive line. It's only their fault, right?
I didn't say it was only their fault. I'm answering
your question.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So what I'm saying is, Kayla, and the funniest part is,
you keep bringing up the Lions game. You are entirely
more obsessed with the Lions than me, and it's not
even close. No, you're not.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
You pick the Lions every year. Stop it. You are
entirely more obsessed.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
You're a Lions fan. You come in here with a
Lions hoodie and a hat. You're a Lions fan. Just
admit it. Can you admit it? Can you admit it?
Are you a Lions fan, yes or no? I'm not
even going to answer that. Are you a Lions fan?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, I'm not. Okay, yes, you are.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Everybody in the world knows I'm a Lions fan. You
can't even be honest with yourself.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Rob Parker.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is the biggest duh in the world. Every single person.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Knows I'm a Lions fan. Anything you say about the
Lions or the NFC North, I can't buy into. Then
that's your own fault. I can't buy into. That's your
own fault.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Because it's always based around the Lions and whether or
not what you want them to do.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So Caleb Williams looking bad for three and a half
quarters in several games.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It doesn't matter. It's about wins and losses. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Look how obsessed you get. It's about wins and losses.
This is what I'm talking about. What is it about?
You're obsessed. Stop it. It's all BS. You are obsessed
with Caleb Williams. You're talking about stats that don't matter.
It's about wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
His own coach was disappointed in him. You think people
when he threw a game, what his touch went? Oh, well,
too bad he didn't throw for 70% completion rate.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bears fans are saying, why do we keep being in
this position? That's exactly what they were saying. Bears fans
were saying, can we just beat somebody?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You can't blame it all on him. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I'm blaming on Caleb what Caleb did or didn't do.
Caleb Williams is incredibly talented. I would just like to
sit here and hear this all football season.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I have no idea. You do. I don't understand what
you're obsessed about. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So let me ask you this. So whoever, name the sport.
I don't care if it's Pitt. We got baseball on
right now. we're not allowed to say, man, somebody can
get better next season?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's a raw part.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
God forbid somebody say, wow, Taylor Williams is crazy talented
and I want him to put it together next year.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It's ridiculous for the year that Caleb had last year
that the all wasn't great. The only thing you talk about,
it's about winning games. Don't tell me it wasn't great.
The Lions were.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Supposed to win the division.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Were the Lions supposed to win the division?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Obsession with the Lions. Were the Bears supposed to win
the division? I'm asking you, who was supposed to win
the division last year? So, Who was supposed to win
a division? I don't know who was supposed to win
a division. You don't know now.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
When Michael Parsons got there, wasn't it supposed to be
the Packers? The team that was 15-2. It wasn't supposed
to be the Packers?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And then it's wins and losses, but it's not wins
for Drake May. But it's only wins for Caleb.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Who you beating? Caleb Williams. Depends on who you're beating.
It doesn't matter. I've always said that. I said it
about the Chiefs. You cherry pick. No, I don't. You
cherry pick. I say it all the time. Just like
you cherry pick Caleb.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The guy who has a history winning Super Bowls and
Patrick Mahomes gets no grace for anything. But Caleb, who
has done anything, throw over 4,000 yards. Bears still haven't
had a quarterback throw over 4,000 yards.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Do you know what that means? They used to run
the football. They were the monsters of the Midwest. They
ran the football. You're talking about they still love it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm talking about Caleb.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
That was for a reason, though. I'm talking about Caleb.
That was for a reason.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
They ran the football at the Bears. I'm talking about Caleb.
All right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
877-99-05.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You are obsessed with Caleb. No, you are.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yes, you are.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
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Speaker 3 (19:09):
But we got some big football coming up this weekend.
Week one of the NFL is in full effect. And
one of the players and one of the teams, when
we keep an eye on specifically, is the hotly contested,
the controversial, the bane of our existence here on this show,
none other than than Aaron Rodgers, who has let it
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be known this is going to be his final season.
And as a result, he's going on a lot of
different media outlets, making his opinion known very quickly, very eagerly,
very succinctly about a number of topics. This week, he
went on his teammates podcast, Cam Hayward's pod, talked about Dr. Fauci,
talked about Barack Obama, talked about Donald Trump, talked about
(19:53):
his ex-fiance, talked about.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Boy, did he ever talk about that. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
If you got two hours to kill, go and check
it out because Aaron Rodgers was letting his lips loose.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But one of the things he said, no, resume, because
he said a lot of stuff. Yeah, resume.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
One thing he said, and he was asked about, like, hey, Aaron,
who are some guys that you don't think get enough
love as quarterbacks? And during the course of his answer,
he shared some really interesting insight into how he views
the position.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
You know, I loved watching Randall growing up, too, because
Randall could just throw that thing. He could move around.
He was active. But I was always a Niner fan, so.
I would say Steve. You know, there's like Dan Marino
was a really good player. Didn't win, so he's not
kind of treated the same. But I think for anybody
like Dan, even myself to some extent, like there's a
difference between being the greatest player.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of your era and.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Greatest winner of your era.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You know?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Like winning is a team sport. Obviously, it takes great
quarterback play. But the way that the guy's you play against,
talk about you.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
He's the most important. Like, who's the most difficult to
prepare for? And I think that's what, you know, Pat's
already got like three Super Bowls, but like, I feel
like for me, I was that guy for a long
time that was really hard to deal with when I
could really move around and run. And then Pat came
along and it's like, well, this guy can beat you
with his legs, with his arm, with arm angles and
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doing different things and, you know, obviously we'd all love
to win a ton of Super Bowls, but You want
to be regarded as the best player.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, Aaron Rodgers is top three to five most talented
football players I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I'm talking any position.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Barry Sanders. Deion Sanders, Lawrence Taylor, Tom Brady. I don't know.
You name the position. I mean, just unadulterated. We all
watch him. And Rob, you know, covering Detroit and me
being a Lions fan, seeing him twice a year for
however long it was, 10, 15 years, whatever. I mean,
my gosh. You talk about put fear inside you, put
fear inside your team, put fear inside your locker room.
(22:07):
He was that guy, without a doubt. He has been incredible.
You're talking about what do you want?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Long ball?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Short passes can run accuracy on another level. I mean,
this guy had it all. And so I have no
argument with him there. And I think the one thing
I will say, what I found interesting is, can we
do that more in basketball where we have the comparisons, right?
Kobe or LeBron, LeBron or Jordan, or this guy versus
this guy, T-Mac versus Kobe. We do that a lot
more in basketball than we do in football. But I
(22:36):
think I heard something a little bit more interesting. And
it reminds me of if you make Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady,
And you make LeBron and Aaron Rodgers be the same
guy where.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Just talent, winning at a high.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Level, MVPs, all of that, we all know exactly what
LeBron was.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We all know what Aaron Rodgers was, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But both of them, when you hear them talk about themselves,
I think there is something about where they ignore that
there was still left to be desired.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
LeBron, as great as he is, you know how I
feel about him.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
There are still games, there are still actual series where
he should have won. You can't lose to Dallas. You
can't lose a Dallas in the finals. If you're LeBron James,
you can lose maybe one or two other ones. You
can't lose that one. There are some games you had
to have to have won. There's some shots you have
had to have taken and won. And I think LeBron,
even as great as he thinks he is, he thinks
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he's the best part of him knows, man, I left
some to be desired. I personally, not just a team,
I could have done this better. I could have won this.
And I think he knows it. And I think Aaron
Rodgers knows that. I think he knows that's the reason
why people are a little like, ah, man, because they
know how good he was and is. And they know
how incredible he was and is. And they expected a
(23:51):
little bit more from that guy because I think they
look at it and say there were some games in
the postseason. where you could have finished that thing off.
There were some games to be had where you could
have won it. You singularly, it's a game-winning drive. It's
a game-winning just, hey, get a first down. And he
didn't have those, and sometimes it didn't match the talent.
And I think that's all. I think people look at
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Tom Brady, we know he's not as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
In fact, Tom Brady recently said that when he asked
about it. He said Aaron Rodgers is that guy, the
best passer of the ball I've ever seen. And I
think that's partly why people feel like there was something like, ah,
I wanted more out of Aaron Rodgers because he was
so special, because he was so gifted. I don't think
anybody argues that. But when it came crunch time, there
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were games where he let you down or let Packer
fans down and you wanted more from him. And I
just think that's a similar thing with LeBron. Like I said,
you know how Phil Brown's that guy, but there were
games or there were moments or there were series where
you say, dang, I needed you to make that happen,
and he didn't. And I think that's different. And you
look at a Tom Brady. I'm not as gifted. I'm
not as that without a doubt benefited from Bill Belichick
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and that special teams and that defense.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But he took full advantage, and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
There were games where he found a way to win
no matter what. And I think there's a handful of
times with Aaron Rodgers, specifically in the postseason, where we
needed him to maybe let that pass go. I know
it's not perfect.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It might get picked up, but you got to do
it because sometimes that's how you win games.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And he left something to me to be desired. And
you want it more winning from a guy in a
very stable and good organization. It's not like he was
the Panthers quarterback. He's with the Packers, who have plenty
of good teams, plenty of good seasons, 14-2 when it
was 16 games, and so many times he dominated his division,
dominated the conference, and you thought, oh, this clearly is
(25:37):
the time where he gets it done in the Super
Bowl again, and he didn't. So that's the only thing.
He is remarkable. I still believe he's one of the
top five most talented football players ever, any position.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I don't give a dang.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
He is remarkable, but I wanted a bit more in
the winning from him And that's okay. And that's why
it reminds me of LeBron, where LeBron has to sell
you on himself. LeBron has to kind of cover up
to his tracks, if you will, kind of overly state,
because I think even both he and Aaron Rodgers know,
I myself could have done a little bit more to
allude to winning the ultimate prize, which is a championship.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, I think Tom Brady said it best that and
that he's the greatest throw of the football that he
ever saw. I mean, I think it's different about accomplishments.
And and the thing that I think is comical is,
you know, the act like Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Like defensively, he had.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
A top 10 defense, top five defense for all those
years they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
They cheated.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
They had a couple of cheating scandals, but people act
like none of it happened. And then you look at
Aaron Rodgers' career, and these aren't like making excuses. I
just give you the raw numbers. 2009, the defense gave
up 45 points.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
2011, gave up 37 points. 2012, gave up 45 points.
This is the gist or the meat of his career.
You ready?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
2013 led the Packers to a game-time drive, never got
the ball back, and overtime was sudden death. 20th of
next year led the Packers to a game-time drive, right?
Never got the ball back. The next year, 2015, led
them to a game-tying drive.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Guess what?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Never got the ball back because the defense always gave
it up. 2016, the defense gave up 44 points. 2019,
they gave up 37 points. Like, these are real numbers.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Here it is.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Times a defense allow 43 points or more in a game.
Three times for Aaron Rodgers in 10 playoff losses. Tom Brady,
zero times in 381 starts.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Not postseason games.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Zero times did Tom Brady's defense give up 43 or.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
More points in his career. That's an astonishing number. And
here's the last part. Percentage of season with top 10 defenses.
Tom Brady, 72%. Of his career, he had a top
10 defense, 15 out of the 21 seasons he played.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Peyton Manning, four times out of 17.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Aaron Rodgers, 12 and a half, two times in 16 years.
And I just think you have to take everything into account.
No one's saying he's perfect. No one said he never
made any mistakes. No one said he played great all
the time. But you have to take a look at it.
And most people, if you're just looking at it, if
you strip away the Super Bowl, just look at talent
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and what he did and the numbers or whatever, the–
The greatest quarterback rating of any quarterback in the history
of the NFL. The greatest touchdown to interception ratio than
any other quarterback in the NFL. There's a lot of
meat on the bone that's hard to look at it,
and it would be different. If he never won, then
I'll buy into that argument. You could dismiss him if
(29:12):
he never won. Won a Super Bowl, was a Super
Bowl MVP when he got there. And I still think
Tom Brady's the most accomplished quarterback, but I think the
best quarterback I ever saw play in the National Football League,
and I'm talking about skill-wise, was Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's why I don't think there's many would argue with you.
I mean, obviously, he mentioned him. Patrick Mahomes might be
now in the case. A lot of people might throw
him in the mix.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
John L.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Might raise his hand and say, hold up, your boy
got something to say. But as far as just pure,
unadulterated talent, absolutely. I still, my one pushback on that
is there have been, you mentioned a lot on the defense,
but if you go through some of those NFC games,
in the playoffs games, there were multiple times where he
had the chance to win it and he didn't. And, again,
(30:01):
I think that's where I think he would know that.
I think if he honestly would be like, yo, that
was on your bull.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Those numbers there are ridiculous. Like, seriously.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
And the last part, if you really want to be honest,
that at no time during his career with the Green
Bay Packers did they draft a skilled position in the
first round.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Not once. Like, not once. That's because he was so good,
they thought they could get away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But he had an amazing receiving core. Probably 80% of
his career.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
No, no, no.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
I'm talking about, but they still never drafted another... They
never drafted a skilled position in the first round when
he was there.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Draft the first round or give me receivers.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, that's mind-boggling. You think Jordan Love? Look at what
they did for Jordan Love already. I mean, it just
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And their receiving core is no way near as good
as what he had all those years. Man, he was
loaded up on offense with receivers. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But I'm just saying, I look at the 2021 against
the 49ers. They lose 13-10.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
They only score the early drive in the game, and
they can't get the offense going the rest of the game.
You look at the 2014 NFC Championship versus Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
They lose in overtime. They got four turnovers for him,
and they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Did he tie the game? That's the game, right? Didn't
they lose that game in overtime? He never got the
ball back.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I gave you four interceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That doesn't mean you don't know where the interceptions are.
You've got to find a way to win this game.
They can be on your side. That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. It doesn't automatically mean it. It
doesn't automatically mean it. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But what I'm saying is for how talented he is.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We all agree. No, no, no. That's the thing. We
all agree.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
You also got to look at, and that's where Tom
Brady comes in, defensively.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like, it's not enough to come back from 28-3.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Your defense has to shut down the Falcons the rest
of the way in order to even.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Give you that chance. Like, you could make a comeback.
Your defense has to sometime get you a stop. They
had Arizona. They had Arizona. He came back, got him
a touchdown, right, to tie the game. Arizona gets the ball.
That was the year that Arizona went to the Super
Bowl against Pittsburgh. That was the time right there. If
they get a stop, the defense, right, if they get
(32:06):
a stop... They got a chance. There's three years in
a row where he didn't get the ball back.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The greatest example is the 2020 against Tom Brady where
Tom Brady, he gave him multiple interceptions. They couldn't score themselves.
Three second-half picks, and you got to ice that game.
You have to win that game.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Where were the picks is what you're saying. Were the
picks a punt? Were they way downfield? Were they at
the three-yard line?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You have the ball, Rob. I don't care if I
gave it to you to one. Go down and score,
and that's all I'm saying. In the postseason, Tom Brady
has the ball, all of us go, oh, shoot, it's
a wrap.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Patrick Mahomes has the ball, you go, oh, that's a wrap.
Aaron Rodgers with all of his talent. Tom Brady won
two Super Bowls with one touchdown. He won two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
No, no, no. He won two Super Bowls with one touchdown.
I know, Rob. So how did that happen? No, how
did that happen? How did he win two Super Bowls
with throwing one touchdown?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That happens all the time. Even Aaron Rodgers talked about
it in that podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
No, I'm asking.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I'm saying, how many Super Bowls did Aaron Rodgers win
without throwing a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Come on. This is what I'm trying to tell you.
He only got one.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
No, but I'm saying Tom Brady got two Super Bowls
with throwing one touchdown.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's a big advantage because defense. Let's say you took
those away. He's got five.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
And he cheated. And he cheated the other ones.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Aaron Rodgers, when it's.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
In the postseason, He was unlike when Patrick Mahomes has
the ball, everyone goes, oh, it's a wrap. When Tom
Brady has the ball, you go, oh, it's a wrap.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
How?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
When he tied three postseason games to force the game
into overtime?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Because he just didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Get enough done for how great he was. That's all
I'm saying. You mentioned it. If you're talking about throwing
the ball on talent, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
He mentioned it. But when it came to getting it
done as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
When I think of the failures of Green Bay, I
think of, A, that their defense was never good enough. Like,
if he had Tom Brady's defense that they had with
Bill Belichick, he might have won 10 Super Bowls. If
he had that kind of a defense, it was unbelievable
what Bill Belichick did.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
Big movement in the scc or at least they're trying
to make some movement you guys been talking about lane
kiffin for what about a week.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Now about a week ago what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Trying to get the pros in the college couldn't get
him in for the clemson game still whooped that ass
by 40 points even said during the halftime speech imagine
if we had our nfl players what we would have
done to him Shout out to Lane Kiffin. But in
any event, the SEC is not going to take this
lying down. In fact, they filed an amended complaint on
Tuesday regarding their plans to add former NFL players. And
(00:56):
they're going to schedule a vote of the conference presidents
on whether or not they can expel LSU from the
conference altogether. According to the SEC rules, they need at
least two-thirds of the presidents to require a termination of
the school's membership. LSU has declined to comment. Nobody actually
(01:16):
expects it's going to come to this, but they're flowing
it out there. Like, if you guys do not fall
in line like the rest of them.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
You mean like the state of California? Then we are
going to kick you out of the club.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
You don't want to get kicked out of the club.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That's a bad feeling. You want to enjoy yourself. You
ain't get dressed, put on a cologne and all that
for nothing. Rob, I feel this way. Well, you know
how I felt about with Lane. I feel like something
bad is going to happen eventually. It always does with him.
It's always something a little slimy, something a little off-putting.
From your hero, and I'll say this, when it comes
to the SEC and what's happening here, I do find
it interesting that this is the hill they're willing to
die on for two guys that they didn't even play. Like,
(01:52):
and that, you know, who knows when they'll play if
they choose to. But I'm making it, if you're Lane Kiffin,
you have LSU behind you. You know the players, the recruiting. Obviously,
you have a big name. You should be confident in
what you have and how good your team is. And obviously,
he's smacked up Clemson, which we'll find out if that
was a good win that big or not, if Clemson's
any good. But my point is... Is it really worth
(02:15):
the lemon worth all this squeeze? If you got the SEC,
the conference as a whole, and what you coach and
your team is in, you have all the college footballers
come out. You got the Big Ten, other big conferences
that said, we don't want this. Other conferences, even smaller conferences,
come out and say, we don't want this. I'm just
wondering what's the battle to win when you don't even
necessarily need them, not to mention you even threw it
(02:35):
in their face because at halftime they asked him about
it when he was up 51-10. during halftime of the game,
and he goes, yeah, imagine, as Rob G was saying,
imagine what we had if we had pro players. Like,
I think he almost can't help himself throwing extra jabs,
throwing extra darts at people, and making people even more upset. Because, again,
you got a whole conference that is saying, we don't
(02:56):
want this, you're doing it, then you're trolling us about it,
and I think this is something that they will try
to take to court, and you want to eventually... is
this something he's going to go through or not? And
I don't think it's going to ultimately be worth it.
Burning the bridges all the way up. We might get
to where it's a two-league system, where it's the Big
Ten and SEC, and that's pretty much it when it
(03:16):
comes to college football and the playoffs and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We might actually get there.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I know they're expanding, but that very well could be
where those are the only two conferences that ultimately matter.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And you don't want to be on the outs of that.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
In your own conference, you don't want to be on
the outside, them to make maybe something ultimately kicking you
out because you want to have a couple of players.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
That won't make that big of a difference, Rob.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I just don't see the upside in continuing this battle
if you're laying Kiffin and the Tigers, but specifically him
and the way he's handling it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Kelvin, I'm going to disagree. And I'm going to say
this to you.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
I already brought up one example, which was NIL and
the state of California, right, which made it into law. College,
the NCAA and college football fought against it and said that.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They would not allow California schools to participate. And I
just feel like. Kelvin, you have to fight and stand
up for stuff. You can't always look for the easy
way out.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
I can just imagine Kelvin being on that bus in Montgomery, Alabama,
telling Rosa Parks to just go to the back and don't.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
And don't.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't believe you would bring Lane Kiffin, Rosa Parks,
rolling around in heaven right now, that you would just
bring up Lane Kiffin with her. Lane Kiffin, who always
doing something scandalous, salacious, and leaving.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Martin Luther King Jr. is sitting here. I can't believe
you right now.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
The Freedom Riders are looking at you right now. Like,
I know good and bad going well you didn't just
bring up Lane Kiffin and us. My point is— You
better hurry up and get to your point. Kelvin would
be on the— The NAACP about to give you a
thumbs down.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Kelvin was on the bus saying, hey, just come on
back here. Don't cause a stir. Don't say nothing.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Something— You can't even say it with a straight face.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Sometimes you got to stand up and you got to
fight for what you believe in. We're going to fight,
all right. And Kelvin. I can't believe you. Lane Kiffin,
bless you. Amen. I can't believe you. Fight. And you
know what?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
He's got two black players there. He's trying to get
them paid. He's trying to get them paid. They don't
have a job in the NFL. There's money on the table.
James Baldwin is rolling around.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
He has eligibility.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
In heaven. Amen. Fred Hampton is rolling around in heaven
right now. Malcolm X is rolling around in heaven. I'm
mad at you by any means necessary right now. Calvin,
you got to stand up for what you believe in sometimes.
Even if you go against the grain, you could just
automatically pay your nine cents and get on the bus,
(06:01):
or you can stand up and fight and say, I refuse.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I'm going to fight you like Muhammad Ali right now,
who rolled around in heaven right now. I can't believe
you put Lane Kiffin with him. Lane Kiffin is going
to blow like the wind. In three weeks, he'll change
his mind.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know what?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
I never wanted him in the first place. I thought
about this was illegal. Muhammad Ali, trailblazer. Lane Kiffin, trailblazer.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Elijah, take the camera off of me. The NAACP going
to give you the thumbs up. The ACLU about to
give you the thumbs. Matter of fact, NABJ might give
you the thumbs down. But you know what I'm going
to get? A thumbs up for the Marconi Award.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
How's that? You can have it. The SEC, they ain't
even going to give you one.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
LSU, the only thing you're going to get is a
free Smedium t-shirt from LSU.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
You think any cars crashed today? Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Detroit Zone, Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Hallelujah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I have a dream that one day on the red
hills of Georgia, football players can come back to college.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Hey, Elijah, beam me off. You want to go Star Trek?
Beam me off.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
We don't have to be stuck in the not promised.
You know what would have been even worse? What was that, lightning? Yes,
lightning struck you. Did you see that?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Elijah had lightning striking me.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Look at that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
He was trying to beat you. Lightning strike.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
All right.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Hey, look.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
The only thing worse would have been if you did
that in February. During Black History Month.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Maybe June. Did you want to do it in June?
June teeth?
Speaker 5 (07:45):
My only point was that sometimes you have to fight.
And it's not an easy road. I believe it's a
fight worthwhile. The kids have eligibility. And they should have
a chance to make money. They're not on a team.
They have eligibility. And I think it's worth the fight
in all seriousness.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
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Bowl rematch between the Seahawks and the Patriots. Me and Calvin,
of course, both picked Seattle in that game. Rob picked
New England, but that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No, I did not pick. Are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Can you check my... The Super Bowl game? We have
it on video, on wax, of you picking the New
England Patriots.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
What are you talking about? For tonight's game? No, he's
saying for last year.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
Oh, oh.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
But in any event, yes. I have them not making
the playoffs this year. You got me picking them. Oh,
that's a tease for our two and Rob's two NFL predictions. Oh, yeah.
When is that? 5 o'clock. 8 p.m. Eastern. But yes,
it is a big game tonight. Drake May is playing.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
He, of course, came one vote shy of winning the
MVP last season.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
And ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
And The Athletic all surveyed a bunch of executives, scouts,
coaches on the upcoming season. And in one of the
anonymous polls, this one coming to The Athletic, they asked,
which quarterback on a rookie deal would you rather have
for this season? Not moving forward just this season. Who's
the guy you like the most? In a runaway of
20 votes, getting 12 of them, Drake may not. way
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past Kayla Williams. Kayla only got five, everyone else only
got one. They're telling you without telling you, Drake May,
not Kayla Williams, is the young QB you want.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And they're not wrong. And it's close.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Me and you were talking about it, Rob G., going
over the show, and it is close. I understand the
allure of Kayla Williams. Since he's been probably 10, 12
years old, he has been fantastic. Goes to Oklahoma, comes
to USC, wins a Heisman. He's been all of that.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
But.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
if you make me have to pick, then I'm picking
Drake May for a couple of different reasons. Listen, when
you play the quarterback position, one of the most important
things is accuracy. And you're talking about a guy in
Drake May, 72% completion percentage last year.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Caleb's was at 58.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
That sounds like somebody's age, not somebody's completion percentage and
then you go to touchdowns of course uh both of
them protected the ball pretty well eight for drake may
seven for caleb but then i'm also going to again
the touchdowns you're looking at 31 versus 27 for caleb
31 for drake and also what's interesting is the rushing
yards Drake May is big, fast as well. He got
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you 450, four touchdowns, and then Caleb around 380 as well.
So I'm looking at this as I think he's in
a better division to continue to be good, Rob, because
we know Tom Brady took full advantage of being in
the AFC least because he got to beat up on
the Dolphins and he got to beat up on the
Jets a couple times a year. And that's the same
thing Drake May every single year should be able to
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do is beat up on those two teams. and continue
to dominate and have a chance to have good numbers
as well as a chance to get into the postseason.
And also, I think Kayla Williams, again, we talked about
this with the Chiefs, talked about the Lions a couple
years ago, benefiting from those last-minute drives or those last-minute
touchdowns where now, of course, you look.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Maybe better than you are.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
We ignore the way you play for three quarters or
three and a half quarters. And again, he is an
incredible talent who I think should take a step up.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
He should.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
But if you're making me pick between the two, and
I think Drake May's team is going to have a
tougher go because the schedule is going to be heavier
and more difficult. But Drake May should be the better
quarterback again this year. And lastly, when your own quarterback,
I mean, your own coach had some issues with you
throughout the season. That also screens volumes to me where
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Ben Johnson was disappointed oftentimes at the decision-making, at the turnovers,
or at, again, the completion percentage and how low it was.
So if you're asking, yes, if you're asking who has
spectacular throws, one to two throws a game, Caleb. But
if I'm going to full fourth quarters, and it's my
little hair on my chinny-chin-chin, give me Drake May, Rob.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And I know. You disagree.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
I don't think you even watch the games because I'm
going to tell you this. I'm dead serious when I
say this. Drake May, and you just talk, everything you
talked about doesn't make any sense. He plays against the
Jets twice a year. He plays against Miami. They beat
one team over 500 last year. And you're going to
talk about freaking completion percentage as the reason you would
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pick somebody when he's beating teams that aren't any good. No,
let me make my statement. And then you're talking about
all this other thing. Well, you know, if it's just one, yeah,
if you need a throw to win the game, yeah,
then maybe I would take Caleb. That's what it's all about.
It ain't about the stats. It's about winning games. You
can't teach what Caleb Williams has done.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
You can't teach it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You can get somebody, you can help people with their
form and do all this other stuff. People aren't able to,
to perform in those pressure situations. That's why people always
talk about clutch genes. That's why certain people can't do it.
That's why they fold in those situations. And the perfect
example for this guy who you're so high on, when
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they got to the playoffs and they played the better teams,
he had a negative. 41 % Point two, EPA, the
worst playoff number. It was terrible against the best. He
was pressured 19 times. He threw 10 times off target,
which was a career high. Sacked six times, a career high.
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Committed three turnovers.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You ready?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Negative 41.2 pass EPA. That's the worst playoff pass EPA
in next generation stats era.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
The other guys who were terrible since 2000? Are you ready?
Rex Grossman, Rich Gannett, Cary Collins. That's the guy? Come on, man.
You're not.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
You're being un- You just admit it. You're a Lions fan.
You hate Caleb Williams for whatever reason it is. And
I would respect you to just say that. To say
that Caleb Williams, because his percentage- Completion percentage is lower.
Explain the postseason. You always rip on Lamar. Well, you
got to get it done in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Wait, I was in Lamar? Yeah, about the postseason. So
I'm asking you, tell me, explain your postseason. Wait, I'm
glad you asked. Explain the postseason for me.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Year after year and say is the best player in
the nfl is lamar jackson now i'm talking about the.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Postseason yeah because the postseason numbers matter don't they so
what that minus 41 right and the guy that got
and you're acting as if so the same guy you
who sit up here and yell to the heavens every
single day about the cheese and they can't get lucky
this year every year and you said it and i'll
give you credit you were right The same thing can
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apply to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Him pulling it out at the very last second. He
did it seven times last year. What if he goes
two for five, one for six, all for seven? Because
the Chiefs didn't do it. So you expect what I'm
saying is a guy who is doing nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
No, but I'm asking.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
You about Drake May and the weak competition he faces
during the regular season.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That's what I'm talking about. And I'm answering.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Drake may absolutely only beat who was in front of him.
I don't disagree with that. We both said that during
our segment.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
They didn't play anybody. The Giants won't beat more teams
over 500. The Giants.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But you also don't have to be good or great
in those games. We have seen people play lesser competition
and play down to their competition.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
And when he got into the postseason, his offensive line
let him down, and he wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was the offensive line. It's only their fault, right?
I didn't say it was only their fault. I'm answering
your question.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So what I'm saying is, Kayla, and the funniest part is,
you keep bringing up the Lions game. You are entirely
more obsessed with the Lions than me, and it's not
even close. No, you're not.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
You pick the Lions every year. Stop it. You are
entirely more obsessed.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
You're a Lions fan. You come in here with a
Lions hoodie and a hat. You're a Lions fan. Just
admit it. Can you admit it? Can you admit it?
Are you a Lions fan, yes or no? I'm not
even going to answer that. Are you a Lions fan?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No, I'm not. Okay, yes, you are.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Everybody in the world knows I'm a Lions fan. You
can't even be honest with yourself.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Rob Parker.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is the biggest duh in the world. Every single person.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Knows I'm a Lions fan. Anything you say about the
Lions or the NFC North, I can't buy into. Then
that's your own fault. I can't buy into. That's your
own fault.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Because it's always based around the Lions and whether or
not what you want them to do.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
So Caleb Williams looking bad for three and a half
quarters in several games.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It doesn't matter. It's about wins and losses. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stop.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Look how obsessed you get. It's about wins and losses.
This is what I'm talking about. What is it about?
You're obsessed. Stop it. It's all BS. You are obsessed
with Caleb Williams. You're talking about stats that don't matter.
It's about wins and losses.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
His own coach was disappointed in him. You think people
when he threw a game, what his touch went? Oh, well,
too bad he didn't throw for 70% completion rate.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Bears fans are saying, why do we keep being in
this position? That's exactly what they were saying. Bears fans
were saying, can we just beat somebody?
Speaker 4 (17:13):
You can't blame it all on him. Stop it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I'm blaming on Caleb what Caleb did or didn't do.
Caleb Williams is incredibly talented. I would just like to
sit here and hear this all football season.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I have no idea. You do. I don't understand what
you're obsessed about. It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
So let me ask you this. So whoever, name the sport.
I don't care if it's Pitt. We got baseball on
right now. we're not allowed to say, man, somebody can
get better next season?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
No, no.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
That's a raw part.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
God forbid somebody say, wow, Taylor Williams is crazy talented
and I want him to put it together next year.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It's ridiculous for the year that Caleb had last year
that the all wasn't great. The only thing you talk about,
it's about winning games. Don't tell me it wasn't great.
The Lions were.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Supposed to win the division.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Were the Lions supposed to win the division?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Obsession with the Lions. Were the Bears supposed to win
the division? I'm asking you, who was supposed to win
the division last year? So, Who was supposed to win
a division? I don't know who was supposed to win
a division. You don't know now.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
When Michael Parsons got there, wasn't it supposed to be
the Packers? The team that was 15-2. It wasn't supposed
to be the Packers?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I just don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And then it's wins and losses, but it's not wins
for Drake May. But it's only wins for Caleb.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Who you beating? Caleb Williams. Depends on who you're beating.
It doesn't matter. I've always said that. I said it
about the Chiefs. You cherry pick. No, I don't. You
cherry pick. I say it all the time. Just like
you cherry pick Caleb.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
The guy who has a history winning Super Bowls and
Patrick Mahomes gets no grace for anything. But Caleb, who
has done anything, throw over 4,000 yards. Bears still haven't
had a quarterback throw over 4,000 yards.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Do you know what that means? They used to run
the football. They were the monsters of the Midwest. They
ran the football. You're talking about they still love it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm talking about Caleb.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
That was for a reason, though. I'm talking about Caleb.
That was for a reason.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
They ran the football at the Bears. I'm talking about Caleb.
All right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
877-99-05.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You are obsessed with Caleb. No, you are.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yes, you are.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
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Speaker 3 (19:09):
But we got some big football coming up this weekend.
Week one of the NFL is in full effect. And
one of the players and one of the teams, when
we keep an eye on specifically, is the hotly contested,
the controversial, the bane of our existence here on this show,
none other than than Aaron Rodgers, who has let it
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be known this is going to be his final season.
And as a result, he's going on a lot of
different media outlets, making his opinion known very quickly, very eagerly,
very succinctly about a number of topics. This week, he
went on his teammates podcast, Cam Hayward's pod, talked about Dr. Fauci,
talked about Barack Obama, talked about Donald Trump, talked about
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his ex-fiance, talked about.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Boy, did he ever talk about that. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
If you got two hours to kill, go and check
it out because Aaron Rodgers was letting his lips loose.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But one of the things he said, no, resume, because
he said a lot of stuff. Yeah, resume.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
One thing he said, and he was asked about, like, hey, Aaron,
who are some guys that you don't think get enough
love as quarterbacks? And during the course of his answer,
he shared some really interesting insight into how he views
the position.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Take a listen.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
You know, I loved watching Randall growing up, too, because
Randall could just throw that thing. He could move around.
He was active. But I was always a Niner fan, so.
I would say Steve. You know, there's like Dan Marino
was a really good player. Didn't win, so he's not
kind of treated the same. But I think for anybody
like Dan, even myself to some extent, like there's a
difference between being the greatest player.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of your era and.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
Greatest winner of your era.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You know?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Like winning is a team sport. Obviously, it takes great
quarterback play. But the way that the guy's you play against,
talk about you.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
He's the most important. Like, who's the most difficult to
prepare for? And I think that's what, you know, Pat's
already got like three Super Bowls, but like, I feel
like for me, I was that guy for a long
time that was really hard to deal with when I
could really move around and run. And then Pat came
along and it's like, well, this guy can beat you
with his legs, with his arm, with arm angles and
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doing different things and, you know, obviously we'd all love
to win a ton of Super Bowls, but You want
to be regarded as the best player.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well, Aaron Rodgers is top three to five most talented
football players I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I'm talking any position.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Barry Sanders. Deion Sanders, Lawrence Taylor, Tom Brady. I don't know.
You name the position. I mean, just unadulterated. We all
watch him. And Rob, you know, covering Detroit and me
being a Lions fan, seeing him twice a year for
however long it was, 10, 15 years, whatever. I mean,
my gosh. You talk about put fear inside you, put
fear inside your team, put fear inside your locker room.
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He was that guy, without a doubt. He has been incredible.
You're talking about what do you want?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Long ball?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Short passes can run accuracy on another level. I mean,
this guy had it all. And so I have no
argument with him there. And I think the one thing
I will say, what I found interesting is, can we
do that more in basketball where we have the comparisons, right?
Kobe or LeBron, LeBron or Jordan, or this guy versus
this guy, T-Mac versus Kobe. We do that a lot
more in basketball than we do in football. But I
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think I heard something a little bit more interesting. And
it reminds me of if you make Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady,
And you make LeBron and Aaron Rodgers be the same
guy where.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Just talent, winning at a high.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Level, MVPs, all of that, we all know exactly what
LeBron was.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We all know what Aaron Rodgers was, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But both of them, when you hear them talk about themselves,
I think there is something about where they ignore that
there was still left to be desired.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
LeBron, as great as he is, you know how I
feel about him.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
There are still games, there are still actual series where
he should have won. You can't lose to Dallas. You
can't lose a Dallas in the finals. If you're LeBron James,
you can lose maybe one or two other ones. You
can't lose that one. There are some games you had
to have to have won. There's some shots you have
had to have taken and won. And I think LeBron,
even as great as he thinks he is, he thinks
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he's the best part of him knows, man, I left
some to be desired. I personally, not just a team,
I could have done this better. I could have won this.
And I think he knows it. And I think Aaron
Rodgers knows that. I think he knows that's the reason
why people are a little like, ah, man, because they
know how good he was and is. And they know
how incredible he was and is. And they expected a
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little bit more from that guy because I think they
look at it and say there were some games in
the postseason. where you could have finished that thing off.
There were some games to be had where you could
have won it. You singularly, it's a game-winning drive. It's
a game-winning just, hey, get a first down. And he
didn't have those, and sometimes it didn't match the talent.
And I think that's all. I think people look at
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Tom Brady, we know he's not as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
In fact, Tom Brady recently said that when he asked
about it. He said Aaron Rodgers is that guy, the
best passer of the ball I've ever seen. And I
think that's partly why people feel like there was something like, ah,
I wanted more out of Aaron Rodgers because he was
so special, because he was so gifted. I don't think
anybody argues that. But when it came crunch time, there
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were games where he let you down or let Packer
fans down and you wanted more from him. And I
just think that's a similar thing with LeBron. Like I said,
you know how Phil Brown's that guy, but there were
games or there were moments or there were series where
you say, dang, I needed you to make that happen,
and he didn't. And I think that's different. And you
look at a Tom Brady. I'm not as gifted. I'm
not as that without a doubt benefited from Bill Belichick
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and that special teams and that defense.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
But he took full advantage, and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
There were games where he found a way to win
no matter what. And I think there's a handful of
times with Aaron Rodgers, specifically in the postseason, where we
needed him to maybe let that pass go. I know
it's not perfect.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It might get picked up, but you got to do
it because sometimes that's how you win games.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
And he left something to me to be desired. And
you want it more winning from a guy in a
very stable and good organization. It's not like he was
the Panthers quarterback. He's with the Packers, who have plenty
of good teams, plenty of good seasons, 14-2 when it
was 16 games, and so many times he dominated his division,
dominated the conference, and you thought, oh, this clearly is
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the time where he gets it done in the Super
Bowl again, and he didn't. So that's the only thing.
He is remarkable. I still believe he's one of the
top five most talented football players ever, any position.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I don't give a dang.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
He is remarkable, but I wanted a bit more in
the winning from him And that's okay. And that's why
it reminds me of LeBron, where LeBron has to sell
you on himself. LeBron has to kind of cover up
to his tracks, if you will, kind of overly state,
because I think even both he and Aaron Rodgers know,
I myself could have done a little bit more to
allude to winning the ultimate prize, which is a championship.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, I think Tom Brady said it best that and
that he's the greatest throw of the football that he
ever saw. I mean, I think it's different about accomplishments.
And and the thing that I think is comical is,
you know, the act like Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Like defensively, he had.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
A top 10 defense, top five defense for all those
years they won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
They cheated.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
They had a couple of cheating scandals, but people act
like none of it happened. And then you look at
Aaron Rodgers' career, and these aren't like making excuses. I
just give you the raw numbers. 2009, the defense gave
up 45 points.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
2011, gave up 37 points. 2012, gave up 45 points.
This is the gist or the meat of his career.
You ready?
Speaker 5 (27:05):
2013 led the Packers to a game-time drive, never got
the ball back, and overtime was sudden death. 20th of
next year led the Packers to a game-time drive, right?
Never got the ball back. The next year, 2015, led
them to a game-tying drive.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Guess what?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Never got the ball back because the defense always gave
it up. 2016, the defense gave up 44 points. 2019,
they gave up 37 points. Like, these are real numbers.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Here it is.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Times a defense allow 43 points or more in a game.
Three times for Aaron Rodgers in 10 playoff losses. Tom Brady,
zero times in 381 starts.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Not postseason games.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Zero times did Tom Brady's defense give up 43 or.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
More points in his career. That's an astonishing number. And
here's the last part. Percentage of season with top 10 defenses.
Tom Brady, 72%. Of his career, he had a top
10 defense, 15 out of the 21 seasons he played.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Peyton Manning, four times out of 17.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Aaron Rodgers, 12 and a half, two times in 16 years.
And I just think you have to take everything into account.
No one's saying he's perfect. No one said he never
made any mistakes. No one said he played great all
the time. But you have to take a look at it.
And most people, if you're just looking at it, if
you strip away the Super Bowl, just look at talent
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and what he did and the numbers or whatever, the–
The greatest quarterback rating of any quarterback in the history
of the NFL. The greatest touchdown to interception ratio than
any other quarterback in the NFL. There's a lot of
meat on the bone that's hard to look at it,
and it would be different. If he never won, then
I'll buy into that argument. You could dismiss him if
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he never won. Won a Super Bowl, was a Super
Bowl MVP when he got there. And I still think
Tom Brady's the most accomplished quarterback, but I think the
best quarterback I ever saw play in the National Football League,
and I'm talking about skill-wise, was Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
That's why I don't think there's many would argue with you.
I mean, obviously, he mentioned him. Patrick Mahomes might be
now in the case. A lot of people might throw
him in the mix.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
John L.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Might raise his hand and say, hold up, your boy
got something to say. But as far as just pure,
unadulterated talent, absolutely. I still, my one pushback on that
is there have been, you mentioned a lot on the defense,
but if you go through some of those NFC games,
in the playoffs games, there were multiple times where he
had the chance to win it and he didn't. And, again,
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I think that's where I think he would know that.
I think if he honestly would be like, yo, that
was on your bull.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Those numbers there are ridiculous. Like, seriously.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
And the last part, if you really want to be honest,
that at no time during his career with the Green
Bay Packers did they draft a skilled position in the
first round.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Not once. Like, not once. That's because he was so good,
they thought they could get away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But he had an amazing receiving core. Probably 80% of
his career.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
No, no, no.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
I'm talking about, but they still never drafted another... They
never drafted a skilled position in the first round when
he was there.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Draft the first round or give me receivers.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, that's mind-boggling. You think Jordan Love? Look at what
they did for Jordan Love already. I mean, it just
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
And their receiving core is no way near as good
as what he had all those years. Man, he was
loaded up on offense with receivers. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (30:52):
No.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But I'm just saying, I look at the 2021 against
the 49ers. They lose 13-10.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
They only score the early drive in the game, and
they can't get the offense going the rest of the game.
You look at the 2014 NFC Championship versus Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
They lose in overtime. They got four turnovers for him,
and they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Did he tie the game? That's the game, right? Didn't
they lose that game in overtime? He never got the
ball back.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I gave you four interceptions.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
That doesn't mean you don't know where the interceptions are.
You've got to find a way to win this game.
They can be on your side. That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. It doesn't automatically mean it. It
doesn't automatically mean it. I hear you.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
But what I'm saying is for how talented he is.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
We all agree. No, no, no. That's the thing. We
all agree.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
You also got to look at, and that's where Tom
Brady comes in, defensively.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like, it's not enough to come back from 28-3.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Your defense has to shut down the Falcons the rest
of the way in order to even.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Give you that chance. Like, you could make a comeback.
Your defense has to sometime get you a stop. They
had Arizona. They had Arizona. He came back, got him
a touchdown, right, to tie the game. Arizona gets the ball.
That was the year that Arizona went to the Super
Bowl against Pittsburgh. That was the time right there. If
they get a stop, the defense, right, if they get
(32:06):
a stop... They got a chance. There's three years in
a row where he didn't get the ball back.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
The greatest example is the 2020 against Tom Brady where
Tom Brady, he gave him multiple interceptions. They couldn't score themselves.
Three second-half picks, and you got to ice that game.
You have to win that game.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Where were the picks is what you're saying. Were the
picks a punt? Were they way downfield? Were they at
the three-yard line?
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You have the ball, Rob. I don't care if I
gave it to you to one. Go down and score,
and that's all I'm saying. In the postseason, Tom Brady
has the ball, all of us go, oh, shoot, it's
a wrap.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Patrick Mahomes has the ball, you go, oh, that's a wrap.
Aaron Rodgers with all of his talent. Tom Brady won
two Super Bowls with one touchdown. He won two Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
No, no, no. He won two Super Bowls with one touchdown.
I know, Rob. So how did that happen? No, how
did that happen? How did he win two Super Bowls
with throwing one touchdown?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That happens all the time. Even Aaron Rodgers talked about
it in that podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
No, I'm asking.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I'm saying, how many Super Bowls did Aaron Rodgers win
without throwing a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Come on. This is what I'm trying to tell you.
He only got one.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
No, but I'm saying Tom Brady got two Super Bowls
with throwing one touchdown.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's a big advantage because defense. Let's say you took
those away. He's got five.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
And he cheated. And he cheated the other ones.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Aaron Rodgers, when it's.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
In the postseason, He was unlike when Patrick Mahomes has
the ball, everyone goes, oh, it's a wrap. When Tom
Brady has the ball, you go, oh, it's a wrap.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
How?
Speaker 5 (33:40):
When he tied three postseason games to force the game
into overtime?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Because he just didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Get enough done for how great he was. That's all
I'm saying. You mentioned it. If you're talking about throwing
the ball on talent, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
He mentioned it. But when it came to getting it
done as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
When I think of the failures of Green Bay, I
think of, A, that their defense was never good enough. Like,
if he had Tom Brady's defense that they had with
Bill Belichick, he might have won 10 Super Bowls. If
he had that kind of a defense, it was unbelievable
what Bill Belichick did.
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