May 19, 2023 • 38 mins
Chris Broussard and Rob Guerra react to the passing of Jim Brown and discuss about whether he will go down as the greatest football player of all time. Plus, Chris and Rob talk about Jamal Murray being the Mountain West version of Jimmy Butler and ponder if Game 2 is a must win for the Boston Celtics.
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You know, it's a Friday.
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First things First, my television show with Nick Rye and
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in want strain myself.
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So I brought in as I tend to do when
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That's a man. Don't can no, my man, he gonna
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As you know, Chris, I had to take a mental
health day yesterday. I was off from the show because
I was so nervous about getting in the octagon with you,
and I knew what was coming. You know, You've been
sending me these very threatening text messages and voice messages,
and I was like, you know what, I gotta get
myself straight, get into my zone because it's gonna be
a tough day on Friday.
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Yes, yes, well welcome. I will take it easy on.
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You, you know you my man, and so don't worry
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Where is Alex in the grades?
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He's deep in the crate, y'all producer of course, a
super producer. Rob g is here doing double duty and
on the updates, on the updates, our man Steve this saying,
all right, Rob, we're gonna start on a somber note.
And yet you know it also, look, we understand everyone
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has to die at some point, and we're girl.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
As we get older, you're not as old as.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Me, but you start to see legends, people that you
looked up to, people that you you revered for various reasons,
some athletes and other you know, politicians, musicians, actors, just
great people in general. And one of those legends passed
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away today and that, of course everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm sure who's listening. Jim Brown.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Jim Brown died today at eighty seven years old. Arguably
when we'll get into this, but the greatest not only
running back.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But football player ever.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He is in that discussion, and many would say he
is the greatest football player ever.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think I'm in that lot.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, there's other ones it, Lawrence Taylor, Tom Brady,
if you just I mean, I'm I'm I think Brady's
the goat, but not the greatest football player, but the
goat quarterback, you know, Jerry Rice, some say, Dion Sanders,
who whoever you might want to say.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
But also Rob.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Jim Brown was a legendary activist on behalf of the
African American community. And we know he played during the
sixties when things were much different in this country. You
were just I mean early sixties, you still had legal segregation,
and then in that decade was the end.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Of segregation legally at least.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And African Americans obviously faced a lot of obstacles that
aren't there today. We still have some obstacles, but not
like it was in the sixties. And Jim Brown was
always outspoken and even after you know, the sixties. Rob
after he retired, after he was long gone from the
athletic scene, he started a Mari I Can which was
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an organization to help gang members, particularly in Los Angeles,
but gang members in this country transition from prison or
the gangs into regular, everyday productive life as an American citizen.
So look, he wasn't a perfect man. He had some
domestic violence issues back in the day. And you know,
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but he was a phenomenal football player and did great
things in the community and in this country. And Rob
when I grew up, and I grew up in the
seventies and eighties and Jim Brown, I never saw him play.
I mean I saw film and highlights and all that stuff.
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But even though I never saw him play, he was
just this legendary figure. He was like a Lebron James,
like Michael Jordan, Muhammad al Lee, and he still is actually,
but it was so close to the time he retired,
he was still in movies. I remember him seeing him
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in movies. Slaughter Read a Hard Way. He did a
lot of black exploitation films, but other films as well.
With Roquel Welch, he did a film first interracial love scene.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
With rockel Welch in a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So he was just this legendary, larger than life figure.
And it is tough when legends like this, particularly from
your childhood, die, And I would I'm interested to hear
your thoughts on him, Rob, because you know you're much
younger than me, and you know he wasn't as much
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on the scene if you will, during your childhood as
he was in mind.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, And if you're any kind of sports fan and
you don't know the history of Jim Brown, that you're
doing yourself with a service. Now, just to put into context,
you said he's the greatest if your money, the greatest
port player ever them, I would actually agree with you.
But if you don't know, okay. He was played nine
seasons for the Browns fifty seven to sixty five, led
the league in rushing eight of those nine years. He
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rushed for over twelve thousand yards and averaged five point
two yards per carrying his career. He was a Pro
bowler every season of his career. He made it to
the championship game three times, he won the championship once.
He was a three time MVP. He never missed a
regular season game. That's increble okay, Like, and for my money,
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the only other person you can compared to him historically
would be Jerry Rice. Where you know, Jim Brown had
the record at the time one hundred and twenty six
total touchdowns that Jerry Rice eventually broke. When he broke it,
it took Jerry Rice thirty three more games to break
that record. Like, I don't think it's it's possible unless
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you are really doing your homework to appreciate how dominant
he was right at the sport of football, probably more
so than anybody ever has been and probably ever will be. Well,
sorry I just said with quickly, and as great as
he was on the field, there's a large segment of
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the population who believes that was secondary to what made
him so special, Like that photo from I believe it
was the Cleveland summit.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, nineteen sixties, Yes, with Bill.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Russell and Louel Sender up there together with him to
discuss what was going on with supporting Muhammad Ali. It
was the big premise at that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Home Ali wouldn't go to Va exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
And that moment is something that transcends sports. It transcends
football obviously, and it's something that people need to understand
and recognize how significant of a moment it was in
our history, not just as a sports fan, but as
an American citizen.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Absolutely, And Jim Brown, as I said, I mean, he
was much more than just a football player, as Rob said,
and he actually wanted to that summing. I mean, obviously
it was in support of Muhammad Ali, but he really
wanted African American athletes and other wealthy African Americans to
work together to create economic empowerment for African Americans. And
(10:15):
to be honest, we haven't done that to this day
what he really envisioned. And so he had wanted to
create something called the Black Economic Union, I believe was
the name, and it got going locally in the Midwest,
but never really took off nationally. And I would actually
maybe challenge today's not maybe challenge some of our athletes
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and entertainers today to take up that mantle and work
towards economic empowerment of African Americans as a whole and
not just you know, flawning stuff individually. Not that all
of them do, but some do. And so that was
that's what Jim Brown was about. But Rob, you brought
up the football and just you know, a few things
(11:00):
to echo what you said. Jim Brown is still today
the only football NFL player ever to average more than
one hundred yards per game for their career. He averaged
one hundred and four point three yards a game for
his career. Barry Sanders is second with ninety nine point
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eight right there, but not quite at one hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Jim Brown is one of the few.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Running backs ever to average over five yards per attempt
for his career.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That was a.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Huge number back when I was younger, and really up
until recent times. Michael Vick, not a running back as
the record at seven, but Randall Cunningham six point four.
Maria Motley, who was a running back before Jim Brown,
he averaged five point seven, that's the record. Jamal Charles,
who had the great, if somewhat brief career in Kansas City,
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five point Nick Chubb's currently at five point two, and
then Jim Brown at five point two. So to this day,
he still, you know, has numbers that have not been
surpassed by most of the great greatest running backs we've
ever seen. I think the only argument ryme against him
being the goat running back or even football player would
(12:20):
probably be one if for those that consider Brady I
mean again, I view him as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's like a pitcher in baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
To me, I wouldn't view Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson
or Bob Gibson as the greatest baseball player. I don't
know view a quarterback as the greatest football player. But
Jim Brown, it would be Rob that when you look
at how African Americans have dominated sports, or football in particular,
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and basketball, but football in this case, you might some
would say, well, you know, there was still not legal
rules necessarily, but a lot of rules keeping a lot
of great African Americans from playing at that time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So was the competition he faced.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It wasn't what it is today or even in that
the nineties, you know, or beyond after that. But I
would say that doesn't stop us many many people from
recognizing Babe Ruth as the greatest baseball player ever. And
so I would counter that with with that argument. And again,
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his number is not like his numbers are really that comparable,
Rob to what anybody's doing today. You said he led
the league in rushing eight out of nine years. He
rushed for more than one hundred yards per game. For
let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven of.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
His nine seasons and again career over one hundred. So
I look, it's a great debate. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I don't feel like it's as cut and dried as
the NBA debate, where I believe Jordan is clearly the goat,
but Jim Brown is hard to argue against him being
the greatest of all time.
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way in Simply put, is Jim Brown the greatest football player?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All right, let's hear from the people. Chris get it
started with Rick and Fort Lauderdale rigging on the OKA.
But Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
What you got, buddy, Good evening, gentlemen, how you doing good?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Good? How are you?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I'm good? Yes, Jim Brown was to do. Remember he
played in the twelve game season, not even fourteen or
seventeen like we have now. He played in the twelve
game season. He's the only quarterback to win three mbps.
And he was civil rights activists. But he was also
a humanitarian. When you work with gangs, it's not a
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being a humanitarian. It's not just about donating money, but
what you do in your community. So working with gangs
I think makes him a humanitarian. And what I loved
about Jim Brown is that he worked with both, you know,
both parties. He wasn't just whether a Democrat or Right.
He went. He visited with President Trump. I'm sure he
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worked with Democratic president. So he was an all around
He just wanted the best for the black community. He
and this is one thing that I loved about him.
When he ever he played down here in South Florida
at Bad Marinals tournament, he would sign autographs, not like
a lot of today's players that won't sign for free
unless the getting paid. No, Jim Brown would sign for you.
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He would talk to you. He was a very humble
and nice man. And here's one last thing. People talk
about how great he was up lacrosse. I have heard
and read that he actually his best sport was actually baseball.
He could have been a major league Wow, wow, baseball player.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well he was.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's a great call, and thank you for those for
that recollection.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, that was great. He was All American in lacrosse.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Rob averaged thirty eight points a game in basketball in
high school.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean, and hit the baseball. You just heard Rich
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So yeah, And just for housekeeping, he did play half
of his career with the fourteen game season. But yeah,
but shames. But also he's mentioned a three time MVP.
This I'm ricking through his Pro Football Reference page through
his nine year career. This is his MVP finishes every
year first, first, third, third, fourth, This one of there's
no I don't know what PB means first second or
(17:08):
excuse me second second.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
First, Wow, Well, I think right.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Like, just comprehend that, right, he is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
In the discussion we're talking about greatest football player ever.
But when you talk about just greatest athlete, and let's
just say pure athlete, not they did this, they did
the most in their sport, but just kind of pure
all around athlete. He's in that discussion him. I would
put Lebron James in there. Yes, uh, those two fers.
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I mean maybe Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Because he was I think would be the other one
I would think of, Yeah, I mean Champ all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Dion, you could put Dion Sanders in there.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Well, I mean, look, Dion is great, right, legendary, too professional,
two sport athlete. I think even he would say, no,
I'm I'm not in Jim Brown's class. In the class.
I think I think he's in the class.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And now he might humbly say that, but in his
art he's in the class.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He might not.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Jim Brown was six two two thirty. Yeah, like that's
that's just a different kind of physicals.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's a good point, all right, And Dion was lightning
as Jim was.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But but just keep it moving. We got Kyle and Virginia. Kyle,
you're on the Akaba Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
What you got, Hey, Hey, guys, how you doing good?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
How you doing good?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Y'all stole my thunder. I was talking. I was gonna
talk about how he was got to be one of
the top three athletes of all time, Uh, right up
there with like Babe Ruth and Wilt Chamberlain in terms
of just legendary, just so much better than everybody else.
And but since you sold that, I'll go ahead and
talk about also he was a humanitarian at and same
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for that as much as anything. And anyway, I'm sad
to hear thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, that's a good call.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And Rob to have such a great sports career and
then you know, have arguably as as great you know,
do as great things off the field.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That says a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
He was territory winning the MVP at eight. He just
turned thirty, and I didn't even know why. I knew
he retired early to do move to do movies, and
according to to ESPN, Art Modell, who was the Browns owner,
threatened to suspend Brown's pay if he didn't report the
training camp on time because he was filming The Dirty
doesn't And instead He's like, I'm just gonna retire. Then
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what work on movies and my social.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Just I think he was making more money from movies.
I'm sure he was at that time. I'm sure he was.
All right, we got time for one more. We got
to get in the legend here, Marcus Zacramento. Mark, you're
on the OCA, Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
But you guys took more call to This was kind
of this was from my era. Uh, seeing seeing this
man pass away. I don't think the young people really
understand the effect he had on society. Just just a
great man. And I'm really sad because two of the
greatest voices during that time that helped us to the
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civil rights passed away this year and there in heaven.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Him and Bill Russell flank Muhammad Ali in that picture.
They now both have gone to heaven. So I feel
a little bit sad. I'm looking at a pitch on
my wall. I have five pictures on my wall in
my dan I'll tell you it is Martin Luther King, Nelson, Mandela,
Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, and Jim Brown. I'm looking right
at him.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
No, and that that's a great call. Mark.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And you know some people might say, oh, they're just athletes,
you know, how do you put them next to Martin
Luther King.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Look, those athletes, they.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Had a huge impact on this country, not just sports, but.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The entire society.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
There's no question about it that their dominance and greatness
in sports went a long way in, you know, bringing
about better race relations there and for all they went through,
it still did make things better racially in a.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Lot of way. But Mark is missing one picture from
his office. That's the picture of Chris and Rob the
odd couple. I feel like you guys have done just
as much as the rest of those cats.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Flattery will get you nuts, right, I'm still gonna take
you down.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Gonna take me a lot of places, all.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Right, Rob G. I told y'all he had takes.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, he got one coming up, and it's gonna knock
your socks off.
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
And Rob G, you are our resident super Lakers fan
and sorry to say that your Lakers went down last night.
Jamal Murray and Nicola Jokic shot him down one eight,
one three. The Nuggets take a two to oh lead
over the Lakers, and Jamal Murray did it twenty three
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points in the fourth quarter. To put that into perspective,
because he finished with thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
In one quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He had more points, seven more points than Anthony Davis
for the entire game.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And jecked this out in one quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He scored more points than Lebron James did the entire game,
more than any Lakers scored in the entire game. And
he leads him to a two oh victory. And uh,
what do you have to say about Jamal Murray?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Everything that we say positive about Jimmy Butler playoff Jimmy,
which is a thing. By the way, we need to
have that same energy for Jamal Murray. He's the Mountain
West version of playoffs.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Oh, all right, this postseason he has the most thirty
point games, tied with Jokicen Tatum. Okay, he is one
of only two players with one hundred plus fourth quarter
points in this postseason. Oh this season. Actually, even more
oppressively in his career, he is averaging in the playoffs
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twenty five, six and five on forty seven, forty one,
ninety one and the most impressive stat of all. After
last night, he now has four twenty point fourth quarters
in a playoff in his playoff career, which is two
more than Michael Jordan, who is the.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Most since the I guess they started was the playbop.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, they started keeping track of that in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, so I don't it'd be interesting to see what Jordan.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It shouldn't be too hard to find out, right, just
somewhere got time someone right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
But but yeah, but since then, Jordan got twice.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
As Jamal Murray scores efficiently, as his number suggests, and
more importantly, he is an absolute killer in the fourth quarter,
even not just counting last night, but throughout the Nuggets postseason.
Jokic will carry him for the first two two and
a half three quarters, but when it's crunch time and
people start getting tight and offenses start bogging down, everything
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goes through Jamal Murray. He is, without a doubt, one
of the best playoff performers that we have in the
NBA right now, if not the best. When you consider
what he normally does in the regular season compared to
what he does in the postseason, his numbers shoot up
through the roof. Like nobody we've seen even including Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Butler playoff Jimmy West of the Mountain, West, respect the
world West. One thing you forgot to mention back in
the bubble and a lot of people were calling him bubble, bubble,
jamal and all that. Yep, And and remember that I
won't say legendary because it was only a first round series,
but the terrific series.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Between Denver and Utah.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, and he was going at it with Donovan Mitchell
and checked this out ROGI in three consecutive games. These
were his numbers. Fifty points, forty two points.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Fifty points.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, now, the two games before the first fifty
he had fourteen and twelve. But still fifty forty two
and fifty is crazy. And a lot of people disparaged him.
It almost became almost a negative. Oh he was great
in the bubble, you know, but what's he done since then? Well,
here's the problem. He's been injured, hurt. I don't think
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it had any I don't think it was anything to
do with the bubble, like some guys, right.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Warren was phenomenal in the bubble and hadn't done much since.
It's been all about the injuries. He had that acl
injury hasn't really been healthy and this is the first
year he's back, really back to himself.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, and you see what he's doing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look, all you said is good. Here's the one reason
that I wouldn't say. I would say this year Butler
so far has been more impressive in the playoffs because
Jamal is doing it as the second guy. I don't
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mean that in a negative way, but it's all off
of Nikola Jokic. Like Nicola Jokic is arguably the best
player in the world, and Nicola, as you said, is
carrying him for three quarters. Jamal is the I don't
want to say it, like Jokic isn't clutch, but Jamal
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is closing. You know, the closer, right, And but to close,
you have to have somebody to get you there. Now,
maybe it'll be you, like it was Jordan in Miami,
it's Butler. But in Denver, the guy that gets you
there is Yokic, and he also draws so much attention
that that just in and of itself, makes it easier
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for Jamal Murray, whereas Butler it is Butler's playing with
Caleb Martin, undrafted Max Strus undrafted Gabe Vincent, undrafted.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Kevin love Old.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean, and you know what I'm saying, like he
has to carry us to the finish line and then
close it, like I just that's the difference. And I'm
not saying Murray couldn't do that. I don't know that
he could or couldn't. But we don't know because we
haven't had He hasn't had to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We haven't had to see him be that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And I do think a lot as great as he is,
I do think a lot of people have would question
if he was the one number one guy, could he
be a number one guy and take a team this deep?
And that's why I'd say, no, he's not as great
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as he's been, and he has been phenomenal. I would
still now in the class of Butler, absolutely, but I
give Butler the edge because he's had a much much
more difficult load to carry and burden will.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think at some point the undrafted teammates narrative kind
of loses its steam a little bit when you consider
that just because the guy's undrafted doesn't mean that he
hasn't been a great NBA player, or Austin Reeves is
proving that point exactly. And this Miami Heat team, which
had a terrible regular season shooting from the three ball,
(28:52):
has become like the Katie Steph Curry Warriors in this
playoff run when if you leave a guy open gave
Vincent Max Strews, that is going in, like it, there's you,
you lose them on a pin down, that three is
gonna go up. It's gonna go in and nothing you
can do about it. So they are playing very well
around him. Same thing is going on in Denver, and.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think they are, but there's no Jokic. There's nobody
close to Yogic. There's nobody drawing the double teams like
Jokic is in Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Wouldn't you say, and and you know, I don't want
to get you exis, but wouldn't you say that as
good as Yokic is, their best play in Denver period
is Murray Yokic pick and roll. Yeah, And it's not
just because because of both. Murray's absolutely devastating in the
pick and roll, but.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But Jokic is not, Like that's the only way Jokic
gets it done. That even that play, even that play
is Murray being helped by Jokic. Yokic, I'll put him
down on the block and he'll back anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Down and throw up a little jump hook anybody or Yo.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, now, Murray could obviously hit threes without the pick too,
but so can Yokic. Like I again, I'm not saying
Murray would. I don't think so, because is he not
the number two guy?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, but Kobe was a Shack. It didn't make it
any less impressive, uh A little.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Really, Kobe was young.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So Kobe was great, don't get me wrong, he was phenomenal,
but he was also very young, so that added to Wow,
this young kid is doing this now. If he had
been twenty eight at the time, it would have been
still been impressive. But he was young and it was
clear that Shack was the guy. Like you wouldn't compare
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what Kobe did in those first three finals that they
won to what Jordan did when.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
He won the finals, you know what I'm saying, right,
So that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Like Jordan had to carry his two Jimmy Butler has
to carry his team. Kobe and Murray, at least Kobe
in that first iteration with Shaq did not have to
carry the team. They may have closed the deal, sealed
the deal, but it was somebody.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Else, very dearly similar the way you describe it. Shaq
was the guy that driving the force, but then who
closed the door. It was Kobe, same thing with Yok
with you Murdy.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Similar to something else later. Yes, yes, all right, but
we got a big game coming up tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Speaking to Jimmy Butler, just about as close as you
can get to a must win for the Celtics. We'll
get into that next. But it's the Eye Couple Chris
and Rob. Y'all know what to do.
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Keep it locked.
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Speaker 4 (32:01):
Uh Robi Alex.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes, must win the night for the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I don't know if you know this, Chris. I'm sure
you do because you're a you know, well read individual.
You go with the big television show on FS one.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
The Boston Celtics, who are hosting Game two in Boston,
are better on the road than they are at home.
They're four and four in this postseason at home, four
and two on the road. So even if they fall
down two here in the first two games going back
to Miami, I would probably have more confidence in them
to win the next two in Miami than if they
(32:38):
were to win tonight. Then I would for them to
win the next two in Miami. That makes any sense. Oh,
that does make sense.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's interesting.
It does makes it. I'll put it this way. I
would have more confidence in them if they lose this
game tonight winning the next two on the road than
any other team in the playoffs. And that goes for
(33:05):
the sixteen teams, not just the four that are you know.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So I'll give you that. I don't know why that
is that they're better on the road than they are
at home. Obviously they have a.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Great home crowd and everything, but that is the reality.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And they are frustrating.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Like that's the understatement, Chris, Oh my god, right, exasperating.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
They play with their food. That's the new phrase out there, right.
They play with their food too much. And I don't
want to say play with the me I don't want
to take anything away from Miami, but.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm sorry Boston.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Now, Eric Sposter is the best coach YEP by a
mile and no disrepected Joe Missoula.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
But you're a rookie.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You've made some rookie mistakes, obviously repeatedly, yes, and you're
going against arguably the best coach in the league, certainly
one of them, and so they Miami has that advantage.
I think Jason Tatum is a better player than Jimmy Butler,
but when it.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Gets to the playoffs, it's definitely arguable.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Regular season, I mean, but Tatum's number four in the
MVP voting. Tatum was first team All NBA. I don't
think anybody's gonna disagree with him being a better at
least regular season player, but in the playoffs it's arguable.
But Boston clearly has the better roster and should win
(34:34):
this series on talent. And so when they lose, as
much as we want to and should credit Miami, a
lot of it is Boston just didn't show up and
do what it's supposed to do. They've used terms like
let go of the role, not playing with a sense
of urgency, getting complacent. Marcus Smart says, sometimes we don't
(34:58):
do the little things. That's all true, and so I
think some of it, rob G might be that when
they go on the road, because they play with their food. Yep,
they often are in a desperation situation. But the fact
is they do get it done. Last year, they were
(35:19):
down one oh to Miami at this point last year
in Eastern Conference Finals, they won that series in seven,
and guess where they won Game seven at Miami last
year the series before that, down three to two, going to.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Milwaukee against the best player in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
They win that game six and then go back to
Boston where.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Again they don't play well rap and they won game seven.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So this is a team that, for whatever reason, plays
its best basketball when its backs are against the wall.
Now I hate them putting their backs against the wall,
and they might do it again tonight. I don't think so.
I think they win because while they're not, it's not
do or die, it is you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I don't want to mess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Around with Jimmy Butler and they're exposter right, they're not
Doc Rivers and Joe lmb It would all due respect
or James Harden for that matter, like they are. Jimmy Butler.
Rob Gi is a flat out dog. He might have
the most heart.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
A lot of dudes in the league were hard. Most
guys in the league got great heart. He might have
the most heart in the league. He might be the grittiest, grimiest,
toughest dude in the league mentally physically, and if you
are not a dog yourself, you will wilt in his
(36:52):
presence on the court.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I don't think Boston's doing that at all.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I think Jason Tatum has shown he got dog any
and Jaylen Brown and Marcus Martin, some of these other guys,
Al Horford their team, They're not soft, no, right, And
so I just wouldn't want to play around.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
With that Rob.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
I wouldn't either. And you know what they say, Yeah,
they had that dog in him. Like you've seen the
X rays on social media, it's an X ray of
a dog and then a guy and there's an X
ray of a dog inside of his chest. I saw
one on Twitter the other day. It was an X
ray of a dog had Jimmy Butler inside of him.
It was the verse like man that dog got Jimmy
Butler in him.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right right, I love that.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But he looked he had a tough upbringing.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He you know, I never would have imagined Robb G
when he was I wouldn't even he wasn't even playing second.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Fiddle to Derrick Rose Nogo.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He was like just you know, a player, and uh,
I never would have imagined he become this good, but
he is so Boston.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Better take care of business, all right, We got two
hours left. It's the eye Couble. Keep it locked.
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
You know, it's a Friday.
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First things First, my television show with Nick Rye and
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So I brought in as I tend to do when
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That's a man. Don't can no, my man, he gonna
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Speaker 4 (02:36):
As you know, Chris, I had to take a mental
health day yesterday. I was off from the show because
I was so nervous about getting in the octagon with you,
and I knew what was coming. You know, You've been
sending me these very threatening text messages and voice messages,
and I was like, you know what, I gotta get
myself straight, get into my zone because it's gonna be
a tough day on Friday.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, yes, well welcome. I will take it easy on.
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You, you know you my man, and so don't worry
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Speaker 2 (03:17):
Where is Alex in the grades?
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He's deep in the crate, y'all producer of course, a
super producer. Rob g is here doing double duty and
on the updates, on the updates, our man Steve this saying,
all right, Rob, we're gonna start on a somber note.
And yet you know it also, look, we understand everyone
(03:45):
has to die at some point, and we're girl.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
As we get older, you're not as old as.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Me, but you start to see legends, people that you
looked up to, people that you you revered for various reasons,
some athletes and other you know, politicians, musicians, actors, just
great people in general. And one of those legends passed
(04:14):
away today and that, of course everybody knows.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm sure who's listening. Jim Brown.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Jim Brown died today at eighty seven years old. Arguably
when we'll get into this, but the greatest not only
running back.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
But football player ever.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He is in that discussion, and many would say he
is the greatest football player ever.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think I'm in that lot.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, there's other ones it, Lawrence Taylor, Tom Brady,
if you just I mean, I'm I'm I think Brady's
the goat, but not the greatest football player, but the
goat quarterback, you know, Jerry Rice, some say, Dion Sanders,
who whoever you might want to say.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
But also Rob.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Jim Brown was a legendary activist on behalf of the
African American community. And we know he played during the
sixties when things were much different in this country. You
were just I mean early sixties, you still had legal segregation,
and then in that decade was the end.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Of segregation legally at least.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And African Americans obviously faced a lot of obstacles that
aren't there today. We still have some obstacles, but not
like it was in the sixties. And Jim Brown was
always outspoken and even after you know, the sixties. Rob
after he retired, after he was long gone from the
athletic scene, he started a Mari I Can which was
(05:51):
an organization to help gang members, particularly in Los Angeles,
but gang members in this country transition from prison or
the gangs into regular, everyday productive life as an American citizen.
So look, he wasn't a perfect man. He had some
domestic violence issues back in the day. And you know,
(06:14):
but he was a phenomenal football player and did great
things in the community and in this country. And Rob
when I grew up, and I grew up in the
seventies and eighties and Jim Brown, I never saw him play.
I mean I saw film and highlights and all that stuff.
(06:35):
But even though I never saw him play, he was
just this legendary figure. He was like a Lebron James,
like Michael Jordan, Muhammad al Lee, and he still is actually,
but it was so close to the time he retired,
he was still in movies. I remember him seeing him
(06:57):
in movies. Slaughter Read a Hard Way. He did a
lot of black exploitation films, but other films as well.
With Roquel Welch, he did a film first interracial love scene.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
With rockel Welch in a movie.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So he was just this legendary, larger than life figure.
And it is tough when legends like this, particularly from
your childhood, die, And I would I'm interested to hear
your thoughts on him, Rob, because you know you're much
younger than me, and you know he wasn't as much
(07:33):
on the scene if you will, during your childhood as
he was in mind.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, And if you're any kind of sports fan and
you don't know the history of Jim Brown, that you're
doing yourself with a service. Now, just to put into context,
you said he's the greatest if your money, the greatest
port player ever them, I would actually agree with you.
But if you don't know, okay. He was played nine
seasons for the Browns fifty seven to sixty five, led
the league in rushing eight of those nine years. He
(08:01):
rushed for over twelve thousand yards and averaged five point
two yards per carrying his career. He was a Pro
bowler every season of his career. He made it to
the championship game three times, he won the championship once.
He was a three time MVP. He never missed a
regular season game. That's increble okay, Like, and for my money,
(08:26):
the only other person you can compared to him historically
would be Jerry Rice. Where you know, Jim Brown had
the record at the time one hundred and twenty six
total touchdowns that Jerry Rice eventually broke. When he broke it,
it took Jerry Rice thirty three more games to break
that record. Like, I don't think it's it's possible unless
(08:46):
you are really doing your homework to appreciate how dominant
he was right at the sport of football, probably more
so than anybody ever has been and probably ever will be. Well,
sorry I just said with quickly, and as great as
he was on the field, there's a large segment of
(09:07):
the population who believes that was secondary to what made
him so special, Like that photo from I believe it
was the Cleveland summit.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, nineteen sixties, Yes, with Bill.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Russell and Louel Sender up there together with him to
discuss what was going on with supporting Muhammad Ali. It
was the big premise at that.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Home Ali wouldn't go to Va exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
And that moment is something that transcends sports. It transcends
football obviously, and it's something that people need to understand
and recognize how significant of a moment it was in
our history, not just as a sports fan, but as
an American citizen.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Absolutely, And Jim Brown, as I said, I mean, he
was much more than just a football player, as Rob said,
and he actually wanted to that summing. I mean, obviously
it was in support of Muhammad Ali, but he really
wanted African American athletes and other wealthy African Americans to
work together to create economic empowerment for African Americans. And
(10:15):
to be honest, we haven't done that to this day
what he really envisioned. And so he had wanted to
create something called the Black Economic Union, I believe was
the name, and it got going locally in the Midwest,
but never really took off nationally. And I would actually
maybe challenge today's not maybe challenge some of our athletes
(10:36):
and entertainers today to take up that mantle and work
towards economic empowerment of African Americans as a whole and
not just you know, flawning stuff individually. Not that all
of them do, but some do. And so that was
that's what Jim Brown was about. But Rob, you brought
up the football and just you know, a few things
(11:00):
to echo what you said. Jim Brown is still today
the only football NFL player ever to average more than
one hundred yards per game for their career. He averaged
one hundred and four point three yards a game for
his career. Barry Sanders is second with ninety nine point
(11:20):
eight right there, but not quite at one hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Jim Brown is one of the few.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Running backs ever to average over five yards per attempt
for his career.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
That was a.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Huge number back when I was younger, and really up
until recent times. Michael Vick, not a running back as
the record at seven, but Randall Cunningham six point four.
Maria Motley, who was a running back before Jim Brown,
he averaged five point seven, that's the record. Jamal Charles,
who had the great, if somewhat brief career in Kansas City,
(11:59):
five point Nick Chubb's currently at five point two, and
then Jim Brown at five point two. So to this day,
he still, you know, has numbers that have not been
surpassed by most of the great greatest running backs we've
ever seen. I think the only argument ryme against him
being the goat running back or even football player would
(12:20):
probably be one if for those that consider Brady I
mean again, I view him as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's like a pitcher in baseball.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
To me, I wouldn't view Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson
or Bob Gibson as the greatest baseball player. I don't
know view a quarterback as the greatest football player. But
Jim Brown, it would be Rob that when you look
at how African Americans have dominated sports, or football in particular,
(12:50):
and basketball, but football in this case, you might some
would say, well, you know, there was still not legal
rules necessarily, but a lot of rules keeping a lot
of great African Americans from playing at that time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So was the competition he faced.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It wasn't what it is today or even in that
the nineties, you know, or beyond after that. But I
would say that doesn't stop us many many people from
recognizing Babe Ruth as the greatest baseball player ever. And
so I would counter that with with that argument. And again,
(13:30):
his number is not like his numbers are really that comparable,
Rob to what anybody's doing today. You said he led
the league in rushing eight out of nine years. He
rushed for more than one hundred yards per game. For
let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven of.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
His nine seasons and again career over one hundred. So
I look, it's a great debate. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I don't feel like it's as cut and dried as
the NBA debate, where I believe Jordan is clearly the goat,
but Jim Brown is hard to argue against him being
the greatest of all time.
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
Of all time.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
All right, let's hear from the people. Chris get it
started with Rick and Fort Lauderdale rigging on the OKA.
But Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
What you got, buddy, Good evening, gentlemen, how you doing good?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Good? How are you?
Speaker 6 (15:10):
I'm good? Yes, Jim Brown was to do. Remember he
played in the twelve game season, not even fourteen or
seventeen like we have now. He played in the twelve
game season. He's the only quarterback to win three mbps.
And he was civil rights activists. But he was also
a humanitarian. When you work with gangs, it's not a
(15:31):
being a humanitarian. It's not just about donating money, but
what you do in your community. So working with gangs
I think makes him a humanitarian. And what I loved
about Jim Brown is that he worked with both, you know,
both parties. He wasn't just whether a Democrat or Right.
He went. He visited with President Trump. I'm sure he
(15:52):
worked with Democratic president. So he was an all around
He just wanted the best for the black community. He
and this is one thing that I loved about him.
When he ever he played down here in South Florida
at Bad Marinals tournament, he would sign autographs, not like
a lot of today's players that won't sign for free
unless the getting paid. No, Jim Brown would sign for you.
(16:13):
He would talk to you. He was a very humble
and nice man. And here's one last thing. People talk
about how great he was up lacrosse. I have heard
and read that he actually his best sport was actually baseball.
He could have been a major league Wow, wow, baseball player.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Well he was.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's a great call, and thank you for those for
that recollection.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, that was great. He was All American in lacrosse.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Rob averaged thirty eight points a game in basketball in
high school.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I mean, and hit the baseball. You just heard Rich
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
So yeah, And just for housekeeping, he did play half
of his career with the fourteen game season. But yeah,
but shames. But also he's mentioned a three time MVP.
This I'm ricking through his Pro Football Reference page through
his nine year career. This is his MVP finishes every
year first, first, third, third, fourth, This one of there's
no I don't know what PB means first second or
(17:08):
excuse me second second.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
First, Wow, Well, I think right.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Like, just comprehend that, right, he is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
In the discussion we're talking about greatest football player ever.
But when you talk about just greatest athlete, and let's
just say pure athlete, not they did this, they did
the most in their sport, but just kind of pure
all around athlete. He's in that discussion him. I would
put Lebron James in there. Yes, uh, those two fers.
(17:42):
I mean maybe Will Chamberlain.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Because he was I think would be the other one
I would think of, Yeah, I mean Champ all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Dion, you could put Dion Sanders in there.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Well, I mean, look, Dion is great, right, legendary, too professional,
two sport athlete. I think even he would say, no,
I'm I'm not in Jim Brown's class. In the class.
I think I think he's in the class.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And now he might humbly say that, but in his
art he's in the class.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He might not.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Jim Brown was six two two thirty. Yeah, like that's
that's just a different kind of physicals.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's a good point, all right, And Dion was lightning
as Jim was.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
But but just keep it moving. We got Kyle and Virginia. Kyle,
you're on the Akaba Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
What you got, Hey, Hey, guys, how you doing good?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
How you doing good?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Y'all stole my thunder. I was talking. I was gonna
talk about how he was got to be one of
the top three athletes of all time, Uh, right up
there with like Babe Ruth and Wilt Chamberlain in terms
of just legendary, just so much better than everybody else.
And but since you sold that, I'll go ahead and
talk about also he was a humanitarian at and same
(19:00):
for that as much as anything. And anyway, I'm sad
to hear thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, that's a good call.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And Rob to have such a great sports career and
then you know, have arguably as as great you know,
do as great things off the field.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, that says a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That says a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
He was territory winning the MVP at eight. He just
turned thirty, and I didn't even know why. I knew
he retired early to do move to do movies, and
according to to ESPN, Art Modell, who was the Browns owner,
threatened to suspend Brown's pay if he didn't report the
training camp on time because he was filming The Dirty
doesn't And instead He's like, I'm just gonna retire. Then
(19:41):
what work on movies and my social.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Just I think he was making more money from movies.
I'm sure he was at that time. I'm sure he was.
All right, we got time for one more. We got
to get in the legend here, Marcus Zacramento. Mark, you're
on the OCA, Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
What's up?
Speaker 8 (19:58):
But you guys took more call to This was kind
of this was from my era. Uh, seeing seeing this
man pass away. I don't think the young people really
understand the effect he had on society. Just just a
great man. And I'm really sad because two of the
greatest voices during that time that helped us to the
(20:19):
civil rights passed away this year and there in heaven.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Him and Bill Russell flank Muhammad Ali in that picture.
They now both have gone to heaven. So I feel
a little bit sad. I'm looking at a pitch on
my wall. I have five pictures on my wall in
my dan I'll tell you it is Martin Luther King, Nelson, Mandela,
Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, and Jim Brown. I'm looking right
at him.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
No, and that that's a great call. Mark.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And you know some people might say, oh, they're just athletes,
you know, how do you put them next to Martin
Luther King.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Look, those athletes, they.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Had a huge impact on this country, not just sports, but.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The entire society.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
There's no question about it that their dominance and greatness
in sports went a long way in, you know, bringing
about better race relations there and for all they went through,
it still did make things better racially in a.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Lot of way. But Mark is missing one picture from
his office. That's the picture of Chris and Rob the
odd couple. I feel like you guys have done just
as much as the rest of those cats.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Flattery will get you nuts, right, I'm still gonna take
you down.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Gonna take me a lot of places, all.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Right, Rob G. I told y'all he had takes.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, he got one coming up, and it's gonna knock
your socks off.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
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Speaker 1 (21:48):
And Rob G, you are our resident super Lakers fan
and sorry to say that your Lakers went down last night.
Jamal Murray and Nicola Jokic shot him down one eight,
one three. The Nuggets take a two to oh lead
over the Lakers, and Jamal Murray did it twenty three
(22:13):
points in the fourth quarter. To put that into perspective,
because he finished with thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
In one quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
He had more points, seven more points than Anthony Davis
for the entire game.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
And jecked this out in one quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
He scored more points than Lebron James did the entire game,
more than any Lakers scored in the entire game. And
he leads him to a two oh victory. And uh,
what do you have to say about Jamal Murray?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Everything that we say positive about Jimmy Butler playoff Jimmy,
which is a thing. By the way, we need to
have that same energy for Jamal Murray. He's the Mountain
West version of playoffs.
Speaker 9 (23:02):
Joe.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Oh, all right, this postseason he has the most thirty
point games, tied with Jokicen Tatum. Okay, he is one
of only two players with one hundred plus fourth quarter
points in this postseason. Oh this season. Actually, even more
oppressively in his career, he is averaging in the playoffs
(23:25):
twenty five, six and five on forty seven, forty one,
ninety one and the most impressive stat of all. After
last night, he now has four twenty point fourth quarters
in a playoff in his playoff career, which is two
more than Michael Jordan, who is the.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Most since the I guess they started was the playbop.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, they started keeping track of that in nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, so I don't it'd be interesting to see what Jordan.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It shouldn't be too hard to find out, right, just
somewhere got time someone right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
But but yeah, but since then, Jordan got twice.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
As Jamal Murray scores efficiently, as his number suggests, and
more importantly, he is an absolute killer in the fourth quarter,
even not just counting last night, but throughout the Nuggets postseason.
Jokic will carry him for the first two two and
a half three quarters, but when it's crunch time and
people start getting tight and offenses start bogging down, everything
(24:26):
goes through Jamal Murray. He is, without a doubt, one
of the best playoff performers that we have in the
NBA right now, if not the best. When you consider
what he normally does in the regular season compared to
what he does in the postseason, his numbers shoot up
through the roof. Like nobody we've seen even including Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Butler playoff Jimmy West of the Mountain, West, respect the
world West. One thing you forgot to mention back in
the bubble and a lot of people were calling him bubble, bubble,
jamal and all that. Yep, And and remember that I
won't say legendary because it was only a first round series,
but the terrific series.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Between Denver and Utah.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, and he was going at it with Donovan Mitchell
and checked this out ROGI in three consecutive games. These
were his numbers. Fifty points, forty two points.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Fifty points.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I mean, now, the two games before the first fifty
he had fourteen and twelve. But still fifty forty two
and fifty is crazy. And a lot of people disparaged him.
It almost became almost a negative. Oh he was great
in the bubble, you know, but what's he done since then? Well,
here's the problem. He's been injured, hurt. I don't think
(25:44):
it had any I don't think it was anything to
do with the bubble, like some guys, right.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Warren was phenomenal in the bubble and hadn't done much since.
It's been all about the injuries. He had that acl
injury hasn't really been healthy and this is the first
year he's back, really back to himself.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, and you see what he's doing in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look, all you said is good. Here's the one reason
that I wouldn't say. I would say this year Butler
so far has been more impressive in the playoffs because
Jamal is doing it as the second guy. I don't
(26:31):
mean that in a negative way, but it's all off
of Nikola Jokic. Like Nicola Jokic is arguably the best
player in the world, and Nicola, as you said, is
carrying him for three quarters. Jamal is the I don't
want to say it, like Jokic isn't clutch, but Jamal
(26:52):
is closing. You know, the closer, right, And but to close,
you have to have somebody to get you there. Now,
maybe it'll be you, like it was Jordan in Miami,
it's Butler. But in Denver, the guy that gets you
there is Yokic, and he also draws so much attention
that that just in and of itself, makes it easier
(27:15):
for Jamal Murray, whereas Butler it is Butler's playing with
Caleb Martin, undrafted Max Strus undrafted Gabe Vincent, undrafted.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Kevin love Old.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
I mean, and you know what I'm saying, like he
has to carry us to the finish line and then
close it, like I just that's the difference. And I'm
not saying Murray couldn't do that. I don't know that
he could or couldn't. But we don't know because we
haven't had He hasn't had to do that.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
We haven't had to see him be that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
And I do think a lot as great as he is,
I do think a lot of people have would question
if he was the one number one guy, could he
be a number one guy and take a team this deep?
And that's why I'd say, no, he's not as great
(28:14):
as he's been, and he has been phenomenal. I would
still now in the class of Butler, absolutely, but I
give Butler the edge because he's had a much much
more difficult load to carry and burden will.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I think at some point the undrafted teammates narrative kind
of loses its steam a little bit when you consider
that just because the guy's undrafted doesn't mean that he
hasn't been a great NBA player, or Austin Reeves is
proving that point exactly. And this Miami Heat team, which
had a terrible regular season shooting from the three ball,
(28:52):
has become like the Katie Steph Curry Warriors in this
playoff run when if you leave a guy open gave
Vincent Max Strews, that is going in, like it, there's you,
you lose them on a pin down, that three is
gonna go up. It's gonna go in and nothing you
can do about it. So they are playing very well
around him. Same thing is going on in Denver, and.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I think they are, but there's no Jokic. There's nobody
close to Yogic. There's nobody drawing the double teams like
Jokic is in Miami.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Wouldn't you say, and and you know, I don't want
to get you exis, but wouldn't you say that as
good as Yokic is, their best play in Denver period
is Murray Yokic pick and roll. Yeah, And it's not
just because because of both. Murray's absolutely devastating in the
pick and roll, but.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
But Jokic is not, Like that's the only way Jokic
gets it done. That even that play, even that play
is Murray being helped by Jokic. Yokic, I'll put him
down on the block and he'll back anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Down and throw up a little jump hook anybody or Yo.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, now, Murray could obviously hit threes without the pick too,
but so can Yokic. Like I again, I'm not saying
Murray would. I don't think so, because is he not
the number two guy?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, but Kobe was a Shack. It didn't make it
any less impressive, uh A little.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Really, Kobe was young.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So Kobe was great, don't get me wrong, he was phenomenal,
but he was also very young, so that added to Wow,
this young kid is doing this now. If he had
been twenty eight at the time, it would have been
still been impressive. But he was young and it was
clear that Shack was the guy. Like you wouldn't compare
(30:47):
what Kobe did in those first three finals that they
won to what Jordan did when.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
He won the finals, you know what I'm saying, right,
So that's the difference.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Like Jordan had to carry his two Jimmy Butler has
to carry his team. Kobe and Murray, at least Kobe
in that first iteration with Shaq did not have to
carry the team. They may have closed the deal, sealed
the deal, but it was somebody.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Else, very dearly similar the way you describe it. Shaq
was the guy that driving the force, but then who
closed the door. It was Kobe, same thing with Yok
with you Murdy.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Similar to something else later. Yes, yes, all right, but
we got a big game coming up tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Speaking to Jimmy Butler, just about as close as you
can get to a must win for the Celtics. We'll
get into that next. But it's the Eye Couple Chris
and Rob. Y'all know what to do.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Keep it locked.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
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Speaker 1 (31:52):
All right, it's the Eye Couple Chris Brusar, Rob Gera
and for Rob Parker.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
We're live from the tirereg dot Com Studios.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Uh Robi Alex.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yes, must win the night for the Celtics.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I don't know if you know this, Chris. I'm sure
you do because you're a you know, well read individual.
You go with the big television show on FS one.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
The Boston Celtics, who are hosting Game two in Boston,
are better on the road than they are at home.
They're four and four in this postseason at home, four
and two on the road. So even if they fall
down two here in the first two games going back
to Miami, I would probably have more confidence in them
to win the next two in Miami than if they
(32:38):
were to win tonight. Then I would for them to
win the next two in Miami. That makes any sense. Oh,
that does make sense.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's interesting.
It does makes it. I'll put it this way. I
would have more confidence in them if they lose this
game tonight winning the next two on the road than
any other team in the playoffs. And that goes for
(33:05):
the sixteen teams, not just the four that are you know.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
So I'll give you that. I don't know why that
is that they're better on the road than they are
at home. Obviously they have a.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Great home crowd and everything, but that is the reality.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And they are frustrating.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Like that's the understatement, Chris, Oh my god, right, exasperating.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
They play with their food. That's the new phrase out there, right.
They play with their food too much. And I don't
want to say play with the me I don't want
to take anything away from Miami, but.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm sorry Boston.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Now, Eric Sposter is the best coach YEP by a
mile and no disrepected Joe Missoula.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
But you're a rookie.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You've made some rookie mistakes, obviously repeatedly, yes, and you're
going against arguably the best coach in the league, certainly
one of them, and so they Miami has that advantage.
I think Jason Tatum is a better player than Jimmy Butler,
but when it.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Gets to the playoffs, it's definitely arguable.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Regular season, I mean, but Tatum's number four in the
MVP voting. Tatum was first team All NBA. I don't
think anybody's gonna disagree with him being a better at
least regular season player, but in the playoffs it's arguable.
But Boston clearly has the better roster and should win
(34:34):
this series on talent. And so when they lose, as
much as we want to and should credit Miami, a
lot of it is Boston just didn't show up and
do what it's supposed to do. They've used terms like
let go of the role, not playing with a sense
of urgency, getting complacent. Marcus Smart says, sometimes we don't
(34:58):
do the little things. That's all true, and so I
think some of it, rob G might be that when
they go on the road, because they play with their food. Yep,
they often are in a desperation situation. But the fact
is they do get it done. Last year, they were
(35:19):
down one oh to Miami at this point last year
in Eastern Conference Finals, they won that series in seven,
and guess where they won Game seven at Miami last
year the series before that, down three to two, going to.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Milwaukee against the best player in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
They win that game six and then go back to
Boston where.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Again they don't play well rap and they won game seven.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So this is a team that, for whatever reason, plays
its best basketball when its backs are against the wall.
Now I hate them putting their backs against the wall,
and they might do it again tonight. I don't think so.
I think they win because while they're not, it's not
do or die, it is you.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I don't want to mess.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Around with Jimmy Butler and they're exposter right, they're not
Doc Rivers and Joe lmb It would all due respect
or James Harden for that matter, like they are. Jimmy Butler.
Rob Gi is a flat out dog. He might have
the most heart.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And this is.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
A lot of dudes in the league were hard. Most
guys in the league got great heart. He might have
the most heart in the league. He might be the grittiest, grimiest,
toughest dude in the league mentally physically, and if you
are not a dog yourself, you will wilt in his
(36:52):
presence on the court.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And I don't think Boston's doing that at all.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I think Jason Tatum has shown he got dog any
and Jaylen Brown and Marcus Martin, some of these other guys,
Al Horford their team, They're not soft, no, right, And
so I just wouldn't want to play around.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
With that Rob.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
I wouldn't either. And you know what they say, Yeah,
they had that dog in him. Like you've seen the
X rays on social media, it's an X ray of
a dog and then a guy and there's an X
ray of a dog inside of his chest. I saw
one on Twitter the other day. It was an X
ray of a dog had Jimmy Butler inside of him.
It was the verse like man that dog got Jimmy
Butler in him.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Right right, I love that.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
But he looked he had a tough upbringing.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
He you know, I never would have imagined Robb G
when he was I wouldn't even he wasn't even playing second.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Fiddle to Derrick Rose Nogo.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
He was like just you know, a player, and uh,
I never would have imagined he become this good, but
he is so Boston.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Better take care of business, all right, We got two
hours left. It's the eye Couble. Keep it locked.
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