LeBron is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA

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lot of NBA talk today, and why not. It is
the middle of the NBA season, the playoffs just a
few months away. It's time for these teams to start
preparing and prepping for the second season. So we're gonna
get into a lot of that big game tonight. Lebron

(01:34):
James and Zion Williamson meeting up for the first time
in NBA history. Oh, come on, it is true, and
Zion is a guy that people think will be the
next face of the NBA. Lebron obviously has been the
face of the NBA. So I'm just saying it's gonna
be a big game. We're gonna get into that. We
got Sam Amock of the Athletic Senior NBA writer there

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joining us at the bottom of the hour in less
than twenty seven minutes. Thought it was amic am I'm
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That's sweaters so nineties, it's tight. I'm not sure, Ralph, Ralph,
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can he breathe with that sweater on. I think he's
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and it was from the nineties. I think it really was.
It wasn't just nineties style. It was Ralph Warrid in
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eighteen nineties. I mean, I don't think this is there's

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enough material on that you probably that that sweater is
hanging on for dear life. He's won one like string
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but he ay he did have on the fresh Charles Barkley,
how do you? How do you put that sweater on? It?

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Feel good about it? Walking around all day? Ralph. Ralph's
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He's gonna have some comments at the update. Yeah, but
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danger zone up in this mug. All right, Well, let's
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Why you pointing on off thing? The outstanding Elijah just
we couldn't do the show without him. He is the
best social media person in the world. You're still trying
to make up for Connie Misah. No, I'm not. We're cool.
We never had an issue. That's what you did. You
forgot his name. I did not have an issue. I

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just said, Elijah really would like you take you out
name and beat you down. Guy? Do you know what
the difference between like not knowing somebody's name or just
saying some other name? Have I ever called you tied?
Like one day? Are you just gonna call me Charlie?
I mean, how does that happen? But I was in

(04:51):
a rant that was for the ages. I was just
going crazy. It wasn't good. Every one thing if it
was a memorable, what was it even a out? Do
you even remember even it was good? Remember? But it
was good? All right? And yes, they were all on
the other side of the glass. Come on, Chris Boo
saw it on this trash talking Tuesday. Yes, let's kick

(05:11):
some let's do just that. And uh, as I said,
and you you tried to laugh it off and poop
poo it, but it's real, you love. I don't remember
you using poop. I was the first half, but I
didn't get it from you on the I'm the first.
What does it mean to you, Chris, poop poo? What
does that mean? Like to talk again? Something downplay something,

(05:32):
be little something? And when did you pick up poop
saying that? For a lot? That's a Yiddish word and
you ain't a yes that I had no idea. That's virgins.
Well that's where that's where I got it from working
at a Jewish shoe store in Queens and they used
to poop poo stuff all the time, and so that's
where I picked it up from. I don't think you
were the first one to say I was. Nobody really recorded.

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I was the first person on Nash Television to ever
say poop pool And you know what I got, like
like like Dusty Baker gets credit for the first high
five in sports I'm the poop poo king, and I
want you to know. Can I call you poop poo
for that from now? And I want you to know
that one day we could call him up. You got

(06:18):
his number. Reggie Miller came over to me at the Palace.
This is back when I was doing first taking and
you know, back in the day, and he came all week,
goes man, I love you on that show. And I
love when you say poop pool. That was from Reggie Miller.
All right, that's all right, I'm in trouble now, that's great. Okay. Anyway,

(06:41):
Rob Parker might try to pooh pooh this. But there's
a big matchup tonight for many reasons. The New Orleans
Pelicans visiting the Los Angeles Lakers at Staples Center, and
it is the first matchup between Zion Williamson, who many
think is the next face of the NBA, and Lebron James,

(07:01):
who has been in the face of the NBA for
fifteen years or so. I think it's a big deal
also because the Pelicans are actually playing really good basketball.
They're three and a half games out of eighth place,
and of course if they finished eighth, they're likely first
round opponent would be the Los Angeles Lakers, so this
could also be a Western Conference first round playoffs. Then

(07:28):
here's the other thing. You got all the ex Lakers
on the New Orleans Relicans. You got Linzo Ball who's
actually having a nice little bounce back year, Brandon Ingram
who emerged as an All Star this season, Josh Hart
who was a heart and soul guy with the Lakers
and still is that with New Orleans, and then of

(07:48):
course you got Anthony Davis here in Los Angeles with
the Lakers. So I mean, that would be a really
storyline laden first round matchup and the great to see.
But what we want to focus on is Zion made
a comment in talking about Lebron. Do we have audio
of that, Rob Gi Okay, you can, I have you

(08:09):
read the quote. Go ahead and read what Zion said
about Lebron. He was talking about Lebron at yesterday's shoot
around and this is what he said. Quote. He said,
I used to watch film of him all the time,
especially when he was in Cleveland that first time. He
was just an incredible player to watch. He always held
his own and sometimes I feel he doesn't get the

(08:31):
respect he deserves. But it's not for me to decide,
you know what. Obviously, Lebron gets a lot of love.
People have said he's the best player in the world
for roughly a decade. I view him as the second
best player of all time. I think you do, too, Rob,
For all the hate you throw his way, I know

(08:52):
you don't hate him. But you know what I mean.
It's called analysis work, That's what I do. I'm an analysis.
Is the analysis making up a nickname for somebody, Yes,
the derogatory nickname the folk that a side that's called
fact for your analysis. Yes, it's just called facts. No,

(09:13):
he's not Leron, not when you talk about former MVP.
That's why. I because I came up with it, because
I because I came up with Hall of Famer or not. No,
but why not hall of famers? No, all time grades
because all the MVP aside MVP Exactly. That's my point

(09:33):
where you're when you're really just fitting the facts, you
don't come up with a narrative. No, the facts so
there are Look, but the point is you do think
he's the second best player of all time. I guess
you've been saying that for years, but now you know
when it comes out of your mouth and you're trying
to pay me into it like what you do. But

(09:53):
my point is, look, Zion, sit down and stop it.
What is this whole idea that Lebron doesn't get any
which back. Lebron gets a ton of respect and the
reason that maybe you feel that way enough respect it
is because he's lost six finals. It's because he's a Vagavron.
It's because he travels around the country trying to work

(10:15):
out a formula to win when other guys just stay
in one place and win. That's why. That's why I
don't care if Lebron started and everybody else stop. So
why don't you stop Zion with this whole When is
he an American Express card enough already he gets plenty

(10:36):
of respect and credit. I don't know. That's all all
the minions that he is? He on Twitter? Is he
on Instagram? With all the Lebron minions who go crazy
if anybody says anything about Lebron. There's plenty of people
who have who love and respect Lebron. Stop with the
with the pity party for Lebron. He doesn't need one.

(10:58):
So Lebron work, mean, Zion, worry about your game, come
out and maybe beat the Lakers tonight and maybe I'll
give you an out of respect. Other than that, I
don't want to hear it. Lebron doesn't get respect. That's
the most ridiculous, asinine story I've heard. Wow, we bet
you and their steam coming out of your ears. It

(11:22):
was impressive that he could muster up that much fire,
but it was just look everyone, Obviously he gets respect.
But I will say, this is where I'll say, and
I'm gonna speak for Zion. I think this is what
he means. Lebron James is the most scrutinized player in

(11:43):
NBA history, and he's also the most uh over the top,
over exposed social media. Lebron plays all of it. No,
when you do both, then you can't act like you
can't understand why people push back when you know. That's
what I'm saying. But I'm not talking about people pushing back.

(12:03):
I'm just saying this and and and it is only
just a He's a sign. It's a sign of the times.
That's okay. That's what's like. Michael Jordan's as great as
he was, he blew up in part. Cable TV was
just starting. David Stern was the new commissioner who wants
to market individuals, you know what I mean, Like the
expansion overseas, all of that helped as as great as

(12:28):
he was, Michael Jordan become the biggest figure ever in
NBA history. But my point is it is the sign
of the times. And that's why when when people talk
about Lebron's over criticize all this stuff, because there's Twitter
and all this stuff that people before, Chris, all you
had was to read the newspaper columns, right, and a
handful of people I had ever games Ron on TV, right,

(12:50):
and there was no debate shows, is none of that.
So that's but it's still and you're right, he gets
great praise, he sell celebrated. Obviously, he's making tons of
money in part because of all this, and he could
put his own He also has a chance to do
his own narrative and all that. So it's fair, That's
all I'm saying. But I was just watching over the weekend.

(13:13):
I'm working out, you know, I'm getting it in in
my little fitness center in my house. I'm on the elliptical,
I'm hitting the incline machine, I'm doing my leg lifts,
but I'm curl doing curls. Rob is watching sitcoms but
preparing for the Golden Girls cruise, and Bruce Hardy is
getting it in okay, But I got a TV in
my fitness I'm watching the nineteen eighty three Game four

(13:39):
of the NBA Finals Philadelphia. Remember that, Moses Malone and
Doctor j they swept Kareem and Magic. Now at this point,
Magic was writing the smack Dab in the middle of
his prime and Kareem was still, you know, toward in
his prime, toward the lad ladder stages, but still in
his prime. And they got swept by the Sixers. Magic

(14:04):
missed a free throw late, made a couple turnovers late.
Kareem missed the free throw late. Rob. If Lebron James
did that on a Thursday night in February against Sacramento,
he would get crushed all day for it. That's what

(14:26):
That's the difference. They didn't get crushed like that in
the NBA Finals and their legends, and we never look
at that. We look at Magic in eighty three or
eighty you know, as they called him, Tragic eighty four,
Tragic Johnson, but we don't. We don't look at everything
with Lebron. We see the successes and the failures with

(14:47):
those before him, Magic, Kareem, even Michael. We only remember
the successes because there wasn't the degree of coverage areas today.
That's where Zion has a great point. You would have
to admit that, see he got nothing to say that.
You know what that disagree? I just disagree, But it's

(15:08):
not true. Do we talk about the failures of all
the other great all time greats. The way Lebron who
has his his nickname as the King and the chosen
on his back game was madame history. I told you,
I bur that's the only king I on that. No,

(15:34):
that he got nothing left you y'all know what happens.
And he's getting getting when I'm taking him out to
the wood chip debate. No, they always goes, try to
be he's just corny. This is this is where we
are every show. No, he no, he takes it. He
takes it up to the break and then he goes

(15:55):
into this long dissertation and then he leaves me like
thirty seconds and then what are you got? What are
you talking? What you got is to rip Zion? You
needed a break after that? No, But I'm just I
didn't need a break. I'm good you sat back and
got you were two feet away from the mic. Anyway,
you're turning away. At eight seven seven ninety nine on

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nine is Zion out of bounds when he says Lebron
doesn't get the respect he deserves. You're turning away in
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poo King. I'm the poop poo king there you Hey,
you wanted it, you wanted the title, you got the
tight everybody stole my line and now you're gonna try
to ridicule with me with my own line. Let me

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We're gonna get to you guys. Zion Williams has said
the King Lebron James does not get enough respect or
credit for all the greatness that he exudes. What do
you think? Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox to
start with g W the always Wise GW Cincinnati. What's up? Brother?

(17:48):
I appreciate it. What's going on? Christ? What's going on? Rob?
He let me say this real quick for God going
up in NY City, Cincinnati. We used to use the
word poopoo like you're trying to poopoo a you're trying
to downplay. Yeah, that's Rob backting like he invented the phrase.
I just say, who didn't half an hour ago Rob
said it? But other than that, we've been saying that
for I don't know how long. Let me get to

(18:09):
my point, Chris. The problem is, and Chris, I think
you and I around the same age. I know Rob
was a little older, But we grew up during the
Magic and the Jordan era. Let me ask you Chris,
who was the Skip Bear was a Rob Parker back
in the day saying magic shouldn't be called magic. His
name was Irving rd. Who is this Michael Jordan guy
with a gold chain and his signature shoe who hasn't

(18:31):
gone to the finals in his first eight year? We
didn't have that. There was none of that. There was
now Jordan did get criticized, and guys got criticized, Magic
got criticis I was gonna say those tragic and don't
like it. Michael Jordan was criticized that he didn't make
other players better and all he could do is dumb
and all that that was those columns that written and

(18:53):
and in fairness today, that's all I'm saying today. Jordan
would and I'll be honest, I think even Skip now
I'm not saying he would have been an anti Jordan guy,
but he would have been critical of Jordan. I don't
I don't know if he wants at some point, you
know what I mean, column in Chicago. I mean there
weren't it weren't always. It just wasn't. You know, there's
just what technology. That's what it's doing. All right, Michael

(19:15):
and North Carolina. You're on the yard a couple of
Fox Sports rading. What's up Michael? What's up? Fellas? What's up?
The show? Thank you? Bob. I gotta say your story
might check out because rolling up in Brooklyn, I used
to hear a lot of Jewish people say cu cu ya, dude,
I'm telling that I believe seriously, that's what. Yeah, yeah,

(19:36):
it's expression, but that's not New York when I was
rolling up in New York. Um. But like I said,
love your show, guys, keep doing your thing. But now
I gotta tell you, are you crazy? Why how he
come on the show yesterday and say Lebron is in
clutch but then say he gets to respect? I wish

(19:57):
I had. How can you possibly say a guy that
plays three out of four games in Kauhi is a
better rule around player with his career high numbers are
Lebron's lowest numbers in a season down here for Lebron
is a career highest assistant for AD But you say

(20:20):
he's the best player, Michael, it ain't just about It's
not it's not just about It's just not about piling
up stats. It ain't just about winning his big piling
up stats. If Kawhi Leonard does what he if he
does what I think he's gonna do this year, which
is win a championship and go back to back years,

(20:41):
two championships with two all time losing two franchises who
had never one. I wanna say Toronto's all time because
their expansion. But you know what I mean, that would
elevate his who he is. It really would be hud.
He's just not a better player than Lebron, but he
his team isn't belt Lebron's is in our But you

(21:04):
know that can't help you in terms of winning because
he fits into the team. That's what I'm saying. Let's
go to Max Rob Junior in Georgia. What's up, Max?
We know what we know your viewpoint? Go ahead, Junior
Junior's pleasure always a pleasure, listen. I had to get
in on this. Lebron. He claims himself to be the King, Rob,

(21:25):
you might be the poo poo Kings Lebron Nana Nana
boo boo Kings King. That's his problem. He's all about himself.
You know, respect is earned. Fellas respect is earned. He
hadn't one enough to earn that respect from everybody. Honesty
is appreciated, and trust his gain, and he oft the
trust of a lot of people. I think with the
whole China controversy, I really do so. I don't want

(21:46):
to hear kissing up the ring going on here. I
don't want to think he lost any of that because
here looks as much as we were critical Lebron for
not speaking out against China, Lebron's one individual American. You
got power for American corporations cow towing to China, so
it would have been nice. But I don't expect him

(22:07):
to take on China when American expressing all these other
companies Nike aren't taking on China himself. I just think
that there's difference, and this is the difference between like
a Muhammad Ali. When people try to say that he
didn't care about all the other stuff. He was not
going to be told what to do or how to say,

(22:29):
or what to think. And that's all I'm gonna say
when you separate, when you talk about somebody's great, Muhammad
Ali was leaps and bounds above a lot of people,
right because he was willing to do that in the
same game, but the ultimate sacrize John Carlos and those
guys at the Olympics, it's the same thing because here's
your moment, here's your moment, and you know what, what's
going on at home was worse to me standing here

(22:51):
winning and I'm not going to act like all his
hunky dory back at home, no question. I respect that.
Let's go to Zach in Oakland. You're on with christ
and Rob. I was going on you want to speak
to speak about thirty seconds. You gotta get off the speak.
Go ahead, that's better. Yes, Hey, I want to say, Rob,

(23:13):
you've been and you got to step it up. Man,
Chris Ben give you the Benish lately, but you got
lately all the time? The story? What show would you
listen to? I give Rob, I give Rob sources save.
But for the other two hours and fifty minutes, it's
blood shy. They can't met you with fact yesterday you

(23:35):
steel was not trying to listen to him. He can't
with you a fact yesterday? Didn't hear like great, wait
wait wait time, Zach being loud don't mean you're right, Okay,
So Chris is just loud. He don't know what he's
you ain't stuck back. I like that. Get love up
in the uh whatever I was gonna? What was the

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number the for the MC hammer majall number Area cod
popular well four one five? What was it with the
Old Town three to five seven? Was that? Not that?
That was just anyway? Good call call up anytime, Zack,
don't call again with Zion wants you to listen to
go listen to Jim Rome with Zion and the Pelicans

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(25:02):
Sam Amock. What's up, brother Sam? What's happening? Gentlemen, one
is going on. Good afternoon. Good to hear your voices again.
Yes too, you too, Thanks for joining us. Let's get
right to it. We got Zion and Lebron meeting for
the first time in a real NBA game. Could this
be a preview? I mean, do you really think that
New Orleans will get that eighth seed? And this is

(25:24):
a first round playoff preview. I'm not gonna lie, guys.
I'm kind of hoping so nice. Yeah, I don't. When
it comes to the storylines, we would have no shortage
of things to talk about to write about. Um, the
basketball element that is front and center. You know, I'm
I didn't buying it, you know what I mean? Like

(25:46):
you got tall games when since Zion has come back,
and that's the small size, but um, he missed one
of their eight and five so third, you know, since
it came back, but they are right there with some
of the best squads in the league. During that stretch,
their offense has had a major uptick. Zion has been
one of the most impassable the entire league, you know,

(26:08):
and he's still well and he's still doing his thing.
They're really good. The other night Sam in person, and
for me, it was the first time I've ever seen
Zion in person against the Warriors, and what struck me
was like they played like garbage in the first half,
throwing the ball around, sloppy, and then you saw in
the second half that from a raw talent standpoint, they

(26:31):
just got a lot going on right now. And it's
the Warriors, so that's not a great pulse by any means,
but I think they got a shot at a Memphis
is dealing with a lot of health stuff right now.
I think the key thing for me would be Portland
and when does Damien get back? And you know the
big sellers is Zach Collins and music Nurkics, you know,
when did they get them back? But I think the

(26:51):
Pelicans have a crack at it for sure. How about
the Lakers, they got a more they Boogie Cousins was
on a podcast cast talking about Lebron and kind of
sounded like he was going to be a part of
their postseason plans, or at least vogel Wright mentioned it
or whatnot Sam, And then they brought up releasing of

(27:13):
what happened. I don't have total clarity on it other
than the obvious, which is they needed a roster spot
and Marquis Morris became available. And you know, I know
that when Frank addressed, you know, the prospect of DeMarcus
playing anytime soon recently with the media, I mean, he
poured a bunch of water on that. It seemed to

(27:34):
set a tone and at that time you kind of
wonder if he didn't already, might you know, possibly know
what direction this thing was heading where you know, he
really downplayed the prospect of DeMarcus helping them on the
court anytime soon. Now, it's a unique situation because by
all accounts, he's still gonna be around the team something

(27:55):
aloud within the contexts of the constructs of the CBO
and continue. I think he's open to use their facilities
things of that nature. But I think you got a healthy,
productive player in Mark keis that you have a chance
to add and and kind of you know, when the
Clippers keep adding bodies left and right, I think the
Lakers felt like they had to do something. That was

(28:15):
My next question is that the Lakers got his brother,
Marcus Morris and Reggie Jackson. Uh, the Clippers are met Yeah,
got those two. Would have been nice for the Lakers
to get one or two of those guys, or or
one at least one of them. When you look at
that and you look at the what the Clippers have

(28:35):
done as far as the Lakers, Uh, missed opportunity, especially
with Marcus Morris. Yeah. I think with Marcus for sure, Uh,
you know, but I mean I think Mark Kis can
help and Marcus I wonder in kind of the macro
in the long term here in terms of the playoff
how much impact he'll ultimately have because you know, very

(28:58):
talented guys. I think we sometimes are falling prey to
that thing where, you know, we can't forget he's playing
for the Knicks and somebody's got to score the ball,
you know, so we know what he does. But some
of his numbers were inflated for obvious reasons, and uh,
you know, I don't know what to think because on paper,
the Clippers, you know, they had these little w's when

(29:19):
it comes to the buyout market and picking these guys up.
But you know, they still have a puzzle in totality
that I think is interesting and tricky because they got
a lot of guys who want the ball. Reggie Jackson's
the guy that you know, when Patrick Beverley was out
the other night and Reggie had a chance to feel
that ball, you know for a lot of that first
game with the Clippers. Well that's all well and good,

(29:40):
but how is Reggie gonna feel later? You know? And
maybe the minutes are what Reggie was hoping for. So
I don't know how much impact those guys are gonna make. Um,
you know, the Clippers. I'm sorry. The Lakers still need
to figure out just that whole span of time when
Lebron's not on the floor, whether it's Rondo just playing
at a higher level or doing something else. That's for

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me just there there main kind of blind spot right now.
Sam a mc senior NBA writer for The Athletic joining
the Eye couple, Sam, I want to stick with the Clippers.
There have been a few reports out there that, you know,
they got some chemistry issues. Nobody saying you know, they're
falling apart, but that there are some issues there. Maybe
some guys a little bothered that Kawhi doesn't play as

(30:22):
often as he should or isn't practicing quite as often.
Is there what's the truth? I mean, is that an
issue developing with the Clippers. My feeling, we reported on
that pretty extensively at this point, I guess about four
or five weeks ago that particular story was in the making.

(30:45):
So in terms of the timing of your question, would
say that, you know, I don't have any knowledge right
now that it's a pressing issue. It was certainly, in
my opinion, a definite part of their story throughout the
course of this season. And it's funny because you know,
they kind of I don't know how else to put it,
but the organization, some of the players pushed back, you know,

(31:07):
and kind of raged against the story a little bit.
And part of me found that so interesting because, for one,
and I wrote that with our Clippers beat writer Jovan Buha,
we went to you know, we went to great lengths
to not only be fair, but to also paint this
picture and listen, nobody should be surprised and if not
a case of us reporting that there's personal dynamics happening,

(31:30):
so much as it was, you have an old culture
with the Pat Beverley Williams Spontras Harold, you know, kind
of the underdogs and what they did last year, guys
who play every single night, Guys who gritted out no
matter what, and who treated the regular season like it
was the playoffs. And now you're trying to merge that
with a whole with Kali, with Paul and the bigger

(31:53):
picture and the fact that now you're trying to push
this thing into June and to win a championship. There
were some growing pains. It's in that, to be sure,
and I think they're still finding their way. I mean,
you never know when they dropped three games in a
row and they lose four out of five like they
did before last night's winn you know, is that just
a tough stretch or is that Oh but I think

(32:17):
it's still worth watching quick saying we got about thirty
seconds left. How big of an issue is to Ben
Simmons injury in Philadelphia. I mean that one's fresh this
afternoon in terms of the information, but it just it
seems to you know, continue to do worse. And so
you know, what our Sean Sharani had put out there
from the athletic was just that that pain was sudden

(32:40):
to be monitored, you know, in a pretty significant way.
So that's Philly was already looking like a kind of
a tainted title contender. And and this is you know,
Joel Embiid at his best as a monster and a
beast and a fantastic player. He can't do it a
low And even with them being an imperfect fit, they
need been out there. So that's a big, big deal, Sam,
great stuff. He appreciate it. Thanks for joining us. Thank

(33:03):
you will. Joe Burrows small hands lead to him taking
a big tumbled. I got hand draft boards. We'll get
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(33:23):
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. I'm the
poop poo King. I second that notion. You are the
poop poo King. But but Michael was originally from Brooklyn.
He told you that's what he said. He heard of Chris.
I'm telling you yeah, he backed you up. He said
Rob is definitely the poopoo King. It is the Eye Couple.

(33:45):
I'm Chris, He's the poopoo Kings. Parker, Reggie Millerson. I
was the poopoo king. Yes, he's a Hall of Famer,
So I'm buying into Reggie Miller. I'm a woman, all right, Rob.
I want to ask you this. There's a story coming
out of the NFL Combines that Joe Burrow, who is
expected by everyone to be the number one pick of

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the Cincinnati Bengals in this draft, his hand measurement was small.
It was nine inches, which is considered small. Of the
thirty five quarterbacks drafted in the first round since two
thousand and eight, the average hand size has been nine

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and seven tenths inches, as according to ESPN Stats and Information.
So this is from your pinky to your thumb. And
there's some concern about this that his hand might be
too small. Now for those that would say, well, he
just threw sixty touchdowns in college. The college ball is smaller.

(34:50):
The college ball is about three quarters of an inch
smaller than the NFL ball. And what NFL people, We're
gonna have Hugh Jackson on in the next hour, so
he'll talk about it. But what NFL people say is
that when you have a smaller hand. I'm not saying
I agree with this, but they say, when you have
a smaller hand in inclement weather, whether it's cold, whether

(35:12):
it's snow, whether there's rain, it makes it tougher to
throw the football, and sometimes guys fumble a little bit more.
The six quarterbacks with the smallest hands in the league
right now, Jameis Winston, Patrick Mahomes, Jimmy Garoppolo, Sam Donald
and Derek Derek Carr and Jared Goff. Four of them,

(35:33):
what you say, right are in the top eight in
terms of fumbles last year. So, uh, you know, Mahomes
and car aren't in the top twenty for what it's worth.
And Mahomes and Jimmy g Sam Donald, well, no, Goff's
got the smallest hands of the starters, and Derek Carr
is second. So what do you think. I don't want

(35:57):
to say because I don't want to get in trouble.
But fifty six year old man just act like junior
highs dude playing bad lives or something. This whole idea
that they're measuring and you can't do damage with a
net with a nine inch hand or whatever. I just
don't get it. Chris, this is like a like a joke. Oh,

(36:20):
he's got small feed and small hands and he can't.
He just had the greatest college football season ever. Yes,
I get it. The ball is bigger than the NFL.
I'm sure he's thrown an NFL ball and they look
at them how well he can throw the football and
all that. I just think this is just another one
of those stories, the same one that with Kyler Murray.

(36:42):
They still drafted him first. Look at you could be
too short. He was too short. But if they drafted
him right and and and he was the first player
ever to be drafted first rounding football and baseball at
a five foot eight or nine whatever he was, all
I'm saying is stop with the with the size thing.
Size doesn't always matter. Chris. You know that I'm the

(37:13):
poop poo king. I mean, you need to go on
your Golden Girls. Why, because you're just getting sillier and
sillier by day. You like a little kid on Christmas Eve.
Christmas you can't even think straight because you're so excited
about your Golden Girls cruise. But I'm thinking a point

(37:33):
that we saw that with with Kyler Murray, didn't we Yeah?
We did. Ultimately, I'm with you. How big is Kyler
Murray's hand? Is it bigger? Yeah? It was bigger and
to his hand, who too, who's shorter? Bigger? His hand
was ten inches and uh, that's a you know, good size.
Kyler Murray was what nine and a half inches? My thing.

(37:57):
I don't think a quarter of an inche is going
to do that much make that much of a d
I mean, come on, man, we can't even have a discussion.
I'm listening to you if you cut those clips out
saying without us, without the context of the of the

(38:21):
being ahead. Ready, you know, Chris, you said, I can't
tell a quarter of an age could make that big
of a I don't know, man, anyway, I'm trying to
keep it real and talk about this. I'm listening Joe Burrow.
It wouldn't be a deterrent to me. Let's put it
that way. It wouldn't keep me from drafting Joe Burrow

(38:44):
if I really like him. If I see him throw
the like you said, throw the NFL, He's probably not
gonna throw it the combine. So it is true that
you're not gonna see him throwing the NFL football. The
only difference thing is gonna make that much of a difference.
Then that's the case for more big time stars who
play with the college football and they don't throw it
to combine if you're gonna be a top pick. So

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none of those guys do. And you would just assume
that he'll be able to, like it's a nerf ball,
and then you don't. You got a guy who can't
throw the ball at all. Right, some of this is
just guys looking for a story over scrutinizing. Right, you know,
they're like we always say it with college players, the
longer you stay in college, the more the more they

(39:26):
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a great hour for you're gonna stick with the NBA.
But at the bottom of it, and about twenty eight
minutes or so, we'll be joined by Hugh Jackson, the

(40:30):
former NFL head coach. And that last topic we talked about,
concern about Joe Burrow's small hands. We will definitely get
into that with him. And remember Hugh was also the
offensive coordinator in Cincinnati for two good years they went
they won twelve games in ten games. I believe in
his two years there's OC So we can actually talk

(40:51):
to him about the state of the Bengals franchise. Everybody
wants to act like they're just a minor league, you know,
Bush League franch I get it because of the owner,
Mike Brown, and they run it like a mom and
pop store. It's not owned by some big right corporation
or whatever, you know what, right like like most teams,
do you know what I mean? And I think that's

(41:13):
why they always get the small potatoes kind of thing.
But they have had far more success than people want
to give. No question, they are by far not the worst.
It's not even let's put at least successful franchise in
NBA history or even recent NBA or NFL. They had
they had a coach there, Marvin Lewis, for fifteen years,

(41:35):
fifteen years and they made the playoffs. Have to talk, yep,
that's those are the two super Bowls. That's two more
than the Browns can say and Detroit can say. All right,
so anyway, let's right now, Rob and we we brought
this up with antonio' daniels former NBA players in NBA
Champion yesterday about the LA Clippers. In both you and

(41:59):
I have picked them to win the Western Conference, and
most people there are those who've picked the Lakers a
significant amount, but most have picked the Clippers as the favorite.
But they had lost three straight games recently, four out
of five, and they couldn't they just couldn't get everybody
on the floor together. You know, Paul George has been

(42:20):
out Kauhi of course he's doing low management, so he's
out once every four games or so. Patrick Beverley has
been out. It just always seems like somebody's injured, and
while you certainly don't want to panic about it, it
could become a concern. At some point. You gotta get

(42:41):
on the floor and get used to playing with each
other because they don't have a ton of practice time
in the NBA. And yesterday, for I believe, only the
fifth time in robg correct me if I'm wrong. I
believe only the fifth time. It's true. Fifth time this
season they had their entire squad, and I'll tell you what, Rob,

(43:02):
it was impressive. They demolished the Memphis Grizzlies, hunched them
in the mouth right away. Right. I'm not trying to
make the Grizzlies out like they're not Milwaukee, but they
are a good team, good up and coming team. And
then let them know eight seeds in the West, and
let them know that, dude, you're not winning, Like all right,
we got we get right away. We got a three
game right, That's what I'm saying, Like, come out, Okay,

(43:25):
this game is over. Don't even think about it. You're
not gonna beat us tonight and at home in the
whole nine year old and they did what they had
to do, Chris, and you just brought up the point
that it's only the fifth time all year and then
five and all, I don't care who you beat. It's
like saying something that when you put this group together,
this's is why so many people, as you said, have

(43:45):
picked the Clippers. There's a lot of people. We're not
question most people, most people, because when you look at
it and look at the at least there are guys
who've picked Milwaukee. But between the Lakers and the Clippers
and picking up right more have picked the Clippers. Absolutely.
And then as I said, Amack just said, like with
the Clippers picking up some other bodies in uh, Marcus

(44:08):
Morris and Reggie Jackson. Just when you look at the depth,
when you look at the team, it's just about the
only thing to me that can derail this team Chris's injuries,
if they put if they play the way they're supposed
to play and the style that we love about them,
they get after it. They're dogs, you know, and do
those things. And they have Doc rivers Tyrone Low. I mean,

(44:29):
they got the coaching staff, they have the front office
that went out and made the moves that they needed
to just shore up the team unless Kawi's heart Paul
George has heard, you know, Lou Williams is heard, unless
there's something like that saying. I'm gonna be honest. If
if for some reason Paul George couldn't play, remember he

(44:52):
was injured last year in Oklahoma City. If if by
some chance he couldn't play, I still would not right
off the Clippers. I agree with that. I still would
not now because he hasn't been that big of a
part of what they're doing. And and and I know
you poo pool what they did last year, But then
I wouldn't you know, that's all in fun. I mean

(45:14):
when they didn't have to right right after they went
six games with the healthy Golden State West. That's it. Yeah,
they played well in that regard. Um, if they lost Kauai,
they would be done like they I don't care if
everybody else is healthy. If they lost Kauai, they would
not be able to win the West. They could beat
it went around maybe even two maybe, but they would

(45:37):
not beat the Lakers without Kauai. And I gotta be honest, Robe,
if they lost Patrick Beverley, I told you earlier in
the year, before the season started, one scout was telling
me the reason he favored the Clippers, which I think
was a little bit of an overstatement, but this shows
you the respect he has around the league. He said,
the reason they gonna win the West is Patrick Beverley.

(45:58):
He is he is a big part of the heart
and soul of that team. I think if they lost
Lou Williams, it would be damaging, you know, but Beverly
and Lou are really important to that team. I don't
disagree with not better than Paul George, but probably at
this point at least because George, like you said, it
hadn't been healthy that much. No, No, he really more important.

(46:18):
He really hasn't. If and if somehow, some way he
bounces back and gets healthy and plays like he played
in the first half of last season, he played great,
And it's like, oh, I know, but you know what
I mean. When if he could just stay healthy and play,
it will be interesting. But I other than injury, I
love where the Clippers are. Yes, they just hit a

(46:41):
bump in the road that they lost two tough road games, right,
they lost in Boston and in Philly. And that's the thing,
they were road games got the best home, Right, That's
what I'm saying five and two or something, so it's
not the pooh pooh it, but it just tells you
about who they played. And Rob, g you having that
five and oh when they're five and oh when they've
played uh together, the teams that they beat, and I

(47:02):
guess only two or three of them are anny good. Yeah,
I have it right in front of me here, guys. Now,
this is what's funny about this stat. Now, they did
beat the Lakers and the Heat when they had those
they're fully healthy, too good. They also beat the Wolves,
the Spurs and the Grizzlies Spurs. Isn't bad. I mean
that's a recent win. Now, here's what's funny about that
is they're saying they're five and oh, they're fully healthy,

(47:22):
which is true. They lost to the Bucks by twenty
eight points when they were missing Landry Shammitt, which apparently
that's a big deal. Was gonna give him twenty nine.
They counted that one, and then also a game where
they were missing uh, what's his name, Jamichael Green and
Michael Yeah, they lost to the Rocket, so they count

(47:43):
that doesn't count either. Okay, I hear you. I hear
what you're saying. And Rob g is a big time
Lakers fan, so he's got that anti Clippers bent. But
when you're that specific with the stat right, so so
it really could be five and two. I mean you
you you can play without and you know what, you
still take five and two ven if even if it

(48:04):
was that, you would still take that to just say
that when they have their full squad, they're tough to be.
I tell you, that's been impressive. And I watched that
game closely last night against Memphis, and they do ISO
a lot because you got great ISO players Paul George,
Lou Williams, Kawhi Leonard, but they also move the rock.

(48:25):
They moved they swing that ball. Now I'm not saying
the guy didn't take a dribble or two, but they
swing that ball around the perimeter. And even Zubach, they
swing it to him in the middle of a little
bit and he made He has some nice little moves
in there. They here's the difference, and in some this
is Lebron James. He just he's better than Kauhi. Like now,

(48:47):
you can argue because Kawhi is a defender and Lebron
isn't at this stage, but Lebron just does more than Kawhi.
He controls the game more than Kawuhi. But one of
maybe the downsides of Roan being so great and so
good it just about everything, is that his teams wherever
he's been tend to be Lebron centric, like completely based

(49:11):
around him and with his nemesis. Throughout his career have
been teams with talent that played together Golden State most
recently San Antonio before that, the Boston Celtics before that,
you know, with the Big Three, and when you watch
the Clippers, yes, Kauhi is the best player. Yes, Paul

(49:32):
George the second. Best players they fit in. It is
not based on those two. It is not Kawhi's got
to touch it every single time down or Paul George
or something. And I mean they got four guys averaging
eighteen or more points, Lou Williams and Montres har nobody
else right now. If Robers nobody else, but you would

(49:55):
be able to find four plays. Some of it may
be the injuries that you they get any more time,
but you watch him Rob, you see like it. And
I always say this about Jordan Jess Michael Jordan shot
the ball a lot, but he did not dominate the ball,
and he fit into the triangle whin he began winning

(50:16):
when it was all based on Jordan. They didn't win
championships when he was a partner triangle. Yes, obviously we
think he's the goat. Every most people think he's the goat.
But he did fit into that offense and take over
when necessary. And that's what's right and you want and
the same thing if the game gets tight in the situation,

(50:36):
you know you got Kawhi to go to all. You know,
you got Paul Georgia to get you a basket or
Lou Williams. That that's the luxury that the Clippers have,
that the that the Lakers don't have. Yeah, they're I
mean the Lakers, it's get it to Lebron or get
it to a D right, And it's not so now
I'm not Obviously the other guys get their shots, get
their touches, but most of their players come off of Lebron. Right,

(51:01):
Like we've there, That's what we've been talking about, Like
the Lakers need another playmaker because Lebron kind of creates
for everybody. And some of that's again attributed well to
his greatness. I actually think Rob that sometimes and I'm not.
I think you'll respect this. I'm not saying this to
just blow up Lebron and how great he is. I

(51:21):
do at times think though, that some of his teammates,
when you first get to play with him in practice
and see how big and how good he is, that
to some degree they just automatically defer because, like you
we talk about, when Lebron's off the floor, they can't
do anything. But Rondo can make plays. I mean, I'm

(51:43):
not saying he's what he used to be, but he's
been a guy that's been able to make plays throughout
his career. You know, they got other guys that could
make plays. Last year you had Land Stevenson and other
guys that had made been playmakers throughout their career. But
they kind of defer to Lebron when he's there, I
think because they see he's he's so good, let's just
go through him. Yeah, but it doesn't always work. But

(52:05):
it be tough to be a full team right by
show right or it's even a two man show, especially
because of where the Clippers are and the depth. I mean,
when you when you really look at their bench and
look at what's coming at you, Chris, I mean I'm
a gonna say they're twelve deep, but they're ten guys

(52:26):
that come if if and you don't even play that
many guys in the playoffs, right, probably shorten it down
to nine, eight or nine. Right, that's all in a
rotation in the playoffs because you're not playing back the backs,
you're not traveling a long distance. Is totally different from
the regular season. So that's why people always like, oh, well,
he played during the year, but you don't need to.
You want to play your best players, gonna play more.

(52:47):
You're gonna play your best players, and you're not worried
about tomorrow night. You're not worried about that. We got
a West East coach trip. You're not worried about any
of that. So that that allows them to do it
all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven, nine, nine, six sixty three sixty nine. You're
turned away in. If the LA Clippers are fully healthy,
are they the team to beat in the West? You're

(53:10):
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(53:30):
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All right, let's get right to it. Clippers looked really

(53:52):
good last night and looked like the team to beat. Actually,
but what do you think? Eight seven, seven ninety nine
on Fox to start with Mike in New York. Mike,
what's up man? What's up you guys? And happy Black
History More? Rob? You know you the first black journalist
to do everything, and ain't that big. I'll tell you that.

(54:12):
I'm proud of some of my moments. I'll tell you that.
All right now, I gotta be honest. When the when
the year first? Don't get a half Black History Month?
But I ain't black enough? But how you how you doing? No, Chris,
I'm sorry that was disrespect Chris. Sorry you don't like me,

(54:36):
but no, no, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But when
the year first thirties, I picked the Clippers just like
everybody because of the whole choir thing. But now that
I've seen everything play out, I gotta be honest, you guys.
I think the Rockets are better team than them. I
don't see them just pressing a button and the switch
and Mike, I just don't see it. Mike, Let's beat

(54:59):
Wings on this. I'm to bet. Can you want to
bet Wings? So you got? That? Will be an honor?
All right? Mike, you saying Houston's gonna win the West
I'm saying that better than the Clippers. I want some
Wings that. Okay, that's better car whoa, whoa, whoa, Wow,

(55:20):
Chris Houston. Look we bet we Mike, Houston is playing
the way it should play with Westbrook and Harden, I'll
give you that. And they are gimmicky and because nobody
else really plays like them, they can give some teams
a little bit of trouble. But I I would be

(55:40):
absolutely shocked, stunned if they beat the Clippers or the Lakers.
I actually give them a better chance of beating the
Lakers because the Clippers are built to play small ball,
and they can play it better than Houston. Eric, and Oregon.
We got two got from Mike in New York. That's why, Eric,
Or again you're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio.

(56:02):
What's up? Eric? Hello, gentlemen, how are you doing the same? Man?
What's going on in Oregon? Oh? Man, you know it's good.
We're having we're having a warm late winner. I got
my phone fixed, so you know you sound good? Yeah,
it does sound good? All right, all right, man. So
we've talked about this a couple of times. It's a
few different premutations this year about who's better Lakers Clippers.

(56:23):
I've been saying it all year a couple of times
on your show. It's Clippers to lose. Man. The only
team that can hang with them is the Bucks, and
the Bucks are gonna have to come real correct and
real strong because the Clips have so much depths. And
I love that Marcus Morris trade. When they made that trade,
up are awesome move for them, And they got so
much death man. And when they start tightening rotations down

(56:44):
to eight nine in the playoffs, I mean, they're gonna
have guys that are well rested. We're gonna have I mean,
they can go twelve thirteenth deep in the playoffs if
they want. So. They got enough guys that can come
correct and put up buckets man, and they can play
d and all year they're six and offensive rating six
and defensive rating six and next rating. And that's what
all the lineup changes, all the injuries. Now that the
you know things are you know, coming together for them,

(57:05):
they're gonna start getting more consistent. And I just, I mean,
I just don't see any way that the Lakers can
hang with them in a playoff series. Machine Eric, who
made all excellent points, And this is what we've heard
the anonymous GM and other people just say, if they're
healthy and they and they do it and they play
the way we expect them to play, they should win.

(57:25):
I mean shot appreciate, but yeah, the Clippers got to
be favored. Let's go to Andrea Massachusetts. Andre, you know
with the eye couple. Yeah, thanks for taking my call up.
If it's in butts where candy and nuts, we'd all
have a merry Christmas. But the fact of the matter
is the Clippers have real continuity issues A and then
be they're the number three seed right now, they slip
down two games. They're gonna be the five seeds and

(57:46):
the number six seeds. Here's the point of fact. These
the Clippers are the two thousand in Portland for Alblazers.
I'm taking it back, Okay, do you got to explain
that because I disagree in the Clippers there are two
thousand in Portlands for Blazers. If we remember that two
thousand team was known as too deep, as deep, they
had all kinds of yet they had our Vitus, a bonus,

(58:07):
Rashid Wallace, Brian Grant, Scottie Pippers who I wanted, you
know what. They lacked Andre and keep Andre on. They
didn't have a leader. Rashid Wallace and arrival noticed because
he came to Detroit and played the Rashid Wallace was
a number one talent, but he didn't want to be that.
He didn't want the responsibility of being that guy that's
got to carry the team. So when he went to Detroit,

(58:29):
he fit in perfectly because he just wanted to fit in. Yes,
and there was already Chauncey was that was the leader
of that team. That was mister big shot. Everybody knew
that Chauncey ran the team and the Clippers have leader
Kauai isn't afraid of that. No, and Clips. The Clippers
have leaders who haven't. Let Kawhi just won a championship, yeah,

(58:54):
last year. I'm talking about this year. In conclusion. For me,
the Lakers have established the culture. The Clippers have not,
and that's why I'm not sold on the Clippers today.
All right, Andre, thank you, Laker Homer, Kevin and Culver City.
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, keV?
What's up? Guys? Hey? Um, I really just want to
put it like this. The Clippers are no in no

(59:16):
way will beat the Lakers in the Western Conference. I'm
gonna say like here, Kawhi Leonard is a fabulous player,
but Paul George his game over last for Kawhi when
they made that trade. I know they have to get Kauhi,
but they gave away the mismatch against the Lakers and
Nilo Gallinari. You could play him one through five. He
spaces the floor out and he brings Anthony Davis. I'll
have to defend him. Now you got Anthony Davis. If

(59:38):
barbecue chickens, he doesn't have to to send anybody in
the post and who's gonna deal with Anthony Davis? Do
have him on the court at six six, There's no
way he's second after days. Throw the bond side and look,
you make a good point. I've been saying it all year.
They don't have a good match for a D. But

(01:00:01):
a d's averaging three points and six minutes a game
in the fourth quarter, and a D will let you
push him off the post. Now be goals onto that
post and they feed him, then yeah, but I gotta
see it. And let me tell you, if you're not
doing it throughout the regular year, and it ain't gonna
happen in the playoffs. Magically, all the Samy points he

(01:00:22):
got in the fourth quarts against the Clipper two games,
four points, four points total. You make a good point,
but I haven't seen that the Lakers are going to
do that for whatever reason. So if they do it, yeah,
that's one of the ways they can try to win
that series. Let's go to Edward and Omaha Nebraska. Edward,
you're on with Chris and Rob. You just took my point.

(01:00:43):
The reason why the Clippers good the only team that's
a thread with the Lakers, and I don't trust a
D to be that guy because he disappears too much.
All you gotta do is to trumple Lebron and then
but I'm trying to depend on anthing. He did this,
and every time they do that, they fall behind. Lebron
Lee's the court's been on any Davis, you fall behind.

(01:01:05):
He's not that guy. You can't trust them well and
and look that's been his history. But I also put
some blame on the Lakers. They're playing him the entire
third quarter and then, like I said, playing him about
half of the fourth, and they should sit him down
midway through the third and allowing the play and get
ready for the fourth. Years. Yeah, you've been sitting it
all youay, and maybe look Denver the good win before

(01:01:28):
the break. They played him more in the fourth. They
played him more in the fourth Sunday against Boston. But
that's what they need to do. And he needs to
get up five six shots in that fourth quarter. So
we'll see. There's a formula that I think the Lakers
need to follow to have a good chance to beat
the Clippers. But right now the Clippers should be the favorite,
all right. Hugh Jackson has said in the past, you

(01:01:48):
need big hands to play quarterback in the AFC North.
Let's see if Rob can get through this segment without
giggling and chuckling. I'm not gonna say anything, my man, Hugh.
I'm just here to listen and get some knowledge somebody
who knows so. In Hugh's eye, should the small hands
of Joe Burrow deter the Bengals from taking him first?

(01:02:09):
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nine four seven Auto. The only hard part is figuring
out which way is easier. We're waiting on Hugh Jackson,
but Rob Philadelphia. There's some news came out of the
Sixers today, and that is that Ben Simmons this back
injury that he suffered. It looks like he's gonna get

(01:02:52):
reevaluated in two weeks. But there's according to the sources,
for ESPN. They don't really expect him to be available
in those two weeks, and there's no timetable for his return.
Now that always sounds terrible, like, wow, he might not
be here the rest of the season and they're not
going that far anything, But there is just no timetable. Yeah,

(01:03:15):
it could be a month, it could be three weeks,
it could be six weeks, who knows. But what's worse though, Chris,
is just that it's a back and it's always iffy.
All right. Well, speaking of Iffy, we're gonna get into
this next subject in the NFL draft and some developments
coming out today. We're gonna talk about it with the

(01:03:36):
former NFL head coach of the Cleveland Browns Oakland Raiders,
Hugh Jackson. Hugh, welcome to the Odd Couple. What's up, Hugh?
What's up? By Couple? How you guys join We are
great man. It's always good to have you on the show.
So thank you for joining us. And you saw the
news about Joe Burrow. His hands apparently are small for
an NFL quarterback, nine inches. Now, you've said in the

(01:03:58):
past that that is a factor in your mind, you know,
especially when you play in Clement Weather talk to us
about that. And if you think that should be a
deterrent to taking him number one, well, it is a factor.
But if the guy hasn't demonstrated that he'll turn the
ball over that way, then I think you can kind
of look past it. But I mean, these NFL teams

(01:04:22):
are going to evaluate everything, so I would think that's
one of the things they evaluate, because, like you said,
if it's snowing, if it's raining, a lot guys who
have the ball slip out of their hands because their
hands are not equipped to handle the ball in those
situations because of sometimes hand size, All of that goes
into the equation. How about the this guy. We know

(01:04:44):
the footballs are different sizes, h but it doesn't make
that Yeah, college and protoes it really make that big
of a difference when it comes to hand size about
the ball. That's what I'm trying to ask. Sometimes it
can you know, it all depends on how the guy
grips the ball. You know, it doesn't look like this
guy has had any trouble that way, So I don't
want to create anything for him just to create it.

(01:05:06):
But right I would think every NFL team is gonna
you know, look at everything you have to. I mean,
this guy's gonna be the first pick of the drift,
so I would think you take everything into the consideration
to make that decision. Is it more concerned about fumbling
the ball or throwing it? Like? Have you ever seen
a guy, because of the difference in the size of

(01:05:27):
the balls in college and pro not throw it as
well in college and the pros as he did in college?
And I don't I understand the pressure as far as
you know, the pass rush and the windows are smaller
than the NFL and all that. I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about just actually throwing the football without pressure

(01:05:47):
and stuff. Have you ever seen guys that just don't
throw the bigger NFL ball as well as they do
the college ball, No, sir, that happens. That hasn't been
at It's normally been what you said earlier. It's about turnovers. Normally,
the guy the ball is easier to come out of
his hand, he gets hit on the arm because the
hand is not as big, the ball pops out, somebody

(01:06:08):
grabs the hand, the hand is big, they're able to
rip it out. As you know, turnovers playing a huge
part in today's NFL game, it's a matter of winning
and losing. So, like I said, all those things will
going to the equation. How about when you talk about
Joe Burrow, it's just hard to pass on the guy
who just put up the season that he had in college,

(01:06:30):
arguably the greatest season for a college quarterback, and he
is from a high like if you're the Bengals, he's
from Ohio. He's got all these things going in his favor.
And if you're the Bengals, can you even afford to
like say no, we're gonna do something else or pick
somebody else and pass on a guy like that, More

(01:06:51):
than likely not, especially if you don't have that quarterback
in your organization. I mean, the guy had a tremendous
season right in you and the guy's trump Ohio. He's
a great kid, he comes from a really good program,
he was well schooled. Sound like his football IQ is
off the chart. I mean, this guy has the makings

(01:07:12):
of being a really good NFL quarterback. So I think
it would be very hard at the premier position, when
you know there's a guy that you have a chance
to take with the first pick of the draft to
pass him by what one other one is the Lions
have the third pick. I guess they've announced that they
are willing to trade down or whatever. You know that

(01:07:32):
some people were saying they hope that the Lions maybe
would take Tua even though they have Matthew Stafford. But
it's but Hugh, it's been eleven years, three playoff games,
no playoff wins, Matt was the first overall pick. Would
the Lions be crazy to take Tua and think about
changing up? Maybe you can't do it this year or
maybe next year. But is that crazy or not? No,

(01:07:54):
it's not. I don't think you can ever have too
many good quarterbacks in the building. You know, if you're
really believing that that is the premier position in the
National Football League, which we all know is, you better
make sure you have it right and you better be
ready to transition on from the veteran who's played a
long time in the league who might be falling off.
And I'm not saying that Matt that Stafford is, but

(01:08:17):
you better make sure you position the organization for the
future because of that guy starts to fall off and
you're not ready. That means now you might be behind
three years or so. Hugh, Jackson, former NFL coach, joining
the I couple you. You were the offensive coordinator in Cincinnati,
and you guys had some good years those two years
you made the playoffs. You won I believe ten and

(01:08:37):
twelve games in those seasons, and Marvin Lewis what made
went to seven playoff games. People are talking about the
Bengals like they are just this horrible Bush League franchise,
and some people are saying that Joe Burrow should pull
an Eli Manning or John Elway and refuse to play
for him. Look is that fair? I mean, no, I don't.

(01:09:04):
I don't see that at all. I mean, but I'm
glad you pointed it out. I mean, Marvin Lewis does
a tremendous job. That's what it says, and it says
that he's a really good football coach, regardless of what
everybody else says. That is almost the same team. And
there they now have the first pick of the draft.
So that being said, there are some tremendous people in

(01:09:25):
that organization, starting with Mike Brown. The contrary to what
anybody says or believes, I think Mike is a really
good football guy. I think the surrounding people Duke Tobin
and the rest of the family, Katie and Troy. I
think they're good football people. They work at it every day.
Is everything perfect, No, I mean, but at the same time,
there's thirty one there's thirty one other teams, and everything's

(01:09:47):
not perfect neither. But I think it's a good place
for a quarterback to go play. I would be disappointed
if he was picked first and didn't want to go
play for the Bengals. I think the Bengals got a
chance to get back to where they need to be.
How fast that's going to happen, I don't know that.
I think that's gonna be in time, but I think
one of the key pieces is getting the right quarterback

(01:10:08):
back into the organization. Q How do their facilities, their
scouting departments, you know, things like that. Compared to you know,
other other places and organizations around the league, the facilities
are as good, you know. Now they have a smaller
scouting department, and I kind of like, I hate to
say it, but I kind of like what they do

(01:10:28):
because the coaches are more involved. You know, as a
coach is almost like recruiting. You got to go out
and go see these guys and make sure that this
guy's who you know, you say, is when they get
ready to make that decision. Now, I haven't been there
in the last year and a half, so I don't
know if some of that's changed now because there's a
new regime. But I know when I was there before,
the coaches were really involved and we really appreciate having

(01:10:52):
our voices heard that way. You lasting you you talked
about Joe Burrow. Is there any doubt in your mind?
I mean, this is there's some good quarterbacks in this draft,
most notably Toah. You got justin Herbert, like, is there
any doubt in your mind that that Burrow is the
guy the best quarterback in this draft? Or could it
be TOA somebody else's There's no doubt in my mind,

(01:11:16):
And I think TOA is extremely good. There's no doubt.
But he's gonna be you know, it's gonna be a
while before he can play, and you're still not sure
how he's gonna come off of that particular injury. M.
But I think here's a guy that doesn't have any
of those kind of warps on him. He's a tremendous player.
The guys, the Heisman Trophy winner, M. He's gonna, you know,

(01:11:38):
rejuvenate your fan base. He's gonna bring instant credibility back
to the organization in Cincinnati. What they gotta do is
put a good team around him so he can have
a chance to have success. That's what it was. Hey, Hugh,
real quick, twenty seconds, where does Tom Brady wind up?
I'm just curious that just your gut. I'm not asking
you to report anything, but just your gut, my gut, fans,

(01:12:01):
he stays, and wow, I agree. I'm saying he's going
to the Chargers. Oh that would be it would be amazing.
All right, Hugh, great stuff and charge tickets. Just my,
they get a few more fans. That's right. We appreciate

(01:12:22):
the knowledge, brother, Thank you, Thank you. All right, one
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(01:12:44):
the Eye Couple Chris and Rob and we kind of
started talking about this as We were waiting for Hugh
Jackson before last segment, but the Philadelphia seventy six Ers
rob and the news of the day is that Ben
Simmons this back injury. It's a it's a nerve impingement.
And remember that is what Kyrie Irving had in his shoulder,

(01:13:06):
was an impingement, and now he's out for the rest
of the season, going to have shoulder surgery. So they're
saying that Ben will get reevaluated in two weeks, but
there's no expectation according to reports, that he'll be ready
to play in those two weeks, and there's no timetable,
so you just take from that that it could be

(01:13:27):
four weeks, it could be six weeks. Who knows how
long it could be. And obviously that is a huge
blow to the Sixers, who did win last night. They
scored Joel NB led him with forty nine points. But
let's let's keep it real. Without Ben Simmons, they've got
no chance in my in my view, to win the

(01:13:49):
East or or really even come close to winning the East.
Oh no, not if they're not. But I think it
derails them rob not only this year. If he's out
significant a significant amount of time, but going forward, because
you definitely want it. Before you trade one of those
two stars, you want to give it every single chance

(01:14:14):
to work. So I think I've said if they go
out early, have a disappointing postseason, then I think you
do one of two things. You either fire to coach
Brett Brown and bring in a coach that you feel
confident can maximize those two players together, or you trade
Joel Embiid. Now, if if Simmons is out a good amount,

(01:14:34):
I think that becomes if we go out early. I'm
not you know, saying Brett Brown's automatically gotta go, but
let's see what plays out. But if it doesn't go
well in the playoffs, I think now you have to
keep Embeid and try to bring in a new coach.
It's gonna make it work well. And I tell you who,
I like Mark Jackson, but he's just not getting no.

(01:14:56):
I understand you think that he should. He was there
with the Warriors before, did a good job. Yeah he
got he got it going there and then he didn't
get to finish it. But um, I think you're right.
Philadelphia is in a tough spot. Also, you don't know,
like okay, Simmons has a bad back. What if I
trade him Bead he not? And then if you know

(01:15:17):
what I mean's what most people are saying, they would
trade and be because of the health concerns. But now
you got it with the other guy. And then the
other point is, uh, if you wanted to trade Simmons,
I don't. He got a bad back. He can't tie
his shoe. I don't know. You know, so you can't.
You can't move him right now? No, no, no, no,
you know what I mean. You're right. There's a few reasons.

(01:15:39):
So it looks like what this could do is assured
that those two come back together next year. That's what
I'm saying, because there's so much up in the air.
You need Simmons to see where his health is. And
obviously if him bead is is good, you know, the
rest of the year or whatever, and that's fine. But
Simmons now is a question mark. Yeah, no question Now.
Kendrick Perkins. We love Kendrick and were what we say.

(01:16:02):
We've had him in the studio before he signed his
I think his exclusive deal with the other network. Is
that what he got exclusive? Because you're not believe so
we don't see him anywhere else, right, Yeah, it is
um and he's doing a good job. And and we
told Perk, look, if you're gonna be an ex athlete,
you gotta say something. And he says something. That's say,
that's one of our things. Because a lot of guys

(01:16:22):
they they'll give a lot of guys chances, and a
lot of guys come and go, and we see them
all come and go because mostly they're couching everything. They're
friends with people. Uh, I want to be critical critical,
and it's just like, dude, you're in the wrong business.
Not that you have to rip people just to rip people,
but if somebody's not playing well whatever, if you can't

(01:16:44):
say that and you can't be on televisional rating, yep.
And I do think more athletes are understanding that now
because you know, guys seem to realize that comes with
the business. UM and Perk is one of them. And
he you know, obviously he and Kevin Durant of friends
and they got it. You know, they they wouldn't at
it famously, but win social media. But I always say this,

(01:17:05):
when did uh Shannon turned from being a next football
player to like this sports guy with a voice. He
had to say something about ray Lewis. You remember that
and a buddy and a buddy and and a good friend. Yep,
you know what I'm saying. It did cause some tension relationship, right,

(01:17:30):
But do you know what I'm saying. But Shannon was
in that thing. If he would have gone the other way,
and oh, I can't say nothing. That's ray Lewis, you
know what I'm saying. And people look at you differently,
and I'm just saying it's important, right right. So uh
but Perk he called the Sixers front runners, and he
was like, you know, Joe l MB who they beat
last night night? Rob you? They beat the Hawks, I mean,

(01:17:52):
one of the worst teams in the league, but they
you know, Hawks been playing a little bit better. But
an MB was really excited about that, and Perks said,
where's all that energy? Where's all that swag when you
played Milwaukee last week? You know you're sticking out your
chest and talking all this ying yang when you beat

(01:18:13):
the Hawks. But what about the other teams that are
playoff teams and championship contenders? Where is that same energy?
That's what Perks said. And so Philadelphia, look, they're they're
great at home, and he used that against them. You're
great at home, you're horrible on the road. You are
front runners, and they got to look at that. I'm

(01:18:35):
sure they hear it, and they got to use that
as motivation because they should be a better team. But
get it done. Don't be the front runners, Perk said,
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to it as we watch on and T and T.
Zion Williamson walks into the building, the Staples Center for

(01:19:21):
his first regular season matchup with Lebron James, and this
means something, folks. This is the first time. And I
know I'm overstating it because I'm not saying Zion Williamson
is going to be Kobe Bryant or Alan Iverson. He

(01:19:44):
may be better than Iverson, We'll see. But when Iverson
first matched up with Jordan, when Kobe first match up
with Jordan, who would a Lebron. I mean, I'm not
gonna I'm not gonna see what Jordan was gone, but Lebron.
Who guess it was Kobe? When Lebron first matched up
with Kobe? You remember that? No? But I'm just saying yeah,

(01:20:06):
But you know I'm saying that you don't remember. I
don't don't remember Lebron and Kobe roughly a seventh year.
I'm just saying I don't. I don't remember that. No,
I don't, I don't remember. I do remember several of
Lebron's early games. I was at I covered his first

(01:20:26):
game in Sacramento when the Kings were good for the
New York Times, and he put on the show. But
my point is just that this is the current face
of the league and the guy who's been the face
of the league for a decade, if not more, I
would say more, Lebron James facing the guy that most
people think is the era apparent as at least as

(01:20:49):
far as face of the league, and that being Zion Williamson.
And there are other reasons to be into this one.
This could be a preview of the first round playoff
matchup in the Western Conference. The Pelicans are hot. They've
gone eight and five since Zion's been back. They were
seventeen to twenty seven before Zion came back. And they're

(01:21:11):
only three and a half games behind Memphis in for
the eighth spot, and Memphis has the toughest schedule remaining.
Portland is in front of him as well, but Damian
Lillard's out, and so they got a shot getting that
eighth seed. And what a shot that A matchup that
would be just for storyline's sake, because again, all the

(01:21:33):
ex Lakers that are playing in New Orleans courtesy of
the Anthony Davis trade. Brandon Ingram goes there and blossoms
into an All star Linzo ball, playing the best ball
of his career. And then Josh Hart being what he is,
a heart and soul guy, a good professional role player,
and of course a d who was in New Orleans

(01:21:55):
for seven years with the Lakers. Now, what I want
to get to, though, Rob, is what Zion Williamson said
the other day, And Rob, G, I hope you're ready.
Uh tell us what Zion said about Lebron one day.
Uh uh, he said, but at shoot around yesterday I
had quote. I used to watch him all the time,

(01:22:17):
especially when he was in Cleveland that first time. He
was just an incredible player to watch. He always held
his own and sometimes I feel he doesn't get the
respect he deserved. Now, can I say something Cleland'm gonna
let you go first, ahead ahead, Zion. I hope he's
telling the truth. Because Lebron left Cleveland in twenty ten.

(01:22:38):
Zion is nineteen years old, so he was So I'm
a little skeptical. So I wish somebody would have pushed
back when he was a reporter to say, at eight
or nine, you will watch le last couple of years,
I mean most of the year times he was in Cleveland.
You were really young, do you know what, I'm seven five, Yeah,

(01:23:02):
you could have. Somebody should have pushed back. Don't just
take what you know, like sometimes as reporters, you gotta
listen and go watch, like and it's not like trying
to be just stick to the script. Right. We talked
about it following up like the worst thing when at
USC I always talk to the kids about this. Listen
to the people you're interviewing. Don't be all set up

(01:23:24):
with I got these five questions and I'm going to
the second question. When he's finished. Listen to what they're
telling you. They might tell you something that's even more important.
And Chris, you you could you could capitalize on and go, wait, wait, Joe,
you're telling me when you were eight years old you
were watching Lebron. And then he has to go and
it might be I didn't watch I didn't watch cartoons.

(01:23:47):
I didn't you know what I mean. He could have
said I in the TV and he said, I want
you to watch basketball all I want you, So then
you got even better right quotes and whatnot. He gets
tripped up and go, uh right, But anyway, I meant
the second time. But that's a good story too, because
then you caught him lying. And it's like right, because

(01:24:09):
we've people have been caught I mean where where they're
trying to pay somebody compliment and then you go, wait
a minute, okay. But the only thing I take issue
with is this whole notion that Lebron doesn't get respect.
And I know he's trying to be the good young
rook I'm gonna pay respect to Lebron Lebron don't get well,

(01:24:31):
he's due because he's an incredible guy, incredible player, what
a great guy. Stop it, Sion. Lebron gets his respect.
People will understand. Most people consider him. They're people who
will argue left and right, Chris, that he's better than
Michael Jordan. Am I right or wrong? You're right about it?

(01:24:52):
All right? So you can't say if he's not getting
he didn't get enough respect, then he wouldn't even be
in that conversation. He gets so much respect, Chris, that
Kobe wasn't even in the conversation. Let's be honest until lately,
right and maybe uh when when former players? Every time
we talked to former players, Chris, his name would come up, right, yes,

(01:25:13):
but the masses, what was it always about Michael Jordan
and Lebron James? So this is my whole lot notion
that I'm not buying this whole thing. I get it.
He wants to be nice, he's playing Lebron. He wants
to say something nice about Lebron and whatnot. But I
don't buy that he really believes that Lebron doesn't get
his respect. He gets his respect. There's plenty of minions

(01:25:36):
out there. That love Lebron James, and god forbid you
say something about Lebron James, you know, led by Chris Bussarge.
Of course you're a minion. I'm gonna call you a
mini Rob Parker. You stop it. You you for all
people I'm taking up. Talk about how much respect Lebron gets,

(01:25:58):
And yeah, he gets respect. Buddy also gets a heck
of a lot of criticism that he does not deserve.
And I'm not saying he does never deserve criticism. Nobody's
above reprose. You remember when he didn't go to the
pizza party and pizza, Rob G? You remember you had
you out there, you your cousin Freddie, uh, your buddy John,

(01:26:19):
and you had a car loaded full of people to
go out there to get a free pod. You're cutting
off point. Why do you know I'm about to wait
slay you? What facts ahead? He said I was racist? One?
Why is he the Mexican gotta have a car full
of people gonna get free pizza? Why don't you say,

(01:26:39):
Alex Alex, no, I'm I'm gonna come to Rob the
Because Rob G was just up in here talking about
how black people don't watch Good Morning in America. Is
that right? I'm like, why can't we watch Good Morning
in America? We were up watching Soul Train instead that
were up there dancing to hip hop at six in
the morning, We're watching that break dancing BT. Hey, ye, shots,

(01:27:03):
I was just saying it was free pizza and you
and your family and buddies were going. I didn't I
didn't sinuate that. It was like you kind of someone
that you're accused of that, all right, you should have
pointed out Alex instead. Alex, you know what for you
to play that for me of all people? What do
you mean? Hey, you said it. You made a racist comment. No,

(01:27:26):
it wasn't racist. No, I mean, I'm just I'm all
right away, go ahead, I know, but here, fall away
from me. Rob Parker, you got a lot of nerves.
You got it. You know That's what your mom used
to say to you, right, you got a lot of
nerves before she pulled out the belt and spanked me.
Um you have called you have labeled a man who

(01:27:52):
is reached nine NBA finals, a man who went to
eight straight NBA finals out of the week East Cuhod.
No team has done that, save the old Boston Celtics
when there were only five teams, and you have labeled
him the fifth vote the finals failure of all time.

(01:28:17):
So that right there is straight up disrespect and supports
Zion's statement. But that's not the half of it, because
also you and those of your ilk have said that
Lebron James is not clutch, that he's scared down the stretch,

(01:28:38):
and yet in game time or go ahead field goals
with less than ten seconds to play in the playoffs,
I'm not talking about some meaningless regular season game one
of eighty two. I'm talking about money time. I'm talking
about the playoffs. Here the stats for all the clutch guys,

(01:29:02):
the great ones, the ones in the goat conversation, Kobe
Bryant five for twenty two in those situations twenty three percent,
Michael Jordan seven for fifteen in those situations forty seven percent.
Lebron James twelve for twenty three in those situations fifty

(01:29:26):
two percent. So you stop it, Rob Parker, You've called
him he's not clutch. He's afraid to shoot the basketball.
He wants to pass it off to the George Hills
and the Call Corvers of the world. And yet the stats,
the facts back up Lebron James, and I got one

(01:29:49):
more for you. In career go ahead shots in the
final five seconds of the fourth quarter or overtime again
in the playoffs, Michael Jordan five for eleven forty five,
three buzzer beaters in the postseason Lebron James seven for

(01:30:12):
fifteen forty seven percent, five buzzer beaters. So I don't
care what the eye test says. I don't care what
your psychological analysis. You're reading this body language, you reading
this facial expression, I care what that says. The facts

(01:30:34):
say that Lebron James, and I'm I would take Michael
Jordan in the clutch over Lebron. No. But that's no
shame in that. But that's what it is. But you're
just saying he's not clutch, and the numbers don't back
that up. And that is why the young guy, the
wonder King, Zion Williamson made that statement. Chris, you make

(01:30:57):
a compelling argument, but I'm still not buying it from
this damn point. You just said it. You would take
Michael ten out of ten times in the clutch moment
if Lebron Michael no, no, No. The stats tell you
that Lebron saying, I'm not saying Lebron's not a good
clutch player, but the stats. But the stats tell you

(01:31:18):
he's better than Michael. Why would you? Why would you
take Michael because why that you don't Will Chamberlain? Why
better than Kareem? I would take Kareem. This is what
I'm telling you. Stats don't always tell I told you numbers.
You're saying he's not clutch. That's different than saying I
still would take Michael Jordan, but his stats are better
than Michael Jordan. That's what I'm My point is if

(01:31:39):
if you're looking at the stats and you're reciting stats,
but you don't even buy into him, why should anybody else?
By having the ball in the clutch. That's all I'm saying. No,
you wouldn't. If I've also said there was one ball
and you had to give it to one guy with
the game on the line, you would give it to
Michael Jordan. I would give it to Lebron over Kobe,
would you. Yeah, those numbers are way different. I would

(01:32:04):
die Lebron. That's what I'm saying. That's the disrespect that
he's not clutch, and no disrespect to Kobe, because Kobe
was great in The Clutch two, but Kobe and Michael
had that killer Clutch mentality and Lebron's mentality in the
Clutch is I'm going to make the right play, whether

(01:32:25):
it's me shooting or me passing. All right, what do
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(01:32:47):
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We want to see what your view is on Zion

(01:33:30):
Williams's comment that Lebron James doesn't get the respect of
the credit he deserves the Rodney danger feel of the NBA.
Come on with that. I'm just saying, let's start with
Google Rodney Danger feel. If you don't know who that?
Eric and North Carolina? You're on with christ and Rob? Hey,
what's going on? Fellas? How you Rob? I'm doing great,

(01:33:51):
doing great. I'm a I'm a I'm a Lebron fanatic.
I'm gonna say that. You know, I love Lebro. Also,
I'm gonna say I love Jordan, I love Kobe. So death,
who's better? Eric? What you got? You gotta pick the one? George?
You know, George's the best off of six old alone.
But here's the thing. I respect Lebron for the simple thing.
And even as an eighteen year old, he strived to

(01:34:13):
be one of the greatest of all time. And that's
something These kids don't give you that. But really, obviously
I like Lebron too, But that that's you don't think
other guys strive you don't Kobe. Kobe wanted to be
the great, and obviously those guys. But Zion doesn't want

(01:34:34):
to be the best. John Moran doesn't want to be
that man. Anybody who's playing to get to that level,
you want to be thought off as the greatest ever.
I called back Eric one time, but that I just
you gotta come better than that. Even at eighteen. He
strives to be the best. When I was eighteen, I
wanted to be the best sports witer in the country.
And here I am. You know, Eric, we challenge folks,

(01:34:56):
but we love you. But call out. Let's go to
Mike in Vegas. Mike, you know with christ and also,
how y'all doing? Why why you got this defeatist attitude?
Like you sound like ships in the Deontay Wilders. Yes,
what's up? Y'all? Y'all know me, man, Listen, I call

(01:35:16):
ya all the time. Y'all know me, man, Listen. I
just got out the hospital with terminal terminal writing something
that has to do with lockjaw, So my jaws a
little man. Terminal try geminal try gem okay, okay, okay,
no no good, But Anyways, though, Rob there's a song

(01:35:37):
that little Wayne and Yo Gotti wants that that, uh,
women lie, men lie, but numbers don't lie. I feel
like I'm not a Lebron fan whatsoever, all right, but
he doesn't get enough credit where it comes down to,
if I had to rank the three greatest question players
of all time, it'd be Michael Kobe Lebron. That's just
playing and simple. So Dion's he's hitting onto something. What

(01:36:00):
it is, I really don't know because I grew up
kind of like he did watching Michael at the last
part of the error. But Dion might be onto something. Man,
there's other guys though. Bird was incredible. It was a
lot of fight. Reggie Miller, who's not as great as
any Easie Miller incredibly, Ray Allen, ray Allen, Chauncey, mister

(01:36:26):
big shot Robert. They didn't name him that for no reason.
He made a lot of big during that Pistons run.
He made a lot of big I think Reggie Miller's in,
with all due respect to his career, because it was
a great career. I think he's in the Hall of
Fame because he was clutch like that. You know, that
performance against the Knicks, and I covered that game Chris
and sat there and watched that. That was one of

(01:36:49):
the Alzheimers, wasn't it eight points in eighteen seconds? That
was incredible. It was incredible. And I was sitting underneath
the basket, and I saw when he pushed down Greg Anthony,
I mean push ruled out and as through the ball
he's doing it to Greg Anthony went straight to Mill.
He stepped back. Just yeah, that was not Reggie Miller.

(01:37:12):
And and I get it. The young guys don't know
because you know, you're not looking up Reggie Miller. Highlights
Reggie Michael Jordan or even Isaiah Thomas or guys that
are truly the elite of the elite. And Reggie is
a great player, Hall of Famer. But that y'all, young bucks,
check him out. Go to you to google Reggie Miller. Clutch.

(01:37:36):
I mean, he was as clutch as anybody. I mean,
that's when he was at his best. He didn't get
a lot of assists, he didn't get a lot of rebounds,
and he only averaged, you know, about twenty one points
a game for his career. You know, his best year
sometimes twenty four. But you know, he wasn't even this
twenty seven, twenty eight point score. But that dude, the

(01:37:58):
game was never over if it was within striking distance
when Reggie Miller was on the court. So there have
been a lot of clutch players, and you know it,
that'd be an interesting list one day. Who are the
most clutch players? Ever? I don't think it would be
Jordan Kobe Lebron even though they're those guys have been

(01:38:19):
clutched two. But there's been a lot of good ones.
All right, we are I mentioned it the Deontay Wilder fight,
and we're going to talk about it now. Is he
on the verge of making a huge mistake. We're gonna
be joined by the former boxing manager for Mike Tyson.

(01:38:42):
That's right, Iron Mike. He'll join us next to talk
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(01:39:25):
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(01:39:47):
the boxing manager for Iron Mike Tyson, one of the
greatest ever do it. His name is John Horne. John,
Welcome to the Eye Couple. Hey guys, how are you doing?
We are great? My man out now. Let me give
you your props because you were one of the few
um boxing that spurts such as myself, Teddy Atlas, guys

(01:40:10):
like that, what're you talking about? You do yourself in
the Star Porter. We picked We picked Deonte Wider to
beat Tyson, Fury and knock him out. You picked Tyson Fury,
tell us why and you know how you thought he'd
play out. Well, first of all, you know you can't
get you can't get boxing the picks wrong too much,
you don't. You don't get many of them are years.

(01:40:31):
So when you get the wrong the other way, you
can get a basketball game wrong and Monday and then
Sunday you look like a genius. Right, right, right. But anyway,
what really made me believe that Fury has such an edge.
I watched Furry and fight Clichko, and everybody know how

(01:40:51):
long Clichko rained and how tough he was to beat.
You also, I mean very European style fighter, which was huge,
and when I've seen fears him, he was really raw.
But for the first time I see somebody look Clischko
in the eye, and I think Clischko just could not
figure out how to beat this guy. In every round,
I thought the round was getting, it was gonna this
was gonna be the round, This was gonna be the round.

(01:41:13):
So at the end of the day we all know
he beat Clishko. Wilder to me, has a problem because
he has such a big punch. It's very difficult for
trainers or anybody else to really stay hard on a
person who has such a big punch and not put
the fundamentals into him because he's gonna need them later on.

(01:41:33):
And he and I just didn't see no real footwork
or balance to him that would make me think he
could really beat Fiery, I mean be Fiery, but Fury
when Fiery for him the first time. You gotta remember Fury,
that was Fairie's first big fight after coming back from
personal problems. So to me it was really he really
beat him the first fight. The two knockdowns gave everybody

(01:41:55):
hope that that Wilder probably could beat him, But he
really got beat the first fight. The second fight, when
I heard Fury said what his strategy was, he figured
out that this man really couldn't beat him, and he
wasn't fighting defensively this time. He went to go take
him out right away. And I knew if he stepped
two while there, there's no way Wilder. Robbers can't fight

(01:42:15):
backing up, very few fighters. That's what made Alis so great.
He could back fighting. He could fight backing up if
he had to and see and and that's a major thing.
You if Wilder step to you hit you that at
one two punch you knock out a horse. But Fury
was not gonna let this man knock him out this time.
And he had the ability of and he's huge, right,

(01:42:36):
He's a huge man. Hey, hey, John, what do you
make of some people saying when he got hit what
behind the ear with the equilibrium? I'm just was there
something there to that or is that just people looking
for excuses? Well, Rob, this this is my thing with that.
First of all, the man walks around with a pish

(01:42:56):
air with a hole as big of a quarter in
his ear. Okay for for his piercing, he has a
big Okay, Now I don't I'm not absolutely sure, but
I believe that if you need to, you can take
that piercing on his ear. I believe that that that
blood has started with a drip from that air because
of that piercing. I'm not positive, but but it's something

(01:43:17):
that that that gotta be further looked into. And so
when I when when when he hit him there, it's
almost like anytime Fury Fury actually with that weight that
he has. I don't know, but I know when you
hit somebody behind the air, top of the head side
of the head. That's the equilibrium. They could not get
anybody off. And so when I when I seen that happen,
the first thing came to my mind when he had
when he was doing an interview before the right before

(01:43:39):
the fight and he hit that big ring erring in
his air. I didn't like that. Then. I was hoping
it was something that wasn't permanent. You know, it wasn't
a piercing I hold was some kind of false ring
erring or something, because there's no way he should have
been going in that ring with that kind of hole
in his air in the first place. John Horn, former
boxing manager from Mike Tyson joining the Eye Couple. Now,

(01:44:02):
Wilder has said that he's going to take the rematch
immediately with Fury. Is he moving too fast? I mean,
should he perhaps have a tune up or two before
getting back in there with Tyson? Fury, he can have
all the tune us he want. He can't beat that man,
So he has to figure out what does he want
to continue fighting and really fighting for his respect going forward. Now,

(01:44:28):
had he had he left it at that first fight,
he gave everybody illusion that because he knocked him down
like that, he might be a win he left the
first fight better than hands right now. So if he
wanted to just go ahead and get the rematch, because
so much money is evolved and he's really looking to
try to make a better showing, so he would go
out with some respect, cool, go ahead and do it.
But if he wants to stay in boxing, he would,

(01:44:49):
to my opinion, he would have to hire a new
trainer start for six months. The trainer can't let him
use that right hand at all. He got to start
with footwork. He has no technique, no fundamentals. No, it's
no footwork at all. They say he had the highest
knockout percentage ever, but he also has the worst foot
work ever. Right So to me, it all depends what

(01:45:11):
if he want to keep as long as he can.
He can tell his story he want publicly, But when
he get in that bathroom or in that mirror to himself,
he gotta ask himself, can he beat this guy? Well,
I'm glad you went there because I've wondered mentally, can
he bounce back from this? You've seen guys. I mean,
when guys that are dominant for so long finally get

(01:45:31):
beat or exposed or whatever. It may be a lot
of times they have trouble bouncing back. Dude, what do
you think mentally can bounce back from this? He's not built.
He's not built right to be fury. His legs are
he doesn't have enough strength in his legs foot when
he gets tired. See, no matter who you are in boxing,
when you get tired, there's no time out, there's no substitution.

(01:45:51):
There ain't nobody coming to save you at all. And
you get to wobble and running around here and then
get a hit upside your head again. It's a whole
different all game. So he My thing is this, I
don't think he matches up well. I don't care what
he can't beat this guy about? What about him versus
Joshua much he got he got a much better chance,

(01:46:13):
He got a much better chance to get they both
stand up fighters. Basically, Joshua would not be able to
put the kind of winner. Technically Joshua got him beat
by country Mouth right, Hey John? Uh. The other thing
is I know that Wilder wants to you know, the
rematch or what I do, But do fight fans? You know,

(01:46:33):
really want to you know the I know the third
fighter man, But but does do fight fans want to
see a third fight after seeing this butt whooping and
fighting number two? Would fans be be geekd for this? Well,
it's sad to say, but all fans, you know, they
want to talk proper and do the say the politically
your correct thing. But in the end of the day,

(01:46:54):
they don't care about nothing. They'd love to see somebody
getting beating day. I want to watch it. No, but
sometimes you know, people get turned off and go like, go,
well he can't. You said he can't beat him, So
I'm really gonna pay one hundred dollars to watch him
get beat up rob I'm gonna take Rober. I'm gonna
tell you this Wilder Wilder does have He has that
big right hand, and he loves to talk, so don't

(01:47:16):
worry about that. Here'll talk. People want to believe he
got a shot, so they want to tune in justice
that he wasn't a talker. If he wasn't somebody who
stand up there and tell you what's happening and what's
gonna happen this time or whatever, and people he wouldn't.
He wouldn't seem scared to somebody else. He won't be
he won't seem scared to anybody, so people are gonna
tune him to see if he if it's possible, he
can do what he says he's gonna do. John Grace,

(01:47:38):
thank you. He appreciate the knowledge and we'll talk soon,
brother anytime. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, It is
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(01:47:59):
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(01:48:21):
in the world of sports. Remember to come correct. It's
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All right, let's get to it. Let's start with Patrick

(01:48:42):
in North Carolina. Patrick, Welcome, to the eye couple, who
you're trashing? Hey, fellas, let's get this started tonight. I
am trashing. Don't a wilder? You know you talked on
you talked on how you're gonna drop the Alabama hammer
on Tyson Fury and what happened Tyson Fury? Equip trip
but Fury Gay? You a boxing lesson, as Randy Moss says,
come on, man, stop the excuses except you got beat

(01:49:05):
by a better fighter and get back into the gym
and learn how to boxing. Maybe you can redeem yourself
if you can. Man, all right, how about Dwight in Austin, Texas.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports. Ready, who
are you trashing? Hey? This is this is this trash
goes out to the Hayden Rob Parker excuse you, yes, sir,

(01:49:28):
let's check us out, Rob Parker. Man, you sound like
an immature feel grader when it comes to Hayden on
Lebron unnecessary Hayden. Every time his name comes up, Man,
it's like you go out your way to hate. It's
it's almost like you want the guy to fail so bad,
so bad. You want the Clippers to beat the Lakers
so bad. Oh, my god, your panties be all in

(01:49:49):
a bunch man, check us out, Chris. I listened to
this show because of Chris Brusaud. Okay, because he has
the bones in the structure. Mike drop and I'm out you.
I'm surprise he didn't throw in the POOPOOKI I'm the
poopoo king. All right, let's go with a mirror in Philadelphia.

(01:50:09):
Mirror who you're trashing? That last guy stole much thunder
but I'm gonna give him thanks. I'm trash. And Rob
Parker because his hypocrisy. He loved Hay, but he loved KD.
Chris the KD has been on the record for blaming
his former players for not being able to see it
a deal and he took the easy, easy way out

(01:50:29):
to join the championship squad and Rod Clancy hates players
to do that. And he says Lebron can't hit clutch freethos,
but he loved Kauhi and Kawha missed the freethos that
left the refrigerator open in rayalitis to save Lebron's bacon.
And then yesterday he said Lebron always passes in the clutch,
but he hasn't worked, Tims and Mike and Kobe can't win. Chris.

(01:50:51):
If he makes one, it's the I T. And if
he's passing it, oh my god, is that a man?
Is glad of mirs? Off my back? Chris? He always
was trashing me, Chris, Chris Rod like to go up
the eyeps and field. Don't ever remember we're type from
Steph Curry over eight steps because Phil would tell you

(01:51:13):
that Steph Curry would make it because he's a great shooter.
Wait a minute, I thought you, my guy. We are
officially done a mire. Do not calling you excellent? You
go ahead. You moved over to Chris Broussard. I will
have nothing to do with the Mia from Philadelphia. Let's
go to Mace. You know fire is about to come

(01:51:35):
from San Diego. Mason, san Diego, who you're trashing? Former
NFL referee Walt Coleman, the man solely responsible for ruining
the NFL by blowing the most obvious call in the
history of football, the tuck rule. What the hell are
you thinking? That was clearly a fundle This box call
changed the course of the NFL forever. If this call

(01:51:57):
it's never made. The Patriots lose Drew Bledsoe becomes a
starter next year because he was a highest paid quarterback
in the league, and most importantly, Tom Brady aka the
Lots would eventually be out of the NFL coaching youth football,
the y MCA and flipping burgers at McDonald's. You're opened up,
Tan Doris Box for this organization and giving them the

(01:52:18):
opportunities to cheat to win championships. Thanks a lot, Walt,
I hope you're enjoying retirement. I think you spend all
your time with Don Denkinger, the first base umpired blew
an obvious call him in nineteen eighty five World Serious
with the Cardinals and Royals and the NBA referee who
gambled and rigged games. Tim donneghe wamn mazing. Mace has

(01:52:38):
a file cabinets. Hey, our intern Ryan wants to get
involved and we'll get back to some more. You called,
but Ryan, who are you trash? And I'll intern, guys.
I gotta even things out today in trash Chris Bruce,
Oh wow, wow, I gotta admit you got gumption. All right.
Let me give this Chris Lebron over Kobe in the clutch.

(01:53:02):
I just I gotta disagree Lebron has only won three
titles out of eight and who made those clutch shots.
Ray Allen in the in the Huge Championship hit that
clutch shot and Kyrie Irving hit the clutch shot in Cleveland.
Lebron doesn't have those three rings, which you should have
way more if he's so clutch. Kobe who the Lakers
go to if they need a bucket? They always went

(01:53:24):
to Kobe. So I'm trashing Chris Busha Ryan because I
like Ryan. I'm gonna let him live. I'm not gonna
go go but listing on you for believe I give.
I like your guts, I like your heart. Hey, look
at this one. Let's go to tea in Atlanta. T
who you trash? I like it? Yes, yes, sir, I've
been waiting for this day, says Friday. I'm tryingsh talking

(01:53:46):
Rob Gloom about eight TL basketball. Look. Number one, I've
been watching Bob till Dominique was in the Omni. I
saw the hollist every time were coming down and do something.
Number One, Travis slink the jim. He the same dude
to him. Bill gonna state he know what he's doing. Atlanta, Chris,
she was right, We're a team up on the uprising.

(01:54:08):
Tray Young is a BUTTAFI star, number two in the
All Star Jimmy Buckets, and Eric Spolston was trying to
say trade and deserve to being started. Jimmy brother did.
That's why he gave a fifty piece right then. Then
Jimmy came at him on Twitter and trade like I
ain't on punk, so he deserved to go back at

(01:54:29):
him because you came at him. Tray didn't come at him.
He came and trade, so I ain't on punk. I'm
an oprising star. Hey, look, take away the Carl Roles,
take away the tattoos. Traders AI on steroids, not the
Hall of Famer, but he up coming. We're coming to
Atlanta and we're building it. Forget y'all on that one.
When there was something in Atlanta waked me up. Y'all

(01:54:51):
choked out the Super Bowl. Y'all had a baseball team
that won fifteen divisions in a row. I ain't but
you lost two hockey teams. He I ain't buying Atlanta.
Atlanta's the worst sports town in America. How much time
we got time for anymore? We got? We got thirty seconds?
Richard go ahead. Who you're trashing from West Virginia. Oh,

(01:55:11):
trash talk, Michael Johnson, We're not going into details. Funny
said that Kobe gave us all great advice. I don't
know where that stuff comes from. I mean, he was
a great basketball player, no doubt about it. But what
does that mean he gave us all great advice? You
need to go into details. Magic, all right, Richard getting specific?

(01:55:32):
All right? All right, guys, thank you for participating. It
was a good trash Yeah, no, very lively. A lot
of different people was great. It's one of our favorite segments,
no doubt about it. Yeah. We like to hear you guys,
and you know you hear us talking the three hours,
so we like to give you an opportunity and I'll
push him back. That's right. Even Rob G got Alex
was spared to. Is Rob G skinning that thick? You

(01:55:57):
think enough your skin think enough Robs you can handle that.
You don't want to be. You see how quiet he is.
He's done. I couple with thee y'all to marrow pass

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