June 12, 2026 • 30 mins
Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington break down one of the wildest finishes of the NBA Finals as the Knicks take a stunning 3–1 series lead after a miracle shot from OG and a dramatic Spurs collapse in Game 4.
Kelvin gives major credit to New York for battling back from a tough deficit and delivering in clutch moments, calling it a statement performance on the biggest stage.
But when Rob joins the conversation, he pushes back hard, arguing the story isn’t Knicks greatness, but a Spurs meltdown that handed the game away.
Was this a signature Knicks comeback… or an all-time collapse by San Antonio? The guys go head-to-head and don’t hold back.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we getting Rob up set all up here
from New York. So Brandon, now that I told you
I don't want that. I told you Rob, we'll get
him going here in second I was wrong, big wrong, Rob.
While we're getting aim in I'm just started here, Brandon,
you were here obviously yesterday, and we're watching this game
and the Spurs are on fire. They put up a
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seventy six piece in the first half. It just was
absolutely looking like the Knicks were on the other side
of that beat down they did against the Hawks in
the first round of the playoffs, and you're thinking, like, man,
is this dude? Are they getting a taste of their
own medicine? But then all of a sudden, they start
inching closer, they start making some places, they start making
some magic happen. And I'll start here, at what point
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am I am? Just who I am? At what point
is a spade a spade? At what point have I
shown you enough that you actually start to believe in me?
And I know we've had kind of two conversations over
the last twelve hours or plus sixteen hours or so
since that game ended, and everybody just going crazy off
that Nick win.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Coming back from twenty nine down. But I look at
it like this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
On one half of that cup, you're gonna say, oh,
the Spurs collapse, the Spurs choked. The Spurs, you know
they failed, That's what they did. And to an extent,
I understand that you're you're up twenty nine points, You're
supposed to win that game, right, that should be yours.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's in the bag.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But on the other end, Brandon, I ask you this,
how many times do I have to prove you and
show you that this is what I do?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And this is what the Knicks have done.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And in order for an avalanche to actually happen, you
have to have heat. Something has to heat that rock up,
that ice, that snow for that to melt, in order
for it to be a mud slider collapse or the Spurs.
Something got to bring the rain. Right, the rain has
to happen, and the Knicks rained on them. And this
is what I mean. The Knicks have proven to us
over the last few playoffs, but specifically last year in
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this year, that this is what they do. They don't wilt,
they don't quit, They're gonna show up. Two times the
first two games of the series against Boston last year
in the twenty twenty five playoffs on the road down
twenty twenty plus. They come back and win both of
those games on the road, Brandon, and then you say, okay,
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without a fluke the Celtic chew twenty three's blah blah blah.
But what do they do the next series Eastern Commas
Finals against the Pacers on the road down twenty plus,
They come back and win that game. Okay, Then you
turn around and get to where we are in this
series in the finals. There's been four games played in
the Finals thus far. Every single one of those games
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the Knicks have been down double digits. But let's go
back before that, twenty two down vers the Cavs in
Game one of the Eastern Commas Finals. What do they do?
They win that game seven and a half left. They
win that game seven and a half minutes left. They
come back and win that game. So there's a mindset,
there's a will, and there's a a they better not
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let us get to twenty fifteen. I know it better
not be ninety nine to ninety And that's when I'm like, Okay,
they're gonna win this thing. They're still down nine. It's
like three plus left. But we've seen this book before,
We've read this book, We've seen this story, and that's
exactly what the Knicks did. Now, again, that doesn't absolve
the Spurs from bad turnovers. That has observed the spurs
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from some bad coaching. I mean, Mitch Johnson. I don't
know if I'm looking at miss Johnson or for Kenny Atkinson.
What's up with this holding on the timeout things that
these coaches are doing. When the Knicks going to thirteen
ohd run, you might want to use the time out.
When the Knicks go to twenty twenty to four run,
you might want to use one. There's untimely turnovers. They
have two in the first half. They get nine turnovers.
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But I'm not gonna discredit the Knicks for stepping up
contesting those threes. They're out there, they're playing, they're closing
out on those shots. They're making their shots, and it
we'll get to a little bit later on and show
the coaching adjustments.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I love what Mike Brown was able to do.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And one of the big keys was putting in Alvarado
because that's a change of pace. That's another ball handler,
a guy who can say Brunton look they've been playing
you great ninety four feet castles on you, bumping you.
They got big wings bringing another ball handleers, so it's
not all on you. I love that. So the Spurs
absolutely or a part of this. That's why I brought
the avalanche. It's not just gonna collapse on its own.
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You gotta have some heat. The Knicks brought the heat.
They brought the rain creating that month' slide. But the
Spurs absolutely played a part in this, And that's been
my whole thing when I've been talking to this about
rob The Spurs are a fantastic team.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You don't win sixty plus games.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You don't jump from thirty whatever it was to sixty
on your own, I mean without without being good. Here's
my thing. Have to have experience, and the Knicks have
been on the other side of that. They gave up
a fourteen point lead with two and a half minutes
left last year to the Pacers. So the Knicks have
both been on the other side of epic collapses where
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my co host was screaming for Mike Ti or TIB's
job right, saying, TIB's gotta go you you lose that game.
And I understand that they've been on the other side
of winning those games. And that's my only thing when
I was talking about this a rouble. That's why I
pick the Knicks and seven. I thought it was gonna
be a long series. Thought it'd be a tough series
for the Knicks, but ultimately experience and the Spurs don't
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have that experience. Because you have to gain experience, you
have to learn, you have to get your bumps and
your bruises, and that's what the Spurs are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Let's walk back. What happened in Game one? Spurs were
up fourteen, Spurs up fourteen, feeling good, We got it going.
You lose.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Wemby is terrible, right, terrible, inefficient six to twenty one.
You gotta go through that. What happens in game two?
They're up again, up big, up, double digits. All of
a sudden, Winby freaks out, turns the ball over. Okay,
that happens. What do you do immediately after? Files Brunson.
That's a couple of free throws. He misses this one.
But I'm saying, you give up a couple of free
throws and then last second shot. It's not a great play,
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but hey, it's a clean look, you miss it. Those
are your Kobe Bryant airball moments in Utah. You gotta
go through that. You gotta learn and experience is the
only you have to fail in order to get it.
And that's what the Spurs are going through against a
team Monty that has been through it three season now,
fifty plus wins and Nixon keeps inching closer. Last year's
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seven games with the Pacers, all of us are the
PACER's doing it about to go to the finals. Where
did that come from? And so they've gained that experience.
You had a twenty two year old superstar, twenty one
year old star in Castle, twenty year old Dylan Harper,
and they're just going through their bumps and bruises, they're
taking their lumps, and you have to understand they're turning
the ball over. Mitch Johnson is not exolved from learning this.
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By the way, a thirty eight, thirty nine year old
coach has to get experienced Monty. He can't just all
of a sudden be Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm with you, He's got to go.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Through this right. He's not using his timeouts. I hate
how he's using Dylan Harper.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He doesn't know what to do with him.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Lee on the bench. So he's like game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We all know he shouldn't Game two.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
He doesn't play in the last second half.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
What was the game he didn't play in the second half?
It was a game one game?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It was a Game one. He doesn't play in the
last whatever minutes. Last night, Dylan Harper doesn't get a
shot for ten minutes and he was their hottest player
dad like twenty one points. But that again, I'm a
young coach. I'm trying to figure he's Oh, he's a
bench player. Do I playing Mormon? Do I play him? Like?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
How do I?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
When you got the mold?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And Manu Jenovli being your example, Yeah, technically Manu was
not a starter, but he closed games, played big minutes, played,
made the big plays. And to me, Dylan Harper, while young,
is that type of guy. But again, miss Johnson is
learning this in real peat. So absolutely, the spurs wilted collapse.
Felt the pressure right in order for that pipe to burst,
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the knicks have to bring that pressure agree And that's.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
My only thing. And I know whenever I've done this
for Rob he would scream it was a collapse. It
was a choked.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I've had nothing to do with the Knicks, had nothing
to do with the other teams we've done it in football,
had nothing to do with that team.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They just choked.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I don't always subscribe to that, because Mike Brown
could have easily said, I'm throwing in the towel, it's over.
We'll get him in next game, right, Why waste these minutes?
Someone could get injured. Brunch again gets he's tired. Let's
just know he'd seen. I know this team. We've multiple
times now this year, multiple times last year when he
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wasn't the coach with tips. They've come back, They're resilient.
You got a bunch of champions on that team. Ogn
Andobi is a champion. We forget that with the Raptors.
You got it off. You got other guys who've won,
in some cases multiple championships in college. They're gonna compete
to the end. And again that's what I witnessed. I
saw a team, not Wilter, that stayed the course, that
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kept looking at us, Man, if we can just chip
away here, we can ship away here. And the Spurs
this is the other thing too. How many times have
we sat here and said Celtics Orlando Magic. You might
want to stop chucking up threes. You're incredibly hot. Set
at all time record fourteen threes in the first half.
You ain't hitting twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And they shot him way too quickly too.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Twelve times they shot threes with ten seconds or more
on the shot clock left. Your ally is the clock right?
You're trying to utilize that, you're trying.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
To have We know that. It just didn't seem like
they knew that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Neither did Cleveland. Kenny Atkinson, it was the same thing.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, first of all, Kenny Atkinson was here say that
they fatty just fail and the Spurs just won.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The Spurs are.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Four and oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They swept the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
According to Kenny Atkinson, what an analytical series we won.
This is amazing and the Spurs just continue to win
championships because they just won. Acording to Kenny Akinson, that's
what he would say. You got a team that's been
up every single game by double digits, they win this series.
According to Kenny Atkinson, Yeah, who still has timeouts in
his pockets right now.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Most of my timeline, most of my feet also is
saying that the Spurs choked. And I understand that train
of thought, and I understand why we are saying that,
but I'm with you where it's like, where is the
credit to what the Knicks did, to what the Knicks
continue to do?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
As you said, they didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Have to play that second half the way the Spurs
were shooting the lights out even if you thought it's
gonna come back to reality.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Manzi, what did what did the Timberwolves? Brandon? What did
the Timberwolves do at eight nine minutes left?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And was over there?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, we just saw that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We've seen coaches make the decision to go. Just wasn't
our night. Hey's tied up to two wipe our hands,
Slans zero zero, the best of the three.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Here we go, baby.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
No. But when I got a team that continuously has
proven they can get it done, they can win. And
again I'm not an idiot. I know the Spurs turn
the ball, Fox makes some big turnovers. Castle makes some
big turnover the sideline. Wemby was absolutely atrocious the second half.
I think it was five for thirteen. I have to
get it up exactly. Think he was five for thirteen
second and looked tired. He was three out of fourteen,
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three out of fourteen, I'm sorry, three out of fourteen.
Even worse, he misses two key free throws he's got
and those three throws weren't close.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He's gas, Miss Johnson.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Only remember that was that stretch where he only set
him for fifty eight seconds. He thought he was going
and Richard Jefferson called it out during the game. I
think Legs did as well. He's like, all right, well,
how they're gonna was standing with Wimby's under Ben comes
right back in the game because Miss Johnson freaking out.
I've seen this collapse before. I've seen this Knicks team
come back before. I'm not gonna keep Winby out. So
I think Wemby's gassed. The dude didn't play hardly in
(11:14):
the last season with the blood clot He's going through
it this year. Seven game series and you got to
learn these things, right, How do I rest him? Win
to rest? He plays forty something minutes. He hasn't even
he's been playing thirty all.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Season, and everybody wants to blame Mitch Johnson, like that's
the popular thing, like, oh, let's fire him, you know,
but the guy got to the finals his first year.
I think it's more testament to the Knicks. They're the
only team. They're so unique in NBA history to go.
They have an over five hundred record, like it, five
and three, Yeah, down twenty plus and watch this.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I'm gonna ask you, and I'm asking you Moncey. As
a Knicks are chipping away and having Brunson and having closer,
You're like, they can win this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of course, Brandon, did you not think the same thing I.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Told Monzi when they were when it was a twelve
point game, I was like, next gonna come back and win.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I hate this. I was getting mad why because before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That he said it was over because the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Never did I never call my boy out.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And I told this year, I said, I said, Ephraim,
the Spurs shot incredibly hot. I said, if they not
even shoot poorly just forty two percent, not bad the
second half and the Knicks do what they've done before,
this can be a game.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And I told that's why I texted Will say, hey,
we saw this, but again nine turnovers and not just
nine turna vers, because I told you had eleven turnovers
and again it's not bad. That's not horrible if you're
the Spurs. It's when they occurred. It's chucking up the threes.
And my last point, it's Mitt Johnson. It's Wimby not
knowing where a bucket is. Wemby still hasn't learned that
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we need a bucket. We're bleeding right now. I can
get this one. I know where that spoted. Kobe knew
exactly where to go. The team knew exactly where to go.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Where.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It doesn't matter if he's made no shots in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He exactly what I mean. Tracey McGrady knew how to
get a bucket. Others as well, and so again, the
Spurs absolutely started to fall apart. But I'm not gonna
single sit up here and act like the Knicks aren't
a team that we do this repeatedly as well. All right,
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We're here from you, We're here from Rob too. Rob
will jump in here.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I was wrong, and Rob said the Spurs we're not
gonna lose another game. So I know he was all
the baby oiled up, feeling good. What did I tell you?
They smacking the.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Knicks you want to know. It's a sad part that
I'm not even a sports fan, but I'll give you
a take. The fact that Fox at the last of
that game right there, tried to shoot that up so quickly.
And you're an eight year veteran, Bro. When you talk
about having no game or heart, it's simple to say, like,
the Knicks want to win in.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Don't tease our four thirty or seven thirty at the east.
This is exactly where it is. This is another stat
that helps his argument. I know we're about to go
to break, but twenty twenty six Knicks are two and
oh NBA team record went trailed by twenty plus points
in the fourth quarter of a playoff game since nineteen
ninety seven, Knicks are two and oh and twenty twenty six.
Rest of the NBA three and seven hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
D phone lines will lit up, Rob.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What we'll do is, Rob, we want to get your
thoughts on the game, and then we'll swing back on
the calls on the other side of MONTI here in
just a bit, so just to rehash for me, Rob,
I you know me, looking at this game, I thought
the Knicks absolutely came in and stole this thing and
to have a history of it. We have a track
record of them winning twenty being down twenty plus games,
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there's only happened three times out of seven hundred and
sometimes they got two of them. They did it last
year multiple times down twenty. Me and you talked about this,
the Celtics chucking up all those threes Game one and
two on the road. The Knicks come back twenty two
down to the cast. They come back seven and a half.
Life They've also been on the other side what you said,
fire TIBs give up fourteen and they're up fourteen to
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two and a half. They've been on the side of collapsing.
All of that yields to experience, all of that yels
to man keep inching away.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And the Spurs. That's been my knock on the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I think they're great to you know, I mentioned that,
but I just think the lack of inexperience and it
keeps showing rob every game they've been up by double digits.
Speaker 9 (15:09):
Told I totally disagree with your analysis of what happened
totally because you just said it. It is a common denominator,
which is always teams with big leads continuing to shoot threes.
The Celtics lost the game seven at home. That's what
they did. They missed nine straight threes. When the Spurs
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were up twenty five points, they shot nine straight threes
and didn't make one of them. Again, that's where you
open the door. This is a collapse. Yes, the Knicks
walked through the door. They won the game. But if
you don't think this is a choke job, one of
the biggest in the history of the NBA, and the
Spurs were the ones who gave this gift wrap this
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game to the Knicks, you're crazy because you talk about experience.
Dearon Fox? Is he a twenty year old gotten to
the league? Dan Fox?
Speaker 10 (16:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, okay, so he's a veteran in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Right.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
You get the rebound of a loose ball and there's
under ten there's ten seconds to go.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What do you do, Kelvin? What do you do?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
He says, I was trying to put the team up
by three. No, the Knicks have to foul you. You
dribble around the clock as much time off as you can.
You make your free throws. You don't go to the basket.
That's a veteran making that move. Wimby let them down.
He missed two free throws. That was huge during that
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collapse there. Wimby did the right thing and trying to
guard Jalen Brunson. I believe that if Wimby wasn't out
there to try to defend that shot that would have
went in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It was just short right.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Wmby was out there and the Knicks got a once
in a lifetime tipping that could have gone either way.
If he chips that ball and it doesn't go in,
That's not the conversation you're having. You're having a conversation
of how did the Knicks, how did they come into
the Spurs and even put that on to be in
a position to get back to even the series. So, yes,
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the Knicks did what they were supposed to do once
the door was open, and they made their shots, and
this is what happens. But if you can look at
their coaching staff and think that the coaches and the
blame and the play, are you kidding me? Like this
is textbook. We've seen it over and over and over again.
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When the Knicks came back in those games you're talking
about the Boston Celtics missed seventy five out of one
hundred and three pointers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Live by the three, die by the three.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
And if you're the Spurs and you're coaching, you got
to say, we shot the lights out in the first half.
They're not going down in the second half. We need
a new game plan. They were in the bonus in
the fourth quarter. Attack the basket, get free throws, get
points out of it. All you have to do is
stop the Knicks from putting together a ten or twelve
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point run by getting free throws, by getting to the basket.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
This is elementary basketball.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
All the former players and people I talk to today all said,
are you kidding me? They've never seen anything like this,
because none of it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And that just doesn't none of it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So what I said, Rob was never that to come
back from twenty nine to twenty eighteen. The other team
he the team that was up, absolutely has to have
some boneheaded plays, right, that's going.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You can't just come back from twenty nine. I'm just
my my biggest thing.
Speaker 9 (18:36):
You're talking about the young team and the guy who
made the biggest blunder. Remember it's a one point game,
ten seconds and you have the ball. Seriously, No, that's
the that's that's the game. You just secured the ball
underneath the Knicks basket, right you haven't.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You just got the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean you get still he gets to steal, he
goes down and and he and his mine is faster
than everybody he's been probably.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
No, no, that's not that's not winning.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I'm not saying that. I'm talking about his mind. You
played basketball. That that is the dumbest player I've ever seen. Dumbest,
but he's supposed to. That's and that's to me that
I'm dumbest player anybody looking at that and thinking about
that game. Feil on the Aaron Foxes, Absolutely, that's ridiculous
to me. And that's why it again, I don't like
when people, oh, they're just simply on the the the
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Spurs because Mike Brown puts in Alvarado who normally would
not be getting these crunch time minutes, and he changes
the complexity of the game. He hits eight key shots,
two threes, and he does that Bob coosy looking layup.
He plays good defense and he also really none of that.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
But none of that, none of that matters because it
does and no, it does make it shots, No, it
does make it. No, it doesn't It doesn't matter if
the Spurs just played not exceptional basketball. You get it.
You are on fire in the first half. You have
to understand that stuff balances out. No one's gonna shoot
that well the entire game. That's where coaching comes in.
(20:05):
This is the coach the team. Does a team ever
do that?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Because every time you tell me the so and so coaching,
I need to fire that coach because who loses that
type of game? Because I told you about last year,
didn't I tell you about did not tell you about Johnson?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes I would, Yes I would.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So everyonebody get fired. I'm saying your team, you can't coach.
You can't coach. You can't mean, can't.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Coach, can't coach.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is no, no, no, and edit that's been my
whole point to you can't coach, but you showing how
inexperience they are.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, no, no, no. The game.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
I think I think that sometimes the difference between me
and you is you really think a fourteen point lead
in the first half of an NBA game means you're
gonna win the game?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
That's nothing, Yes, you want you keep talking about. I
think they had they had.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
A fourteen point lead in the first half and they
lost that game fourteen points in for the.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Next half point multiple games by I'm talking about that game.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
I'm talking about the game you're talking about that They
gave up Game one because they were up by fourteen
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
They gave that game up.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They had to open the turnover and con missed the
file and missus a shot to win.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He missed the shot.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They are two shots away from being up three to
one shot because the shot.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Wilby makes that shot.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
And if and if they hold on to the ball
and don't don't go to the back, You're gonna give
you two ways.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
They're giving you two plays, two not a thousand plays.
I'm giving you two delays in and say will And
that was another.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That was another.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Ridiculous thing that I ever heard. Who's gonna throw the
toweling on the NBA Finals game? On an NBA Finals game,
give Melvin, tell me give me the NBA Finals game
where a coach through the toweling. You must be crazy.
You ain't never seen that in your life. Give me
the No, give me the NBA Finals game when you're
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at home with three quarters to go on two quarters
and you're.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Gonna do we'll get it back.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
No you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I know you're not.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
They can win the Dame a track no way in
the world, so way, so shut of here with the
Spurs quaze.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So the Spurs crazy talk. So the Spurs, who actually
give me an.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Example of a coach would quit and an NBA Finals
game at home absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Going the road, absolutely kill. You can't give me will
so called off the doors. We can't win this game
my hands nothing. Let's quit once it isn't finally efficient
making much shot? Oh g Nanobe is an incredible thirty
something points on a crazy efficiency game as well. You
get al Alvarado who plays incredible minutes. You still turning whatever.
They get knocked the dogs, you get out the doors.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
In the NBA Finals game when I heard that, I
threw up in my mouth twice.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He Fox doesn't miss that. Anonobe blocks that shot, but
he doesn't get any credit. So everything is on this.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Show you the file that was on that play too.
Can I show you that you got the picture you
want me?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
If you talk about that far, I'm just saying no,
I'm just out show it to you.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Put it to me, all right, rob, Let's get us
some calls. Real quick. All right, Tony in DC, you're
on Neon Couple Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tony?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
So it's good. Two quick points here, Rob, I'm with
you that dearon Fox played with Soul Gregious Richard Jefferson,
Legler and Mike Brain didn't even say something about it
because I think they were in shock that he shot
the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Does that even make sense? What basketball?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And my second point is the most egregious part with
Wimby is he plays on one of the franchises with
two of the greatest big men in history. You can't
tell me since the moment he set foot on American soil,
they have not been working with him for a go
to move. At moments like that. Wimby is soft. He
should have been like, look, I'm going down here giving
the ball in this spot and I'm going to do
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what I do. But when he gets the ball, unless
he's catching the oop, he's really soft with it. So
he doesn't I mean, he doesn't have the faith in
himself to go to the post because I saw him
back in the threes and that's unsatisfactory.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
All right, Tony, thanks for the call, appreciate it. I
guess to chime in here, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, even when you you're out the blue collars.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Even look, I told you. I always told you guys,
I'll listen to your show. I love to show. I'm
a fan. Uh not only you know, a contributor, but Rob,
you're absolutely right, and sometimes it pains me to say this.
You're absolutely right. That play that the Aaron Fox made
is probably the worst basketball play in the history of bast.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Thank you you play basketball.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I do play basketball. Come on to basketball. I'm coaching
twelve year olds. And what I've lost a championship game
when we were up by two points and had the
ball with twenty seconds left, and my point guard came
down and shot at three and air balled it. There
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was no shot clock. We didn't have to do anything
but hold the ball and crazed him, and he shot
the ball and airballed and we end up losing that game.
You never give the team an opportunity. It was eleven
seconds left when he stole the ball. If he just
runs around, he's going to burn at least four or
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five seconds off the clock. That means he goes to
the free throw line up by one with four or
five seconds left in the gun period.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Come on, he's supposed to Bob Coozy that. I don't
argue that, but everybody acting like that was the game is.
That's my argument. Nobody's questing. I said, in real time
at home by myself, why.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
If he does that?
Speaker 9 (25:48):
If he if he does that, that is the play
that kills you. Because you're talking about how young they are.
He's not a young player.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, no, no lose in Sacramento. He played basketball. That's basketball.
That ain't got nothing to do with no final.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Kelvin Kelvin de Aaron Fox has been an All Pro
basketball player.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Come on, dude, listen.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
As a starter on that team, you can't make that play.
And on top of that, I'm not letting miss Johnson
off the off the hook. Shame on him. You listen
and I'll let you guys have the showback. But they've
been They were up by twenty or more points for
seventy to eighty percent of that game. Victor Wiben Yama
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played forty four minutes. How is that even a thing?
Why would you play your star? You were up by
twenty or more points eighty percent of a basketball game?
Why would you rest him? For four minutes. That is
the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And
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that is why these things, that's why they're down three
to one. I appreciate you guys. You guys take it
away all right now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I don't know if you were able to hear the
first segment. That's what I was saying. I said that
he put him out for fifty eight seconds. He goes
have a seat, and then all of a sudden they
start making a run. He goes, wait, get back in,
and I mentioned that we know, we talked about it.
Blood cut last year, only playing thirty minutes this year,
Winby is todd and he needed those rests, He needed
those minutes. And again, Mitt Johnson doesn't know what he's
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doing right now. He's trying to figure this thing out
in real time and it's backfired on him.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Fill up and they'll PASSO. You're in the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
Phill up, what's up, everybody? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What's up? Philip Good? What's up? Buddy going good?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (27:48):
Do you all remember you guys, remember before the season started,
when the Knicks were looking for a new coach and
everybody was making fun of him because they were bringing
everybody through that door and they couldn't make a decision. Yes,
and now the Knicks are laughing because Mike Brown is
exactly what that team needed. And the San Antonio Spurs
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need a Mike Brown. I'm not saying that Mitch Johnson
isn't going to learn and be a good coach, but
he is totally getting out coached right now. And that's
what a young team that's developing like the Spurs, they
need a veteran coach, a voice that they all respect
and learn from on the fly, because that guy's been
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there before.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I would, I would, I.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Would, I would fire, I would fire.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
That should have never happened of the day. You guys
shouldn't even be playing that right.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Now, right Hey, thanks for the call. We appreciate it. Yeah,
that's Mike rob all right, got you?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You just how you who makes who's allowed to make
a mistake? Is what I'm asking to you.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
It's not it's not about making a mistake. It's about
the same thing happening over and over. I've seen firsthand.
Ricola was a coach of the Pistons. He didn't make
any stakes. They got a chance to upgrade with a
more experience, better coach at the time. At the time, No,
he can get it, but not with Wemby and not
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with that team. There's no way you should be here
and losing games. If you lose because you're not good enough,
that's one thing. Let's get a cart. Can we squeeze
in another one? Kevin in Culver City, you're in the
odd couple.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Up all the time.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
I'm with Rob Kelvin, just let me have the floor.
I know you're right, you picked the Knicks, but this
slide flat on Mitch Johnson. Having these guys shoot eighth
stank you.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Not going to the basket.
Speaker 12 (29:41):
And Dianne Fox, look, you played basketball at high level. Kelvin,
you play point guard. You know good and damn well
with the clock.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Winding down, thank you all out and you get fouled
nobly one of the best shot blockers if you fit
the players in the league, he's gonna come and contest
the shot. Yes, either gonna follow you or you're gonna
You're gonna run the clockdown for him to not recognize
being the youngest og bet on the team that you.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
Gotta take the clock down at that point to get
that ball back and secure it. It's just beyond me.
And it was a dumb move and it was a
dumb play. And Kobe Bryant, anybody shack would have checked
him in the locker room after that played. Now they
got two games in front of him when we could
do something about it. Maybe they can make this a
series and win it and we won't hear about it.
But they had an opportunity to win that game.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
That's on Jann Fox for not binding that clockdown and
making a bone at play.
Speaker 12 (30:33):
This team was up by twenty one.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Wait wait, wait, wait, I can't disagree with you. He
shouldn't have shot. I'll completely get that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
But all I'm saying is Whenby is your superstar, mits
Johnson's your coach. We love Castle, we love Harper and
all these other guys, but all of a sudden, it's
that one single play. That's the only issue I have
when everybody keeps saying that
All right, we getting Rob up set all up here
from New York. So Brandon, now that I told you
I don't want that. I told you Rob, we'll get
him going here in second I was wrong, big wrong, Rob.
While we're getting aim in I'm just started here, Brandon,
you were here obviously yesterday, and we're watching this game
and the Spurs are on fire. They put up a
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seventy six piece in the first half. It just was
absolutely looking like the Knicks were on the other side
of that beat down they did against the Hawks in
the first round of the playoffs, and you're thinking, like, man,
is this dude? Are they getting a taste of their
own medicine? But then all of a sudden, they start
inching closer, they start making some places, they start making
some magic happen. And I'll start here, at what point
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am I am? Just who I am? At what point
is a spade a spade? At what point have I
shown you enough that you actually start to believe in me?
And I know we've had kind of two conversations over
the last twelve hours or plus sixteen hours or so
since that game ended, and everybody just going crazy off
that Nick win.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Coming back from twenty nine down. But I look at
it like this.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
On one half of that cup, you're gonna say, oh,
the Spurs collapse, the Spurs choked. The Spurs, you know
they failed, That's what they did. And to an extent,
I understand that you're you're up twenty nine points, You're
supposed to win that game, right, that should be yours.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
It's in the bag.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
But on the other end, Brandon, I ask you this,
how many times do I have to prove you and
show you that this is what I do?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And this is what the Knicks have done.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And in order for an avalanche to actually happen, you
have to have heat. Something has to heat that rock up,
that ice, that snow for that to melt, in order
for it to be a mud slider collapse or the Spurs.
Something got to bring the rain. Right, the rain has
to happen, and the Knicks rained on them. And this
is what I mean. The Knicks have proven to us
over the last few playoffs, but specifically last year in
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this year, that this is what they do. They don't wilt,
they don't quit, They're gonna show up. Two times the
first two games of the series against Boston last year
in the twenty twenty five playoffs on the road down
twenty twenty plus. They come back and win both of
those games on the road, Brandon, and then you say, okay,
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without a fluke the Celtic chew twenty three's blah blah blah.
But what do they do the next series Eastern Commas
Finals against the Pacers on the road down twenty plus,
They come back and win that game. Okay, Then you
turn around and get to where we are in this
series in the finals. There's been four games played in
the Finals thus far. Every single one of those games
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the Knicks have been down double digits. But let's go
back before that, twenty two down vers the Cavs in
Game one of the Eastern Commas Finals. What do they do?
They win that game seven and a half left. They
win that game seven and a half minutes left. They
come back and win that game. So there's a mindset,
there's a will, and there's a a they better not
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let us get to twenty fifteen. I know it better
not be ninety nine to ninety And that's when I'm like, Okay,
they're gonna win this thing. They're still down nine. It's
like three plus left. But we've seen this book before,
We've read this book, We've seen this story, and that's
exactly what the Knicks did. Now, again, that doesn't absolve
the Spurs from bad turnovers. That has observed the spurs
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from some bad coaching. I mean, Mitch Johnson. I don't
know if I'm looking at miss Johnson or for Kenny Atkinson.
What's up with this holding on the timeout things that
these coaches are doing. When the Knicks going to thirteen
ohd run, you might want to use the time out.
When the Knicks go to twenty twenty to four run,
you might want to use one. There's untimely turnovers. They
have two in the first half. They get nine turnovers.
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But I'm not gonna discredit the Knicks for stepping up
contesting those threes. They're out there, they're playing, they're closing
out on those shots. They're making their shots, and it
we'll get to a little bit later on and show
the coaching adjustments.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I love what Mike Brown was able to do.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And one of the big keys was putting in Alvarado
because that's a change of pace. That's another ball handler,
a guy who can say Brunton look they've been playing
you great ninety four feet castles on you, bumping you.
They got big wings bringing another ball handleers, so it's
not all on you. I love that. So the Spurs
absolutely or a part of this. That's why I brought
the avalanche. It's not just gonna collapse on its own.
(04:14):
You gotta have some heat. The Knicks brought the heat.
They brought the rain creating that month' slide. But the
Spurs absolutely played a part in this, And that's been
my whole thing when I've been talking to this about
rob The Spurs are a fantastic team.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You don't win sixty plus games.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
You don't jump from thirty whatever it was to sixty
on your own, I mean without without being good. Here's
my thing. Have to have experience, and the Knicks have
been on the other side of that. They gave up
a fourteen point lead with two and a half minutes
left last year to the Pacers. So the Knicks have
both been on the other side of epic collapses where
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my co host was screaming for Mike Ti or TIB's
job right, saying, TIB's gotta go you you lose that game.
And I understand that they've been on the other side
of winning those games. And that's my only thing when
I was talking about this a rouble. That's why I
pick the Knicks and seven. I thought it was gonna
be a long series. Thought it'd be a tough series
for the Knicks, but ultimately experience and the Spurs don't
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have that experience. Because you have to gain experience, you
have to learn, you have to get your bumps and
your bruises, and that's what the Spurs are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Let's walk back. What happened in Game one? Spurs were
up fourteen, Spurs up fourteen, feeling good, We got it going.
You lose.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Wemby is terrible, right, terrible, inefficient six to twenty one.
You gotta go through that. What happens in game two?
They're up again, up big, up, double digits. All of
a sudden, Winby freaks out, turns the ball over. Okay,
that happens. What do you do immediately after? Files Brunson.
That's a couple of free throws. He misses this one.
But I'm saying, you give up a couple of free
throws and then last second shot. It's not a great play,
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but hey, it's a clean look, you miss it. Those
are your Kobe Bryant airball moments in Utah. You gotta
go through that. You gotta learn and experience is the
only you have to fail in order to get it.
And that's what the Spurs are going through against a
team Monty that has been through it three season now,
fifty plus wins and Nixon keeps inching closer. Last year's
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seven games with the Pacers, all of us are the
PACER's doing it about to go to the finals. Where
did that come from? And so they've gained that experience.
You had a twenty two year old superstar, twenty one
year old star in Castle, twenty year old Dylan Harper,
and they're just going through their bumps and bruises, they're
taking their lumps, and you have to understand they're turning
the ball over. Mitch Johnson is not exolved from learning this.
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By the way, a thirty eight, thirty nine year old
coach has to get experienced Monty. He can't just all
of a sudden be Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I'm with you, He's got to go.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Through this right. He's not using his timeouts. I hate
how he's using Dylan Harper.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
He doesn't know what to do with him.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Lee on the bench. So he's like game.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We all know he shouldn't Game two.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
He doesn't play in the last second half.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
What was the game he didn't play in the second half?
It was a game one game?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It was a Game one. He doesn't play in the
last whatever minutes. Last night, Dylan Harper doesn't get a
shot for ten minutes and he was their hottest player
dad like twenty one points. But that again, I'm a
young coach. I'm trying to figure he's Oh, he's a
bench player. Do I playing Mormon? Do I play him? Like?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
How do I?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
When you got the mold?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
And Manu Jenovli being your example, Yeah, technically Manu was
not a starter, but he closed games, played big minutes, played,
made the big plays. And to me, Dylan Harper, while young,
is that type of guy. But again, miss Johnson is
learning this in real peat. So absolutely, the spurs wilted collapse.
Felt the pressure right in order for that pipe to burst,
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the knicks have to bring that pressure agree And that's.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
My only thing. And I know whenever I've done this
for Rob he would scream it was a collapse. It
was a choked.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I've had nothing to do with the Knicks, had nothing
to do with the other teams we've done it in football,
had nothing to do with that team.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They just choked.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I don't always subscribe to that, because Mike Brown
could have easily said, I'm throwing in the towel, it's over.
We'll get him in next game, right, Why waste these minutes?
Someone could get injured. Brunch again gets he's tired. Let's
just know he'd seen. I know this team. We've multiple
times now this year, multiple times last year when he
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wasn't the coach with tips. They've come back, They're resilient.
You got a bunch of champions on that team. Ogn
Andobi is a champion. We forget that with the Raptors.
You got it off. You got other guys who've won,
in some cases multiple championships in college. They're gonna compete
to the end. And again that's what I witnessed. I
saw a team, not Wilter, that stayed the course, that
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kept looking at us, Man, if we can just chip
away here, we can ship away here. And the Spurs
this is the other thing too. How many times have
we sat here and said Celtics Orlando Magic. You might
want to stop chucking up threes. You're incredibly hot. Set
at all time record fourteen threes in the first half.
You ain't hitting twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And they shot him way too quickly too.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Twelve times they shot threes with ten seconds or more
on the shot clock left. Your ally is the clock right?
You're trying to utilize that, you're trying.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
To have We know that. It just didn't seem like
they knew that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Neither did Cleveland. Kenny Atkinson, it was the same thing.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, first of all, Kenny Atkinson was here say that
they fatty just fail and the Spurs just won.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The Spurs are.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Four and oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They swept the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
According to Kenny Atkinson, what an analytical series we won.
This is amazing and the Spurs just continue to win
championships because they just won. Acording to Kenny Akinson, that's
what he would say. You got a team that's been
up every single game by double digits, they win this series.
According to Kenny Atkinson, Yeah, who still has timeouts in
his pockets right now.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Most of my timeline, most of my feet also is
saying that the Spurs choked. And I understand that train
of thought, and I understand why we are saying that,
but I'm with you where it's like, where is the
credit to what the Knicks did, to what the Knicks
continue to do?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
As you said, they didn't.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Have to play that second half the way the Spurs
were shooting the lights out even if you thought it's
gonna come back to reality.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Manzi, what did what did the Timberwolves? Brandon? What did
the Timberwolves do at eight nine minutes left?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And was over there?
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah, we just saw that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
We've seen coaches make the decision to go. Just wasn't
our night. Hey's tied up to two wipe our hands,
Slans zero zero, the best of the three.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Here we go, baby.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
No. But when I got a team that continuously has
proven they can get it done, they can win. And
again I'm not an idiot. I know the Spurs turn
the ball, Fox makes some big turnovers. Castle makes some
big turnover the sideline. Wemby was absolutely atrocious the second half.
I think it was five for thirteen. I have to
get it up exactly. Think he was five for thirteen
second and looked tired. He was three out of fourteen,
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three out of fourteen, I'm sorry, three out of fourteen.
Even worse, he misses two key free throws he's got
and those three throws weren't close.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
He's gas, Miss Johnson.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Only remember that was that stretch where he only set
him for fifty eight seconds. He thought he was going
and Richard Jefferson called it out during the game. I
think Legs did as well. He's like, all right, well,
how they're gonna was standing with Wimby's under Ben comes
right back in the game because Miss Johnson freaking out.
I've seen this collapse before. I've seen this Knicks team
come back before. I'm not gonna keep Winby out. So
I think Wemby's gassed. The dude didn't play hardly in
(11:14):
the last season with the blood clot He's going through
it this year. Seven game series and you got to
learn these things, right, How do I rest him? Win
to rest? He plays forty something minutes. He hasn't even
he's been playing thirty all.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
Season, and everybody wants to blame Mitch Johnson, like that's
the popular thing, like, oh, let's fire him, you know,
but the guy got to the finals his first year.
I think it's more testament to the Knicks. They're the
only team. They're so unique in NBA history to go.
They have an over five hundred record, like it, five
and three, Yeah, down twenty plus and watch this.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I'm gonna ask you, and I'm asking you Moncey. As
a Knicks are chipping away and having Brunson and having closer,
You're like, they can win this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Of course, Brandon, did you not think the same thing I.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Told Monzi when they were when it was a twelve
point game, I was like, next gonna come back and win.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I hate this. I was getting mad why because before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That he said it was over because the Spurs.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Never did I never call my boy out.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
And I told this year, I said, I said, Ephraim,
the Spurs shot incredibly hot. I said, if they not
even shoot poorly just forty two percent, not bad the
second half and the Knicks do what they've done before,
this can be a game.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He was like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And I told that's why I texted Will say, hey,
we saw this, but again nine turnovers and not just
nine turna vers, because I told you had eleven turnovers
and again it's not bad. That's not horrible if you're
the Spurs. It's when they occurred. It's chucking up the threes.
And my last point, it's Mitt Johnson. It's Wimby not
knowing where a bucket is. Wemby still hasn't learned that
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we need a bucket. We're bleeding right now. I can
get this one. I know where that spoted. Kobe knew
exactly where to go. The team knew exactly where to go.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Where.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It doesn't matter if he's made no shots in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He exactly what I mean. Tracey McGrady knew how to
get a bucket. Others as well, and so again, the
Spurs absolutely started to fall apart. But I'm not gonna
single sit up here and act like the Knicks aren't
a team that we do this repeatedly as well. All right,
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
We're here from you, We're here from Rob too. Rob
will jump in here.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I was wrong, and Rob said the Spurs we're not
gonna lose another game. So I know he was all
the baby oiled up, feeling good. What did I tell you?
They smacking the.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Knicks you want to know. It's a sad part that
I'm not even a sports fan, but I'll give you
a take. The fact that Fox at the last of
that game right there, tried to shoot that up so quickly.
And you're an eight year veteran, Bro. When you talk
about having no game or heart, it's simple to say, like,
the Knicks want to win in.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Don't tease our four thirty or seven thirty at the east.
This is exactly where it is. This is another stat
that helps his argument. I know we're about to go
to break, but twenty twenty six Knicks are two and
oh NBA team record went trailed by twenty plus points
in the fourth quarter of a playoff game since nineteen
ninety seven, Knicks are two and oh and twenty twenty six.
Rest of the NBA three and seven hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
D phone lines will lit up, Rob.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What we'll do is, Rob, we want to get your
thoughts on the game, and then we'll swing back on
the calls on the other side of MONTI here in
just a bit, so just to rehash for me, Rob,
I you know me, looking at this game, I thought
the Knicks absolutely came in and stole this thing and
to have a history of it. We have a track
record of them winning twenty being down twenty plus games,
(14:29):
there's only happened three times out of seven hundred and
sometimes they got two of them. They did it last
year multiple times down twenty. Me and you talked about this,
the Celtics chucking up all those threes Game one and
two on the road. The Knicks come back twenty two
down to the cast. They come back seven and a half.
Life They've also been on the other side what you said,
fire TIBs give up fourteen and they're up fourteen to
(14:50):
two and a half. They've been on the side of collapsing.
All of that yields to experience, all of that yels
to man keep inching away.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And the Spurs. That's been my knock on the Spurs.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I think they're great to you know, I mentioned that,
but I just think the lack of inexperience and it
keeps showing rob every game they've been up by double digits.
Speaker 9 (15:09):
Told I totally disagree with your analysis of what happened
totally because you just said it. It is a common denominator,
which is always teams with big leads continuing to shoot threes.
The Celtics lost the game seven at home. That's what
they did. They missed nine straight threes. When the Spurs
(15:29):
were up twenty five points, they shot nine straight threes
and didn't make one of them. Again, that's where you
open the door. This is a collapse. Yes, the Knicks
walked through the door. They won the game. But if
you don't think this is a choke job, one of
the biggest in the history of the NBA, and the
Spurs were the ones who gave this gift wrap this
(15:51):
game to the Knicks, you're crazy because you talk about experience.
Dearon Fox? Is he a twenty year old gotten to
the league? Dan Fox?
Speaker 10 (16:02):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Oh, okay, so he's a veteran in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
Right.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
You get the rebound of a loose ball and there's
under ten there's ten seconds to go.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
What do you do, Kelvin? What do you do?
Speaker 9 (16:17):
He says, I was trying to put the team up
by three. No, the Knicks have to foul you. You
dribble around the clock as much time off as you can.
You make your free throws. You don't go to the basket.
That's a veteran making that move. Wimby let them down.
He missed two free throws. That was huge during that
(16:39):
collapse there. Wimby did the right thing and trying to
guard Jalen Brunson. I believe that if Wimby wasn't out
there to try to defend that shot that would have
went in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It was just short right.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
Wmby was out there and the Knicks got a once
in a lifetime tipping that could have gone either way.
If he chips that ball and it doesn't go in,
That's not the conversation you're having. You're having a conversation
of how did the Knicks, how did they come into
the Spurs and even put that on to be in
a position to get back to even the series. So, yes,
(17:13):
the Knicks did what they were supposed to do once
the door was open, and they made their shots, and
this is what happens. But if you can look at
their coaching staff and think that the coaches and the
blame and the play, are you kidding me? Like this
is textbook. We've seen it over and over and over again.
(17:34):
When the Knicks came back in those games you're talking
about the Boston Celtics missed seventy five out of one
hundred and three pointers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Live by the three, die by the three.
Speaker 9 (17:46):
And if you're the Spurs and you're coaching, you got
to say, we shot the lights out in the first half.
They're not going down in the second half. We need
a new game plan. They were in the bonus in
the fourth quarter. Attack the basket, get free throws, get
points out of it. All you have to do is
stop the Knicks from putting together a ten or twelve
(18:07):
point run by getting free throws, by getting to the basket.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
This is elementary basketball.
Speaker 9 (18:12):
All the former players and people I talk to today all said,
are you kidding me? They've never seen anything like this,
because none of it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And that just doesn't none of it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So what I said, Rob was never that to come
back from twenty nine to twenty eighteen. The other team
he the team that was up, absolutely has to have
some boneheaded plays, right, that's going.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You can't just come back from twenty nine. I'm just
my my biggest thing.
Speaker 9 (18:36):
You're talking about the young team and the guy who
made the biggest blunder. Remember it's a one point game,
ten seconds and you have the ball. Seriously, No, that's
the that's that's the game. You just secured the ball
underneath the Knicks basket, right you haven't.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You just got the ball.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean you get still he gets to steal, he
goes down and and he and his mine is faster
than everybody he's been probably.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
No, no, that's not that's not winning.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I'm not saying that. I'm talking about his mind. You
played basketball. That that is the dumbest player I've ever seen. Dumbest,
but he's supposed to. That's and that's to me that
I'm dumbest player anybody looking at that and thinking about
that game. Feil on the Aaron Foxes, Absolutely, that's ridiculous
to me. And that's why it again, I don't like
when people, oh, they're just simply on the the the
(19:27):
Spurs because Mike Brown puts in Alvarado who normally would
not be getting these crunch time minutes, and he changes
the complexity of the game. He hits eight key shots,
two threes, and he does that Bob coosy looking layup.
He plays good defense and he also really none of that.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
But none of that, none of that matters because it
does and no, it does make it shots, No, it
does make it. No, it doesn't It doesn't matter if
the Spurs just played not exceptional basketball. You get it.
You are on fire in the first half. You have
to understand that stuff balances out. No one's gonna shoot
that well the entire game. That's where coaching comes in.
(20:05):
This is the coach the team. Does a team ever
do that?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Because every time you tell me the so and so coaching,
I need to fire that coach because who loses that
type of game? Because I told you about last year,
didn't I tell you about did not tell you about Johnson?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yes I would, Yes I would.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So everyonebody get fired. I'm saying your team, you can't coach.
You can't coach. You can't mean, can't.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Coach, can't coach.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
This is no, no, no, and edit that's been my
whole point to you can't coach, but you showing how
inexperience they are.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
No, no, no, no. The game.
Speaker 9 (20:40):
I think I think that sometimes the difference between me
and you is you really think a fourteen point lead
in the first half of an NBA game means you're
gonna win the game?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
That's nothing, Yes, you want you keep talking about. I
think they had they had.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
A fourteen point lead in the first half and they
lost that game fourteen points in for the.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Next half point multiple games by I'm talking about that game.
Speaker 9 (21:02):
I'm talking about the game you're talking about that They
gave up Game one because they were up by fourteen
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
They gave that game up.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They had to open the turnover and con missed the
file and missus a shot to win.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He missed the shot.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
They are two shots away from being up three to
one shot because the shot.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Wilby makes that shot.
Speaker 9 (21:24):
And if and if they hold on to the ball
and don't don't go to the back, You're gonna give
you two ways.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
They're giving you two plays, two not a thousand plays.
I'm giving you two delays in and say will And
that was another.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
That was another.
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Ridiculous thing that I ever heard. Who's gonna throw the
toweling on the NBA Finals game? On an NBA Finals game,
give Melvin, tell me give me the NBA Finals game
where a coach through the toweling. You must be crazy.
You ain't never seen that in your life. Give me
the No, give me the NBA Finals game when you're
(22:01):
at home with three quarters to go on two quarters
and you're.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Gonna do we'll get it back.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
No you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I know you're not.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
They can win the Dame a track no way in
the world, so way, so shut of here with the
Spurs quaze.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So the Spurs crazy talk. So the Spurs, who actually
give me an.
Speaker 9 (22:19):
Example of a coach would quit and an NBA Finals
game at home absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Going the road, absolutely kill. You can't give me will
so called off the doors. We can't win this game
my hands nothing. Let's quit once it isn't finally efficient
making much shot? Oh g Nanobe is an incredible thirty
something points on a crazy efficiency game as well. You
get al Alvarado who plays incredible minutes. You still turning whatever.
They get knocked the dogs, you get out the doors.
Speaker 9 (22:45):
In the NBA Finals game when I heard that, I
threw up in my mouth twice.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He Fox doesn't miss that. Anonobe blocks that shot, but
he doesn't get any credit. So everything is on this.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Show you the file that was on that play too.
Can I show you that you got the picture you
want me?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
If you talk about that far, I'm just saying no,
I'm just out show it to you.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Put it to me, all right, rob, Let's get us
some calls. Real quick. All right, Tony in DC, you're
on Neon Couple Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tony?
Speaker 4 (23:13):
So it's good. Two quick points here, Rob, I'm with
you that dearon Fox played with Soul Gregious Richard Jefferson,
Legler and Mike Brain didn't even say something about it
because I think they were in shock that he shot
the ball.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Does that even make sense? What basketball?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And my second point is the most egregious part with
Wimby is he plays on one of the franchises with
two of the greatest big men in history. You can't
tell me since the moment he set foot on American soil,
they have not been working with him for a go
to move. At moments like that. Wimby is soft. He
should have been like, look, I'm going down here giving
the ball in this spot and I'm going to do
(23:51):
what I do. But when he gets the ball, unless
he's catching the oop, he's really soft with it. So
he doesn't I mean, he doesn't have the faith in
himself to go to the post because I saw him
back in the threes and that's unsatisfactory.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
All right, Tony, thanks for the call, appreciate it. I
guess to chime in here, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, even when you you're out the blue collars.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Even look, I told you. I always told you guys,
I'll listen to your show. I love to show. I'm
a fan. Uh not only you know, a contributor, but Rob,
you're absolutely right, and sometimes it pains me to say this.
You're absolutely right. That play that the Aaron Fox made
is probably the worst basketball play in the history of bast.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Thank you you play basketball.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I do play basketball. Come on to basketball. I'm coaching
twelve year olds. And what I've lost a championship game
when we were up by two points and had the
ball with twenty seconds left, and my point guard came
down and shot at three and air balled it. There
(25:02):
was no shot clock. We didn't have to do anything
but hold the ball and crazed him, and he shot
the ball and airballed and we end up losing that game.
You never give the team an opportunity. It was eleven
seconds left when he stole the ball. If he just
runs around, he's going to burn at least four or
(25:26):
five seconds off the clock. That means he goes to
the free throw line up by one with four or
five seconds left in the gun period.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Come on, he's supposed to Bob Coozy that. I don't
argue that, but everybody acting like that was the game is.
That's my argument. Nobody's questing. I said, in real time
at home by myself, why.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
If he does that?
Speaker 9 (25:48):
If he if he does that, that is the play
that kills you. Because you're talking about how young they are.
He's not a young player.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, no, no lose in Sacramento. He played basketball. That's basketball.
That ain't got nothing to do with no final.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Kelvin Kelvin de Aaron Fox has been an All Pro
basketball player.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Come on, dude, listen.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
As a starter on that team, you can't make that play.
And on top of that, I'm not letting miss Johnson
off the off the hook. Shame on him. You listen
and I'll let you guys have the showback. But they've
been They were up by twenty or more points for
seventy to eighty percent of that game. Victor Wiben Yama
(26:42):
played forty four minutes. How is that even a thing?
Why would you play your star? You were up by
twenty or more points eighty percent of a basketball game?
Why would you rest him? For four minutes. That is
the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. And
(27:02):
that is why these things, that's why they're down three
to one. I appreciate you guys. You guys take it
away all right now.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I don't know if you were able to hear the
first segment. That's what I was saying. I said that
he put him out for fifty eight seconds. He goes
have a seat, and then all of a sudden they
start making a run. He goes, wait, get back in,
and I mentioned that we know, we talked about it.
Blood cut last year, only playing thirty minutes this year,
Winby is todd and he needed those rests, He needed
those minutes. And again, Mitt Johnson doesn't know what he's
(27:32):
doing right now. He's trying to figure this thing out
in real time and it's backfired on him.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Fill up and they'll PASSO. You're in the odd couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (27:42):
Phill up, what's up, everybody? How's it going?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
What's up? Philip Good? What's up? Buddy going good?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (27:48):
Do you all remember you guys, remember before the season started,
when the Knicks were looking for a new coach and
everybody was making fun of him because they were bringing
everybody through that door and they couldn't make a decision. Yes,
and now the Knicks are laughing because Mike Brown is
exactly what that team needed. And the San Antonio Spurs
(28:09):
need a Mike Brown. I'm not saying that Mitch Johnson
isn't going to learn and be a good coach, but
he is totally getting out coached right now. And that's
what a young team that's developing like the Spurs, they
need a veteran coach, a voice that they all respect
and learn from on the fly, because that guy's been
(28:30):
there before.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I would, I would, I.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Would, I would fire, I would fire.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
That should have never happened of the day. You guys
shouldn't even be playing that right.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Now, right Hey, thanks for the call. We appreciate it. Yeah,
that's Mike rob all right, got you?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You just how you who makes who's allowed to make
a mistake? Is what I'm asking to you.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
It's not it's not about making a mistake. It's about
the same thing happening over and over. I've seen firsthand.
Ricola was a coach of the Pistons. He didn't make
any stakes. They got a chance to upgrade with a
more experience, better coach at the time. At the time, No,
he can get it, but not with Wemby and not
(29:11):
with that team. There's no way you should be here
and losing games. If you lose because you're not good enough,
that's one thing. Let's get a cart. Can we squeeze
in another one? Kevin in Culver City, you're in the
odd couple.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Up all the time.
Speaker 12 (29:28):
I'm with Rob Kelvin, just let me have the floor.
I know you're right, you picked the Knicks, but this
slide flat on Mitch Johnson. Having these guys shoot eighth
stank you.
Speaker 6 (29:39):
Not going to the basket.
Speaker 12 (29:41):
And Dianne Fox, look, you played basketball at high level. Kelvin,
you play point guard. You know good and damn well
with the clock.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Winding down, thank you all out and you get fouled
nobly one of the best shot blockers if you fit
the players in the league, he's gonna come and contest
the shot. Yes, either gonna follow you or you're gonna
You're gonna run the clockdown for him to not recognize
being the youngest og bet on the team that you.
Speaker 12 (30:06):
Gotta take the clock down at that point to get
that ball back and secure it. It's just beyond me.
And it was a dumb move and it was a
dumb play. And Kobe Bryant, anybody shack would have checked
him in the locker room after that played. Now they
got two games in front of him when we could
do something about it. Maybe they can make this a
series and win it and we won't hear about it.
But they had an opportunity to win that game.
Speaker 10 (30:28):
That's on Jann Fox for not binding that clockdown and
making a bone at play.
Speaker 12 (30:33):
This team was up by twenty one.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Wait wait, wait, wait, I can't disagree with you. He
shouldn't have shot. I'll completely get that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
But all I'm saying is Whenby is your superstar, mits
Johnson's your coach. We love Castle, we love Harper and
all these other guys, but all of a sudden, it's
that one single play. That's the only issue I have
when everybody keeps saying that
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