October 18, 2024 • 48 mins
We discuss sequels that undermine, taint or retcon their original movies!
Did we miss any? Can a sequel ruin an original movie? Are we dumb?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
While out buying a wall mounts for my mother. I'm
gonna hang her television. I'm a good son, you know.
I asked the people at best Buy if they had
those little holes that you can put in the wall
and then run the wires through, because we're not white trash.
We're not going to let the wires hang from the
television down to whatever it's gonna be plugged into, okay.
(00:22):
And the guy said no. And I said, okay, all right,
do you think maybe they'd have that over at best
or over at Target? And the guy snickered at me,
he laughed and said, do you think they have something
that useful at Target? And I said, at first, how
dare you? How dare you attack my church?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sure? Sure?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But then I thought, you know what, I kind of
like it. I wouldn't mind a little rivalry here, a
little uh brick and mortar.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Rivalry, little crips first bloods.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, where the workers of certain stores hate other stores?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, brand loyalty or I guess, yeah, I guess the
stores themselves are brands.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know what's funny too, is best by pretending they're
still useful. I almost if I go to best Buy
I'm probably having a bad day. If I got to
walk into best Buy, something's gone terribly wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
If I'm going to best Buy, it is a last
second thing where I, you know, didn't have the time
to buy it on Amazon Prime, and I know that
it's something that is very specific to a television. But otherwise, yes,
I'm just going to Target.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And twenty years ago that wasn't the case. Twenty years ago,
best Buy a spot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Twenty years ago, I'd go to best Buy first.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'd be playing Guitario for two hours in best Buy.
Place was the fucking best was the tits And simultaneously,
with the downfall of DVDs.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And Blu rays went best Buy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But on top of that, as we got older and
lived in our own apartments and whatnot, Target was just
infinitely more useful than best Buy was.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Target might be the best place on earth. And that's
coming from someone who just went to Disney World.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I gotta say too, there's no Walmart really near us,
but Walmart's online store has everything really good for TV
mounts and shit, like what you were looking for. Walmart's
online store is unrivaled.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Although Walmart's online store I feel like sometimes or most
of the time is that when you go to order something,
they just don't have it. Like they present it to
you as like, hey, we have all this stuff and
then they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Y yeah, notify me when back and stuck.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
One good three yeah, jobs three.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
King of Queen.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Marl Street, Enter time, Go and I'm Mac.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And we are the Mac and Goo Program. We Bring
You Friendship.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And Sequels sequel.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
This is this is a sequel to our original podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was just gonna say that we're kind of a sequel.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, we used to be mac A and d Goo.
Now we're Mac ampersand gou or vice versa. I don't
know which one we are.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We're ampersand now.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So today we're gonna bring you and maybe you guys
can answer this for us. Sequels that ruined the original
or sequels that maybe what do you call on this?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So before we get to that, I did want to
ask you, are we on our ninth year of this
podcast or our tenth year? What year did we start
in how the years work?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Twenty fifteen? We started twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm pretty sure October of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I think technically September. But we are one of
our first episodes, we were discussing.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Our second would you rather have.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The Cubs young Bats or the Mets young Pictures?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, and we threw it away. We said this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Because we both agreed on the Cubs.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Remember, I don't even know what we agree with what
we just said. We said, this thing sucks, and.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
History went on to show us that maybe neither comes
not in a world series though.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So there's there's that.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
What was the other question? What is this episode?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah? What are you titling this? What are you calling this?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So I guess the first thing I need to ask you,
I might call it sequels that tainted the original Okay,
because I want to put the word taint. Yeah, tant's
pretty fun. I wanted to ask you this before we
get into the question of sequels that ruined the original movie?
Do you believe that a sequel can ruin a movie?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's a hard question to answer, and first of all,
this is the topic of discussion because of Joker Follier Do,
which I think you can argue, did ruin that first movie.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So you do believe that first one.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think that there are instances, though, where first movies
can be so good that they're completely completely unaffected by
what comes after them.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That, But then I think you can argue that second
movies can be so bad that it unravels everything that
the first movie may have done, and that's still maybe
not necessarily a knock.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Against the first movie. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's a hard question to answer, but I do think
in general, yes, a sequel can ruin a first movie.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's why I think a sequel can taint a first movie.
Like if a sequel changes the lore or if it
retcon something from the first movie, you then start to say,
do I care about that first movie?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You start questioning things more, and maybe things you forgave
in that movie the say two or three years prior.
Now you're like, you know what, I don't like that
anymore because of what happens in a future movie. So yeah,
it's hard to keep it a black and white answer.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think it's sort of a case by case basis.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So mac I went through the interwebs and pulled up
every bad sequel that is listed as a sequel that
either ruined or it's just a bad sequel in general.
I put him in alphabetical order. I'm gonna ask ask
you if this sequel tainted the first movie, I'm gonna
just go for the record of the word taint you love.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm just gonna keep singing that the whole episode.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can I start listing sequels?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah? How many movies do you have here? By the way?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
A hundred?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's like that Twitter thread that we used to do. Yes,
is there?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Mac? Do you believe that Austin Powers, the Spy Who
Shagged Me taints International Man of Mystery by telling us
Vanessa was a fembought all along?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Goo? Yeah, hear man? On this one.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You think it's better?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think Austin Powers, Spy Who Shagged Me it's a
better movie than Man of Mine.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think it's better too. But do you not, like, like,
when you go back and watch International Man of Mystery,
do you then start to look at Vanessa sideways? No?
Because or are you squinting because you're doing something else? Elizabeth?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No? Because this franchise is a spoof of all those things.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So it plays perfectly in this franchise that the character
and the love interest they built up the whole first
movie ends up being a fembot.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It works absolutely perfectly.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
How about in Blues Brothers two thousand, we find out
that the orphanage gets closed.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Anyways, I don't know if I've ever seen Blues Brothers
two thousand, may I recommend it me?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't know that it ruined the first Blues Brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No. Now, because it's legacy sequel, you don't have to
see it. Not a big deal, true. Caddy Shack two,
they swapped out Bill Murray for dan Aykroyd, and they
weren't able to get Rodney Dangerfield back, so they brought
in was it Jackie Mason and they pretty much used
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the Rodney Dangerfield script. All those jokes were written for Dangerfield,
but then Jackie Mason did them.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I will say this now, someone were to say Caddy
Shack two ruins Caddyshack or taints the first Caddyshack, I
guess I wouldn't disagree with them. However, I would say
that most people don't even acknowledge Caddy Shack too, so
it's like it doesn't even exist, and therefore it can't
really taint the first movie.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You're ready for this, Yeah, I think the existence of
Caddy Shack two makes me appreciate Caddy Shack one more.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think we're both in agreement here, though neither of us.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You said different things.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, I'm saying on the first Caddyshack, I think it's
vastly overrated when.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We're no, I love Caddy Shack.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh my god, No, I think it's extremely overrated.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's a good movie, good comedy, vastly overrated when you're
talking about all time comedy.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I had Caddy Shack in my top fifty movies of
all time?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Did you really? Yeah? I did you know it's better
than Caddy Shack slap Shot?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No? No ye? Should we rank sports movies sports comedies
only sports comedies.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Till two that next week?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I just started the list. I was gonna start doing
it now.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The Diehard movies, where after the first one, the first movie,
fucking classic, sure is, Bruce Willis is just a normal,
everyday cop John McClain. Then he becomes a superhero. Does
that taint die Hard?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It would be hard to say that it didn't, because
the whole magic of the first one is that John
McClain's and every man and he's just getting by by
the skin of his teeth, barely surviving the whole instance. Yeah,
and you would think after that he would just go
into retirement and that's that, you know, live a nice,
happy family man life. And instead they turn him into
like Rambo mission impossible type of character. Yeah, a Rambo
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type of character, a character that's doing these outlandish things.
And don't get me wrong, they're worse aboutlandish things in
the first one. But like one instance one day that
one man stepped up and saved his family. After that, like,
come on, and enough for nothing, Like it's a little
more believable at least in the eyes of the viewer
when it's this larger of life character like a Stallone
(09:58):
or Schwarzenegger. When it's like five nine Bruce Willie, it's
really hard to believe him as this massive action hero.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
What's the taint percentage?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, how many diehards do we have? Now we have.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Five, there's a lot of diehards.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Diehard with Vengeance was the last one with Justin Long right.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And like yeah, and then Kevin Smith was in one
of them too.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh, let's let's say it taints it by about twenty
five percent.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's a lot of taint. That's a lot of tame,
dumb and dumber. Two A legacy comedy the character is
Obviously they're teetering in the first one of either being
likable or being funny or uh being likable hateable, but
they're still funny. Uh. The second one is so bad?
(10:43):
Does it make you question the comedy of the first movie?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I think a little bit of your point about the
legacy single kind of applies here. It came so far
afterwards that it doesn't. People don't naturally connect them in
the way they would the Austin Powers movies three years apart. However,
it does, like to your point here, it does change
the characters because they're kind of lovable idiots in the
first one, and they actually end up just being fucking.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Assoles, catable losers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh, I actually I want you to do a little
digging after this. Do you know that that movie was
paid for by like a Ponzi scheme?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Madeof I forget exactly, but it's a pretty good story,
so good that I've forgotten most of it. The Friday
the Thirteenth horror movies where you have so many Jason
Death's body changes. They try and change the powers and
the lore and make other characters the killers, but it
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always goes back to Jason, he's a worm. At one
point he goes to space. Does all of that make
you feel less appreciative even though he's not in the
first movie, But say the second Friday the thirteenth or
the third one, when the Mask first shows up, do
you question your like of these movies?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So as iconic as Jason Vorhees is and becomes in
that mask and whatnot, I think there's a pretty good
argument to be made that there's only one good Friday
the Thirteenth movie, the first one, and which he's not
even the killer in it. That said, that franchise is
defined by like the cheesy gorriness and like the over
to top shit. So I think there at that point
(12:25):
they could release any movie and it would fit in
with the franchise. So yes, you could argue it waters
down that first one, because that's a legitimately great horror movie.
From there on out they become kind of crazy, stupid slashers,
but that's sort of sort of what defines the rest
of the movies. So on the whole, I don't think
it taints the franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Gremlins two changes the genre of the film series. Director
Joe Dante was given complete control of the sequel after
the success of the first one. Mac, Do you believe
that Gremlins two takes the piss out of Gremlins One?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I think there's a perfect example of it, because
Gremlins one isn't quite a kid's movie, but there's some there's.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's that fun horror elements. It's kind of a Christmas movie.
There's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Art in that story. Yeah, and then they take it
in a complete different direction. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And so I think this is the perfect example of
a movie that taints a franchise or taints a first movie,
because you would expect, I mean, that first one is
still a classic, but you would expect the magic of
that first one to carry on and it just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
But the second one is a classic for a different
reason of And this is kind of like Joker Folia do.
This is the one that I think compares it like
the most where it just changes what it is and says, oh,
you like the first one, You're a fucking idiot, But
this one is like it's clever in the fact that
they said, oh, you really like that first movie, this
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is something that you're not gonna like.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That whole audience we roped in with this, Yeah, instant classic.
We're gonna say fuck you and create something completely different.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Which is kind of like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And then
I think it's the second one where Toby Hooper then
made it a spoof like a he like the poster
is the Breakfast Club?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
No, the second one is very spoofy. And but that's
different though, because it almost works to a certain degree
in the second change Texas Chainsaw Masco for whatever reason,
that that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We've already spoken about the Friday the Thirteenth franchise. How
about Halloween, where I think you have an all time
classic as the first movie, and then just sequel after
sequel of New Lore they try and break off of Michael.
He dies at the end of h two. Oh does
he No, he's actually alive in Resurrection. Do you believe
(14:51):
that the Halloween sequels tarnish the first movie?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, as much as I like the second movie here
so if the second movie I think could have been
great if they just never connected Laurie and Michael. Yeah,
it just stood as its sequel as he gets away
at the end of the first movie, isn't it? And
is still terrorizing or getting revenge on Laurie. It works,
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but connecting them and making them siblings led the rest
of the franchise down their stupid fucking path, leading to
these Zoltan type fucking characters. And that is a perfect
example of a sequel and sequels that completely taint the franchise.
And I mean they've it tainted it so much that
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we've had two reboots that have been trying to get
rid of those original sequels, and they still haven't been
able to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What I also hate, too, is that you try and
watch the original movie and I think I'm kind of
like over this hump now, but watching it with having
in the back of your mind that Laurie is related,
Like it takes a little bit out of it. You
like him to just be the shape the boogeyman who
came to town, but then you're like, oh, you're stuck
in his sister.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Right right, And like that second movie has all the
elements to be a great horror movie and I really
enjoy it, I like it more than most, but them
putting that one, Like if you just remove that and
the movie still existed the way it does without the
plot point that they're related.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, it's a much better movie, how about. And we've
already mentioned Joker a couple of times. That's the reason
why we're doing this episode. But Todd Phillips also has
done sequels for The Hangover that have been criticized, the
second one for being pretty much the same movie as
the first one. Maybe he doesn't have the same heart,
not as funny. And then the third one is Banana Land.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, so I guess because of all the money that
the first movie made, a sequel was inevitable. But if
you look at all those classic two thousands comedies, the
only other one that got a sequel was Anchorman, and
that sequel wasn't good, Like they all existed and just
stayed the way they were. This would be like making
a sequel to Step Brothers for instance. Actually we ended
(17:03):
up getting one for Borat two. That didn't work out either.
I think it diminishes that first movie because that movie
was like a time and Place twenty ten, a moment
that that really only works in that time and place.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I thought Hangover to it was it?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Nine?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I did?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It was nine.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Let's put the difference, And then that type of comedy
just got less and less funny as we went on,
and it also spawned a lot of copycats.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
On top of that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Project X is a good example of like a a
PG thirteen or a younger generation hangover type of movie. Yeah,
I they the second one is watchable.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The third one is like, what how did we The.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Second one really just hammers home the same jokes though.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, yeah, it was like, all right, we'll do one last.
It's like when you go on a final bachelor party
for your one friend that's still unmarried.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's it's sort of that, oh, you like the first one,
how about we do that again? And you just mentioned Anchorman.
I didn't have it on this list. I didn't think
that because it's more of a legacy sequel. It's almost
ten years after the first one. I would question more
like the Ron Burgundy, the character popping up at ROAs
or having his own podcast as something that it doesn't
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taint the first movie. For me, the first movie is
just a classic to me.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No, it still is, and because it is so, that's
one of those examples of the first movie is so great,
it's going to transcend all the shittiness that's come after it.
And there has been a lot of shittiness, that that
character has really run its course and it is somehow
still popping up. That Ron Burgundy podcast is one of
the worst things.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Don't you dare say that? Don't you Dare? iHeartRadio, We
love you Mac. Have you seen the Highlander movies?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Okay, so I have seen parts of the first one,
and then during my research, this is the one that
pops up as the sequel that really like goes out
of its way to be different than the first one
and kind of ruins things Highlander to the quick. Apparently
what they do is they now say that the immortals.
I'm not really sure what those I'm blanking a lot
(19:07):
on Highlander, but they're actually aliens. That sounds terrible. Remember
that first movie, It's not what you thought it was.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, remember that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's that's a little bit of what Halloween does. Actually, yeah,
gets it, gets it into spiritual shit.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Oh yeah, Halloween six, it's got the little triangle on
his wrist. Zultan Zultan Indiana Jones where we do have
three movies that are pretty consistent, but then once they
bring it back on the legacy side of it, it
becomes more of a superhero.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I would say that they turned them into a superhero
early on. It works. It works the more you think
about it, though it doesn't. Just don't think about it.
They turned India into a superhero rather quickly. He does
some pretty outlandish things. It is a little bit of
a diehard situation, except they are just better written movies.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I suppose it works.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think that the first three or the last two
sequels that we got for being how poor they are,
it makes me appreciate how the first three works so well.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I still haven't seen the fifth one.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I have zero zero goes back in.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Time, and that's because it Wreckcon's my favorite of the series,
Crystal Skull.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Have you seen Independence Day two?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
No? I have not.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They didn't have Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, that seems like a mistake.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I also did not see this. But the but the
threat in two is so much bigger, which then kind
of diminishes the threat of one. But the first movie
I haven't seen. Maybe that's the whole the thing. Just
don't see sequels.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Here's here's the thing. How good you have a threat
bigger than a world ending threat?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What if there's two worlds?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, parallel universe We're.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Going to destroy the Earth and the Moon.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And Earth two. Yeah. I mean if you destroy the Earth,
it would destroy the Moon because it would lose its orbit.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What if you just destroyed the Moon and then Earth,
the tides would all collapse upon each other.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Tides yep, and we'd get hit by more asteroids and
comets and shit.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because the Moon has a laser gun on it that
protects us.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The mood serves as a shield for the Earth. Go on,
dark side of the Moon has thousands of asteroid and
comet hits on it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, I think you go to tell me that Pink
Floyd predicted all of this, all right, Mac Jaws Jaws
the first one, nineteen seventy five, absolute classic. But then
we and this is actually one of the movies that
kind of brought us into where we are now with
the sequels. You have a big blockbuster movie. We need
to capitalize on this. We need ripoffs and we need sequels.
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By the end of it, you have a telekinetic shark
that is connected to the Brody family. But that does
not take away from the magic of the first movie.
I look at it as just a stand alone The
other movies don't count it's a different show. The shark
get's blown up at the end of the first one.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I would say that the other movies are so bad
in thiss franchise that it almost makes it its own
FRANCHISEE you have like Jaws and then the Jaws.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sequels, they're separate.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It Also, Jaws is such a significant film in general
and for so many people that it's it would be
like impossible to ruin that movie.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
First one's nineteen seventy five. I think the final sequel
was around like the late eighties early nineties.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think it was eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I want to say, we haven't gotten any word or
attempt of a Jaws remake which tells you how good
the first movie is.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Do you think that there is some temptation to subtitle
Deep Lucy as a jazz.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Story call in Jaws with Brains A shock?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eate me, a fucking shock, eate me.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's a good impression. I thought Samuel L. Jackson was here. Also,
keep in mind that in the second Jaws movie, the
mayor is still the mayor.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, corrupt politics.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I did read a good article earlier that he probably
used the events of Jaws one to you know, then
trick the people into voting for him again, Like, hey,
I handled the shark the first time.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I think he's a rather solid lad these days. But
George W. Bush got reelected because of the immediate events
following nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And you could argue that's what happens in just.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Two things about George W. Bush. Yeah, we're getting poly
charged here, guys. Number One, he's a painter. He likes
to paint. Number two, speaking of paint, he paints the black.
He threw that fucking ball sixty feet six inches.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Over many years, we've been waiting for that joke.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It just came to me, and I'm really excited about you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think George W. I got no complaint. We were
too young to really have an opinion on politics when.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We were twelve years old. We were just aware that
things were going on.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
He was not liked very well by many prior to
that horrible event, and then he became beloved by many,
and then it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Kind of went back down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Shall we talk about Joker really quickly or just say
yay or nay, because we just talked about Joker two
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean, so for me, someone that was like sort
of teetering on the first Joker movie HM, which appreciated
it for Joaquin Phoenix's performance and the idea of the
movie had it not been attached to DC lore, I
think that went all out the window with the second movie,
and I'm and I think maybe that's why, Like if
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I listened to Dork's review as well, and they like,
they hated this movie more than I did. You hate
this movie more than I did the second movie I'm
talking about, but I liked the first movie less than
all three of you. So I think for me, it
made that first one go way down because I was
already just like kind of justifying it with Joaquin's performance. Well,
the performance still exists in this movie, and this is
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dog shit, So to me, the whole thing is now
dog shit.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you think that Todd Phillips did not like the
fans of the first movie, because that's also been talked
about now too.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's like a prevailing conspiracy. There's just there's two
much that stake and too much money on the line
for that to be true.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Let's move on to the Jurassic Park franchise, where you
have an absolute classic, a forty dogger with the first movie,
and then every movie you go down down, a little
bit of a bump maybe, and then down, down, down.
At the end of Jurassic Park three, we see Dino's
leaving the island, but that's not discussed in Jurassic World
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at all. And then also after the events of say
Jurassic Park two, where a t Rex gets loose in
San Diego, why would you then reopen another park twenty
thirty years later? Yet we do? Are you able to
separate that first Jurassic Park movie from the sequels?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I really enjoyed Jurassic World, and I have to acknowledge
the fact that the lore in the Jurassic Park universe
is very inconsistent and to your points, it's like nothing
really makes sense. Now we've tried this like four times,
Why are we still doing this shit with dinosaurs?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I do think like.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If it did exist in the real world, you would
see the greed and shit that exists in that universe.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, but man, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I have a hard time with this one because Jurassic
Park is such a classic movie. But I feel like
the sequels like definitely bring it down because they're all
hearkening back to that first one.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, they all also get back to the same dinosaurs.
Give us new how many dinosaurs were there?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Great? Question great?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Maybe also a different dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Bill failed to realize.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is like there's like two, if not at least three
distinct errors of dinosaurs that dinosaurs exist in thousands and
thousands of years apart, and some on screen dinosaurs we've
seen come together never actually existed together on this earth.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So there's a lot of inaccuracies in dinosas.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't even care about dinosaurs, but like, just give me,
give me different dinosaures myself, give me different dinosaurs. There's
a lot of dinosaurs choose from.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I think I'm just over over dinosaurs. I just I'm
over SDA Sweet Dotto. Actually it doesn't do it for
me anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Mac. The first Lego movie from twenty fourteen, question mark.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Maybe even earlier, I might have been fourteen thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Classic amazing movie. I think it's like right hundred percent
on rotten to make, I would.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Say a forty dog movie.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But because of the success of that movie, within three
or four years we got four other Lego movies. Do
you believe that the abundance of Lego movies kind of
watered down the first one.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
In this instance, I don't because Lego has the licenses
to so many ips that they had. They almost had
to keep seeing these things through the Ninjago shit. I
don't care about. That was kind of after we had
grown up. We didn't really play with Ninjago shit. Like
Lego Batman's pretty good. The rewatchability is not great, but
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like like that, For example, the Pharrell biopic cut that
comes out this month is a Lego movie. Like, I'm
still okay with the Lego movies, and I wonder if
it's just because I'm still a simp for Lego.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I still love Lego, I know I have.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I don't think the Lego sequels have tainted the first movie.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
The First Matrix is a groundbreaking movie that blew everyone's
mind in nineteen ninety nine. The second one had some
pretty good stuff in it, and then third one went
to shit, and then we got a Legacy sequel later
on that was also not very good. Do you believe
that the sequels took the piss out of the first
one a little bit?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's got iconic scenes and it was a pretty groundbreaking movie.
I don't think really people are going back to rewatch
the Matrix, which you would think people would for as
significant as it did.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
People don't talk about it enough as being a classic movie.
That's my big issue with it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's instant classic, and within four or five years a
lot of that went away because four years later the
third movie had come out and was terrible. It's a
really bad movie. And the second one is solid, it's solid,
it moves it along. The third one's terrible.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So within a five year span, you had the highs
of all the.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You know, of an instant classic in a groundbreaking movie,
to the depths of hell Boy where people are like,
I think I'm over this Matrix stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Men in Black. At the end of the first Men
in Black movie, Tommy Lee Jones was mind wiped and
turned into a mailman, and then for the second movie
they brought him back.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And then Men in Black three we find out that
Kay was there when Jay's dad died, which.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Was meant in the Superman video or in the Lose
Yourself video. He was in the back.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The Men in Black sequels aren't good.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I don't think it taints the movie though, I
think because it's such a ridiculous premise. Anyways, Yeah, I
don't think these these sequels taint that first.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
One, Son of the Mask. People point to this as
maybe being the worst scene equal of all time, starring
Jamie Kennedy. Do you believe that that movie taints the
first movie at all? Because I do not.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I also don't think some of the mess came out
in the theaters. I think it was like a straight
to DVD movie. I could be wrong about that. I
think there wasn't much fanfare around this and that first movie,
maybe just because of Cameron Diaz's Red Dress stays a top.
I that movie does not get tainted for me.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Let's see, if it was a theater release it was,
how much did it make? I did not ask that,
so I don't know. I just asked if it was
a theater release and it was eighteenth, two thousand and five,
bit of a legacy sequel two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I would have said two thousand and two, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It is, And no, it makes me appreciate how good
the first one is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Great villain, but again, Cameron Diaz in the Red Dresses,
I mean that is an all time memorable movie.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
People look at Space Jam a new legacy, as a
cash grab that just threw a bunch of products on
the screen and said, here you go. I would argue
that the first Space Jam does the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Some of the mask made sixty million dollars on a
one hundred million dollar budgets.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's pretty bad, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I have not seen the second Space Jam.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I think you could argue it does tarnish the legacy
strictly because the classic Space Jam website had to do
Space Jam oh rash like ninety six.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, that really pissed me off.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think people just have an issue with Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's for sure. I actually don't even have an issue
with Lebron. I have an issue with touching. That's another
time and place thing. That movie is so nineteen ninety six.
It should have just been left in its own world.
Don't make sequels to that.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Speed two Cruise Control And when I watched the First
Speed movie, I don't even think about this one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, never seen it, never will. The First Speed movie
admittedly doesn't hold up well, but it's it's a nineties classic.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
The second Speed's on a boat, It could be anything.
It could be a boat. Spider Man three. The one
thing that I do not care for in this movie
is the ret conning of Uncle Ben's death. But other
than one thing, well, no, like when connecting it to
the other movies, the Spider Man one and two, but otherwise,
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like I don't think it really tarnishes the other two movies.
It tarnishes it as like a trilogy, Like now you
don't look at it as a classic trilogy anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Otherwise it does.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It does royally fuck up a beloved character in Venom,
So that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, at least they're making up for it now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It also maybe halted some other plans they were gonna
have Spider Spider Man planned. That movie was so bad
that they sort of just stopped that, and we did
end up with the MCU what five years later, So
maybe that's that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
No, I thought Spider Man three was two thousand and seven,
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Is it that late? Iron Man two two two, Spider
Man three might be five? Alright?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, because Spider Man's O one, because X Men is
two thousand, spider Man two is three.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Spider Man three was two thousand and seven?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Was it two thousand and seven? Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, that's what Google tells me. Spider Man two was
two thousand and four and the first one was two
thousand and ten.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
So hold on. The first ghost Rider come out in
two thousand and seven is.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Ghost Rider in the Sky. That's an underrated song. Give
it up for Johnny Cash.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, Spider Man three, it does taint that that franchise
in the movie.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
All right, how about this, and don't spend too much
time on it. I don't want to talk about your
hatred of Ryan Johnson for too long. Okay, I want
to ask you this does the entire trilogy, the entire
sequel trilogy, how it came together, how they had two
different directors, It's being pulled all over the place. Does
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that taint anything for you? Star Wars wise.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Uh, you don't want to talk about the prequels at all.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So I'll people got a new appreciation for the prequels
because of how messy this one was.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, maybe that's true.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And the Clone Wars also, you know, helped help the
law in those those prequels. To me, as I get
older and the more I interact with Star Wars fans,
and the more Star Wars media I consume. I think
Star Wars is best viewed through a lens like you
have to take into consideration the age in which.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You viewed these movies.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Because when we saw the prequels, we we liked them.
We were ten, twelve, fifteen, my dad's age, who grew
up loving the original movies kind of hated them, and
I think we're in that cycle now. We saw this
sequel trilogy, we kind of hated it. Now I hated
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one movie and then as a result liked the third
one so much because it's shit on the second one's chest.
But that's that trilogy was a nightmare. So this sort
of seems to be this cycle with Star Wars fans
where they have these expectations or these feelings towards the
franchise that got built up during their childhood. Yeah, and
you're sort of shooting for unrealistic expectations, which is really
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unfair to Star Wars. However, it has been such a
popular property for so long. It's just it is the
way it is. And now they're in this realm where
they're making television shows, some of them really bad, some
of them fantastic, and it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
People are loving them and people are hating them.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I don't, I'm just there's certainly people have Star Wars fatigue.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I have Star.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Wars argument fatigue. Like I'm just like, I'm done arguing Star.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Wars with people. It's just not worth it. It's just not
worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Palpatine has returned the Terminator movies te in T two
the perfect conclusion at the end of T two, where
Judgment Day has been it's gone, but retconned into it's
been delayed.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
This one's tough because Terminative movies already deal with time
travel so inevitably.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
We were like, gonna go down there.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're gonna muddy timelines as you keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, So I don't think it really taints those first
couple of movies because this seemed inevitable.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I also only consider the first two movies as movies
that I'll watch. I don't watch anything after that, and
they are.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Very separate, and they came out years and years apart.
But that's when you when you're deal with time travel initially,
you just you know that's gonna be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I see a lot of people and I really liked
this movie, but people think that the the fourth Toy
Story movie kind of taints the end of three, where
the end of three Toy Story three, by the way,
is you give away the toys and you are moving on.
Yet you're not moving on. You're then going back to
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this world and dealing with these same toys, just a
different owner.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, we moved on from the kid that grew up that,
I mean, that makes sense. You know my stance on this,
I think Toy Story three borderline ruined the franchise.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Toy Story four I really enjoyed, gave it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I'm that you can't enjoy the movie. But what I'm saying, though,
is like you're tainting the end of what we just got,
the beautiful end of three.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, because that would be like saying toys have a
finite time of being viable, and it's just not true.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
How many how.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Many times are going back? That's what I'm saying though,
How many days? How many times are we going back?
Or do you see online people finding their their toy
backs from when they're younger and bringing up toys from
their childhood they and still invoking those feelings. That's toys
exist forever, and the feelings that young kids have to
towards toys like your old toy is my new toy,
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and that's what this that's what this story is similar.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
But not to X Men or to Spider Man three
would be the X Men series, where it seems like
there is just such a jumble of great movies, mid
movies and then real shit movies. Do the bad ones taint?
How you look at the X Men movies? Also, how
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like Marvel, the MCU has done a better job with
their heroes that like a more consistent job at least,
then say what the X Men movies did?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I would say that the X Men movies are by
far the biggest roller coaster ride out of all of these,
because X two is phenomenal. The first X Men movie
doesn't hold up that well, but it happened so long
ago and it was such an important movie.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah you don't.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You don't even really criticize it too much. X three
not good.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think there's an argument there between X three and
Spider Man three, which ones worse, sort of in the
same playing field, But then they come out with first
class in Days of Future.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Past wine movies too.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
But yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you're right, And like reinvigorate
the X Men franchise and the x Men movies. But
then we come up with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and
bring it back down to the ship level that it
saved it from, and it's like, Logan make the same mistakes. Yeah,
and then we get Logan Yeah yeah, dead dead Pool, Wolverine,
and the Deadpool movies.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So work, I guess we're back on the up. It's
a hell of a roller coaster.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I also kind of look at how X Men the
animated series, both the original run and ninety seven do
such a great job with those characters, and then something
always feels, not always, but most of the time like
it's missing from the X Men movies.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, I a little bit like so the animated series
was also messy as well, So it might just be
an X Men thing that it's just bound to be
a messy franchise.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yes, Deadpool and Wolverine was an X Men movie and
Logan is an x Men movie. But the last two
we got with full teams were not good. Pol Apocalypse
was bad, and Dark Phoenix was horrible, So I guess
I would say we're still on the down.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Outside of Logan related stuff Mac.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Maybe my most disliked movie of all time would be
Zoolander two. Does Zulander two affect your viewing of the
first movie?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It took a stance don't see it, don't see it,
don't see it.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And uh, you know, legacy sequels are what they are,
but this one was like Zoolander is a fucking stupid
premise for a movie and in parts based off of
parts of an SNL sketch, sketch.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
They're lucky it worked the first time.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
There was no way it was gonna work the second time,
and it didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And mac sec could be anything, it could be about Mac.
We were discussing best Buy and Target. Earlier in the episode.
You were targeted on social media sponsored ad? A sponsored ad?
Can you just can you show the people slash tell us.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What it was?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Let me pull it up on my phone. So I'm
scrolling through, and don't get me wrong, I might be
the one to.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Blame for this. I have a terrible Internet search history.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm just enjoying my morning on Instagram, trying to catch
up on shit and lo and behold about the fourth
post down? I get this from Target and it says
Christmas small striped glass ornament, tree, blue threshold. They're telling
me this is a Christmas ornament coup.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I'd be afraid to get that because I might lose it.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't know if you've seen an adult video or two,
but that looks like something else entirely, And there's no
fucking way that. When they were designing that ad, there
was two or three people in the room, like.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Do they not do they not see what this is?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It reminds me of the pup plug.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Guys. It's a plug that they're disguising as an ornament.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm sitting across from Sue Joe Hansen right now. It
reminds me of college days. You know, you order one
blow up doll as a joke, and then suddenly you
are just your your email and you're you're seeing you're
inundated with Hey, do you want to buy this sex toy?
Now it's like, well, the first one was a joke.
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It was a joke, guys.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, but once you click on the targeted ads too,
you just get like a thousand more targeted ads.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's like, fuck, why did I click on that?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah? Did you buy it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I might never put up a Christmas tree again if
in the future I have a wife and kids and
they want to. By all means, I'm over Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So what is today's dates? Today is twenty twenty four.
It is October, So two weeks from Saturday, I'm putting
up my Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
What is that? November?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What second?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
A full three four weeks before Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So huh. When do you start putting gifts under the tree?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Depends on when I buy them, and it depends on
who it's for. If it's for my son, the answer
is no, because those are not from me. And then
if it's from my wife, I usually hide them as well.
It's gifts that are for my family.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So, okay, do you just keep Raffie's gifts downstairs in
the attic?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, in the attic.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah. He's too afraid to go up in the attic,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh no, he wants to go up there, but it's
too big of a message. I can't do it. I
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You should let him go up there, but make it
a trap, scare him.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
My attic right now is kind of a trap. It's
a death trap. It's a lot of stuff up there.
I need to clean. Okay, but the issue now, so
I need to in my apartment. I need to hang
three ceiling fans, and I also need to clean my attic.
The issue is that on the weekends I watch my son,
so I can't even do this on the weekends. I
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need to take time off of work and have like
the house to myself to do any of this.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Have you considered tying them up just for a little bit,
don't tell Baddy about it.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Have you considered buying a cage.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Or I don't know. Have him pretend to help you
and it'll occupy you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I don't want him near the electrical slash. I don't
want to want them near my tools or anything my tools.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
All right, I'll tell you you have more electrical skills
than I because you dabbled in that field for a
little bit. I tried replacing an outlet in my house.
Didn't work.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
You turn the power off first.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I even have the tester that goes in the plug,
and then you go down to the panel and figure
out which one it is. So I thought I had
got it initially right, and then I wonder if I
shorted it out somehow because the wires might have touched.
I also live in an old apartment, not as old
as yours and Tube No, but it's very old wiring,
So I wonder if I maybe fucking broke it inside
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of the thing.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
So I don't know. I just once, once I fucked
it up, I took it all out. I was still
able to return it to Home Depot.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Home Depot is the best.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, got my fifty three dollars back or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
But I would love it if the employees of Home
Depot hated lows.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I bet they do.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I bet they do, and I hope they do.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
You know, and now I'm thinking about it. Target Verse
Best Buy Red Verse Blue. You have orange Verse Blue
with lows versus Home of Deep, opposite colors.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I like that. Mac.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
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you off the scent that I am the captain of
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
So you're really the Paul Korea.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yep, I'm the Paul Korea.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I'm just assuming he was the captain. He had to
have been the captain, right.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Paul Korea definitely was Okay, you don't deserve an A.
You're not getting an A. What do you mean you're
not getting an A? Come on, we'll have to talk
about it. I'm not just gonna give you an A.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, but all it is is when you're out, I
run the ship, which is partial.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You didn't even put an episode out last week when
I was.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I got my identity stolen? What the fuck do you
want for me? I spent hours on the phone with
fucking credit card companies.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I spent hours on the phone with Melissa McCarthy and
Jason Bateman. I couldn't figure out what was going on.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I have the address, by the way, I have it's
an Alabama address.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Oh I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
If I had less to lose in this world, I
would fucking I would. I'd go down there. I would
go down there.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I said.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
I got his email. I don't know if it's a
him or her. I got an email and an address.
I sent an email to the email. I said, hey, motherfucker,
stop using my information. I have filed fraud alerts with.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
X y Z. And when the FTC no response.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Not to uh docs the email. But was it a
was it mister Soco sixty nine?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And this is how I know it's a fucking, a
fucking bullshit artist.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It was a hotmail.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Account, well done, well done because it spelled h O
T M A l E. There you go. We're just
spelt differently. Sometimes they mean different things. Go buy some
stuff on tea public join us next week for a
news dump, and then I know you want to see
The Wild Robot and Night. Yeah, we'll do that, and
(47:32):
then there's some other movies I want to talk about,
so we'll do that. Oh No, next week is Venom
Venim Venom Last.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Dance Tuesday night screening. I might be working. Fuck hope
you aren't. Yeah, I might be working.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
All right, we'll figure it out then. All right, so
Tuesdays are Guesdays. I Abuse Kangaroos.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Bye Burton.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Please flip the cassette over to side B to continued
the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.
While out buying a wall mounts for my mother. I'm
gonna hang her television. I'm a good son, you know.
I asked the people at best Buy if they had
those little holes that you can put in the wall
and then run the wires through, because we're not white trash.
We're not going to let the wires hang from the
television down to whatever it's gonna be plugged into, okay.
(00:22):
And the guy said no. And I said, okay, all right,
do you think maybe they'd have that over at best
or over at Target? And the guy snickered at me,
he laughed and said, do you think they have something
that useful at Target? And I said, at first, how
dare you? How dare you attack my church?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sure? Sure?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But then I thought, you know what, I kind of
like it. I wouldn't mind a little rivalry here, a
little uh brick and mortar.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Rivalry, little crips first bloods.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, where the workers of certain stores hate other stores?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, brand loyalty or I guess, yeah, I guess the
stores themselves are brands.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You know what's funny too, is best by pretending they're
still useful. I almost if I go to best Buy
I'm probably having a bad day. If I got to
walk into best Buy, something's gone terribly wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
If I'm going to best Buy, it is a last
second thing where I, you know, didn't have the time
to buy it on Amazon Prime, and I know that
it's something that is very specific to a television. But otherwise, yes,
I'm just going to Target.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And twenty years ago that wasn't the case. Twenty years ago,
best Buy a spot.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Twenty years ago, I'd go to best Buy first.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'd be playing Guitario for two hours in best Buy.
Place was the fucking best was the tits And simultaneously,
with the downfall of DVDs.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
And Blu rays went best Buy.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But on top of that, as we got older and
lived in our own apartments and whatnot, Target was just
infinitely more useful than best Buy was.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Target might be the best place on earth. And that's
coming from someone who just went to Disney World.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I gotta say too, there's no Walmart really near us,
but Walmart's online store has everything really good for TV
mounts and shit, like what you were looking for. Walmart's
online store is unrivaled.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Although Walmart's online store I feel like sometimes or most
of the time is that when you go to order something,
they just don't have it. Like they present it to
you as like, hey, we have all this stuff and
then they don't.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Y yeah, notify me when back and stuck.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
One good three yeah, jobs three.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
King of Queen.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Marl Street, Enter time, Go and I'm Mac.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And we are the Mac and Goo Program. We Bring
You Friendship.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And Sequels sequel.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
This is this is a sequel to our original podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was just gonna say that we're kind of a sequel.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, we used to be mac A and d Goo.
Now we're Mac ampersand gou or vice versa. I don't
know which one we are.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
We're ampersand now.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So today we're gonna bring you and maybe you guys
can answer this for us. Sequels that ruined the original
or sequels that maybe what do you call on this?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So before we get to that, I did want to
ask you, are we on our ninth year of this
podcast or our tenth year? What year did we start
in how the years work?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Twenty fifteen? We started twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I'm pretty sure October of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I think technically September. But we are one of
our first episodes, we were discussing.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Our second would you rather have.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
The Cubs young Bats or the Mets young Pictures?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, and we threw it away. We said this is terrible.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Because we both agreed on the Cubs.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Remember, I don't even know what we agree with what
we just said. We said, this thing sucks, and.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
History went on to show us that maybe neither comes
not in a world series though.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So there's there's that.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
What was the other question? What is this episode?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah? What are you titling this? What are you calling this?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So I guess the first thing I need to ask you,
I might call it sequels that tainted the original Okay,
because I want to put the word taint. Yeah, tant's
pretty fun. I wanted to ask you this before we
get into the question of sequels that ruined the original movie?
Do you believe that a sequel can ruin a movie?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's a hard question to answer, and first of all,
this is the topic of discussion because of Joker Follier Do,
which I think you can argue, did ruin that first movie.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So you do believe that first one.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think that there are instances, though, where first movies
can be so good that they're completely completely unaffected by
what comes after them.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That, But then I think you can argue that second
movies can be so bad that it unravels everything that
the first movie may have done, and that's still maybe
not necessarily a knock.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Against the first movie. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's a hard question to answer, but I do think
in general, yes, a sequel can ruin a first movie.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's why I think a sequel can taint a first movie.
Like if a sequel changes the lore or if it
retcon something from the first movie, you then start to say,
do I care about that first movie?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
You start questioning things more, and maybe things you forgave
in that movie the say two or three years prior.
Now you're like, you know what, I don't like that
anymore because of what happens in a future movie. So yeah,
it's hard to keep it a black and white answer.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think it's sort of a case by case basis.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So mac I went through the interwebs and pulled up
every bad sequel that is listed as a sequel that
either ruined or it's just a bad sequel in general.
I put him in alphabetical order. I'm gonna ask ask
you if this sequel tainted the first movie, I'm gonna
just go for the record of the word taint you love.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm just gonna keep singing that the whole episode.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can I start listing sequels?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah? How many movies do you have here? By the way?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
A hundred?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's like that Twitter thread that we used to do. Yes,
is there?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Mac? Do you believe that Austin Powers, the Spy Who
Shagged Me taints International Man of Mystery by telling us
Vanessa was a fembought all along?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Goo? Yeah, hear man? On this one.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You think it's better?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I think Austin Powers, Spy Who Shagged Me it's a
better movie than Man of Mine.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I think it's better too. But do you not, like, like,
when you go back and watch International Man of Mystery,
do you then start to look at Vanessa sideways? No?
Because or are you squinting because you're doing something else? Elizabeth?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No? Because this franchise is a spoof of all those things.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So it plays perfectly in this franchise that the character
and the love interest they built up the whole first
movie ends up being a fembot.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
It works absolutely perfectly.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
How about in Blues Brothers two thousand, we find out
that the orphanage gets closed.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Anyways, I don't know if I've ever seen Blues Brothers
two thousand, may I recommend it me?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I don't know that it ruined the first Blues Brothers.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
No. Now, because it's legacy sequel, you don't have to
see it. Not a big deal, true. Caddy Shack two,
they swapped out Bill Murray for dan Aykroyd, and they
weren't able to get Rodney Dangerfield back, so they brought
in was it Jackie Mason and they pretty much used
(07:40):
the Rodney Dangerfield script. All those jokes were written for Dangerfield,
but then Jackie Mason did them.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I will say this now, someone were to say Caddy
Shack two ruins Caddyshack or taints the first Caddyshack, I
guess I wouldn't disagree with them. However, I would say
that most people don't even acknowledge Caddy Shack too, so
it's like it doesn't even exist, and therefore it can't
really taint the first movie.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You're ready for this, Yeah, I think the existence of
Caddy Shack two makes me appreciate Caddy Shack one more.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think we're both in agreement here, though neither of us.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You said different things.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, I'm saying on the first Caddyshack, I think it's
vastly overrated when.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
We're no, I love Caddy Shack.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh my god, No, I think it's extremely overrated.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
It's a good movie, good comedy, vastly overrated when you're
talking about all time comedy.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I had Caddy Shack in my top fifty movies of
all time?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Did you really? Yeah? I did you know it's better
than Caddy Shack slap Shot?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No? No ye? Should we rank sports movies sports comedies
only sports comedies.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Till two that next week?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I just started the list. I was gonna start doing
it now.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
The Diehard movies, where after the first one, the first movie,
fucking classic, sure is, Bruce Willis is just a normal,
everyday cop John McClain. Then he becomes a superhero. Does
that taint die Hard?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It would be hard to say that it didn't, because
the whole magic of the first one is that John
McClain's and every man and he's just getting by by
the skin of his teeth, barely surviving the whole instance. Yeah,
and you would think after that he would just go
into retirement and that's that, you know, live a nice,
happy family man life. And instead they turn him into
like Rambo mission impossible type of character. Yeah, a Rambo
(09:37):
type of character, a character that's doing these outlandish things.
And don't get me wrong, they're worse aboutlandish things in
the first one. But like one instance one day that
one man stepped up and saved his family. After that, like,
come on, and enough for nothing, Like it's a little
more believable at least in the eyes of the viewer
when it's this larger of life character like a Stallone
(09:58):
or Schwarzenegger. When it's like five nine Bruce Willie, it's
really hard to believe him as this massive action hero.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
What's the taint percentage?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, how many diehards do we have? Now we have.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Five, there's a lot of diehards.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Diehard with Vengeance was the last one with Justin Long right.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And like yeah, and then Kevin Smith was in one
of them too.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Something like that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Uh, let's let's say it taints it by about twenty
five percent.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
That's a lot of taint. That's a lot of tame,
dumb and dumber. Two A legacy comedy the character is
Obviously they're teetering in the first one of either being
likable or being funny or uh being likable hateable, but
they're still funny. Uh. The second one is so bad?
(10:43):
Does it make you question the comedy of the first movie?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
It?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I think a little bit of your point about the
legacy single kind of applies here. It came so far
afterwards that it doesn't. People don't naturally connect them in
the way they would the Austin Powers movies three years apart. However,
it does, like to your point here, it does change
the characters because they're kind of lovable idiots in the
first one, and they actually end up just being fucking.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Assoles, catable losers.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Oh, I actually I want you to do a little
digging after this. Do you know that that movie was
paid for by like a Ponzi scheme?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Oh? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Madeof I forget exactly, but it's a pretty good story,
so good that I've forgotten most of it. The Friday
the Thirteenth horror movies where you have so many Jason
Death's body changes. They try and change the powers and
the lore and make other characters the killers, but it
(11:44):
always goes back to Jason, he's a worm. At one
point he goes to space. Does all of that make
you feel less appreciative even though he's not in the
first movie, But say the second Friday the thirteenth or
the third one, when the Mask first shows up, do
you question your like of these movies?
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So as iconic as Jason Vorhees is and becomes in
that mask and whatnot, I think there's a pretty good
argument to be made that there's only one good Friday
the Thirteenth movie, the first one, and which he's not
even the killer in it. That said, that franchise is
defined by like the cheesy gorriness and like the over
to top shit. So I think there at that point
(12:25):
they could release any movie and it would fit in
with the franchise. So yes, you could argue it waters
down that first one, because that's a legitimately great horror movie.
From there on out they become kind of crazy, stupid slashers,
but that's sort of sort of what defines the rest
of the movies. So on the whole, I don't think
it taints the franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Gremlins two changes the genre of the film series. Director
Joe Dante was given complete control of the sequel after
the success of the first one. Mac, Do you believe
that Gremlins two takes the piss out of Gremlins One?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah, I think there's a perfect example of it, because
Gremlins one isn't quite a kid's movie, but there's some there's.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It's that fun horror elements. It's kind of a Christmas movie.
There's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Art in that story. Yeah, and then they take it
in a complete different direction. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And so I think this is the perfect example of
a movie that taints a franchise or taints a first movie,
because you would expect, I mean, that first one is
still a classic, but you would expect the magic of
that first one to carry on and it just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
But the second one is a classic for a different
reason of And this is kind of like Joker Folia do.
This is the one that I think compares it like
the most where it just changes what it is and says, oh,
you like the first one, You're a fucking idiot, But
this one is like it's clever in the fact that
they said, oh, you really like that first movie, this
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is something that you're not gonna like.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
That whole audience we roped in with this, Yeah, instant classic.
We're gonna say fuck you and create something completely different.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Which is kind of like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And then
I think it's the second one where Toby Hooper then
made it a spoof like a he like the poster
is the Breakfast Club?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
No, the second one is very spoofy. And but that's
different though, because it almost works to a certain degree
in the second change Texas Chainsaw Masco for whatever reason,
that that's a little different.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
We've already spoken about the Friday the Thirteenth franchise. How
about Halloween, where I think you have an all time
classic as the first movie, and then just sequel after
sequel of New Lore they try and break off of Michael.
He dies at the end of h two. Oh does
he No, he's actually alive in Resurrection. Do you believe
(14:51):
that the Halloween sequels tarnish the first movie?
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, as much as I like the second movie here
so if the second movie I think could have been
great if they just never connected Laurie and Michael. Yeah,
it just stood as its sequel as he gets away
at the end of the first movie, isn't it? And
is still terrorizing or getting revenge on Laurie. It works,
(15:16):
but connecting them and making them siblings led the rest
of the franchise down their stupid fucking path, leading to
these Zoltan type fucking characters. And that is a perfect
example of a sequel and sequels that completely taint the franchise.
And I mean they've it tainted it so much that
(15:37):
we've had two reboots that have been trying to get
rid of those original sequels, and they still haven't been
able to do it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What I also hate, too, is that you try and
watch the original movie and I think I'm kind of
like over this hump now, but watching it with having
in the back of your mind that Laurie is related,
Like it takes a little bit out of it. You
like him to just be the shape the boogeyman who
came to town, but then you're like, oh, you're stuck
in his sister.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Right right, And like that second movie has all the
elements to be a great horror movie and I really
enjoy it, I like it more than most, but them
putting that one, Like if you just remove that and
the movie still existed the way it does without the
plot point that they're related.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, it's a much better movie, how about. And we've
already mentioned Joker a couple of times. That's the reason
why we're doing this episode. But Todd Phillips also has
done sequels for The Hangover that have been criticized, the
second one for being pretty much the same movie as
the first one. Maybe he doesn't have the same heart,
not as funny. And then the third one is Banana Land.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah, so I guess because of all the money that
the first movie made, a sequel was inevitable. But if
you look at all those classic two thousands comedies, the
only other one that got a sequel was Anchorman, and
that sequel wasn't good, Like they all existed and just
stayed the way they were. This would be like making
a sequel to Step Brothers for instance. Actually we ended
(17:03):
up getting one for Borat two. That didn't work out either.
I think it diminishes that first movie because that movie
was like a time and Place twenty ten, a moment
that that really only works in that time and place.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I thought Hangover to it was it?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Nine?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I did?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
It was nine.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Let's put the difference, And then that type of comedy
just got less and less funny as we went on,
and it also spawned a lot of copycats.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
On top of that.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Project X is a good example of like a a
PG thirteen or a younger generation hangover type of movie. Yeah,
I they the second one is watchable.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The third one is like, what how did we The.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Second one really just hammers home the same jokes though.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, yeah, it was like, all right, we'll do one last.
It's like when you go on a final bachelor party
for your one friend that's still unmarried.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's it's sort of that, oh, you like the first one,
how about we do that again? And you just mentioned Anchorman.
I didn't have it on this list. I didn't think
that because it's more of a legacy sequel. It's almost
ten years after the first one. I would question more
like the Ron Burgundy, the character popping up at ROAs
or having his own podcast as something that it doesn't
(18:14):
taint the first movie. For me, the first movie is
just a classic to me.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
No, it still is, and because it is so, that's
one of those examples of the first movie is so great,
it's going to transcend all the shittiness that's come after it.
And there has been a lot of shittiness, that that
character has really run its course and it is somehow
still popping up. That Ron Burgundy podcast is one of
the worst things.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Don't you dare say that? Don't you Dare? iHeartRadio, We
love you Mac. Have you seen the Highlander movies?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Okay, so I have seen parts of the first one,
and then during my research, this is the one that
pops up as the sequel that really like goes out
of its way to be different than the first one
and kind of ruins things Highlander to the quick. Apparently
what they do is they now say that the immortals.
I'm not really sure what those I'm blanking a lot
(19:07):
on Highlander, but they're actually aliens. That sounds terrible. Remember
that first movie, It's not what you thought it was.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, remember that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
That's that's a little bit of what Halloween does. Actually, yeah,
gets it, gets it into spiritual shit.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Oh yeah, Halloween six, it's got the little triangle on
his wrist. Zultan Zultan Indiana Jones where we do have
three movies that are pretty consistent, but then once they
bring it back on the legacy side of it, it
becomes more of a superhero.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I would say that they turned them into a superhero
early on. It works. It works the more you think
about it, though it doesn't. Just don't think about it.
They turned India into a superhero rather quickly. He does
some pretty outlandish things. It is a little bit of
a diehard situation, except they are just better written movies.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I suppose it works.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think that the first three or the last two
sequels that we got for being how poor they are,
it makes me appreciate how the first three works so well.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I still haven't seen the fifth one.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I have zero zero goes back in.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Time, and that's because it Wreckcon's my favorite of the series,
Crystal Skull.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Have you seen Independence Day two?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
No? I have not.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
They didn't have Will Smith.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, that seems like a mistake.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I also did not see this. But the but the
threat in two is so much bigger, which then kind
of diminishes the threat of one. But the first movie
I haven't seen. Maybe that's the whole the thing. Just
don't see sequels.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Here's here's the thing. How good you have a threat
bigger than a world ending threat?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
What if there's two worlds?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Okay, parallel universe We're.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Going to destroy the Earth and the Moon.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And Earth two. Yeah. I mean if you destroy the Earth,
it would destroy the Moon because it would lose its orbit.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
What if you just destroyed the Moon and then Earth,
the tides would all collapse upon each other.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Tides yep, and we'd get hit by more asteroids and
comets and shit.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because the Moon has a laser gun on it that
protects us.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The mood serves as a shield for the Earth. Go on,
dark side of the Moon has thousands of asteroid and
comet hits on it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh, I think you go to tell me that Pink
Floyd predicted all of this, all right, Mac Jaws Jaws
the first one, nineteen seventy five, absolute classic. But then
we and this is actually one of the movies that
kind of brought us into where we are now with
the sequels. You have a big blockbuster movie. We need
to capitalize on this. We need ripoffs and we need sequels.
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By the end of it, you have a telekinetic shark
that is connected to the Brody family. But that does
not take away from the magic of the first movie.
I look at it as just a stand alone The
other movies don't count it's a different show. The shark
get's blown up at the end of the first one.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I would say that the other movies are so bad
in thiss franchise that it almost makes it its own
FRANCHISEE you have like Jaws and then the Jaws.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Sequels, they're separate.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
It Also, Jaws is such a significant film in general
and for so many people that it's it would be
like impossible to ruin that movie.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
First one's nineteen seventy five. I think the final sequel
was around like the late eighties early nineties.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think it was eighty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I want to say, we haven't gotten any word or
attempt of a Jaws remake which tells you how good
the first movie is.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Do you think that there is some temptation to subtitle
Deep Lucy as a jazz.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Story call in Jaws with Brains A shock?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Eate me, a fucking shock, eate me.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
It's a good impression. I thought Samuel L. Jackson was here. Also,
keep in mind that in the second Jaws movie, the
mayor is still the mayor.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, corrupt politics.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I did read a good article earlier that he probably
used the events of Jaws one to you know, then
trick the people into voting for him again, Like, hey,
I handled the shark the first time.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I think he's a rather solid lad these days. But
George W. Bush got reelected because of the immediate events
following nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And you could argue that's what happens in just.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Two things about George W. Bush. Yeah, we're getting poly
charged here, guys. Number One, he's a painter. He likes
to paint. Number two, speaking of paint, he paints the black.
He threw that fucking ball sixty feet six inches.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Over many years, we've been waiting for that joke.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It just came to me, and I'm really excited about you.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think George W. I got no complaint. We were
too young to really have an opinion on politics when.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
We were twelve years old. We were just aware that
things were going on.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
He was not liked very well by many prior to
that horrible event, and then he became beloved by many,
and then it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Kind of went back down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Shall we talk about Joker really quickly or just say
yay or nay, because we just talked about Joker two
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I mean, so for me, someone that was like sort
of teetering on the first Joker movie HM, which appreciated
it for Joaquin Phoenix's performance and the idea of the
movie had it not been attached to DC lore, I
think that went all out the window with the second movie,
and I'm and I think maybe that's why, Like if
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I listened to Dork's review as well, and they like,
they hated this movie more than I did. You hate
this movie more than I did the second movie I'm
talking about, but I liked the first movie less than
all three of you. So I think for me, it
made that first one go way down because I was
already just like kind of justifying it with Joaquin's performance. Well,
the performance still exists in this movie, and this is
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dog shit, So to me, the whole thing is now
dog shit.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you think that Todd Phillips did not like the
fans of the first movie, because that's also been talked
about now too.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, that's like a prevailing conspiracy. There's just there's two
much that stake and too much money on the line
for that to be true.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Let's move on to the Jurassic Park franchise, where you
have an absolute classic, a forty dogger with the first movie,
and then every movie you go down down, a little
bit of a bump maybe, and then down, down, down.
At the end of Jurassic Park three, we see Dino's
leaving the island, but that's not discussed in Jurassic World
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at all. And then also after the events of say
Jurassic Park two, where a t Rex gets loose in
San Diego, why would you then reopen another park twenty
thirty years later? Yet we do? Are you able to
separate that first Jurassic Park movie from the sequels?
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I really enjoyed Jurassic World, and I have to acknowledge
the fact that the lore in the Jurassic Park universe
is very inconsistent and to your points, it's like nothing
really makes sense. Now we've tried this like four times,
Why are we still doing this shit with dinosaurs?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I do think like.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
If it did exist in the real world, you would
see the greed and shit that exists in that universe.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, but man, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I have a hard time with this one because Jurassic
Park is such a classic movie. But I feel like
the sequels like definitely bring it down because they're all
hearkening back to that first one.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, they all also get back to the same dinosaurs.
Give us new how many dinosaurs were there?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Great? Question great?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Maybe also a different dinosaurs.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Bill failed to realize.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Is like there's like two, if not at least three
distinct errors of dinosaurs that dinosaurs exist in thousands and
thousands of years apart, and some on screen dinosaurs we've
seen come together never actually existed together on this earth.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
So there's a lot of inaccuracies in dinosas.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't even care about dinosaurs, but like, just give me,
give me different dinosaures myself, give me different dinosaurs. There's
a lot of dinosaurs choose from.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I think I'm just over over dinosaurs. I just I'm
over SDA Sweet Dotto. Actually it doesn't do it for
me anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Mac. The first Lego movie from twenty fourteen, question mark.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Maybe even earlier, I might have been fourteen thirteen or fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Classic amazing movie. I think it's like right hundred percent
on rotten to make, I would.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Say a forty dog movie.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But because of the success of that movie, within three
or four years we got four other Lego movies. Do
you believe that the abundance of Lego movies kind of
watered down the first one.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
In this instance, I don't because Lego has the licenses
to so many ips that they had. They almost had
to keep seeing these things through the Ninjago shit. I
don't care about. That was kind of after we had
grown up. We didn't really play with Ninjago shit. Like
Lego Batman's pretty good. The rewatchability is not great, but
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like like that, For example, the Pharrell biopic cut that
comes out this month is a Lego movie. Like, I'm
still okay with the Lego movies, and I wonder if
it's just because I'm still a simp for Lego.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I still love Lego, I know I have.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I don't think the Lego sequels have tainted the first movie.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
The First Matrix is a groundbreaking movie that blew everyone's
mind in nineteen ninety nine. The second one had some
pretty good stuff in it, and then third one went
to shit, and then we got a Legacy sequel later
on that was also not very good. Do you believe
that the sequels took the piss out of the first
one a little bit?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's got iconic scenes and it was a pretty groundbreaking movie.
I don't think really people are going back to rewatch
the Matrix, which you would think people would for as
significant as it did.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
People don't talk about it enough as being a classic movie.
That's my big issue with it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
It's instant classic, and within four or five years a
lot of that went away because four years later the
third movie had come out and was terrible. It's a
really bad movie. And the second one is solid, it's solid,
it moves it along. The third one's terrible.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So within a five year span, you had the highs
of all the.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You know, of an instant classic in a groundbreaking movie,
to the depths of hell Boy where people are like,
I think I'm over this Matrix stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Men in Black. At the end of the first Men
in Black movie, Tommy Lee Jones was mind wiped and
turned into a mailman, and then for the second movie
they brought him back.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And then Men in Black three we find out that
Kay was there when Jay's dad died, which.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Was meant in the Superman video or in the Lose
Yourself video. He was in the back.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
The Men in Black sequels aren't good.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I don't think it taints the movie though, I
think because it's such a ridiculous premise. Anyways, Yeah, I
don't think these these sequels taint that first.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
One, Son of the Mask. People point to this as
maybe being the worst scene equal of all time, starring
Jamie Kennedy. Do you believe that that movie taints the
first movie at all? Because I do not.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I also don't think some of the mess came out
in the theaters. I think it was like a straight
to DVD movie. I could be wrong about that. I
think there wasn't much fanfare around this and that first movie,
maybe just because of Cameron Diaz's Red Dress stays a top.
I that movie does not get tainted for me.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Let's see, if it was a theater release it was,
how much did it make? I did not ask that,
so I don't know. I just asked if it was
a theater release and it was eighteenth, two thousand and five,
bit of a legacy sequel two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I would have said two thousand and two, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It is, And no, it makes me appreciate how good
the first one is.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Great villain, but again, Cameron Diaz in the Red Dresses,
I mean that is an all time memorable movie.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
People look at Space Jam a new legacy, as a
cash grab that just threw a bunch of products on
the screen and said, here you go. I would argue
that the first Space Jam does the exact same thing.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Some of the mask made sixty million dollars on a
one hundred million dollar budgets.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's pretty bad, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I have not seen the second Space Jam.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I think you could argue it does tarnish the legacy
strictly because the classic Space Jam website had to do
Space Jam oh rash like ninety six.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, that really pissed me off.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think people just have an issue with Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's for sure. I actually don't even have an issue
with Lebron. I have an issue with touching. That's another
time and place thing. That movie is so nineteen ninety six.
It should have just been left in its own world.
Don't make sequels to that.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Speed two Cruise Control And when I watched the First
Speed movie, I don't even think about this one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, never seen it, never will. The First Speed movie
admittedly doesn't hold up well, but it's it's a nineties classic.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
The second Speed's on a boat, It could be anything.
It could be a boat. Spider Man three. The one
thing that I do not care for in this movie
is the ret conning of Uncle Ben's death. But other
than one thing, well, no, like when connecting it to
the other movies, the Spider Man one and two, but otherwise,
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like I don't think it really tarnishes the other two movies.
It tarnishes it as like a trilogy, Like now you
don't look at it as a classic trilogy anymore.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Otherwise it does.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It does royally fuck up a beloved character in Venom,
So that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, at least they're making up for it now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
It also maybe halted some other plans they were gonna
have Spider Spider Man planned. That movie was so bad
that they sort of just stopped that, and we did
end up with the MCU what five years later, So
maybe that's that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
No, I thought Spider Man three was two thousand and seven,
wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Is it that late? Iron Man two two two, Spider
Man three might be five? Alright?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, because Spider Man's O one, because X Men is
two thousand, spider Man two is three.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Spider Man three was two thousand and seven?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Was it two thousand and seven? Oh?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yes, that's what Google tells me. Spider Man two was
two thousand and four and the first one was two
thousand and ten.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
So hold on. The first ghost Rider come out in
two thousand and seven is.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Ghost Rider in the Sky. That's an underrated song. Give
it up for Johnny Cash.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, Spider Man three, it does taint that that franchise
in the movie.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
All right, how about this, and don't spend too much
time on it. I don't want to talk about your
hatred of Ryan Johnson for too long. Okay, I want
to ask you this does the entire trilogy, the entire
sequel trilogy, how it came together, how they had two
different directors, It's being pulled all over the place. Does
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that taint anything for you? Star Wars wise.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Uh, you don't want to talk about the prequels at all.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So I'll people got a new appreciation for the prequels
because of how messy this one was.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, maybe that's true.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And the Clone Wars also, you know, helped help the
law in those those prequels. To me, as I get
older and the more I interact with Star Wars fans,
and the more Star Wars media I consume. I think
Star Wars is best viewed through a lens like you
have to take into consideration the age in which.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You viewed these movies.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Because when we saw the prequels, we we liked them.
We were ten, twelve, fifteen, my dad's age, who grew
up loving the original movies kind of hated them, and
I think we're in that cycle now. We saw this
sequel trilogy, we kind of hated it. Now I hated
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one movie and then as a result liked the third
one so much because it's shit on the second one's chest.
But that's that trilogy was a nightmare. So this sort
of seems to be this cycle with Star Wars fans
where they have these expectations or these feelings towards the
franchise that got built up during their childhood. Yeah, and
you're sort of shooting for unrealistic expectations, which is really
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unfair to Star Wars. However, it has been such a
popular property for so long. It's just it is the
way it is. And now they're in this realm where
they're making television shows, some of them really bad, some
of them fantastic, and it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
People are loving them and people are hating them.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I don't, I'm just there's certainly people have Star Wars fatigue.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I have Star.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Wars argument fatigue. Like I'm just like, I'm done arguing Star.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Wars with people. It's just not worth it. It's just not
worth it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Palpatine has returned the Terminator movies te in T two
the perfect conclusion at the end of T two, where
Judgment Day has been it's gone, but retconned into it's
been delayed.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
This one's tough because Terminative movies already deal with time
travel so inevitably.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
We were like, gonna go down there.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're gonna muddy timelines as you keep going.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yeah, So I don't think it really taints those first
couple of movies because this seemed inevitable.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I also only consider the first two movies as movies
that I'll watch. I don't watch anything after that, and
they are.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Very separate, and they came out years and years apart.
But that's when you when you're deal with time travel initially,
you just you know that's gonna be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I see a lot of people and I really liked
this movie, but people think that the the fourth Toy
Story movie kind of taints the end of three, where
the end of three Toy Story three, by the way,
is you give away the toys and you are moving on.
Yet you're not moving on. You're then going back to
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this world and dealing with these same toys, just a
different owner.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yeah, we moved on from the kid that grew up that,
I mean, that makes sense. You know my stance on this,
I think Toy Story three borderline ruined the franchise.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Toy Story four I really enjoyed, gave it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I'm that you can't enjoy the movie. But what I'm saying, though,
is like you're tainting the end of what we just got,
the beautiful end of three.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, because that would be like saying toys have a
finite time of being viable, and it's just not true.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
How many how.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Many times are going back? That's what I'm saying though,
How many days? How many times are we going back?
Or do you see online people finding their their toy
backs from when they're younger and bringing up toys from
their childhood they and still invoking those feelings. That's toys
exist forever, and the feelings that young kids have to
towards toys like your old toy is my new toy,
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and that's what this that's what this story is similar.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
But not to X Men or to Spider Man three
would be the X Men series, where it seems like
there is just such a jumble of great movies, mid
movies and then real shit movies. Do the bad ones taint?
How you look at the X Men movies? Also, how
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like Marvel, the MCU has done a better job with
their heroes that like a more consistent job at least,
then say what the X Men movies did?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I would say that the X Men movies are by
far the biggest roller coaster ride out of all of these,
because X two is phenomenal. The first X Men movie
doesn't hold up that well, but it happened so long
ago and it was such an important movie.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Yeah you don't.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You don't even really criticize it too much. X three
not good.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think there's an argument there between X three and
Spider Man three, which ones worse, sort of in the
same playing field, But then they come out with first
class in Days of Future.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Past wine movies too.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
But yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, you're right, And like reinvigorate
the X Men franchise and the x Men movies. But
then we come up with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and
bring it back down to the ship level that it
saved it from, and it's like, Logan make the same mistakes. Yeah,
and then we get Logan Yeah yeah, dead dead Pool, Wolverine,
and the Deadpool movies.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So work, I guess we're back on the up. It's
a hell of a roller coaster.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I also kind of look at how X Men the
animated series, both the original run and ninety seven do
such a great job with those characters, and then something
always feels, not always, but most of the time like
it's missing from the X Men movies.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, I a little bit like so the animated series
was also messy as well, So it might just be
an X Men thing that it's just bound to be
a messy franchise.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yes, Deadpool and Wolverine was an X Men movie and
Logan is an x Men movie. But the last two
we got with full teams were not good. Pol Apocalypse
was bad, and Dark Phoenix was horrible, So I guess
I would say we're still on the down.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Outside of Logan related stuff Mac.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Maybe my most disliked movie of all time would be
Zoolander two. Does Zulander two affect your viewing of the
first movie?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
It took a stance don't see it, don't see it,
don't see it.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I still haven't seen it.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
And uh, you know, legacy sequels are what they are,
but this one was like Zoolander is a fucking stupid
premise for a movie and in parts based off of
parts of an SNL sketch, sketch.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
They're lucky it worked the first time.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
There was no way it was gonna work the second time,
and it didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
And mac sec could be anything, it could be about Mac.
We were discussing best Buy and Target. Earlier in the episode.
You were targeted on social media sponsored ad? A sponsored ad?
Can you just can you show the people slash tell us.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
What it was?
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Let me pull it up on my phone. So I'm
scrolling through, and don't get me wrong, I might be
the one to.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Blame for this. I have a terrible Internet search history.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm just enjoying my morning on Instagram, trying to catch
up on shit and lo and behold about the fourth
post down? I get this from Target and it says
Christmas small striped glass ornament, tree, blue threshold. They're telling
me this is a Christmas ornament coup.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I'd be afraid to get that because I might lose it.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I don't know if you've seen an adult video or two,
but that looks like something else entirely, And there's no
fucking way that. When they were designing that ad, there
was two or three people in the room, like.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Do they not do they not see what this is?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It reminds me of the pup plug.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Guys. It's a plug that they're disguising as an ornament.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm sitting across from Sue Joe Hansen right now. It
reminds me of college days. You know, you order one
blow up doll as a joke, and then suddenly you
are just your your email and you're you're seeing you're
inundated with Hey, do you want to buy this sex toy?
Now it's like, well, the first one was a joke.
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It was a joke, guys.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, but once you click on the targeted ads too,
you just get like a thousand more targeted ads.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's like, fuck, why did I click on that?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah? Did you buy it.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I might never put up a Christmas tree again if
in the future I have a wife and kids and
they want to. By all means, I'm over Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So what is today's dates? Today is twenty twenty four.
It is October, So two weeks from Saturday, I'm putting
up my Christmas tree.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
What is that? November?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What second?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
A full three four weeks before Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So huh. When do you start putting gifts under the tree?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Depends on when I buy them, and it depends on
who it's for. If it's for my son, the answer
is no, because those are not from me. And then
if it's from my wife, I usually hide them as well.
It's gifts that are for my family.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So, okay, do you just keep Raffie's gifts downstairs in
the attic?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, in the attic.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah. He's too afraid to go up in the attic,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Oh no, he wants to go up there, but it's
too big of a message. I can't do it. I
can't do it.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You should let him go up there, but make it
a trap, scare him.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
My attic right now is kind of a trap. It's
a death trap. It's a lot of stuff up there.
I need to clean. Okay, but the issue now, so
I need to in my apartment. I need to hang
three ceiling fans, and I also need to clean my attic.
The issue is that on the weekends I watch my son,
so I can't even do this on the weekends. I
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need to take time off of work and have like
the house to myself to do any of this.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Have you considered tying them up just for a little bit,
don't tell Baddy about it.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Have you considered buying a cage.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Or I don't know. Have him pretend to help you
and it'll occupy you.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I don't want him near the electrical slash. I don't
want to want them near my tools or anything my tools.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
All right, I'll tell you you have more electrical skills
than I because you dabbled in that field for a
little bit. I tried replacing an outlet in my house.
Didn't work.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
You turn the power off first.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I even have the tester that goes in the plug,
and then you go down to the panel and figure
out which one it is. So I thought I had
got it initially right, and then I wonder if I
shorted it out somehow because the wires might have touched.
I also live in an old apartment, not as old
as yours and Tube No, but it's very old wiring,
So I wonder if I maybe fucking broke it inside
(44:57):
of the thing.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
So I don't know. I just once, once I fucked
it up, I took it all out. I was still
able to return it to Home Depot.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Home Depot is the best.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, got my fifty three dollars back or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
But I would love it if the employees of Home
Depot hated lows.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I bet they do.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I bet they do, and I hope they do.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
You know, and now I'm thinking about it. Target Verse
Best Buy Red Verse Blue. You have orange Verse Blue
with lows versus Home of Deep, opposite colors.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
I like that. Mac.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Where can the people find us?
Speaker 3 (45:26):
You can find us on Twitter and on Instagram at
Mac and Goo podcasts every other platform. We are Mac
ampersand Good's Max seven Goo That includes Facebook, Stitcher, tune in,
cashbuckspeak a, Google Play, iHeartRadio. We are on Spotify, but
more importantly we're on Apple podcast. Get on there, rate review,
subscribe five stars if you do that we'll get you
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Speaker 1 (45:53):
Don't let the A on this, Tamu Soalani Jersey throw
you off the scent that I am the captain of
this podcast.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
So you're really the Paul Korea.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yep, I'm the Paul Korea.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I'm just assuming he was the captain. He had to
have been the captain, right.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Paul Korea definitely was Okay, you don't deserve an A.
You're not getting an A. What do you mean you're
not getting an A? Come on, we'll have to talk
about it. I'm not just gonna give you an A.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah, but all it is is when you're out, I
run the ship, which is partial.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
You didn't even put an episode out last week when
I was.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
I got my identity stolen? What the fuck do you
want for me? I spent hours on the phone with
fucking credit card companies.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I spent hours on the phone with Melissa McCarthy and
Jason Bateman. I couldn't figure out what was going on.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I have the address, by the way, I have it's
an Alabama address.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Oh I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
If I had less to lose in this world, I
would fucking I would. I'd go down there. I would
go down there.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I said.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
I got his email. I don't know if it's a
him or her. I got an email and an address.
I sent an email to the email. I said, hey, motherfucker,
stop using my information. I have filed fraud alerts with.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
X y Z. And when the FTC no response.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Not to uh docs the email. But was it a
was it mister Soco sixty nine?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
No?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
And this is how I know it's a fucking, a
fucking bullshit artist.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
It was a hotmail.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Account, well done, well done because it spelled h O
T M A l E. There you go. We're just
spelt differently. Sometimes they mean different things. Go buy some
stuff on tea public join us next week for a
news dump, and then I know you want to see
The Wild Robot and Night. Yeah, we'll do that, and
(47:32):
then there's some other movies I want to talk about,
so we'll do that. Oh No, next week is Venom
Venim Venom Last.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Dance Tuesday night screening. I might be working. Fuck hope
you aren't. Yeah, I might be working.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
All right, we'll figure it out then. All right, so
Tuesdays are Guesdays. I Abuse Kangaroos.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Bye Burton.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Please flip the cassette over to side B to continued
the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampolines.
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