November 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Late Sunday evening, the Senate voted 60-40 to advance legislation to end the longest government shutdown. Eight Democrats joined most Senate Republicans to advance the bill. The majority of Senate Democrats opposed moving forward with the deal because it does not address the health care tax credits, which has been their main arguing point throughout the shutdown fight. The timing of final passage of the revised package remains unclear as the legislation still needs a final Senate vote and House approval. We discussed the latest congressional efforts made to end the ongoing government shutdown!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Nightside with Dan RAYBSY, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
My great thanks to Brian short Slave and Bill from
Cape cod for throwing a couple of questions at my guest.
I thought those were two incredibly infullmative hours. Dean Bill
Fitzimmons of Harvard and Dean Great Goslin of Boston College.
They really gave you an insight. If you took the
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time to listen to the two hours, and if you
missed him, you can go to Knightside and demand. Anytime
tomorrow morning, Rob on the Overnight will post those hours.
Just go to Knightside and demand it'll be part one
and part two. They they really did cover the waterfront.
I think that if you literally had a base of
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no knowledge about the college application process, there was a
lot to learn. So I think again greatly, Bill fitz
Simmons of Harvard. We just did our nineteenth annual college
Admissions Panel. I happen to think that's one of the
most important programs that we do during the course of
the year, that as well as our charity combine. When
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we tend to end the year, I'm not sure if
we're going to do the charity combine this year. It's
a lot of work. We'll have to figure that one out.
There's so many different topics we need to consider and cover.
But as they say, Bill fitz Simmons in Grant Goslin,
who today he's been functioning as the Dean of Admissions,
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the equivalent of the Dean of Admissions at Boston College
and today formally named the Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid.
So it gave you a good sense of those two schools.
But from those schools, it gives you a sense of
the number of options people have, and young people have.
I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get some high
school students. Other years we've had high school students call,
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and sometimes their questions are the best because they're right
in the middle of the fray. Now tell you who
else is in the middle of the fray. The United
States Congress, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives,
And it was just reported on the WBC newscast. The
Senate now tonight has passed legislation to reopen the government.
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That piece of legislation will have to go back to
the House of Representatives. There were eight Democrats who after
this longest government shutdown and will add a few days.
It's not going to be formally resolved. Assuming it is
for a couple of more days, at least, the House
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will not come back in session until Wednesday, and then,
assuming that there are no changes in the piece of
legislation passed by the Senate tonight, it goes on to
the to the House, and the House is even more
sharply divided than the Senate in the In the Senate
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there were eight well, there were seven Republicans, along with
independent Angus King of Maine, two New Hampshire Senators Jean
Shaheen and Maggie Hassen, two former governors which may have
contributed to their willingness to end this shutdown or at
least vote to end the shutdown, along with two Senators
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from Nevada, Catherine Cortes Mosto and Jackie Rosen, as well
as Dick Durbin, who is number two or three in
the Senate. There have been some suggestions that Durbin was
going to vote off in terms of the Democrat's position.
John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, who has voted with the Republicans
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for several of these votes, I think tonight might have
been However, you want to count and vote number fifteen
or sixteen, and then Tim Kine of Virginia kin who
was Hillary's running mate in twenty sixteen. They would represent
I guess what you would call the moderate faction within
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the Democratic Senate with the members of the Democratic Senate.
So the questions, the question that we have, and I'm
looking for your input, is where do we go from here?
Assuming that the House decides to vote to concur with
the Senate and send the bill on to the President.
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There are some elements here. I listened to Senator Shaheen
today and she said that it had gone on a
long time, nothing was happening. She is quoted in an
article here from NBC News which cleared just about seventeen
minutes ago. This is the only deal on the table.
It was our best chance to reopen the government and
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immediately begin negotiations to extend the ACA tax credits that
tends millions of Americans rely on to keep costs down.
So at this point, I would assume that if this
passes by Wednesday and signed by the President by Wednesday
or Thursday, that will resolve funding for several departments within
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the government. I believe that this this extension will go
to will will will extend through the end of January.
I haven't seen the legislation as finally was passed tonight,
but all fifty three Senate Republicans voted against, including a
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simple one year extension of the ACA funds proposed by
Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin in the funding bill, and
that vote did come up in the hours up to
the final passage. Again, there will be there will be
other political pressures that will be exhorted here in all directions.
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This is I think the Democrats. It's been suggested that
the Democrats caved. I don't particularly like that language, to
be really honest with you. It looks tonight as if
President Trump has been interviewed at the NFL football game
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tonight or one of the football games. Maybe it was
last night. I'm not sure. I'm just trying to absorb
as much. I've been focused on college applications. Anyway, Where
do we go from here at this point and what
are the implications. It's to me it's sort of ironic
that after the Democrats had had electoral success last Tuesday
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night in Virginia and in New Jersey for two governorships,
the sense was that the New Jersey governorship might have
been in play. I think that the shutdown hurt both
of the Republican candidates. Maybe they wouldn't have won those
seats either way. But there are now two Democratic governors
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elected in Virginia and New Jersey, as well as obviously
the the socialist elected in New York. UH. There's there's
going to be strong debate here on the the money
that will be available for people who are relying upon
Obamacare UH and the subsidies. How generous will those subsidies be.
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I think the Republicans intend to make a stand on those.
So I guess my question here is, did it really
take everything that we've seen transpire? Did it take the
the withholding of pah to UH to air traffic controllers?
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I mean, I don't see why there couldn't have been
a piece of legislation passed separately by both the House
and Senate to make sure that air traffic controllers were paid.
There were a lot of the air traffic controllers who
apparently literally needed money.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
UH.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And now do I think some of them called in
sick to make a statement. Sure, but I also think
that many of them had to take some other jobs.
It was reported that they were taking jobs as uber
drivers uh to to get some money. I mean, that's
not a great way to uh to to watch how
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our government it's you know, it's it's trillions of dollars.
It's trillions of dollars. So I just want to open
it up and see if you feel the shutdown was
worth it, if you'd like to offer an opinion as
to whether it is of greater help to the Democrats
or the Republicans, or if it's a greater hindrance to
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the Democrats or the Republicans. I think we're going to
see a real difference in the debates in the next
few weeks as all of this is joined. I think
it should it could have begun on October first. I
don't think that the shutdown wasn't necessary. The inconvenience that
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people have suffered who have been traveling, and the inconvenience
of people will suffer because the airlines are going to
take some time to get back to their full schedules.
It'll take some time I suspect where the air traffic
controllers will be fully staffed as well. Thank goodness that
there was no calamity and I think that the Transportation
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Department did the right thing in recent days by cutting
back flights in this country and limiting the number of
flights in this country. Look, it's one thing for people
to be inconvenienced, which was horrible. I think we made
a mistake in Massachusetts. I think that the better course
that Governor Healy should have taken would have been to
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have immediately taken away all of the questions about SNAP
funding and made SNAP funding available with the money that
we have here in Massachusetts in the Rainy Day Fund.
So we've talked about it a lot. I just want
to open up the phone calls. You can take the
conversation in any direction you want. Tell me who who
you think had the better of this. This shutdown, if
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you will, the longest in history six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
This is what I'd prefer to talk about between now
and midnight, because it will be the story of the
day tomorrow and it's breaking news literally while were on
the air. I'm in a bit of a disadvantage because
I can't watch it emerging live. But maybe some of
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you would like to express an opinion on it. All
I have to do is give us a call six one, seven, two,
five four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Whether you're here in New England with
WBZ is located, or anywhere around the country, feel free
to join the conversation back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
All right, we have ten twenty three, ten twenty three.
I believe it's a ten ten twenty four. Just turn
ten twenty four on a Monday night. Cold weather coming
around later on this evening and into tomorrow, so we're
going to get a little bit of a taste of winter.
So what I want to talk about, And again sometimes
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I find that on Nightside, when we talk about something
that is actually happening, that people are not caught up
on it. You've watched the government shutdown and the implications
thereof you've seen the snap benefits are delayed, and even
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even in the last ten days and the ten days
since November one, we had some rulings by federal judges
here in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. It's interesting to me
to see how confusing these rulings are and obviously the
efforts to appeal, and the Supreme Court actually was about
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to get involved. I think all of that is now moot,
that that has resolved. So I think that Snap beneficiaries,
people who rely upon Snap benefits can relax at this point,
assuming that this all goes according to plan. But did
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we really have to go through this would be the
question that I would like to ask all of you
whether or not you're somebody who realizes upon Snap benefits
to get food and you know, look how it's difficult
for most. I know there were forty two million Americans
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who rely on Snap benefits, but for those of us
who do not and who were blessed enough not to
rely upon Snap benefits, you have to have some empathy.
Now I realized that there's some concern as to is
all of those forty two million Americans legitimate or are
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there people who should not be taking advantage of a
program that's well, all well and good. We can talk
about that, but was it necessary to put those forty
two million Americans? And I assume that every one of
those families was reliant on food pantries for a few days,
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and in many states, people Snap benefits have automatically here
in Massachusetts have gone on to their cards. I think
all of that political back and forth between Governor Heale
and President Trump and governors in other states some I
don't know how productive it was. Maybe it's what we
had to go through to get the situation resolved to
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one extent or another. Either way it you know, it
doesn't reflect a lot of glory on any of the
politicians in Washington. They know these deadlines are coming, they
know that certain things have to be done, and yet
they continue along. The House has been away for a
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few days. Speaker Johnson has decided. He decided to send
his his members home or give them the opportunity to
go home. He summoned them back now for a vote
on Wednesday, and my suspicion is that that vote will
accomplish what it's intended to v to accomplish, that the
government will be back in business and that workers who
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have been furloughed will be paid. Workers who have been terminated,
as I understand it, amongst the agreement that workers who
were terminated and fired, they will be their jobs will
come back. The whole Obama insurance premiums, that's going to
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be the raging debate of the next few few weeks.
Airports will eventually come back to normal. We may not
buy tomorrow, but it'll come back within I guess a week.
Certainly it'll come back well in time for the Thanksgiving
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travel rush. There will be a vote on healthcare, although
I guess. Speaker Johnson was said tonight that he is
not bound by the promises that the Senate made, but
I think it would be well. He would be well
advised to go along with the Senate. As I said,
the workers who have been fired according to this agreement
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in the Senate will be rehired. President Trump is said
he will abide by this. If he's abiding by the
Senate agreement, then furloled workers will be returned to their jobs.
Workers who were fired, furlough workers would be paid. Workers
who were fired will be rehired. And again the chaos
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at the airport. If I had been traveling in the
last few days, I would have been probably as upset
as anyone, because this is eminently foreseeable, and it was
eminently preventable. If our politicians were were concerned about anything,
But again, so many of them seemed to be in
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a in a different class and that goes across party lines,
by the way, it's Republicans and Democrats. They I would
think that there should be a law that would be
passed that any time there is a government shutdown, members
of the Senate in the House, at a minimum, they
should not be paid, simple as that. If that is
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what is needed. That's the one proposal I would like
to lay on the table that going forward, if there
is a government shutdown, members of the House and Senate,
who obviously are the cause of the shutdown, will not
be paid. However long the shutdown lasts, I suspect there
will be then no shutdowns, and if they are, they'll
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be very quick, very brief. That is a that is
a rule, a regulation that I would hope someone in
the Senate, someone in the House of Representatives would seriously
put put forward because I think that would be that
would be a reform that would be appreciated by a
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lot of people. Okay, we're going to get to the phones.
I promise we've got the newscast six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten
thirty Jump on board. What do you expect? Who are you?
Who are you most angry? At or are you angry
at anything? Maybe you have gone along and this has
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not affected you. Well, I'm angry that it's affected other people.
It's unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
These folks run for office. They're competent. Uh As they're
competent enough to form a campaign committee and get elected,
which is no small feet, they should be competent enough
to work together and resolve matters in his timely fashion.
That's my argument. I'd love to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten
thirty Coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the Senate has voted to end the shutdown, but
if there's still some obstacles to overcome. As a matter
of fact, tonight, just reading a little bit more of
this NBC news piece that I mentioned earlier. House Minority
Leader Hakim Jeffries, Democrat of New York said, House Democrats
are focused on dealing with the bill that's coming over
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from the Senate to the House, and we're going to
fight hard to defeat it. So Jeffries is going to
be take a hard position and if he can hold
his entire Democratic delegation in the House, that it's a
very close vote in the House. Asked if the shutdown
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was worth it, Jefferies said, Democrats waged a battle on
behalf of the American people. Do you believe that? Do
you believe that he waged a battle on behalf of
the American people? The forty two million people who were
without benefits, snap benefits, nutritional benefits. He added, the fight
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lives on. Jeffries deferred to House minority whiped Catherine Clarke,
Democrat from Massachusetts, when asked if all Democrats will vote
against the bill, Well, if all Democrats vote against this
bill and there's a few Republicans and there are some
Maverick Republicans, I think Marylyn Taylor Green, that's you get
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a few of those and it gets defeated in the House,
then we're back to square one. So I don't know
if the shut down, if we can say it's over,
it certainly has taken a step in the right direction.
Let me go to John up in Maine. John your
thoughts on what's going on? How are you John?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I'm good, Dan, how are you well?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I was a little encouraged until I just read that
last last is that piece there, Dan.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I think the upside of the shutdown, yeah, was that
when the American people took a look at the fact
that the air traffic controllers, I mean, we almost lost
a plane or two during this thing. I mean, it's
it's it's the you know, it's the federal government's responsibility
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to manage the FAA. And I think because people flying,
they're Republicans, they're Democrats there whatever, you know, it's I
think it helps, you know, for people to look and
see just what we expect of the American government, what
do they do? And I also think your comment about
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the competence of these people in office is correct.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well again, I just think that we have a country,
we have a great democratic process. Why can't we debate
these issues and and and have the you know, we
learned in school about the great debates between you know,
this senator or that senator. And we know that we
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have the Ronald Reagan Tipp O'Neill model where they would
fight like cats and dogs during the day and then
at night to drink together. Now you have people in
the Democratic Party who I think are are pretty far
out there. And then you have I missed labeled Marjorie
Taylor Green. I don't think of her often, but I
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think we'll be talking about her in the next few
days because she she will do anything to grab the spotlight.
And if she can put together a cabal of five
or six Republicans who are as crazy as she is.
I mean when I say crazy, I mean politically is
you know, they're not going to go with the program,
then you have a Congress that is just totally dysfunctional.
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I mean we might get to that point. Look, I'm
not a snap beneficiary, but but my heart goes out
to those who for the last I don't know, the
last month, have have dreaded the possibility that their benefits
would go away. Uh and they did go away in
many states and even here in Massachusetts they went away
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for a period of time. So I don't know, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I just think that, Yeah, I think that these issues,
uh you know, the media covered it, it got covered,
you're covering it. It's it's bringing people into the process,
you know, the American people. That's who's going to you know,
change these congressmen and you know and politicians.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, that's the problem is that that they the
incumbency re election rate is extraordinarily high in this country,
which is a good thing. I mean, those members of
Congress say, hey, look, you know my vote my I'm
doing such a job, a good job. I get reelected
time after time after time. And maybe there's truth to that,
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but that I would like to get see some people
in there who would say, Okay, look what can we
do to make sure we take care of people who
really need help and at the same time somehow go
in and find the people who do not deserve the help,
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get them off the rolls, and deal with a thirty
seven to thirty eight trillion dollar federal debt that our
kids and grandkids are going to be able to hook for.
I mean, there's a real danger there. I mean, there's
it'd be wonderful to say, hey, anybody who wants to
sign up for freebies, no problem. We're a great country,
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we have a lot of money. Just sign people up
for as many freebies as possible. Can't do that. Can't
do that. And there's going to be a debate on
Obamacare how much subsidies are there. Can we give you
the same medical care to every American? Unfortunately not? I mean,
you know, when when senators and congressmen have to find
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the greatest, you know, doctor of whatever specialty they can
do that most of us can't do that, right. I mean,
it's horrible to think so, but but that's that is
a reality that we got.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
To deal with after after seventy nine years, I'm looking
at it and thinking, you know, ultimately it does go
back to the people. It goes back to you and
me and everybody else, you know, Uh, you know we
is it hard to get these people out of office
that should be out of office? Yeah, very hard, you know,
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with the incumbency and everything. But I think it's a
I think it's beginning to happen because people are becoming
more aware of what the government should be doing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And how you just had a member of you have
two members in the House too, of the Senate, one
of them Congressman Golden I think, said last week that
and I guess he's a kind of a moderate Democrat.
I would I would hope that now that he's not
running for reelection, uh, that he can vote to end
the shutdown. Be a Democratic vote that goes over and
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ends the shutdown. You know, I don't know what I
don't know what he's going to do. Since he's not
running for reelection, he can do it, he thinks is
absolutely right, without any considerations of his political future.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I thought what King did was also the independent up here.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, he showed his independence. He caucuses with the Democrats.
He's at his heart heart and soul is a Democrat.
But he he did the he did the right thing.
So hats off to I mentioned all of their names earlier, uh,
and I'll be happy to do it again. Both New
Hampshire senators who are Democrats. Uh, both former governors by
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the way, Shaheen and Hassan. They were amongst the eight
along with So there were three of the members here
from New England, and then you had two from from Nevada,
Catherine Cortes Masto and Jackie Rosen Durban from Illinois, Fetterman
from Pennsylvania, Tim Kane from Virginia. So those those are
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the eighth that got this thing back, at least for now,
back operating. We'll see what happens later this week.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
John, thank you so much, thank you, damn thanks appreciate.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You getting us going here, my friend. Thank you, have
a great night. All right. John is a really good caller.
And I think he raises issues that we need you
need to think about. I know the Patriots are important
everybody right now. I know that the Celtics are gonna
have a challenging year. I know that the Bruins, who
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are the Red Sox is going to get a picture.
I know all of that stuff is important people, and
it is important. I don't mean to diminish it, but
this is important to six one, seven, two, five, ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. Be
right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right after this, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Let's go out to the Great Northwest. Laurie is in Idaho. Laurie, welcome,
thanks for checking in tonight. What's your thought about these
recent developments.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Well, first and foremost, Schumer needs to go, and he
can take Clark with him with him. I just I mean,
he is, he is vile and his the victriol he
spews is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I have I haven't heard him tonight. Was there
something that he had said specifically tonight that you want
to respond to?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
No, no, all through this thing. Yeah, all through this thing?
And he just and he I don't know. I always think
he feels like the younger legislators in there, who could
you know, maybe learning and act like professionals, feel like
they can get away with not doing so because he's
like the mass on whatever he needs to go. So
this the whole thing is, I think an embarrassment. I
think both sides have fault, but definitely more more the
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little Democrats or like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, I'm not sure that that Schumer is looking at it.
I think that AOC is going to take a shot
at Schumer, and I think that Schumer has seen what
has happened in New York when AOC ran before, he's
seen what has seen what has happened. He actually endorsed
I believe that he was the no. I guess he didn't.
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I'm confused.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I don't think he had a good conversation with him
at one point after the election, but I don't think
he endorsed him.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, right, and it was Madami was endorsed.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I don't know that he was endorsed either by by
the House Speaker. I think that the House Speaker had
a I got someone will be able to tell me.
I got confused a little bit in terms of.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I I would not bet a lot of money as
to what he did. But I don't think he's going
to run for reelection. I think that that I would hope,
not that AOC sees it as this is her opportunity.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
She's going to be any better, but she's gonna she
certainly won't have the longevity, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, well, I don't know. But the question shoot myself
Pelosi last week step aside, So I'm sure he's well.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Yeah, well it's time, I mean, get some fresh blood
in there. But so something came up in one of
the news reports today. So I mean all this stuff,
I mean, these guys are collecting their paychecks for not
only are they you know, they're not even trying up
at work, Beau, nobody will do anything. And then they're
telling all the people in the nations, oh, I'm sorry
you can't get paid, or I'm sorry you can't get
your food assistance. And then so today they had some
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reports that people who had come to Boston, you know,
was coming up by Boston all the celebration of the
birth of the nation. And they interviewed a couple who
had come to do the Freedom Trail and to do
some of the great things that you can do in Boston.
They're part of the history of our nation, and they're
not open because the federal government is closed. So now
if they can get a plane back home, they haven't
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been able to do what they want. And so that's
disgusting to me, because you know, the legislators can't get
along in a sandbox. I mean, there's just no excuse for.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
This, I think, as well said by the way, I
did check it out here. Schubern did not endorse Mamdani.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
No, he didn't. Once he was elected. I think he
called him and you know, congratulated him or some darn thing,
but he did not endure.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and I believe that Jeffries did offer some sort
of an endorsement. I think that was the discussion between
between the two. But LORI thank you so much for
checking us in and you are a voice of reason,
there's no question. But I love you listening to the show,
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and and I love you calling in because you said
it very well. And I suspect that more people out
there feel as you do right now. I hear the
frustration in your voice and it's well, I think it's
it's yeah, No, absolutely, Thanks Laurie.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We'll talk, okay, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Let me go next to Ron and Newton. Ron, appreciate
your calling in your thoughts on what you've seen expire,
uh in the last day or so, and what you've
seen expire in the last month or.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So, I Dan, I am. It's so they are so
disgraceful to represent us, and it really has for a
long time. It greates me that they are not held
their deadlines. You know, I work in one of the
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most highly regulated professions in the country, and in terms
of having to accomplish, I can't maintain my license without
having X number of continuing education.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Credits.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Sure I'm held to. When I was at Masternal Hospital,
I was held to. They have different levels of payment,
so it's it's a merrittroker. That's system where you meet
certain standards and then you can then you can advance
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in your pay. One of my brother's works at IBM,
and if he didn't meet the deadline, his pay stopped
right there. I don't know if you have it in
a law profession, but are there educational requirements that you
have to have to maintain you or no lawyers are
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exempt for that?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I mean, it's it's good to take continuing legal credits, obviously,
and a lot of lawyers do that, but there's no
there's no obligation. There are obligations in other professions. And
I think we have a lot of lawyers in Congress
in built the House and the Senate, and they loved
to work to deadlines, and lawyers are sort of like that.
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They will they will wait, and I I'm different. I
like to try to get things settled when you can. Yeah,
I mean it just it's if you live a better
life that that style, with that lifestyle, in my opinion.
But if we keep re electing people to Congress at
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a rate of ninety six or ninety seven or ninety
eight percent, same way with the Senate, very rarely is
a centate. Does a senator lose his seat in an election.
You know, there have been some. Scott Brown lost here
in Massachusetts, but he was elected in a January election,
and the Democrats did whatever they could here in Massachusetts
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to take him out, not because he was an incumbent,
but because he's because he was a Republican. And there
in the same works ways in other states. But there
are very few senators who are turned out of office.
They might retire, but to be to be unseated doesn't
happen off, doesn't happen off.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I honestly don't care if they turned out an office
or not. But when they are there, they need to
be held accountable in a financial manner. Well, I mean
many of people at Harvard.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Business School or Slowe School, people in.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Organization will behavior. It could change. We used to call
it management control. You know, in different systems you're held
accountable for different payment systems. And you know, I just
started this program at Harvard Medical School and already we
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haven't even had the orientation and they have They have
presented six assignments for the next.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, that's that's what it's like in the real world.
Congress is not the real world. Rod. I want to
try to get one more in. Thank you so much
for calling it. I so appreciate you taking the time
tonight and you and the points you made are just
excellent points and I hope people respond to them in
the next hour. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Okay, dank you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Thank you. Let me go to Frankie in your bed
for Frankie. I want to get you in here so
you want have to wait for the eleven o'clock news.
You gotta get that. You get that radio turned down,
and we'll be we'll be a lot better off.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Go ahead, Frank So, I just wanted to say that,
first of all, I love your show. One of those.
I'm one of the silent listeners. I don't like to
call too much, like to listen.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Is your first Is this your first time calling?
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I called before. I usually go and uh wait till
you get on Facebook and I just say hell, okay,
and I you know I can make it quick. I
don't like to be too much as yours. But I
think my thought is this shutdown little end of eight earlier,
if also the Senator and the Republicans you don't get
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paid at all, just like just like the like the
uh the Arctic controlers and just turn get paid. But
if they weren't getting paid ended a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I agree with you, no, I I and I think
that should be that should be a piece of of
reform that should immediately now be approved by Congress that
when a shutdown occurs, nobody gets paid. Nobody gets paid.
And obviously you can't Congress can't pass a law to
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stop judges from being paid or the President from being paid.
But they certainly could pass a law which would say
they all of them, all of them would would would
have to forego their paychecks until the shutdown was taken off,
and then they would get their back pay.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
That's just my son and I I think you know again,
I appreciate you show for so many years. I love
listening to you when I've worked, going to the last hours. Well,
thank you for your showing. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Frankie, I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank
you Paul more often. Okay, thanks, thanks again. Okay, So
I want you to react to the suggestion that Frankie
made that I've made as well. No uh, no session
in Congress, no pay simple as that you shut down
the government. It doesn't matter whether it's been shut down
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by the Democrats and Republicans anyone in Congress. No paycheck
until the government reopens. I think that would discover shutdowns
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I'd like to continue to
talk about this. However, you were impacted by the shutdown,
whether you're an air traveler or you're someone who's a
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SNAP beneficiary, SNAP recipient join the conversation. We got an
hour to go to midnight, stay with us, and join
the conversation.
It's Nightside with Dan RAYBSY, Boston's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
My great thanks to Brian short Slave and Bill from
Cape cod for throwing a couple of questions at my guest.
I thought those were two incredibly infullmative hours. Dean Bill
Fitzimmons of Harvard and Dean Great Goslin of Boston College.
They really gave you an insight. If you took the
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time to listen to the two hours, and if you
missed him, you can go to Knightside and demand. Anytime
tomorrow morning, Rob on the Overnight will post those hours.
Just go to Knightside and demand it'll be part one
and part two. They they really did cover the waterfront.
I think that if you literally had a base of
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no knowledge about the college application process, there was a
lot to learn. So I think again greatly, Bill fitz
Simmons of Harvard. We just did our nineteenth annual college
Admissions Panel. I happen to think that's one of the
most important programs that we do during the course of
the year, that as well as our charity combine. When
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we tend to end the year, I'm not sure if
we're going to do the charity combine this year. It's
a lot of work. We'll have to figure that one out.
There's so many different topics we need to consider and cover.
But as they say, Bill fitz Simmons in Grant Goslin,
who today he's been functioning as the Dean of Admissions,
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the equivalent of the Dean of Admissions at Boston College
and today formally named the Dean of Admissions and Financial Aid.
So it gave you a good sense of those two schools.
But from those schools, it gives you a sense of
the number of options people have, and young people have.
I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get some high
school students. Other years we've had high school students call,
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and sometimes their questions are the best because they're right
in the middle of the fray. Now tell you who
else is in the middle of the fray. The United
States Congress, the US Senate, the US House of Representatives,
And it was just reported on the WBC newscast. The
Senate now tonight has passed legislation to reopen the government.
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That piece of legislation will have to go back to
the House of Representatives. There were eight Democrats who after
this longest government shutdown and will add a few days.
It's not going to be formally resolved. Assuming it is
for a couple of more days, at least, the House
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will not come back in session until Wednesday, and then,
assuming that there are no changes in the piece of
legislation passed by the Senate tonight, it goes on to
the to the House, and the House is even more
sharply divided than the Senate in the In the Senate
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there were eight well, there were seven Republicans, along with
independent Angus King of Maine, two New Hampshire Senators Jean
Shaheen and Maggie Hassen, two former governors which may have
contributed to their willingness to end this shutdown or at
least vote to end the shutdown, along with two Senators
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from Nevada, Catherine Cortes Mosto and Jackie Rosen, as well
as Dick Durbin, who is number two or three in
the Senate. There have been some suggestions that Durbin was
going to vote off in terms of the Democrat's position.
John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, who has voted with the Republicans
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for several of these votes, I think tonight might have
been However, you want to count and vote number fifteen
or sixteen, and then Tim Kine of Virginia kin who
was Hillary's running mate in twenty sixteen. They would represent
I guess what you would call the moderate faction within
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the Democratic Senate with the members of the Democratic Senate.
So the questions, the question that we have, and I'm
looking for your input, is where do we go from here?
Assuming that the House decides to vote to concur with
the Senate and send the bill on to the President.
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There are some elements here. I listened to Senator Shaheen
today and she said that it had gone on a
long time, nothing was happening. She is quoted in an
article here from NBC News which cleared just about seventeen
minutes ago. This is the only deal on the table.
It was our best chance to reopen the government and
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immediately begin negotiations to extend the ACA tax credits that
tends millions of Americans rely on to keep costs down.
So at this point, I would assume that if this
passes by Wednesday and signed by the President by Wednesday
or Thursday, that will resolve funding for several departments within
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the government. I believe that this this extension will go
to will will will extend through the end of January.
I haven't seen the legislation as finally was passed tonight,
but all fifty three Senate Republicans voted against, including a
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simple one year extension of the ACA funds proposed by
Senator Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin in the funding bill, and
that vote did come up in the hours up to
the final passage. Again, there will be there will be
other political pressures that will be exhorted here in all directions.
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This is I think the Democrats. It's been suggested that
the Democrats caved. I don't particularly like that language, to
be really honest with you. It looks tonight as if
President Trump has been interviewed at the NFL football game
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tonight or one of the football games. Maybe it was
last night. I'm not sure. I'm just trying to absorb
as much. I've been focused on college applications. Anyway, Where
do we go from here at this point and what
are the implications. It's to me it's sort of ironic
that after the Democrats had had electoral success last Tuesday
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night in Virginia and in New Jersey for two governorships,
the sense was that the New Jersey governorship might have
been in play. I think that the shutdown hurt both
of the Republican candidates. Maybe they wouldn't have won those
seats either way. But there are now two Democratic governors
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elected in Virginia and New Jersey, as well as obviously
the the socialist elected in New York. UH. There's there's
going to be strong debate here on the the money
that will be available for people who are relying upon
Obamacare UH and the subsidies. How generous will those subsidies be.
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I think the Republicans intend to make a stand on those.
So I guess my question here is, did it really
take everything that we've seen transpire? Did it take the
the withholding of pah to UH to air traffic controllers?
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I mean, I don't see why there couldn't have been
a piece of legislation passed separately by both the House
and Senate to make sure that air traffic controllers were paid.
There were a lot of the air traffic controllers who
apparently literally needed money.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
UH.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And now do I think some of them called in
sick to make a statement. Sure, but I also think
that many of them had to take some other jobs.
It was reported that they were taking jobs as uber
drivers uh to to get some money. I mean, that's
not a great way to uh to to watch how
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our government it's you know, it's it's trillions of dollars.
It's trillions of dollars. So I just want to open
it up and see if you feel the shutdown was
worth it, if you'd like to offer an opinion as
to whether it is of greater help to the Democrats
or the Republicans, or if it's a greater hindrance to
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the Democrats or the Republicans. I think we're going to
see a real difference in the debates in the next
few weeks as all of this is joined. I think
it should it could have begun on October first. I
don't think that the shutdown wasn't necessary. The inconvenience that
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people have suffered who have been traveling, and the inconvenience
of people will suffer because the airlines are going to
take some time to get back to their full schedules.
It'll take some time I suspect where the air traffic
controllers will be fully staffed as well. Thank goodness that
there was no calamity and I think that the Transportation
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Department did the right thing in recent days by cutting
back flights in this country and limiting the number of
flights in this country. Look, it's one thing for people
to be inconvenienced, which was horrible. I think we made
a mistake in Massachusetts. I think that the better course
that Governor Healy should have taken would have been to
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have immediately taken away all of the questions about SNAP
funding and made SNAP funding available with the money that
we have here in Massachusetts in the Rainy Day Fund.
So we've talked about it a lot. I just want
to open up the phone calls. You can take the
conversation in any direction you want. Tell me who who
you think had the better of this. This shutdown, if
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you will, the longest in history six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
This is what I'd prefer to talk about between now
and midnight, because it will be the story of the
day tomorrow and it's breaking news literally while were on
the air. I'm in a bit of a disadvantage because
I can't watch it emerging live. But maybe some of
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you would like to express an opinion on it. All
I have to do is give us a call six one, seven, two,
five four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Whether you're here in New England with
WBZ is located, or anywhere around the country, feel free
to join the conversation back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
All right, we have ten twenty three, ten twenty three.
I believe it's a ten ten twenty four. Just turn
ten twenty four on a Monday night. Cold weather coming
around later on this evening and into tomorrow, so we're
going to get a little bit of a taste of winter.
So what I want to talk about, And again sometimes
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I find that on Nightside, when we talk about something
that is actually happening, that people are not caught up
on it. You've watched the government shutdown and the implications
thereof you've seen the snap benefits are delayed, and even
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even in the last ten days and the ten days
since November one, we had some rulings by federal judges
here in Massachusetts and Rhode Island. It's interesting to me
to see how confusing these rulings are and obviously the
efforts to appeal, and the Supreme Court actually was about
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to get involved. I think all of that is now moot,
that that has resolved. So I think that Snap beneficiaries,
people who rely upon Snap benefits can relax at this point,
assuming that this all goes according to plan. But did
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we really have to go through this would be the
question that I would like to ask all of you
whether or not you're somebody who realizes upon Snap benefits
to get food and you know, look how it's difficult
for most. I know there were forty two million Americans
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who rely on Snap benefits, but for those of us
who do not and who were blessed enough not to
rely upon Snap benefits, you have to have some empathy.
Now I realized that there's some concern as to is
all of those forty two million Americans legitimate or are
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there people who should not be taking advantage of a
program that's well, all well and good. We can talk
about that, but was it necessary to put those forty
two million Americans? And I assume that every one of
those families was reliant on food pantries for a few days,
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and in many states, people Snap benefits have automatically here
in Massachusetts have gone on to their cards. I think
all of that political back and forth between Governor Heale
and President Trump and governors in other states some I
don't know how productive it was. Maybe it's what we
had to go through to get the situation resolved to
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one extent or another. Either way it you know, it
doesn't reflect a lot of glory on any of the
politicians in Washington. They know these deadlines are coming, they
know that certain things have to be done, and yet
they continue along. The House has been away for a
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few days. Speaker Johnson has decided. He decided to send
his his members home or give them the opportunity to
go home. He summoned them back now for a vote
on Wednesday, and my suspicion is that that vote will
accomplish what it's intended to v to accomplish, that the
government will be back in business and that workers who
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have been furloughed will be paid. Workers who have been terminated,
as I understand it, amongst the agreement that workers who
were terminated and fired, they will be their jobs will
come back. The whole Obama insurance premiums, that's going to
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be the raging debate of the next few few weeks.
Airports will eventually come back to normal. We may not
buy tomorrow, but it'll come back within I guess a week.
Certainly it'll come back well in time for the Thanksgiving
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travel rush. There will be a vote on healthcare, although
I guess. Speaker Johnson was said tonight that he is
not bound by the promises that the Senate made, but
I think it would be well. He would be well
advised to go along with the Senate. As I said,
the workers who have been fired according to this agreement
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in the Senate will be rehired. President Trump is said
he will abide by this. If he's abiding by the
Senate agreement, then furloled workers will be returned to their jobs.
Workers who were fired, furlough workers would be paid. Workers
who were fired will be rehired. And again the chaos
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at the airport. If I had been traveling in the
last few days, I would have been probably as upset
as anyone, because this is eminently foreseeable, and it was
eminently preventable. If our politicians were were concerned about anything,
But again, so many of them seemed to be in
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a in a different class and that goes across party lines,
by the way, it's Republicans and Democrats. They I would
think that there should be a law that would be
passed that any time there is a government shutdown, members
of the Senate in the House, at a minimum, they
should not be paid, simple as that. If that is
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what is needed. That's the one proposal I would like
to lay on the table that going forward, if there
is a government shutdown, members of the House and Senate,
who obviously are the cause of the shutdown, will not
be paid. However long the shutdown lasts, I suspect there
will be then no shutdowns, and if they are, they'll
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be very quick, very brief. That is a that is
a rule, a regulation that I would hope someone in
the Senate, someone in the House of Representatives would seriously
put put forward because I think that would be that
would be a reform that would be appreciated by a
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lot of people. Okay, we're going to get to the phones.
I promise we've got the newscast six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten
thirty Jump on board. What do you expect? Who are you?
Who are you most angry? At or are you angry
at anything? Maybe you have gone along and this has
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not affected you. Well, I'm angry that it's affected other people.
It's unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
These folks run for office. They're competent. Uh As they're
competent enough to form a campaign committee and get elected,
which is no small feet, they should be competent enough
to work together and resolve matters in his timely fashion.
That's my argument. I'd love to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten
thirty Coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the Senate has voted to end the shutdown, but
if there's still some obstacles to overcome. As a matter
of fact, tonight, just reading a little bit more of
this NBC news piece that I mentioned earlier. House Minority
Leader Hakim Jeffries, Democrat of New York said, House Democrats
are focused on dealing with the bill that's coming over
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from the Senate to the House, and we're going to
fight hard to defeat it. So Jeffries is going to
be take a hard position and if he can hold
his entire Democratic delegation in the House, that it's a
very close vote in the House. Asked if the shutdown
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was worth it, Jefferies said, Democrats waged a battle on
behalf of the American people. Do you believe that? Do
you believe that he waged a battle on behalf of
the American people? The forty two million people who were
without benefits, snap benefits, nutritional benefits. He added, the fight
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lives on. Jeffries deferred to House minority whiped Catherine Clarke,
Democrat from Massachusetts, when asked if all Democrats will vote
against the bill, Well, if all Democrats vote against this
bill and there's a few Republicans and there are some
Maverick Republicans, I think Marylyn Taylor Green, that's you get
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a few of those and it gets defeated in the House,
then we're back to square one. So I don't know
if the shut down, if we can say it's over,
it certainly has taken a step in the right direction.
Let me go to John up in Maine. John your
thoughts on what's going on? How are you John?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I'm good, Dan, how are you well?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I was a little encouraged until I just read that
last last is that piece there, Dan.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I think the upside of the shutdown, yeah, was that
when the American people took a look at the fact
that the air traffic controllers, I mean, we almost lost
a plane or two during this thing. I mean, it's
it's it's the you know, it's the federal government's responsibility
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to manage the FAA. And I think because people flying,
they're Republicans, they're Democrats there whatever, you know, it's I
think it helps, you know, for people to look and
see just what we expect of the American government, what
do they do? And I also think your comment about
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the competence of these people in office is correct.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Well again, I just think that we have a country,
we have a great democratic process. Why can't we debate
these issues and and and have the you know, we
learned in school about the great debates between you know,
this senator or that senator. And we know that we
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have the Ronald Reagan Tipp O'Neill model where they would
fight like cats and dogs during the day and then
at night to drink together. Now you have people in
the Democratic Party who I think are are pretty far
out there. And then you have I missed labeled Marjorie
Taylor Green. I don't think of her often, but I
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think we'll be talking about her in the next few
days because she she will do anything to grab the spotlight.
And if she can put together a cabal of five
or six Republicans who are as crazy as she is.
I mean when I say crazy, I mean politically is
you know, they're not going to go with the program,
then you have a Congress that is just totally dysfunctional.
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I mean we might get to that point. Look, I'm
not a snap beneficiary, but but my heart goes out
to those who for the last I don't know, the
last month, have have dreaded the possibility that their benefits
would go away. Uh and they did go away in
many states and even here in Massachusetts they went away
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for a period of time. So I don't know, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
I just think that, Yeah, I think that these issues,
uh you know, the media covered it, it got covered,
you're covering it. It's it's bringing people into the process,
you know, the American people. That's who's going to you know,
change these congressmen and you know and politicians.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean, that's the problem is that that they the
incumbency re election rate is extraordinarily high in this country,
which is a good thing. I mean, those members of
Congress say, hey, look, you know my vote my I'm
doing such a job, a good job. I get reelected
time after time after time. And maybe there's truth to that,
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but that I would like to get see some people
in there who would say, Okay, look what can we
do to make sure we take care of people who
really need help and at the same time somehow go
in and find the people who do not deserve the help,
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get them off the rolls, and deal with a thirty
seven to thirty eight trillion dollar federal debt that our
kids and grandkids are going to be able to hook for.
I mean, there's a real danger there. I mean, there's
it'd be wonderful to say, hey, anybody who wants to
sign up for freebies, no problem. We're a great country,
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we have a lot of money. Just sign people up
for as many freebies as possible. Can't do that. Can't
do that. And there's going to be a debate on
Obamacare how much subsidies are there. Can we give you
the same medical care to every American? Unfortunately not? I mean,
you know, when when senators and congressmen have to find
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the greatest, you know, doctor of whatever specialty they can
do that most of us can't do that, right. I mean,
it's horrible to think so, but but that's that is
a reality that we got.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
To deal with after after seventy nine years, I'm looking
at it and thinking, you know, ultimately it does go
back to the people. It goes back to you and
me and everybody else, you know, Uh, you know we
is it hard to get these people out of office
that should be out of office? Yeah, very hard, you know,
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with the incumbency and everything. But I think it's a
I think it's beginning to happen because people are becoming
more aware of what the government should be doing.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
And how you just had a member of you have
two members in the House too, of the Senate, one
of them Congressman Golden I think, said last week that
and I guess he's a kind of a moderate Democrat.
I would I would hope that now that he's not
running for reelection, uh, that he can vote to end
the shutdown. Be a Democratic vote that goes over and
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ends the shutdown. You know, I don't know what I
don't know what he's going to do. Since he's not
running for reelection, he can do it, he thinks is
absolutely right, without any considerations of his political future.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I thought what King did was also the independent up here.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, he showed his independence. He caucuses with the Democrats.
He's at his heart heart and soul is a Democrat.
But he he did the he did the right thing.
So hats off to I mentioned all of their names earlier, uh,
and I'll be happy to do it again. Both New
Hampshire senators who are Democrats. Uh, both former governors by
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the way, Shaheen and Hassan. They were amongst the eight
along with So there were three of the members here
from New England, and then you had two from from Nevada,
Catherine Cortes Masto and Jackie Rosen Durban from Illinois, Fetterman
from Pennsylvania, Tim Kane from Virginia. So those those are
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the eighth that got this thing back, at least for now,
back operating. We'll see what happens later this week.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
John, thank you so much, thank you, damn thanks appreciate.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
You getting us going here, my friend. Thank you, have
a great night. All right. John is a really good caller.
And I think he raises issues that we need you
need to think about. I know the Patriots are important
everybody right now. I know that the Celtics are gonna
have a challenging year. I know that the Bruins, who
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are the Red Sox is going to get a picture.
I know all of that stuff is important people, and
it is important. I don't mean to diminish it, but
this is important to six one, seven, two, five, ten
thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. Be
right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Right after this, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Let's go out to the Great Northwest. Laurie is in Idaho. Laurie, welcome,
thanks for checking in tonight. What's your thought about these
recent developments.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Well, first and foremost, Schumer needs to go, and he
can take Clark with him with him. I just I mean,
he is, he is vile and his the victriol he
spews is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I have I haven't heard him tonight. Was there
something that he had said specifically tonight that you want
to respond to?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
No, no, all through this thing. Yeah, all through this thing?
And he just and he I don't know. I always think
he feels like the younger legislators in there, who could
you know, maybe learning and act like professionals, feel like
they can get away with not doing so because he's
like the mass on whatever he needs to go. So
this the whole thing is, I think an embarrassment. I
think both sides have fault, but definitely more more the
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little Democrats or like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, I'm not sure that that Schumer is looking at it.
I think that AOC is going to take a shot
at Schumer, and I think that Schumer has seen what
has happened in New York when AOC ran before, he's
seen what has seen what has happened. He actually endorsed
I believe that he was the no. I guess he didn't.
(29:30):
I'm confused.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I don't think he had a good conversation with him
at one point after the election, but I don't think
he endorsed him.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, right, and it was Madami was endorsed.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I don't know that he was endorsed either by by
the House Speaker. I think that the House Speaker had
a I got someone will be able to tell me.
I got confused a little bit in terms of.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I I would not bet a lot of money as
to what he did. But I don't think he's going
to run for reelection. I think that that I would hope,
not that AOC sees it as this is her opportunity.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
She's going to be any better, but she's gonna she
certainly won't have the longevity, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah, well, I don't know. But the question shoot myself
Pelosi last week step aside, So I'm sure he's well.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
Yeah, well it's time, I mean, get some fresh blood
in there. But so something came up in one of
the news reports today. So I mean all this stuff,
I mean, these guys are collecting their paychecks for not
only are they you know, they're not even trying up
at work, Beau, nobody will do anything. And then they're
telling all the people in the nations, oh, I'm sorry
you can't get paid, or I'm sorry you can't get
your food assistance. And then so today they had some
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reports that people who had come to Boston, you know,
was coming up by Boston all the celebration of the
birth of the nation. And they interviewed a couple who
had come to do the Freedom Trail and to do
some of the great things that you can do in Boston.
They're part of the history of our nation, and they're
not open because the federal government is closed. So now
if they can get a plane back home, they haven't
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been able to do what they want. And so that's
disgusting to me, because you know, the legislators can't get
along in a sandbox. I mean, there's just no excuse for.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
This, I think, as well said by the way, I
did check it out here. Schubern did not endorse Mamdani.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
No, he didn't. Once he was elected. I think he
called him and you know, congratulated him or some darn thing,
but he did not endure.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, and I believe that Jeffries did offer some sort
of an endorsement. I think that was the discussion between
between the two. But LORI thank you so much for
checking us in and you are a voice of reason,
there's no question. But I love you listening to the show,
(31:51):
and and I love you calling in because you said
it very well. And I suspect that more people out
there feel as you do right now. I hear the
frustration in your voice and it's well, I think it's
it's yeah, No, absolutely, Thanks Laurie.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We'll talk, okay, thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Let me go next to Ron and Newton. Ron, appreciate
your calling in your thoughts on what you've seen expire,
uh in the last day or so, and what you've
seen expire in the last month or.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So, I Dan, I am. It's so they are so
disgraceful to represent us, and it really has for a
long time. It greates me that they are not held
their deadlines. You know, I work in one of the
(32:41):
most highly regulated professions in the country, and in terms
of having to accomplish, I can't maintain my license without
having X number of continuing education.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Credits.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Sure I'm held to. When I was at Masternal Hospital,
I was held to. They have different levels of payment,
so it's it's a merrittroker. That's system where you meet
certain standards and then you can then you can advance
(33:19):
in your pay. One of my brother's works at IBM,
and if he didn't meet the deadline, his pay stopped
right there. I don't know if you have it in
a law profession, but are there educational requirements that you
have to have to maintain you or no lawyers are
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exempt for that?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I mean, it's it's good to take continuing legal credits, obviously,
and a lot of lawyers do that, but there's no
there's no obligation. There are obligations in other professions. And
I think we have a lot of lawyers in Congress
in built the House and the Senate, and they loved
to work to deadlines, and lawyers are sort of like that.
(34:04):
They will they will wait, and I I'm different. I
like to try to get things settled when you can. Yeah,
I mean it just it's if you live a better
life that that style, with that lifestyle, in my opinion.
But if we keep re electing people to Congress at
(34:25):
a rate of ninety six or ninety seven or ninety
eight percent, same way with the Senate, very rarely is
a centate. Does a senator lose his seat in an election.
You know, there have been some. Scott Brown lost here
in Massachusetts, but he was elected in a January election,
and the Democrats did whatever they could here in Massachusetts
(34:46):
to take him out, not because he was an incumbent,
but because he's because he was a Republican. And there
in the same works ways in other states. But there
are very few senators who are turned out of office.
They might retire, but to be to be unseated doesn't
happen off, doesn't happen off.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I honestly don't care if they turned out an office
or not. But when they are there, they need to
be held accountable in a financial manner. Well, I mean
many of people at Harvard.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
Business School or Slowe School, people in.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Organization will behavior. It could change. We used to call
it management control. You know, in different systems you're held
accountable for different payment systems. And you know, I just
started this program at Harvard Medical School and already we
(35:42):
haven't even had the orientation and they have They have
presented six assignments for the next.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Well, that's that's what it's like in the real world.
Congress is not the real world. Rod. I want to
try to get one more in. Thank you so much
for calling it. I so appreciate you taking the time
tonight and you and the points you made are just
excellent points and I hope people respond to them in
the next hour. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Okay, dank you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Thank you. Let me go to Frankie in your bed
for Frankie. I want to get you in here so
you want have to wait for the eleven o'clock news.
You gotta get that. You get that radio turned down,
and we'll be we'll be a lot better off.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Go ahead, Frank So, I just wanted to say that,
first of all, I love your show. One of those.
I'm one of the silent listeners. I don't like to
call too much, like to listen.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Is your first Is this your first time calling?
Speaker 8 (36:40):
I called before. I usually go and uh wait till
you get on Facebook and I just say hell, okay,
and I you know I can make it quick. I
don't like to be too much as yours. But I
think my thought is this shutdown little end of eight earlier,
if also the Senator and the Republicans you don't get
(37:01):
paid at all, just like just like the like the
uh the Arctic controlers and just turn get paid. But
if they weren't getting paid ended a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I agree with you, no, I I and I think
that should be that should be a piece of of
reform that should immediately now be approved by Congress that
when a shutdown occurs, nobody gets paid. Nobody gets paid.
And obviously you can't Congress can't pass a law to
(37:34):
stop judges from being paid or the President from being paid.
But they certainly could pass a law which would say
they all of them, all of them would would would
have to forego their paychecks until the shutdown was taken off,
and then they would get their back pay.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
That's just my son and I I think you know again,
I appreciate you show for so many years. I love
listening to you when I've worked, going to the last hours. Well,
thank you for your showing. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Frankie, I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank
you Paul more often. Okay, thanks, thanks again. Okay, So
I want you to react to the suggestion that Frankie
made that I've made as well. No uh, no session
in Congress, no pay simple as that you shut down
the government. It doesn't matter whether it's been shut down
(38:27):
by the Democrats and Republicans anyone in Congress. No paycheck
until the government reopens. I think that would discover shutdowns
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. I'd like to continue to
talk about this. However, you were impacted by the shutdown,
whether you're an air traveler or you're someone who's a
(38:49):
SNAP beneficiary, SNAP recipient join the conversation. We got an
hour to go to midnight, stay with us, and join
the conversation.
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