December 8, 2025 • 39 mins
According to a new Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll, one-third of 500 voters surveyed said they considered leaving Massachusetts in the last year. Residents cited inflation, cost of living, health care costs, housing affordability, and taxes as their highest concerns. Dave Paleologos, Director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, explained the results of this survey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm YOUBSY Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, there was an interesting poll that was conducted by
Dave Paleologus of Suffolk University conjunction with Boston Globe. Poll
of five hundred Redish voters in Massachusetts, conducted in late November.
Margin of era four plus and minus four point four percent.
Uh at Dave the portion of the poll. First of all,
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welcome back to Nightside, mister Paleologus, how are you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm well, yep, it'sund great. It's always so. I caught
a lot of this. It was a pretty comprehensive poll,
dealt with favorability ratings of politicians and all that. But
in the last twelve months, you asked voters in Massachusetts,
have you considered leaving Massachusetts because of the cost of
living here? Yes or no? Pretty simple question. A third
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of them, thirty two point four percent, said yes. I
found that to be a very surprising number because you
qualified it. You didn't say have you ever thought about
leaving Massachusetts? You said in the last twelve months. Were
you surprised by that response? That the number of people
who have actually admitted to thinking about it in the
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last twelve months.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh totally, you know, in the last twelve months. And
it's not a totally a political thing, a presidency thing,
because you know, the last twelve months we've had two
presidents technically, but when we've were spoiled. When you think
of Massachusetts as the state where healthcare is number one, hospitals, education, biotech,
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for that many people one in three to say that
they're considered leaving here because of the cost of living
was an eye opening finding and it kind of matches
some of the other questions on the economy too. But
just that one question alone, you know, kind of broke
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along party lines where you know, more Republicans say they
would want to leave than Democrats. That can be expected.
But even among independence then, I mean it was almost
four and ten, it was thirty seven percent of independence
and as you know, Independence make up two thirds of
the registered voters in.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That Yeah, that's the point. The Republican parties like eight percent,
so at this point almost their viewpoints are relatively irrelevant.
But when you start talking about the independence saying forty percent, boy,
that's that's that's that is a big number. And there's
all sorts of issues. You know, inflation and the cost
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of living. Well, is inflation worse here than it is
elsewhere in the United States. I mean, you weren't asking
people if they were thinking of leaving the country. You
ask you if they were leaving Massachusetts. Now, maybe some
in there might be thinking about leaving the country, but
I suspect most of them were looking to either go
north through New Hampshire or south to Florida, or to
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Tennessee or to Texas.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, you know, and we probed a little bit about
individual household budgets and when your listeners are thinking about, like,
what's the biggest strain right now on your household budget,
we throw in utilities just as an afterthought. I mean,
most of the issues were the technical issues childcare, housing, groceries, healthcare,
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and so on. I didn't expect utilities to be the
number one issue. I mean, we threw it in because
there was a lot of social media activity about utilities
to come and existing being high, and that did resonate
with Republican voters, but it was high among independents as well.
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Twenty one percent were citing utilities as as a real
problem and a financial strain in the budgets of people
right now. And I expected going into this question that healthcare,
you know, which was number two, or housing, which was
also timed with number two, to be right at the top,
but that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Twenty one percent
said utility is the biggest strain, and I guess that's
understandable because that is the groceries. You can control groceries
a little bit. Healthcare is controllable. You're housing cost of
fairly fixed. But yeah, it's the utilities that all of
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a sudden last winter we saw so many big spikes
in electricity and heat, all the stuff that you need
during the wintertime. So it's you know, we've been losing
people for a long well, we haven't been losing people,
but we've been losing representation in Congress. I remember when
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I was a kid, we had sixteen members of the House.
We're now down to nine. So our delegation in the
House has been cut in half. And the more people
that leave, and we've had an outflow of people leaving Massachusetts,
no suggestion that's going to stop. I don't think the
politicians particularly care about it, as long as the people
who are left elect them. It's never been an issue
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in any of the campaigns that I can remember, can
you no?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And you know, when you look when I looked first
looked at the cross tabs, and I was looking at utilities,
you know, it was only seventeen percent saying utilities, which
is still high among Democrats, and thirty three percent among Republicans.
But it really didn't split that way when you looked
at race, and when you looked at a combination of
both black and A span voters, it was over thirty
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percent utilities, not twenty one. And so you know, these
these kinds of financial strains are hitting people all across
the board.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But the Republicans aren't here in the state. Then they
don't have enough people in the legislature to say we're
going to file a piece of legislation. I mean, that's
that's the weakness of the two party system. We have
a one party system in Massachusetts, so we basically there's
no reason for the Democrats to get particularly concerned about it.
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What are they going to do? Why they're in control
in both the House and Senate. Again, I'm not looking
for you to advocate for a two party system, but
we have really a two party system, Democrats and unenrolled,
not Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I was just gonna say that's the sleeping giant.
And a lot of people don't realize this, but Massachusetts
has the highest percentage of independent voters of any state
in the country. It's sixty seven percent. So that's why
Republican governors get elected in Massachusetts from time to time,
because those candidates can tap into independence. It's not the
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Republicans that can save the day in Massachusetts, it's those
independent voters. And independent men in Massachusetts tend to be
a little bit more concerntive than independent women.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And by the way, it's it's more frequently than people realize,
because when you go back you have obviously Charlie Baker
most recently, but Mitt Romney, Paul Salucci, Bill Weld. We've
had more Republican governors in the last let's say, three
or four decades than we've had democratic governors. I mean
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Mike County.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Absolutely, absolutely. And the way that that happens is again
it is linking Republicans. Is they basically do polling and
they link Republicans and independence where they agree most on
a battery of issues and then they make those the
Lynchkin issues. What devout Patrick did and what more Heally
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did was the opposite. Those candidates were able to link
issues that were important to Democrats and independence and make
them their coalition.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Let's do this on Dave. Let's let's get some phone
calls if people would like to ask questions about this
poll or other polls. There's a lot more in the
poll in terms of the favorability unfavorability. It was interesting
as I looked at all the different numbers of the politicians.
This was before Iana Presley chose not to run for
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the Democratic Senate nomination, which that sigh of relief your
head was coming from Senator at Markey. She she would
she was leaving in a three way race Presley, Marky,
and Seth Moulten, and without her there, you know, Markey
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has a very comfortable lead on Seth Moulten. And it
just shows that in Massachusetts we're not going to see
many changes in the in the next year or so.
I don't think based upon what I'm seeing right now,
and I'd love to know what you think. So I'll
ask you that when we come back, and we'll leave
it open to other questions, uh, political questions or otherwise
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economic questions. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. If you'd
like to be speak to a pollster and maybe even
take a little mini poll as to some of the
questions that we're here, love to have you join the conversation.
This is the state where we all have chosen to live,
at least for now. And uh, it looks as if
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beer had been We've had an outflow. We've had out
migration in Massachusetts for the last few years. I don't
have the numbers in front of me, but I can
tell you traditionally more people leave Massachusetts than come and arrive.
Even though we have all these great colleges, college and
universities where people come from all over the country to
go to colleges on either side of the Charles River.
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To College is in in in suburbs, Baps and and Tofts,
great schools and Williams and Amherst and UMass all the
new mass schools. They're coming, but they're not staying.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Six seven thirty, six, one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Back on Nightside with your calls and questions for Dave
Paleo Logus Suffolk University poster. He does a lot for
a variety of media outlets. This particular poll was in
conjunction with the Boston Globe. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio, we're.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Joined by Dave Paleo logus poster for Suffolk University. Also
he is often a pollster with Suffolk University in conjunction
with the Boston Globe. And we're talking about a statistic
that I find really interesting. I think Dave does as well,
that in the last twelve months, some one third of
those polls said they have considered leaving Massachusets is because
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of the cost of living here. Simple yes or no answer,
Yes thirty two point four percent, No, sixty seven point
six percent. I think that's an extraordinary number. Dave Paleologus,
let's get some phone calls. Let me go first to
Jack and Newton. Jack, you were on with Dave Paleologus
talking about the poll and the Globe, and I think
kind of a shocking statistic that a third of the
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gunwealth of Massachusetts have thought about leaving the base state
in the last year.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Welcome yea how you doing, mister Pealeogus. You yeah, I think, well,
I'm one of those people, you know, the one and
three that have thought of leaving. And I've lived here
forty years, even longer than my previous city, Milwaukee. And
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it's economics. I'm eighty years old. I do work, but
I have, you know, kind of a fixed income in
terms of Social Security and whatever. And if I even
have a two point eight percent mortgage for thirty years
or twenty five, but I might leave. I mean, what's
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what protects me is I only pay eight hundred and
forty four dollars for a mortgage. That's you know, P
I T I, principal interest, taxes and insurance. But the
taxes are going up. They live in Newton, so I leave.
But it's the insurance that's also going up. And also
not only that, the insurance on cars, insurance on my condo.
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So it's not medicine. I'm covered by Medicaid. It's the
you know, the increase almost every year. You know, it's
not I'm worried that my Social Security won't cover that monthly.
Not this we call it. They said, I mean that's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, that's a that's a, that's an amazing city. You
live in Newton. I mean that's that's a world class
And I would just ask where would you go? Where
would you move?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Two?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And how would that all work logistically?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well? Where can I move? I mean, as you get older,
you're affected by the cold, So probably would you moved
to a warmer climate, not Florida. I don't like Florida,
but I don't know North Carolina or something. But I'm
a kind of a New Englander, you know. I mean
I like New England. I like the cold even sometimes,
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but that's a real My children. My daughter lives in
Rhode Island. My son might have moved also, but he
got a good mortgage rate and lives in Tewksbury. I
noticed in your police the people like from eighteen to
twenty five are leaving and I want to leave, and
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people sixty five and older. And I believe that younger
people because the rents are so high, and the older
people because if they're going to fix the income, the
expenses are getting too high. Plus uh, plus the code.
I think the weather. It's an issue also. Those are
the two groups that are and I really believe that
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it should be a political issue. The politicians really should
face it. And I'd like to ask, you know, what
can we do about these, you know, issues like utilities politically,
especially utilities. I agree with Dan some of the other
things that can't change to reefily, but you know, utilities
and also rent too, but utilities, how can we Well.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I think there's political decisions politically, Jack, Jack, the political
decisions made where Governor Heays was very proud a couple
of years ago that she had stopped some gas pipelines.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you had that pressure on a democratic governor. Now
with with the cold coming at us, quicker she's saying, well,
I didn't really say that, Yes she did, because we
have the miracle of videotape. So we you know, if
we if we have fewer gas pipelines, then there's fewer
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supplies that are that are immediately available. You know. You know,
those are political decisions that that have cost us in
other parts of the country. You know, the governor might
be a little bit more friendly to you know, you know,
he goes back, it goes back fifty years, Jack. Everybody
was remember when they hit Seabrook demonstrations up at Seabrook.
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Nobody the demonstrators clamshellow lines they move didn't want nuclear power.
We found out now that nuclear power is safe and
and there's some countries around the world, like France that
rely on nuclear power, and I'm sure they're cost her
a lot more reasonable than ours. I mean, I just
think it's bad decisions.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, the Globe Articla, I think talked about the infrastructure
that we're paying for this infrastructure. I don't know what
that me and mister Pella logan is. Why is that
the infrastructure those pipelines, I didn't quite understand that.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They if they're old, they got to get repaired, got
to be.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Repaired, upgraded, And so we are paying increased rates because
of the repairing the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, who else is going to pay for that? Jack?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Right? Otherwise it's a health has are not explaining this
to us, and I think it's going to be a
big issue.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it's like your car jack. If you keep your
car as I keep my cars long, there comes a
point in time where the repairs force you to say, well,
I got to bite the bullet and get another new
car here. I mean, you know, yeah, same principle.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I'd like to know what we could do politically about it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
But well, if you had if you had a two
parties safe, you might have some Republicans up there will
come up with ideas and proposals that would have a
chance of passing. I don't know. I remember a long
time ago being on an airplane with Governor Hugh Gallon
of New Hampshire was a Democrat. This is got to
be in the early nineteen eighties and we were at
the back of the plane talking about hydro power from Quebec.
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It's taken forty years for us to get any hydro
power from forty five years to come get hydro power
from Quebec coming into Massachusetts into New England. And Hugh
Gallen a Democrat, and Nick rother Dave I'm sure remembers
Hugh Gallan. He was, you know, much more of a
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centrist Democrat that a Democrat could get elected governor in
New Hampshire. He was open to that possibility.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
We you know, I'm going to talk to my Democratic
state reps in Newton, Brookline, other places. I don't care.
I mean, I'm going to tell them, I don't care
if you're a Democrat or what. We got to reduce
these you know, increases.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Jack, let me ask you a question, Jack, who do
you blame you? You would yourself, you admittedly said, I
am one of those people that you polled and said
yes and this question and you considered moving out. Who
do you Which party do you blame for the position
that you're in orpen?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I blame both parties. I think they're both in the
hands of the utility companies or in the palm of
them through whatever you know, lobbying are I blame both
of them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
But you do know, Jack, that the Republicans have four
members out of forty in the state Senate, so they represent.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I guess I blame the Democrats more than let me say, and.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Republicans I think have about twenty six or so
twenty seven members of the state legislature, which is about
fifteen percent because there's one hundred of the House of Representatives,
because we have one hundred and sixty members and the Democrats,
you know, and good for them, Democrats.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Know how to I'd like to I'd like to see
this be a bipartisan issue, you know, not pitting one
party against another. It's a human issue. I mean, it's
our lives. Well, forget about the politics I can't afford
to stay of this state.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jack, I'm totally with you. But what I'm saying is,
at this point, the Democrats have no competition. There's there's
no The Republicans don't come up with any great ideas.
They they should come up find some issues that they
that they could actually say, hey, elect us. They're happy
to sit up there and get re elected and be
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of one of four.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
We could vote for other Democrats who agree with me,
you know, we could. It doesn't have to be a
very publican. We could vote for somebody else if we
can get more people.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
To the power of the incumbency. Look at in the
in the poll, in the poll here, here's here's one question.
Should Ed Markey be re elected? Yes or no? Say yes?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And it's like, well, I'm part of the sixty eight
cent say no, okay, But I really what I'm saying,
I want to see some new, fresh ideas from other Democrats.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well that's that would be a start. That would be
a start. You have a congressman in Newton Archen class,
Jake Auchincloss, who was considering running against Marky, but he
decided correct me if I'm wrong there today, But uh,
he took a hard look at it, and uh and
and and didn't get into the starting gate O.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He wimped out. I I have respect for uh, the
person you know, what's his name who's running, even if
you're going to lose, Seth to stand right to what's his.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Name of, Seth Moulton Steph.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I have respect for him, even if he loses, because
he stood up and made his mark. I have respect
for that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Jack, Jack, great phone call. Thank you very much. I
think you represent a lot of people and I hope
you have for more. Thank you, Jack.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'll be happy to talk to mister logos uh, you
know flying sort of speak if he wants. I think
I represent you know that one third group.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Maybe he'll include you in the next poll.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Jack fair enough, be happy to be happy. Give me
your in reach out to me. I'm on Suffolk dot
EEDU you can. You could reach me any any time.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Thanks Thank you, Jack, appreciate it, Thank you, good night.
Six one seven, two, five four ten, thirty six one
seven ninety. If you're fat, happy and contented with Massachusetts, great.
If you're somebody who feels that, hey, maybe it's time
to move on to greener pastures. Love to hear from you, Nick.
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My guess Dave Paleologus is here. Uh, he'll take your questions,
maybe even give you a couple of the poll questions.
If you've ever thought about leaving Massachusetts in the last
twelve months and you're in that group that polled yes,
give us a call, like Jack, if you are somebody
who is you know, dedicated to to living here for
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the rest of your life because everything is just great
in Massachusetts. Love to hear from you as well. Six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty And those of you who are actually thinking
about it, Where are you thinking of going back on
night side? Right after this?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But I guess Dave Paiey Logus Suffolk University poster and
also does a lot of work with the Boston Globe,
and this is an interesting poll. Just reference that in
the your poll in our news cut in there at
the bottom of the hour. So people are talking about it.
Let's continue on here, Dave Payey Logus and see what
our listeners think they personalize about to a click just
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dropped off unfortunately. Let me go to Tony in Rosslindale. Tony,
you're next on Night Side with Dave Paleia logus.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Go ahead, Tony, Hi, Dan and Dave.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You're welcome calling in.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I feel like way of getting taxed to death. You know,
Mayor wu mart Heally don't want anybody to raise their property,
the real estate rental for everybody. They want to captain
at five percent. They want rent control. Why can't we
have a taxi control?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well we do. It is called it's called Prop two
and a half, but the politicians like to work around that.
To be honest with you, Tony.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Yeah, I know they're just texting us to death. And
that's why there's going to be an exodus of people
leaving Massachusetts. Well, Mary Heally looks like looks like the
hero when she says that landlords are going to pay
the rental fee. Now, well, guess what, say the average
rent is three thousand dollars. What if a landlord has
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ten units and ten of them they cake, say half
of them they came, that's fifteen grand he has to
pay out of parkt to find new tenants.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
How fair is that?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think you're preaching. Did they converted? Dave? You want
to talk here to Tony and ask him a couple
of questions.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, I mean Tony raises a couple of really important points.
But to start, I mean, Michelle wou actually has a
higher favorability in the statewide pole than the governor Marhey.
She was at fifty two percent. Marhey's under fifty percent,
not only in favorability but in the deserve reelect number.
So some of this is starting to stick. And you know,
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it's not common that you see a governor polling in
the forties for favorability, and her unfavorability is almost forty.
It's in the high thirties, which is a little bit
high for a democratic governor. So some of these issues
like utility costs, the cost of living, rent and other
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related issues that we probed in the poll are a problem.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
She traditionally does extremely well in elections among Democrats obviously,
but independent women, and she seems to be holding that base.
But she's lost men independent men in this poll, and
not enough probably to matter at this point. But it's
a signal. You know, it's not a red light, it's
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a it's a flashing yellow light. And I think that's
why she has, you know, put some new people on
her campaign team and started to rev up her own operation,
because there there's there's a disconnect, there's a messaging disconnect here.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Well, if I if I I'm a guy, if I
voted for a guy just because he's a guy, isn't
that sexism? Just some kind of form of discrimination? What
these these people keep voting for WU, I don't know
understand why? What what kool aid is she given them?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
She's connecting the dots on issues people care about. And
it's only in Boston, so you know. But in this poll,
she i the fact that she took on Trump and
went down to Washington. Whether you agree with Trump or
to disagree or like him or not, in Massachusetts, going
against Trump as a net positive because more independents are
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left leaning except for some independent man as I say, so, well, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You spartlight up for them when they point to Trump
and blame him for everything, Well, I don't see him
being the cause for a thirteen point four percent real
estate tax increase.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
When they.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Tie people's hands and they just force everything down our roads.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well that point and what I would say in terms
of those specific issues, Tony, that you're talking about is
that there's going to be a menu of ballot questions
that speak to what you've just said. One potential ballot
question will reduce the state income tax from five percent
to four percent by twenty twenty nine. There's another ballot
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question on affordability. There are a bunch of ballot questions
that the eight Attorney general is gonna have to weed through.
But obviously there are a lot of people who feel
both partisan and who are just angry at the status quo,
and they feel the only recourse they have is to
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put a question on the statewide ballot.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You know, I sure wish we had that over three
billion dollars they spent on all the illegals comeing into Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, you know, I all I can say is that,
you know, there are a lot of negatives in Massachusetts,
and you know, I tend to be kind of like
rooting for the home team. I'm always hoping the state
does extremely well. We've had a state legislature, whether you
like them or not, that's always had a big rainy
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day fund, and so a lot of people like having
that big Randy had that you know, big Rainy Day
Fund because it was prudent to have it for times
when it rains, and you know, when that money runs out,
people have to say was it justified or not. You're
suggesting it wasn't justified, and that will flesh itself out
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at the ballot box if that becomes one of the
main issues. We don't know yet who the Republican nominee
for governor will be, and there's going to be a
very contested Republican primary.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So well, remember this, David and Tony. When the Snap
benefits were threatened by Trump and the Republicans from in Washington,
the governor said she wasn't going to touch the rainy
Day fund. Well, if I was a SNAP beneficiary and
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I didn't know where my food was coming from next week,
basically basically, how you know, you would think that that
would have been the first place the Governor Healy would
have gone and said, look, let's let's spend a couple
one hundred million dollars and put everybody's mind at ease
so that their benefits will be provided. She didn't do that,
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which I didn't understand. But but if she doesn't pay
a political price for it, and if people don't care.
And if they say, hey, let her keep the rainy
Day fund there because there may be another wave of
illegals coming in to take care of If that's what
people come to believe, that she's gonna have trouble in
the election a year from now. But people have short memories, Tony,
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in my opinion, and I'm sure that.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, I know that, But you know what, she looks
like the hero because I'm going back on capping the
changing the realtor feed to the landlords because she's looking
like the hero's all of the tendants when in actuality
three thousand dollars per month.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh yeah, that you're a landlord, and so you're upset
about that.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Lord, Yeah, but I have I have a handful of apartments.
If I had to change ten apartments over, that's all
get out of my pocket.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I get it. But that's the state. That's the that's
a play from the same playbook that Mamdani is using
in New York. I mean, you're going to have rent
control in the ballot here a year from now. The
real estate industry and landlord's been a smart number. You're
going to have rent control across the state. In Massachusetts
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as well. Yeah, but I'm just I'm not I agree
with you, Tony, but I'm just telling you people are
asleep at the switch. It's as simple as vote for.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
These two people. I wish Tom Harmon would take Helium
Wu too well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean, but you have to also think in terms
of the prism that political people think, which is how
many landlords are there in the Commonwealth and how many
tenants are there, And so they do the math and
they figure out, well, if I'm measuring this issue in
terms of votes, and let's be real, that's that's one
of the.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Soul for both by opening the border for years.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
But just one other thing I'd like to I'd like
to say, guys, and I'd like to hear if Dave
agrees with me on this, and that is that if
you're very wealthy, you can afford to live in Massachusetts.
If you're living based and what is it they're saying,
I think it was one out of eight people in
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Massachusetts are on benefits. If you are relying upon the
state for your welfare, snap benefits, food stamps, whatever you want,
it's a great state to live in because there's there's
a lot of benefits here. The people who are really
getting screwed are guys like Tony in Roslindale, he's trying
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to do the right thing, or people who are working
their butt off and and the taxes keep going up
and there's just not enough. Tony's in Massachusetts. The wealthy
could kill less and the people who are benefiting from
the government large, yes, well, they're not going to turn
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against the Democrats. And the Republicans don't know how to
message anything. When was the last time you heard a
Republican with a message that that that appealed to you, Tony,
It's been a while. It's been a while. Guys. I
got to run here because they got a break coming up. Tony,
do me a favor, call this program more often. Please you.
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You're the You're the person who I want to try
to represent UH on the air because you're doing the
right thing. You're trying to build the economy in Massachusetts
and they're not making it easy for you.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Thank you very much, Thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Take a quick break, coming right back with Dave Pale
and Logus poster an extraordinary poster. He has. He has
the heartbeat of Massachusetts, and all of his polls joined
the conversation. Be right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's Nightside with Dany Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Next up, let's go to Brand in Dyton. Brand, you
were next on Nice Side with Dave Pata and Logus.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Welcome, Oh, thank you, thanks for taking my call. You know,
I've lived in Massachusetts all my life and I wouldn't
want to leave, but I thought about it because of
the cost of utilities. I just I'm having breakfast one
day and I talked with somebody that works to the
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gas company, and the guy just says to me, you
want to look at your bill and see what the
delivery charges on there. So I started looking at my
bill now, and it just so happens. October of twenty
twenty four is just about when my mortgage was paid off.
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But my my gas bill started going up crazy. But
I could afford it because of not having the mortgage payment.
So I looked at my last bill and they break
it down by percentage. Thirty percent of the bill was
actual gas that I paid for ye the other seventy
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percent was a delivery charge and a community improvement charge.
Seventy percent. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Welcome to Massachusetts, Brand.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
I'm I'm a New Englander. I would never want to
live anyplace else but New England. My father was like that,
I'm like that. I just love knowing and I love
where I live and the house I live in, and
you just get everything.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
The way you like it.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I can't just pack.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Up and leave.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I don't have the kind of a job that's movable.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, I understand. Is this your first time calling my show?
By the way, yes, it is. Well, thank you very much.
It's always it's interesting. Give you a run of applause
from our digital studio audience here. It's always amazing. What's
what gets people to call? So I appreciate you calling tonight.
I hope you'll you'll call more. Clearly, you're not in
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that thirty two percent that have thought seriously about leaving.
But somehow, some way, we got to get these costs
out of the control because eventually they're going to run
out of people to tax. I mean, we have a
very generous, you know, welfare system, which is good for
poor people, great, and we're we're taxing wealthy people at
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a high rate. Eventually they're gonna have to They're gonna
start to increase taxes, even on the so called middle class.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
That's quite what Madre said about communism. Eventually you run
out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
She actually said that about socialism. Actually communism, that's a
whole different that's a whole different set of principles. Brand
do you a favorite, Keep keep call, keep calling my program.
I need I need guys like you, people like you,
men and women like you who are thoughtful. Too. Many
of my friends they live and die with the whether
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the Patriots are going to win this or lose. And
guess what. To me, that means nothing because I don't
play for the Patriots. I mean, I don't have any
close friends who play for the Patriots. But but I
do pay taxes and I don't know, Dave, maybe we
should get a Patriots question in here. What are you
more concerned about your energy bills or whether the Patriots
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go to the super Bowl. I wonder how that would
break out in Massachusetts. I don't know. Thanks Bran, Thank
you much, man, Thank you call again. Let me go
real quickly north of the border. Daryl and New Brunswick, Darryl,
how expensive are your energy costs up in New Brunswick.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
My energy costs are pretty cheap because I'm actually I
got the wood burning fireplace, and but we have no
natural gas supply, so uh, you got to they're trying
to push everybody on the heat pumps for the electricity,
and that goes back to Hi, Dave, how you doing
as well?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
But with that you mentioned uh Quebec, Hydroe and the pipelines.
We have tons of gas. We have hundreds of years
of gas up here in Canada. We're ready to ship
it down to you guys. We just need that pipeline,
like you mentioned, we have a nuclear facility that they
just went to restart recently. It's called in New Brunswick.
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It's called Lapro l E L E p R E
A U and they went to restart it. It wouldn't start.
And now we come into this cold snap. And so
if we have Pyro or rolling out, it's because again
what you mentioned about lack of maintenance. And but the
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one thing you might like to know is they had
a bid for a natural gas power plant up here
and it was awarded to a US company.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But that's your thing. Hopefully it's a good thing for
Canadians like you and for for for US business interest.
I hate to do this to you, Daryl, but you
you're the last call of the er and I'm up
against the eleven. Give me a call later on during
the week and we can pick up on this conversation. Okay,
but I'm out of I am out of time at
this hour. Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Mabe's it zero degrees with minus eighteen winche.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Wow, wow. Keep that fireplace working. Keep that fireplace working,
Darryl Okay, cheers, guys, Thanks much. Dave Bairey Loogus, always
interesting to talk to. Maybe you should you should do
a poll. All kidding aside, what what concerns you more?
Rising energy costs or whether the Patriots get into the
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Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I'd love to see the the gender breakdown on that one.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Guess what, there's a lot of women fans. There's a
lot of women fans who were Patriots fans, a lot
of people. Look at those people. You got sixty thousand
people out of the parking lot every day.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Oh, I see him Tailgate.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Hey dad, we'll talk soon. Okay, thanks man, Thank you
so much for your generous generosity of time. Thank you,
my friend. Dave Paleologus, Suffolk University. We're coming back after
the eleven o'clock news and I'm not sure what we're
going to talk about, but I got a couple of
ideas walking, and we'll see you on the other side.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm YOUBSY Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, there was an interesting poll that was conducted by
Dave Paleologus of Suffolk University conjunction with Boston Globe. Poll
of five hundred Redish voters in Massachusetts, conducted in late November.
Margin of era four plus and minus four point four percent.
Uh at Dave the portion of the poll. First of all,
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welcome back to Nightside, mister Paleologus, how are you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It is great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I'm well, yep, it'sund great. It's always so. I caught
a lot of this. It was a pretty comprehensive poll,
dealt with favorability ratings of politicians and all that. But
in the last twelve months, you asked voters in Massachusetts,
have you considered leaving Massachusetts because of the cost of
living here? Yes or no? Pretty simple question. A third
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of them, thirty two point four percent, said yes. I
found that to be a very surprising number because you
qualified it. You didn't say have you ever thought about
leaving Massachusetts? You said in the last twelve months. Were
you surprised by that response? That the number of people
who have actually admitted to thinking about it in the
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last twelve months.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh totally, you know, in the last twelve months. And
it's not a totally a political thing, a presidency thing,
because you know, the last twelve months we've had two
presidents technically, but when we've were spoiled. When you think
of Massachusetts as the state where healthcare is number one, hospitals, education, biotech,
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for that many people one in three to say that
they're considered leaving here because of the cost of living
was an eye opening finding and it kind of matches
some of the other questions on the economy too. But
just that one question alone, you know, kind of broke
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along party lines where you know, more Republicans say they
would want to leave than Democrats. That can be expected.
But even among independence then, I mean it was almost
four and ten, it was thirty seven percent of independence
and as you know, Independence make up two thirds of
the registered voters in.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That Yeah, that's the point. The Republican parties like eight percent,
so at this point almost their viewpoints are relatively irrelevant.
But when you start talking about the independence saying forty percent, boy,
that's that's that's that is a big number. And there's
all sorts of issues. You know, inflation and the cost
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of living. Well, is inflation worse here than it is
elsewhere in the United States. I mean, you weren't asking
people if they were thinking of leaving the country. You
ask you if they were leaving Massachusetts. Now, maybe some
in there might be thinking about leaving the country, but
I suspect most of them were looking to either go
north through New Hampshire or south to Florida, or to
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Tennessee or to Texas.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, you know, and we probed a little bit about
individual household budgets and when your listeners are thinking about, like,
what's the biggest strain right now on your household budget,
we throw in utilities just as an afterthought. I mean,
most of the issues were the technical issues childcare, housing, groceries, healthcare,
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and so on. I didn't expect utilities to be the
number one issue. I mean, we threw it in because
there was a lot of social media activity about utilities
to come and existing being high, and that did resonate
with Republican voters, but it was high among independents as well.
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Twenty one percent were citing utilities as as a real
problem and a financial strain in the budgets of people
right now. And I expected going into this question that healthcare,
you know, which was number two, or housing, which was
also timed with number two, to be right at the top,
but that wasn't the case.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Twenty one percent
said utility is the biggest strain, and I guess that's
understandable because that is the groceries. You can control groceries
a little bit. Healthcare is controllable. You're housing cost of
fairly fixed. But yeah, it's the utilities that all of
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a sudden last winter we saw so many big spikes
in electricity and heat, all the stuff that you need
during the wintertime. So it's you know, we've been losing
people for a long well, we haven't been losing people,
but we've been losing representation in Congress. I remember when
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I was a kid, we had sixteen members of the House.
We're now down to nine. So our delegation in the
House has been cut in half. And the more people
that leave, and we've had an outflow of people leaving Massachusetts,
no suggestion that's going to stop. I don't think the
politicians particularly care about it, as long as the people
who are left elect them. It's never been an issue
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in any of the campaigns that I can remember, can
you no?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And you know, when you look when I looked first
looked at the cross tabs, and I was looking at utilities,
you know, it was only seventeen percent saying utilities, which
is still high among Democrats, and thirty three percent among Republicans.
But it really didn't split that way when you looked
at race, and when you looked at a combination of
both black and A span voters, it was over thirty
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percent utilities, not twenty one. And so you know, these
these kinds of financial strains are hitting people all across
the board.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But the Republicans aren't here in the state. Then they
don't have enough people in the legislature to say we're
going to file a piece of legislation. I mean, that's
that's the weakness of the two party system. We have
a one party system in Massachusetts, so we basically there's
no reason for the Democrats to get particularly concerned about it.
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What are they going to do? Why they're in control
in both the House and Senate. Again, I'm not looking
for you to advocate for a two party system, but
we have really a two party system, Democrats and unenrolled,
not Democrats and Republicans.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Well, I was just gonna say that's the sleeping giant.
And a lot of people don't realize this, but Massachusetts
has the highest percentage of independent voters of any state
in the country. It's sixty seven percent. So that's why
Republican governors get elected in Massachusetts from time to time,
because those candidates can tap into independence. It's not the
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Republicans that can save the day in Massachusetts, it's those
independent voters. And independent men in Massachusetts tend to be
a little bit more concerntive than independent women.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And by the way, it's it's more frequently than people realize,
because when you go back you have obviously Charlie Baker
most recently, but Mitt Romney, Paul Salucci, Bill Weld. We've
had more Republican governors in the last let's say, three
or four decades than we've had democratic governors. I mean
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Mike County.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Absolutely, absolutely. And the way that that happens is again
it is linking Republicans. Is they basically do polling and
they link Republicans and independence where they agree most on
a battery of issues and then they make those the
Lynchkin issues. What devout Patrick did and what more Heally
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did was the opposite. Those candidates were able to link
issues that were important to Democrats and independence and make
them their coalition.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Let's do this on Dave. Let's let's get some phone
calls if people would like to ask questions about this
poll or other polls. There's a lot more in the
poll in terms of the favorability unfavorability. It was interesting
as I looked at all the different numbers of the politicians.
This was before Iana Presley chose not to run for
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the Democratic Senate nomination, which that sigh of relief your
head was coming from Senator at Markey. She she would
she was leaving in a three way race Presley, Marky,
and Seth Moulten, and without her there, you know, Markey
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has a very comfortable lead on Seth Moulten. And it
just shows that in Massachusetts we're not going to see
many changes in the in the next year or so.
I don't think based upon what I'm seeing right now,
and I'd love to know what you think. So I'll
ask you that when we come back, and we'll leave
it open to other questions, uh, political questions or otherwise
(09:15):
economic questions. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. If you'd
like to be speak to a pollster and maybe even
take a little mini poll as to some of the
questions that we're here, love to have you join the conversation.
This is the state where we all have chosen to live,
at least for now. And uh, it looks as if
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beer had been We've had an outflow. We've had out
migration in Massachusetts for the last few years. I don't
have the numbers in front of me, but I can
tell you traditionally more people leave Massachusetts than come and arrive.
Even though we have all these great colleges, college and
universities where people come from all over the country to
go to colleges on either side of the Charles River.
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To College is in in in suburbs, Baps and and Tofts,
great schools and Williams and Amherst and UMass all the
new mass schools. They're coming, but they're not staying.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Six seven thirty, six, one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Back on Nightside with your calls and questions for Dave
Paleo Logus Suffolk University poster. He does a lot for
a variety of media outlets. This particular poll was in
conjunction with the Boston Globe. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio, we're.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Joined by Dave Paleo logus poster for Suffolk University. Also
he is often a pollster with Suffolk University in conjunction
with the Boston Globe. And we're talking about a statistic
that I find really interesting. I think Dave does as well,
that in the last twelve months, some one third of
those polls said they have considered leaving Massachusets is because
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of the cost of living here. Simple yes or no answer,
Yes thirty two point four percent, No, sixty seven point
six percent. I think that's an extraordinary number. Dave Paleologus,
let's get some phone calls. Let me go first to
Jack and Newton. Jack, you were on with Dave Paleologus
talking about the poll and the Globe, and I think
kind of a shocking statistic that a third of the
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gunwealth of Massachusetts have thought about leaving the base state
in the last year.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Welcome yea how you doing, mister Pealeogus. You yeah, I think, well,
I'm one of those people, you know, the one and
three that have thought of leaving. And I've lived here
forty years, even longer than my previous city, Milwaukee. And
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it's economics. I'm eighty years old. I do work, but
I have, you know, kind of a fixed income in
terms of Social Security and whatever. And if I even
have a two point eight percent mortgage for thirty years
or twenty five, but I might leave. I mean, what's
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what protects me is I only pay eight hundred and
forty four dollars for a mortgage. That's you know, P
I T I, principal interest, taxes and insurance. But the
taxes are going up. They live in Newton, so I leave.
But it's the insurance that's also going up. And also
not only that, the insurance on cars, insurance on my condo.
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So it's not medicine. I'm covered by Medicaid. It's the
you know, the increase almost every year. You know, it's
not I'm worried that my Social Security won't cover that monthly.
Not this we call it. They said, I mean that's
the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Well, that's a that's a, that's an amazing city. You
live in Newton. I mean that's that's a world class
And I would just ask where would you go? Where
would you move?
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Two?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And how would that all work logistically?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well? Where can I move? I mean, as you get older,
you're affected by the cold, So probably would you moved
to a warmer climate, not Florida. I don't like Florida,
but I don't know North Carolina or something. But I'm
a kind of a New Englander, you know. I mean
I like New England. I like the cold even sometimes,
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but that's a real My children. My daughter lives in
Rhode Island. My son might have moved also, but he
got a good mortgage rate and lives in Tewksbury. I
noticed in your police the people like from eighteen to
twenty five are leaving and I want to leave, and
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people sixty five and older. And I believe that younger
people because the rents are so high, and the older
people because if they're going to fix the income, the
expenses are getting too high. Plus uh, plus the code.
I think the weather. It's an issue also. Those are
the two groups that are and I really believe that
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it should be a political issue. The politicians really should
face it. And I'd like to ask, you know, what
can we do about these, you know, issues like utilities politically,
especially utilities. I agree with Dan some of the other
things that can't change to reefily, but you know, utilities
and also rent too, but utilities, how can we Well.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
I think there's political decisions politically, Jack, Jack, the political
decisions made where Governor Heays was very proud a couple
of years ago that she had stopped some gas pipelines.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So you had that pressure on a democratic governor. Now
with with the cold coming at us, quicker she's saying, well,
I didn't really say that, Yes she did, because we
have the miracle of videotape. So we you know, if
we if we have fewer gas pipelines, then there's fewer
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supplies that are that are immediately available. You know. You know,
those are political decisions that that have cost us in
other parts of the country. You know, the governor might
be a little bit more friendly to you know, you know,
he goes back, it goes back fifty years, Jack. Everybody
was remember when they hit Seabrook demonstrations up at Seabrook.
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Nobody the demonstrators clamshellow lines they move didn't want nuclear power.
We found out now that nuclear power is safe and
and there's some countries around the world, like France that
rely on nuclear power, and I'm sure they're cost her
a lot more reasonable than ours. I mean, I just
think it's bad decisions.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, the Globe Articla, I think talked about the infrastructure
that we're paying for this infrastructure. I don't know what
that me and mister Pella logan is. Why is that
the infrastructure those pipelines, I didn't quite understand that.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
They if they're old, they got to get repaired, got
to be.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Repaired, upgraded, And so we are paying increased rates because
of the repairing the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, who else is going to pay for that? Jack?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Right? Otherwise it's a health has are not explaining this
to us, and I think it's going to be a
big issue.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, it's like your car jack. If you keep your
car as I keep my cars long, there comes a
point in time where the repairs force you to say, well,
I got to bite the bullet and get another new
car here. I mean, you know, yeah, same principle.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I'd like to know what we could do politically about it.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
But well, if you had if you had a two
parties safe, you might have some Republicans up there will
come up with ideas and proposals that would have a
chance of passing. I don't know. I remember a long
time ago being on an airplane with Governor Hugh Gallon
of New Hampshire was a Democrat. This is got to
be in the early nineteen eighties and we were at
the back of the plane talking about hydro power from Quebec.
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It's taken forty years for us to get any hydro
power from forty five years to come get hydro power
from Quebec coming into Massachusetts into New England. And Hugh
Gallen a Democrat, and Nick rother Dave I'm sure remembers
Hugh Gallan. He was, you know, much more of a
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centrist Democrat that a Democrat could get elected governor in
New Hampshire. He was open to that possibility.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
We you know, I'm going to talk to my Democratic
state reps in Newton, Brookline, other places. I don't care.
I mean, I'm going to tell them, I don't care
if you're a Democrat or what. We got to reduce
these you know, increases.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Jack, let me ask you a question, Jack, who do
you blame you? You would yourself, you admittedly said, I
am one of those people that you polled and said
yes and this question and you considered moving out. Who
do you Which party do you blame for the position
that you're in orpen?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I blame both parties. I think they're both in the
hands of the utility companies or in the palm of
them through whatever you know, lobbying are I blame both
of them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
But you do know, Jack, that the Republicans have four
members out of forty in the state Senate, so they represent.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
I guess I blame the Democrats more than let me say, and.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Republicans I think have about twenty six or so
twenty seven members of the state legislature, which is about
fifteen percent because there's one hundred of the House of Representatives,
because we have one hundred and sixty members and the Democrats,
you know, and good for them, Democrats.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Know how to I'd like to I'd like to see
this be a bipartisan issue, you know, not pitting one
party against another. It's a human issue. I mean, it's
our lives. Well, forget about the politics I can't afford
to stay of this state.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Jack, I'm totally with you. But what I'm saying is,
at this point, the Democrats have no competition. There's there's
no The Republicans don't come up with any great ideas.
They they should come up find some issues that they
that they could actually say, hey, elect us. They're happy
to sit up there and get re elected and be
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of one of four.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
We could vote for other Democrats who agree with me,
you know, we could. It doesn't have to be a
very publican. We could vote for somebody else if we
can get more people.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
To the power of the incumbency. Look at in the
in the poll, in the poll here, here's here's one question.
Should Ed Markey be re elected? Yes or no? Say yes?
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And it's like, well, I'm part of the sixty eight
cent say no, okay, But I really what I'm saying,
I want to see some new, fresh ideas from other Democrats.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Well that's that would be a start. That would be
a start. You have a congressman in Newton Archen class,
Jake Auchincloss, who was considering running against Marky, but he
decided correct me if I'm wrong there today, But uh,
he took a hard look at it, and uh and
and and didn't get into the starting gate O.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
He wimped out. I I have respect for uh, the
person you know, what's his name who's running, even if
you're going to lose, Seth to stand right to what's his.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Name of, Seth Moulton Steph.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I have respect for him, even if he loses, because
he stood up and made his mark. I have respect
for that.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Jack, Jack, great phone call. Thank you very much. I
think you represent a lot of people and I hope
you have for more. Thank you, Jack.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'll be happy to talk to mister logos uh, you
know flying sort of speak if he wants. I think
I represent you know that one third group.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Maybe he'll include you in the next poll.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Jack fair enough, be happy to be happy. Give me
your in reach out to me. I'm on Suffolk dot
EEDU you can. You could reach me any any time.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Thanks Thank you, Jack, appreciate it, Thank you, good night.
Six one seven, two, five four ten, thirty six one
seven ninety. If you're fat, happy and contented with Massachusetts, great.
If you're somebody who feels that, hey, maybe it's time
to move on to greener pastures. Love to hear from you, Nick.
(21:34):
My guess Dave Paleologus is here. Uh, he'll take your questions,
maybe even give you a couple of the poll questions.
If you've ever thought about leaving Massachusetts in the last
twelve months and you're in that group that polled yes,
give us a call, like Jack, if you are somebody
who is you know, dedicated to to living here for
(21:55):
the rest of your life because everything is just great
in Massachusetts. Love to hear from you as well. Six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty And those of you who are actually thinking
about it, Where are you thinking of going back on
night side? Right after this?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
But I guess Dave Paiey Logus Suffolk University poster and
also does a lot of work with the Boston Globe,
and this is an interesting poll. Just reference that in
the your poll in our news cut in there at
the bottom of the hour. So people are talking about it.
Let's continue on here, Dave Payey Logus and see what
our listeners think they personalize about to a click just
(22:45):
dropped off unfortunately. Let me go to Tony in Rosslindale. Tony,
you're next on Night Side with Dave Paleia logus.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Go ahead, Tony, Hi, Dan and Dave.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You're welcome calling in.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
I feel like way of getting taxed to death. You know,
Mayor wu mart Heally don't want anybody to raise their property,
the real estate rental for everybody. They want to captain
at five percent. They want rent control. Why can't we
have a taxi control?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Well we do. It is called it's called Prop two
and a half, but the politicians like to work around that.
To be honest with you, Tony.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Yeah, I know they're just texting us to death. And
that's why there's going to be an exodus of people
leaving Massachusetts. Well, Mary Heally looks like looks like the
hero when she says that landlords are going to pay
the rental fee. Now, well, guess what, say the average
rent is three thousand dollars. What if a landlord has
(23:46):
ten units and ten of them they cake, say half
of them they came, that's fifteen grand he has to
pay out of parkt to find new tenants.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
How fair is that?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I think you're preaching. Did they converted? Dave? You want
to talk here to Tony and ask him a couple
of questions.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, I mean Tony raises a couple of really important points.
But to start, I mean, Michelle wou actually has a
higher favorability in the statewide pole than the governor Marhey.
She was at fifty two percent. Marhey's under fifty percent,
not only in favorability but in the deserve reelect number.
So some of this is starting to stick. And you know,
(24:29):
it's not common that you see a governor polling in
the forties for favorability, and her unfavorability is almost forty.
It's in the high thirties, which is a little bit
high for a democratic governor. So some of these issues
like utility costs, the cost of living, rent and other
(24:52):
related issues that we probed in the poll are a problem.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
She traditionally does extremely well in elections among Democrats obviously,
but independent women, and she seems to be holding that base.
But she's lost men independent men in this poll, and
not enough probably to matter at this point. But it's
a signal. You know, it's not a red light, it's
(25:19):
a it's a flashing yellow light. And I think that's
why she has, you know, put some new people on
her campaign team and started to rev up her own operation,
because there there's there's a disconnect, there's a messaging disconnect here.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Well, if I if I I'm a guy, if I
voted for a guy just because he's a guy, isn't
that sexism? Just some kind of form of discrimination? What
these these people keep voting for WU, I don't know
understand why? What what kool aid is she given them?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
She's connecting the dots on issues people care about. And
it's only in Boston, so you know. But in this poll,
she i the fact that she took on Trump and
went down to Washington. Whether you agree with Trump or
to disagree or like him or not, in Massachusetts, going
against Trump as a net positive because more independents are
(26:13):
left leaning except for some independent man as I say, so, well, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
You spartlight up for them when they point to Trump
and blame him for everything, Well, I don't see him
being the cause for a thirteen point four percent real
estate tax increase.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
When they.
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Tie people's hands and they just force everything down our roads.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well that point and what I would say in terms
of those specific issues, Tony, that you're talking about is
that there's going to be a menu of ballot questions
that speak to what you've just said. One potential ballot
question will reduce the state income tax from five percent
to four percent by twenty twenty nine. There's another ballot
(26:58):
question on affordability. There are a bunch of ballot questions
that the eight Attorney general is gonna have to weed through.
But obviously there are a lot of people who feel
both partisan and who are just angry at the status quo,
and they feel the only recourse they have is to
(27:20):
put a question on the statewide ballot.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You know, I sure wish we had that over three
billion dollars they spent on all the illegals comeing into Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, you know, I all I can say is that,
you know, there are a lot of negatives in Massachusetts,
and you know, I tend to be kind of like
rooting for the home team. I'm always hoping the state
does extremely well. We've had a state legislature, whether you
like them or not, that's always had a big rainy
(27:53):
day fund, and so a lot of people like having
that big Randy had that you know, big Rainy Day
Fund because it was prudent to have it for times
when it rains, and you know, when that money runs out,
people have to say was it justified or not. You're
suggesting it wasn't justified, and that will flesh itself out
(28:15):
at the ballot box if that becomes one of the
main issues. We don't know yet who the Republican nominee
for governor will be, and there's going to be a
very contested Republican primary.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
So well, remember this, David and Tony. When the Snap
benefits were threatened by Trump and the Republicans from in Washington,
the governor said she wasn't going to touch the rainy
Day fund. Well, if I was a SNAP beneficiary and
(28:49):
I didn't know where my food was coming from next week,
basically basically, how you know, you would think that that
would have been the first place the Governor Healy would
have gone and said, look, let's let's spend a couple
one hundred million dollars and put everybody's mind at ease
so that their benefits will be provided. She didn't do that,
(29:12):
which I didn't understand. But but if she doesn't pay
a political price for it, and if people don't care.
And if they say, hey, let her keep the rainy
Day fund there because there may be another wave of
illegals coming in to take care of If that's what
people come to believe, that she's gonna have trouble in
the election a year from now. But people have short memories, Tony,
(29:34):
in my opinion, and I'm sure that.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, I know that, But you know what, she looks
like the hero because I'm going back on capping the
changing the realtor feed to the landlords because she's looking
like the hero's all of the tendants when in actuality
three thousand dollars per month.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Oh yeah, that you're a landlord, and so you're upset
about that.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Lord, Yeah, but I have I have a handful of apartments.
If I had to change ten apartments over, that's all
get out of my pocket.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I get it. But that's the state. That's the that's
a play from the same playbook that Mamdani is using
in New York. I mean, you're going to have rent
control in the ballot here a year from now. The
real estate industry and landlord's been a smart number. You're
going to have rent control across the state. In Massachusetts
(30:26):
as well. Yeah, but I'm just I'm not I agree
with you, Tony, but I'm just telling you people are
asleep at the switch. It's as simple as vote for.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
These two people. I wish Tom Harmon would take Helium
Wu too well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I mean, but you have to also think in terms
of the prism that political people think, which is how
many landlords are there in the Commonwealth and how many
tenants are there, And so they do the math and
they figure out, well, if I'm measuring this issue in
terms of votes, and let's be real, that's that's one
of the.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Soul for both by opening the border for years.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
But just one other thing I'd like to I'd like
to say, guys, and I'd like to hear if Dave
agrees with me on this, and that is that if
you're very wealthy, you can afford to live in Massachusetts.
If you're living based and what is it they're saying,
I think it was one out of eight people in
(31:26):
Massachusetts are on benefits. If you are relying upon the
state for your welfare, snap benefits, food stamps, whatever you want,
it's a great state to live in because there's there's
a lot of benefits here. The people who are really
getting screwed are guys like Tony in Roslindale, he's trying
(31:48):
to do the right thing, or people who are working
their butt off and and the taxes keep going up
and there's just not enough. Tony's in Massachusetts. The wealthy
could kill less and the people who are benefiting from
the government large, yes, well, they're not going to turn
(32:10):
against the Democrats. And the Republicans don't know how to
message anything. When was the last time you heard a
Republican with a message that that that appealed to you, Tony,
It's been a while. It's been a while. Guys. I
got to run here because they got a break coming up. Tony,
do me a favor, call this program more often. Please you.
(32:31):
You're the You're the person who I want to try
to represent UH on the air because you're doing the
right thing. You're trying to build the economy in Massachusetts
and they're not making it easy for you.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Thank you very much, Thank you, good night.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Take a quick break, coming right back with Dave Pale
and Logus poster an extraordinary poster. He has. He has
the heartbeat of Massachusetts, and all of his polls joined
the conversation. Be right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's Nightside with Dany Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Next up, let's go to Brand in Dyton. Brand, you
were next on Nice Side with Dave Pata and Logus.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Welcome, Oh, thank you, thanks for taking my call. You know,
I've lived in Massachusetts all my life and I wouldn't
want to leave, but I thought about it because of
the cost of utilities. I just I'm having breakfast one
day and I talked with somebody that works to the
(33:31):
gas company, and the guy just says to me, you
want to look at your bill and see what the
delivery charges on there. So I started looking at my
bill now, and it just so happens. October of twenty
twenty four is just about when my mortgage was paid off.
(33:53):
But my my gas bill started going up crazy. But
I could afford it because of not having the mortgage payment.
So I looked at my last bill and they break
it down by percentage. Thirty percent of the bill was
actual gas that I paid for ye the other seventy
(34:14):
percent was a delivery charge and a community improvement charge.
Seventy percent. That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Welcome to Massachusetts, Brand.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
I'm I'm a New Englander. I would never want to
live anyplace else but New England. My father was like that,
I'm like that. I just love knowing and I love
where I live and the house I live in, and
you just get everything.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
The way you like it.
Speaker 7 (34:46):
I can't just pack.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Up and leave.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I don't have the kind of a job that's movable.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, I understand. Is this your first time calling my show?
By the way, yes, it is. Well, thank you very much.
It's always it's interesting. Give you a run of applause
from our digital studio audience here. It's always amazing. What's
what gets people to call? So I appreciate you calling tonight.
I hope you'll you'll call more. Clearly, you're not in
(35:13):
that thirty two percent that have thought seriously about leaving.
But somehow, some way, we got to get these costs
out of the control because eventually they're going to run
out of people to tax. I mean, we have a
very generous, you know, welfare system, which is good for
poor people, great, and we're we're taxing wealthy people at
(35:35):
a high rate. Eventually they're gonna have to They're gonna
start to increase taxes, even on the so called middle class.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
That's quite what Madre said about communism. Eventually you run
out of other people's money.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
She actually said that about socialism. Actually communism, that's a
whole different that's a whole different set of principles. Brand
do you a favorite, Keep keep call, keep calling my program.
I need I need guys like you, people like you,
men and women like you who are thoughtful. Too. Many
of my friends they live and die with the whether
(36:12):
the Patriots are going to win this or lose. And
guess what. To me, that means nothing because I don't
play for the Patriots. I mean, I don't have any
close friends who play for the Patriots. But but I
do pay taxes and I don't know, Dave, maybe we
should get a Patriots question in here. What are you
more concerned about your energy bills or whether the Patriots
(36:35):
go to the super Bowl. I wonder how that would
break out in Massachusetts. I don't know. Thanks Bran, Thank
you much, man, Thank you call again. Let me go
real quickly north of the border. Daryl and New Brunswick, Darryl,
how expensive are your energy costs up in New Brunswick.
Speaker 8 (36:58):
My energy costs are pretty cheap because I'm actually I
got the wood burning fireplace, and but we have no
natural gas supply, so uh, you got to they're trying
to push everybody on the heat pumps for the electricity,
and that goes back to Hi, Dave, how you doing
as well?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
But with that you mentioned uh Quebec, Hydroe and the pipelines.
We have tons of gas. We have hundreds of years
of gas up here in Canada. We're ready to ship
it down to you guys. We just need that pipeline,
like you mentioned, we have a nuclear facility that they
just went to restart recently. It's called in New Brunswick.
(37:42):
It's called Lapro l E L E p R E
A U and they went to restart it. It wouldn't start.
And now we come into this cold snap. And so
if we have Pyro or rolling out, it's because again
what you mentioned about lack of maintenance. And but the
(38:04):
one thing you might like to know is they had
a bid for a natural gas power plant up here
and it was awarded to a US company.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But that's your thing. Hopefully it's a good thing for
Canadians like you and for for for US business interest.
I hate to do this to you, Daryl, but you
you're the last call of the er and I'm up
against the eleven. Give me a call later on during
the week and we can pick up on this conversation. Okay,
but I'm out of I am out of time at
this hour. Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
Mabe's it zero degrees with minus eighteen winche.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Wow, wow. Keep that fireplace working. Keep that fireplace working,
Darryl Okay, cheers, guys, Thanks much. Dave Bairey Loogus, always
interesting to talk to. Maybe you should you should do
a poll. All kidding aside, what what concerns you more?
Rising energy costs or whether the Patriots get into the
(39:01):
Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I'd love to see the the gender breakdown on that one.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Guess what, there's a lot of women fans. There's a
lot of women fans who were Patriots fans, a lot
of people. Look at those people. You got sixty thousand
people out of the parking lot every day.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Oh, I see him Tailgate.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Hey dad, we'll talk soon. Okay, thanks man, Thank you
so much for your generous generosity of time. Thank you,
my friend. Dave Paleologus, Suffolk University. We're coming back after
the eleven o'clock news and I'm not sure what we're
going to talk about, but I got a couple of
ideas walking, and we'll see you on the other side.
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