August 14, 2024 • 40 mins
The state of Massachusetts is spending about $1 billion a year on emergency shelters throughout the state. The Boston Globe as well as other media outlets, have tried to examine how the state is spending that much money on the shelter system. Unfortunately, all the records that have been publicly requested have most of the pertinent information blacked out. Where is the money used to run emergency shelters in MA going and how is it being distributed? Those are the big questions that remain unanswered…but why?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night with Dan Ray on Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome back, Thank you, Kyle, appreciated very much. We are
talking about the migrant crisis here in Massachusetts, which the
Healy administration is now in some turbulent political waters. I
have not and cannot quote some recent polls, but I've
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seen some polls which indicate that the governors has been
aggravating not only people who are inclined to oppose her
most things political, but even amongst those people in the
past who have supported her. The problem is that migrants
have flocked to Massachusetts because we have a sort of
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an open shelter policy. It's called the Right to Shelter Law,
which was passed in this state in nineteen eighty three
assignment then Governor Michael d'caccas, which was essentially intended to
make sure that people who are living in Massachusetts, if
they were women, or if they were particularly women who
were pregnant with children, with or without children, that they
would always have shelter. And during the course of various
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times that capacity has been tested. But with the influx
of God knows how many migrants who do not have shelter,
the situation just exploded last year, and it exploded as
a result of our open border policy, which the administration
is low to criticize. But now we've had we have
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become really a state that has got a crisis on
his hands. And today the Boston Globe did a really
in depth investigative report which we've alluded to for those
of you who are just joining us, written by Stephanie
Ebert Ebert and Deirdre Fernandez, essentially saying that the state
does not want to provide information to us, the citizens
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about how our money a billion dollars a year is
being spent on hotels and shelters and meals and laundry
and taxi cabs and medical services. And with us holding
through the newscast is Stephen from Weston, who apparently has
talked to some hotel owners. And these are not five
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star hotels. This is not the hotel Front and Act Steven.
These are hotels that in the past, we're lucky on
a great weekend to get to eighty percent capacity for rooms,
there were one hundred and twenty nine, maybe one hundred
and thirty nine dollars, and now they're getting three three
hundred and fifty dollars and a guarantee of the years
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of a hotel. We're filled to capacity for a year,
and we can't find out who the owners of these
hotels are, amongst other things. Go ahead, Stephen, you told
us that you had talked to one owner who said, Hey,
I don't take the money, some other hotel will.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, that's absolutely the case. Then and again, just to
you know, just to reiterate, they're not paying the state
is not paying market rates here. The state is paying
free and then sometimes four case four times what the
rates were prior to this migrant crisis. And you know,
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that's why they're not being That's why the state's not
being transparent with this, and that's why you know, that's
because they don't want you and I the taxpayer to
know that. You know, you know, I think it started
out at forty five million a month back in twenty
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twenty three. Of our tax dollars, we're being spent on this.
When they originally proposed this, they they allocated five hundred
million dollars and within two weeks of that allocation, they
they said they were going to have a budget shortfall
for next year. But they but they were quick to
point out that that shortfall had nothing to do with
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this crisis. Well, of course, have one without the other.
Of course it's just ludicrous, of course ludicrous. They they're
they're insulting, you know, the citizens of Massachusetts that that
work hard in Bay Texas. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The funny thing about it is that one point I
was gonna say, if they put people up, let us
say at you know, the Intercontinental Hotel in downtown Boston,
or the Ritz or four Seasons of the Meridian, uh,
the the the the Mandarin Oriental, and we're paying three
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or four hundred dollars a night, people would be outraged.
What they're doing is they're putting them in you know,
large lodge type hotels, you know in places like taunt
And and Wooburn, and you know cities that were no
one's flocking to, sadly, and they are paying prices of
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three hundred dollars. Look at this. There was a no
big taxicab contract on the Cape, which I hope someone
gets some information on some taxicab company in Truro which
was providing taxicab service for migrants six million dollars a year.
How many taxi cab rides in the Cape could you
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take to have to spend six million dollars. Yeah, there's
a lot of cab rides, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And and the and the hotels, and the hotels like
the Meridian in the you know, a Mandarin Oriental. Those
are reserved for the governor and her staff. Those, yes,
and those are three thousand the night right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Absolutely absolutely, yeh Uh. It's like you know, the hotel
front On. I came Quebec. Look uh, these towns Norfolk,
uh in taunting uh and and Plymouth down to the
Cape where they've had some of these problems. And the
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school systems, the schools were about to have the influx
of students set upon them, and no one in the
legislature turned around and said at some point, hey, look,
let's amend this nineteen eighty three law. This was there
was not no intention back then to house migrants. It
was intended for long term Massachusetts residents who found themselves
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in a bad, you know, situation financially and maybe even domestically.
That is what the purpose was back in nineteen eighty three.
This law, this law has been totally misapplied in terms
of what its original intent and original purpose was. And
I think that if the Globe keeps pushing on this.
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We're going to get more and more information and it's
gone to it's going to inuit the benefit, to the
to the credit of the globe. They're doing good work
on this, and they're doing good work which is going
to embarrass an administration that they've primarily supported.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
They are and I think the one thing that hopefully
will come out of this is that as a country,
we can address this migrant crisis and realize that you know,
you know, we look at some of these governors that
are shipping these people to these other states like ours,
and as horrible as that is, I mean, at some
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point they these guys have been dealing with this in
our border states like Arizona and Texas and Nevada and California.
I mean, they've been dealing with us for years.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, and what are they going to do? They have
to they have Look, if we're not going to close
the borders, we're going to open the borders. Every state
should absorb some responsibility. We basically made our state a
magnet by not saying that this nineteen eighty three statute,
this right, the shelter Law, only applied to people who
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had been resided sidents of Massachusetts for you know, they
should have amended that a year ago. We knew that
this flood was coming, no doubt, Steven Love you call,
very strong, first time call. Please continue to call this program.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Okay, thanks so much, Thank you, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay, go and take a quick break. We're going to
get to more callers. We got Larry coming up, Mark,
and I got room for you. So I got one
call one line at six one seven, two, five, four
to ten thirty and two at six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. Look, when the Boston Globe wants
to call out the democratic governor of Massachusetts over the
issue of transparency, then I think we have crossed a
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rubicon here that the Globe cannot back down from. I mean,
they are still a very powerful institution. I know that
there are a lot of people who will be mad
at the Globe for having done this front page story today,
because obviously the attitude of many people are that the
governor's office should be saco saying and they should not
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be questioned and second guests because they're a democratic governor. Well,
the Globe took a strong stance to today. I say
hats off to the Globe. I hope you will as well.
You may not be a reader of the Globe, I am.
You may not even like the Globe. But when the
Globe does a story like this which does show I
think an absolute abuse, an abuse of what should be transparency,
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hats off to the Globe. There's two lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Feel free to join this conversation. This is
an important story. This might be a moment in time
where things could potentially change a little bit in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Back on Nightside Now, back to Dan Ray live from
the Window World nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Thanks to the calls. Larry is in Bill Ricca. Larry,
appreciate you joining us. You're next one Nightside, Go right ahead, Larry.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, Dan, thanks for taking my call out, longtime listener,
first time call.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wow, turn around, a little run of a close around. Look,
appreciate it. What's your thought on this this this Globe
article which really holds the feet of the healthy administration
of the fire on the issue of transparency.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, I was kind of thrilled to see the Globe
finally kind of go that way right. It's always been
it's always been perceived as a you know, favorable newspaper
towards the democratic kind of side of the house and
all the things and all the policies and associated with
that kind of Finally glad to see them kind of
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cutting both ways right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, well, you know, it's interesting. We always got to
separate the the editorial policy from the front page the
news stories. Now they've been very aggressive here with what
I would call a good piece of solid piece of
attempted investigated journalism. Hopefully this doesn't end with what they've
done today, and they'll continue to pursue this and if necessary,
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try to take the Heally administration a court to get
this information. It'll be interesting to see if there's a
Globe editorial in the next couple of days which supports
the investigative journalism I think them very well might be,
And that would be a stunning development.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Wow. I mean, something the Globe Spotlight team could certainly
take gone and go real deep if they if they
if they deem it necessary or something that they feel
as more more run way ahead of it. But I
guess my comment and what kind of that drove me
to call is you know, in the private sector, none
of what you just described from an expense perspective would be,
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you know, readily acceptable. I've worked in the private sector
and financial services for over thirty years, and you have
to kind of prove why an expense is contributing towards
the benefit of the of the business or contributing towards
you know, the future profits of the business. And to
your point earlier, what's the benefit of the state of Massachusetts?
And even where the governing accountability around reasonable rates that
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can be born by anybody who wants to use one
of the commercially available you know, travel sites out there,
you know, paying a playing a rate that's above above
market for God, forpid, you know, going into a suite
when you can stay in a regular room. Where's the
accountability if I do that? In the personal side, they
pay for it personally. Governa Healy wants to travel to
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the Wisconsin Rome, which I've been to. It's a beautiful
hotel and stay this week, Well, the state reim versuship
for one hundred and twenty five bucks. The rest is
on you.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, and you know that's great, that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I would yeah, I would hope, I would hope that
it's Sorry, interrupted, but I would I would hope that
that's something that, you know, if they really want to
show transparency, if the audit the audit department of the
state would take a look at.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah. And the other thing is that a lot of
these political candidates who get who are fortunate enough to
be elected to high positions, they have their campaign funds. Okay. Now,
I would think that legally there would be nothing that
would stop them from using campaign funds as opposed to
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tax dollars if they were going to travel somewhere, and
obviously they may choose to travel somewhere, but it was
seen to me that before going to the to the
public fisk to stay at these five star hotels, et cetera,
let the state give them a per diem for a
hotel loosen one hundred and twenty five dollars on hundred
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and fifty dollars, and then use their own political funds
to make up the difference. So that therefore they're making
the decision that they're going to up the amount of
money they're paying, but it would be out of if
not their personal pocket, it would be out of their
their their their fund, their political funds.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If you get my drift couldn't agree more. And I
you know another second point you were discussing on the migrats.
I mean, when the first plane hit, I forget to
it with Nan talking to Vinyon. I said to my wife,
this is going to become a much bigger issue, you know,
And back then it was it was deemed political fodder.
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But I think it was a little bit of what
Steve said. It's finally every other state that's been dealing
with this day in and day out, and every other
governor on both sides of the aisle that's been dealing
with us day in and day out, starting to try
to spread the love around. And you know, we've had
open arms until it until it hurts so much.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But well, well.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Someone needs to pay for this.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah. The people in Martha's Vinyon, if you remember, they
were thrilled that the migrants had arrived, and they landed
at Martha's Vinyon airport, and they gave them Martha's Vinyne
hats and Methis Mart's Vinyon T shirts, and they gave
them some sandwiches. They let them stay overnight at the church,
and then they put them on a bus the next day.
And headed it drove over right, you put them on
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the ferry to Cape Cod, so you know they dropped them.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They not in my back very quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, I think I think this is this
is you know, Governor it to your point, Governor Dukakas
did this back in the day to help folks in
need Massachusetts long term residence in need.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I think I agree with you wholeheartedly. It needs
to be revisited because right now it's being abused, but
it's being abused on everyone. Yes, and and and I
think this is a little case of the of the
much bigger order crisis that we've all been kind of
hearing and dealing with.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, if you if you remember back last at some
point it was last year or early this year, Governor
Healey and Lieutenant Governor Driscoll. Driscoll made an appeal to
Massachusetts residence and they said, gee, if you have a
spare room in your home, or or you have an
in law apartment that's not not being used, maybe you
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could welcome a migrant family. I still don't know if
any people in Massachusetts welcomed migrant families into their home.
If they did, my hat's off to those individuals. They're
better human beings. That's not virtue signaling, that's actually walking
the walk and talking the talk. And I think that,
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you know, if people do that, hats off to them.
But I will bet you the few and far between.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, I would bet you this few and far between,
and if we went up and down the hall of
the State House, there's zero.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, you know something. I'm not going to bet the
over on that number with you, Larry, Thank you so much,
great call, great first call. Come on back more often.
I need callers like you, okay, who are really effective
and efficient. Thank you, appreciate it. Night you too. Let
me go to Mark in Austin. Don't want Mark to
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have to wait through the newscast.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Go ahead, Mark, Okay, thanks for taking my call. Then,
I think this issue of the migrants, where the Heally
administration is withholding the information supposed lead to protect the
migrants from some kind of backlash. This is only the
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latest incident of a problem that's endemic on Beacon Hill.
With openness and transparency. That means yes, Governor Healy won't
even release her campaign contributions, even though she's legally retired
required to do so. And the state Auditor, a nice
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woman wants to do her job in order to state legislature,
and Speaker Marianna refuses, and every time it happens, the
rest of us are left to wonder what are they hiding?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, let me tell you this, Mark, You and I
sometimes disagree, but you could not be more correct in
my opinion. Tonight you're talking about the state Auditor, Diane
Dezaglio we've had on this show. As a matter of fact,
I think we might invite the auditor to come on
later this week and talk about this specifically, ailed this
one tonight for me. Mark, Yeah, yeah, And I wish
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I had mentioned auditor as ugly, oh, because she's up
there fighting for all of us, not just taxpayers, but
all of us who need to understand how this state
is being run. And not only is what happening with
our tax dollars, but other tax dollars being used effectively
and efficiently. This hotels, Mark, who are being paid three
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hundred dollars a night guaranteed for an entire year or
two years. This is a windfall. If I was a
hotel owner, If you were a hotel owner and you
own some sort of fleabag hotel somewhere that was never
you know, at capacity, and all of a sudden, some
guy walks in and says, hey, can we write you
a check three hundred times three hundred and sixty five times,
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however many rooms you have, we would.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Be yeah, thrilled. You know, I used to work as
seasonally as the election supervisor. Yes, And there was this
nice young woman graduate journalism student from China who'd never
heard of the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five.
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But it was right there in our procedures manual. So
I explained it there and one of my bosses at
city Hall, in the election department backed me up one
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Right, that's a little off topic to what we're talking
about here, So let's say that story for another night,
and let's just right right.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The point is, you know, if it's legally a matter
of public record, that should be that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah. Well, let me tell you. When they run for office,
they talk about transparency, and they talk about sunlight being
the greatest disinfectant. But the only one up there who
lives by that code of conduct, in my opinion, is
the state Auditor, Diane Dezaglio. And she is persona non
grata amongst the on Beacon Hill and let's hat so
we will try to get here on in the next
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week we talk about this. And by the way, she
happens to be a Democrat, which is great, which is.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Because I think that's phone too yop about that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you, Mark, appreciate you, Carl. I have a great night.
We've got to take a break here for news. At
the bottom of the hour, I get two lines at
six one seven, two, five four ten thirty and one
at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I
want to hear from you on this one. The Boston
Globe has taken a position today which is a huge
surprise to me. It's it's journalism at its best, and
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I want to give the Globe credit where credit is due,
and I hope some of you will do as well. Okay,
if you're not subscribers to the Globe, that's why I'm
telling you about this story today. This is good investigative journalism,
and it's investigative journalism of an administration. I either heal
the administration that the Globe has supported editorially and also
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on their newspages, but this carently was a step too far.
And the Globe has called them out, and I say,
hats off to the Globe. Let's talk about it here
on Nightside. Coming right back after.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
This Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Thank you very much, Kyle. Let me go to Mike
in California. Mike, welcome you next on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Go right here, sir, Dan, first time, long time.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Wow you. This is the third first team call in
a row. Whereabouts in California?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Join us from I split my time between the Bay
Air in southern California, but I actually spend a third
of my time in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, first of all, thank you very much, honored that
you would. I've never had to the rest of my knowledge.
We're we're coming into year eighteen here on Nightside. I
can tell you it's spent a long time since we've
had three first on Carlos in a row. Oh, thank
you very much. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
You and I share a high school Alma Mada and more.
Heley and I share a college on Malada.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Okay, Well, I got it.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Okay, I just find it interesting on a couple of fronts. One,
none of this is surprising, you know, I don't get
into politics at all, but obviously the people in Massachusetts,
wh I love continually electing people that you just really
have to scratch your head. None of this was a surprise,
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and one of the things that's facing challenges my backgrounds
in the military, the consulting in corporate world. Now, but
you know, we're coming to a financial crisis in this
country with the deficit, the fact that China owns half
of our debt, the fact that we've done an alliance
of China, Russia, Iran and possibly Turkey aligned against us,
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and we're focused on all the wrong stuff. And I
just find it a little ironic that the Globe, who
did a tremendous job in its spotlight series with the
Catholic Church, who's done wonderful things, but get unacceptable things
at time, that the healthy administration is following that same
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act of oh, there's a report of a sexual abuse.
Let's not let's not chronicle it, let's not report it,
let's just move the guy. Does that sound familion?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh, actually exactly, you're talking about the the alleged rape
at that Rockland shelter again, you know, by the way,
by the way, just so you know, that defendant had
his bail reduced to personal recognissance and was released, but
ICE figured that out and they arrested him yesterday, so
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he will remain in custody as I understand, and I
intend to probably reach.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Out to SPI. I spent a third of my time
in California, I spent a third time in New York
and a third of my time in Massachusetts. And you know,
what's going on in New York City is the same
thing with with with with the revolving bail and really
the people of all these cities, most of them good hardworking,
decent people, have to wake up and figure out who
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they they want to vote for.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Read the paper.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I'm not a big I'm not a big fan of
the Globe, but you've got to read it. And and
we're on an inflection point right now in terms of
not just domestically but globally how we want to address
these issues. And you know, ninety percent of the people
up there are just good, decent people that want to
get their kids educated, support their kids, and what have you.
And it's really unfortunate with and I got to say
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at the feckless political representation in the Massachusetts both at
the state level, and and and in Congress. Uh, but
people people keep electing them. You know, you have a
terrific show. I listen to you because not only are
you a high school alma model, but you run a
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very decent, informative show. And I think if the rest
of the country looked at the decent and sensible way
which you approach, you don't back down. You're not a
you know, you're not a soft touch, but you demand
decency and demand information. I really applied you free show,
and that's why I call it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, Mike, I appreciate it very much. I'm honored that
you're for that. You finally have called I hope you
become a regular caller and you have identified what this
show is supposed to be about. I'm very happy, uh,
and gratified that the Globe has taken this step today.
It had to have been a big step editorially for
the And again I think sometimes their editorial philosophy has
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leaked over onto its news pages, and I've called them
out on that. But this was an extraordinary piece. I
hope the Globe continues and pursues it, and we'll see
if they do. But we'll stay on top of it.
We have the healthcare crisis going on here, which also,
by the way, really in some ways is related back
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to the the priest pedophile crisis, which never should have happened,
a disgrace to the Catholic Church, a disgrace to the
leadership of the Catholic Church. We're trying to cover that up.
And coming back to the point you made initially, this
is the Healy administration falling into that same trap. So brilliant, call,
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I would expect nothing less from from a Boston Latin
school man Suma's PREMI and a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Dan, keep up, keep up the good work, all right, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Will, and I would hope that you will become a
regular contributor.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, just real quickly.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I listened to you all over the world. Wherever I am,
I listen. I listened to you all the time. The
Internet's a wonderful thing, and it just let you know
Boston's home. It lets me stay connected there and keep
up the good work.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I just came back from a trip with knightside listeners
to Italy, and I got to tell you, no matter
whenever I leave Boston, as thrilled as I am to
go to another part of the world and experience their culture.
It is always so gratifying to come back to this.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I said to some of the other I want Dan
Ray's job because you just get back from Ireland. Now
is in Italy. It's a great time. Yeah, thank curious.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Good night, Mike. Next time you Boston, give me a call,
love to meet up with you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Thanks well, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
All right, talk to you soon. Have a great one.
I'll tell you a call like that makes my night,
no question about it. Let me go to I lean
in Waltham. I lean you in next on Nightsacker right ahead, Yeah, good.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Ask what do you mean Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I know you were not a first time caller, but
you are just as valued. I want you to know that.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Go right ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
First of all, this is not a new problem.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's an old problem.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
It's just become exacerbated over the last year or so.
I have hired people to work for me and find
out they have social security licenses everything, and they're here illegally. Sure,
So it's been happening for a long time. It just
has become more aggressive. And my question and one of
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the questions, we're not answering is why is it being
a looved yea, that's what we need, that's the root cause,
and that's what we need to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, I'll give you an answer. I will give you
an answer. If you want an answer.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
I'll give you the answer to it, but you'll give
me yours list.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, my answer is that there are a lot of
people in this country, particularly in the legal community, okay,
who view their purpose not of enforcing the law, but
they view their purpose as somehow evading the law for
causes in which they happen to personally believe. So, for example,
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you have people here who believe that America should be
open to everyone on earth, despite what you know, what
we represent as a country. You know, we we have
an open immigration policy. All you have to do is
go to a consulate or to an embassy somewhere in
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the world and applied to to immigrate here. But we
have a right as a country, uh to to with
to to run our own borders and to and to
have borders. But there are people here who view our
form of government and our economy as something There was
an article in the Globe today about these uh, the
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these these fabian socialists out in western Massachusetts who were
who are still enthralled with UH Marx and Lenin and
Engles and Castro and UH and whomever else they might
and they're having these great meetings and they admit openly
they want to change our system. So you have those folks,
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and then you have people within the legal community who
are trying to use our own constitution, which is a
great document against against us, and they're they're they're ready
to UH to support people who have come here with
ill intent, have crossed our border knowing that they are
breaking our immigration laws, they are not complying with our system.
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But you have these willing accomplishments, accomplishes, accomplices, accomplish accomplices
in the Civil Liberties Union UH. The Civil Liberties Union
originally was founded to defend and protect free speech. Now
the levels the Civil Liberties Union is a group of
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political activists who feel that immigration and open borders how
this country should be run. Go ahead, your your your answer,
You answer your own question.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
First of all, let me quote I one of my
best friends started the Irish Immigration Center years ago. They
did great work and they helped people who really wanted
to come here become part of America, help them with
their paper, everything together here, and they had English. First
of all, most of these people, a lot of these
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they don't speak English. That creates a huge disruption of
your society when forty percent of people can't speak English.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, well that's a balkanization argument, and I tend to
agree with that. But if someone comes here and wants
to assimilate, I don't want to keep people out of
the country because they don't speak English. Because people can
learn learn it.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
They're not even interested in learning it. Kind of the
deal with the people I hied that they didn't speak
English is that they I would help them. I would
try the lords of Finish, and they should try the
Lords of English. They need no more attempt to do so.
It was too hot.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well that's a problem.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
That's a problem, and they watch Sesame Street. You can
learn English.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Did you see the piece in the globe we're talking
about today? If I could ask that question.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
But this also makes a roadblock for regular employees English speaking.
You know, a company like mine to hire people. It
just roughs your teamwork. There was no team work when
half of your employees time to communicate the other half
of your employees.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I agree. I understand that that's called the simulation.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
We had that problem where we're doing a job and
half of the people are sitting over there eating the
picture I just bought, and half of the people are
sitting over there eat the picture I just bought.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You know, Okay, I mean I think I think that
we are essentially in agreement on this. My question to
you is, did you did you happen to see the
globe the piece I'm talking about tonight.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
No, but I will get it and read it. But
here's the thing, if you if you want Lizzy there,
Senator Losey recently they the statement that she wanted to
make a path the citizenship for all these.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
People who said that of Senate Senator Warren Well, right,
that's exactly. She made it very clear. That's the purpose,
that's the goal, that is the goal.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
But if you go to Mexico, you have to learn
studis to become a Mexican citizen.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, and again to learn German.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, we may have lost that argument here, Okay. I
don't know that we can impose or that that language
requirement on potential immigrants, but I think we need to
be able to say if you're going to come here,
we got to know who you are. We got to
know what your skills are. We want to know why
you're coming here, and we will make a decision as
to whether or not we accept you. And if you
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happen to be a nurse or a doctor who's qualified
coming here from a place like Bangladesh, you go to
the front of the line. If you're a lawyer coming
here from Ireland, we had probably too many lawyers in America,
you go to the back of the link. Think, well,
I'm already here. I was born here. I was lucky.
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But I'm also a dual citizen. I have my Irish
citizenship as well. But I did it the right way.
I didn't break into Ireland. I have through you know,
through their their immigration law, so I have a dual citizenship.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
These politicians think these people can come and just get jobs.
It's not that easy.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I agree, I agree, pay I lean. I got to
run here because I'm way past my broadcasting.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
I wanted to say quickly, is the cost to US
school system, especially Boston is astronomical, no question.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And you don't even count it in terms of dollars.
You counted in terms of lost learning time, simple as that. Ilean,
thank you, gotta go bye bye. We'll take a quick break.
Coming right back on nightside. We got some open lines
six one seven, four ten thirty, six one, seven thirty.
This is a I think, an extraordinary opportunity to one
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agree with the Globe and also commend them for taking
a position that probably caused some discomfort within some aspects
of the newsroom. Uh. This is this is a good
piece of journalism we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the window World,
light Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Back to the poosergos. Go to Eileen and Hull. Eileen,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Oh well, I'm doing okay, but I had to call
about this. I didn't read the article, uh in the Globe,
but I will read it. And my issue is government
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responsibility should be first of all, for for the citizens
of our state who've been here lie long. And I
happen to have a very unpopular need which is almost
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not mentionable, which is a son with mental illness who
requires care, and the state is really not doing as
much as they should for the people that they purged
from mental hospitals. It's a very unpopular issue, but it's
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the issue that I'm dealing with.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I agree with you. I agree with you, Eileen, and
I think that more attention needs to be given to that,
and we can do follow up stories on that, particularly
in the context of what's going on with this. But
I can't focus a lot on this on that tonight.
But I think it's good that you made that point,
because it's a good counterpoint that as we focus all
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of this attention on people who have just arrived, we're
ignoring people who are here and who need help. And
I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Okay, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It, well said Next up, Pauline and air. Pauline, you
were next on nice, I go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Good, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Okay, well, if you get off the speakerphone, you'd be
just perfect. So can you get off the speakerphone. Let's
put Pauline on hold, Folks. Someone should have told her
to get off the speakerphone. Let me go to Kathy
in Boston. Kathy, Pauline, we'll get back to you, I promise.
Go ahead, Kathy, Hey, welcome, how are you.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
I don't have a problem with the migrants, but I
have a problem of you not taking care of your
household is like me saying I will not feed my
kids and go and feed someone else kids and I
and you know you should. For example, I was out.
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I'm a mail carrier. I was hurt. I was hurt
and I was and I wasn't getting my full pay
and I need an extra help. And I I applied
to SNAP benefits and I was four hundred and something
our dollars away from the cutoff point, and I still
think qualifying.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, again, that's the point, you know, we should be generous.
I mean, if you're a mail carryer and you get hurt,
if you're somebody who's working get hurt, you you need
to get some more help. It's as simple as that.
But again, we only have so much money. And when
we take and divert a billion dollars a year, tell
people who have come here and have never lived here.
I mean, at some point that money's being taken away,
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not only from the taxpayers, but from people like you
who probably are a taxpayer as well. And you now
need some, you know, some help. In what we call
the commonwealth. The politicians always say it's the commonwealth, Well,
it's the commonwealth. For people who live in the Commonwealth.
It should not be the Commonwealth for the rest of.
Speaker 9 (38:46):
The world because it's like, for instance, I was mad
at the guy it was I said, I don't mean
to be mad at you, but may work in sixty
plus hours a week, I cannot even get a time
need bit of help. Then I'm really needing it.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Couldn't agree with you more, you know, So they.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Should take some of that money and put aside for
people like myself and others, you know, in situations as
you said that needs to help, then they need it.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well you have you heard Eileen from how she has
a son who is not getting the help he needs
dealing with some you know, some some some mental issues, okay,
and then you have someone like yourself, you have a
physical need to get back to work. Couldn't agree with
both of you more. But the problem is it's it's sexier,
it's it's more laudable in the minds of some people
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that somehow the people who will come here go to
the head of the line, and that's just wrong. I
loved you call Kathy, I hope have you have you
called me before?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
This?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's your first time?
Speaker 9 (39:49):
No, it is the first time.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
We got to give you round in Foss and I
hope you will come back and and and talk talk
more about your situation.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Okay, Okay, thank you, Thanks Kathy, have.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
A great night. Okay, we're up at the eleven Pauline
from air callback. We'll get you up. We'll be back
right after eleven o'clock news
It's Night with Dan Ray on Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome back, Thank you, Kyle, appreciated very much. We are
talking about the migrant crisis here in Massachusetts, which the
Healy administration is now in some turbulent political waters. I
have not and cannot quote some recent polls, but I've
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seen some polls which indicate that the governors has been
aggravating not only people who are inclined to oppose her
most things political, but even amongst those people in the
past who have supported her. The problem is that migrants
have flocked to Massachusetts because we have a sort of
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an open shelter policy. It's called the Right to Shelter Law,
which was passed in this state in nineteen eighty three
assignment then Governor Michael d'caccas, which was essentially intended to
make sure that people who are living in Massachusetts, if
they were women, or if they were particularly women who
were pregnant with children, with or without children, that they
would always have shelter. And during the course of various
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times that capacity has been tested. But with the influx
of God knows how many migrants who do not have shelter,
the situation just exploded last year, and it exploded as
a result of our open border policy, which the administration
is low to criticize. But now we've had we have
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become really a state that has got a crisis on
his hands. And today the Boston Globe did a really
in depth investigative report which we've alluded to for those
of you who are just joining us, written by Stephanie
Ebert Ebert and Deirdre Fernandez, essentially saying that the state
does not want to provide information to us, the citizens
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about how our money a billion dollars a year is
being spent on hotels and shelters and meals and laundry
and taxi cabs and medical services. And with us holding
through the newscast is Stephen from Weston, who apparently has
talked to some hotel owners. And these are not five
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star hotels. This is not the hotel Front and Act Steven.
These are hotels that in the past, we're lucky on
a great weekend to get to eighty percent capacity for rooms,
there were one hundred and twenty nine, maybe one hundred
and thirty nine dollars, and now they're getting three three
hundred and fifty dollars and a guarantee of the years
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of a hotel. We're filled to capacity for a year,
and we can't find out who the owners of these
hotels are, amongst other things. Go ahead, Stephen, you told
us that you had talked to one owner who said, Hey,
I don't take the money, some other hotel will.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, that's absolutely the case. Then and again, just to
you know, just to reiterate, they're not paying the state
is not paying market rates here. The state is paying
free and then sometimes four case four times what the
rates were prior to this migrant crisis. And you know,
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that's why they're not being That's why the state's not
being transparent with this, and that's why you know, that's
because they don't want you and I the taxpayer to
know that. You know, you know, I think it started
out at forty five million a month back in twenty
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twenty three. Of our tax dollars, we're being spent on this.
When they originally proposed this, they they allocated five hundred
million dollars and within two weeks of that allocation, they
they said they were going to have a budget shortfall
for next year. But they but they were quick to
point out that that shortfall had nothing to do with
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this crisis. Well, of course, have one without the other.
Of course it's just ludicrous, of course ludicrous. They they're
they're insulting, you know, the citizens of Massachusetts that that
work hard in Bay Texas. Well.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
The funny thing about it is that one point I
was gonna say, if they put people up, let us
say at you know, the Intercontinental Hotel in downtown Boston,
or the Ritz or four Seasons of the Meridian, uh,
the the the the Mandarin Oriental, and we're paying three
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or four hundred dollars a night, people would be outraged.
What they're doing is they're putting them in you know,
large lodge type hotels, you know in places like taunt
And and Wooburn, and you know cities that were no
one's flocking to, sadly, and they are paying prices of
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three hundred dollars. Look at this. There was a no
big taxicab contract on the Cape, which I hope someone
gets some information on some taxicab company in Truro which
was providing taxicab service for migrants six million dollars a year.
How many taxi cab rides in the Cape could you
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take to have to spend six million dollars. Yeah, there's
a lot of cab rides, don't you think.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And and the and the hotels, and the hotels like
the Meridian in the you know, a Mandarin Oriental. Those
are reserved for the governor and her staff. Those, yes,
and those are three thousand the night right.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Absolutely absolutely, yeh Uh. It's like you know, the hotel
front On. I came Quebec. Look uh, these towns Norfolk,
uh in taunting uh and and Plymouth down to the
Cape where they've had some of these problems. And the
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school systems, the schools were about to have the influx
of students set upon them, and no one in the
legislature turned around and said at some point, hey, look,
let's amend this nineteen eighty three law. This was there
was not no intention back then to house migrants. It
was intended for long term Massachusetts residents who found themselves
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in a bad, you know, situation financially and maybe even domestically.
That is what the purpose was back in nineteen eighty three.
This law, this law has been totally misapplied in terms
of what its original intent and original purpose was. And
I think that if the Globe keeps pushing on this.
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We're going to get more and more information and it's
gone to it's going to inuit the benefit, to the
to the credit of the globe. They're doing good work
on this, and they're doing good work which is going
to embarrass an administration that they've primarily supported.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
They are and I think the one thing that hopefully
will come out of this is that as a country,
we can address this migrant crisis and realize that you know,
you know, we look at some of these governors that
are shipping these people to these other states like ours,
and as horrible as that is, I mean, at some
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point they these guys have been dealing with this in
our border states like Arizona and Texas and Nevada and California.
I mean, they've been dealing with us for years.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Well, and what are they going to do? They have
to they have Look, if we're not going to close
the borders, we're going to open the borders. Every state
should absorb some responsibility. We basically made our state a
magnet by not saying that this nineteen eighty three statute,
this right, the shelter Law, only applied to people who
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had been resided sidents of Massachusetts for you know, they
should have amended that a year ago. We knew that
this flood was coming, no doubt, Steven Love you call,
very strong, first time call. Please continue to call this program.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Okay, thanks so much, Thank you, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Okay, go and take a quick break. We're going to
get to more callers. We got Larry coming up, Mark,
and I got room for you. So I got one
call one line at six one seven, two, five, four
to ten thirty and two at six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. Look, when the Boston Globe wants
to call out the democratic governor of Massachusetts over the
issue of transparency, then I think we have crossed a
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rubicon here that the Globe cannot back down from. I mean,
they are still a very powerful institution. I know that
there are a lot of people who will be mad
at the Globe for having done this front page story today,
because obviously the attitude of many people are that the
governor's office should be saco saying and they should not
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be questioned and second guests because they're a democratic governor. Well,
the Globe took a strong stance to today. I say
hats off to the Globe. I hope you will as well.
You may not be a reader of the Globe, I am.
You may not even like the Globe. But when the
Globe does a story like this which does show I
think an absolute abuse, an abuse of what should be transparency,
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hats off to the Globe. There's two lines open at six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Feel free to join this conversation. This is
an important story. This might be a moment in time
where things could potentially change a little bit in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Back on Nightside Now, back to Dan Ray live from
the Window World nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Thanks to the calls. Larry is in Bill Ricca. Larry,
appreciate you joining us. You're next one Nightside, Go right ahead, Larry.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, Dan, thanks for taking my call out, longtime listener,
first time call.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wow, turn around, a little run of a close around. Look,
appreciate it. What's your thought on this this this Globe
article which really holds the feet of the healthy administration
of the fire on the issue of transparency.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, I was kind of thrilled to see the Globe
finally kind of go that way right. It's always been
it's always been perceived as a you know, favorable newspaper
towards the democratic kind of side of the house and
all the things and all the policies and associated with
that kind of Finally glad to see them kind of
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cutting both ways right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, well, you know, it's interesting. We always got to
separate the the editorial policy from the front page the
news stories. Now they've been very aggressive here with what
I would call a good piece of solid piece of
attempted investigated journalism. Hopefully this doesn't end with what they've
done today, and they'll continue to pursue this and if necessary,
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try to take the Heally administration a court to get
this information. It'll be interesting to see if there's a
Globe editorial in the next couple of days which supports
the investigative journalism I think them very well might be,
And that would be a stunning development.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Wow. I mean, something the Globe Spotlight team could certainly
take gone and go real deep if they if they
if they deem it necessary or something that they feel
as more more run way ahead of it. But I
guess my comment and what kind of that drove me
to call is you know, in the private sector, none
of what you just described from an expense perspective would be,
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you know, readily acceptable. I've worked in the private sector
and financial services for over thirty years, and you have
to kind of prove why an expense is contributing towards
the benefit of the of the business or contributing towards
you know, the future profits of the business. And to
your point earlier, what's the benefit of the state of Massachusetts?
And even where the governing accountability around reasonable rates that
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can be born by anybody who wants to use one
of the commercially available you know, travel sites out there,
you know, paying a playing a rate that's above above
market for God, forpid, you know, going into a suite
when you can stay in a regular room. Where's the
accountability if I do that? In the personal side, they
pay for it personally. Governa Healy wants to travel to
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the Wisconsin Rome, which I've been to. It's a beautiful
hotel and stay this week, Well, the state reim versuship
for one hundred and twenty five bucks. The rest is
on you.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, and you know that's great, that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I would yeah, I would hope, I would hope that
it's Sorry, interrupted, but I would I would hope that
that's something that, you know, if they really want to
show transparency, if the audit the audit department of the
state would take a look at.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah. And the other thing is that a lot of
these political candidates who get who are fortunate enough to
be elected to high positions, they have their campaign funds. Okay. Now,
I would think that legally there would be nothing that
would stop them from using campaign funds as opposed to
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tax dollars if they were going to travel somewhere, and
obviously they may choose to travel somewhere, but it was
seen to me that before going to the to the
public fisk to stay at these five star hotels, et cetera,
let the state give them a per diem for a
hotel loosen one hundred and twenty five dollars on hundred
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and fifty dollars, and then use their own political funds
to make up the difference. So that therefore they're making
the decision that they're going to up the amount of
money they're paying, but it would be out of if
not their personal pocket, it would be out of their
their their their fund, their political funds.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If you get my drift couldn't agree more. And I
you know another second point you were discussing on the migrats.
I mean, when the first plane hit, I forget to
it with Nan talking to Vinyon. I said to my wife,
this is going to become a much bigger issue, you know,
And back then it was it was deemed political fodder.
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But I think it was a little bit of what
Steve said. It's finally every other state that's been dealing
with this day in and day out, and every other
governor on both sides of the aisle that's been dealing
with us day in and day out, starting to try
to spread the love around. And you know, we've had
open arms until it until it hurts so much.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
But well, well.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Someone needs to pay for this.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah. The people in Martha's Vinyon, if you remember, they
were thrilled that the migrants had arrived, and they landed
at Martha's Vinyon airport, and they gave them Martha's Vinyne
hats and Methis Mart's Vinyon T shirts, and they gave
them some sandwiches. They let them stay overnight at the church,
and then they put them on a bus the next day.
And headed it drove over right, you put them on
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the ferry to Cape Cod, so you know they dropped them.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They not in my back very quickly.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah, you know, I think I think this is this
is you know, Governor it to your point, Governor Dukakas
did this back in the day to help folks in
need Massachusetts long term residence in need.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I think I agree with you wholeheartedly. It needs
to be revisited because right now it's being abused, but
it's being abused on everyone. Yes, and and and I
think this is a little case of the of the
much bigger order crisis that we've all been kind of
hearing and dealing with.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, if you if you remember back last at some
point it was last year or early this year, Governor
Healey and Lieutenant Governor Driscoll. Driscoll made an appeal to
Massachusetts residence and they said, gee, if you have a
spare room in your home, or or you have an
in law apartment that's not not being used, maybe you
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could welcome a migrant family. I still don't know if
any people in Massachusetts welcomed migrant families into their home.
If they did, my hat's off to those individuals. They're
better human beings. That's not virtue signaling, that's actually walking
the walk and talking the talk. And I think that,
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you know, if people do that, hats off to them.
But I will bet you the few and far between.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, I would bet you this few and far between,
and if we went up and down the hall of
the State House, there's zero.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, you know something. I'm not going to bet the
over on that number with you, Larry, Thank you so much,
great call, great first call. Come on back more often.
I need callers like you, okay, who are really effective
and efficient. Thank you, appreciate it. Night you too. Let
me go to Mark in Austin. Don't want Mark to
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have to wait through the newscast.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Go ahead, Mark, Okay, thanks for taking my call. Then,
I think this issue of the migrants, where the Heally
administration is withholding the information supposed lead to protect the
migrants from some kind of backlash. This is only the
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latest incident of a problem that's endemic on Beacon Hill.
With openness and transparency. That means yes, Governor Healy won't
even release her campaign contributions, even though she's legally retired
required to do so. And the state Auditor, a nice
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woman wants to do her job in order to state legislature,
and Speaker Marianna refuses, and every time it happens, the
rest of us are left to wonder what are they hiding?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well, let me tell you this, Mark, You and I
sometimes disagree, but you could not be more correct in
my opinion. Tonight you're talking about the state Auditor, Diane
Dezaglio we've had on this show. As a matter of fact,
I think we might invite the auditor to come on
later this week and talk about this specifically, ailed this
one tonight for me. Mark, Yeah, yeah, And I wish
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I had mentioned auditor as ugly, oh, because she's up
there fighting for all of us, not just taxpayers, but
all of us who need to understand how this state
is being run. And not only is what happening with
our tax dollars, but other tax dollars being used effectively
and efficiently. This hotels, Mark, who are being paid three
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hundred dollars a night guaranteed for an entire year or
two years. This is a windfall. If I was a
hotel owner, If you were a hotel owner and you
own some sort of fleabag hotel somewhere that was never
you know, at capacity, and all of a sudden, some
guy walks in and says, hey, can we write you
a check three hundred times three hundred and sixty five times,
(18:51):
however many rooms you have, we would.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Be yeah, thrilled. You know, I used to work as
seasonally as the election supervisor. Yes, And there was this
nice young woman graduate journalism student from China who'd never
heard of the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five.
(19:17):
But it was right there in our procedures manual. So
I explained it there and one of my bosses at
city Hall, in the election department backed me up one
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Right, that's a little off topic to what we're talking
about here, So let's say that story for another night,
and let's just right right.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The point is, you know, if it's legally a matter
of public record, that should be that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah. Well, let me tell you. When they run for office,
they talk about transparency, and they talk about sunlight being
the greatest disinfectant. But the only one up there who
lives by that code of conduct, in my opinion, is
the state Auditor, Diane Dezaglio. And she is persona non
grata amongst the on Beacon Hill and let's hat so
we will try to get here on in the next
(20:03):
week we talk about this. And by the way, she
happens to be a Democrat, which is great, which is.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Because I think that's phone too yop about that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thank you, Mark, appreciate you, Carl. I have a great night.
We've got to take a break here for news. At
the bottom of the hour, I get two lines at
six one seven, two, five four ten thirty and one
at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I
want to hear from you on this one. The Boston
Globe has taken a position today which is a huge
surprise to me. It's it's journalism at its best, and
(20:35):
I want to give the Globe credit where credit is due,
and I hope some of you will do as well. Okay,
if you're not subscribers to the Globe, that's why I'm
telling you about this story today. This is good investigative journalism,
and it's investigative journalism of an administration. I either heal
the administration that the Globe has supported editorially and also
(20:57):
on their newspages, but this carently was a step too far.
And the Globe has called them out, and I say,
hats off to the Globe. Let's talk about it here
on Nightside. Coming right back after.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
This Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Thank you very much, Kyle. Let me go to Mike
in California. Mike, welcome you next on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Go right here, sir, Dan, first time, long time.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Wow you. This is the third first team call in
a row. Whereabouts in California?
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Join us from I split my time between the Bay
Air in southern California, but I actually spend a third
of my time in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, first of all, thank you very much, honored that
you would. I've never had to the rest of my knowledge.
We're we're coming into year eighteen here on Nightside. I
can tell you it's spent a long time since we've
had three first on Carlos in a row. Oh, thank
you very much. Go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Full disclosure.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
You and I share a high school Alma Mada and more.
Heley and I share a college on Malada.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Okay, Well, I got it.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Okay, I just find it interesting on a couple of fronts. One,
none of this is surprising, you know, I don't get
into politics at all, but obviously the people in Massachusetts,
wh I love continually electing people that you just really
have to scratch your head. None of this was a surprise,
(22:23):
and one of the things that's facing challenges my backgrounds
in the military, the consulting in corporate world. Now, but
you know, we're coming to a financial crisis in this
country with the deficit, the fact that China owns half
of our debt, the fact that we've done an alliance
of China, Russia, Iran and possibly Turkey aligned against us,
(22:49):
and we're focused on all the wrong stuff. And I
just find it a little ironic that the Globe, who
did a tremendous job in its spotlight series with the
Catholic Church, who's done wonderful things, but get unacceptable things
at time, that the healthy administration is following that same
(23:09):
act of oh, there's a report of a sexual abuse.
Let's not let's not chronicle it, let's not report it,
let's just move the guy. Does that sound familion?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh, actually exactly, you're talking about the the alleged rape
at that Rockland shelter again, you know, by the way,
by the way, just so you know, that defendant had
his bail reduced to personal recognissance and was released, but
ICE figured that out and they arrested him yesterday, so
(23:41):
he will remain in custody as I understand, and I
intend to probably reach.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Out to SPI. I spent a third of my time
in California, I spent a third time in New York
and a third of my time in Massachusetts. And you know,
what's going on in New York City is the same
thing with with with with the revolving bail and really
the people of all these cities, most of them good hardworking,
decent people, have to wake up and figure out who
(24:07):
they they want to vote for.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Read the paper.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I'm not a big I'm not a big fan of
the Globe, but you've got to read it. And and
we're on an inflection point right now in terms of
not just domestically but globally how we want to address
these issues. And you know, ninety percent of the people
up there are just good, decent people that want to
get their kids educated, support their kids, and what have you.
And it's really unfortunate with and I got to say
(24:32):
at the feckless political representation in the Massachusetts both at
the state level, and and and in Congress. Uh, but
people people keep electing them. You know, you have a
terrific show. I listen to you because not only are
you a high school alma model, but you run a
(24:52):
very decent, informative show. And I think if the rest
of the country looked at the decent and sensible way
which you approach, you don't back down. You're not a
you know, you're not a soft touch, but you demand
decency and demand information. I really applied you free show,
and that's why I call it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, Mike, I appreciate it very much. I'm honored that
you're for that. You finally have called I hope you
become a regular caller and you have identified what this
show is supposed to be about. I'm very happy, uh,
and gratified that the Globe has taken this step today.
It had to have been a big step editorially for
the And again I think sometimes their editorial philosophy has
(25:34):
leaked over onto its news pages, and I've called them
out on that. But this was an extraordinary piece. I
hope the Globe continues and pursues it, and we'll see
if they do. But we'll stay on top of it.
We have the healthcare crisis going on here, which also,
by the way, really in some ways is related back
(25:57):
to the the priest pedophile crisis, which never should have happened,
a disgrace to the Catholic Church, a disgrace to the
leadership of the Catholic Church. We're trying to cover that up.
And coming back to the point you made initially, this
is the Healy administration falling into that same trap. So brilliant, call,
(26:18):
I would expect nothing less from from a Boston Latin
school man Suma's PREMI and a Harvard graduate.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Dan, keep up, keep up the good work, all right, I.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Will, and I would hope that you will become a
regular contributor.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, just real quickly.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I listened to you all over the world. Wherever I am,
I listen. I listened to you all the time. The
Internet's a wonderful thing, and it just let you know
Boston's home. It lets me stay connected there and keep
up the good work.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I just came back from a trip with knightside listeners
to Italy, and I got to tell you, no matter
whenever I leave Boston, as thrilled as I am to
go to another part of the world and experience their culture.
It is always so gratifying to come back to this.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I said to some of the other I want Dan
Ray's job because you just get back from Ireland. Now
is in Italy. It's a great time. Yeah, thank curious.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Good night, Mike. Next time you Boston, give me a call,
love to meet up with you. Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Thanks well, thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
All right, talk to you soon. Have a great one.
I'll tell you a call like that makes my night,
no question about it. Let me go to I lean
in Waltham. I lean you in next on Nightsacker right ahead, Yeah, good.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Ask what do you mean Dan, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I know you were not a first time caller, but
you are just as valued. I want you to know that.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Go right ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
First of all, this is not a new problem.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's an old problem.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
It's just become exacerbated over the last year or so.
I have hired people to work for me and find
out they have social security licenses everything, and they're here illegally. Sure,
So it's been happening for a long time. It just
has become more aggressive. And my question and one of
(28:01):
the questions, we're not answering is why is it being
a looved yea, that's what we need, that's the root cause,
and that's what we need to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, I'll give you an answer. I will give you
an answer. If you want an answer.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
I'll give you the answer to it, but you'll give
me yours list.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, my answer is that there are a lot of
people in this country, particularly in the legal community, okay,
who view their purpose not of enforcing the law, but
they view their purpose as somehow evading the law for
causes in which they happen to personally believe. So, for example,
(28:41):
you have people here who believe that America should be
open to everyone on earth, despite what you know, what
we represent as a country. You know, we we have
an open immigration policy. All you have to do is
go to a consulate or to an embassy somewhere in
(29:01):
the world and applied to to immigrate here. But we
have a right as a country, uh to to with
to to run our own borders and to and to
have borders. But there are people here who view our
form of government and our economy as something There was
an article in the Globe today about these uh, the
(29:22):
these these fabian socialists out in western Massachusetts who were
who are still enthralled with UH Marx and Lenin and
Engles and Castro and UH and whomever else they might
and they're having these great meetings and they admit openly
they want to change our system. So you have those folks,
(29:43):
and then you have people within the legal community who
are trying to use our own constitution, which is a
great document against against us, and they're they're they're ready
to UH to support people who have come here with
ill intent, have crossed our border knowing that they are
breaking our immigration laws, they are not complying with our system.
(30:07):
But you have these willing accomplishments, accomplishes, accomplices, accomplish accomplices
in the Civil Liberties Union UH. The Civil Liberties Union
originally was founded to defend and protect free speech. Now
the levels the Civil Liberties Union is a group of
(30:28):
political activists who feel that immigration and open borders how
this country should be run. Go ahead, your your your answer,
You answer your own question.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
First of all, let me quote I one of my
best friends started the Irish Immigration Center years ago. They
did great work and they helped people who really wanted
to come here become part of America, help them with
their paper, everything together here, and they had English. First
of all, most of these people, a lot of these
(30:59):
they don't speak English. That creates a huge disruption of
your society when forty percent of people can't speak English.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, well that's a balkanization argument, and I tend to
agree with that. But if someone comes here and wants
to assimilate, I don't want to keep people out of
the country because they don't speak English. Because people can
learn learn it.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
They're not even interested in learning it. Kind of the
deal with the people I hied that they didn't speak
English is that they I would help them. I would
try the lords of Finish, and they should try the
Lords of English. They need no more attempt to do so.
It was too hot.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Well that's a problem.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
That's a problem, and they watch Sesame Street. You can
learn English.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Did you see the piece in the globe we're talking
about today? If I could ask that question.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
But this also makes a roadblock for regular employees English speaking.
You know, a company like mine to hire people. It
just roughs your teamwork. There was no team work when
half of your employees time to communicate the other half
of your employees.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
I agree. I understand that that's called the simulation.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
We had that problem where we're doing a job and
half of the people are sitting over there eating the
picture I just bought, and half of the people are
sitting over there eat the picture I just bought.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
You know, Okay, I mean I think I think that
we are essentially in agreement on this. My question to
you is, did you did you happen to see the
globe the piece I'm talking about tonight.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
No, but I will get it and read it. But
here's the thing, if you if you want Lizzy there,
Senator Losey recently they the statement that she wanted to
make a path the citizenship for all these.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
People who said that of Senate Senator Warren Well, right,
that's exactly. She made it very clear. That's the purpose,
that's the goal, that is the goal.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
But if you go to Mexico, you have to learn
studis to become a Mexican citizen.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, and again to learn German.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, we may have lost that argument here, Okay. I
don't know that we can impose or that that language
requirement on potential immigrants, but I think we need to
be able to say if you're going to come here,
we got to know who you are. We got to
know what your skills are. We want to know why
you're coming here, and we will make a decision as
to whether or not we accept you. And if you
(33:32):
happen to be a nurse or a doctor who's qualified
coming here from a place like Bangladesh, you go to
the front of the line. If you're a lawyer coming
here from Ireland, we had probably too many lawyers in America,
you go to the back of the link. Think, well,
I'm already here. I was born here. I was lucky.
(33:53):
But I'm also a dual citizen. I have my Irish
citizenship as well. But I did it the right way.
I didn't break into Ireland. I have through you know,
through their their immigration law, so I have a dual citizenship.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
These politicians think these people can come and just get jobs.
It's not that easy.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
I agree, I agree, pay I lean. I got to
run here because I'm way past my broadcasting.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
I wanted to say quickly, is the cost to US
school system, especially Boston is astronomical, no question.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And you don't even count it in terms of dollars.
You counted in terms of lost learning time, simple as that. Ilean,
thank you, gotta go bye bye. We'll take a quick break.
Coming right back on nightside. We got some open lines
six one seven, four ten thirty, six one, seven thirty.
This is a I think, an extraordinary opportunity to one
(34:41):
agree with the Globe and also commend them for taking
a position that probably caused some discomfort within some aspects
of the newsroom. Uh. This is this is a good
piece of journalism we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the window World,
light Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Back to the poosergos. Go to Eileen and Hull. Eileen,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
Oh well, I'm doing okay, but I had to call
about this. I didn't read the article, uh in the Globe,
but I will read it. And my issue is government
(35:32):
responsibility should be first of all, for for the citizens
of our state who've been here lie long. And I
happen to have a very unpopular need which is almost
(35:58):
not mentionable, which is a son with mental illness who
requires care, and the state is really not doing as
much as they should for the people that they purged
from mental hospitals. It's a very unpopular issue, but it's
(36:23):
the issue that I'm dealing with.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I agree with you. I agree with you, Eileen, and
I think that more attention needs to be given to that,
and we can do follow up stories on that, particularly
in the context of what's going on with this. But
I can't focus a lot on this on that tonight.
But I think it's good that you made that point,
because it's a good counterpoint that as we focus all
(36:46):
of this attention on people who have just arrived, we're
ignoring people who are here and who need help. And
I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Okay, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
It, well said Next up, Pauline and air. Pauline, you
were next on nice, I go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Good, can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Okay, well, if you get off the speakerphone, you'd be
just perfect. So can you get off the speakerphone. Let's
put Pauline on hold, Folks. Someone should have told her
to get off the speakerphone. Let me go to Kathy
in Boston. Kathy, Pauline, we'll get back to you, I promise.
Go ahead, Kathy, Hey, welcome, how are you.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
I don't have a problem with the migrants, but I
have a problem of you not taking care of your
household is like me saying I will not feed my
kids and go and feed someone else kids and I
and you know you should. For example, I was out.
(37:46):
I'm a mail carrier. I was hurt. I was hurt
and I was and I wasn't getting my full pay
and I need an extra help. And I I applied
to SNAP benefits and I was four hundred and something
our dollars away from the cutoff point, and I still
think qualifying.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, again, that's the point, you know, we should be generous.
I mean, if you're a mail carryer and you get hurt,
if you're somebody who's working get hurt, you you need
to get some more help. It's as simple as that.
But again, we only have so much money. And when
we take and divert a billion dollars a year, tell
people who have come here and have never lived here.
I mean, at some point that money's being taken away,
(38:28):
not only from the taxpayers, but from people like you
who probably are a taxpayer as well. And you now
need some, you know, some help. In what we call
the commonwealth. The politicians always say it's the commonwealth, Well,
it's the commonwealth. For people who live in the Commonwealth.
It should not be the Commonwealth for the rest of.
Speaker 9 (38:46):
The world because it's like, for instance, I was mad
at the guy it was I said, I don't mean
to be mad at you, but may work in sixty
plus hours a week, I cannot even get a time
need bit of help. Then I'm really needing it.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Couldn't agree with you more, you know, So they.
Speaker 9 (39:05):
Should take some of that money and put aside for
people like myself and others, you know, in situations as
you said that needs to help, then they need it.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Well you have you heard Eileen from how she has
a son who is not getting the help he needs
dealing with some you know, some some some mental issues, okay,
and then you have someone like yourself, you have a
physical need to get back to work. Couldn't agree with
both of you more. But the problem is it's it's sexier,
it's it's more laudable in the minds of some people
(39:39):
that somehow the people who will come here go to
the head of the line, and that's just wrong. I
loved you call Kathy, I hope have you have you
called me before?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
This?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's your first time?
Speaker 9 (39:49):
No, it is the first time.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
We got to give you round in Foss and I
hope you will come back and and and talk talk
more about your situation.
Speaker 7 (39:56):
Okay, Okay, thank you, Thanks Kathy, have.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
A great night. Okay, we're up at the eleven Pauline
from air callback. We'll get you up. We'll be back
right after eleven o'clock news
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