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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome the Mother Knows Death. We have a packed show
for you today. We're going to talk about the biggest
story of the week, at least in our world, which
is about the hundreds of skeletal remains found in a
Pennsylvania man's home in what authorities are calling a house
of horrors. An update on a story we brought you
last week involving a dentist and his wife that were

(00:41):
found murdered in their home, a newborn baby girl that
was found alive in a toilet tank, a has matt
situation involving boogers, yes I said boogers, and women getting
fat from dead people injected into their butts. We'll finish
off the episode with your comments and questions. All that
and more on today's episode of Mother Knows Death. Okay,

(01:06):
we talked about this in the Grosser Room last week
and this week, but we haven't talked about it yet
on this show. Let's talk about this house of horrors,
which is only what an hour and a half away from.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Us, not far at all. Also, you guys are setting
us stories all the time which keep doing. We love it.
Thank you. I think this is the most we've ever
been set one single story. It is insane. We're geting
so many emails and messages. A lot of people I
knew were texting me it was insane. But okay, so
I don't I've been seeing this pop up in national headlines,

(01:40):
so I do think it's a little broader than here.
But basically, since early November, the cemetery in Gayden, Pennsylvania,
that's in Delaware County, not very far from US at all,
they had reported multiple grave robbings to police, with a
total of twenty six mausoleums in vaults being affected. So
in most of these cases, the concrete on these structures
had been destroyed, allowing somebody to go inside of them

(02:02):
access the coffins, and then they realized that personal items
from the deceased and their remains were missing. So last
week police were surveilling this cemetery and they come across
this car that they said, in clear view in the
backseat of this car had human remains in it. And
as they're inspecting this car, this man is seen exiting
the cemetery with a crowbar in a burlap bag, which

(02:24):
later they found had more human remains that he had
just stolen.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, it's it's really insane. He got away with it,
in my opinion, too long, for too long. It appears
online that he started posting this stuff not too long ago. Honestly,
in November he started posting like unusual things on Instagram

(02:51):
and Facebook that, in my opinion, if you're a person
that follows this guy, so he what was his name
on his Oh my.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
God, it's so lame, dead shit daddy.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, that's so edgy.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Iye roll.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
So he had an account where he had over fifteen
thousand followers, also an account on Facebook as well. Both
meta platforms, which I bitch about all the time, censor
the shit out of me every single day of my life.
So it's kind of amazing that it didn't pick up
that this individual was not posting skulls that you would

(03:30):
typically see in a medical museum or used in an
anatomy lab or anything like that. He was posting skulls
that were dirty and looked like they just came out
of the ground and still had attached soft tissue and hair,

(03:50):
which means that they were still literally decomposing. And he
had that he was some kind of forensic consultant or
something like that in his bio, but there's no word
of where he works, what he did for a living,
what his title is. As it appears, there's no documentation

(04:12):
anywhere in any of the documents that he ever even
went to college, let alone was any kind of a
forensic expert, and which means he's just like gen Pop
regular person. Right, There's no reason that I could think
of in the world that a person of Gen Pops
should have access to a decomposing human body, unless number one,

(04:33):
they killed the person or number two they robbed a grave.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well, apparently people just think they can claim they're forensic experts.
Remember I was maybe getting like Pitch or whatever to
do some TV show and they were like, we're gonna
put your forensic expert, and I'm like, I am quite
literally the opposite of a forensic expert. I don't know
anything about it. I just talk about the stories, and
you're gonna embarrass me and make me look like a jerk,

(04:58):
So anybody can.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
I don't even consider myself to be a forensic expert,
like that was part of my training and everything. But
there are plenty of people that have that they do
this for a career. Let's say, for example, in this
particular case, it would be a forensic anthropologist. Okay, if
I wanted to talk to an expert about this, it

(05:21):
would not be me. It would be that I definitely
know more than the average Gen pop person does, for sure,
especially because I do feel that I could call myself
an expert in pathology. But aside from that, it's just
it's so outrageous. So of course, the first thing I

(05:44):
did when I saw this article come out was look
for the guy's social media account. And what's really shocking
is that because most of the time, in any case
where you where a person's going to gel, you know,
you look up their social media and there's social media
account's been completely wiped from the face of the planet.
And in this case, they left it up, which I

(06:06):
thought was kind of shocking, And I went through all
of it and was like, oh my god, if I
saw that come up in my feed, I would It's
actually creepy to see there's one picture that he has
that has a human skull, it might even just be
a face that's still decomposing underneath, and there's this shroud

(06:27):
over top of the face. That's dirty. I mean, the
whole thing just looks like it straight up came from
out of the ground, and it just it's so disturbing
to see. And the fact that all of these people
were following and seeing this stuff and nobody was like, Wow,
these look a lot different than any other skull I've
ever seen on here. The only time I would think

(06:48):
that would be acceptable is like if I was saying,
if you had a forensic anthropology professor or instructor that
was like, oh, here are something that I'm working on
right now. And even then, posting pictures of a dead body,
especially their face, which is considered to be an identifiable marker,

(07:12):
even though they're they're mostly decomposed, is just usually a
no no in that case. So just like no one,
none of them are flagged, Like I don't know, it
just blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, because I can think about like when I was
in school, we learned about this book Sally Man, famed
photographer had made about the body fire. I think I
bought it for you one you're for Christmas? Do you
have I do have it? So that was kind of
the first time anybody was exposed to that outside of
that world and now it is this weird thing we
have social media where people are just posting pictures like this.

(07:48):
But to think there was people following him that never
questioned it. I don't think I would have as a
regular person. Of course, I don't know the difference between
a medical skull and a grave rob skull, right, But like,
there was people following him that worked in the field,
and nobody seemed to think it was suspicious.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, that's what kind of makes me. It actually makes
me wonder about those certain people that were following him
that are in the field that they weren't like cause
one of so of course, like the first thing I
do is look and see who's following this guy that
I know, And it was one of my friends who
doesn't work in this field at all. So I texted

(08:27):
cause my biggest thing was I wanted to see if
anybody I knew was following him actually knew him, like
in real life.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
So I texted my friend and I said to her, like, dude,
do you know this guy? And she's like no, She's like,
he just popped up in my feed. And I send
her the story and she said, you know, this is
the thing that a lot of people in hindsight, She's like,
I did think it was weird, like where was he
getting all those skulls from? But I didn't really I
didn't really question it, you know. And it's like this

(08:56):
guy was blatantly committing like a really serious crime online
in front of everyone, and like he was in plain
sight with all of it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, let's talk about some of the crimes too. So
I guess this cemetery, which was Mount Mariah Cemetery in Naden,
they first got a report on November seventh that a
mausoleum had been broken into, and when they went up
to it, they saw that there was a hole broken
in the concrete on the side, so that's where he
accessed it. And then I didn't even know this was
a thing. There was a marble floor in the mausoleum

(09:26):
that then had an an additional hole broken into because
there was more crips underneath the ground, which I thought
was really fascinating to just learn that fact. But he
had gone down there and taken a body out of
one of the crips down there. But this guy is
such an idiot. I mean, he left behind a ton
of DNA, a bunch of evidence at the scene. So

(09:48):
this cemetery in particular had about twenty six mausoleums and
vaults affected or robbed at some point or attempted. There
was even an attempted robbery at another mausoleum that he
was unsuccessful. So then the yade and police start looking
into this, and they find there was a similar report
the day before the first reported incident at Mount Mariah

(10:08):
right outside of Scranton, So they look into that case,
and that was a dilapidated cemetery with a mausoleum that
was completely falling down, and they had a report that
two bodies were removed from graves in that mausoleum as well,
but they were later recovered wrapped in a plastic bag
not far from the site. So I would say they
have not yet confirmed. But if these aren't connected, I

(10:30):
would think it was really weird, especially because at both
scenes they left behind like monster energy drinks and cigarettes
and there's just DNA all over the place.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
This guy, this guy is like the dumbest criminal ever. Yes,
who breaks it. He broke into this mausoleum. You should
see the picture. I have everything posted. We did a
high profile death dissection on this in the grosser room.
But he breaks into this mausoleum and like doesn't close
up the hole, just like leaves everything open, including the

(11:04):
carabiner he used to attach to a tree to hoist
himself down into this hole. You're just like, dude, do
you want to like clean up after yourself a little
bit to make it not so obvious that someone just
went in there and stole a bunch of stuff, Like
he's like a sloppy criminal on top of that, and
just got I guess he did it once and was like, Oh,

(11:25):
this is easy because did you say this that Mount
Mariah is not an actual active cemetery, Like it hasn't
been used since twenty eleven, and there's volunteers who are
overlooking it, which would just make it way easier to
do something like this.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well exactly. And the other cemetery right outside of Scranton
is not technically abandoned. There is owners, but they live
in Florida and they just totally neglect it. So again
there's volunteers taking care of it. But I've been seeing
a lot of backlash that the property wasn't being surveilled
from the time the incidents were reported. I mean, this
was going on for about two months. I just don't
think they have the resources, especially considering the site is abandoned,

(12:05):
to have somebody monitoring it all the time. Twenty four
to seven, this guy was going in at different times
of the day, mostly in the dark, and doing this.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I guess around the same time, there was also
a tip, right.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh, yeah, So there was a tip about the one
year Scranton where somebody had called the I believe it
was the Planes Township police department dealing with that case.
So they called that police department and said, you should
look into this guy because I know somebody that's friends
with their family and apparently the brother of this guy,
his name's Jonathan Gerlock, had been at his brother's house

(12:43):
and saw a corpse hanging in the basement, but everybody
was too scared to report it, which also, why are
you scared? Like is this guy threatening or just a
complete idiot? Right, So they end up looking into him
and they found his car at the cemetery of the
day he was arrested, and obviously there was remains. After
he's arrested, they get a search warrant and they go
into his house and the DA is explaining it as

(13:05):
this total horror movie situation. There's one hundred human remains
in the house. He had a storage unit that had
eight additional corpses in there and personal items from the
victims and mummified parts. Some of them were together, some
of them were pieced together differently. This is the weirdest
thing ever.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I saw some of the video of the investigators that
went in to look at the scene, and it is
You're just like, dude, what are you doing right now?
It's so ridiculous. And I imagine that it smelled. I mean,
an upsetting part of this is, you know, a lot
of I know, a lot of people, especially listeners of

(13:43):
this show, are you know, they don't think it's as
weird as maybe most of the rest of the population,
right that just collecting skulls and things like that, because
you're into weird things like this and you think it's cool.
And I feel like, I feel like there's a fine

(14:03):
line between having a medical skull on display in your
house and having like a purse made out of human
skin with nipple adornments on the side of it, you
know what I mean. And that line has definitely been
crossed by this guy for sure. In the posts we
wrote about yesterday, I really go into detail about the

(14:24):
sell of human remains, especially pertaining to skulls and bones,
because as of right now in the United States, it's
legal to sell human bones under certain criteria in most
of the states. Some of the states, like I believe
it's Louisiana, Georgia, Tennessee, and Minnesota, you're not allowed to

(14:47):
bring in human bones and buy them or you're not
allowed to sell them. But every other state in the
United States you're allowed to. But it's not just that simple.
There's a lot of rules that come with it. So
I go into the history of these human skulls that
are for sal and bones that are all over now,

(15:08):
and really it's just you know, back in the day,
in medical schools and stuff, people had these skulls and
collected them, and just regular people collect them too. There's
all different reasons why people are interested in collecting these,
but they they're here on earth, right. So let's say,
for example, because I have five skulls in my collection,

(15:30):
maybe even more, I don't know, I feel like I
have five or six. So when I die, it's going
to be Maria my problem. It's going to be Maria's problem, right,
And Maria doesn't really care about that shit. So if
she goes to like the Modor Museum and says like, Hey,
my mom has these skulls and I want to put

(15:50):
them on display here, they likely won't take them because
there's no documentation with them, they don't know where they
came from, they don't know anything about them. They don't
want them, right, So then what's Maria's other choice. She
could either one throw them in the trash, which is
just weird to throw a human in the trash like that.

(16:11):
Or two she could sell them, and she can because
they're medical skulls, they were used in medical schools, they're old,
and they fall within the category of like I like
to say, it's like pet adoption, except it's skull adoption.
It's just like, you want to find the skull that's
already here a good home. You don't want to create
another skull that was resting in you know, in peace,

(16:34):
that you took out of the ground and are now
bringing it into the circulation. Right. So it is legal
and people do it all the time, and you know,
I get kind of offended because some of the cops
are just like I just want to know what the
help people are doing with those when they buy it,
and it's just like, I don't know. I just have
it on display in my house and it's pretty cool.
I use it to teach in the girls room sometimes.

(16:55):
I just I just like having it. I like having
that part of the med school history and things like that.
And I think that ninety nine point nine percent of
skull collectors are doing the same thing, Like nobody's doing
weird shit with it. They're just like, oh, this is cool,
and I want it on display, so you'll form like.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
The Nicole and Jimmy Library of Forends and specimens whatever.
It's just it's just like that.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, that's what happens. It's just like a lot
of the stuff that I have in my collection is
from old doctors that just are like, oh, this is here.
The wife usually accumulates it, and it's like I don't
want this shit in my house, you know. It's it's
it's a common thing that you hear about all the time.
So it's also happening a lot, and it's popular, and

(17:42):
human skulls especially sell for big bucks. So the fact
that this guy just was getting so many of them,
posting them on Instagram, Facebook and basically saying like, hey,
if you want to buy this, it's available. But I mean,
the most disturbing part is it. Number one, a lot
of the graves are very old, like eighteen hundreds years old,

(18:06):
so it's disrupting historical cemeteries. So also you're just like,
who is that person at this point? Or they're gonna
be able to check DNA to say so like that,
let's say the first Matt Murraiah, he took twenty six
bodies at least, right, how do you know which ones
which at this point? Like are you're gonna have to do?

(18:27):
And plus the guys making a shit ton of work
for forensic people in the area, like the forensic anthropologists
and medical examiner it stuff is gonna have to look
at every single one of these, try to piece the
bones back like this skull goes with this femur, blah blah.
It's just such, it's such a mess, and it's just
kind of dick to even do that.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Well, of course, it's so disrespectful on a million levels
in general to disrupt a dead person like that when
they're in their final resting place. And also like they're
saying when he got arrested, he admitted to stealing at
least thirty sets of remains and showed them which graves
he went. They're like, we know which fucking graves you
went to, Like you left a mess behind, idiot, We
know exactly where you went, but exactly like, how are

(19:07):
you supposed to identify these people? The police said they're
expecting an incredibly long process ahead of them. I can't
even imagine. They did list all of the families at
this cemetery that were affected, the graves that they know
were broken into. So I guess if you have anybody
buried in Mount Mariah Cemetery, I would advise you go
review that list and see if your family's name's on it.

(19:28):
Ricky's or so, my mother in law's mother in law
is buried in there, and then Ricky's boss's grandfather is
buried in there too. But I don't think they were
the names that were affected. But it is ear to
think about.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
And so he was taking not only just like old
dead people, but also taking teenagers children. One of the
correlations that investigators made was that in this group on
Facebook that sells human skulls, they found a post from

(20:03):
someone that posted some things that they received in the
mouth from him and tagged him in it, one saying, oh,
I finally think I got a teen for my collection,
and the other ones were a baboon skull, a monkey's skull,
and a human skin bag. So to me, that's like,

(20:26):
not only was he taking the remains, but also I
mean people are comparing it to Ed Gain. It's a
little bit different because he didn't well that we know of,
didn't kill anybody to do this, But it's equally as weird.
But things like infant skulls, teen skulls, unusual skulls go

(20:47):
for even more money than just like the average run
of the mill seven year old dude's skull. So but
but just they don't they don't even look good because
when you get a medical skull, you know they put
either they put dermoict beetles or something to clear all
the soft tissue off, or they can put it in

(21:09):
certain chemicals or cook it a little bit or whatever
like that. I'm not exactly sure the process they do
to it, but they could clean it. I believe they
use hydrogen peroxide or bleach or something to clean it
to make it look all white and when you touch it,
you don't feel like you're touching like a dead body part,
whereas these ones they probably had this like weird low
grade odor or high grade odor to them. I mean

(21:31):
you could see hair coming off. They have hair coming
off them, I mean exactly. And they said one had
the pace baker still attached, one of the bodies still
had the pacemakers still attached to it, and one of
the skulls had dentures, which that one really should have
keyed off anybody that saw that to just be like
like you, there are times I suppose with the old

(21:56):
medical skulls that they could show that there's den to
work done on the inside of them, and it could
be used for dentists to show. But that wouldn't even
be usual, you know, like you ever go in the
doctor's office and you see they have like a plastic
uterus and they show an eye ud in it, like

(22:17):
what it looks like like that could kind of thing,
but that would probably be on a plastic skull. It
wouldn't be on like a real medical skull like that.
And to see a full pair of dentures on a
dirty skull that looks like it just came out of
the ground. It's just it's just so bizarre. I'm not
and I would really love to talk to this guy
and just be like, what exactly were you thinking? I

(22:39):
was actually talking. I was talking to Joseph Scott Morgan
about this yesterday because obviously anyone in our field is
just like, what the hell is happening right now? And
he was just like, oh, I want to make a
bet that this is not the first time this guy's
done this. Oh no, it's not like everyone's saying like, oh,
he just started this on Halloween, and it's just like, eh,

(23:05):
I find that hard to believe.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
It's not even possible with the amount of remains they
found in comparison to the graves that were broken into,
so like they don't even know the other places he
was sourcing from. But this dude's like twenty eight years old.
I just or thirty two years old? I thirty four?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Thirty four let me get it wrong three times, all right,
So like thirty four, he's old, like he has like
you know, when you're doing a job interview on people
and stuff, you just are like, okay, So if a
thirty four year old guy comes in and says, I
want a job. The first question you have is like, well,
what have you been doing since you graduated high school?

(23:43):
It's like a huge gap of like adulthood, right, So
what's this guy been doing since he's started this crime.
There's no way that this is oh he just started
this today. You know, he's had a history of god
knows what, and his charge are outrageous. They're definitely trying

(24:05):
to show an example of him. But what's the baill one?

Speaker 1 (24:10):
So he's facing I think in total, like four hundred
and ninety six charges, which interestingly, it doesn't appear he's
being charged yet with selling these remains, so I don't
know what that's about. Where if they have a longer
road to prove exactly what was happening with that. But yeah,

(24:31):
he's facing almost five hundred charges and his bail has
been set to a million dollars, which if you listen
to the show, you know we're so critical because like,
child predators could do the absolute most horrific thing ever
and they still get bail. Right, So it's like, why
is it?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I feel like that was like one four Remember like
originally when Rob Ryner's son was charged, it was four
million dollars Bill, You're just like, Okay, so a guy
that slices both of his parents' neck and murders them
in cold blood, right, his is it's one fourth of
the of that. But yeah, how many times have we
covered pedophiles that that get out? That guy Jake Harrow,

(25:07):
remember the one that his son went missing from the
sporting good store. They said that he got kidnapped in
the parking lot and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
His body's still not been found.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
But body's still not been found. Wasn't he Was he
on bail or was it he was right? Or it
was for the first time he tried to kill his kid.
It was like something he just he or he went
to jail for like a day and went home or something.
It's just like so outrageous. And I mean, like, if
this guy committed these crimes and stuff, he should get

(25:38):
the full extent of the law. But I just don't
like how disproportion it is to other crimes.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
No, one hundred percent. I mean this, this is a
very the thing I was telling Ricky which he thought
was ridiculous, which I was like, so many people are
setting us a story and it's certainly very interesting and
there's a lot of interesting components to it, but like
grave wrapping is not so rare, Like I feel like
we have stories often about it where we hear about

(26:06):
on this on this level of no on this this
level is this is like a textbook example of like, again,
has this guy never watched like any true crime specially
I don't know, you don't. I guess my I guess
my thing.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
My one thing would be to I really want to
talk to Joseph about this. But like, if this guy
has been doing this longer than this, there's no way
that he was doing it well and was so discreet,
and now all of a sudden, it's just like he's
leaving behind these sloppy clues. Like I mean, I honestly
feel like he could have gotten away with it for

(26:39):
a very long time if he wasn't being like, I
don't know, take a class and learn how to clean
a skull and like actually clean it before you post
it and say it's for sale. It's just like that
one picture that's so creepy on his account with the
with the head with the shroud over it. It almost
looks like he was underground in the crypt and took
the picture of the thing like still resting in place

(27:02):
before he took it home. That's and I'm just like, dude,
this is so outrageous.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
And we don't know anything about him, like is he
a drug addict? Does he have I mean, clearly he's
having some mental thing going on, but like does he
have like schizophrenic? Like what is going on with him?
Because I'm like, what was that attitude when they arrested him.
Was it like was he apologetic for doing it? Or
was he just like I don't give a fuck. They're

(27:29):
dead and lay in there, so who cares what I do? No,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I don't think that that he cared. I mean he
really just didn't even try to hide it.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And you our YouTube live women, I am judging this
w said he was really hot. Oh come on, a
couple of you.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Listen. We have a our YouTube lives get a little
out of control in the gross room.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Last week's in particular.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Last well, yeah, last week's was out of control, and
you know, some members mentioned that he was hot, and
I was just like, listen, like I he's not my type,
like Luigi's more my type, which is just messed up
to say. It's just kind of a joke we have.
That's why we sell a tote bag that says fine specimen,

(28:14):
because it's like, oh, yeah, that guy's a fine specimen,
but he's also a specimen like weirdo, like not doing
good things. But I mean you could still appreciate if
a person is good looking or not.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
I totally and you can make the observation. But then
I think once you've learned what they've done, you need
to feel like, Okay, upon initial reaction, they are a
hot person, but taking it back no longer.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, Like how hot is it to show up to
his house to go on a date with them and
smell decomp in the basement? I don't know. We need
to learn not like sexy time smell.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Exactly, Like did he have a girlfriend? Like what was
going on? We need to know about his personal life.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean something's off because like if you're doing
something shady like that, you would think, oh, you're not
going to invite your brother over, and your brother's just like, oh,
there's a dead, decomposing body like hanging in your basement.
That's totally normal. Like there's some kind of disconnect there.
He really wasn't trying to hide any of it.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And according to the probable cause affidavit we read, the
brother did confirm that he saw it, so like, why
didn't he call? Like, I just I don't know what
people do, Like, I just can't.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It's it's weird because I think that in general, if
you're a normal person and you walk into someone's house
and see something like that, you're just kind of like,
while the guy, I mean, it looks like he collects skulls,
is that like, am I really seeing this? Like I
don't know, I feel, And then of course you have
the it's your family. So a lot of people don't

(29:48):
call the cops on their family when they know they
murdered somebody, you know what I mean, Like it's very hard.
I know a lot of people say, yeah, if my
kid did this, I would call the cops. And it's
just like I don't really think you you know, until
you're in that exact situation, how like how you would
react and feel. And I mean maybe the guy just

(30:11):
told you know, you tell the girl. So then the
girl calls the cops and it's like, well, I wasn't
the one that called the cops. That's like exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Kind of Well, you know, it's funny you brought that
up because in the episode with Cheryl, we talked about
the interview that Coberger's sister did, and I had said, oh, I.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Was I was upset that I missed out on that
because I had some feelings about that.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Well. She had said in the interview that if she
had any inkling it was him, like for real, thought
it was him, she would have called the cops. And
I said, I thought that was respectable that she said that,
because most people don't. And then I hear on other
shows that she's getting a lot of criticism for that,
saying it was attention seeking.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
So she listen. I I didn't even have to read
or listen to it or whatever the interview. Was it
just a written article?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, was it? I didn't even have to read it.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Because when I I feel like, if you're the biggest story,
I almost kind of feel like that with Karen Reid too,
she just did some interview with Did you say she
did her first interview?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
No, but I did watch the Lifetime movie last night, guys,
and I cannot wait to talk about it later this week.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
So she did an interview with someone, which I mean
like listen, I'm not the expert on like who's got
the popular podcast and stuff, And obviously Wall Street Journal
is like a really big deal. But I think in
this particular field, if you think about all the people
at crime Kin that are like the true experts of

(31:42):
this entire field, why wouldn't she have gotten interviewed by
one of them that are really immersed in the case
and know all the details of the case. And no,
because she doesn't want to be asked questions, Well, that
would put her on the spot because it's bullshit, like
she's she's actually like like it's it's it's just a lie,

(32:05):
it's just a total lie.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Well that she's a finance professor, so she's probably more
comfortable exactly like you're saying, she's more comfortable with the
idea of Wall Street Journal because she's more familiar with
their work, because that's probably like her go to news
outlet before this whole whole thing happened. And why in
the world would she want to be interviewed by a
Drew crime expert or a police But she didn't want
to be interviewed.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
She wanted she wanted to go on a platform that
allowed her to say the narrative that she wanted to
give to people with little pushback exactly, and that's exactly
what happens.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
So it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Trying just with like most people reading that, you know,
even my husband, he'd be like whatever because he doesn't know,
like if you're not following that case, like nobody really cares,
and then you would be like, oh, like feel sympathetic
for it, and it's just like, no, we know there's
so many people in this field that know every single
second of that detail that happened over the course of days,

(33:06):
and just like just let's use for example, that you
heard about this. You've confirmed to us that you heard
that there was this person that killed a bunch of
college students, and then you thought that you heard that
it was his exact car, right, and then you were like, oh,
well his car was a twenty and fifteen and they

(33:29):
were looking for a car that was a twenty and thirteen.
So I think a lot of it's just the in denial.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
And I guess I guess at first I was saying, like, like,
I do agree the article was attention seeking behavior, but
I guess the point I did also want to talk
about that came out of it that I think a
lot of people ignored because of the attention seeking behavior.
Is that a lot of times when these crimes occur,
the perpetrator's family gets like bombarded and completely harassed, to

(34:01):
the point where she had to quit her brand new
job because people like regular people and reporters wouldn't stop
calling her job. And I just want to talk about
like that is something that doesn't get seen.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
That was like a blessing in disguise because apparently she
was like a mental health expert, and you're like, eh,
I think that's someone that's brother just was a mass murderer.
Maybe shouldn't be giving advice to people.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
And I agree with that one hundred percent. But I'm saying, like, like,
even take coburger out of this equation. I think when
something horrible happens like this, a lot of times, if
families really have nothing to do with it, and their
lives are ruined. Obviously not as bad as the victims' families,
but I'm saying like their lives get ruined in a
different way.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
And Jim Carett even said that with Gabby Petito that
his family was and and and his daughter was the victim,
but just saying that his family got was getting harassed
by the media and stuff like that. And I understand
that one hundred percent, and I do I do, I
I do think that she should have came and spoke out.
It's the same thing with Karen Reid too, But I

(35:05):
almost feel like it's the same with Karen Reid. Like
the I don't I don't even know who this person
is that she went on this Mango somebody. I don't
know if you've ever heard of this podcast, it's like
Mango something or it's I don't know who it is,
But like why that person, you know, because because clearly

(35:25):
they weren't gonna they they weren't gonna really challenge you
the way that that you you know, you don't want
to and and and I mean that's her right because
she got out of it. So like if if people
think some people think she's innocent, a lot of people
think she's innocent, then like, why not just stay that
way instead of further deep digging yourself in a hole,

(35:47):
you know?

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I mean, there was rumors going around that she was
possibly going to be going to crime con last year,
but I like, why the fuck would she go there?
She's gonna get it on both ends, reporters and people
challenging her. Why in the world was she go there?
Of course she's gonna go to Wall Street Journal where
they're gonna cover the case. They're gonna there are a

(36:08):
huge credible news outlet, but they're definitely not gonna have
the questions lined up to push back on her story
at all, and they're definitely not as well versed as
people in this universe are. So why would her first
public appearance be Crime God. I mean, it wouldn't even
make any sense. It would be huge for Crime God,
and that would be awesome for them, But like, I
don't think she would dare walk in that building. Know,

(36:30):
it was a weeding.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
The people that people not only the investigators, but actually
the attendees of Crime con like know more about all
of these cases than these people know about these cases.
So it's like walking into the lions. Then you're not
gonna do it. All Right, let's talk about another case
that's been in the news. We talked about it on

(36:53):
last week's episode, right about the dentists.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, so we covered the murders of a dentist and
his wife, Spenter and Unique Tempe. So basically now her
ex husband, Monique has been Monique's ex husband has been
arrested for the crime. And I think this is shocking
everybody because he's a surgeon, and people want to think
that somebody that went through all that training and education

(37:16):
and is living their life and doing this nice job
making a lot of money wouldn't dare kill somebody. But like,
it's not really looking good for him right now. There.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I saw this meme going around yesterday that was a
side by side with this guy with the dad from
The Incredibles, and it was just like, tell me, he
doesn't look exactly like this. I can't unsee this. And
I was like, oh my god, he really does. But anyway, yeah,
I mean this unfortunately reminds me of the case of
one of my old friends, Amy Harwick. I wrote about

(37:49):
her in the Grossery Room as well about her murder,
and it was the same kind of a situation that
she was. You know, she was dating the guy and
he was, you know, a stalker, and they hadn't been
dating for a long time, and then they saw each
other and something triggered something in him to want to

(38:13):
visit her and ultimately kill her. And you would look,
so this happened with this guy. So this guy that
looks like the dad from the Incredibles, he was married
to this woman over nine years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, they've been married from twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen,
and according to their friends, they thought it was an
amicable split.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
So something about this guy was and like we'll find
out more as the trial goes on, because they've had
they didn't have children together, because her two little kids
that were found alive in the house were with her
current husband, So there was something and it will find

(38:57):
out like he was stalking her life online, they had
some kind of an interaction because especially like if you
dated a guy and married him in your early twenties
and then you're in your thirties and or forties even
and you and you're remarried with other kids, Like there's
really no reason that you would ever even talk to
the guy anymore if you didn't have kids with them, Right,
So it's like we're gonna hear whatever that connection is.

(39:21):
And then I also want to bring up that I
haven't heard because I've seen a lot of things circulating
online with old newspaper clippings of this guy and stuff,
and it says that he was like this star football
player in high school.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
And interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
And like I don't know how many times on the
show that we have to talk about certain cases of
men that are around this age that seem to have
something switch inside of them that makes them violent, and
a lot of times it could be correlated with multiple
incidents of head trauma during contact sports like football. So

(40:00):
I don't know, like this, this is just like an assumption.
This is me just like assuming and going out on
a limb and thinking this. But we're gonna hear more
as more comes out. Because this guy's a surgeon, so
he's worked with multiple people in a hospital situation, you know, friends, family,
Did he have a history of being a stalker?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Did?

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Did the family know right away when the daughter was killed?
Who did it? That's a huge one you always talk about,
like like right now, if if I ended up murdered,
somebody would say to Maria like who would want to
do this? And and Maria would be like, I don't know,
Like I don't there's no one in her life that's

(40:45):
like her name, you know what I mean like that,
But there's certain people like Jody. When Jody as killed Alexander. Yeah,
killed Travis Alexander.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Immediately everybody, all of the.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Friends were like it was Jode because she was such
a psycho when they were dating and stuff. So so
all of that will come out with the details and
we'll cover that case. But it's just it's just a
really sad situation because now and it's likely like, oh,
she's living this happy life that I wanted to have
with her and I don't and I mean, we don't

(41:20):
know anything so well.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I mean, he's as of now claiming he's innocent, but
like the evidence they've shown in the press so far
is pretty damning. They're saying, like his so he lived
in Chicago, which is three hundred and twenty five miles
away from where the crime took place, and they have
been able to successfully track his car in her neighborhood
in the exact timeframe that they think the murders occurred.

(41:44):
And they have a guy on film on CCTV right,
same body built like same body type frame and everything.
If you remember when we were talking about this last week,
remember that there was like this weird nine to one
to one call from their house and we called it
automatically that it was some kind of weird cheating domestic situation.

(42:05):
So I'm just curious, like how this is all gonna
play out. Somebody on her YouTube actually have a comment
about that, and of course this is just what this
person's saying, so it's not confirmed or anything, but they're
saying that it was a nine to one one call
from a party that the couple threw back in April,
and it was a guest at the party that they
believe had an edible and alcohol and had a nervous breakdown.

(42:28):
Well I understand that, so we did know from the beginning,
so it really hurt. It probably has nothing to do
with like, yeah, just like you're a random friend that
just like thought they were taking a gummy to get
a buzz and like was blitzed out of their minds.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's happened to me before. It trusts me, I know, I.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Mean definitely with what ended up happening, it's like really
scary to think about. But I don't think they're connected
at all. But I'm interested what we're gonna learn about
this guy and if he's gonna end up going to
trial for this. This episode is brought to you by

(43:11):
the Grossroom guys.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So like we said earlier, we covered the high profile
death dis section on Jonathan Gurloc this week in the
Gross Room about the case we were talking about earlier
where we show all the pictures and I show pictures
of like what legal skolls look like versus his and
just a different decomposition that's going on in his particular case.

(43:35):
And also we have I have a video that's titled
Elephant getting a pedicure because it looks like an elephant
getting a pedicure, but really it's a human. So we
talk all about how a human's leg could possibly look
like an elephant's leg, and just what's the most unusual
situation you've ever been in getting a pedicure? Have you

(43:58):
ever been sitting next to someone that's like, what's going
on here? We also have a case of a person
who was accidentally shot with a celibratory fire, and we
talked about a case that happened on New Year's Eve
last year too, where you know, I'm sure you've heard
of this sometimes that people like will shoot a gun

(44:20):
up into the air, and so the post is titled
what goes up must come down because this came down
and embedded in this guy's head. But it's it's interesting
to see a gunshot wound like this that barely scratched
the surface and didn't kill a person straight in the
center of their head. So all that and more in
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So in Thailand, a newborn baby was discovered in the
tank of a toilet in an office building after a
cleaner heard the baby crying.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, so, I mean, just imagine being at an office
building after hours and hearing a baby cry, which is unusual,
and pinpointing the sound and lifting up the lid of
a toilet and finding a human baby alive in the
tank of a toilet.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I mean, this is disgusting on many levels. It's like
you give they think the baby was we one day old,
so you give birth to a baby and then like
there's I don't know how it works in Thailand. I
know here we've talked about it, like fire departments and stuff,
they have places you could bring a child to surrender
them kind of like no questions asked. But to put
a kid in there at all is a disgusting and

(45:35):
be so morally wrong to do that. I mean, if
that person didn't hear the child crying. The child could
have died, and miraculously they survived. And it's not like
the kid had closed on or anything. So when they
found the baby, her skin was all shriveled up in everything,
and she was freezing. They had to bring her to
the hospital. She's in critical condition. I can't believe she
survived it.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
So they could tell that the baby was born only
within twenty four hours based upon the look of the
umbilical cord stump. So at that point especially, I mean
it was immersed in water too, but at that point
it wouldn't be dried out or anything like that, so
it looked like a freshly cut off umbilical cord. They

(46:16):
didn't say it was still attached to the placenta, so
I'm assuming someone cut it. And they also said that
there was really no evidence of anything else, So it
doesn't appear that the mother gave birth in that bathroom
and then stuck it in that bathroom.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, and from what the art from the way the
article is fraesed, it seems like it's gonna be pretty
easy to figure out who did it because they have
surveillance there.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, Well, she doesn't seem like she's going to be
getting in trouble. All right, let's lighten things up, because
that story is terrible. The pictures are just so sad
to see. The baby's just so cute, and you're just like,
this is so terrible. At least now, hopefully she'll be
able to get adopted and have a decent life and
not know any of that. All right, everyone's got a

(46:58):
booger wall, right.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Oh my god? There, So I guess since I've been pregnant,
more things are making me want to throw up to
hear about. But really, I consider myself to be okay
with most things with boogers or one that I don't
want to see them on anyone else. I just with
that baby or the baby booger sucking tool, Oh my registry,

(47:20):
I'm like, I don't even want to have to touch that.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
That is that's like if I could, And like, I
haven't had kids in eleven years, so I'm sure there's
better things that have come out since then. But that's
like a number one tool I always recommend to parents
to get because I feel like I've seen one now
that did you get one that's like electric?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
And shit?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
No, I think it's the one you used to have
that you like, Yeah, it's like ten bucks and you
suck it with your mouth. It's like the best tool ever.
Gabe used to like do it so hard on the
kids that their their eyes would like roll back. It
was like so funny, and he would he would pride
himself in this, not elections he would get from the kids.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
So this guy went on social media and was talking
about his childhood booger wall and said that it accumulated
so many boogers over time that it was several feet wide,
which is so disgusting. So then he says one day
he ends up falling against the wall and scraped his
back and shoulder and had to be hospitalized and he

(48:22):
ended up having a severe staff infection from it.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
This is just so it's just wrong on so many levels.
How do you have, Like, listen, I have one kid
that's a total slab and then another kid that is
like makes her bed every day, right, but every single
day I go in the room and the one that's
a slob, I go in there every day and I'm
just like cleaning it and helping her because I just
know that her mind, her mind is just kind of messy,

(48:49):
and that's like she just needs help staying organized and
not being overwhelmed and stuff. I just think, like it's
grossed and kids do that or whatever. But if I
saw one bogger on the wall, I'd be like going
in there with one of those chlorox wipes and like
wiping the wall down and then being like stop doing that.
And how do you just like let your kid accumulate

(49:11):
a wall like that and just leave it there like
it it's just disgusting it. It really is like that's
the parent's fault one hundred percent. But I don't know,
like what do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That was my very first question. How did it get?
I mean, this guy's talking about how this happened over years,
and I'm like, this thing was several feet wide and
nobody saw it unless he really had it hidden. But
it must have not been that hidden if he fell
on it and got the cuts from it. And also
how disgusting that it's so hardened that you're getting a

(49:44):
significant cut and then an infection from it.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
So so you normally have staff Arius bacteria on your
skin A lot of people do anyway, So when you
pick your nose and it could be in you're not.
So when you pick your nose, there's a probability that
you have that bacteria in your nose. So you pick
it and then you wipe it on the wall, and

(50:09):
now it no longer has the host of a human, right.
But staph Arius is one of these notorious ones that
can live for days or months on a foamite. A
foam might is considered a non animal object. So this
is oftentimes this is why staff infections could be so

(50:31):
contagious because gym equipment, that's why they tell they leave
those alcoholic wipes there. You can catch it from gym equipment.
Wrestlers can catch it from the floor, and you can't really,
I mean obviously, like leaving the boogie there with it
sitting there is just and breaking the skin. It's just

(50:52):
asking for it, right. People get staff infections all the time.
That could be something as small as like a little
boil or start like looking like a pimple. You remember
you used to get one on your face, the impentago.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, I was I need to ask about that at
the midwife because I get it all the time. And
I was like, can I use the medicine?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, and so like and but and it could get
really out of control if you don't, if you don't
get medication and treatment for it, and then it could
get all the way to the point where you have
to be hospitalized. It gets in your blood, it causes
damage to your organs, and could kill you.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
So it's not a joke. It's just.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
This is like the rarest way to get an injury ever.
And it's disgusting. How old was this guy, because because
I'm like, Okay, you had a booger wall when you're
a kid, But then it sounds like as an adult
he got this this injury or something like it.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
No, he was a kid when it happened. He's just
talking about it. But the worst part of this is
he's saying that the doctors obviously never experienced anything like
this before, so they had to go take samples off
of the walls, and they showed up wearing hazmat suits
to take the samples. Yeah, which I think over boogers. Yeah,

(52:14):
I just think that that's I don't even understand why
that happened. That sounds like a little weird.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Honestly, I feel like, right now, if you just went
to the hospital and said that this happened, they'd be like, okay, like,
who's going to do that? It almost doesn't It doesn't
sound true, honestly, Like I'm just like that would nobody's
nobody cares that you could have picked it up at
a gym or something like it unless they I just
don't even I don't even know if I think that

(52:42):
that's true.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
This is a social media tale, so there is a
large probability that it is not factual. I mean, I
I do believe.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I do believe that it's possible in theory, In scientific theory,
it is possible that he got a scrape and infection
because you know, like a dried booger is is like
a knife. So I do believe that it is possible,
although maybe not probable. But the rest of the hazmat story,

(53:13):
I'm just like, that doesn't even make any sense. It's
a staff is like a bread and butter microbiology infection.
It's not like some weird bacteria that you're like, Okay,
where did someone America get this weird bacterial infection from.
They're not sending the CDC out there like it's it
just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I'm just the most bothered that the parents never found
the booger wall, and it got so severe it is
so disgusting.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
All right, I want to know if you what you
guys think about the booger wall?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, did you have a booger wall? How big was it?
What did it look like? How long did it take
for your parents to find it? Were they going to
sell the house with this giant boger wall? How do
you get it off the wall with a scraper? No?
Thank you? All right. Apparently people are now getting bbls
from a product that's sourced from cadavers.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
So plastic surgeons are saying that this is good because
sometimes when women or I guess men could get them too.
When people go get a BBL or Brazilian butt lift,
the typical procedure is that they liposuction fat from your
abdomen and from your flanks, and then they take that

(54:25):
fat and then they reinject it into your butt to
make your butt look bigger. But sometimes there's challenges because
if a woman is really skinny, there's nowhere to liposuction
fat from, or if the woman or the man, whatever
the person has already had previous liposuction, it's very hard
to get more fat off of them, So they take

(54:48):
fat from cadavers and they process it by clearing. They
say they're able to clear the DNA and everything from
it so a person doesn't have a reaction to it,
and then they're able to inject it with a needle
in an office where you don't even need to get
general anesthesia. So in theory that it seems to be

(55:10):
a much safer thing if more people start using it,
because a BBL at this point is considered to be
the most dangerous plastic surgery that is there that is
out there right now because of the anesthesia, but also
because of the fat injections and possibly hitting a major
blood vessel while you're doing that and causing a fat

(55:32):
embolism or something like that, which there's been documented cases
of it every single year. So there has to be special,
really skilled surgeons that know exactly how to do this
procedure and not hit the wrong area by accident. And
obviously we know that people go to other countries to

(55:53):
get this stuff done, and we're illegal clinics, people not
skilled in anatomy to really know how you can cause
a serious problem with someone. So this was answered in
the article a little bit but one of the things was, well,
when you donate your body to science, Like if I say,
when I die, I want to donate my body to

(56:14):
a medical school or you know, to science in general,
You're like, I wouldn't think they were taking my fat
to use it to charge people to inject it into
their bodies. But this company is saying that everyone that
donates to them is aware that it's being used for
this purpose. But I also just think it's weird that
you donate to this company and then this donate this

(56:35):
company is then charge. I mean, I understand that they're
processing it and stuff like that, but they're still making
money off of something that was given to them for free.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Yeah, because it said it could cost up to ten
thousand dollars with this specific product, But I don't I mean,
I don't know what BBOs cost, and I assume like
when you're in California or Miami, you're a higher income
area and whatever, depending on the clinic or the doctor
you're going to. It's said online you they go up
to twenty grand, which I think is pretty cheap for

(57:06):
one of those, Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Like, oh, you can get them, But if you go
to one of these like mass produced clinics, like in
Miami you could get one for like five grand or
six grand.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah, Well, the thing is is that people pay it.
People want it done, and people will pay it. I'm
I'm of the of the you know. I Sometimes I
see people that have that done, and I think it
looks good on a lot of people. Other people, like
especially they're talking about like people that are so thin
that there's no fat tussuction off of their bodies to

(57:37):
put it in their butt. Sometimes I see people have
these huge butts and their thighs are so skinny, and
it just looks so weird, like it's so obvious, but whatever.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Like people also get.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Big fake boobs that look obviously fake, and like some
people are just going for that look.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
So I said, even to the Curriculus day, I was like,
I don't understand how people get these enormous boob jobs
when there's you skinny, because they feel very front heavy
right now between like my bellies starting to get bigger
and my boob's getting bigger, And why would you want
to live like that all the time? It's so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Yeah, I think I think I would be like that too,
with just any implants in general, because I'm like one
of those people that are super aware of like a
seam in my sock and it drives me nuts all day.
And I have I only wear like one certain brand
of socks that has no seams in it. I can't
wear another sock they have, you know, like stuff like that.

(58:34):
So I always think, like, if I had an implant
under my boob and like one of them wasn't comfortable
or something, I'd want to like rip it out and
I would be asleep.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
No way at all. Yeah, I thought it was interesting
because they said this might be used for face filler
in the future too, So I just wonder how many
different procedures you're going to try to use.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, And it's I mean, obviously we've heard about this
that there's this huge growing problem with people taking the
gl P one drugs and having fat loss and prematurely wrinkling.
So this would be a good alternative.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I know they do.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
They do do it already sometimes, so it's not it's
not new, They're just they're just saying that people more
surgeons are increasingly using the product.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I just think it's gonna maybe. I don't think BBLS
are as in fashion as they've been the last ten years, though,
like I think they're making their way out, so it
seems kind of dumb to introduce this product at this point.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I'm I'm actually interested in a BBL for myself, doctor Miami.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I seriously like I have, like I have, like Taylor
Swift flat ass syndrome.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
What's it called.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
There's like a name for it that people have, like
a name for her a pancake.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But it just.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Like like I would be interested in it, but it's
just so dangerous and if I was just my if
I was Nicole and didn't have little kids, I would
have gotten it done. I'm not lying, but the procedure
is so risky that I'm like, does it bother me
that bad that I have a flat ass? Like, yes,

(01:00:17):
it bothers me, but like I'm not going to risk
my life when I have little kids for for that.
It just seems like it's it's kind of a bigger risk.
But I'm interested in it because some of the because
for me, I have like the whitest tips and the
biggest thighs anyway that nobody would even be like, oh
that looks weird, because it would match you would, you will.

(01:00:40):
And when it looks good when it when it's on
a body that's proportionate, like I feel like it. Actually
it looks like good if it's not overdone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I would never get like breast in plants, but I
think in the future I could be. And don't they
do like a lift or something where they could like
make them smaller but like make them nice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, but I don't know. I personally, I don't like
the scars. I feel like scars are kind of distracting.
And some people will say that they could barely see
their scars and that's fine. I'm just like so white,
so you could always see my scars if I had them.
I feel like they should be able to do like

(01:01:22):
a build a bear situation, like your boobs, Like your
boobs are just kind of deflated, so just like put
a hole in it and fill it up with some
fat or something stuff it just stuff it like the
empty builde bear.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Oh my god. All right, on your questions and emails.
This first one was sent to us on Instagram. I'm
not gonna share this Firsu's name because some of the
information I don't want people figuring out who is she said,
I recently listened to your podcast about the Baltimore County
firefighter that violated his station. His name is Christopher M. Carroll.
He was in court on December twenty ninth, and apparently

(01:01:54):
also did this in restaurants and in the gym. I
live in the same county and we all also our
volunteers in our local stations, so that's how we found
his name. He also did it to his estranged wife,
who has been taken out, who has taken out a
protection order against him, and now is reported in the
news you sent me this morning that he is appealing
that violation order.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Well, that article was sent to me by a firefighter
AMT that worked there. So who's been keeping me up
to date with this case? Which is so many more
disturbing details are coming out. First, he's calling this like
his art ew which which is gross. The grossest thing though,

(01:02:39):
was the white The wife found videos of him ejaculating
into her mouthwash and saying other products that their children
also used. All right, that's like, not that the whole
thing hasn't been crossing a line, but that's jail forever.
Like you are subjecting your own children and any children
at all to this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
This is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Some of these stories that we read. You just think, Okay,
the kids, I don't even know how old disguised kids are, right,
But like some of these stories that we read that
we read were just like what happens when these children
get older and start using Google? I mean, could you
just imagine learning that about your parent? Why aren't my

(01:03:20):
parents together? And googling him and this information coming up.
It's not only like, Okay, it's weird that he was
ejaculating using people's chapstick in his butthole and stuff at
the firehouse. Okay, that's one level of weird. But to
know that he was, I mean, that's it's sexual assault
to me. It's just it's so grown. Yeah, and I

(01:03:41):
hope they're able to hit him with a lot of
different charges as it relates to that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
This is really disturbed, It really is, all right. Next
is from Amanda. I am the lawyer and want to
be doctor who brought along her mini me to crime con.
I was shadowing my Ubigi and the other day and
I was actually able to witness a d During the DNC,
the doctor discovered a long tudinal vaginal septum that ran

(01:04:07):
the length of the vagina but stopped before the cervix.
She only had one cervix, but during the DNC the
physician found a possible by corniate uters. Is that the
right pronulus? You say it? Wait? The physician couldn't tell
if it was that or a single with a huge septum.

(01:04:27):
This lady had experienced repeated miscarriages and the physician has
never had the ability to examine her because the patient
always presented at the time of loss. She has no
issue getting pregnant, and the septum was so flexible it
ends up laying against the vaginal wall. During examination and intercourse,
the HSG never showed the separate cavity. So that's part

(01:04:47):
one to that. So do you want to comment on
that before I get into the part two? Yeah, So
what is the correct pronuncie?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
When you when you're developing as a female fetus, you
have these docks called them all ducks, and there's two
of them, and as the fetus is developing, those two
ducks get together and they fuse to make one, which
ends up being the uterus, cervix, and vagina. But just

(01:05:14):
like everything, while we're developing as a fetus, something can
go wrong or not go one hundred percent right. And
when those two ducks come together, sometimes they stick together,
but they don't completely form one tube. It's only it
could be like two tubes are part of two tubes, right,
So there is a possibility that the two tubes get

(01:05:40):
so close together and just stick together. But they essentially
make two separate vaginas, two separate cervixes, two separate uteruses
depending on how at what state of fusion that is,
is what this lady is describing. So she's saying that
this woman had a septum between her vaginas, so she

(01:06:03):
basically had two vaginas, is what she's saying. But she's
saying that that that that septum in between the two
vaginas was so soft that when the penis went in
the one side, it pushed over to make to make
one vagina. Basically like it was soft, it wasn't hard
for a penis to go in there. It does that

(01:06:24):
make sense? Yeah, So, but then at the level of
the cervix, it seemed to have fused just fine and
there was no issues, which is why there's one cervix.
And then with the uterus, it doesn't seem like it
fused all the way. So she's saying that either that
there's a full septum, making it two totally different uterine cavities,

(01:06:46):
or a bicornate uterus, which would be like there's two
different cavities and there's a little bit of a septum
in between them, but like they still can communicate with
one another. So a normal uterine cavity is like a
trying shape and this and this one is more of
like a almost like a heart shape in a way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
So it just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Like that septum could affect how a growing fetus, you know,
the room a fetus has to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
People.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
I mean, we've had stories on here. I think that
people have gotten pregnant and like one side of their
uterus with one baby and one side of their uterus
with another baby. Yeah, so it's it's it's so cool.
It's like one of my I love I love embryological
uh defects and congenital defects are so they're they're really
fun to see because you could see them, you know,

(01:07:37):
it's evidence of like what was happening when you were
a fetus when you're an adult. It's just really cool.
So yeah, I don't know, because I don't I'm not
in obgan. I don't know what specific testing needs to
be done in order to see that. I would think
that on what's that you had that test on, right whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
She was saying that, Uh, well she's talking about a
d n C now, not the DNC that the test,
oh the HSG. Yeah, I had that. So that's like
a X ray using contrast of that cavity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah, so that's weird that that wasn't picked up. But
I don't know what the typical test is to show that.
But it's still interesting because it it's it's not very
common in general defect.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Yeah, that is interesting on that test because I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Feel, I mean, that's just the whole point of that test.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I didn't I didn't look at the pictures like super long, right,
but like the doctor that did it was showing me
like how fucked my Philippians was on it. So yeah,
I mean, I do think it's interesting they that it
didn't pick it up, but I think it's I think
it's cool, Like I wonder what it looked like, what

(01:08:54):
the full thing looks like. I guess you won't know
until the end of her life, right, unless she's cut
open or whatever, what the full cavity looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, I mean you can get you could. I mean
I've seen them in surgical pathology all the time. You
get her hysterectomy for it. Yeah, but now I feel
like I feel like an MRI or another test could
really look at it better. I'm just not really sure
exactly how they see it. But i mean, how did

(01:09:25):
what did she just say? How did they figure it out?
Because they were doing the DNCA, So DNC is a
dilation and curetage.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
They're done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
They could be a procedure done so they dilate the
cervix and they go up inside of the uter in
cavity and they kind of scrape it out. It can
be done in abortions, but it also could be done
in a person that had a miscarriage and maybe all
of the products didn't come out. Or it could also
be like I've had one done because I had endometrial polyps,

(01:09:57):
so I had to get it done like as a
biopsy kind of. So there's different reasons why they do
it and why they could have been up there. But
if she was having trouble, uh getting pregnant, that's I
mean that would definitely be a test to help figure
out what was going on in there, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
So part two of this is also I kept thinking
about the Chipotle case to give some procedural insight. The
petition in a case only needs to state the amount
of damages for purposes of determining the correct jurisdiction for
bringing the case its strategy. The pleadings are also unspecific
because most of the time discovery is required to further

(01:10:35):
prove allegations, and in general specifics are left for the jury.
The other party will discover what they need to through
written discovery and depositions. And finally, when it comes to damages,
you must have some type of damages. In Texas, mental
damages must accompany a physical manifestation. We need something objected
to determine the value of the case, and we do

(01:10:58):
not want people taking advantage of the court for damages
that are unmeasurable and based on what could have happened
versus what did happen. Bystanderd cases are appropriate in cases
of a family member witnessing a loved one die or
be seriously injured. So that's in reference to the alleged
rat that was found in the cold.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I mean that could be anything too, because I feel
like that was like what happened when I had Lilian.
I could have died, I almost.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Whatever, but like it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
We both walked away with nothing, and like everybody has
emotional trauma from it, but it's not anything that could
be measured or I mean, I didn't even try to
do anything with them, but because I mean I would
just want to just just to get them in trouble,
so maybe they would change some of their practices, but

(01:11:48):
other than that. But yeah, like dude, just listening to
that lawyer talk just it makes my head spin. I
just all those words and stuff. It just it just
is very hard for me to follow. Like what that means.
It's their talk is so fancy and extra and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Just I do envy the intelligence of this listener and
how they could write in so well. I feel like
I feel like our biggest flaw is like we are
funny and everything, like we can't always like get our
thoughts out in a clear way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
But whatever, speak for yourself. I don't think that's a flaw.
I think that's that's why people listen to us, because
we're not trying to talk over their head. But yeah,
like we we You know, I've dealt with a lawyer
for a contract before, and I just really I really
envy people that can do that job, because I wanted

(01:12:46):
to cry just trying to read the contract, Like I
seriously wanted to cry. I'm like, how do you How
could you sit there all day and look at a
couple pieces of paper and go by line by line
and just dissect what every single one of them means
and how it might affect your client. It's I mean,
it's I love that people are there to do that,
because I certainly and that's why they get paid a lot, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Well, I think some people also just like doing it,
like sitting, especially when you're doing contracts. Oh that's all
they do. I mean you saw how they were nerded
out over it. Oh yeah, they must get some satisfaction
from it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
But all right, last, as mother and daughter with your
biggest similarities and differences, isn't that something the listeners could
probably already figure out?

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I'm interested what they think face on knowing us.
I mean, I I feel like, I don't know, I
feel like we're the most similar and the most different
people at the same time. It's this weird dynamic Maria is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Maria is like an uber rule follower, and I'm an
uber not role follower.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Which gives me massive anxiety.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
And hers get me massive anxiety.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I am super a type. I write a list every
single morning for my day, and I write one for
the week at the beginning of the week. And if
I don't get things checked off, I get major anxiety.
And she doesn't give a shit when things have one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I've been checked my email in days. I don't write
people back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
You have thirty thousand unread emails. I don't keep the
red push notification there longer than five minutes. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I am of the mindset that I don't feel like
I have to answer to anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
We know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Well, I'm serious, Like, just because bones exist doesn't mean
that I have to get back to people. It just
doesn't Like I don't. I don't owe that to anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
No, you don't, because you can't even sleep if you
don't write somebody back. It drives you nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, but where I get most annoyed with you is
when I send you a clip that I want to
put on Instagram and like four o'clock in the afternoon,
and then at nine thirty, you'll be like, take this
part out, because.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
What's happening in my life At four o'clock in the afternoon,
I'm picking the kids up from school, coming right home,
prepping dinner, cooking dinner, eating dinner, picking up from dance,
driving here, driving there, putting the kids to bed, talking
them in, making sure they have showers. And what is
nine thirty? This is exactly Listen, nine thirty is their bedtime.

(01:15:26):
So all of a sudden, I write back because that's
when I'm like, oh, I have a second to myself.
I can't wait till you have a freaking kid. Man,
you're gonna get something. You're just gonna get a big
culture shock of what.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm gonna give you a dose of your own medicine
and see how it feels.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
No, I just I'm really looking forward to watching this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
I'd say, and I'll be like, oh, you couldn't get
back to me for four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Oh are you busy or something doing something?

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Yeah, And I'm gonna give you a dose of your
own medicine and see how you like it. But You're like,
I need this video for the gross room. It's gonna
take me. Instead of five minutes, it's gonna take be
like seven hours. See how it feels okay. Decore wise,
I feel like we're both maximalists, but in very different ways.
You like dark romantic tones. I like very bright retro

(01:16:14):
mid century stuff. But we still decorate in the same
kind of way decorate. I guess I maximalist. You're saying, yeah,
Like I feel like it's the way we dress too,
Like you have a very specific, specific style and I do,
and they're like similar but different. I lean more into
your style for the show because that's kind of what
the show vibe is, and I like to match and

(01:16:35):
be coordinated in everything. But in real life, I think
I wear way more bright colors.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
We're both really good with with colors.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
We're really good with colors. Sometimes it's like the worst
curse you could know. It is the worst curse.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
It ruins my life. And I did I tell you
I pinpointed that to my childhood. No, when I I remember,
I just really over Christmas when I was a little kid.
I would just drop, like be in the car, and
you know, we didn't have phones and stuff, so we
actually had to look out the window when I was
a kid, and I would look at all the houses
and get like crazy when people have Christmas lights that

(01:17:13):
don't match, even if it's like the same colors, but
they're like different sizes and stuff like that. Like I
would just like like strip the house in my mind
and be like, oh, if the Christmas lights look like
this and like that, it would just look so much better.
And now I'm like I was doing it as I
was doing it recently, even how they're hung up and everything,

(01:17:34):
like I was doing it recently when we were driving
around on our trip, because people still have their Christmas
lights up all over the country, and I was just like, wow,
this is where I got. I've been doing this since
I was a little kid.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I told you. I was at the store. We have
red and white warm white lights. And Ricky goes and
picks up this box of icicles and they're cool white. Now,
like you can't do that, and he's looking at me
like crazy, and I'm like, you can't have cool white
with warm white.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
If I went over your house and saw that, I
would rip it down, well I could. I would be
like I can't sleep tonight with this looking like this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
And he's like, I want to put them up today
and I'm like, you're just gonna have to wait. I
have to order warm white. Yes, I don't know what
you want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
That's like, That's the one that really bothers me is
the warm and the cool lights. There's I have a
flood light in my backyard that's cool. I didn't even
put it in. I don't know how to change like
I guess I would have to get up on some
crazy ladder to change it. And the rest of the
lighting around my house is warm and it drives me
absolutely nuts when it goes off. It just like I

(01:18:40):
hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
And our biggest similarity making fun of one Beth Qualitiri,
because she sent me a shirt the other day that
said she she is like the easiest person I swear.
That said dips on the redhead with a giant shamrock
like I'd everywhere shirt and she sent it to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Me before Wait did I show you? I did tell
you about the one I So I told you about
the one that she sent me with the christmaswater that
was like days after Christmas and it was terrible and it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Was just like what did it say?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
It was something about like liking the color pink and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
It was something about Flamingo's. You know, I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
So I just downloaded this new this new update on
the phone, which is something that drives me absolutely crazy.
You know how used to go in your text messages
and then you could you could hit the person's face
and then all of your pictures that you've had in
your conversation show up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I just can't figure out how to do that anymore.
And I'm not even sure it's an option anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I do you ever know? I don't think I'm the
new update, but I've noticed lately it's not accurate because
I will know for a fact you sent me a
picture like yesterday, for example, and when I we text
so much in between, I'll just hit that to try
to find it and it just won't be in there.
But if I scroll up, it will be there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So when I go in here now it says I'm
in gabes for example, it says download six hundred and
fifty three attachments in eye cloud. Why so I can't.
I just can't see, Man, that's gonna really make it
is because I referenced that I use that a lot.
But with typical Apple like it just every single time

(01:20:25):
you have to progress and just make it different. Everything's different.
Every single time I text you, I feel like I'm
in Instagram and sending a message to you because that's
what it looks like now instead of the text message.
And I had to can't. I know it sucks. So anyway,
she sent me a picture of some really cheesy Christmas

(01:20:46):
sweater from Timu. Everything's from Timu. Of course, she sent
me one a couple of weeks ago that was the
same exact thing, and it said dibbs on the Fireman.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
And I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Something triggers in her head that she's just like Fireman
Nicole text send. There's no other thought outside of those things.
It's a very it's a very primitive way of thinking.
It's just like Maria cowboy stuff, text message send it

(01:21:20):
has something that she'll like, Oh, I see a cowboy boot,
get it. I called Pop up at like nine o'clock
this morning and he said she was awake, and I said, oh,
it's I'm surprised because it's the middle of the night
for oh And he thought that was the funniest thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
We always mess with her because like I'll call and then,
especially on the weekend, and it'll be like ten o'clock
and she's like I could clearly tell that I woke
her up. And I'm like, Mom, I've I'm done like
half of my day already. Today it's ten o'clock in
the morning. I've done like, I've written three articles, I've
cleaned this, I've watered my plants, you know, I made

(01:21:58):
the bed, this and that. And I'm like, in you're
still in bed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
You better call him, by the way, because I assume
he hasn't heard from you in like forty eight hours.
Thinks you're dead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I was just thinking that today. I'm like, I didn't
talk to him yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah, he was like, where is your mother? And I'm like,
I don't know. She's at her house. I don't keep
tabs on her all day jesus, So you better call
him because he thinks you did. All right, Well, this
has been the longest episode ever, so we have a
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(01:22:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
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