September 11, 2026 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are addressing the mess with Curtis Saliwa. Curtis, hello.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I don't know if it should be a hello. I
just saw the news the other day. 35th season of
Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You're upset, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And you, Gandhi, and you, Diamond, sold me wolf tickets.
It is National Wolf Day, you know, National Wolf Day. And, hey,
Donald Trump, leave the wolves alone, the wild wolves in
Jellystone National Park, Yellowstone National Park. But you said. The
both of you would work together diligently to try to
(00:40):
find a way to get me on Dancing with the Stars.
We did. And you did Jack Diddley, Squaw, Zilch, Bupkis, Nadia, Ugat.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You are right and you are wrong about your beef here.
So we said we were going to try to get
you on Dancing with the Stars. However, we asked you
to show us video of you dancing or to just
dance here in the studio and you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So what are we supposed to submit?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Excuse me. That's set the record straight. This program is
called Address the Mess.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, look, with G-D-S.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What does that mean? You came up with it.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, you know, I'm getting a little older. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Diamond.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes. Sliwa. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That was your idea.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, it was. Boy, do I get residuals on that?
I mean, my idea, huh?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is there a trademark? Is there a copyright on that?
Or is this a product of the iHeart empire?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, I want you to pay attention to one thing.
So a dress, the mess is really big, right?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And it's also on the side. It's big. And then
with GDS, it's real tiny.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I thought that was GPS. But anyway. Let me just
make mention that you had all the video you needed,
the collaboration of all the FM stations here of iHeart
that had me dancing on the Gay Pride float from
the beginning of the parade to the end of the parade.
(02:02):
I stole the show like a whirling dervish. You had
more than enough footage. No, we didn't. Just admit it.
I was a person of no consequence to the both
of you. You sold me wolf tickets and you left
me hanging.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I guess in some ways we did leave you hanging
because we did not chase you down and ask you
to give us better dancing footage of you. But we
did ask you while you were in here to dance
for us so that we could submit that. And you
have to talk to the camera and say, hey, casting director,
is it Dancing with the Stars ABC?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
This is why I would be great. Does this mean
ABC always broadcasting Curtis the next year? Oh, my God.
Same time, same place. For season number 36, if there
is a season 36, you will have done due diligence. Yes.
And the both of you would have buttressed all the
information you need to get me qualified. Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You have to participate in this, though.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, you do understand that it appears that everybody that
they have competing now, most of whom I can't even recognize.
I can't even pronounce their names. Most of them are
like from East Europe, Russia, Ukraine. I thought they were
in war.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Those are all the pros.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh, close. And what am I, an amateur? What am I,
an amateur?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, so there are the stars and then there are
the professional dancers.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh. Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You've got to know the show if you're going to
go on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, no, I consider myself a professional dancer extraordinaire.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's going to be hard for you to get on
the show then.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So both of you have homework. Both of you are
acting like a politician. You're making a lot of promises
and you're delivering nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
You didn't give us a tape of you dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There are so many tapes of me dancing. Oh, my God.
You didn't even do a deep dive. You didn't even
use your AI, actual intelligence. You probably used artificial intelligence, Google,
and you didn't come up with anything.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
We didn't use anything.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We asked you to cut a rug in here so
that our videographer could catch you dancing.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And you didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And then now you're mad that you're not on Dancing
with the Stars, which I got to say, looking at
the lineup of the people on Dancing with the Stars...
I think you're better than all of them.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You're damn right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I think you're too big for the show.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It would have been no comp. It would have been
me number one, second to none. So you both should
be apologizing to me on Ben Didney.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, that won't happen. But I think you know how
the voting works, right?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
No. Oh, Curtis.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, you want to just go on the show? You
don't know anything about the show.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Excuse me. You think I'm watching Dancing with the Stars?
You think I'm a devotee of that program, which is
about geriatric, espresso-sipping dancers of a previous era? Come on.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
They have young people on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Often. What do they consider young? 55 plus?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, they have some young people on the show. I
think the audience is probably 55 plus. But the issue
with the voting is it's not just based on how
good you are as a dancer, which I'm sure you're incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I saw you dropping it like it was hot.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Don't be glazing me, Gandhi. I'm not. I'm sure you're
an amazing dancer.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But it also has to do with popularity.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So how are you going to campaign to make people
love you while you're.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
On the show?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bribe them. This is the American tradition. What do you
mean popularity? You bribe them. That'll make you very popular
if you put scat all in their pockets. Dead American
presidents in their pockets. Watch how quickly they'll convert to saying, oh, Curtis,
he's the best, not like the rest.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, you got a lot of good ideas here, Curtis.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You're going to get on Dancing with the Stars and
you're going to bribe the American television audience.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's not even on TV anymore, is it?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's back on TV because it was only streaming for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Excuse me. Isn't that what American business does? Isn't that
what American politics does? Isn't it just one big bowl
of who can bribe more than the other? Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I think you can do this.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You have homework.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You have to participate in this project.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I definitely will.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And when you get on the show, because I have
faith that you're going to get on the show, even though,
you know, they're trying to steer clear of all things
politics now.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did you hear that? Because when Sean, was it Sean
Spicer who was on?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It caused a stink. Tom Bergeron left. Oh, please.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He was the worst.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
He was the worst.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Tucker Carlson was on, right? He was the worst. How
about if I just get out on the dance floor
and I do my robot, huh? Curtis. How about that? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Soul Train.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Don Cornelius. Curtis Lee would do it. The robot.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I can't focus when you're doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did you see? I bet you didn't. You don't watch
a lot of TV, right?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Do you watch a lot of TV?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
No. My wife, Nancy, cut the cord. You know, millennials,
they cut the cord. Gen Zers, they cut the cord.
So naturally, I'm a victim of that cutting the cord.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Do you remember the Australian breakdancer who made it to
the Olympics and was horrific?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
There's a really good documentary right now on Netflix about it.
And that move that you just did reminded me of
something that she incorporated into it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You have that DW40 oil. I'm feeling like a little
squeaky here.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I really hope my laughing didn't drown it out because
all our listeners are going to be able to hear
is your jacket.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wishing past the microphone.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, look, I think since we are moving into the
world of AI, artificial intelligence, with all these robots coming
out of Red China, I should compete against the Red
Chinese robots to see who can do a better robot.
Let me loosen up here. DW40. You know, this is
like the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz. Okay.
(07:48):
Gotta give me a little lubrication here.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Stretch it out.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Can I kick you some knowledge? I have knowledge.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Let's talk about New York City and you, because today,
the day that this episode comes out, is the 25th
anniversary of 9-11. A lot of stuff has been being
talked about around the city as far as 9-11 goes,
who was at ground zero, who was not, and whether
or not certain people should be allowed to attend 9-11
ceremonies today. And I do want to hear from you
(08:19):
on that because I know you've had beef with Donald
Trump about his recollection of 9-11 for quite some time.
And very recently he was speaking and he's going to
try and say that he misspoke and that we understood
it incorrectly. But he told a story that made it
sound like he was at ground zero and firefighters had
(08:40):
to rescue him. He actually said that. They picked me
up and they carried me away and I'm a big guy.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I wanted to run.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But....
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They carried him away. What say you about that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Donald Trump always injects himself into every aspect of history.
He's like Forrest Gump. When you saw the movie Forrest Gump,
you notice how Forrest Gump injected himself into almost every
aspect of history?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
He was everywhere, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That is Donald Trump. He is the Forrest Gump of
our lifetime. intellectually, intellectually, he's a dollar short and a
day late. But remember, it's the world. It's the world
of Donald Trump. It's his world. Nobody else's world. And
you better go along with whatever he whips up. So
let's start first with the 25th anniversary, which is today. Yeah.
(09:32):
A very solemn occasion. And the politicians hijacked it from
day one. All of a sudden, people were saying, this
person should show up. No, this person shouldn't show up. No,
this person shouldn't be there. The president of the United States,
(09:53):
the most important person, right, decided he didn't want to
be here because he couldn't give a speech. So he's
going to be at the Pentagon to honor the dead
who unfortunately was sacrificed on that day. Okay, you don't
want to be in New York City. But then all
of a sudden there was this groundswell that John Mondami,
duly elected mayor, fair and square, should not be at
(10:17):
the commemoration. Right. And I very respectfully said, because obviously
this was the sentiment of some of the family members,
that look, he is the mayor. He should be there. Mm-hmm.
It appears that if you're asking him not to be there,
this is the first Muslim mayor of New York City.
(10:37):
What kind of a message does that send? Regardless of
the fact of who he's associated with, whatever Hassan Piker
has said about 9-11, America basically deserved it, although he
amended that later. No, he's the mayor. You asked him?
(10:59):
You brought a petition to him. Please don't come. And
he said, no, as mayor, I will be there. As
far as I'm concerned, he handled it appropriately. If the
families were that upset, they could turn their back on
him at the commemoration. I would suggest that they not.
All the politicians are going to sit there or stand
(11:20):
and very quietly observe the family members as they announce
the names of of the family members who died on
that day. That's what the commemoration is about. You would
not know that with the big lead-up and build-up. He
shouldn't be there. He should be there. The mayor very
respectfully said, I'm going to be there. I represent all
(11:41):
the people of New York City. Hey, if you're upset,
mobilize and organize so the next election, 2029, maybe he
won't be the mayor any longer, but for right now,
You're taking away from the commemoration. Right. And then everything else.
Now we have a report that was released, 170,000 pages.
(12:05):
68 boxes were finally found in the Department of Environmental Protection.
Rudy didn't know where the boxes were when he was mayor.
Bloomberg didn't know where the boxes were. de Blasio, well,
I understand that. He was always in a drug-induced psychosis,
smoking Maui Waui and Hindu Kush. And Eric Atkins. Oh, yeah,
and Eric Adams' administration didn't know, but he was just
(12:26):
incompetent on everything. But Zoran Mandami's administration found the 68 boxes,
and they released it the other day. And boy— What
did they find?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Tell us what they found.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They found toxins were in the air, especially asbestos, for many,
many weeks, and nobody was warned about it. People were encouraged.
To go into the pile, to continue to try to
rescue any folks who might still be alive or at
least the remnants of them, even if it got down
to the DNA. People were encouraged to come back and
(12:59):
live in the homestead, go to school there, work there.
And all of it endangered them. And now we see
that more people have died of 9-11 related illnesses than
the 3,000 who perished on that day. Shame. on Rudy Giuliani,
Michael Bloomberg, Bill de Blasio, and Eric Adams. And we
have to give credit to Zohra Mandami. It's his administration
(13:21):
that not only found the cachet of these notes, but
the notes implicate the government as not protecting the people
at all.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And on both sides.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's not a one-sided thing. Both sides of the party
lines were complicit.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, it started with the EPA chieftess for Bush 43
at the time, Christine Whitman, who had previously been governor
of New Jersey, she said, oh, the EPA, the federal
EPA did tests. The air is clean. There are no toxins.
There's no asbestos. There's no problems. You can go back
into the area. Yeah. And people did. And they trusted
(13:55):
the government. That's why I never trust the government, no
matter who's in charge.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But you want to be in charge and you want
to be part of it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Understood, but always question authority. It didn't make sense. I mean,
I was down there as much as almost anybody. You
could smell death in the air for more than a year.
It was the world's largest crematorium. And you could smell
all these chemicals and toxins. I may not have known
what they were, but you could tell that that was
(14:23):
a danger zone. And now look at all the people
who suffered as a result. Absolutely. People need to go
to jail because of this report. There needs to be
a committee, full-scale investigation, whether you're a friend or foe.
If you didn't do your fiduciary responsibility to protect people
and you put window shades on your eyes, cotton balls
(14:44):
in your ears, and a zipper on your mouth, you
should go to jail. Now, that may include Rudy and
members of his administration, Michael Bloomberg and his administration, Bill
de Blasio or Eric Adams. And for all the critics
of Zohar Mandami, his is the administration that has finally
released the report so that we could all see it
for ourselves. And people are in a rage.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And they're taking this, what should be very unifying day
and moment and memorial and ceremony and using it to
further divide, which is all part of the overall agenda.
But it's very sad to say somebody who wants to
show up and be part of this, who is the
mayor of New York City, is now banned. It actually
gives me like little flashbacks to 9-11 because we've talked
(15:29):
about this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
On the show.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So many people will say that day. America on that day,
the day after as well, everybody was united. That was
the time that everybody came together and we were one.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There was no race. Everybody was the same. To which
I say, I disagree.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Do not feel the same looking the way that I
do after 9-11. I didn't feel that we were all
one because I was very sad about what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It was awful. I live here. I'm an American citizen.
That was horrible. But because I look the way I look.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And because I'm Indian and people confuse everything, we were
enemy number one. Everybody turned on us in a horrible way.
And now seeing people turn on him for reasons just
like this. It's sad and I hate it and I
want him to show up and I want everybody to
just deal with it as a team and be united
on this one front one time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, you know, part of the problem is I have
three sons, all of whom have gone to public school
at one point or another. I've asked all of them,
do you discuss what happened on 9-11 in the classroom? No, daddy.
Why not? They don't want people's feelings to be hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Feelings to be hurt. So imagine in most of these schools,
whether they're parochial or they're public, they're not even discussing 9-11,
not even on the day of the commemoration where everybody
goes to school. It's not a federal or national holiday.
You're not all from school. You would think that one day,
if no other day, you would take it to discuss it.
They're not doing it. You have a great museum and
(16:58):
a commemorative area there, right where the World Trade Center
site was. They should be taking tours of that. They
should be taking their field trips and go see what
it looked like, what it looks like now, the history
of it. We're not doing that for our children or grandchildren.
Shame on us. So I've gone through three phases. First,
(17:20):
after the attack of 9-11, the 9-11 truthers emerged. There
was Rosie O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen, and others who actually believed
that that was all a setup. that the implosions of
the World Trade Center site were done on purpose by
the Bush administration to get us into a foreign war. Now,
(17:42):
it didn't matter how often I argued that that was
not the case. It didn't matter. These 9-11 truthists believed it.
And then for a long time, why did the Bush
family hire charter jets to get the remnants of Osama
bin Laden's family, who were involved in construction and other Saudis,
out of here when there were no flights flying? Right.
We've never had answers to those questions.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
There's a lot of things we haven't had answers to,
especially the fact that we were warned by seven different
countries of when it was coming, how it was going
to happen and exactly what the plan was. And then
we acted like we had no idea. Oh, my gosh,
I'm so shocked that this happened. We knew that it
was coming. I would say at the very least.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Both Clinton and Bush 43 were asleep at the wheel.
We had tapes of conversations that were describing the plot.
That none of our national intelligence agencies ever listened to
and then translated from Arabic to English so that everybody
would know what was taking place. Shame on us. But
now we're 25 years later. And I got to tell you,
(18:40):
the focus is not on the surviving family members, even
those who perished. I mean, I was on the commemorative
walk with the Guardian Angels as we are each year,
which is a nonpolitical event which starts right by Madison
Square Garden, stops at all the firehouses on the way down.
We pay respects. to firefighters and others with their families
and friends. There's no discussion of politics, but everything thereafter
(19:04):
is political. And shame on us for politicizing this holiday
so that people are hating one another instead of coming together,
as we should have come together as a nation, both
after the attack And every year thereafter, it's getting increasingly
more difficult and more polarized as part of the political process.
(19:25):
And clearly, the president, Donald Trump, has contributed to that.
Of course. From day one. Of course.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
25 years later, do you believe the story is as
we've been told as far as what happened?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
In reference to President Donald Trump's imagination in terms of
his involvement?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, in reference to what happened on 9-11 and who
was responsible for it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
To me, it's very clear. Osama bin Laden. Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed was the mastermind, sold him on the idea. of
taking hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. They tried
it in 93 with a rider truck packed with explosives.
That was Ramzi Youssef. He eventually escaped to the Philippines.
(20:11):
He happened to be the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,
who then sold the idea to Osama bin Laden in
the hills of Afghanistan. So we had every opportunity to
To know what was coming down the pipe and we
chose to do nothing and we got hit hard. Did
we learn from that experience? I'm not necessarily sure because
(20:34):
all it's done is create a lot of divisiveness on this,
the 25th anniversary. A lot of hate instead of unification.
And I'll never forget the break that I had with
Donald Trump was over his so-called observations of what was
transpiring today. On the day of the actual attack. Right.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Where they were saying that there was video of people,
Arabs specifically, cheering. And we have found out later that
that's actually not true at all. That is not what happened.
And that's not the group that people saw cheering. And
before I really divide people further, I think it's just,
it's facts, right?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
We're not skewing things.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
We're not doing it for any type of gain or
anything besides just, hey, what actually happened? Let's talk about
the truth about what happened. And you've had beef with
Donald Trump about this for quite some time. Where do
you want to start? Do you want to start with
that part? Or do you want to start with his
freestyle story of where he was?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
No, the freestyle story we'll do at the end because
that's his most recent story. Okay. You know, where all
of a sudden he inserts himself into the 9-11 story.
So let's go back to the day of the attack. Yes.
He's at Trump Tower. He's doing radio TV interviews about
his building down on Wall Street is now the tallest
(21:50):
in the area because the towers have been taken down.
I wouldn't have handled it that way.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
A little tacky.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But that wasn't the worst thing that could have happened.
The worst thing was that he claimed that thousands of
Arabic people were dancing in the streets of Jersey City
and celebrating once they saw the smoldering mold coming from
the Manhattan side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And that story took off. I remember hearing that story.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes. Yes. And then all of a sudden he was
being pressured, well... What evidence do you have of that?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Where did you see that video? And now he was hummata, hummata, hummata.
So what did he do? He took from a documentary
that was done by MTV, which I participated with, and
it was a piece in which I was talking about
how 12 teenagers in Patterson, New Jersey, had walked up
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the steps of the public library on South Main Street,
They saw the plume in the distance that collapsed at
the First World Trade Center, and they were hitting on
the banister with sticks and what appeared to be celebrating that.
The elders came out and dragged them in the house
and did not celebrate what the young people were doing,
(23:09):
disciplining them severely, corporal punishment, on the way back to
their homes. So what Donald Trump did was he took
what I said on that MTV documentary about truncated it,
and then praised me and said, well, all you have
to do is listen to Curtis Sliver because he told
the story the way I told the story. Except later on,
(23:30):
MTV released the full tape, which clearly was completely different
than what Donald Trump was talking about. He was talking
about Arabian people, Arab people, Palestinian people celebrating the implosion
of the World Trade Center after it was attacked. Mm-hmm.
That never happened. And where it did happen, in a
(23:51):
minimal way, 12 teenagers, they were severely disciplined by their
elders on South Main Street. That's called Little Palestine. There's
a lot of Christian Arabs. There's a lot of Muslim Arabs.
That community has been thriving for years. And so what
he did was he disparaged the whole people. And then
when he was confronted, I decided, you know, this guy
(24:13):
wants to run for president. This was in 2015. So
I said, why don't we have a hummus summit? At
Al Basha, right on South Main Street. This is the
biggest hummus restaurant. On me. I'm paying the bill. So
I invited Donald Trump or his staff members. And guess what?
I was there, me, myself, and I, members of the community.
(24:37):
We discussed what had transpired. Most people remember what had
happened the way I had described it. Because the way
I knew what had happened, I was on the radio
with Ron Kuby at WABC. We were the morning team.
When the towers came down, it was nonstop. We were broadcasting.
When the towers came down, there was no TV coverage.
(24:57):
All the TV towers came down. People were dependent on
the radio. So we had people calling from all throughout
the tri-state, including Passaic and Patterson, where they were describing
what they would see. You know, these 12 teenagers celebrating
on the steps of the public library and then the
elders coming back, hitting them, dragging them into the homes.
That's what I allowed them to describe. And then we
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got verification from others who were there, non-Arabic, Arabic itself.
And man, the president at that time, Citizen Trump, pimped
my ride. And we have been at odds ever since
because he felt that I had embarrassed him by telling
the truth and not allowing him all of a sudden
to hide behind what I had said. But this is
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how this guy operates.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's not a big fan of the truth. He and
the truth don't dance well together.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
No, and he's not a big fan of Curtis Sliwa,
as you know. Even though I was a Republican, ran
for mayor in 2021 against Eric Adams. Swagger man with
no plan, I warned you, he'd be corrupt, right? And
then again in 2025, Cuomo, evil eyes, Zoran Mandami and
Curtis Sliwa. Trump was never a fan of mine, went
out of his way to disparage me, even though I
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was the only Republican running. But that's okay. Because I
don't live in the world of Donald Trump. I don't
buck and bow and nod my head. I'm not MAGA,
like a lot of Republicans, unfortunately, who feel that they
have to nod to whatever Donald Trump says. Oh, what
is that? Lake of Ontario? Oh, Lake of America. Gulf
(26:28):
of Mexico? Oh, Gulf of America. New Mexico? Oh, New America.
This is nonsense.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
This guy is nuts. And yet there are people, if
you weren't president, who would say, you really believe that?
Have you gone for a psychiatric observation? Can you can
you at all be serious in these tough trying times
where you got us into a war? Bibi Netanyahu's war
in Iran. You can't get us out of it now.
(26:54):
What a mess. And now you're making up stuff along
the way. The other day he was tweeting out 40 tweets.
40 tweets, the likes of which you looked at and say,
you can't be for real.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Are you talking about the AI generated images of him
as Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
As him in front of new America?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Everything. New America. I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If this was like anyone's old pop pop, right? Like
somebody's grandpa, you would send in the welfare people to just.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do a check.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So is he OK?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
A wellness check.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
A wellness check.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
To see if he's OK. But he's the president. So
he gets to not have those same checks.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And not only that, he's got quite a following. So
they'll accept anything that comes from the most recent adaptation.
The other day at the White House, he did a
very good thing. He honored some of the families and
the surviving members of those who perished in 9-11. And
they brought some of the iron beams that were left
from the structure. And he's honoring the families. And he
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said the bandana, the guy who wore the red bandana,
who was one of those who had sacrificed his life.
Then all of a sudden, he decides to insert himself
in this situation. You never heard this story before. But
he and his crew of 100 workers went down to
the pit in 9-11, and they were getting involved. One
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of the buildings that— because back then— any of the buildings
were in danger of falling. You couldn't use any jackhammers.
You couldn't use any electrical equipment. That's why you had
the bucket brigade, of which I and Guardian Angels volunteered
to be on from time to time to give the
police officers, firefighters, and others an opportunity to get some
relaxation so they could go home, shower, and then come back.
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It was endless, 24-7. He claimed he went down there
with about 100 of his workers. Nobody ever saw him.
You're not going to miss Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And we had not heard this story previously. This is
a new story.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, he implied it, but now he embellished it. And
now he was in the pile, and two bulky firefighters
picked him up, put them right out of the pile,
dragged him away, and then they started running as if
running for his life. And I'm saying to myself— Man,
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you are one hell of a storyteller. And there are
a mag of people who say, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
And I say, do you have proof, Mr. President? Is
there anyone still alive of which there are many people
from that time still alive who remember you being there?
Maybe you went down as an observer. But nobody saw
you in that capacity. But he has no problems telling
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that story and looking at the camera and making it
appear as if it's real. But every time he speaks now,
I'm a doubting Thomas. I don't believe anything he says
about the war in Iran. I don't believe anything he says.
about the price of gasoline, the price of diesel, the
price of electricity, the price of bread and eggs and
other products that we survive on. And his constant spin.
(29:51):
It's like, give me a break, Mr. President. You know,
there should be transparency. And you've messed up quite a
bit to get us in the mess that we're in now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's the messings of a madman.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, you're taking advantage. Yeah, you're taking advantage of this
very solemn occasion. And he's not the only politician to
do that. Sure. You notice all we've heard from so
far are politicians. Have we really heard from family members
or others who are still suffering from the illnesses that
they were inflicted with because of the toxins in the air?
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A little bit. But this is their day. And the politicians,
like they always do, Gandhi, they hijack the situation and
make it their event, especially Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
What an appropriate word to use.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
The appropriate words are to shut your mouth like every
politician who shows up at the commemoration of 9-11. None
of them get to speak. And just listen to the
family members as they talk of the names of those
who perished. And if they choose to get into a
conversation with you, then converse with them. But other than that,
this is not your day, politicians. You are there, Democrats
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and Republicans, to pay your respects. But that's not what
it's become. They've hijacked it. They really have.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So you can say anything you want right now to
the people that are important to you, most important to
you on this day.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
What is it that you want to say to them?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
He said, we have to start teaching our young people
in the schools what happened on 9-11. I was taught
growing up what happened at Pearl Harbor, the attack by
the Japanese that got us involved in World War II.
And by the way, five days after the attack of
Pearl Harbor by the Japanese, we declared war on Japan.
Who declared war on us? Adolf Hitler. That's right, the Nazis.
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So that was all part of the plan between Germany
and Japan, right? And then we suffered a lot of setbacks.
It was a very difficult time, but eventually America and
our allies persevered. But I was taught that in school
on a regular basis. We're not teaching about 9-11. Now,
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the older you get, you can learn about different aspects.
Right now, you have some who are saying, well, what
did we do in our past to get this kind
of an attack on American soil? I have no problems
having that kind of discussion. It could be a quiet discussion.
(32:21):
It could be an adversarial discussion. But that's what I
believe in, debate, discussion. But we're at the point now
where a whole new generation of Gen Zers. I was
just at the University of Pennsylvania speaking on Friday. All
of them acknowledged that they had been taught little, if anything,
about the attack on 9-11. How could you not teach
that in schools, public or private or parochial schools? 25
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years and they're not teaching that. If not, at least
on the day in question of 9-11.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So your message to the people that are important to
you on this day is that you're thinking of them
and you want them, you want people to learn about
what happened. That's the most important message to you.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Learn your history. Learn about people all over the world.
Don't always be thinking in an American-centric way. We're part
of a global community. This is not America first. I
know a lot of people like to say America first,
America first. America has done a lot of great things,
but America has done a lot of bad things. And
you need to know both stories to fully understand our history.
(33:26):
and why some other people sometimes are angry at us
sometimes rightfully so sometimes wrongfully so but let's not be
afraid of having a discussion it's tough to do that
in elementary school or junior high school start getting to
high school college there's no reason why we can't have
these discussions why are people mad at us why would
people do this what were they thinking They were Saudis,
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most of them, who hijacked the planes and crashed them
into the buildings in the Pentagon in western Pennsylvania. Why
were they involved in this? I thought Saudi Arabia was
our allies.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And then we invaded Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden was
found in Pakistan.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
A lot of strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Amongst the generals that we were supporting.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Lots of strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And then remember, there was Bush 43 who was in
charge at the attack of 9-11 with Cheney, the vice president,
who convinced America that we needed to invade Iraq to
look for weapons of mass destruction and take out Saddam Hussein.
We're still looking for the weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
A lot of really weird stuff. And you say you
are OK with adversarial conversations. Just conversations need to be had.
So I'm going to change the subject quickly because we
have to end.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And I want to end on a lighter note. I
am cross with you. About something.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You are cheating on Diamond and I with another podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
What do you mean, what?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I have a gumata on the side? Yeah, it seems
like it. A podcasting gumata?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Diamond, you saw this, correct?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're acting like you don't know about the footage that
you sent us on someone else's podcast, and then you
said we need to get it together because someone else
is coming in to.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Take our goods?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well, let me just say I am a commodity in
demand now. Normally, I have been treated in my lifetime
as a person of no consequence. As a homeless person
in the subways or in the streets. And now apparently
after you have elevated me, Gandhi and Diamond. That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Don't forget where you started.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Sauce on the side. And now a new generation has
discovered me and they can't get enough of me.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And you're just going out and giving it to everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Well, let's just say I can't say no. Like Nancy
Reagan say, just say no. How do I say no
to all these people? When they say, I saw you.
I saw you with Gandhi and Diamond. I saw you
with sauce on the side. And they stroke me and
they glaze me. And what am I supposed to say?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Roll over and you give it up to these random people.
You're cheating on us.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I don't like it. I don't know how Diamond feels
about it.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, you feel violated? You feel like this spirit of
cooperation and unification between AM and FM has been violated
here as part of the iHeartNation? Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
That is how I feel.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know what they say in the streets, Gandhi and Diamond? What?
Tough noogies. Tough noogies. You know what that means? I'm
a free agent. I'm free to speak my mind. For years,
I was feeding the pigeons in the park and talking
into a Dixie cup, and nobody paid no attention to me.
(36:31):
And now, all of a sudden, they're paying attention to me,
and you're jealous. Yeah. The both of you are jealous
because other people are partaking of Sliwanics, a language of spoonerisms, malaprops,
and fractured phrases that you first brought to a new generation,
and now others are pimping your ride.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
We loved you. Before they did, we did.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And you don't even care. And you turn your back
on us, and then you taunt us about it. Don't
think I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
No. I did. It's because I've gotten full of myself,
like many people do. You've certainly worked with enough people
in your lifetime, Gandhi and Diamond, who all of a sudden,
they were nothing. They were poo-pots. And then all of
a sudden, there's something in... Then all of a sudden, Gandhi, Diamond,
who's that? I will never forget both of you, but
I will also hold this over your head like a
(37:23):
Damocles sword. You promised me you would get me into
Dancing with the Stars, season 35, and you never even
lifted your pinky to try.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is this your justification for cheating on us with another podcast?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I do not accept.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, no. Many people have accused me of cheating before.
You're just one of many stars. This is a pattern.
Learn to live with it, Gandhi and Diamond.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Is that what you said? This could be my last
broadcast tomorrow. It could be ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
And you'll have the last interview. And oh, my God,
it'll blow up. It'll go viral all over the world.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
All right. Last thing, then.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Will you do your dance one more time so we
can capture it for the cameras? And start your audition
process for Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, now you're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Fine. We have it from the beginning of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We'll just do it again. No, no. Because you've dissed
and dismissed me.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You're the cheater.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Maybe I'll send you footage from the Caribbean West Indian
Day Parade. Boomba, you know, dancehall reggae, shots in the
air like I just don't care. Bang, bang, bang, bang, pop, pop, pop, pop. Bang, bang.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Did you see Beanie Man there?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Did you see Beanie Man there?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
No. Where I was, Beanie Man would not go. And
at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, it was flags up.
You know what flags up mean? The generals say flags up.
And then they start tearing through the streets. No politicians
are around. The older people are at home and away.
And Curtis Leroy gets to play. Oh, good God.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Diamond, do you have anything that you feel like you
want to say?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
By the way, would you advise me, because oftentimes at
the West Indian Caribbean Day Parade, I have stopped these
young men with high levels of testosterone from trying to
dagger the young ladies. Should I, in the future, attempt
to stop them no from fornicating and copulating out in
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the streets.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Having a good time it's it's a dance that they're.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
All into only if the woman is a willing participant.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Right i think the caribbean women have no problem saying
get the hell off me.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's true And oftentimes that starts them swinging and winging. Hey, TNT. Hey,
I'm Bob Aiden. Oh, my God. Feet don't fail me now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Why do you even go then?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I love it. Okay. Because people say, hey, you want
some jerk pork? You want some jerk chicken? Hey, look,
it's jerk sliwa.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And they got that Red Stripe beer, and they're smoking
those spliffs and going puff, puff, pass. And I get
high on secondary smoke, right? And then you see the
young men out there with their Jiffy Pop hats. Haile
Selassie is their god, right?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Rasta!
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Rasta, man! You blood clod! Boomba blood clod! You're a
yucky man. You're a rude boy. What do they mean
by all of that? Is that a salutary greeting?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You said a lot of different things. I think they
mean a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I have a feeling that Diamond is well aware of
that verbiage and refuses to translate it for this Caucasian persuasion.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
All right, Curtis. People want to find you online. Where
are they going to do that?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Everything with Curtis. You know, I'm the Luddite, so.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I am convinced one day you're going to get this right.
It is at Curtis Sliwa for mayor on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh, that's right. I'm running in 2029. Let's not forget that. Right.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
That's right. You're running again. Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I mean, I guess you have a radio program
as well, but we don't like to send people in
your direction because you're in direct competition.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
With us at the same time.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But you are on WLR, whites only radio in the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't think I'm in competition with you. Fair enough.
I wish we were. I wish we had your demos.
I wish we had your advertising. I wish, I wish,
I wish. By the way, how's Elvis doing? Elvis Duran.
He's great. My enemy of all enemies.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I thought you just said you weren't in competition with us.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Oh, by the way, I saw him the other day.
It was Elvis. It was his husband. They had two
friends in from out of town. Yeah. I had just
come from Central Park with the horses. And he was
taking them around the iHeart Studios. And I said, Elvis.
And he walked right past me.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
He told me you guys had a conversation.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, what was it? Hush, hush, mush, mush. I didn't know.
I didn't ask. What was he, sharing my conversations now, too?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
That's right. I caught you. I caught you. You guys talked.
I knew it. Because I got an update that he
ran into you that day.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Damn it. You co-busted me, Gandhi and Diamond.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You really can't trust a politician, can you?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They lie about everything. All right, Curtis, thank you for
joining us today on September 11th.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Very, very solemn occasion. A commemoration except the politicians hijacked it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Absolutely.
We are addressing the mess with Curtis Saliwa. Curtis, hello.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I don't know if it should be a hello. I
just saw the news the other day. 35th season of
Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You're upset, yes.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And you, Gandhi, and you, Diamond, sold me wolf tickets.
It is National Wolf Day, you know, National Wolf Day. And, hey,
Donald Trump, leave the wolves alone, the wild wolves in
Jellystone National Park, Yellowstone National Park. But you said. The
both of you would work together diligently to try to
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find a way to get me on Dancing with the Stars.
We did. And you did Jack Diddley, Squaw, Zilch, Bupkis, Nadia, Ugat.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You are right and you are wrong about your beef here.
So we said we were going to try to get
you on Dancing with the Stars. However, we asked you
to show us video of you dancing or to just
dance here in the studio and you didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So what are we supposed to submit?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Excuse me. That's set the record straight. This program is
called Address the Mess.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yes, look, with G-D-S.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What does that mean? You came up with it.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well, you know, I'm getting a little older. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Diamond.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes. Sliwa. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That was your idea.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, it was. Boy, do I get residuals on that?
I mean, my idea, huh?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is there a trademark? Is there a copyright on that?
Or is this a product of the iHeart empire?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, I want you to pay attention to one thing.
So a dress, the mess is really big, right?
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And it's also on the side. It's big. And then
with GDS, it's real tiny.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I thought that was GPS. But anyway. Let me just
make mention that you had all the video you needed,
the collaboration of all the FM stations here of iHeart
that had me dancing on the Gay Pride float from
the beginning of the parade to the end of the parade.
(02:02):
I stole the show like a whirling dervish. You had
more than enough footage. No, we didn't. Just admit it.
I was a person of no consequence to the both
of you. You sold me wolf tickets and you left
me hanging.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I guess in some ways we did leave you hanging
because we did not chase you down and ask you
to give us better dancing footage of you. But we
did ask you while you were in here to dance
for us so that we could submit that. And you
have to talk to the camera and say, hey, casting director,
is it Dancing with the Stars ABC?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
This is why I would be great. Does this mean
ABC always broadcasting Curtis the next year? Oh, my God.
Same time, same place. For season number 36, if there
is a season 36, you will have done due diligence. Yes.
And the both of you would have buttressed all the
information you need to get me qualified. Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You have to participate in this, though.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Well, you do understand that it appears that everybody that
they have competing now, most of whom I can't even recognize.
I can't even pronounce their names. Most of them are
like from East Europe, Russia, Ukraine. I thought they were
in war.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Those are all the pros.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh, close. And what am I, an amateur? What am I,
an amateur?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, so there are the stars and then there are
the professional dancers.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh. Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You've got to know the show if you're going to
go on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
No, no, I consider myself a professional dancer extraordinaire.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
It's going to be hard for you to get on
the show then.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
So both of you have homework. Both of you are
acting like a politician. You're making a lot of promises
and you're delivering nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
You didn't give us a tape of you dancing.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
There are so many tapes of me dancing. Oh, my God.
You didn't even do a deep dive. You didn't even
use your AI, actual intelligence. You probably used artificial intelligence, Google,
and you didn't come up with anything.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
We didn't use anything.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We asked you to cut a rug in here so
that our videographer could catch you dancing.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And you didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And then now you're mad that you're not on Dancing
with the Stars, which I got to say, looking at
the lineup of the people on Dancing with the Stars...
I think you're better than all of them.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You're damn right.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I think you're too big for the show.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It would have been no comp. It would have been
me number one, second to none. So you both should
be apologizing to me on Ben Didney.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, that won't happen. But I think you know how
the voting works, right?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
No. Oh, Curtis.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, you want to just go on the show? You
don't know anything about the show.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Excuse me. You think I'm watching Dancing with the Stars?
You think I'm a devotee of that program, which is
about geriatric, espresso-sipping dancers of a previous era? Come on.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
They have young people on the show.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Often. What do they consider young? 55 plus?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
No, they have some young people on the show. I
think the audience is probably 55 plus. But the issue
with the voting is it's not just based on how
good you are as a dancer, which I'm sure you're incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I saw you dropping it like it was hot.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Don't be glazing me, Gandhi. I'm not. I'm sure you're
an amazing dancer.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But it also has to do with popularity.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So how are you going to campaign to make people
love you while you're.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
On the show?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bribe them. This is the American tradition. What do you
mean popularity? You bribe them. That'll make you very popular
if you put scat all in their pockets. Dead American
presidents in their pockets. Watch how quickly they'll convert to saying, oh, Curtis,
he's the best, not like the rest.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, you got a lot of good ideas here, Curtis.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You're going to get on Dancing with the Stars and
you're going to bribe the American television audience.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's not even on TV anymore, is it?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
It's back on TV because it was only streaming for
a minute.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Excuse me. Isn't that what American business does? Isn't that
what American politics does? Isn't it just one big bowl
of who can bribe more than the other? Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I think you can do this.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
You have homework.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You have to participate in this project.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I definitely will.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And when you get on the show, because I have
faith that you're going to get on the show, even though,
you know, they're trying to steer clear of all things
politics now.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did you hear that? Because when Sean, was it Sean
Spicer who was on?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It caused a stink. Tom Bergeron left. Oh, please.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
He was the worst.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
He was the worst.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Tucker Carlson was on, right? He was the worst. How
about if I just get out on the dance floor
and I do my robot, huh? Curtis. How about that? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Soul Train.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Don Cornelius. Curtis Lee would do it. The robot.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I can't focus when you're doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did you see? I bet you didn't. You don't watch
a lot of TV, right?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Do you watch a lot of TV?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
No. My wife, Nancy, cut the cord. You know, millennials,
they cut the cord. Gen Zers, they cut the cord.
So naturally, I'm a victim of that cutting the cord.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Do you remember the Australian breakdancer who made it to
the Olympics and was horrific?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
There's a really good documentary right now on Netflix about it.
And that move that you just did reminded me of
something that she incorporated into it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You have that DW40 oil. I'm feeling like a little
squeaky here.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I really hope my laughing didn't drown it out because
all our listeners are going to be able to hear
is your jacket.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Wishing past the microphone.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, look, I think since we are moving into the
world of AI, artificial intelligence, with all these robots coming
out of Red China, I should compete against the Red
Chinese robots to see who can do a better robot.
Let me loosen up here. DW40. You know, this is
like the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz. Okay.
(07:48):
Gotta give me a little lubrication here.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Stretch it out.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Can I kick you some knowledge? I have knowledge.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Let's talk about New York City and you, because today,
the day that this episode comes out, is the 25th
anniversary of 9-11. A lot of stuff has been being
talked about around the city as far as 9-11 goes,
who was at ground zero, who was not, and whether
or not certain people should be allowed to attend 9-11
ceremonies today. And I do want to hear from you
(08:19):
on that because I know you've had beef with Donald
Trump about his recollection of 9-11 for quite some time.
And very recently he was speaking and he's going to
try and say that he misspoke and that we understood
it incorrectly. But he told a story that made it
sound like he was at ground zero and firefighters had
(08:40):
to rescue him. He actually said that. They picked me
up and they carried me away and I'm a big guy.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I wanted to run.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But....
Speaker 1 (08:48):
They carried him away. What say you about that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Donald Trump always injects himself into every aspect of history.
He's like Forrest Gump. When you saw the movie Forrest Gump,
you notice how Forrest Gump injected himself into almost every
aspect of history?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
He was everywhere, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
That is Donald Trump. He is the Forrest Gump of
our lifetime. intellectually, intellectually, he's a dollar short and a
day late. But remember, it's the world. It's the world
of Donald Trump. It's his world. Nobody else's world. And
you better go along with whatever he whips up. So
let's start first with the 25th anniversary, which is today. Yeah.
(09:32):
A very solemn occasion. And the politicians hijacked it from
day one. All of a sudden, people were saying, this
person should show up. No, this person shouldn't show up. No,
this person shouldn't be there. The president of the United States,
(09:53):
the most important person, right, decided he didn't want to
be here because he couldn't give a speech. So he's
going to be at the Pentagon to honor the dead
who unfortunately was sacrificed on that day. Okay, you don't
want to be in New York City. But then all
of a sudden there was this groundswell that John Mondami,
duly elected mayor, fair and square, should not be at
(10:17):
the commemoration. Right. And I very respectfully said, because obviously
this was the sentiment of some of the family members,
that look, he is the mayor. He should be there. Mm-hmm.
It appears that if you're asking him not to be there,
this is the first Muslim mayor of New York City.
(10:37):
What kind of a message does that send? Regardless of
the fact of who he's associated with, whatever Hassan Piker
has said about 9-11, America basically deserved it, although he
amended that later. No, he's the mayor. You asked him?
(10:59):
You brought a petition to him. Please don't come. And
he said, no, as mayor, I will be there. As
far as I'm concerned, he handled it appropriately. If the
families were that upset, they could turn their back on
him at the commemoration. I would suggest that they not.
All the politicians are going to sit there or stand
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and very quietly observe the family members as they announce
the names of of the family members who died on
that day. That's what the commemoration is about. You would
not know that with the big lead-up and build-up. He
shouldn't be there. He should be there. The mayor very
respectfully said, I'm going to be there. I represent all
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the people of New York City. Hey, if you're upset,
mobilize and organize so the next election, 2029, maybe he
won't be the mayor any longer, but for right now,
You're taking away from the commemoration. Right. And then everything else.
Now we have a report that was released, 170,000 pages.
(12:05):
68 boxes were finally found in the Department of Environmental Protection.
Rudy didn't know where the boxes were when he was mayor.
Bloomberg didn't know where the boxes were. de Blasio, well,
I understand that. He was always in a drug-induced psychosis,
smoking Maui Waui and Hindu Kush. And Eric Atkins. Oh, yeah,
and Eric Adams' administration didn't know, but he was just
(12:26):
incompetent on everything. But Zoran Mandami's administration found the 68 boxes,
and they released it the other day. And boy— What
did they find?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Tell us what they found.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They found toxins were in the air, especially asbestos, for many,
many weeks, and nobody was warned about it. People were encouraged.
To go into the pile, to continue to try to
rescue any folks who might still be alive or at
least the remnants of them, even if it got down
to the DNA. People were encouraged to come back and
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live in the homestead, go to school there, work there.
And all of it endangered them. And now we see
that more people have died of 9-11 related illnesses than
the 3,000 who perished on that day. Shame. on Rudy Giuliani,
Michael Bloomberg, Bill de Blasio, and Eric Adams. And we
have to give credit to Zohra Mandami. It's his administration
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that not only found the cachet of these notes, but
the notes implicate the government as not protecting the people
at all.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And on both sides.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's not a one-sided thing. Both sides of the party
lines were complicit.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Well, it started with the EPA chieftess for Bush 43
at the time, Christine Whitman, who had previously been governor
of New Jersey, she said, oh, the EPA, the federal
EPA did tests. The air is clean. There are no toxins.
There's no asbestos. There's no problems. You can go back
into the area. Yeah. And people did. And they trusted
(13:55):
the government. That's why I never trust the government, no
matter who's in charge.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But you want to be in charge and you want
to be part of it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Understood, but always question authority. It didn't make sense. I mean,
I was down there as much as almost anybody. You
could smell death in the air for more than a year.
It was the world's largest crematorium. And you could smell
all these chemicals and toxins. I may not have known
what they were, but you could tell that that was
(14:23):
a danger zone. And now look at all the people
who suffered as a result. Absolutely. People need to go
to jail because of this report. There needs to be
a committee, full-scale investigation, whether you're a friend or foe.
If you didn't do your fiduciary responsibility to protect people
and you put window shades on your eyes, cotton balls
(14:44):
in your ears, and a zipper on your mouth, you
should go to jail. Now, that may include Rudy and
members of his administration, Michael Bloomberg and his administration, Bill
de Blasio or Eric Adams. And for all the critics
of Zohar Mandami, his is the administration that has finally
released the report so that we could all see it
for ourselves. And people are in a rage.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And they're taking this, what should be very unifying day
and moment and memorial and ceremony and using it to
further divide, which is all part of the overall agenda.
But it's very sad to say somebody who wants to
show up and be part of this, who is the
mayor of New York City, is now banned. It actually
gives me like little flashbacks to 9-11 because we've talked
(15:29):
about this.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
On the show.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
So many people will say that day. America on that day,
the day after as well, everybody was united. That was
the time that everybody came together and we were one.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There was no race. Everybody was the same. To which
I say, I disagree.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Do not feel the same looking the way that I
do after 9-11. I didn't feel that we were all
one because I was very sad about what happened.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It was awful. I live here. I'm an American citizen.
That was horrible. But because I look the way I look.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And because I'm Indian and people confuse everything, we were
enemy number one. Everybody turned on us in a horrible way.
And now seeing people turn on him for reasons just
like this. It's sad and I hate it and I
want him to show up and I want everybody to
just deal with it as a team and be united
on this one front one time.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, you know, part of the problem is I have
three sons, all of whom have gone to public school
at one point or another. I've asked all of them,
do you discuss what happened on 9-11 in the classroom? No, daddy.
Why not? They don't want people's feelings to be hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Feelings to be hurt. So imagine in most of these schools,
whether they're parochial or they're public, they're not even discussing 9-11,
not even on the day of the commemoration where everybody
goes to school. It's not a federal or national holiday.
You're not all from school. You would think that one day,
if no other day, you would take it to discuss it.
They're not doing it. You have a great museum and
(16:58):
a commemorative area there, right where the World Trade Center
site was. They should be taking tours of that. They
should be taking their field trips and go see what
it looked like, what it looks like now, the history
of it. We're not doing that for our children or grandchildren.
Shame on us. So I've gone through three phases. First,
(17:20):
after the attack of 9-11, the 9-11 truthers emerged. There
was Rosie O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen, and others who actually believed
that that was all a setup. that the implosions of
the World Trade Center site were done on purpose by
the Bush administration to get us into a foreign war. Now,
(17:42):
it didn't matter how often I argued that that was
not the case. It didn't matter. These 9-11 truthists believed it.
And then for a long time, why did the Bush
family hire charter jets to get the remnants of Osama
bin Laden's family, who were involved in construction and other Saudis,
out of here when there were no flights flying? Right.
We've never had answers to those questions.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
There's a lot of things we haven't had answers to,
especially the fact that we were warned by seven different
countries of when it was coming, how it was going
to happen and exactly what the plan was. And then
we acted like we had no idea. Oh, my gosh,
I'm so shocked that this happened. We knew that it
was coming. I would say at the very least.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Both Clinton and Bush 43 were asleep at the wheel.
We had tapes of conversations that were describing the plot.
That none of our national intelligence agencies ever listened to
and then translated from Arabic to English so that everybody
would know what was taking place. Shame on us. But
now we're 25 years later. And I got to tell you,
(18:40):
the focus is not on the surviving family members, even
those who perished. I mean, I was on the commemorative
walk with the Guardian Angels as we are each year,
which is a nonpolitical event which starts right by Madison
Square Garden, stops at all the firehouses on the way down.
We pay respects. to firefighters and others with their families
and friends. There's no discussion of politics, but everything thereafter
(19:04):
is political. And shame on us for politicizing this holiday
so that people are hating one another instead of coming together,
as we should have come together as a nation, both
after the attack And every year thereafter, it's getting increasingly
more difficult and more polarized as part of the political process.
(19:25):
And clearly, the president, Donald Trump, has contributed to that.
Of course. From day one. Of course.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
25 years later, do you believe the story is as
we've been told as far as what happened?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
In reference to President Donald Trump's imagination in terms of
his involvement?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
No, in reference to what happened on 9-11 and who
was responsible for it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
To me, it's very clear. Osama bin Laden. Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed was the mastermind, sold him on the idea. of
taking hijacking planes and crashing them into buildings. They tried
it in 93 with a rider truck packed with explosives.
That was Ramzi Youssef. He eventually escaped to the Philippines.
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He happened to be the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,
who then sold the idea to Osama bin Laden in
the hills of Afghanistan. So we had every opportunity to
To know what was coming down the pipe and we
chose to do nothing and we got hit hard. Did
we learn from that experience? I'm not necessarily sure because
(20:34):
all it's done is create a lot of divisiveness on this,
the 25th anniversary. A lot of hate instead of unification.
And I'll never forget the break that I had with
Donald Trump was over his so-called observations of what was
transpiring today. On the day of the actual attack. Right.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Where they were saying that there was video of people,
Arabs specifically, cheering. And we have found out later that
that's actually not true at all. That is not what happened.
And that's not the group that people saw cheering. And
before I really divide people further, I think it's just,
it's facts, right?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
We're not skewing things.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
We're not doing it for any type of gain or
anything besides just, hey, what actually happened? Let's talk about
the truth about what happened. And you've had beef with
Donald Trump about this for quite some time. Where do
you want to start? Do you want to start with
that part? Or do you want to start with his
freestyle story of where he was?
Speaker 2 (21:28):
No, the freestyle story we'll do at the end because
that's his most recent story. Okay. You know, where all
of a sudden he inserts himself into the 9-11 story.
So let's go back to the day of the attack. Yes.
He's at Trump Tower. He's doing radio TV interviews about
his building down on Wall Street is now the tallest
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in the area because the towers have been taken down.
I wouldn't have handled it that way.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
A little tacky.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But that wasn't the worst thing that could have happened.
The worst thing was that he claimed that thousands of
Arabic people were dancing in the streets of Jersey City
and celebrating once they saw the smoldering mold coming from
the Manhattan side.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And that story took off. I remember hearing that story.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes. Yes. And then all of a sudden he was
being pressured, well... What evidence do you have of that?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Where did you see that video? And now he was hummata, hummata, hummata.
So what did he do? He took from a documentary
that was done by MTV, which I participated with, and
it was a piece in which I was talking about
how 12 teenagers in Patterson, New Jersey, had walked up
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the steps of the public library on South Main Street,
They saw the plume in the distance that collapsed at
the First World Trade Center, and they were hitting on
the banister with sticks and what appeared to be celebrating that.
The elders came out and dragged them in the house
and did not celebrate what the young people were doing,
(23:09):
disciplining them severely, corporal punishment, on the way back to
their homes. So what Donald Trump did was he took
what I said on that MTV documentary about truncated it,
and then praised me and said, well, all you have
to do is listen to Curtis Sliver because he told
the story the way I told the story. Except later on,
(23:30):
MTV released the full tape, which clearly was completely different
than what Donald Trump was talking about. He was talking
about Arabian people, Arab people, Palestinian people celebrating the implosion
of the World Trade Center after it was attacked. Mm-hmm.
That never happened. And where it did happen, in a
(23:51):
minimal way, 12 teenagers, they were severely disciplined by their
elders on South Main Street. That's called Little Palestine. There's
a lot of Christian Arabs. There's a lot of Muslim Arabs.
That community has been thriving for years. And so what
he did was he disparaged the whole people. And then
when he was confronted, I decided, you know, this guy
(24:13):
wants to run for president. This was in 2015. So
I said, why don't we have a hummus summit? At
Al Basha, right on South Main Street. This is the
biggest hummus restaurant. On me. I'm paying the bill. So
I invited Donald Trump or his staff members. And guess what?
I was there, me, myself, and I, members of the community.
(24:37):
We discussed what had transpired. Most people remember what had
happened the way I had described it. Because the way
I knew what had happened, I was on the radio
with Ron Kuby at WABC. We were the morning team.
When the towers came down, it was nonstop. We were broadcasting.
When the towers came down, there was no TV coverage.
(24:57):
All the TV towers came down. People were dependent on
the radio. So we had people calling from all throughout
the tri-state, including Passaic and Patterson, where they were describing
what they would see. You know, these 12 teenagers celebrating
on the steps of the public library and then the
elders coming back, hitting them, dragging them into the homes.
That's what I allowed them to describe. And then we
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got verification from others who were there, non-Arabic, Arabic itself.
And man, the president at that time, Citizen Trump, pimped
my ride. And we have been at odds ever since
because he felt that I had embarrassed him by telling
the truth and not allowing him all of a sudden
to hide behind what I had said. But this is
(25:42):
how this guy operates.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
He's not a big fan of the truth. He and
the truth don't dance well together.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
No, and he's not a big fan of Curtis Sliwa,
as you know. Even though I was a Republican, ran
for mayor in 2021 against Eric Adams. Swagger man with
no plan, I warned you, he'd be corrupt, right? And
then again in 2025, Cuomo, evil eyes, Zoran Mandami and
Curtis Sliwa. Trump was never a fan of mine, went
out of his way to disparage me, even though I
(26:08):
was the only Republican running. But that's okay. Because I
don't live in the world of Donald Trump. I don't
buck and bow and nod my head. I'm not MAGA,
like a lot of Republicans, unfortunately, who feel that they
have to nod to whatever Donald Trump says. Oh, what
is that? Lake of Ontario? Oh, Lake of America. Gulf
(26:28):
of Mexico? Oh, Gulf of America. New Mexico? Oh, New America.
This is nonsense.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
This guy is nuts. And yet there are people, if
you weren't president, who would say, you really believe that?
Have you gone for a psychiatric observation? Can you can
you at all be serious in these tough trying times
where you got us into a war? Bibi Netanyahu's war
in Iran. You can't get us out of it now.
(26:54):
What a mess. And now you're making up stuff along
the way. The other day he was tweeting out 40 tweets.
40 tweets, the likes of which you looked at and say,
you can't be for real.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Are you talking about the AI generated images of him
as Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Everything.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
As him in front of new America?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Everything. New America. I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
If this was like anyone's old pop pop, right? Like
somebody's grandpa, you would send in the welfare people to just.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Do a check.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So is he OK?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
A wellness check.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
A wellness check.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
To see if he's OK. But he's the president. So
he gets to not have those same checks.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And not only that, he's got quite a following. So
they'll accept anything that comes from the most recent adaptation.
The other day at the White House, he did a
very good thing. He honored some of the families and
the surviving members of those who perished in 9-11. And
they brought some of the iron beams that were left
from the structure. And he's honoring the families. And he
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said the bandana, the guy who wore the red bandana,
who was one of those who had sacrificed his life.
Then all of a sudden, he decides to insert himself
in this situation. You never heard this story before. But
he and his crew of 100 workers went down to
the pit in 9-11, and they were getting involved. One
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of the buildings that— because back then— any of the buildings
were in danger of falling. You couldn't use any jackhammers.
You couldn't use any electrical equipment. That's why you had
the bucket brigade, of which I and Guardian Angels volunteered
to be on from time to time to give the
police officers, firefighters, and others an opportunity to get some
relaxation so they could go home, shower, and then come back.
(28:33):
It was endless, 24-7. He claimed he went down there
with about 100 of his workers. Nobody ever saw him.
You're not going to miss Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
And we had not heard this story previously. This is
a new story.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, he implied it, but now he embellished it. And
now he was in the pile, and two bulky firefighters
picked him up, put them right out of the pile,
dragged him away, and then they started running as if
running for his life. And I'm saying to myself— Man,
(29:05):
you are one hell of a storyteller. And there are
a mag of people who say, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.
And I say, do you have proof, Mr. President? Is
there anyone still alive of which there are many people
from that time still alive who remember you being there?
Maybe you went down as an observer. But nobody saw
you in that capacity. But he has no problems telling
(29:26):
that story and looking at the camera and making it
appear as if it's real. But every time he speaks now,
I'm a doubting Thomas. I don't believe anything he says
about the war in Iran. I don't believe anything he says.
about the price of gasoline, the price of diesel, the
price of electricity, the price of bread and eggs and
other products that we survive on. And his constant spin.
(29:51):
It's like, give me a break, Mr. President. You know,
there should be transparency. And you've messed up quite a
bit to get us in the mess that we're in now.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's the messings of a madman.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, you're taking advantage. Yeah, you're taking advantage of this
very solemn occasion. And he's not the only politician to
do that. Sure. You notice all we've heard from so
far are politicians. Have we really heard from family members
or others who are still suffering from the illnesses that
they were inflicted with because of the toxins in the air?
(30:23):
A little bit. But this is their day. And the politicians,
like they always do, Gandhi, they hijack the situation and
make it their event, especially Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
What an appropriate word to use.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
The appropriate words are to shut your mouth like every
politician who shows up at the commemoration of 9-11. None
of them get to speak. And just listen to the
family members as they talk of the names of those
who perished. And if they choose to get into a
conversation with you, then converse with them. But other than that,
this is not your day, politicians. You are there, Democrats
(31:03):
and Republicans, to pay your respects. But that's not what
it's become. They've hijacked it. They really have.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
So you can say anything you want right now to
the people that are important to you, most important to
you on this day.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
What is it that you want to say to them?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
He said, we have to start teaching our young people
in the schools what happened on 9-11. I was taught
growing up what happened at Pearl Harbor, the attack by
the Japanese that got us involved in World War II.
And by the way, five days after the attack of
Pearl Harbor by the Japanese, we declared war on Japan.
Who declared war on us? Adolf Hitler. That's right, the Nazis.
(31:40):
So that was all part of the plan between Germany
and Japan, right? And then we suffered a lot of setbacks.
It was a very difficult time, but eventually America and
our allies persevered. But I was taught that in school
on a regular basis. We're not teaching about 9-11. Now,
(32:00):
the older you get, you can learn about different aspects.
Right now, you have some who are saying, well, what
did we do in our past to get this kind
of an attack on American soil? I have no problems
having that kind of discussion. It could be a quiet discussion.
(32:21):
It could be an adversarial discussion. But that's what I
believe in, debate, discussion. But we're at the point now
where a whole new generation of Gen Zers. I was
just at the University of Pennsylvania speaking on Friday. All
of them acknowledged that they had been taught little, if anything,
about the attack on 9-11. How could you not teach
that in schools, public or private or parochial schools? 25
(32:45):
years and they're not teaching that. If not, at least
on the day in question of 9-11.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So your message to the people that are important to
you on this day is that you're thinking of them
and you want them, you want people to learn about
what happened. That's the most important message to you.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Learn your history. Learn about people all over the world.
Don't always be thinking in an American-centric way. We're part
of a global community. This is not America first. I
know a lot of people like to say America first,
America first. America has done a lot of great things,
but America has done a lot of bad things. And
you need to know both stories to fully understand our history.
(33:26):
and why some other people sometimes are angry at us
sometimes rightfully so sometimes wrongfully so but let's not be
afraid of having a discussion it's tough to do that
in elementary school or junior high school start getting to
high school college there's no reason why we can't have
these discussions why are people mad at us why would
people do this what were they thinking They were Saudis,
(33:50):
most of them, who hijacked the planes and crashed them
into the buildings in the Pentagon in western Pennsylvania. Why
were they involved in this? I thought Saudi Arabia was
our allies.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And then we invaded Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden was
found in Pakistan.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
A lot of strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Amongst the generals that we were supporting.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Lots of strange stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And then remember, there was Bush 43 who was in
charge at the attack of 9-11 with Cheney, the vice president,
who convinced America that we needed to invade Iraq to
look for weapons of mass destruction and take out Saddam Hussein.
We're still looking for the weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
A lot of really weird stuff. And you say you
are OK with adversarial conversations. Just conversations need to be had.
So I'm going to change the subject quickly because we
have to end.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
And I want to end on a lighter note. I
am cross with you. About something.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
You are cheating on Diamond and I with another podcast.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
What?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
What do you mean, what?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I have a gumata on the side? Yeah, it seems
like it. A podcasting gumata?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Diamond, you saw this, correct?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're acting like you don't know about the footage that
you sent us on someone else's podcast, and then you
said we need to get it together because someone else
is coming in to.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Take our goods?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well, let me just say I am a commodity in
demand now. Normally, I have been treated in my lifetime
as a person of no consequence. As a homeless person
in the subways or in the streets. And now apparently
after you have elevated me, Gandhi and Diamond. That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Don't forget where you started.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Sauce on the side. And now a new generation has
discovered me and they can't get enough of me.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
And you're just going out and giving it to everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Well, let's just say I can't say no. Like Nancy
Reagan say, just say no. How do I say no
to all these people? When they say, I saw you.
I saw you with Gandhi and Diamond. I saw you
with sauce on the side. And they stroke me and
they glaze me. And what am I supposed to say?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Roll over and you give it up to these random people.
You're cheating on us.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I don't like it. I don't know how Diamond feels
about it.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Oh, you feel violated? You feel like this spirit of
cooperation and unification between AM and FM has been violated
here as part of the iHeartNation? Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
That is how I feel.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know what they say in the streets, Gandhi and Diamond? What?
Tough noogies. Tough noogies. You know what that means? I'm
a free agent. I'm free to speak my mind. For years,
I was feeding the pigeons in the park and talking
into a Dixie cup, and nobody paid no attention to me.
(36:31):
And now, all of a sudden, they're paying attention to me,
and you're jealous. Yeah. The both of you are jealous
because other people are partaking of Sliwanics, a language of spoonerisms, malaprops,
and fractured phrases that you first brought to a new generation,
and now others are pimping your ride.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
We loved you. Before they did, we did.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And you don't even care. And you turn your back
on us, and then you taunt us about it. Don't
think I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
No. I did. It's because I've gotten full of myself,
like many people do. You've certainly worked with enough people
in your lifetime, Gandhi and Diamond, who all of a sudden,
they were nothing. They were poo-pots. And then all of
a sudden, there's something in... Then all of a sudden, Gandhi, Diamond,
who's that? I will never forget both of you, but
I will also hold this over your head like a
(37:23):
Damocles sword. You promised me you would get me into
Dancing with the Stars, season 35, and you never even
lifted your pinky to try.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Is this your justification for cheating on us with another podcast?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I do not accept.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
No, no. Many people have accused me of cheating before.
You're just one of many stars. This is a pattern.
Learn to live with it, Gandhi and Diamond.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Is that what you said? This could be my last
broadcast tomorrow. It could be ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
And you'll have the last interview. And oh, my God,
it'll blow up. It'll go viral all over the world.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
All right. Last thing, then.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Will you do your dance one more time so we
can capture it for the cameras? And start your audition
process for Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
No, no.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, now you're not going to do it.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Fine. We have it from the beginning of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We'll just do it again. No, no. Because you've dissed
and dismissed me.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
You're the cheater.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Maybe I'll send you footage from the Caribbean West Indian
Day Parade. Boomba, you know, dancehall reggae, shots in the
air like I just don't care. Bang, bang, bang, bang, pop, pop, pop, pop. Bang, bang.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Did you see Beanie Man there?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Did you see Beanie Man there?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
No. Where I was, Beanie Man would not go. And
at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, it was flags up.
You know what flags up mean? The generals say flags up.
And then they start tearing through the streets. No politicians
are around. The older people are at home and away.
And Curtis Leroy gets to play. Oh, good God.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Diamond, do you have anything that you feel like you
want to say?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
By the way, would you advise me, because oftentimes at
the West Indian Caribbean Day Parade, I have stopped these
young men with high levels of testosterone from trying to
dagger the young ladies. Should I, in the future, attempt
to stop them no from fornicating and copulating out in
(39:30):
the streets.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Having a good time it's it's a dance that they're.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
All into only if the woman is a willing participant.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Right i think the caribbean women have no problem saying
get the hell off me.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's true And oftentimes that starts them swinging and winging. Hey, TNT. Hey,
I'm Bob Aiden. Oh, my God. Feet don't fail me now.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Why do you even go then?
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I love it. Okay. Because people say, hey, you want
some jerk pork? You want some jerk chicken? Hey, look,
it's jerk sliwa.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I knew that was coming.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And they got that Red Stripe beer, and they're smoking
those spliffs and going puff, puff, pass. And I get
high on secondary smoke, right? And then you see the
young men out there with their Jiffy Pop hats. Haile
Selassie is their god, right?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Rasta!
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Rasta, man! You blood clod! Boomba blood clod! You're a
yucky man. You're a rude boy. What do they mean
by all of that? Is that a salutary greeting?
Speaker 1 (40:34):
You said a lot of different things. I think they
mean a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I have a feeling that Diamond is well aware of
that verbiage and refuses to translate it for this Caucasian persuasion.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
All right, Curtis. People want to find you online. Where
are they going to do that?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Everything with Curtis. You know, I'm the Luddite, so.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
I am convinced one day you're going to get this right.
It is at Curtis Sliwa for mayor on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Oh, that's right. I'm running in 2029. Let's not forget that. Right.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
That's right. You're running again. Can't wait.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I mean, I guess you have a radio program
as well, but we don't like to send people in
your direction because you're in direct competition.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
With us at the same time.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
But you are on WLR, whites only radio in the morning.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I don't think I'm in competition with you. Fair enough.
I wish we were. I wish we had your demos.
I wish we had your advertising. I wish, I wish,
I wish. By the way, how's Elvis doing? Elvis Duran.
He's great. My enemy of all enemies.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I thought you just said you weren't in competition with us.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Oh, by the way, I saw him the other day.
It was Elvis. It was his husband. They had two
friends in from out of town. Yeah. I had just
come from Central Park with the horses. And he was
taking them around the iHeart Studios. And I said, Elvis.
And he walked right past me.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
He told me you guys had a conversation.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, what was it? Hush, hush, mush, mush. I didn't know.
I didn't ask. What was he, sharing my conversations now, too?
Speaker 1 (42:04):
That's right. I caught you. I caught you. You guys talked.
I knew it. Because I got an update that he
ran into you that day.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Damn it. You co-busted me, Gandhi and Diamond.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
You really can't trust a politician, can you?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
They lie about everything. All right, Curtis, thank you for
joining us today on September 11th.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Very, very solemn occasion. A commemoration except the politicians hijacked it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Absolutely.
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