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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone. Welcome to The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about how contestants on the reality shows
Survivor had to poop VR or virtual reality headsets are
being given to prisoners, a woman who had astronomical amounts
of lead in her body, a woman who was born
without the ability to blink, and a woman who is
(00:41):
allergic to her husband. All that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, So, Sophia Bullerti, who I guess was on
the most recent season of Survivor, which I cannot believe
that show is still airing consistently.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
As you, I wanted to know, like, why does anybody
want to do?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes? I don't know, and it's season like forty nine
or something crazy. I don't know why anybody would want to.
But I actually wrote an article a couple of years
ago about that show Naked and Afraid, which I think
is worse because you're completely nude the whole time and
they just introduce a whole other set of problems. But whatever, So,
like she's on Survivor, she's getting asked by a fan
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the question I'm sure everybody wants to know, which is
how do you go to the bathroom on the show?
Because they're supposed to be on a quote unquote like
desert island type of situation and have to survive. So
she explains there's basically one of two options. The first,
which is the easiest, is you can go in the
ocean and just poop right there. Or the second is
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they have something called the coconut grove where the teams
will create this designated area called the coconut grove, and
you basically dig a hole in the ground, poop and
bury your poop. But that comes with concerns of digging
up other people's poop. So none of this seems appealing
at all exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm just like, why does anyone want to do that?
It reminds me of I wrote an article in the
Gross Room about this how people are going to the
bathroom in some areas of India and it's the same thing,
like on this poop beach, and that's the same exact thing.
They're either going on this beach and pooping or they're
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going in the water and pooping in the water. But
at least I guess on this show, the producers are
like designating areas where people should do that, because if
you just let people go wherever they want it, it's
really going to become a problem on areas where you
want people to eat their lunch and enjoy the beach,
you know. So I just think, like the pooping outside
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is just like no, I'm good, thanks, And I enjoy
doing hikes and outdoor activities and things like that. But
but like I don't I don't really even know. I
just don't understand the show. I never actually watched it.
But do you want I'm assuming you win something.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think you win money at the end, just respect
or I think you might win money at the end,
but I don't think you get anything at all if
you get kicked off before. So like you could basically
get to the end, And.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, I guess it's kind of a challenge for people.
I guess that you want to see if you could
do that and how you could last and stuff. I
just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And they're out there for like a month, it said
it ranges from twenty six to thirty nine days, depending
on like what the season is or what format they're
doing that season.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This doesn't sound I feel like at all.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I feel like the worst part for me would just
be which I've heard there. It would be like the
like mosquito bites and stuff and just that kind of stuff,
the sun sunburn.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's what I wrote about about Naked and Afraid because
they're nude and they could bring one item with them
so most of the time, so they'll bring like a
fire start or something like that to make their life easier.
But the most common issues they see on that show
is a trench foot because they don't have shoes on
or b they have severe reactions to the bug bites
and they can't take it. Sometimes they get weird infections.
(04:12):
You just never know what's gonna Yeah, I wouldn't want.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
To have my vagina like exposed to all that outside
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, I think it would be just a terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And especially where do they film these things in locations
that have those bugs like in Indiana Jones that are
the size of your arm and stuff. No, thanks, Yeah,
And I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Wondering if I don't really I've never watched I don't
even think I've seen ever an episode of Survivor, so
I don't know how it works at all. But I
wonder if it's the same I would assume it's the
same property. They're on every time. So are like they
going in in between seasons and cleaning this poop out
of the ground or like, oh, that's nasty, because I
think it's not like they only film it once a year.
(04:53):
If they you have going into fifty seasons. The show's
been on probably twenty twenty five years, so they're filming
at least two seasons a year. It's not like, you know,
I just don't understand why.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I wonder if we have any survivor that there has
to be like diehard fans if it's been on for
that long.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh, there totally is. So I know one of you
guys out there, so you need to let.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Us know, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
California prisons are introducing VR headsets to inmates as quote
hope machines that they can provide them with an escape
or exposure to real world scenarios to help them re
enter society if they get out.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think this is kind of cool. I mean, like
a lot of times you would just we talked about
this on yesterday's episode. Sometimes you have people that are
in prison for life in prison, and there's certainly terrible
people like people who leave a little girl for dead
to get eaten by alligators, that don't deserve to have
any in my opinion, like escape. They shouldn't be able
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to like go on a fake vacation to Thailand with
a VR headset. But I think for so I think
I would be a fan of it. For certain prisoners,
I would have to handpick all of them, of course,
according to their crimes. But like one of the things
was saying that it does these like virtual job interviews,
which is really good because if I think it could
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really help people in general. When you get out of prison,
the biggest thing is is that you want to start
your life over again. And if it gives them skills
to be able to do that, then that's the best
case scenario, not only for them but for society as
a whole, that they're not just going to go out
and start selling drugs again or start doing crimes again
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to make money a way that they because they can't
get a real job because they don't have any skills
like that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, Like I think when I first started reading the
article and they were presenting it, I think the first
case they presented was a prisoner that used it as
an escape to take what you just said, like a
quote unquote vacation at Highland for example, Right, And when
I was reading that, I'll probably get shit for this,
but like, depending on what the severity of the crime was,
I'm like, jail is not supposed to be like a
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desirable or comfortable place to go, right, It's supposed to
be this horrible place you don't want to go to,
which keeps people in line. And obviously the people in
prison have rights and everything. But I'm like, we're giving
them a video game to play. And that's the way
I saw it at first. But then once they started
talking about exactly what you're saying, like doing virtual job
interviews or something I never thought about is people that
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have been in prison a long time aren't up to
date with how technology works, so it could present them
with scenarios like how to use a grocery store self checkout,
or how to use modern day ATMs or gas stations
or something like that. I think that's really useful tool.
And obviously I don't think they're just handing it out
to anybody to use. It's probably prisoners that have gone
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in and shown a lot of progress and reform that
are ready to start going back out into the world.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Do you think they can make some kind of program
for Brian Coburger or something that that simulates like him
getting murdered the way he murdered those kids and forcing
him to wear it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm sure that would be an ethical concern with like
psychological to I think.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Ethics could be bent sometimes you could.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, I agree, like I, like I said on yesterday's episode,
but the guy that left that poor little girl out
to be in bet alligators, I think you deserve what
you like. You should get what you gave. So like
f these people, some people are just horrible, evil human
beings and they deserve to have some form of torture
in response, like Coburger, like that guy in jail. So whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But I but the guy that robbed the gas station
totally cool. He could go on his pseudo vacations to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No whatever. I you know, there's obviously people that just
make bad choices when they're young or whatever, and like
they do actually go to jail and.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Or form Oh you want to hear something cool? Actually
I don't think I told you this. So when we
were just on our road trip. We went to Alcatraz
and when we were there, there was a guy that
was a former prisoner at Alcatraz that had a book
that he was selling and he was ninety three or
something or ninety eight, he was in his nineties, and
(09:19):
he was so cute. He was like this cute old
little man that had fur in his ears. And Gabe
bought the book. I'll send you a picture of it.
I was. We got the book signed by him, and
we had Lucia. Lucia had so many questions, so she
asked him. She was like, why were you in jail here?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah? Why did he go to jail?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So it was actually like really shitty at Alcatraz because
no one ever just went there. You went there because
you escaped other prisons, and that was considered a prison
that was impossible to escape.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
From, even though Clint Eastwood did exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I love that that movie. It's so good. So so yeah,
this guy he stole cars or something when he was
like seventeen, and he went to prison and then he's like,
and I broke out, so then they put me back
in and I broke out again, which I was like,
this is so cool, like this old guy, and then
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they brought him to Alcatraz because he kept breaking out
of prison, and he did his time there and then
he left. But just like you're looking at this guy
and he's just like this cute old guy, and he
seemed very normal, and just if you met him on
the street, you would never ever think that, like he
served time at Alcatraz, you know, well, this.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is what I'm talking about, Like he made a bad
decision as a teenager, and like obviously kept making bad
decisions during to escape, which is why he was sent there.
But clearly, like he eventually paid his time and he
got out, he wrote a book and everything. Now he's
living as a cute old man. But if you're purposely
leaving a child on the side of the road, knowing
full well she's gonna get heat by an alligator, I
don't think you get to go to Thailand for five minutes,
(11:03):
like no, thank you. And I think there's something to
be said too about like so let's use my little
old man as an example, like if he.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Was in prison you know modern day now, because he
only he stole cars, so he wasn't gonna be sentenced
for that long, right, yeah, but when you're seventeen and
you're in prison and it's terrible, you're like, get me
the f out of this place. I'm breaking out of here.
So and it's the same thing with one of the
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people I believe that did was involved with the Alcatraz breakout.
I believe that the one of them that didn't go
through with it at the very end was not in there,
was not supposed to be in there for the rest
of his life. So one could argue if if the
prisoners are semi entertained and not extremely bored with time
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on their hands to figure out how to figure out
to break out, because that's exactly what happened at Alcatraz,
Like you have guys, a bunch of guys getting together
that have nothing to do all day and they get creative. Yeah,
and that's how they break out, and they also start
shit with other prisoners and and then that could get
them in trouble again. So like this guy, for example,
(12:20):
stole cars when he was seventeen, if he just stayed
there for however long he was supposed to be there,
two or three years and left, he would have went
on to be in his young twenties and had a
normal life, but because he kept breaking out, it's like
it added fifteen years onto a sentence and and and
hard time at a prison with like al Capone and shit.
(12:40):
So maybe if they have something to do, you can
like it's it's kind of for the greater good of
all involved. Yeah, I could see that, just not just
not Brian Koberger or the guy that no out there.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
God, there are just some people that should just rotten him.
All right, all right, this one's a little complex, so
just bear with me. A couple of years ago, for months,
this woman Hannah, had been experiencing debilitating pain in her body,
so bad that she missed her daughter's birthday party. Eventually
gets to the point where she's in so much pain
that she calls her mom while her husband's at work,
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to bring her to the emergency room. So there, they
were going to send her home at first because their
vital signs were showing that everything was okay, but she
ended up having a seizure and was unconscious for forty
eight hours, and they just really didn't know what was
going on. So after a couple of days of testing,
they find a quote astronomical amount of lead inside of
her body. And her mom starts freaking out when the
(13:40):
doctors suggest that she couldn't have accidentally ingested this and
instead they believe somebody was giving it to her intentionally
as an attempted murder.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's a really interesting conversation to have because assuming the
husband was also going I mean, the husband's always respond so, like,
assuming he was there visiting her as well, Like, would
doctors wait for that guy to leave and then go
in and then talk to the mother, like, because that
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could be a very hostile environment to bring something like
that up. If the if the guy, you know, he
could freak out and be like what are you talking about?
And stuff like that. Who can I guess My question
is if that happens in the hospital. Obviously, because I
don't take care of patients that are alive, I wouldn't
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know that If if a doctor suspects that, I feel
like they should get the police involved and then have
the police interview the family because like, what are they
going to do about it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, so initially when they figured out why this amount
of lead was in her body, I mean they're like,
I don't I think they were in shock? She was
not dead, based on what they saw on the testing.
So so I think initially they had separated her and
considered anyone close to her a suspect. So the mom
and the husband, right, and there was this history of
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the mother and husband not getting along, so they didn't
they couldn't necessarily trust one source versus the other. But
they did notice that the mom actually seemed very concerned
for her well being, whereas the husband did not seem
as concerned. So at some point it comes up that
she had been taking these capsule supplements that her husband,
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who was a chiropractor, had been giving her, and nobody
had thought anything of it because he was a licensed chiropractor.
So they start the doctors then start asking him, like,
can you bring these capsules in so we can see
what's going on, because you know, even mo mom was
just telling me she was taking this supplement that maybe
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could affect her kidneys or whatever. I'm sure she didn't
tell you because of the eye roll.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You just I just I just don't want to know.
I don't want to know any.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So he's being really weird. He won't bring the capsules,
and he just keeps sending them pictures of similar over
the counter ones. And they're like, no, we need the
exact ones she took, and he's like, I don't know
what you're talking about, Like these are ones I give
my patients basically, So he's being really weird about it,
and this is when they start getting police involved because
they're like, Okay, this guy's being weird and he's not
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being forthcoming, and like the mom actually does seem really
concerned for her well being where as this guy does not,
So she starts to get better by March. This all
goes down in January of twenty twenty two, so she
starts to get better. By March. She ends up going
back home and files for divorce because like at this point,
they think the husband is the primary suspect, obviously by
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his weird behavior. So then, in a classic what seems
to be abusive relationship, there's a history that they didn't
always get along great, and he definitely try to isolate
her from her mom and everything she meets up with them.
He convinces her to get back with him, and then
the police are talking to her and they're like, are
you going forward with this or not, because like we
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still think he's the suspect. So she ends up saying okay,
I will continue to like be split up from him
in file for divorce. So this whole time, this cocky
guy is like, they're not gonna get me. I didn't
do anything wrong, blah blah blah. They can't even find
these capsules.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
A contractor goes to the police and says, I recently
installed lead based lining in this guy's practice for an
X ray room, and the material we used is so
easy to scrape off that it could be in shavings
that could easily be put into a capsule. So then
they go to his office, get part of this lead
(17:43):
lining from the wall and confirm that that was as
possible as it is.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, this is so weird. So what keyed the contractor off?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He saw his name in the news as being a
suspect for this and was like, I just did an
install for this guy using this lead baselining because we
talked about a story what a couple of weeks ago
how a place didn't have that lining and that all
those people were being exposed to radiation.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so he so the doctor was scraping this lead
off of the wall and putting it in a capsule
and then having her take them as a supplement, yes,
for months, and they were able to confirm it based
upon studies done on the same as act wall. That's
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how they like, did they ever find the capsules.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I don't think they ever found the capsules, but they yeah,
they went they studied those, and then you know, she's
just like even she was like, I was visibly getting
very sick, and he would angrily force me to take
the capsules every single night.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So when she went back out of the hot you know,
she was in the hospital for a while and then
she got better and then she went back out. Did
she take them again?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
No, So she at that point she had filed for
divorce maybe was gonna get back with them, And then
the police were like, you need to decide what you're
doing because we want to like go forward with this.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So the treat so the treatment, they they figured out
that she had all of at the hospital that she
had lead in her colon.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
They said her colon had so much lead in it
was almost one hundred percent full of lead and it
was showing up in her bones. I don't know medically
how accurate that was. That was her mother's description of
the event.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
No, I mean this is this is the thing when
you when you jest led, it gets absorbed into the
bloodstream and then it gets stored into your bones. But
I just don't understand how it would be in her
actual colon.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Maybe that was the mother and the interview misunderstanding exactly
where it was in her body. But I guess based
on the about and considering on her account she was
not intentionally taking it. They were like, well, somebody's giving
it to you, so like, how is it getting in
your body?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
One of the things that I read was that she
had to get this round the clock irrigation of her
colon to remove it. And I don't know it just
it just seems weird to me because I guess in theory,
if a person took it and you did the irrigation
like right away, but once it absorbs, it's it's stored
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in the body, so there's like no way, there's no
way to take it. There are ways, but there are
certain kinds of drugs that you would give called heliation
drugs that bind to the lead to try to remove
it from the body, but the irrigation just wouldn't be
a typical way. The only thing I'm thinking is that
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if she was taking so many of these pills that
it was like not getting like you understand what I'm saying,
Like she would have been pooping it out and it
would be absorbed in the body. I don't know, like obviously,
like I don't see the medical record and stuff, but
this is just this is terrible. This is their account
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of it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He went on trial last summer and was found guilty
and sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It's just it's it's really scary, Like we actually know
someone that got poisoned by their girlfriend and I talked
to him extensively about it, and it's really when you're
an outsider looking in, you're just like that that's just
like such shady, skeptical behavior that people you would think,
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like why don't people understand, like see that this is
happening right now, you know. But I feel like when
you're in it, like she was saying, it was the
ultimate case of gaslighting. Like I just would think if
if Gabe was trying to give get me to take
drugs all the time and I didn't feel good, you
just would think that you would put two and two
together like really fast.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, you would think the way that this article presented
was that they had a history of an abusive relationship
that met when she was eighteen he was twenty nine.
She got pregnant very quickly. They got married within months
of starting to go out with each other, and she
had alluded that they had a physically abusive relationship while
she was pregnant. Obviously, he had a bad relationship with
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the mom and was trying to keep them separated. He
was trying to blame the whole incident on the mother
and the mom's like, how would I have been poisoning her?
I haven't seen her every day like you have. It
was just so ridiculous. And to think he really thought
he was going to get away with it. I mean
he probably would have if that contractor never came forward
and showed police the source of lead that could easily
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be put into these capsules.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, that's a wild story, really weird.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
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So a woman's gone viral on TikTok after sharing she
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was born without the ability to blink, and it's a
condition that she inherited from her father. It's called congenital potosis.
So potosis is droopy eyelids. So she was born with
a condition that her levitator muscle that is surrounding her
eye it doesn't work to lift up her eyelids, so
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her eyes just constantly look like sleepy.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's interesting the article is saying that she had a
procedure done to try to fix this, because immediately I'm like, well,
how does that work? Because what in her eyeballs dry
out and cause other issues. But I guess they were
able to go in and change the way. You could
probably explain this better than I changed the muscle it
was coming from. So it comes from her eyebrow muscle
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the way she blinks.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it could be a problem for some people because
the lids could droop so much that it actually covers
the pupil and could cause problems with visions, so they
have to surgically intervene sometimes. But you could see still
as an adult that her eyelids look a little bit
different than anybody else's. But I think it's cool, Like,
(24:27):
it's cool she's talking about it. Of course, she said
that she got bullied and made fun of and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, which surprised me with her decision to share it
online because she said she had never met anybody else
with a condition except people in her family that also
have it. So she's actually been met with overwhelming amount
of kindness on TikTok, which I can't believe because people
are so mean on there, which she's actually been connected
with other people that have it too, So it's cool
that she's trying to like show off this unique thing
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that's going on.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, it is all right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
After getting married in twenty twenty three, this couple was
going to get pregnant, wasn't having any luck, and thought
they were facing the dreaded diagnosis of unexplained infertility, which
I explained to my IVF to SECTION a couple of
weeks ago. But as it turns out, after some testing,
doctors discovered that the wife is allergic to her husband's DNA.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, this is this is really crazy. So when you
know these people, so she's having a fertility problem, but
these people often don't have a problem for fertilization of
the egg, and in this case, she was getting IVF,
so thinking that that was the problem, when really the
fertilization isn't the problem. It's once it, you know, the
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fertilized egg is then a combined your own DNA and
the father's DNA, And this happens when a person's body
recognizes that father's DNA as foreign and attacks it and
gets it out. I mean, this is like really bad
if you have this happen, obviously, and it's an interesting
(25:59):
question bring up because people that have this happen have
history of multiple failed IVF attempts, and is this something
that gets brought up at the IVF doctor if a
person's having multiple attempts.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well before in my case, before you even go through IVF,
Before you get there, I mean, you got to get
so much testing done to try to figure out what
the problem is. But unfortunately, when they really can't find
an answer, you get diagnosed with unexplained infertility, which is
like probably the worst thing ever. You just don't know
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what's causing it. So in this case, they ended up
doing one round of IVF that failed, and before continuing
on with that, which is so astronomically expensive. The husband
was like, hold on a second, like, I just think
we need to get some more testing done, and that's
when they gave them this test and figured it out.
So now they're trying to do this quote unquote immunotherapy
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with her, where they said it's called lteth therapy, where
they're injecting process samples of the husband's blood into the
wife to help her immune system try to build tolerance.
I mean, this is just such a rare thing and
I feel like they have a really long road ahead
of them, and not to mention extremely expensive.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well it's kind of like she's getting like allergy shots,
yeah for the husband, right wow. But yeah, it's also
not it might be like semi controversial treatment too. You know,
a lot of practices don't do it. It's not FDA
approved for normal fertility treatment. That doesn't mean that it
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doesn't work and people aren't using it, but there are
controversies with it, and a lot of the studies are
showing that it's the results are inconsistent and it's hard
to reproduce the results, and some studies show that there's
a benefit to this therapy. Others don't but they also
said they're working to improve her immune system so it
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doesn't necessarily attack those cells as soon as it sees them.
But I mean, yeah, like I guess, I guess I
have a lot of questions about it because just because
she's allergic to his DNA, would she be allergic to
someone else's DNA. It seems like you have these markers
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on your cells, and it seems like this is happening
in people that have similar markers on their cells, So
like maybe if you found one that was a little
bit you know what I mean, Like the markers are
just close enough that the body is like getting these
mixed signals and freaking out when it sees something that
it doesn't exactly recognize, whereas if it was a little
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bit different, it might not have such a reaction.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I feel like this is just such a weird thing
that maybe I'm sure reproductive endochronologists have come across case
studies like this in the past, but it's it's just
such an unusual thing I don't think they would jump
to and not even recognize. I think for unexplained fertility,
the most common reasoning they believe causing it is what's
called like silent endometriosis when you're not really presenting with
(29:15):
typical endometriosis signs, but something's down there is still causing.
You know. It's mostly when women get transfers and the
embryos just will not take and they keep having miscarriages
and stuff like that. So this is interesting. We should
maybe get my beloved doctor osmond On here to talk
about exactly what they look for. So I don't know,
(29:38):
I think it's like, I think it's interesting, and I
think it's cool. They're being very open about it, so
maybe if there's other I mean, they can't be the
only people in the world going through this. We've had stories,
I feel, in the past of women being allergic.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I guess this was my question because a lot of
it is like, especially talking to certain not just you a,
but other people that have been going through eyes for
years that I've known, there's a little bit of you know,
since there's big money attached to it and cash, it
does make me a little concern sometimes, like for this
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particular couple, like this was the husband's decision to check
this to see if this was a thing, and it
got checked and figured out, But like, how many times
do they let a woman go through the IVF treatment
and the husband the couple go through the IVF treatment
before they all they even suggest that this could be
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a possibility, because if they didn't bring that up, they
might have went for a second round and never had
it done. Unless this is part of the normal testing
that they do at a place like yours.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think it just depends on your clinic and your
specific doctor. There's definitely bad faith actors in this community
that are going to take advantage because it is so
expensive and they could be so profitable for these clinics.
But I also think it boils down to experience, and
it's like you just might have a doctor that's never
even thought of this being a possibility, and it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, that's alarming to me. I Yes, So if that's
your thing, it's you know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, because I feel like, you know, everybody has IVF
is kind of also just one of those weird things
because it's so particular down to the chemistry of the
one or two people trying to go through it together,
and so it's hard to tell what's right and what's wrong,
and what's being done right and what's not and everything.
(31:30):
So I think that's where they can get away with
a lot of stuff like that. You just want to
hope in this world that people aren't doing that, but
we definitely know that some are.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean one in particular, a family member of
mine went through it three four or five rounds, never
got pregnant. Never, and and like she's spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars to get it done. Well yeah that,
And I'm just kind of like, is there a point
where I mean, I understand they want to be optimistic,
(32:02):
and I guess it's chance, but it's it's also just like,
that's that's crazy. I think if you have a.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Good doctor, they won't allow you to a physically go
through that and be emotionally go through it. I mean,
it is so much to go through something like that.
I know my clinic, for example, before I knew what
my particular situation is, and we talked about the possibilities,
they were like, okay, we we would start you off
with IUI basically, but we only do three rounds of
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EUI and if the three rounds are unsuccessful, then we
go to IVF. There are some clinics that will do
like twelve rounds of IUI before allowing you to go
to IF and it's like, Okay, at what point, I
feel like my place is a little bit of a
nicer clinic that maybe runs more of their own studies
and has better practices and everything, so they know what
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works for them, and maybe that's why they're like, we've
seen in our practice and our research that if it
doesn't have been in three attempts, it's not happening. Yeah,
there's like a two percent chance of it happening, So
we're not even gonna bother. But then you have insurance
coming into it. Some insurances won't cover IVF unless you
go through a certain amount of IUI and testing. It's
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just this is an industry that's you know, you want
to think that first IVF baby was born fifty years ago,
so it's been around for five decades give or take,
maybe more. But it's still kind of a new industry.
It's like social media and all this tech stuff. There
still needs to be some regulations put in place.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, but you just want to hope.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
In this case, it was like truly they couldn't figure
it out, and then well.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
There's been thirst stories and then news all the time
that they're bad actors. Yeah, people like I just read
one the other day. Actually we didn't even talk about
it on the show. This woman like same thing, did
like a twenty three and meter test, found out that
she's got all these half siblings and they all figured
out they went to the same place, and you know, yeah,
it's like like it happens. Unfortunately, greed gets the best
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of people sometimes, And.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, and you could go to a really good place
and still have an issue happen, or have somebody be
a bad actor. So like, I don't know, it's really
up to you. You gotta like listen to your gut
and if something doesn't feel right, As somebody that just
went through this, I think you really gotta be like
I've gotta switch doctors or places or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
To make it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It should feel right to you the entire time. This
is such a serious thing. It's very emotionally taxing. It
costs so much money. It's a lot to go through.
And like I can't even express enough the emotional mental
toll it took on me the last year going through that.
So like, it has to feel good to you the
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entire time, or it's just not gonna feel right even
if everything ends up being successful. You have to feel
good about every step of the process yourself.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
On that note, we are gonna be on True Crime
with the Ours live on YouTube tomorrow night at six. Oh,
that's gonna be fun with Joe Jackaloone. We are so
excited for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I love him. He is so funny.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Oh, he is so funny and I really can't wait
to see what topics he has for us and talk
to him.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Oh God, it's gonna be a good time.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone. Welcome to The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about how contestants on the reality shows
Survivor had to poop VR or virtual reality headsets are
being given to prisoners, a woman who had astronomical amounts
of lead in her body, a woman who was born
without the ability to blink, and a woman who is
(00:41):
allergic to her husband. All that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, So, Sophia Bullerti, who I guess was on
the most recent season of Survivor, which I cannot believe
that show is still airing consistently.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
As you, I wanted to know, like, why does anybody
want to do?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes? I don't know, and it's season like forty nine
or something crazy. I don't know why anybody would want to.
But I actually wrote an article a couple of years
ago about that show Naked and Afraid, which I think
is worse because you're completely nude the whole time and
they just introduce a whole other set of problems. But whatever, So,
like she's on Survivor, she's getting asked by a fan
(01:23):
the question I'm sure everybody wants to know, which is
how do you go to the bathroom on the show?
Because they're supposed to be on a quote unquote like
desert island type of situation and have to survive. So
she explains there's basically one of two options. The first,
which is the easiest, is you can go in the
ocean and just poop right there. Or the second is
(01:43):
they have something called the coconut grove where the teams
will create this designated area called the coconut grove, and
you basically dig a hole in the ground, poop and
bury your poop. But that comes with concerns of digging
up other people's poop. So none of this seems appealing
at all exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'm just like, why does anyone want to do that?
It reminds me of I wrote an article in the
Gross Room about this how people are going to the
bathroom in some areas of India and it's the same thing,
like on this poop beach, and that's the same exact thing.
They're either going on this beach and pooping or they're
(02:23):
going in the water and pooping in the water. But
at least I guess on this show, the producers are
like designating areas where people should do that, because if
you just let people go wherever they want it, it's
really going to become a problem on areas where you
want people to eat their lunch and enjoy the beach,
you know. So I just think, like the pooping outside
(02:47):
is just like no, I'm good, thanks, And I enjoy
doing hikes and outdoor activities and things like that. But
but like I don't I don't really even know. I
just don't understand the show. I never actually watched it.
But do you want I'm assuming you win something.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think you win money at the end, just respect
or I think you might win money at the end,
but I don't think you get anything at all if
you get kicked off before. So like you could basically
get to the end, And.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, I guess it's kind of a challenge for people.
I guess that you want to see if you could
do that and how you could last and stuff. I
just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And they're out there for like a month, it said
it ranges from twenty six to thirty nine days, depending
on like what the season is or what format they're
doing that season.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
This doesn't sound I feel like at all.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I feel like the worst part for me would just
be which I've heard there. It would be like the
like mosquito bites and stuff and just that kind of stuff,
the sun sunburn.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's what I wrote about about Naked and Afraid because
they're nude and they could bring one item with them
so most of the time, so they'll bring like a
fire start or something like that to make their life easier.
But the most common issues they see on that show
is a trench foot because they don't have shoes on
or b they have severe reactions to the bug bites
and they can't take it. Sometimes they get weird infections.
(04:12):
You just never know what's gonna Yeah, I wouldn't want.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
To have my vagina like exposed to all that outside
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, I think it would be just a terrible.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And especially where do they film these things in locations
that have those bugs like in Indiana Jones that are
the size of your arm and stuff. No, thanks, Yeah,
And I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Wondering if I don't really I've never watched I don't
even think I've seen ever an episode of Survivor, so
I don't know how it works at all. But I
wonder if it's the same I would assume it's the
same property. They're on every time. So are like they
going in in between seasons and cleaning this poop out
of the ground or like, oh, that's nasty, because I
think it's not like they only film it once a year.
(04:53):
If they you have going into fifty seasons. The show's
been on probably twenty twenty five years, so they're filming
at least two seasons a year. It's not like, you know,
I just don't understand why.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I wonder if we have any survivor that there has
to be like diehard fans if it's been on for
that long.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh, there totally is. So I know one of you
guys out there, so you need to let.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Us know, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
California prisons are introducing VR headsets to inmates as quote
hope machines that they can provide them with an escape
or exposure to real world scenarios to help them re
enter society if they get out.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think this is kind of cool. I mean, like
a lot of times you would just we talked about
this on yesterday's episode. Sometimes you have people that are
in prison for life in prison, and there's certainly terrible
people like people who leave a little girl for dead
to get eaten by alligators, that don't deserve to have
any in my opinion, like escape. They shouldn't be able
(05:53):
to like go on a fake vacation to Thailand with
a VR headset. But I think for so I think
I would be a fan of it. For certain prisoners,
I would have to handpick all of them, of course,
according to their crimes. But like one of the things
was saying that it does these like virtual job interviews,
which is really good because if I think it could
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really help people in general. When you get out of prison,
the biggest thing is is that you want to start
your life over again. And if it gives them skills
to be able to do that, then that's the best
case scenario, not only for them but for society as
a whole, that they're not just going to go out
and start selling drugs again or start doing crimes again
(06:40):
to make money a way that they because they can't
get a real job because they don't have any skills
like that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, Like I think when I first started reading the
article and they were presenting it, I think the first
case they presented was a prisoner that used it as
an escape to take what you just said, like a
quote unquote vacation at Highland for example, Right, And when
I was reading that, I'll probably get shit for this,
but like, depending on what the severity of the crime was,
I'm like, jail is not supposed to be like a
(07:10):
desirable or comfortable place to go, right, It's supposed to
be this horrible place you don't want to go to,
which keeps people in line. And obviously the people in
prison have rights and everything. But I'm like, we're giving
them a video game to play. And that's the way
I saw it at first. But then once they started
talking about exactly what you're saying, like doing virtual job
interviews or something I never thought about is people that
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have been in prison a long time aren't up to
date with how technology works, so it could present them
with scenarios like how to use a grocery store self checkout,
or how to use modern day ATMs or gas stations
or something like that. I think that's really useful tool.
And obviously I don't think they're just handing it out
to anybody to use. It's probably prisoners that have gone
(07:53):
in and shown a lot of progress and reform that
are ready to start going back out into the world.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Do you think they can make some kind of program
for Brian Coburger or something that that simulates like him
getting murdered the way he murdered those kids and forcing
him to wear it.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm sure that would be an ethical concern with like
psychological to I think.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Ethics could be bent sometimes you could.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, I agree, like I, like I said on yesterday's episode,
but the guy that left that poor little girl out
to be in bet alligators, I think you deserve what
you like. You should get what you gave. So like
f these people, some people are just horrible, evil human
beings and they deserve to have some form of torture
in response, like Coburger, like that guy in jail. So whatever.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But I but the guy that robbed the gas station
totally cool. He could go on his pseudo vacations to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
No whatever. I you know, there's obviously people that just
make bad choices when they're young or whatever, and like
they do actually go to jail and.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Or form Oh you want to hear something cool? Actually
I don't think I told you this. So when we
were just on our road trip. We went to Alcatraz
and when we were there, there was a guy that
was a former prisoner at Alcatraz that had a book
that he was selling and he was ninety three or
something or ninety eight, he was in his nineties, and
(09:19):
he was so cute. He was like this cute old
little man that had fur in his ears. And Gabe
bought the book. I'll send you a picture of it.
I was. We got the book signed by him, and
we had Lucia. Lucia had so many questions, so she
asked him. She was like, why were you in jail here?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah? Why did he go to jail?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So it was actually like really shitty at Alcatraz because
no one ever just went there. You went there because
you escaped other prisons, and that was considered a prison
that was impossible to escape.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
From, even though Clint Eastwood did exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I love that that movie. It's so good. So so yeah,
this guy he stole cars or something when he was
like seventeen, and he went to prison and then he's like,
and I broke out, so then they put me back
in and I broke out again, which I was like,
this is so cool, like this old guy, and then
(10:21):
they brought him to Alcatraz because he kept breaking out
of prison, and he did his time there and then
he left. But just like you're looking at this guy
and he's just like this cute old guy, and he
seemed very normal, and just if you met him on
the street, you would never ever think that, like he
served time at Alcatraz, you know, well, this.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is what I'm talking about, Like he made a bad
decision as a teenager, and like obviously kept making bad
decisions during to escape, which is why he was sent there.
But clearly, like he eventually paid his time and he
got out, he wrote a book and everything. Now he's
living as a cute old man. But if you're purposely
leaving a child on the side of the road, knowing
full well she's gonna get heat by an alligator, I
don't think you get to go to Thailand for five minutes,
(11:03):
like no, thank you. And I think there's something to
be said too about like so let's use my little
old man as an example, like if he.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Was in prison you know modern day now, because he
only he stole cars, so he wasn't gonna be sentenced
for that long, right, yeah, but when you're seventeen and
you're in prison and it's terrible, you're like, get me
the f out of this place. I'm breaking out of here.
So and it's the same thing with one of the
(11:34):
people I believe that did was involved with the Alcatraz breakout.
I believe that the one of them that didn't go
through with it at the very end was not in there,
was not supposed to be in there for the rest
of his life. So one could argue if if the
prisoners are semi entertained and not extremely bored with time
(11:57):
on their hands to figure out how to figure out
to break out, because that's exactly what happened at Alcatraz,
Like you have guys, a bunch of guys getting together
that have nothing to do all day and they get creative. Yeah,
and that's how they break out, and they also start
shit with other prisoners and and then that could get
them in trouble again. So like this guy, for example,
(12:20):
stole cars when he was seventeen, if he just stayed
there for however long he was supposed to be there,
two or three years and left, he would have went
on to be in his young twenties and had a
normal life, but because he kept breaking out, it's like
it added fifteen years onto a sentence and and and
hard time at a prison with like al Capone and shit.
(12:40):
So maybe if they have something to do, you can
like it's it's kind of for the greater good of
all involved. Yeah, I could see that, just not just
not Brian Koberger or the guy that no out there.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
God, there are just some people that should just rotten him.
All right, all right, this one's a little complex, so
just bear with me. A couple of years ago, for months,
this woman Hannah, had been experiencing debilitating pain in her body,
so bad that she missed her daughter's birthday party. Eventually
gets to the point where she's in so much pain
that she calls her mom while her husband's at work,
(13:17):
to bring her to the emergency room. So there, they
were going to send her home at first because their
vital signs were showing that everything was okay, but she
ended up having a seizure and was unconscious for forty
eight hours, and they just really didn't know what was
going on. So after a couple of days of testing,
they find a quote astronomical amount of lead inside of
her body. And her mom starts freaking out when the
(13:40):
doctors suggest that she couldn't have accidentally ingested this and
instead they believe somebody was giving it to her intentionally
as an attempted murder.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's a really interesting conversation to have because assuming the
husband was also going I mean, the husband's always respond so, like,
assuming he was there visiting her as well, Like, would
doctors wait for that guy to leave and then go
in and then talk to the mother, like, because that
(14:12):
could be a very hostile environment to bring something like
that up. If the if the guy, you know, he
could freak out and be like what are you talking about?
And stuff like that. Who can I guess My question
is if that happens in the hospital. Obviously, because I
don't take care of patients that are alive, I wouldn't
(14:34):
know that If if a doctor suspects that, I feel
like they should get the police involved and then have
the police interview the family because like, what are they
going to do about it? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, so initially when they figured out why this amount
of lead was in her body, I mean they're like,
I don't I think they were in shock? She was
not dead, based on what they saw on the testing.
So so I think initially they had separated her and
considered anyone close to her a suspect. So the mom
and the husband, right, and there was this history of
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the mother and husband not getting along, so they didn't
they couldn't necessarily trust one source versus the other. But
they did notice that the mom actually seemed very concerned
for her well being, whereas the husband did not seem
as concerned. So at some point it comes up that
she had been taking these capsule supplements that her husband,
(15:29):
who was a chiropractor, had been giving her, and nobody
had thought anything of it because he was a licensed chiropractor.
So they start the doctors then start asking him, like,
can you bring these capsules in so we can see
what's going on, because you know, even mo mom was
just telling me she was taking this supplement that maybe
(15:51):
could affect her kidneys or whatever. I'm sure she didn't
tell you because of the eye roll.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You just I just I just don't want to know.
I don't want to know any.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So he's being really weird. He won't bring the capsules,
and he just keeps sending them pictures of similar over
the counter ones. And they're like, no, we need the
exact ones she took, and he's like, I don't know
what you're talking about, Like these are ones I give
my patients basically, So he's being really weird about it,
and this is when they start getting police involved because
they're like, Okay, this guy's being weird and he's not
(16:20):
being forthcoming, and like the mom actually does seem really
concerned for her well being where as this guy does not,
So she starts to get better by March. This all
goes down in January of twenty twenty two, so she
starts to get better. By March. She ends up going
back home and files for divorce because like at this point,
they think the husband is the primary suspect, obviously by
(16:43):
his weird behavior. So then, in a classic what seems
to be abusive relationship, there's a history that they didn't
always get along great, and he definitely try to isolate
her from her mom and everything she meets up with them.
He convinces her to get back with him, and then
the police are talking to her and they're like, are
you going forward with this or not, because like we
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still think he's the suspect. So she ends up saying okay,
I will continue to like be split up from him
in file for divorce. So this whole time, this cocky
guy is like, they're not gonna get me. I didn't
do anything wrong, blah blah blah. They can't even find
these capsules.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
A contractor goes to the police and says, I recently
installed lead based lining in this guy's practice for an
X ray room, and the material we used is so
easy to scrape off that it could be in shavings
that could easily be put into a capsule. So then
they go to his office, get part of this lead
(17:43):
lining from the wall and confirm that that was as
possible as it is.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, this is so weird. So what keyed the contractor off?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
He saw his name in the news as being a
suspect for this and was like, I just did an
install for this guy using this lead baselining because we
talked about a story what a couple of weeks ago
how a place didn't have that lining and that all
those people were being exposed to radiation.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so he so the doctor was scraping this lead
off of the wall and putting it in a capsule
and then having her take them as a supplement, yes,
for months, and they were able to confirm it based
upon studies done on the same as act wall. That's
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how they like, did they ever find the capsules.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I don't think they ever found the capsules, but they yeah,
they went they studied those, and then you know, she's
just like even she was like, I was visibly getting
very sick, and he would angrily force me to take
the capsules every single night.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So when she went back out of the hot you know,
she was in the hospital for a while and then
she got better and then she went back out. Did
she take them again?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
No, So she at that point she had filed for
divorce maybe was gonna get back with them, And then
the police were like, you need to decide what you're
doing because we want to like go forward with this.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So the treat so the treatment, they they figured out
that she had all of at the hospital that she
had lead in her colon.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
They said her colon had so much lead in it
was almost one hundred percent full of lead and it
was showing up in her bones. I don't know medically
how accurate that was. That was her mother's description of
the event.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
No, I mean this is this is the thing when
you when you jest led, it gets absorbed into the
bloodstream and then it gets stored into your bones. But
I just don't understand how it would be in her
actual colon.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Maybe that was the mother and the interview misunderstanding exactly
where it was in her body. But I guess based
on the about and considering on her account she was
not intentionally taking it. They were like, well, somebody's giving
it to you, so like, how is it getting in
your body?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
One of the things that I read was that she
had to get this round the clock irrigation of her
colon to remove it. And I don't know it just
it just seems weird to me because I guess in theory,
if a person took it and you did the irrigation
like right away, but once it absorbs, it's it's stored
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in the body, so there's like no way, there's no
way to take it. There are ways, but there are
certain kinds of drugs that you would give called heliation
drugs that bind to the lead to try to remove
it from the body, but the irrigation just wouldn't be
a typical way. The only thing I'm thinking is that
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if she was taking so many of these pills that
it was like not getting like you understand what I'm saying,
Like she would have been pooping it out and it
would be absorbed in the body. I don't know, like obviously,
like I don't see the medical record and stuff, but
this is just this is terrible. This is their account
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of it.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He went on trial last summer and was found guilty
and sentenced to life in prison.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It's just it's it's really scary, Like we actually know
someone that got poisoned by their girlfriend and I talked
to him extensively about it, and it's really when you're
an outsider looking in, you're just like that that's just
like such shady, skeptical behavior that people you would think,
(21:36):
like why don't people understand, like see that this is
happening right now, you know. But I feel like when
you're in it, like she was saying, it was the
ultimate case of gaslighting. Like I just would think if
if Gabe was trying to give get me to take
drugs all the time and I didn't feel good, you
just would think that you would put two and two
together like really fast.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, you would think the way that this article presented
was that they had a history of an abusive relationship
that met when she was eighteen he was twenty nine.
She got pregnant very quickly. They got married within months
of starting to go out with each other, and she
had alluded that they had a physically abusive relationship while
she was pregnant. Obviously, he had a bad relationship with
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the mom and was trying to keep them separated. He
was trying to blame the whole incident on the mother
and the mom's like, how would I have been poisoning her?
I haven't seen her every day like you have. It
was just so ridiculous. And to think he really thought
he was going to get away with it. I mean
he probably would have if that contractor never came forward
and showed police the source of lead that could easily
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be put into these capsules.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, that's a wild story, really weird.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
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So a woman's gone viral on TikTok after sharing she
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was born without the ability to blink, and it's a
condition that she inherited from her father. It's called congenital potosis.
So potosis is droopy eyelids. So she was born with
a condition that her levitator muscle that is surrounding her
eye it doesn't work to lift up her eyelids, so
(23:40):
her eyes just constantly look like sleepy.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's interesting the article is saying that she had a
procedure done to try to fix this, because immediately I'm like, well,
how does that work? Because what in her eyeballs dry
out and cause other issues. But I guess they were
able to go in and change the way. You could
probably explain this better than I changed the muscle it
was coming from. So it comes from her eyebrow muscle
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the way she blinks.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, it could be a problem for some people because
the lids could droop so much that it actually covers
the pupil and could cause problems with visions, so they
have to surgically intervene sometimes. But you could see still
as an adult that her eyelids look a little bit
different than anybody else's. But I think it's cool, Like,
(24:27):
it's cool she's talking about it. Of course, she said
that she got bullied and made fun of and stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, which surprised me with her decision to share it
online because she said she had never met anybody else
with a condition except people in her family that also
have it. So she's actually been met with overwhelming amount
of kindness on TikTok, which I can't believe because people
are so mean on there, which she's actually been connected
with other people that have it too, So it's cool
that she's trying to like show off this unique thing
(24:54):
that's going on.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, it is all right.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
After getting married in twenty twenty three, this couple was
going to get pregnant, wasn't having any luck, and thought
they were facing the dreaded diagnosis of unexplained infertility, which
I explained to my IVF to SECTION a couple of
weeks ago. But as it turns out, after some testing,
doctors discovered that the wife is allergic to her husband's DNA.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, this is this is really crazy. So when you
know these people, so she's having a fertility problem, but
these people often don't have a problem for fertilization of
the egg, and in this case, she was getting IVF,
so thinking that that was the problem, when really the
fertilization isn't the problem. It's once it, you know, the
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fertilized egg is then a combined your own DNA and
the father's DNA, And this happens when a person's body
recognizes that father's DNA as foreign and attacks it and
gets it out. I mean, this is like really bad
if you have this happen, obviously, and it's an interesting
(25:59):
question bring up because people that have this happen have
history of multiple failed IVF attempts, and is this something
that gets brought up at the IVF doctor if a
person's having multiple attempts.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well before in my case, before you even go through IVF,
Before you get there, I mean, you got to get
so much testing done to try to figure out what
the problem is. But unfortunately, when they really can't find
an answer, you get diagnosed with unexplained infertility, which is
like probably the worst thing ever. You just don't know
(26:36):
what's causing it. So in this case, they ended up
doing one round of IVF that failed, and before continuing
on with that, which is so astronomically expensive. The husband
was like, hold on a second, like, I just think
we need to get some more testing done, and that's
when they gave them this test and figured it out.
So now they're trying to do this quote unquote immunotherapy
(26:57):
with her, where they said it's called lteth therapy, where
they're injecting process samples of the husband's blood into the
wife to help her immune system try to build tolerance.
I mean, this is just such a rare thing and
I feel like they have a really long road ahead
of them, and not to mention extremely expensive.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well it's kind of like she's getting like allergy shots,
yeah for the husband, right wow. But yeah, it's also
not it might be like semi controversial treatment too. You know,
a lot of practices don't do it. It's not FDA
approved for normal fertility treatment. That doesn't mean that it
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doesn't work and people aren't using it, but there are
controversies with it, and a lot of the studies are
showing that it's the results are inconsistent and it's hard
to reproduce the results, and some studies show that there's
a benefit to this therapy. Others don't but they also
said they're working to improve her immune system so it
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doesn't necessarily attack those cells as soon as it sees them.
But I mean, yeah, like I guess, I guess I
have a lot of questions about it because just because
she's allergic to his DNA, would she be allergic to
someone else's DNA. It seems like you have these markers
(28:25):
on your cells, and it seems like this is happening
in people that have similar markers on their cells, So
like maybe if you found one that was a little
bit you know what I mean, Like the markers are
just close enough that the body is like getting these
mixed signals and freaking out when it sees something that
it doesn't exactly recognize, whereas if it was a little
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bit different, it might not have such a reaction.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I feel like this is just such a weird thing
that maybe I'm sure reproductive endochronologists have come across case
studies like this in the past, but it's it's just
such an unusual thing I don't think they would jump
to and not even recognize. I think for unexplained fertility,
the most common reasoning they believe causing it is what's
called like silent endometriosis when you're not really presenting with
(29:15):
typical endometriosis signs, but something's down there is still causing.
You know. It's mostly when women get transfers and the
embryos just will not take and they keep having miscarriages
and stuff like that. So this is interesting. We should
maybe get my beloved doctor osmond On here to talk
about exactly what they look for. So I don't know,
(29:38):
I think it's like, I think it's interesting, and I
think it's cool. They're being very open about it, so
maybe if there's other I mean, they can't be the
only people in the world going through this. We've had stories,
I feel, in the past of women being allergic.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I guess this was my question because a lot of
it is like, especially talking to certain not just you a,
but other people that have been going through eyes for
years that I've known, there's a little bit of you know,
since there's big money attached to it and cash, it
does make me a little concern sometimes, like for this
(30:12):
particular couple, like this was the husband's decision to check
this to see if this was a thing, and it
got checked and figured out, But like, how many times
do they let a woman go through the IVF treatment
and the husband the couple go through the IVF treatment
before they all they even suggest that this could be
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a possibility, because if they didn't bring that up, they
might have went for a second round and never had
it done. Unless this is part of the normal testing
that they do at a place like yours.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I think it just depends on your clinic and your
specific doctor. There's definitely bad faith actors in this community
that are going to take advantage because it is so
expensive and they could be so profitable for these clinics.
But I also think it boils down to experience, and
it's like you just might have a doctor that's never
even thought of this being a possibility, and it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, that's alarming to me. I Yes, So if that's
your thing, it's you know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, because I feel like, you know, everybody has IVF
is kind of also just one of those weird things
because it's so particular down to the chemistry of the
one or two people trying to go through it together,
and so it's hard to tell what's right and what's wrong,
and what's being done right and what's not and everything.
(31:30):
So I think that's where they can get away with
a lot of stuff like that. You just want to
hope in this world that people aren't doing that, but
we definitely know that some are.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean one in particular, a family member of
mine went through it three four or five rounds, never
got pregnant. Never, and and like she's spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars to get it done. Well yeah that,
And I'm just kind of like, is there a point
where I mean, I understand they want to be optimistic,
(32:02):
and I guess it's chance, but it's it's also just like,
that's that's crazy. I think if you have a.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Good doctor, they won't allow you to a physically go
through that and be emotionally go through it. I mean,
it is so much to go through something like that.
I know my clinic, for example, before I knew what
my particular situation is, and we talked about the possibilities,
they were like, okay, we we would start you off
with IUI basically, but we only do three rounds of
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EUI and if the three rounds are unsuccessful, then we
go to IVF. There are some clinics that will do
like twelve rounds of IUI before allowing you to go
to IF and it's like, Okay, at what point, I
feel like my place is a little bit of a
nicer clinic that maybe runs more of their own studies
and has better practices and everything, so they know what
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works for them, and maybe that's why they're like, we've
seen in our practice and our research that if it
doesn't have been in three attempts, it's not happening. Yeah,
there's like a two percent chance of it happening, So
we're not even gonna bother. But then you have insurance
coming into it. Some insurances won't cover IVF unless you
go through a certain amount of IUI and testing. It's
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just this is an industry that's you know, you want
to think that first IVF baby was born fifty years ago,
so it's been around for five decades give or take,
maybe more. But it's still kind of a new industry.
It's like social media and all this tech stuff. There
still needs to be some regulations put in place.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, but you just want to hope.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
In this case, it was like truly they couldn't figure
it out, and then well.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
There's been thirst stories and then news all the time
that they're bad actors. Yeah, people like I just read
one the other day. Actually we didn't even talk about
it on the show. This woman like same thing, did
like a twenty three and meter test, found out that
she's got all these half siblings and they all figured
out they went to the same place, and you know, yeah,
it's like like it happens. Unfortunately, greed gets the best
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of people sometimes, And.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, and you could go to a really good place
and still have an issue happen, or have somebody be
a bad actor. So like, I don't know, it's really
up to you. You gotta like listen to your gut
and if something doesn't feel right, As somebody that just
went through this, I think you really gotta be like
I've gotta switch doctors or places or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
To make it.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It should feel right to you the entire time. This
is such a serious thing. It's very emotionally taxing. It
costs so much money. It's a lot to go through.
And like I can't even express enough the emotional mental
toll it took on me the last year going through that.
So like, it has to feel good to you the
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entire time, or it's just not gonna feel right even
if everything ends up being successful. You have to feel
good about every step of the process yourself.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
On that note, we are gonna be on True Crime
with the Ours live on YouTube tomorrow night at six. Oh,
that's gonna be fun with Joe Jackaloone. We are so
excited for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I love him. He is so funny.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Oh, he is so funny and I really can't wait
to see what topics he has for us and talk
to him.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Oh God, it's gonna be a good time.
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