BONUS - Celebrity Dentist Steven Lin Dead After Attacking Two Women

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On this special bonus episode, we talk about a recent true crime case out of Australia involving celebrity dentist Steven Lin. Steven Lin had previously been on our show to discuss the death of NFL player Mike Williams, gut health, and general dental care. Now, the disgraced dentist has been shot dead by police after brutally attacking two women. 

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. Well, we have a very
unusual situation to talk about today. We got news this

(00:29):
week that someone that we interviewed in the past as
an expert on this show was just murdered. So we're
going to talk about the circumstances surrounding that because it's
a little outrageous.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, guys, on Wednesday, I got an email from a listener.
So this is why it's very important that you email
us at the stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. But anyway,
a listener named Patricia from Australia sent me an email
Wednesday that said she was just watching the news and
she said, I recognize somebody that was on one of
your very early external exams, doctor Stephen lynn Worth a Google.

(01:06):
So then I see the attached headline that she sent
that says disgrace celebrity dentists shot by police after attacking
two women.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, it gets crazier though, Like so, so Maria tells
me and I was like, oh my god, why do
you get shot? And go ahead tell them you guys
are just not even gonna believe this, So we had
doctor Stephen Lynn on the very beginning of Mother Nos Death.
We launched on November first, twenty twenty three, and he
was on I think on January fifteenth, twenty twenty four,

(01:38):
like weeks after we launched, right and it was a
really good conversation you guys had. This was before I
joined for interviews too, but he came on our show
at this time. He's this best selling author. He has
hundreds of thousands of followers on social media, he had
a successful podcast, he was married with five kids. He
was seemingly pretty put together, and I just really listened

(02:00):
to the episode and I didn't see any indication that
he wasn't put together. So yeah, I mean, I don't remember.
I don't remember any problems with the episode. I thought
he was really cool. What he had to say was
really interesting, So yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
And the episode was really well received. And I the
only thing I remembered off the top of my head
about it was we had to record it was either
really early for us or him due to the time difference,
and then we had connection issues via this program that
we used, so we did it on zoom. So like,
the sound quality is not one hundred percent the best,
but the interview's pretty good. But this week, he, I guess,

(02:41):
broke into an apartment building and had been going through
people's laundry. He then attacked a woman in the laundry
room before then breaking into a woman's apartment and attacked
her while she was just working from home, and then
jumped out the window. Police showed up at the scene.
He came out them with the knife. They tasted him,

(03:02):
it didn't work, and they had to end up shooting
him and he died.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I mean, well, so, I mean that's not the
guy that I interviewed. I'll tell you that. No, So,
like what's been going on in his life that got
him to that point, because you wouldn't think why would
a dentist be doing that. It sounds like he's having
some kind of a mental break or something.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, yeah, especially because they were saying they don't think
he had any connection to this building or these women.
It was a completely random attack, and he had pinned
the one lady down and was trying to get money
from her. So you're have to think, like, why is
this well established prominent dentist trying to rob a woman
for money? Well, apparently this is what I've gathered from

(03:51):
my research is that when he was on our show,
he had mentioned to you that he had five kids
under five years old with his wife, and that explained no,
and he had three month old twins at that time
in January, right, So what I've gathered is that he
had a child out of wedlock due to an affair

(04:13):
right and the wife found out about the love child
and left him. And after that he started having issues
with meth and around mid twenty twenty four, so important
to note, after he was on our show, he ended
up getting kicked out of his dental practice and then

(04:34):
he just totally spiraled out of control. He had other
assault charges against him, they said days before his death,
he was in Core over allegations he choked and assaulted
a sex worker and stole fourteen hundred dollars from her
last March. And he was having other issues with bail
additional assault charges including choking, and issues with stalking and intimidation.

(04:56):
So this has all gone down in the last two years.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Wow, that's actually really a shame for his kids. And
this is one hundred percent his fault. I mean, of course, yeah,
you you know if your spouse cheats on you. It's
horrible for anybody to go through that, But then like
for a child to come out of it is just
like I can't imagine. I can't imagine going through something

(05:20):
like that, Like it it has to be one of
the worst things a person goes through, and rightfully so.
And then you have five kids with a person. I mean, like,
if you're having five children with somebody, why is your
mind even there to be straying whatever? You know? I mean,
that's that's like side note. But he clearly didn't think

(05:43):
that that was the appropriate punishment for his crime, I guess,
and then like spiraled out of control after that.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, I just don't understand it. And like, I listen
back to the interview and he sounds so smart and
just so put together. He sounded like a really good
dad the way he was talking about integrating proper dental
care in with his kids and what other parents should
be doing. And I just found this so surprising. And
then we just look at his Instagram and he was

(06:13):
posting as of what two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's it's really surprising to me actually, especially his drug
of choice because he was I'm pretty short in the interview,
wasn't he talking about like kids in the apple sauce
pouches and the cavities and like all that kind of stuff.
And it's like the drug of choice he's doing is meth,
which is probably the worst drug to do on It

(06:39):
does the most damage to your teeth of any drug.
He his whole thing was like a mouth brain connection,
right yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
And it's like how did he get there?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Like was he always dabbling in it to some extent
and just on the surface we saw that his life
was together and then he just really spoiled out a
control either, Like I don't exactly know the timeline of
when he started his drug use, but I feel like
it's kind of a random one for somebody of that
like nature, you know.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't I don't know what is going on in
Australia as far as the drug culture goes, because you know,
different different areas of the world have different drugs that
are popular based upon what's available there and things like that.
But at least like in this country anyway, I think
it's it's a misconception to think that it's just a

(07:32):
drug for for like poor, poor poor people or lower
socioeconomic areas. There's people that are plenty successful and wealthy
that are taking that kind of drug too.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
I mean, no, totally. It's like so random.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
It is random, but it's also it's it's speed. It's
like it like maybe he was doing adderall and it
wasn't an offer. He couldn't get a prescription for it anymore.
There's like so many things that could go down. Maybe
the lady that he had the baby with was doing
it and introduced him to and he did it one
night and he liked it. There's all these different things
that could have led to it. And there's plenty of

(08:09):
people that do meth and they don't get They do
it once or something and they don't they don't ever
do it again. So it doesn't make everyone addicted, but
it is a highly addictive drug, and it's it's just
a bad one to ever even try because of you know,
what it does to your teeth, what it does to
your face. Like you look at this video, the most

(08:29):
recent video he did, and you wouldn't ever look at
him and say like, oh, he's a meth head, like
because there are some people have a look. You know,
we've talked about that on the show before, but you
could see that he's he's when you look at how
he looked the day that I did the interview with him,
what was it like it was just two years ago,

(08:53):
Like he looks dramatically different, and you could see that,
like it takes a toll over you over time. But
not to mention just your looks obviously, it's like it
causes brain damage, which his whole thing was like, oh
the mouth teeth connection with the brain and how it

(09:14):
could damage your brain. We were talking about actually a
football player that had died as a result of an
untreated dental absess and it went to his brain, and
that's like that was like one thing that we were
talking about, like how it's really connected. And another thing
is that it just increases your risk of psychosis. So

(09:36):
he might not have been having a mental down spiral
because of the divorce, but the drug itself was causing
the psychosis. Paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, agitated behavior, violent behavior.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, And it's kind of crazy because like he was
actively still posting on his life. I mean, he had
two hundred and fifty thousand followers on Instagram. That's pretty significant,
and he was actively posting until just a couple of
weeks ago, and if you go on the top post
that's pinned the very first one, people are leaving comments
and they're just so surprised by what happened, because I

(10:14):
don't think it was obvious to his followers that he
was having issues. And I don't know how it works
in Australia, but I don't know if their court records
are public like they can be here, So it's I'm
unsure if his followers even knew about the other charges
he had against him over the last two years. But
I mean beating up people and stealing money from them

(10:39):
after you were just this like super prominent best selling author.
He had a hit podcast, he had a very prestigious
dental practice. He was constantly going on like morning news
shows as a commentator, like how do you get here? Yeah,
I'm really curious about it. I mean, I feel terrible
for his wife and his or his ex wife and

(11:00):
his children. I mean they're still they're so little still,
and it's it's like sucks to see to.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Go through that. I'm assuming, like, I mean, if you
get divorced and you have to pay child support for
five kids in alimony and all that crap, like he
could have been in a really bad financial situation, and
a lot of times too, Like let's say you're a
dentist at you're a practice, like a lot of times,
even though your personal life is your personal life, Like

(11:28):
a lot of people don't like that shit, like in
a family environment, like you're cheating on your wife and
like having a baby behind her back and like like
like people don't want the drama associated with that. So
I don't know, like what caused him to stop being
at the practice, did anything? Did it say anything about that?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Nothing specific as of now. I assume more information's gonna
come out.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I get.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's also really important to note that the two women
are seemingly okay that he attacked one of them he
broke her nose and she had to get surgery. And
I don't know about the woman that he attacked in
the laundry room, but it seems like they're both okay.
But how scary that they're just like the one lady's
a photographer working out of her apartment on a on
like a weekday afternoon and this man just breaks in

(12:14):
her house and pins her to the ground, trying to
get money from her.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, I mean, it's it. It happens when you hear
when you hear of like these psychotic fits of people
doing these outrageous things like that. A lot of times
it's like, Oh, the person's on math. It's like that's
the drug that does that to people.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, I just I just really could not believe what
was happening. Like at first, when I shared reading the email,
I was like, oh no, I hope he wasn't attacked.
And I'm like, oh no, he's the attacker.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, It's really it's really unusual. I'm really surprised about it.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, and just the fact that his fan base is
incomplete disbelief. I mean, I haven't really been keeping up
with him since he's been on our show, but I
don't think you see things like this often. I mean,
we had him on It is this expert about dental care.
I wouldn't think you would be in the type of
police altercation later on in his life, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Okay, guys, well I want you to listen to the interview.
We're gonna put it after this and let us know
what you think. Send us some emails or leave us
some comments. We're really curious how what you think and
go check out his Instagram and see if you could
tell that he was addicted to meth in his last
couple of videos. Recently, on Mother Knows Death, we talked

(13:33):
about the unfortunate death of Mike Williams, who was a
former NFL player, and he had died from multiple brain
absesses and stepsist due to a dental infection and poor hygiene.
So I thought today it would be perfect if we
talked to a specialist. So please welcome doctor Stephen Lynn. Hi,
how are you hey?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Stephen Lynn is a functional dentist, author of best selling
book called The Dental Diet, and he is also known
for his podcast, The Mouth Brain Connection and his Instagram
account at doctor Stephen Lynn. And you have some awesome
videos on there and stuff. So I'm really trying to
point people to your Instagram account because I learned so

(14:18):
much from your Instagram, so it's really awesome. But before
we get into this particular case and what you're doing
with your book and social media, can you first tell
us how you decided that you wanted to be a dentist.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yes, so, I mean I was always actually insta kind
of sports. We have a Code of Football Leaguealed Robbie
in Australia, which is kind of like NFL, and I
played that during high school years and I thought, you know,
I like sports. I thought I wanted to get into
kind of physio kind of things, but I found that

(14:56):
I actually was more kind of fined into the medical science.
And I applied to both medical and dental school and
got into both. But the mouth really drew me in
because of the hands on aspect of it. So I
found the dentist school was much more connected to this
kind of hands on connection both the patient but also

(15:16):
the surgical side as well, So that really drew me
into the dentistry itself. And then I got kind of
hooked with the whole connection between the mouth and the
entire body, and in particular, which is actually really interesting
about this case is the connection between the mouth and
the brain, which is actually the cause of death with
the case that you spoken about, And that's actually what
I've been following, yes, my whole career, which is really interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, that sounds cool. So when you so you went
through a dental school and everything, which is is a
very vigorous program and everything, and then you get out,
I'm not sure exactly how dental school works. Do you
have to do like a residency type thing once you graduate?
How does that work?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
So in some countries you do, like I think in
the US for the majority of most states, you do
do a residency. But for in Australia, I did a
postgraduate degree, so I first studied bio medical sciences and
then I went into a postgraduate dental doctorate degree where
you come out and you're a practicing dentist, so you
basically go out into private practice once you graduate. And yes,

(16:23):
so like that's kind of where my career started, and
you're right into the dental education is very vigorous and
it's very time intensity, and then you're kind of looking
in a finish and it's like this kind of you know,
you're through the hard thing. But I found that through
my career. But there's a lot of questions popping up
with patients with oral health and the things that are

(16:46):
experiencing and in a lot of cases, what parents were
asking me about their kids and what their kids were
experiencing with both prooping, tea, nutritional issues, decay that weren't
being answered by conventional textbooks, and so it led me
into a kind of a deeper investigation as to why
diseases occur, and actually let into the work of a

(17:06):
dentist that went around the world in the nineteen thirties
trying to connect how nutrition was driving the modern detal
disease that we see today. You know, deatal diseases can
cause death, they can cause infections that ultimately can be
life threatening, and when we have these conditions, it's against

(17:29):
our biologies. So in my you know, when I see
these things in patients, I'm thinking, you know, this shouldn't
be happening. You know, thirty six year old NFL players
shouldn't be dying from detal infections. Of why is this happening?
And there's actually a big connection into nutrition and to
how we eat and how we nourish our teeth and
bone system, which is fundamental to human health. And when

(17:51):
you miss that, then you get detal disease. Then all
the other conditions flow on because of that. And so
all of the other conditions like digestive issues had a
balky shees, like diabetes and autoimmune condition all had connections
with the fundamental issues that we see in the mouth first,
and so a lot to show people how oral health
connects to the whole body, and that we all should

(18:14):
be thinking that way.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, it's really crazy with this case because this guy,
he's so young, thirty six, and he absolutely did not
have to die from this. This was just like going
to the dentist's routine checkups, just brushing teeth and things
like that and taking care of problems. And it seems
he might not have really known that that was causing

(18:38):
his problem. He probably had a really horrible pain in
his mouth, but up until the day before he died,
he was actually he's a former NFL so he was
working as an electrician and something hit his head and
the next day he felt really bad and went to
the hospital. He actually well, someone called nine one one.
He was really bad, gets to the hospital and they

(19:00):
do a CT scan on his head and he has
multiple brain abscesses, so clearly and sepsist, so clearly it
wasn't from the injury of whatever hit him in the head,
and he just went on. I mean, he was alive
for a couple of weeks afterwards, but he was put
on hospice and he died from sepsist. And they found
out that that there was absesses in his tooth root,

(19:23):
and it's just it's so unfortunate to think that way.
But since I don't really know if you're familiar with
the way things are in America, but this is like
one of my hugest complaints is that if I want
to I everything is surrounded around paying to go to
the hospital and for we get health insurance and it's

(19:43):
not covered. Dental insurance is usually not covered at all.
I know that I personally pay out of pocket for
myself and my children because I don't want to go
to some like factory that is associated with my husband's insurance.
And I think a lot of time, and I'm even
fortunate to do that because a lot of times people
just can't afford it or whatever. And I think that

(20:06):
a lot of times people just blow it off because
they don't every time they go to the dentist, it's
five hundred dollars, fifteen hundred dollars. But if I go
to get major surgery and my colon removed, it it's
a ten dollars copay, you know what I mean. It's
just it's I think that that's a problem in America
at least, well, it's.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
A problem everywhere because I mean, the problem is the
dental sciences and the medical sciences are disconnected, and you know,
you really notice that as a dental practitioner as you
go out into the world. So what happens is that basically,
you know, medical practitioners aren't trained in dental medicine nearly

(20:48):
at all. You know, they don't have any kind of
oral diagnosis. So this former NFL player had multiple truth
roots that were that were basically cut off at the
crown level, so there was just a root left in
the gun. And you know, so basically that they were
he had multiple dental infections and so this is probably

(21:09):
why there are multiple brain infections as well. But so
that's a long standing problem, you know, and when you
don't have access to to to regular dental care, you know,
I know, insurance in the US is is very kind
of convoluted as to how you access it, and there's
a there's a huge economic which is all around the world.

(21:30):
The problem is too, is that you know, you'll go
to a practitioner you say that he wasn't feeling well
a year or so before. It's very rare that you'll
get a general practitioner have any meaningful conversation with dentistays
to try to connect to any kind of systemic issues.
So for instance, those the signs that he was having

(21:51):
inflammatory markers would have been in his blood for some time.
The oral examination is super quick. You can see there's
a problem. You take dental three D exam, you take
an X ray and you can see an abscescess straight away,
So you get straight to the problem that a general
practitioner may pick up years down the track because they're

(22:11):
not going to look in the mouth and there not
going to directly see that there's a tooth that's rotten inside,
that's then infecting the jawbone, that is then running up
into the cranial nerves into the brain, and there's you know,
we know that the bacteria, for instance, in the mouth
has multiple rolls throughout the body. We know it connects

(22:33):
to heart conditions, So inflammation in the gums can link
to certain types of infective ndocard artists of the heart.
But they also show that ND stage periodonal disease will
have bacterial colonies that will then go attalize in the
liver and then you have changes with type two diabetic
type diabetics with oral bacteria. So what happens is that

(22:57):
the fecal bacteria of a type two back diabetic is
far different to a person with a normal metabolism. But
the oral bacteria is the first thing that changes. And
it's actually the the oral microbiome that is kind of
priming all these changes in the gut. And then what
we pick up later down the track as a digestive problem,

(23:18):
as you know, when people are getting the cold resect
and things like that. The mountains is such a great
diagnostic tool, and you know, you really mentioned it in
terms of a health care application. If people had good
access to dental care that was mindful of how oral
care fits to the rest of the body, we would

(23:39):
have a healthcare system that is so much more efficient
where deaths like this the case that we're talking about,
just don't happen. So I think it's really important to
kind of think like that. It's like, you save so
much money, for instance, these dental careries. So that the
hole with this ex player had in his teeth years

(24:00):
and years and years and years before what was presented
when he went to the hospital with the head injury.
So if he had prevented him working again, preventing nutrition
work if they found those inflammatory markers early, it could
have all been prevented. Both in an emergency setting if
the teeth are taking out, but if you go back
a decade and you fix his diet and you and

(24:21):
we get these these teeth under control, then he's never
going to have those those issues that then unfortunately caused
his death.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's weird because when I was in PA school, one
of the first things when we started learning the GI
track is that the mouth and the teeth are the
first part of the GI track, So it is it's
weird that in medicine though it's not counted that way.
It's like, oh, these are these pretty little cosmetic things
in the front of your mouth where they're so important

(24:52):
because if that doesn't work, it could just cause problems
for the rest of your GI track. So it's interesting
that you just said that, because a couple weeks ago
I interviewed a GI specialist who was talking about like
leaky gut in microbiome and stuff, and I know, you
just don't really think about that. I guess it starts
in the mouth and then that's how it ends up

(25:13):
causing pathology in the rest of the body.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Really, absolutely and leaky gut and intestinal permeability is one
of the biggest kind of progressions in medisine where where
medical practitioners are kind of switching on to the fact that, hey,
when your digestive system is leaky, when the barrier isn't
working well, you've got ninety percent of your immune system
sitting in the gut. And then what happens is you

(25:36):
get this cross talk between what you eat and your
environment and your immune system, and the whole thing goes
hey wire. And they're showing that chronic diseases are all
connected to how the gut is interfacing with this barrier.
So they said, leaky gut, you get all these conditions
like all roo immune conditions, digestive issues, and eating the brain.
Like the gut brain connection is the big discussion there

(25:57):
as well. But gums is the first sign of that
intestinal permeanability starting to happen. And it's also the verst
sign that you can measure the bacterial changes that are
beginning to shift that will end up and being intestinal
permeability or leaky guts. So if people had their eyes closely,
you know, focused on their oral health, we can get

(26:21):
such a powerful connection to preventive medicine that is like, Okay,
so you've got bleeding gum, now you need to fix
your diet, how you're sleeping, how you're breathing. These kind
of things are at easy preventative measures that we can
get control of the whole system.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
On your Instagram, you show videos and I like them
because they're very quick and to the point, but they're
very specific to children. And I have two. I have
three kids, but I have two little kids that are
still forming. And when I when I watch your videos,
I'm like, oh my god, I'm such a bad parent.
Like everything, everything that you're saying not to do, I do.

(26:57):
So I'm going to go through these things because I
think that like lots of people that are listeners or parents,
and and I want to have some of your advice
as far as as how to get your kids out
of this or if you've done damage already, that's too late.
One of the things that you say is that kids
shouldn't have cereal or period fruit. So I mean, I

(27:20):
feed my kid's cereal breakfast for breakfast every day, and
they have like those those fruit pouches. They like those
things too. And you were also talking about which was
kind of mind blowing to me is that you have
some control over your kids having crooked teeth. Can you
explain that?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yes, So, the dentists that I spoke about in the
nineteen thirties showed that our diet in one generation, when
you eat the modern diet and when we go off
ancestrally what humans were eating for thousand thousand years, our
teeth become crooked and decay goes up to thirty percent
where the modern race are and kids to the the

(28:00):
biggest sufferers of dental decay today. You know, fifty percent
of kids have a hole around the Western world by
the age of six, and these numbers are rising. And
the issue is that we've seen it as a both
a brushing problem and a sugar problem. And the sugar
problem is right, but it's superficial in the way that
we understand why dental disease is happening in kids when

(28:23):
we feed them, you know, carbohydrate laden food. So the
studies show that both sugar and simple flowers which turns
into sugar. So when you chew like a bread or
like a cracker or like a grain, it turns basically
into sugar. Carbohydrate breaks down and that carbohydrect breaks to sugar,
and it's metabolized in a very similar way by the
bacteria that fuels decay. So carbohydrates fuel decay in a

(28:48):
very similar way as sugar. So that's why I try
to get parents to kind of think when a child
has carbohydrates, it's very similar to sugars. So any kind
of grains, any kind of passes, kind of any kind
of uh, you know, the cereals and so forth, all
has these simple cup hydrates in them, and kids are
just that they're just locked on. Once they have these

(29:10):
kind of foods, they're very difficult to feed anything else
I've got. I've got five kids, all under five and
coming through it's it's it's crazy. But like so what
I've tried to implement with it, it is like, so
if you give them nutrient dense foods, can we change
their palate? Can we change the way there their their
food craving systems work. But the key is fat solble

(29:34):
theres vitamin D that is actually the core regulator of
how the skeletal system grows and develops. So vitamin D
is how our teeth mineralized, how our bones mineralize, and
we are a population that is deficient in vitolin and D.
And this is what these dentists the dirty show that
he showed that traditional cultures ate foods that were heavy

(29:55):
in fat solble vitamin So this is like fatty meat,
it's like organs, it's like eggs, dairy, all of these
things have fat sold vitamin that's vitamin A, vitamin D,
and vitamin K two which not many people have heard of.
There's actually a partner for vitamin D. And what they
do is we know that vitamin D. For instance, when

(30:16):
you're adequate in vitamin D, your body absorbs calcium. So
if you're deficient in vitamin D, which everyone should get
tested for, and even kids too, So if your child
has any kind of DENTALI issue, you should know they're
vitamin D levels because the simple thing you can help
reduce their rates of decay and so forth. And what happens, though,
is that when you have low vitamin D, the klebs

(30:39):
will go up. So if we eat foods that are
rich in vitamin D, you have to eat fat, you
have to eat saturated fat, you have to eat foods
that are whole animal fats that carry these nutrients because
vitamin D doesn't come in many foods. It doesn't come
in in grain, it doesn't come in reds, it doesn't
come in any kind of you know, fruit product, even vegetables,

(31:00):
So plant products don't have these nutrients. They are only
in animal based foods that are heavily based around the
consumption of fat. So the idea of a quite eating
fat instead instead of sugar is kind of a brain
switch for a lot of parents, but it's critical for
their growth and development because it switches on all their foremones.

(31:24):
It nourishes their scaltal system, it heals their guts, so
the digestive system and the intestinal all works well. Because
animal products are full of collagen, which is full of
the amino acids that line the gut, the gut line,
so the skin, we know the coulogroens create the skin.
We know the vitamin as the skin. Well, the skin

(31:44):
is a barrier just like the gut, and it's just
like the gums as well, and so it needs a
lot of vitamin A and collagen and vitamin D to
have a strong lining. And you want kids to have
a strong lining because children today suffer from these inflammatory,
leaky gut issues. They have swollen adnoids and tonsils, they
have exma and they have asthma. They have these inflammatory

(32:06):
conditions because their gut lighting isn't working well because they
don't have these nutrients that help them to form a
strong immune barrier with the wall, so they're not having
reactive symptoms. And then the flow on effect, which is
quite a rabbit hole, is that once you get this
inflammatory profile, you begin to breathe through the mouth, So
a lot of kids breathing through the mouth at night

(32:28):
and both noticeably in the day as well. This deforms
their craning fashion facial structure. So what happens is that
the teeth begin to form crooked because they're not breathing
well and they're not getting the nutrients. So when you
have this jaw, then that is not growing as well.
The airway isn't developed and the child can't breathe through
their nose. Their nose is blocked up, their adnoids and

(32:51):
tonsils are swollen, they their gut is inflamed, and they
have you know, inflammatory leisures, and then their jaws don't develop.
That's why get teeth because they don't breathe well and
they're not getting the nutrients that are messaging with the
body to grow and develop the face so that the
thirty two human teeth that we all should grow and develop,
which so the vast majority of human history have grown,

(33:16):
are now not developing in our children. And you can
spot the signs very quickly between north and five. Basically
you have all the kids that you should the twenty teeth,
the pop up if there are any bite issues, if
there are any kind of problems like kind of mouth breathing,
or pacify use, or thumbsucking, or tongue ties or breastfeeding issues,
all of these things contribute to how the child grows

(33:38):
and develops, and so we can actually intervene. Now, do
you help a child in the early age. You can
grow their palates, so we can do this in our
clinic all the time now where we can grow them
into intervention orthodomics where we try to get the child
to eat better, but we also help authopedically grow the
jaw so that their airway opens up and then the
child can sleep better and that they're postures bitter, they're

(34:00):
standing straight and they're not kind of open mouth and
tongue hanging out and so forth. That's how teeth developed
teeth moved as a result of what we eat, function
and plultually behave. We think it's kind of like these
end stage that it's already done, but it's actually an
environmental input that we all control and parents have a

(34:21):
big control over too.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, it's interesting because it's really interesting that you're saying
this because I have a nine and a ten year old.
And my ten year old eats pretty well and her
teeth are pretty straight and normal. My nine year old
has a ton of she has a ton of problems.
She was diagnosed with a weird autoimmune thing called chronic

(34:44):
non infectious OSTEO. My latest and her blood you know,
we've been getting blood work. She's inflammatory, markers are high
all the time, her vitamin D was low, all of
this stuff, and her teeth are are jacked right, like
we say, so she has to get an expander put
is that what you're talking about? That thing they're putting
on the roof of her mouth, Like next week, she's

(35:06):
getting that done. So I do see. But but more importantly,
she's a horrible eater. I can't I have a hard
time getting her. She doesn't really ever want meat. I
can't even get this kid to to want to eat
a crappy like a McDonald's chicken nugget. She just doesn't
like meat and it's hard for me. So that was

(35:28):
my next question is is how do you feel about
the the vegan and vegetarian diet and like supplementing all
of these things, Like if you're getting protein from pee
and you're getting like vitamin D from taking vitamins, is
that an adequate substitute or not? Really?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean, so first thing, you mean, I feel
to know the journey your daughter's going through, Like it's
it's it's good that you find picked it up now
because it can all be kind of changed. So it's like,
but it's so many people now that are experiencing these
you know, these autoimmune conditions earlier on in life, Like
do you remember kids that had autoimmune issues when you

(36:11):
were growing up? Like this wasn't happening, right, Like, it
just wasn't happening. And so but if we if we
kind of go to the root causes of what causes
an autoimmune issue, is that it's it's the gut, it's
the intestinal permeability. And then so if we heal the gut,
we can we can we can change that, like it's
completely reversible. And then so it's great that so you've

(36:34):
gone down the road of understanding the bloods and so forth.
So we know that she's low envitamin D. So to me,
there's there's there's kind of the biggest strategy here when
we see a nine year old child that this developmentally,
she's right in the big broad space. So it's really
key to do this kind of expansion phase now because

(36:55):
her adult teeth being are now replacing her kids see
that happens between seven and twelve. She's in the middle,
and their jaws are like jelly. They grow like jelly.
It's amazing. And so if they do expansive my functional work,
which is like interventional orthodontics, it helps to grow the paler.
Now there's a nutrient problem where where we have deficiencies

(37:17):
which can be helped through supplementation. There's a dietary issue
where and this is the problem with God, I've got
young girls and feeding them is difficult, like battle them
to eat meat. It's hard. So it's like this is
a problem that all parents are experiencing. It's like and
there's this messaging out there that you know, menat is
kind of bad view and stuff that I think kids

(37:38):
are picking up a fabin two. Even on kids shows,
if you watched everything they are shown that is healthy
is all fruits and vegetables, and there's nothing about eating meat.
So I don't think there's something about the psyche there
with kids that they're kind of a little bit turned
off me in the sense. But then the other thing too,
is that the digestive system, it's very energy tending to

(38:00):
digest meat, and for a child that hasn't eaten kind
of animal products for some time, or they've been offered
or they've had a condition where it's like it's it's
affected their diet, it's like we have to kind of
think of the strategy to get the digestive system. We'll
workless so that they want to eat meat, because they
want to eat it. It's just that their body needs

(38:20):
to kind of have the messaging rights so that they
so that they feel like they can. Because a person
that is, for instance, transitioning off a vegan to vegetarian
diet will feel almost adverse to meat by the smells
and by the father the digestic pain they have from
doing that. So it's quite a process. So we need
to think about how we get the digestive system work,

(38:42):
and sometimes we need to digestive endymes and so forth
that help to break down foods because meats are broken
down in the small intestine, so it's very quick in
terms of the digestive process, doesn't go into the larger
tests on. All of the nutrients are extracted from the
small intestine, and this requires bile release from the liver.
So when when a person doesn't eat a lot of meat,

(39:05):
you don't get a lot of bile release just by
the functionality of it. So we have to prime all
that to happen again. So sometimes the jestic enzymes. Sometimes
things like you know, as the started an apple cider,
beating it just before just before meals, like a very
diluted shot of it can help to we're trying to
think of the acinity of the stummach. But supplements can help,

(39:29):
especially in children. The kind of most definitive way to
kind of correct this kind of stuff and children is
kind of beef liver, So des scated beef liver. You
can somehow anyway sneak that into something that will give
them this the full spectrum. I think it's difficult otherwise
I believe this.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I meet her a smoothie once and I snuck two
pieces of like spinach in it, just with the fruit,
and she picked it up that it was off, like
it's it's hard to just like, yeah, make it strawberry
smoothie and just put some like beef liver in there.
She just you know what I mean, Like I just
think her, no, no.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Totally, I'm totally Lydio. Like it's like we were so
I would use to give cod little role to our kids.
I'd just pour it in their milk when they were younger,
and like they're all onto it now, like that that
they washed me at the fridge and they're like if
I pour anything in their milk, they're smelling it. And
it's like and like so and they're they're under five, right,
so I can't do it anymore. So it's like we

(40:31):
have to sneak it in by a kind of beef
mince and like it's it's really really hard, and like
it's because their palates are kind of shooted to this
modern part of your Blander diet. You know, liber tastes
really strange, So it's hard. Supplementation can works. So if
we know, for instance, child's lower vitamin D bottom D
supplementation should be an absolute mus because we know that

(40:54):
that we know that there's there's benefits there both to
kind of raise the levels, but then for the all
the subsequent issues that associated with auto immune issues. For instance,
I'd be looking to get her levels up probably between
sixty to eighty nagres fermilla lea, which macing quite high,
but we would want to see her autoimmune markers come

(41:16):
right down. And you have to remember too that vitamin
D also runs the immune system as well, so it
actually there's on every immune cell there's a vitamin D receptor,
and so once the immune system gets enough vitamin D,
it calms down, so all of the inflammatory autoimmune messages

(41:36):
calm down. So the body needs enough vitamin D to
come inst down first, but then once it gets enough,
then it has to go to work to start mineralizing
the tea and start mineralizing the bones. So you need
an adequate vitamin D and and support nutrients in order
for the body to then start to work on the teeth.

(41:57):
First thing is to get the inflammatory markets down, the
digestive issues, and the autoimmune markers, but then the teeth there.
It did come later. So high vitamin D levels is
where we want to go with its support nutrients. Vitamin
D should always be taken with vitamin K two. We
should be thinking about some kind of vitamin A potentially
because it's a partner with VITTOM and D. And then

(42:19):
the big one that I'm seeing a lot in kids
especially don't a lot of meat, is iron levels. So
iron is off so low in kids today and it
affects their sleep. And then so with iron, just putting
iron is difficult. So you need B twelve, you need
fole eight, you need the active B vitamins. And one

(42:40):
thing that affects these is the mt hf ar gene.
Have you heard of that one?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I think I've heard of it, But do you want
to do you want to explain it?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
So the mt hf far gene is a methylation gene.
And what it does is it's a very simple swap
test that you can get very commonly in America. It's
very easy to get. And what it tells you is
is a couple of the genes that sometimes get switched
shop epigenetically. So it's not like in our inheritance. It's
like in our environment. And what these MTh genes do

(43:12):
is they methylate nutrient pathways. So if a child or
an adult has mthf far, the nutrient pathways don't work
very well. And these include the FOLL eight pathway, the
B twelve pathway, and the B six pathway. And what
happens is that they don't efficiently take in these b viottoments.
So you eat and you can get these from plant foods,

(43:33):
but they don't efficiently convert them into their active forms.
Then you get these systems that are all gummed up
and they're not working with They have deficiencies, but they
also have the build up of what's called homos disting,
and that's something to check as well. So when you
have high homer system, that's an inflammatory marker that means
your body and your liver is basically kind of trying

(43:53):
to deal with this methylation pathways that aren't working very well.
The end stage is oft an iron efficiency. Iron requires
all these be nutrients to work. But if a child
has mt hf par, you can supplement the methylated sp
the methylated bees that help the pathways move and the
whole thing just works better. So the child is completely

(44:16):
free of the problems of the methipulation issue. Now that
helps their metabolism start to work, then we can start
to okay, so iron levels will hopefully start to come
up because their bees are working a bit better. Then
we can start working on fat sol the vitamins which
are the real stores, the D, the A, the K
two that help to kind of build the bone, build

(44:36):
and build them and build the teeth as well. One
thing too with palatal expansion is that often you get
sleep issues. So when a child has a narrow pallette,
they struggle to breathe through the nose at night and
this will manifest with mouth breeding, teeth grinding restlessly, bed wetting,
night terrors. So poor sleep and poor sleep will make

(44:57):
all of everything we just spoke about worse because the
child can't get rest and they are in an autonomic
fight or flight sleep pattern. So doing expansion and building
and teaching the child to breach and those at night
and giving them the structure to helps all of this
as well. So when we work with the nutrients, when
we work on the structure, then the child then starts

(45:20):
to be kind of a bit different because they're sleeping,
they're feeling a bit better because they're rested. Like I
imagine choking all night, which a lot of children and
adults are doing. Now, that's what sleep up here is,
and how you feel in the morning. You feel anxious, right,
and you don't feel like kind of your digestive system
doesn't work because your brain doesn't get to restep that

(45:40):
through the night. So a lot of this is based
in sleep and how all these things time together to
make us feel.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, it's all so interesting. It's kind of like overwhelming
just to think about all these different things that are
going on in our bodies all at one time and
how to control them. Especially. I feel like with adults
it's a little bit easier and kids. You know, we
just had the same kid. I was talking about blood
work done and her iron's really low and I'm trying,

(46:09):
you know, I try to say like, Okay, we're gonna
have to eat these foods, and she doesn't want you know,
she's nine. She doesn't want to. So it's just it's
just like all the time. But as far as the
vitamin D goes too, that's also a vitamin that we
get from going outside and being in the sun. Right,

(46:31):
do you think that this like huge movement. Because if
you ever go to one of the events like at
my kid's school or something, for instance, every parent's out
there like spraying all this suntan lotion on their skin.
Do you think that that has some kind of effect
as to what's getting absorbed?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
It absolutely does. So bottom of D is a very
complex pathway to get to it exact for from some
it also involves the different rays of lots that you
have a different at the different times of day. So
when you don't expose yourself, and I think this also
concludes when you the age of exposure, so you don't

(47:10):
get exposure to sunlight when you're young, you don't have
systems right to be able to absorb bottom D to
its active form. And so that one of the big
factors to is cholesterol. So cholesterol is what is the
precursor to vitamin D. So precursor is stored in the
in the skin and you have the cholester you have

(47:34):
this cholesterol precursor in the skin. Light hits that precursor
and then it travels to the liver to be converted
to bottom of D. Then it has to go to
the kidney where it's activated with magnesium to become the
active form of vitamin D. If you don't either, if
you don't have a fat heavy diet, and you you
will have these these reactions the sunlight lay burning. So

(47:54):
it's like in in my kids, what I've done is
like I've kind of made sure they've had a lot
of fat heavy meat products and butters and eggs and everything.
They go out in the sun out and they're like,
you know, they've barely been burned. But we live in
Australia and the Australian uv is very strong. We obviously
don't fry them. But if they get morning exposure where

(48:17):
you can't burn in the morning, right, like you just
kind of get exposure, your body is primed for the
vitamin D creating light, which is between ten and two
pm depending on your geographical latitude. Then your body is
ready for us. So it's like just covering up kids

(48:39):
is like kind of you know, not the solution because
you're not letting them go through this process of forming
vitamin D. Yeah, they need to be like if you
live in the Arizona desert or something like that, they
need to be covered up here or there. But there
has to be some kind of consideration as to how
they're also getting the nutrient as well.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, I've been trying to. I I kind of have
switched my tune. I used to be this like one
cause because I work in pathology, so I see cancer
all the time. So I'm like always scared about this,
and I think that there's just we in medicine in general,
we go through these extremes that like, Okay, it's been
known that sunlight causes cancer, so just like, don't ever

(49:21):
have sun exposure again, and and there's a fine balance.
So I have been this year, I've been. I bought half,
if not seventy five percent as much of suntan lotion
as I normally do, and I let the kids go
out in the pool for a couple hours and they
come in and go out and come in and we
have we didn't have one sunburn at all that that

(49:43):
that had to be addressed. But they they got a
nice hand on their skin. And also I'm like they're
getting they're getting what they need from the sun. So
I was just curious on your thoughts about that because
a lot of people are just so anti letting, you know,
letting your kids be outside without suntann lotion.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
On. Yeah, it's a fact that like let me think
if your children or they have any suns to bottom
ded deficiency, like any kind of teeth, any kind of
you know, inflammatory autoimmunication, they need sunlight, they don't need it,
and you have to be kind of mindful. You know,
kid's skin is gentle, right, so like here, of course
you'll think about protection everything. But one strategy that's kind

(50:21):
of quite safe is like if parents are really nervous
about it, take them out into the sunlight before ten am,
because like before ten they're not going to burn, like
it's the angle of the sun is, you know, they're
not going to burn. Watch how their skin reacts to it,
and like, you know, feel comfortable because I know it's
you know, it's a little bit kind of nerve racking,

(50:43):
like thinking about burns and cancers and so forth. But
give them a few days where they just go out
into a full sun exposure before ten am and see
how the skin reacts, and you know, maybe take it
to a eleven am after that and then see how
they react to that. Because some kids will burn easier
and they have to be watched. That might be a
way to kind of step into it.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Getting back to what we were talking about with the
with the leaky gut and the microbiome and everything. What
do you think about oral allergy syndrome. It's something that
it's a weird thing that I had when I was
a kid. Well I still have it now, and then
one of my kids has it too. And my mom

(51:26):
always jokes because she breastfed me till I was like
two years old, and she's just like, I did everything
right with you. I don't understand why you're allergic to everything.
And I mean I'm telling every single fruit and vegetable
I put my mouth like itches my mouth at some point,
but I still eat most of them anyway, and I
don't feel like it gives me any additional problems, but

(51:48):
especially with my little one, like I can't even really
get her to eat vegetables unless they're cooked. When they're cooked,
it doesn't do it. I'm just curious if that's part
of that whole process or if that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
I would say it's related. So when so when we're
thinking about kind of algae, it's like your body telling
you I'm not liking that right, So like obviously we'd
be listening to what you know, is kind of creating
those reactions because it's like your body's saying, you know,
I'm not that happy with that. But the kind of
the the the underlying cause is the is the gut line.

(52:26):
So remembering that the nine percent of the immune system
is down on the gut when we have allergic reactions,
so like stuff like you know, like if people are
too allergic, it's their immune system that is not happy
with the environment. So it's like instead of thinking, you know,
some people have like true allergies where it's like you know,
they kind of peen out there, kind of block and

(52:47):
so forth. Like that's there's a few kind of examples
of that, but things that are kind of like just
like inflammation like that, I kind of more think about
it as that again, something going on with the immune
system that is that is not making it not happy,
and it goes back to these deficiencies. It's like everyone

(53:10):
expresses this differently, and it's even the deficiencies are passed
from a breastfeeding marbler. So I'm really kind of tragically
seeing this in a lot of young kids now whose
parents are breastfeeding them and even feeding them, you know,
animal heavy diets because it's like an epigenetic thing that

(53:31):
is kind of related to both deficiencies in the parents.
So if the parents are deficient, if they don't have
adequate nutrients, it passes by the breast. The study show
that bottom D deficiency will pass through the breast book
from mother to child. So it's like we're passing on
these these things that are slowly getting worse generationally. And

(53:54):
then so then and then if you eat the modern diet,
you're going to get you to keep going down this track.
So it really kind of takes a reconnection to two
you know, historical levels of bottom the day. So like
it means kind of eating like liver, like it like
it means bone broke, which is I know, it turns

(54:15):
like it's weird.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Right, Like, well, it's just weird for me because I've
done so many autopsies and like I know, it has
the smell and the smell smell. It smells the same
in the cow as it doesn't, you know what I mean,
Like I have like that weird correlation thing. But maybe
I mean, like I'm sure my dad ate it as
a kid and stuff and it was fine, you know, Yeah,

(54:39):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
That's yeah, because I've done you know, head and neck
dissections and everything. It's like, yeah, but the the flesh
side of things and put you know, when you're actually
kind of touching it or everything, it's a whole other
thing than buying something off the supermukel show, which is
probably actually part of you know, part of the prostitute.

(55:01):
We are a bit disconnected with how that connection to
you know, how food reaches a plate and so forth.
But yeah, like historically, if you look around, like traditional
cultures had organs and nose to tale eating cuisine, any
cuisine around the world, it's no to tail, it's like

(55:22):
liver everything. It's like they treasured these these parts of
the animal because they knew they created healthy kids. But
they knew it. And so the Native Americans, you know,
the buffalo, they would use every part of it, and
they would eat like the even the colon, like full

(55:42):
of of feces, even they would they would give that
to females to eat because they knew the bacteria that
would create good fertility and so forth. And the men
would eat the testicles and so forth, because it's full
testosterone and the bats of vitaments, and the liver is
kind of like the dance part of the it's the
most nutrient that's field on the planet. It's where the

(56:04):
body stores all the nutrity. We kind of think of
it as a as a portal for for toxins and everything,
but it's actually where the body stores all the nutrients.
And you'd probably follow that through, you know, through through
all top of this and everything. How connected with the
liver is everything to the body. Yeah, it's this weird
kind of flip that we we've unlatually gone through. And

(56:28):
it's difficult. You know, my kids, I struggled to get
my kids won the straight So it's like we have
to hide it. But you know, kind of as they
grow upa I'm going to try to get them to
think of it in the way that hey, you need
to eat this. But it's going to be a challenge,
is no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
So now I have an idea. I'm going to try
to make like a liver a cookbook. It's like just thinking,
I really like to cook. And it's and that's another
thing too, because like when I was working at the
hospital full time and my husband's a fire fighters so
he works a lot too. We I just didn't have
time to like cook real meals. I just didn't. I

(57:06):
was getting home at like seven o'clock at night every night.
And now that I'm doing this, i'm doing the podcasting
and writing for my website, I have more of a
flexible schedule that I could cook like real dinner for
my family almost every night. And I do definitely see
a change with that. But it's funny because I'm just
trying to think, like, oh, what can I mix together
to make liver taste more appealing to my family?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yes, it one night. Yeah, there's a fair There's a
very few kind of uh you know, like kind of
traditional cuisines that have some way I used to kind
of that, but you can kind of hide it with
his sources. It kind of hard liver. When it's cooked
too much, it's it gets kind of really the smell
comes out the roll liver is actually it is far

(57:50):
less kind of taste to it. Uh yeah, kind of
so if it's cooked much later and softer, so once
it kind of get you right more it gets it's
hard and kind of tough, and it's just not nice
to eat. But like closer to you know, roared media,
rare raw, it's like soft and like the tastes less overpowering,

(58:11):
and it could be dised up with regular meals. Paters
are kind of a way that you know, the French
always used to do it as well. But it takes
time too. That's it's so true that you know things
like you know, the bone rolls and so forth. It
takes time. It's it's it's definitely a less convenient way,
but there's there's ways to do it, you know, there's

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modern ways to to to introduce this back to our
family's diets.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
So that so in your book The antal Diet, do
you I mean, obviously you have this whole connection to
the body, not just for teeth in general. So is
this stuff that you talk about in your book like
different ways to introduce this kind of stuff into your
family's diet.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah. Absolutely, So it's a forty day playing in there
with some meals and everything live a kind of you
know where where where you can get it in. Yeah,
the kind of the beef liver and the mids mix
I find is good, but you know, pants and things
of that. There's lots of recipes in there, but there's
lots of ways to kind of go about it. But

(59:15):
the dental diet is kind of my modernized version of
what this this Daners was running in the thirties, and
the modern science as to the breathing and the chronic
facial structure of the nutrients, the microbiro and the bacteria.
Like I was so interested in all this science that
I was never taught in dental school and everything we've
discussed here, I wasn't taught in dental school. So like,

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I felt that parents out there needed to kind of
know that, hey, you can change your kids, you know,
trajectory with their health and their teeth if they eat
eat better. And so that's why I wrote the book
so that they could understand it, like trying to get
the signs simple, Like there's like three or four hundred
references in there, but I try to make it simple
for people to understand and also to the there's practical

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applications and to kind of realize, you know, why we've
got the cereals and brains on now on our on
our breakfast tables now, and how we can reprogram ourselves
to to change that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's it's crazy because when I was working in the
pathology department like fifteen years ago, there was this pathologist,
and she was she was a gi pathologist, and she
was all on the leaky gut thing, and everybody kind
of thought she was like they thought she was a
fleak and she was hardcore, like no, you know, And
now I love it makes me feel good that she

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that she was right about everything she was saying, because
everything she was saying sounded so good to me. And
so I love that you that you went on Instagram
and like, what, well, what did you do first? Did
you write the book first or you started the Instagram first?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I wrote the books, so I was yes, I wrote
the book first. And I was actually training dentists, so
I wasn't that big on kind of socials. So my
kind of first this approach was just like, hey, I
better get this out to dentist. And I was going
through America and Australia and so forth with a training
program for debnist to teach their patients how to kind

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of understand this stuff. And it wasn't cutting through the
way that I would hope it too. And I got
this book deal in the US, which was like huge
in which came out in twenty eighteen, and it got
published in seven languages, which was like a big thing.
I was like, wow, so the audience here is actually
the consumer. It's actually the parents that the ones that

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you need to switch the lights on because practitioners take time.
Science is slow. Like your colleague she was stating published
literature that was published about fifteen years ago. She was
talking about this like manner of fact, saying, hey, you've
got to look at testin permability. This is important for

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disease risks. And all of this was around for ten years,
but it takes nineteen years for published literature to really
reach the mainstream kind of applicable clinical you know, where
patients are actually receiving it. So that's where kind of
a you know, once the book came out, I was like,
oh no, we have to get this out to socials
so that people can actually you know, changes today, because

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if they wait around for their doctors to tell them,
you know, we're going to be waiting ten years. So
it's like, let's get parents out there changing their food
and understanding how their how their dietary habits now, in
their cooking habits, and everything can get influence, you know,
because kids development is really important. Like this is happening
right from day dot and it's happening right up until
the twenty Wisdom Teeth Company. At twenty that's when it

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kind of finalizes, you know, at twelve or thirteen, that's
kind of like the eighty percent and then they go
through twenty percent more development. But there's so much change
that parents can make, you know, just by simple switches.
Everyone's busy, and everyone's kind of you know, you know,
challenge with kind of dealing with this stuff, but like

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there are simple things that people can implement.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
It's I say this all the time. Me and my
friend talk about this all the time, like we should
have done something like this when the kids were six
months old, because I feel like if you never introduced
them to certain things, then they're not going to be
I mean, I guess they eventually go to school, Like,
but I send my kids to school with lunch, and
they came home with stuff that I didn't even send

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them with. And I'm like, where do you we trade?
They trade all their food, So I guess eventually they
would learn to eat other foods. But it now, it
it's I sit there and I just feel so bad
because I'm like, why did I ever introduce them the
fruity pebbles like that. I'm the one that bought them.
I brought them in the house and I feed it
to them. But I want to make them eggs and

(01:03:44):
breakfast every morning. But like now I feel like they're
going to be like, no, I want my fruity pebbles,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It's hot holing moll with. My son's about to go
to school next year, and I'm like, it's all going
to stop once.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
They haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
They have a rule at the school that they're not
because they're afraid of like a kid has a peanut
allergy and all that, but they do it anyway, you know,
they're kids.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like my kids are
sneaking around and kind of like they're already onto what
they don't have. And they asked me, they asked me
that does this have sugar in it? And like stuff,
and they're always trying to The girls are especially the most.
They're sneaky, like they are like the girls are like
kind of like they will grab like some if they
see a chocolate or something, they will and they'll run

(01:04:30):
part in their room to eat and later and things
like that, and like they are very very strategic with
how they're getting there, you know there, and we've actually
got three months year old twins, a boy and girl,
So it's like it's all gonna they're going to have
like this influence that I feel is not as controlled
as what the first three had. Yes, look, it's it's

(01:04:51):
incredibly different. Difficult. Parenting is so hard and these things
it's it's obviously very easy to can't talk about these things,
but applying them to kids it's difficult. So like I
kind of just tell you know, we see parents all
the time. We talk about this kind of stuff with
kids that have a lot of issues in their out
that you know you have to do what you can
do and you know you have to make compromise and
you can't be at ease with it, like it is

(01:05:12):
what it is. You know, we live in businesscidies where
we're at. But if we're kind of switched on and
we know, for instance, if we're supplementing a kid BUTTA
and D and we know their B levels and we
know what's going on, and we know that you know,
they're getting a nutrient dens kind of food once or
twice or three times a week that we're at least
kind of making nervous steps, like you know, all those

(01:05:34):
things can contribute and we just do what we can. Yeah,
it's parenting is really hard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Oh I know, trust me, I've been doing it my
whole Well, you spoke with my older daughter earlier and
she's she's married and out of the house. She's twenty
nine years old. But the little ones are are you know,
and it's like a whole new world that I'm raising
them in. So of course it's it's it's the food.

(01:06:00):
It is like the minimal problem of compared to like
the other problems that are happening right now. Are you so,
are you like working on any other projects, like what's
going on with you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Yeah? So we I mean our we've just opened a
new dental clinic called Helix Dentistry, but our yeah so.
My my podcast Amount Brain Connection kind of explores this.
This we we look at We get and medical specialist
from all around the world to really dive down into
these these areas that are the parents are struggling with.

(01:06:33):
Like we have a big focus of parents, but we
have a big focus on adults too, So adults sleep
happening is a big issue. So we dive into those
issues where how do we fix these things, you know,
in both kids and adults. And actually we mentioned before
that you said adults are easier. Well, actually kids are
a lot easier when you kind of because they're so
malleable and they change so easy. When you've got this

(01:06:54):
problem and you kind of go back through the story,
you realize that all these things happen when you're kind.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Of yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Yeah. And actually the interesting thing will be for your
daughter when she eventually has kids going through this journey
with her, you know, because obviously there's there's that kind
of what you've learned as a parent going through and
then what we see, yeah it's grandparent is kind of like, yeah,
a whole other things too. So yeah, my website's doctor

(01:07:26):
steam live dot com. We have a lot of resources
and everything up there, and just trying to get the
word out through socials as well, you know, based the
simple tips for parents to to really improve these for
their kids.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Last today, Yeah, your Instagram's awesome. I love it. Just
the videos are like short, sweet, to the point, and
you're like, oh, okay, that makes it all makes sense.
You know, it's just a matter of putting it into place.
But thank you so much for being here today. It
was awesome. And everybody should get your book. I see
it's on audio too, so they're my favorites is Audible

(01:07:59):
Books because and I could clean my house and do
that and listen. So and your Instagram too, they should
definitely check out. And what's the deal with your You
have a podcast too, right, is that something you're actively doing?

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Yeah, so we've got a weekly podcast coming up and
that's The Mouth Brain Connection that's on iTunes and Spotify,
and yeah, it's kind of these kind of conversations with
doctors and you're just exploring, you know, problems that people
are experiencing out of the Wilbo.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Yeah, that's really awesome. Well, congratulations, you're doing awesome and
it seems like everything every it's being well received, which
is great because, like I said, people were blowing this
off years ago and now they're listening and I love that.
So thanks for being here with us today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, I hope it
helps them. Yeah, really interested in diving into all the
other episodes of your work too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
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