December 5, 2024 • 35 mins
Do YOU know it’s Christmas?? Kevin and Casey do. So in this very special Omar they tackle a classic 80s supergroup anthem. Does this Band Aid cut heal our boys or is it too much of a boo-boo?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Come morning, give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Gome morning, give it a you want to give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Just Casey's wearing? Should I tell them you? No, don't,
Please don't tell them. I don't, won't tell them, tell them, yo,
I'll tell them the one thing I really want them
(00:30):
to know. Yeah, Casey, Because honestly, it's important. This is
a very special episode. Before we even start, we definitely
advocate for sick. I don't know where this is going.
All safe practices sexually, and I just want to let
you know that Casey is definitely wearing a condom right now.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, of all times, at all times for safety.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Why would I not? Just in Casey, but I am
watching the screen and if you cannot see, my man,
case is wearing what is known in the biz as
a Santa hat. Actually it's like a cool kind of
like duck hunter Santa hat thing too, yeah, or like
what are those like Russian hats? You know? Yeahs flaps?
(01:22):
Yeah it do you know that kind? You know that kind?
And you have any reason why because we're gonna do
a Hanaga song.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's right, that would never be on it. I don't
think that could.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Ever be on it. No, you can't. You got that.
That's the chances is evident and personified therein can't. You
don't have to give it a chance. Imagine. The song
I did this week was like christ has christ Is
It's more of an Easter song. I think we're doing it.
(01:55):
We're doing a we're doing a Christmas song? Are we
doing new Kids Got run over by a reindeer?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, but there's a lot of Christmas songs that I
think could be on this.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I love it. I love it. I had no idea chance,
there's no idea. I never know. I never know.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, because we're recording this mid November. But like, but
with the episodes we have planned ahead, this will be
early decemb So.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh is it or Chatta by Vampire Weekend that's Christmas
song and December jinking that one, Yeah, that wouldn't be
on here.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, the song I picked is is there's a there
there are a lot that are sort of like hanceled
of Christmas songs.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
There's things like get canceled.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, there are Christmas songs like is a Baby It's
Cold Outside. It's like sort of one that's like.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, we've we've we've reassessed that song. Yeah, I get it.
People feel like it's a little lucky.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But this one's different, a different sort of like I
think people like this song. There's elements of it that
are probably good, but a lot of in doing my research,
which I do, now I.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Know this is great. This is a new ring. Not
that you were. I mean, look, in a certain sense,
first of all, you're my son, say and in a
certain sense you always I mean, look, this whole project
exists sort of as the result of you doing the research.
You did the research. You said, let's do a pod.
You did the research, you said, maybe the pot will
(03:20):
be give it a chance. You did the research. You said,
I want to I know who I want to partner
with you.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes, he was busy, he was unavailable. James Blunt was unavailable.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And in my dream Blunt rotation, no doubt it's James Blunt,
Emily Blunt in rotation and Gwen Deevere Blunt, who is
my landlord's niece. Awesome lady, shout out out, sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Please, Actually all those people could be in this song.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That wasn't Michael Barbaro give you a little any daily listeners,
all right? Any of the wait is it a weed?
Is like an Afro man weed Christmas song? Oh? I
wish it?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's big? This is massive. It's a massive song. So
here's the other thing, is like, I've heard this song
a lot and massive. I've heard this song a lot,
but I haven't like sat and listened to it in
a really long time. In terms of like focusing on
it. It sometimes in the background of.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know, all right, so it's huge, but you haven't
locked into it for a while. It could include either
James or Emily Blunt. It's not imagine when all the
celebrities sang that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, yeah, but you're on the right path really yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh oh? Is it simply having a wonderful Christmas time?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's Paul McCartney and no, I love that song.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, okay is it? People do dislike that song.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I will say there's a lot of people who don't
like it, but I like the textures of it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think it's a weird. It's also what are we
giving Paul a hard time about about a Christmas song?
I love that Paul's Christmas song and John's Christmas songs
are what they are because it's like the perfect I
mean and yang are we doing Happy Christmas? War is
Over by John and Yoko?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Great one, but no, that's are we doing that? You
know there is a version of that by Maroon five
that I did.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
There's no, there's not. Yeah, that might have to come
back next Christmas season, or maybe we'll do a whole
month of christ I think.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We only had two episodes in a month. But yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We could do it in February, Christmas in July, we
could do that one in July. Well, we'll get back
to it, all right. So it's huge. It's not the Beatles,
it's not Maroon five, it's not Afroman. It's not it's
not it's not Emily Blunet's not from the Choi place
like a silent Christmas song? Is it Silent Night? No?
I wish it was.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I wish it was like a really simple, like you know,
German theme or something.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You know, I realized I should probably I want to
get three more. Did you hurt yourself? Did you get
a booboo? You have a cover? Yeah? Do what do
you need for that to cover it. Bandage A band aid? Wait?
Am I getting closer? Yeah? You said it? A bandage?
A band band aid? Oh? Is it? Do they know
(06:08):
it's Christmas time at all? Is that? Dude? I haven't
locked in on this song ever. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, we're talking band aid? Do they know it's Christmas?
Nineteen eighty four? You had people from Genesis, people from
U Two, people.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
From Sega, people from Nintendee.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
PlayStation, you got Wham people, you got Duran, Durance, you
got Cool in the Gang, you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Got got Dylan. Do we got Dylan? Or is that's
that's I don't think Dylan's Hello? Yeah? People die this,
Even poor Bob, he was so lost. We could talk
about that another time. But he's asking Stevie, wonder could
you play it again? What do I do? Quincy Jones
has to tell him to face the microphone. He's singing
(06:54):
back to the microphone, all right, sorry, sorry, and anyway,
have you also.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Seen the thing about Huey Lewis, where like he just
couldn't hit the note and like all the people around
him are just rolling their eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's like Michael Jackson, It's.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Always like yeah, it's all these people who like could
hit a note with their ears closed, no problem.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Hey, yeah, and this is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That's a good moment anyway, this is this is like
I think, I think this obviously came after that in the.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Things around the same time. Actually we should find that,
you know, I'm a little surprised. I didn't do my research.
The research monster didn't find that part out. But research monster,
you want to step into my world? That might be
what we do sometimes. The last song on User illusion
to by Guns N' Roses. But that's for another another day,
another Christmas. So let's play this song.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Let's listen to it, and then let's so fuck ready.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yep, Merry Christmas. There's so much gold in the credits.
I can't wait. There's no we don't have to start there.
But I just some of these names. The songwriter's name,
(08:05):
mid Ury, Little Urine. Can't handle that. I got no
capacity to handle that. You shouldn't have to. You shouldn't
have to. You've earned it, you've earned it. Why would
you put Midjury in front of me? I can't. I'm
out of grown up. I can't deal with Midjury. It's
little Urine. We're in fun of people's names. I'm still
(08:29):
making fun of people's names dogs, Urine, Bob, Geldolf, Are
you a wizard dog? Come on? Sorry? Now he did
a lot, so did Midge probably did a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I can't believe how many hooks there are in this song,
and only like two of them are memorable, like the whole,
the whole, Like the verse keeps changing. The second verse
doesn't seem like there's anything that's brought back from the
first verse. And then the chorus is obviously that's memorable.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And then the.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Dude eating yeah, like that little rip.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Which is kind of an extension of the chorus. It's
also funny because the chorus also happens what seems like
arbitrarily kind of happens once and then we go back
and the chorus actually becomes an extended like chorl like
a bridge outro, almost like a Christmas Carol kind of thing,
which is, maybe I'm purpy.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And feed the world let them know it's Christmas time again?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Is cool? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It does seem so strange for the idea that these
people don't know it's Christmas, Like they don't it's like.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They don't even have a calendar. I mean, I mean look,
if we were going to it depends how you want
to skin this particular cat. I know the anti chancy
is actually for me, it's becoming something of a theme
in some of the songs we've ended up discussing. I
don't know, the last little segment of songs here, a
(09:50):
group of songs here. It's actually like that obliviousness that
exists at the core of this entire conceit. Now, granted
it was forty years ago. Things move around, but I
even think at the time there would have been people
who would have heard this and been like, like, I
don't just mean people in the places being discussed. I mean,
(10:10):
I'm sure there were people. There were probably people in
the room who were like, hey, you know, this is
a little like white Saviory some of this stuff, like
maybe you know, I'm pretty sure like there are actually
rivers in Africa. You know, it's pretty well documented. I'm
no cartographer.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If there's no river, there's no Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think there's no snow. Now, who is this tokic?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's okay, and that's British Bono. That's British.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
British Bono is a lot to think about. What is
Bono's real name, Paul Hewitt or something like that, right,
it is. I think it might be Midge Urine.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Maybe that that's actually that's his pen.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Name, his numb to plume. Yeah, I'm a multiculturalist, so
I said that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, it is fun I will say that. I do
get wrapped up and seeing all these like young rock stars.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Totally play together.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It is funny that they I hate to say it,
but they all I kind of think they all look
the same. They all have the same haircut and like
messiness and like shirts.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Totally. It's pretty wild. It's also funny because, well, this
is maybe a little all over the place, but it's
funny because there are people who like someone like Sting. Right,
Stings listed as background vocals and gang vocals. Right, I'm
sure if Sting wanted to sing the whole first verse
(11:44):
at this time in music pop music history, he could
have walked in and had any party wanted. Maybe Sting
was one of the people in the room who was like,
you know, I'm here. I think I'm just gonna do
the gang vocals in the background, And you know what, Bono,
you're an earnest sort. We'll let you have all of
verse two.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's interesting though, because Sting did bring in a lot
of influence from African music, like Yes Later records and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So I don't know, maybe he I don't know. That
could go either way though, That could go either way.
It could be also, you know, I'm seeing here John
Keeble Gang vocals, Johnny Fingers Gang vocals, of course, Jonathan
Aubrey Moss, a lot of John's. Marilyn just one name,
and they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin, you know,
(12:33):
and I got Marilyn's.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know, your brother is probably thinking, oh, he saw
the name Marilyn, He's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Dan Devine is definitely gonna call you out on that.
My brother, noted basketball journalist and internet celebrity really.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah and most famous for being a listener of this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Famous yeah, first and for most he after the episode,
which one was it recently where it was about oh, nowadays,
you said I forget in one of the episodes, and
my brother was like, I hate that. I know your
brain so well that the second CASEY said nowadays, I
said out loud, he's gonna do forgot about dre and
(13:14):
then I immediately on the podcast, so sad, but yeah, yeah,
they've got there's a lot going on, So maybe he
just wanted to be in the in the mix with
Marilyn Martin Kemp Martin ware.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What's your chance on that? What's your chancy on this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Uh? It's actually well constructed song. I really like the arrangement.
I like the I do think I like the commitment
in the performances and as a song. I actually think
it's a better song than We Are the World, for instance,
Like I think interesting. I think it's like a more
I like that. I like it's thrust and tempo. I
(13:51):
like those that kind of like the galloping synth thing
that's happening. There's an excellent I do think it's cool
that Phil Collins is drumming. I do too.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think that's fun. That's and the drums are good.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
He's an excellent drummer, and he's also a really cool
to the song drummer, which I'm a huge fan of.
There's a turnaround Phil he does on the one at
the top of one of the chorus loops, which is
not expected. It's not how that would usually go, and
it does this cool inversion that I was like, I
(14:23):
actually set out loud nowadays. No, I actually set out loud.
That's a cool drum pill, you know what I mean,
Like there's so the and I mean I don't think
it's like I actually don't think melodically, energetically, structurally, it's
an uncool It's not like this song. If this was
like a normal quote unquote song and not a Christmas
(14:44):
charity all star song, Like if you just heard a
band play this song, I'd be like, that's pretty cool.
That's an all right song at Christmas time line, and
(15:06):
we vanish shit.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I guess I wish though, that the lyrics were just
about Christmas and not about the dude and then and
then like they could write a whole thing, Like the
reason why we all came together to make this fun
Christmas song is because this is happening and we should
discuss it. And we're raising money, you know, for this
cause to call themselves band.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Aid Yo, dude, no, no, no, I want to be
crystal clear, we fully agree. What I'm talking about is
like music arrangement, performance production. This song's cratering black hole
disqualifier is what they're singing about. And how especially in
the verses the first two verses there's like it's almost
(15:50):
like they overshoot the goal and they turn it into
like there's like a shaming thing happen. That's also sort
of like turning life in these places into like some
kind of horror film, like if we There was one
thought I had was like I wanted to go through
(16:11):
the lyrics and just discuss the places where it was
like yay, I don't know if we have to go
line for line.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, yeah, no, there were some big lines like what's
the one that's really that's really like shamey for the
listener that makes like you know, like it's like it's
while you're having fun outside your window.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, while you're it's hard. First of all, I want
to say I got thrown off the scent almost immediately
when they say, no one has ever said this. No one,
no one Christmas or any other time, has ever said this.
There's no need to be afraid. At Christmas time, we
let in light and banish shade. It's over. It's overwritten.
It's over. When he says banish shade, no one ever
(16:58):
said that. No one's ever said that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's like, let's really, let's really relate to our listener.
It's like it's like Lord of the Rings, that's what
we let enlighten banish shade.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, that's and that's Gandalf Geldoff's status.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Right, that's Ganandorf from Zeldador from Zelda.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And look when Ganandorf from Zelda continues to unfurl his
whiz it then says, but say a prayer, a prayer
for the other ones.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I know you're being tongue in cheek, but it feels
also dismissive, like I think.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Ones, Yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know, it's so odd, it's so oddly written, like
it's so obtuse, you know, like in the message.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, I think that this in that sense, I maybe
they see this song as a kind of spiritual what's
the word? I always forget? If it's like, uh, the
one that not an ancestor but later a spiritually they're
they're in the spiritual lineage of something like that on
lennon Christmas song, which also I love that song. And
also there is a serious and justifiable criticism one could
(18:07):
make about a lot of John Lennon's hectoring, like Working
Class Hero or some of those songs where there is
a little bit of a like what a beautiful message
and what a thoughtful moving expression. I think he tends
to be a much better songwriter than whatever's happening here.
But also sometimes John, you want to be like yeah.
But also that was like one of the most famous
(18:29):
people in the world who was living completely disconnected from
reality for almost his entire adult life. Also, the conditions
of celebrity were different than where he was actually and
in fact it's baked into how he ultimately was killed.
He was still like hanging out around people all the time,
so it wasn't quite the way it is now. But
I also sometimes do think with like some of his
(18:51):
like finger pointing songs, I'm like, yeah, dude, you're like
the most famous musician alive, and you're like mat telling
people like a working class hero is something to be
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyway,
I wonder if that's what they thought here, Like he
kind of held he made sure in that song him
and Yoko that it was like, don't forget while we're
(19:14):
taking this pause from reality to celebrate with our families
and our food and our presence, Like war is still
happening everywhere, you know, and there's and look on its face.
I don't disagree with that message at all. I think
it's great to keep in balance and in mind. But
there is something about the way here they also invoke
(19:35):
it's a world of dread and fear, and that also
the only water flowing is the bitter sting of tears.
And then I was talking about Sting, the singer in
Stings Tears.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No, it's wild that this plays on the radio often
every you know, post Thanksgiving, all of December.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's pretty heavy. They don't want to get caught up
in the clanging chimes of doom.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, so Tom Paul McCartney's like samely, Yeah, exactly, you
could see.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I always think about that, like if there was one
song in the Beatles catalog that I would show an
alien to be like, this was how these two people
at their peak interacted. It's we could work it out,
we can work it out, whatever the title that song is.
Because like Paul's verses are like and then John comes in,
(20:31):
He's like, life is very short. That's a great minor key,
Like the bridge is like John's like, let's make sure
people don't forget, like there is the clanging giants of doom.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And Paul's like Desmond has a ladder and he's walking
to the Poli shop.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But then just fucking Paul wrote eleanor Rigby, you know,
and yesterday I could joke about Paul bite I stand
a Paul song. There is this, you know, I need
to talk about this, every Omar, every Mackay. There is
a story that I was told, you know, I'm a
big Elliot Smith fan noted Beatles fan noted Beatles acolyte
(21:16):
his own thing with it, but definitely so much Beatles
in the soup. There with Elliott, they were having a
cover and thought of as kind of, you know, like
there's a rawness or realness. You'd think of Elliott as
sort of like a John George hybrid perhaps, But there
was a conversation who was having once with Rob Schnaff,
record producer, and they were going through it who was
the best and at the end of all of it
(21:37):
extolling George's virtues, and John brought the and then there
was like a silence and Elliott said, and that's why
it's such a bummer that Paul was by far the
best one of all of them. Wow, And it's about musicality.
That guy could do things as a musician that like
kind of very few people like John and George couldn't
do what Paul could do. Paul couldn't do what they
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could do like energetically, spiritually, attitudinally, but he could play
everything they could play and with ease. Paul could do things.
They would sit there and be like, the fuck are
you doing dude, that's insane? Anyway, what is that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, coming back, it's interesting that Christmas songs is such
a thing to try to do right, and like even
just the fact that both like that, Lennon and McCartney
both have Christmas songs on their solo joints and then
they influenced that. They're obviously a huge influence on these
euro Star of them. Yes, and yeah, it's it's actually
(22:36):
interesting that they're not on this right.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, this was eight four, This was right after John five.
This is within five years John passing. But it's kind
of funny that I bet they asked McCartney. Yeah, it
was Jarrson. John was eighty one, eighty December of eighty Yeah,
so this is like maybe this was just a period
of time where those guys were just like not doing things.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Like it's also the younger generation right, So it's like, yes,
singing bono, like that's that's clearly like this. It's so
far away from the Beatles and somebody.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
This is early you two to this is like you
two two. And they did ask Desmond Tutu, but he
he was offending it this right of course.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And at this point did they write the theme song
to Entourage yet or they were still.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah this was this was actually early Jane's and they're
notably absent, but uh, you two had written the theme
song for Entourage and sold it to Jane's. Oh yeah,
that's a little known. I do the research too, No
big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh wait it was Jane's addiction. Did that was the
theme song to Entourage?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh that's why that feels very bono to me, because
I was also thinking that, like does Treys song?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh yeah, remember.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That one from Vertigo?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah? Vertigo?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That seems like the same genre as the theme song.
It's a I got that wrong, but.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you if you go and check it out on
Apple Music or Spotify or Deezer or wherever you listen
to music, there is a genre in and of itself,
and the two songs are Vertigo and theme from entourage,
so it's not it's an it's an honest mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What are your overall thoughts on Christmas music Christmas pop music.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think there's a sweet spot and the utility to
it for me, like I kind of like there is
something to be said for like, uh, it helps demarcate
the sort of moment and I think like when you're
like moving around in a supermarket and you're like, oh,
they're playing that Mariah Carrey song, I guess it really is.
(24:55):
We really are coming up on Christmas time. And there's
actually some like I think Phil Spector, I know, you know,
criminally misunderstood, totally innocent guy. But that Phil Spector Christmas
record he made with the Run, Yes, that is like
amazing music. I could listen to that. And that Willie
Nelson it's called Pretty Paper, that Willie Nelson Christmas record.
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Those are things like that whole month leading into the
end of December. Like I do listen to that, like
around edy and stuff because I'm like, well, I want
to have some of that on and those are like,
I know, I really like those.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I will say that I'm not the biggest holiday spirit
person songs do kind I know, I know please don't
stop listening to the cops on my door. Cops are
at my fucking door. But certain it's all fuck, it's
Bono and Jane's addiction. They're mad that I screwed that up.
(25:52):
There are certain songs that get me in the holiday spirit,
and they really do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
They kick me in.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Those songs are Tom Petty, Oh Baby, It's Christmas all
over again.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, that's a good one. That was on Gap Kids
when I worked there. That was on the Christmas Like, Okay,
even the store Satn Island Mall shouts out to Gap Kids.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I gotta also give it to the waitresses Christmas rapping.
I always like that song.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Insane song. Also, that's a great song to go lyric
for lyric about because it's really nuts. It's really really crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, and then yeah, I don't know the other one's
I'm not sure. I kind of I kind of like
the Charlie Brown Christmas album.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah that so my daughter was my daughter.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Was born on December twentieth, and so we took her
home on Christmas Eve and I put that record on
on the way on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So that was like, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
But even I've always liked that those those tunes off
that album, oh especially Christmas Time, that's the one. And
it's so simple. And that's the thing. I think this
song's too complicated. There's too many different lookouts and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
This song makes you I love this shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I want to like it because I do, you know,
like I don't mind things with the message or at
least just like stuff reading money for things. But it's
it's too it's too overwritten and over complicated.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Also, what there is a absolutely and something can be
for a good purpose and be patently ridiculous. There's a
lot of things that are for a good purpose that
are like kind of like sanctimonious, condescending and ultimately like
not very good. And this I think falls into that
that lyrically anyway, it falls into that category. For sure.
(27:38):
I think that there's but I also think there's something
about you know, the greatest gift they'll get this year
is life. I know, and I set out loud, maybe
that's what everybody should feel. Maybe it shouldn't be the
greatest gift I got this year was that constant or
(28:04):
like or you know, my that that sort of at
home gaming system, or my weighted blanket for my anxiety
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love a kid being like, could I have an
at home gaming system, a child being like, I'll take
I'll take an at home gaming It's like, well, well,
actually you just get life.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah yeah, and being like, oh, well, I guess at
the But honestly though, like a cool, forward thinking kid
would be like, I can't even have an at home
gaming system if I don't have life first. But also
there is something echoey house he lives in. He must
be really poor. You know that kid's poor as fuck.
(28:42):
Best gift they'll get this year is life where nothing
ever grows, like this is confusing our life. And so
I'm with you. I do think I'm my chance he is.
I love the gallop, I love the Phil Collins drumming.
I do think they form it with commitment. I think
it's actually a more enjoyable listen than we are the world.
(29:06):
I'm comparing those direct correlative. But also I think it's
lyrically ridiculous, sanctimonious and silly. And at the end of
it thought, there's something most important I want to say
to you, though.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Hit me tell me.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you know whose birthday is December nineteenth? Yours? Yeah, Doggie,
one day apart from the most precious person in your life.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So the two most precious people in my life, you
and Gollum.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yay, precious, but also got to keep that quiet.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Cannondorf, Yeah, no, that's that's wild. Speaking of you, do
you consider you have a song called Splitting Up Christmas?
Do you consider that a Christmas song?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, I knew all the greats had to try to
tackle it at some point, you know, And so what
I thought was like Lennon McCartney, Irving Berlin, Charles Gushwinn,
Gurles Darwin. You know, so I was like Gannon Door
from Zeldas. I don't know, it's it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I don't think you probably didn't write it as a
Christmas song, but maybe you did.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What I think is more actually, I think so I had.
That song was written for a record that came out
in two thousand and three called Make the Clocks Move.
None of my records are like successful with a capital S.
But in the little sort of corner of the universe
we occupy, there are some that have like a slightly
larger tribe than others. And I think that one's one
of them, where there's another one called Brother's Blood. That
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is probably also true about that. But with when writing
the stuff for Make the Clocks Move, I was like
a twenty two year old kid, and it was a
lot more just like unedited, you know what I mean.
Like I think the inner editor was like a little
bit more like. I was also pretty much always drunk.
And also when you're a kid, you're just sort of
like churning. You're making big choices, yeah, or you're not.
(30:47):
You're just it's just coming out, you know what I mean.
And I think that I our friend Jay Miller, who
was in a band called Monty Love on Staten Island
and always would do these Christmas parties, these shows every
year at a place called Dock Street. There was a
year he was going to do two an afternoon one
at some bar and then in the evening the rock
show at Dock Street. My band was going to play
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at the rock show, but I was going to do
a solo set at the afternoon thing, and we were
going to do a split CD one song. A split
EP is big. This is big of the era. A
split EP was big at this era. And no, no, no,
this was two and so I think that we recorded
a song each at his apartment on a four track,
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and I was like, oh, we're doing that. I should
like write something for it, but write it in the
style of how I write. And we ended up really
liking it. And by the time the record was the
time we were making the record, the guys that were
producing it were like, we should just record that song too,
and just and now there's a studio album, really, for
(31:57):
all intents and purposes, the first one of mine anyone
paid any kind of attention to that has a fucking
Christmas song on it. And when we did the twentieth
anniversary shows for that record, every night it was like,
and here's a Christmas song, because like, what else did
you think a fifty three minute long, like endless, almost
no repeating lyrics, lageryic Hi, I'm a twenty three year
(32:18):
old to can't shut my brain off? What else would
it need? I guess a Christmas song.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's because when I think of the song and I
know the song, I know that that record really well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I actually don't.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't think of it as like it doesn't feel
crazy Christmas. Ye, it does, maybe a little bit, and
then it has the word in it, but it feels
like a song about Christmas and about does that make
it a Christmas song?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right? Like?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I actually like that it's not necessarily because it's I
don't know, it's it's about splitting up where to go
for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right. I always thought that that's to me, it was
also more about a song about family and friendship and
community and the thing that sort of might, like uh,
be emphasized more on days like that we have more
of a prompter an emphasis to reflect on it. But
(33:10):
I can see why you didn't think it was a
Christmas song because there's zero mention of banishing shade. Yeah,
that's true. You didn't banish any shade during it. What happened.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You didn't shame people. I think, knowing about famine in Africa.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You do that elsewhere. I didn't do it there. But
I do think that at the at the before we
rap with this, I do just want to point out
too quickly what not too quickly as well? I want
too quickly that you know, one of the things that's
the through line between some of that great Christmas music
we were talking about we do like is there's a
sense of like melancholie in it that I think is
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a part of that season two, and that's part of
stuff like even like Silent Night. That song's so beautiful
because there's also like a hint of melancholie in it
as well for all of its joyful celebration, which I
think is like representative of, you know, like a Drew
Live experience. But you know, anyway, that's what I think
I give. I give everything a chance on Christmas, even
shade banishment. I do hope that the African stuff got solved.
(34:08):
I don't know what happened after this song, but I
think everything's fine now. They raised ten million dollars. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's con fete a lot of peeps, I think I
assume back especially back then with inflation.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I'll take ten mil. Now, if any of the chances
want to throw ten mil my way, I'll eat and
eat and eat, dogg eat.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I might take ten, but give me the ten mil.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I'll slice you five.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'll slide you five foul and then we could as
long as we talk about it, we're good.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
So what do we got to talk about though?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Just if it's okay with me taking the money, and
then just to the fact that we had the conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I was honest about it, and I slide, So you
would be You would be the one having fun on Christmas,
and I would be the other ones, yes, the other ones.
All right, chances clearly you see whose bread is buttered where,
and hell, yay yay, just give it a ship.
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance. Come morning, give it a chance.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Give it a chance, Give it a chance, Give it
a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Gome morning, give it a you want to give it
a chance, Give it a chance, Give it a chance.
Just Casey's wearing? Should I tell them you? No, don't,
Please don't tell them. I don't, won't tell them, tell them, yo,
I'll tell them the one thing I really want them
(00:30):
to know. Yeah, Casey, Because honestly, it's important. This is
a very special episode. Before we even start, we definitely
advocate for sick. I don't know where this is going.
All safe practices sexually, and I just want to let
you know that Casey is definitely wearing a condom right now.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, of all times, at all times for safety.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Why would I not? Just in Casey, but I am
watching the screen and if you cannot see, my man,
case is wearing what is known in the biz as
a Santa hat. Actually it's like a cool kind of
like duck hunter Santa hat thing too, yeah, or like
what are those like Russian hats? You know? Yeahs flaps?
(01:22):
Yeah it do you know that kind? You know that kind?
And you have any reason why because we're gonna do
a Hanaga song.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's right, that would never be on it. I don't
think that could.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Ever be on it. No, you can't. You got that.
That's the chances is evident and personified therein can't. You
don't have to give it a chance. Imagine. The song
I did this week was like christ has christ Is
It's more of an Easter song. I think we're doing it.
(01:55):
We're doing a we're doing a Christmas song? Are we
doing new Kids Got run over by a reindeer?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, but there's a lot of Christmas songs that I
think could be on this.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I love it. I love it. I had no idea chance,
there's no idea. I never know. I never know.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, because we're recording this mid November. But like, but
with the episodes we have planned ahead, this will be
early decemb So.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Oh is it or Chatta by Vampire Weekend that's Christmas
song and December jinking that one, Yeah, that wouldn't be
on here.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
No, the song I picked is is there's a there
there are a lot that are sort of like hanceled
of Christmas songs.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
There's things like get canceled.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, there are Christmas songs like is a Baby It's
Cold Outside. It's like sort of one that's like.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, we've we've we've reassessed that song. Yeah, I get it.
People feel like it's a little lucky.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
But this one's different, a different sort of like I
think people like this song. There's elements of it that
are probably good, but a lot of in doing my research,
which I do, now I.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Know this is great. This is a new ring. Not
that you were. I mean, look, in a certain sense,
first of all, you're my son, say and in a
certain sense you always I mean, look, this whole project
exists sort of as the result of you doing the research.
You did the research. You said, let's do a pod.
You did the research, you said, maybe the pot will
(03:20):
be give it a chance. You did the research. You said,
I want to I know who I want to partner
with you.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yes, he was busy, he was unavailable. James Blunt was unavailable.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And in my dream Blunt rotation, no doubt it's James Blunt,
Emily Blunt in rotation and Gwen Deevere Blunt, who is
my landlord's niece. Awesome lady, shout out out, sorry.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Please, Actually all those people could be in this song.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That wasn't Michael Barbaro give you a little any daily listeners,
all right? Any of the wait is it a weed?
Is like an Afro man weed Christmas song? Oh? I
wish it?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's big? This is massive. It's a massive song. So
here's the other thing, is like, I've heard this song
a lot and massive. I've heard this song a lot,
but I haven't like sat and listened to it in
a really long time. In terms of like focusing on
it. It sometimes in the background of.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know, all right, so it's huge, but you haven't
locked into it for a while. It could include either
James or Emily Blunt. It's not imagine when all the
celebrities sang that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, yeah, but you're on the right path really yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Oh oh? Is it simply having a wonderful Christmas time?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's Paul McCartney and no, I love that song.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, okay is it? People do dislike that song.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I will say there's a lot of people who don't
like it, but I like the textures of it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think it's a weird. It's also what are we
giving Paul a hard time about about a Christmas song?
I love that Paul's Christmas song and John's Christmas songs
are what they are because it's like the perfect I
mean and yang are we doing Happy Christmas? War is
Over by John and Yoko?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Great one, but no, that's are we doing that? You
know there is a version of that by Maroon five
that I did.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
There's no, there's not. Yeah, that might have to come
back next Christmas season, or maybe we'll do a whole
month of christ I think.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We only had two episodes in a month. But yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We could do it in February, Christmas in July, we
could do that one in July. Well, we'll get back
to it, all right. So it's huge. It's not the Beatles,
it's not Maroon five, it's not Afroman. It's not it's
not it's not Emily Blunet's not from the Choi place
like a silent Christmas song? Is it Silent Night? No?
I wish it was.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I wish it was like a really simple, like you know,
German theme or something.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You know, I realized I should probably I want to
get three more. Did you hurt yourself? Did you get
a booboo? You have a cover? Yeah? Do what do
you need for that to cover it. Bandage A band aid? Wait?
Am I getting closer? Yeah? You said it? A bandage?
A band band aid? Oh? Is it? Do they know
(06:08):
it's Christmas time at all? Is that? Dude? I haven't
locked in on this song ever. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, we're talking band aid? Do they know it's Christmas?
Nineteen eighty four? You had people from Genesis, people from
U Two, people.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
From Sega, people from Nintendee.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
PlayStation, you got Wham people, you got Duran, Durance, you
got Cool in the Gang, you.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Got got Dylan. Do we got Dylan? Or is that's
that's I don't think Dylan's Hello? Yeah? People die this,
Even poor Bob, he was so lost. We could talk
about that another time. But he's asking Stevie, wonder could
you play it again? What do I do? Quincy Jones
has to tell him to face the microphone. He's singing
(06:54):
back to the microphone, all right, sorry, sorry, and anyway,
have you also.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Seen the thing about Huey Lewis, where like he just
couldn't hit the note and like all the people around
him are just rolling their eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's like Michael Jackson, It's.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Always like yeah, it's all these people who like could
hit a note with their ears closed, no problem.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Hey, yeah, and this is.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That's a good moment anyway, this is this is like
I think, I think this obviously came after that in the.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Things around the same time. Actually we should find that,
you know, I'm a little surprised. I didn't do my research.
The research monster didn't find that part out. But research monster,
you want to step into my world? That might be
what we do sometimes. The last song on User illusion
to by Guns N' Roses. But that's for another another day,
another Christmas. So let's play this song.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Let's listen to it, and then let's so fuck ready.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yep, Merry Christmas. There's so much gold in the credits.
I can't wait. There's no we don't have to start there.
But I just some of these names. The songwriter's name,
(08:05):
mid Ury, Little Urine. Can't handle that. I got no
capacity to handle that. You shouldn't have to. You shouldn't
have to. You've earned it, you've earned it. Why would
you put Midjury in front of me? I can't. I'm
out of grown up. I can't deal with Midjury. It's
little Urine. We're in fun of people's names. I'm still
(08:29):
making fun of people's names dogs, Urine, Bob, Geldolf, Are
you a wizard dog? Come on? Sorry? Now he did
a lot, so did Midge probably did a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I can't believe how many hooks there are in this song,
and only like two of them are memorable, like the whole,
the whole, Like the verse keeps changing. The second verse
doesn't seem like there's anything that's brought back from the
first verse. And then the chorus is obviously that's memorable.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And then the.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Dude eating yeah, like that little rip.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Which is kind of an extension of the chorus. It's
also funny because the chorus also happens what seems like
arbitrarily kind of happens once and then we go back
and the chorus actually becomes an extended like chorl like
a bridge outro, almost like a Christmas Carol kind of thing,
which is, maybe I'm purpy.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And feed the world let them know it's Christmas time again?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Is cool? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It does seem so strange for the idea that these
people don't know it's Christmas, Like they don't it's like.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
They don't even have a calendar. I mean, I mean look,
if we were going to it depends how you want
to skin this particular cat. I know the anti chancy
is actually for me, it's becoming something of a theme
in some of the songs we've ended up discussing. I
don't know, the last little segment of songs here, a
(09:50):
group of songs here. It's actually like that obliviousness that
exists at the core of this entire conceit. Now, granted
it was forty years ago. Things move around, but I
even think at the time there would have been people
who would have heard this and been like, like, I
don't just mean people in the places being discussed. I mean,
(10:10):
I'm sure there were people. There were probably people in
the room who were like, hey, you know, this is
a little like white Saviory some of this stuff, like
maybe you know, I'm pretty sure like there are actually
rivers in Africa. You know, it's pretty well documented. I'm
no cartographer.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If there's no river, there's no Christmas.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think there's no snow. Now, who is this tokic?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That's okay, and that's British Bono. That's British.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
British Bono is a lot to think about. What is
Bono's real name, Paul Hewitt or something like that, right,
it is. I think it might be Midge Urine.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Maybe that that's actually that's his pen.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Name, his numb to plume. Yeah, I'm a multiculturalist, so
I said that was amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, it is fun I will say that. I do
get wrapped up and seeing all these like young rock stars.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Totally play together.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It is funny that they I hate to say it,
but they all I kind of think they all look
the same. They all have the same haircut and like
messiness and like shirts.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Totally. It's pretty wild. It's also funny because, well, this
is maybe a little all over the place, but it's
funny because there are people who like someone like Sting. Right,
Stings listed as background vocals and gang vocals. Right, I'm
sure if Sting wanted to sing the whole first verse
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at this time in music pop music history, he could
have walked in and had any party wanted. Maybe Sting
was one of the people in the room who was like,
you know, I'm here. I think I'm just gonna do
the gang vocals in the background, And you know what, Bono,
you're an earnest sort. We'll let you have all of
verse two.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's interesting though, because Sting did bring in a lot
of influence from African music, like Yes Later records and stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So I don't know, maybe he I don't know. That
could go either way though, That could go either way.
It could be also, you know, I'm seeing here John
Keeble Gang vocals, Johnny Fingers Gang vocals, of course, Jonathan
Aubrey Moss, a lot of John's. Marilyn just one name,
and they blame it on Marilyn and the heroin, you know,
(12:33):
and I got Marilyn's.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know, your brother is probably thinking, oh, he saw
the name Marilyn, He's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Dan Devine is definitely gonna call you out on that.
My brother, noted basketball journalist and internet celebrity really.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah and most famous for being a listener of this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Famous yeah, first and for most he after the episode,
which one was it recently where it was about oh, nowadays,
you said I forget in one of the episodes, and
my brother was like, I hate that. I know your
brain so well that the second CASEY said nowadays, I
said out loud, he's gonna do forgot about dre and
(13:14):
then I immediately on the podcast, so sad, but yeah, yeah,
they've got there's a lot going on, So maybe he
just wanted to be in the in the mix with
Marilyn Martin Kemp Martin ware.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
What's your chance on that? What's your chancy on this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Uh? It's actually well constructed song. I really like the arrangement.
I like the I do think I like the commitment
in the performances and as a song. I actually think
it's a better song than We Are the World, for instance,
Like I think interesting. I think it's like a more
I like that. I like it's thrust and tempo. I
(13:51):
like those that kind of like the galloping synth thing
that's happening. There's an excellent I do think it's cool
that Phil Collins is drumming. I do too.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I think that's fun. That's and the drums are good.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
He's an excellent drummer, and he's also a really cool
to the song drummer, which I'm a huge fan of.
There's a turnaround Phil he does on the one at
the top of one of the chorus loops, which is
not expected. It's not how that would usually go, and
it does this cool inversion that I was like, I
(14:23):
actually set out loud nowadays. No, I actually set out loud.
That's a cool drum pill, you know what I mean,
Like there's so the and I mean I don't think
it's like I actually don't think melodically, energetically, structurally, it's
an uncool It's not like this song. If this was
like a normal quote unquote song and not a Christmas
(14:44):
charity all star song, Like if you just heard a
band play this song, I'd be like, that's pretty cool.
That's an all right song at Christmas time line, and
(15:06):
we vanish shit.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I guess I wish though, that the lyrics were just
about Christmas and not about the dude and then and
then like they could write a whole thing, Like the
reason why we all came together to make this fun
Christmas song is because this is happening and we should
discuss it. And we're raising money, you know, for this
cause to call themselves band.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Aid Yo, dude, no, no, no, I want to be
crystal clear, we fully agree. What I'm talking about is
like music arrangement, performance production. This song's cratering black hole
disqualifier is what they're singing about. And how especially in
the verses the first two verses there's like it's almost
(15:50):
like they overshoot the goal and they turn it into
like there's like a shaming thing happen. That's also sort
of like turning life in these places into like some
kind of horror film, like if we There was one
thought I had was like I wanted to go through
(16:11):
the lyrics and just discuss the places where it was
like yay, I don't know if we have to go
line for line.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
No, yeah, no, there were some big lines like what's
the one that's really that's really like shamey for the
listener that makes like you know, like it's like it's
while you're having fun outside your window.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, while you're it's hard. First of all, I want
to say I got thrown off the scent almost immediately
when they say, no one has ever said this. No one,
no one Christmas or any other time, has ever said this.
There's no need to be afraid. At Christmas time, we
let in light and banish shade. It's over. It's overwritten.
It's over. When he says banish shade, no one ever
(16:58):
said that. No one's ever said that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's like, let's really, let's really relate to our listener.
It's like it's like Lord of the Rings, that's what
we let enlighten banish shade.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, that's and that's Gandalf Geldoff's status.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Right, that's Ganandorf from Zeldador from Zelda.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And look when Ganandorf from Zelda continues to unfurl his
whiz it then says, but say a prayer, a prayer
for the other ones.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I know you're being tongue in cheek, but it feels
also dismissive, like I think.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Ones, Yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know, it's so odd, it's so oddly written, like
it's so obtuse, you know, like in the message.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well, I think that this in that sense, I maybe
they see this song as a kind of spiritual what's
the word? I always forget? If it's like, uh, the
one that not an ancestor but later a spiritually they're
they're in the spiritual lineage of something like that on
lennon Christmas song, which also I love that song. And
also there is a serious and justifiable criticism one could
(18:07):
make about a lot of John Lennon's hectoring, like Working
Class Hero or some of those songs where there is
a little bit of a like what a beautiful message
and what a thoughtful moving expression. I think he tends
to be a much better songwriter than whatever's happening here.
But also sometimes John, you want to be like yeah.
But also that was like one of the most famous
(18:29):
people in the world who was living completely disconnected from
reality for almost his entire adult life. Also, the conditions
of celebrity were different than where he was actually and
in fact it's baked into how he ultimately was killed.
He was still like hanging out around people all the time,
so it wasn't quite the way it is now. But
I also sometimes do think with like some of his
(18:51):
like finger pointing songs, I'm like, yeah, dude, you're like
the most famous musician alive, and you're like mat telling
people like a working class hero is something to be
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? But anyway,
I wonder if that's what they thought here, Like he
kind of held he made sure in that song him
and Yoko that it was like, don't forget while we're
(19:14):
taking this pause from reality to celebrate with our families
and our food and our presence, Like war is still
happening everywhere, you know, and there's and look on its face.
I don't disagree with that message at all. I think
it's great to keep in balance and in mind. But
there is something about the way here they also invoke
(19:35):
it's a world of dread and fear, and that also
the only water flowing is the bitter sting of tears.
And then I was talking about Sting, the singer in
Stings Tears.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
No, it's wild that this plays on the radio often
every you know, post Thanksgiving, all of December.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's pretty heavy. They don't want to get caught up
in the clanging chimes of doom.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, so Tom Paul McCartney's like samely, Yeah, exactly, you
could see.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I always think about that, like if there was one
song in the Beatles catalog that I would show an
alien to be like, this was how these two people
at their peak interacted. It's we could work it out,
we can work it out, whatever the title that song is.
Because like Paul's verses are like and then John comes in,
(20:31):
He's like, life is very short. That's a great minor key,
Like the bridge is like John's like, let's make sure
people don't forget, like there is the clanging giants of doom.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And Paul's like Desmond has a ladder and he's walking
to the Poli shop.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But then just fucking Paul wrote eleanor Rigby, you know,
and yesterday I could joke about Paul bite I stand
a Paul song. There is this, you know, I need
to talk about this, every Omar, every Mackay. There is
a story that I was told, you know, I'm a
big Elliot Smith fan noted Beatles fan noted Beatles acolyte
(21:16):
his own thing with it, but definitely so much Beatles
in the soup. There with Elliott, they were having a
cover and thought of as kind of, you know, like
there's a rawness or realness. You'd think of Elliott as
sort of like a John George hybrid perhaps, But there
was a conversation who was having once with Rob Schnaff,
record producer, and they were going through it who was
the best and at the end of all of it
(21:37):
extolling George's virtues, and John brought the and then there
was like a silence and Elliott said, and that's why
it's such a bummer that Paul was by far the
best one of all of them. Wow, And it's about musicality.
That guy could do things as a musician that like
kind of very few people like John and George couldn't
do what Paul could do. Paul couldn't do what they
(22:00):
could do like energetically, spiritually, attitudinally, but he could play
everything they could play and with ease. Paul could do things.
They would sit there and be like, the fuck are
you doing dude, that's insane? Anyway, what is that?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, coming back, it's interesting that Christmas songs is such
a thing to try to do right, and like even
just the fact that both like that, Lennon and McCartney
both have Christmas songs on their solo joints and then
they influenced that. They're obviously a huge influence on these
euro Star of them. Yes, and yeah, it's it's actually
(22:36):
interesting that they're not on this right.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, this was eight four, This was right after John five.
This is within five years John passing. But it's kind
of funny that I bet they asked McCartney. Yeah, it
was Jarrson. John was eighty one, eighty December of eighty Yeah,
so this is like maybe this was just a period
of time where those guys were just like not doing things.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Like it's also the younger generation right, So it's like, yes,
singing bono, like that's that's clearly like this. It's so
far away from the Beatles and somebody.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
This is early you two to this is like you
two two. And they did ask Desmond Tutu, but he
he was offending it this right of course.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And at this point did they write the theme song
to Entourage yet or they were still.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah this was this was actually early Jane's and they're
notably absent, but uh, you two had written the theme
song for Entourage and sold it to Jane's. Oh yeah,
that's a little known. I do the research too, No
big deal.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh wait it was Jane's addiction. Did that was the
theme song to Entourage?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh that's why that feels very bono to me, because
I was also thinking that, like does Treys song?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh yeah, remember.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That one from Vertigo?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah? Vertigo?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
That seems like the same genre as the theme song.
It's a I got that wrong, but.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you if you go and check it out on
Apple Music or Spotify or Deezer or wherever you listen
to music, there is a genre in and of itself,
and the two songs are Vertigo and theme from entourage,
so it's not it's an it's an honest mistake.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
What are your overall thoughts on Christmas music Christmas pop music.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I think there's a sweet spot and the utility to
it for me, like I kind of like there is
something to be said for like, uh, it helps demarcate
the sort of moment and I think like when you're
like moving around in a supermarket and you're like, oh,
they're playing that Mariah Carrey song, I guess it really is.
(24:55):
We really are coming up on Christmas time. And there's
actually some like I think Phil Spector, I know, you know,
criminally misunderstood, totally innocent guy. But that Phil Spector Christmas
record he made with the Run, Yes, that is like
amazing music. I could listen to that. And that Willie
Nelson it's called Pretty Paper, that Willie Nelson Christmas record.
(25:16):
Those are things like that whole month leading into the
end of December. Like I do listen to that, like
around edy and stuff because I'm like, well, I want
to have some of that on and those are like,
I know, I really like those.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I will say that I'm not the biggest holiday spirit
person songs do kind I know, I know please don't
stop listening to the cops on my door. Cops are
at my fucking door. But certain it's all fuck, it's
Bono and Jane's addiction. They're mad that I screwed that up.
(25:52):
There are certain songs that get me in the holiday spirit,
and they really do.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
They kick me in.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Those songs are Tom Petty, Oh Baby, It's Christmas all
over again.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, that's a good one. That was on Gap Kids
when I worked there. That was on the Christmas Like, Okay,
even the store Satn Island Mall shouts out to Gap Kids.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I gotta also give it to the waitresses Christmas rapping.
I always like that song.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Insane song. Also, that's a great song to go lyric
for lyric about because it's really nuts. It's really really crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, and then yeah, I don't know the other one's
I'm not sure. I kind of I kind of like
the Charlie Brown Christmas album.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah that so my daughter was my daughter.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Was born on December twentieth, and so we took her
home on Christmas Eve and I put that record on
on the way on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So that was like, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
But even I've always liked that those those tunes off
that album, oh especially Christmas Time, that's the one. And
it's so simple. And that's the thing. I think this
song's too complicated. There's too many different lookouts and.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
This song makes you I love this shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I want to like it because I do, you know,
like I don't mind things with the message or at
least just like stuff reading money for things. But it's
it's too it's too overwritten and over complicated.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Also, what there is a absolutely and something can be
for a good purpose and be patently ridiculous. There's a
lot of things that are for a good purpose that
are like kind of like sanctimonious, condescending and ultimately like
not very good. And this I think falls into that
that lyrically anyway, it falls into that category. For sure.
(27:38):
I think that there's but I also think there's something
about you know, the greatest gift they'll get this year
is life. I know, and I set out loud, maybe
that's what everybody should feel. Maybe it shouldn't be the
greatest gift I got this year was that constant or
(28:04):
like or you know, my that that sort of at
home gaming system, or my weighted blanket for my anxiety
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I love a kid being like, could I have an
at home gaming system, a child being like, I'll take
I'll take an at home gaming It's like, well, well,
actually you just get life.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah yeah, and being like, oh, well, I guess at
the But honestly though, like a cool, forward thinking kid
would be like, I can't even have an at home
gaming system if I don't have life first. But also
there is something echoey house he lives in. He must
be really poor. You know that kid's poor as fuck.
(28:42):
Best gift they'll get this year is life where nothing
ever grows, like this is confusing our life. And so
I'm with you. I do think I'm my chance he is.
I love the gallop, I love the Phil Collins drumming.
I do think they form it with commitment. I think
it's actually a more enjoyable listen than we are the world.
(29:06):
I'm comparing those direct correlative. But also I think it's
lyrically ridiculous, sanctimonious and silly. And at the end of
it thought, there's something most important I want to say
to you, though.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Hit me tell me.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you know whose birthday is December nineteenth? Yours? Yeah, Doggie,
one day apart from the most precious person in your life.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So the two most precious people in my life, you
and Gollum.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yay, precious, but also got to keep that quiet.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Cannondorf, Yeah, no, that's that's wild. Speaking of you, do
you consider you have a song called Splitting Up Christmas?
Do you consider that a Christmas song?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, I knew all the greats had to try to
tackle it at some point, you know, And so what
I thought was like Lennon McCartney, Irving Berlin, Charles Gushwinn,
Gurles Darwin. You know, so I was like Gannon Door
from Zeldas. I don't know, it's it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I don't think you probably didn't write it as a
Christmas song, but maybe you did.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What I think is more actually, I think so I had.
That song was written for a record that came out
in two thousand and three called Make the Clocks Move.
None of my records are like successful with a capital S.
But in the little sort of corner of the universe
we occupy, there are some that have like a slightly
larger tribe than others. And I think that one's one
of them, where there's another one called Brother's Blood. That
(30:24):
is probably also true about that. But with when writing
the stuff for Make the Clocks Move, I was like
a twenty two year old kid, and it was a
lot more just like unedited, you know what I mean.
Like I think the inner editor was like a little
bit more like. I was also pretty much always drunk.
And also when you're a kid, you're just sort of
like churning. You're making big choices, yeah, or you're not.
(30:47):
You're just it's just coming out, you know what I mean.
And I think that I our friend Jay Miller, who
was in a band called Monty Love on Staten Island
and always would do these Christmas parties, these shows every
year at a place called Dock Street. There was a
year he was going to do two an afternoon one
at some bar and then in the evening the rock
show at Dock Street. My band was going to play
(31:11):
at the rock show, but I was going to do
a solo set at the afternoon thing, and we were
going to do a split CD one song. A split
EP is big. This is big of the era. A
split EP was big at this era. And no, no, no,
this was two and so I think that we recorded
a song each at his apartment on a four track,
(31:35):
and I was like, oh, we're doing that. I should
like write something for it, but write it in the
style of how I write. And we ended up really
liking it. And by the time the record was the
time we were making the record, the guys that were
producing it were like, we should just record that song too,
and just and now there's a studio album, really, for
(31:57):
all intents and purposes, the first one of mine anyone
paid any kind of attention to that has a fucking
Christmas song on it. And when we did the twentieth
anniversary shows for that record, every night it was like,
and here's a Christmas song, because like, what else did
you think a fifty three minute long, like endless, almost
no repeating lyrics, lageryic Hi, I'm a twenty three year
(32:18):
old to can't shut my brain off? What else would
it need? I guess a Christmas song.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's because when I think of the song and I
know the song, I know that that record really well.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I actually don't.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I don't think of it as like it doesn't feel
crazy Christmas. Ye, it does, maybe a little bit, and
then it has the word in it, but it feels
like a song about Christmas and about does that make
it a Christmas song?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right? Like?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I actually like that it's not necessarily because it's I
don't know, it's it's about splitting up where to go
for Christmas?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right. I always thought that that's to me, it was
also more about a song about family and friendship and
community and the thing that sort of might, like uh,
be emphasized more on days like that we have more
of a prompter an emphasis to reflect on it. But
(33:10):
I can see why you didn't think it was a
Christmas song because there's zero mention of banishing shade. Yeah,
that's true. You didn't banish any shade during it. What happened.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You didn't shame people. I think, knowing about famine in Africa.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You do that elsewhere. I didn't do it there. But
I do think that at the at the before we
rap with this, I do just want to point out
too quickly what not too quickly as well? I want
too quickly that you know, one of the things that's
the through line between some of that great Christmas music
we were talking about we do like is there's a
sense of like melancholie in it that I think is
(33:44):
a part of that season two, and that's part of
stuff like even like Silent Night. That song's so beautiful
because there's also like a hint of melancholie in it
as well for all of its joyful celebration, which I
think is like representative of, you know, like a Drew
Live experience. But you know, anyway, that's what I think
I give. I give everything a chance on Christmas, even
shade banishment. I do hope that the African stuff got solved.
(34:08):
I don't know what happened after this song, but I
think everything's fine now. They raised ten million dollars. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That's con fete a lot of peeps, I think I
assume back especially back then with inflation.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I'll take ten mil. Now, if any of the chances
want to throw ten mil my way, I'll eat and
eat and eat, dogg eat.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I might take ten, but give me the ten mil.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I'll slice you five.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'll slide you five foul and then we could as
long as we talk about it, we're good.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
So what do we got to talk about though?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Just if it's okay with me taking the money, and
then just to the fact that we had the conversation.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I was honest about it, and I slide, So you
would be You would be the one having fun on Christmas,
and I would be the other ones, yes, the other ones.
All right, chances clearly you see whose bread is buttered where,
and hell, yay yay, just give it a ship.
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