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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot
of great stories to cover with you guys this week.
Today we're going to start off with Gene Hackman's house,
you know, the one that him and his wife died in,
is up for sale. Then we have an update on
the Indiana Jones experience at Disney, and speaking of injuries
at theme parks, another person has died on a roller
(00:42):
coaster at Universal Studios. Then we'll talk about a really
crazy true crime case involving a child that killed his
father over a Nintendo switch. There is a lawsuit involving Pernuvo, which,
if you guys recall, is the company that Kim Kardashian
was endorsing, saying that they did elective full body MRIs.
(01:04):
And a man claims that there was something really huge
missed on his which in turn caused him to have
a near death experience. So we'll talk about that, and
a man who tried to board on a flight with
his dead wife. Will finish that up with your questions, comments,
and emails. All that and more on today's episode. So
(01:26):
I apologize to you guys, because obviously I'm sick. I
have two kids in my house that tested positive for
the flu despite the fact that they both had flu shots,
and now I have it. So there you go. But
the show must go on, so let's let's get started.
Gene Hackman, I'm like, I want to hear your thoughts
(01:49):
because I'm just so annoyed by this hold.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
At first, I wouldn't say. When you recorded the More
the Monday's Morbid Minute yesterday, I knew. I knew I
was gonna mess this up. This is like, you know,
if we came up with the name six Shocking Stories,
were like, are we idiots?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, it all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Anyway, when you said me the audio, I was like,
she definitely sounds off And I was like, are you sick?
And you said no. And then hours later you said
the Demigorgan's coming from and I'm like, are you hallucinating
or are you sick? But yeah, I can. It's funny
how I could tell just by the shift in your
voice from week to week. But yeah, anyway, So first
(02:25):
of all, I can't believe it's almost been a year
since they died. Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa. I could
never say her last name either. It was in February
last year. I feel like it was much sooner than that,
maybe because it comes up so often in conversation, it
hasn't seemed that long. But that's truly nuts. But yeah,
their Santa Fe home that they were found dead in
has now been listed for sale for over six million dollars.
(02:48):
I was interested in the price point because on the
article we referenced for the story, they were saying the
median house sale in that area was going for six
hundred thousand and this one's going for ten times as
much money. But I mean, again, they have a pretty
huge property and it's a custom build. They've lived there
for a couple decades, So what do you think about
(03:08):
the price point?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So what was it six point five million?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's listed on It was six point two five And
at first I was I was looking into it if
it was listed as cheaper because of what happened there,
But it actually seems like astronomical for the area.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They well, they said that they are listing it cheaper
because they think that I mean, I don't think that
that's astronomical. Honestly, it's fifty three acres and the house
is thirteen thousand square feet, Like I don't even know
how many comps in that area are anywhere near that,
Like maybe like a house like mine would sell on
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average for that much money, Like not this house, this
is this is a beautiful estate, I guess. So they
were saying that normally a house like this with some
one that's really like an A List actor, would sell
for high or just because the A List actor lived there.
But they said, oh, you know, we're just we're just
(04:09):
gonna base it priced on what we felt was a
fair market value. Well, why do you think they're doing that?
Because really, who wants to live there? I mean, I
know there's interest in like in sites where people died,
which I understand that, but this is actually like to
(04:31):
another level of not only just gross, but could potentially
make you sick as well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well. That was my favorite quote I pulled from the article,
which was, there will be some buyers that are just
adverse to purchasing a property where death has occurred. First
of all, if you're buying a house like you should,
especially an older one, obviously, you should maybe assume a
death has occurred there, whether it was a horrific commicide
or a natural death. There's been at least a couple
(04:58):
that have happened in my house whatever. But I think
most houses, especially older ones, you could say somebody has
probably died from old age or whatever in the house.
So get that out of your mind and get over it, basically, right.
But we know in this case that she died from hantavirus,
which stems from rodents, so like what exactly all with it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So it's like, we know one hundred percent certain that
there are probably deer mice. They're a common vector in
that area of hantavirus living somewhere in that fifty three
acre estate or in or around their thirteen thousand square
foot home. That virus can infect people that are completely healthy.
(05:44):
So for me, it's just like that's kind of almost
a hot zone. I would stay away from that just
because you know it's there. Now it is all over
the place too, and people aren't getting sick in that area.
But it's just like, I don't know, It just kind
of freaks me out a little bit to know that
something that Betsy was doing on that property, whether she
(06:05):
was cleaning up mouse droppings or whatever, she was exposed
to the urine of one of these infect advice and
got the haunt of virus, and she was completely healthy
before she got it, and then she died. Furthermore, they
were both dead for a significant amount of time and
decomposing in that house, which is also just it's it's
(06:26):
juicy smelly, and I don't know. I mean, obviously they
cleaned it up, because I mean it's not in some
cases like that when a person decomposes, you're talking about
like cutting out sections of floor because you can't get
the smell out. So they've done something. They restaged the home,
all this stuff. I mean, the pictures of it are
(06:47):
absolutely gorgeous. Anybody would want the house, but I don't know.
The whole thing of it is just kind of like
every single time you go in that one room, what
you just be like, oh, there was a dead decomposing
body and he or in I don't know, and a
dog two died.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like listen, I understand that I obviously learned recently that
somebody died in my house from alleged autoerotic exphectiation, which
doesn't make me feel good. So every time I go
in that space, yeah, it crosses my mind. But like
I think people do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Die in house at least he died doing something that
he loved.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, yeah, and I don't even know if it's true
or not. It was like we're it on the street,
So I don't know. I tried to look it up.
I couldn't find any confirmed records of it, and anybody
that's lived here around that time is just like, we
don't talk about that. So I do think it was
maybe something along those lines. But yeah, I understand that.
I wonder I don't know about in New Mexico or
(07:43):
like in general real estate law, if you have to
disclose those Obviously everybody knows what happened in the house,
but I'm saying if this happened to a regular person
that died and was decomposing in the house for a
long period of time, I wonder if that has to
be disclosed, because I believe in New Jersey you only
have to disclose if a homicide or crime occurred in
a house within seven years.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean, I don't I feel like that could be
more of an issue because let's say, for example, someone
was going to someone's house to kill them because you know,
like in a homicide case, they're going there because they
hate this person.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
If you know, you hear that time to time.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like let's say, for example, a person buys a house
that like a prosecutor used to own, and then they
move into it, and then all of a sudden, some
person gets out of jail and wants revenge and they
think that that prosecutor still lives there, but really it's
someone else. I feel like something like that has happened
within the past couple of years, so it's like you
(08:44):
should be aware that there was a point where some
kind of criminal activity was happening, just because like, I've
been at this house now for thirteen years, and I
still get mail from people that used to live here,
So there is a chance that people, you know, think
that you are still at the house even if you're
not at the house, and people could show up. But
(09:05):
I just think a regular death is like whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Funny because that happened to us once when we were
looking for a house. We really liked this one house,
and then we were outside and we were asking one
of the neighbors, like a house the neighborhood, and she
was just like, you know that the guy that lived
here died in that house, And I was like, okay, whatever,
and she was like no, like his dead body was
in that house. And I'm like, okay, Like people get
(09:31):
really freaked out about that. But it's just like my
house now was built in eighteen hundreds, like I'm sure
many people died here. There were probably kids born here too, right,
Like well, that's what I'm saying, and like a real
you have a house over one hundred years old, and
like sometimes old people just die in their house like
(09:52):
it just happens.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's it's nothing to ferry it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It happens to my next door I mean, it happened
in my next door neighbor. Like she she her wife
died at the at the house like that that it
just happens, and the medical examiner came and picked her
up and then they brought her to the funeral home
and that was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That, Like people die, Like, but did your neighbor know
that when they bought that, That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't know. I'm not thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Because my neighbor Nicole is probably listening right now, so surprised.
But it was natural, right, So it's like nothing like
she just died like in her sleep or right around
that time when she tried to get up.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not It's just not that big of a deal yet.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's how I feel about it too. Obviously people feel
the type of way about it, but I think if
you're buying an older house, it would be difficult to
find one where somebody didn't die in the house maybe
at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, So I mean whatever. And I know there's there's
crime scene cleaning companies they're all over Instagram too, that
are that are cleaning up these decomposed bodies and they
do a great job. So that's not as much of
a concern for me as this whole like hantavirus thing.
It's just I feel like, you know, it's it's so
specific and there's only a small number of cases reported
(11:08):
a year, but like if you know a place where
it actually happened, I just personally would stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh you don't mean when after this happened, the news
wasn't trying to fear Manker all of us that it
was like the next pandemic yet us. Yeah, I was
getting out of hand all right. Update in the Disney
Indiana Jones malfunction, So the guy who was hit with
the four hundred pounds. Rubber Ball is now revealing the
extent of his injuries, and it was actually pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So you know what's interesting When we posted our little
teaser of this episode on Instagram, I was surprised that
there were some people that commented and just said, like, yeah, right,
that ball wasn't four hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It was more like, you guys are idiots, why would
you think that?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like all that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But I'm just kind of like, the video is not
ai right. So if you just look at the man's response,
it like, there's no way that his body thrusted like
that if it was something light that hit him. Rubber
is also heavy, I don't, I know, it looks like
I know, like I guess what they're saying is, if
you look at it, it looks like it could be
(12:13):
like a giant pool toy or something, just because it's
but it's just not like once you see it hit
the guy, you're like, Okay, this was heavy. You could
just tell, of course. So so anyway, he broke his
frickin neck. He has two broken vertebral bones in his neck,
and that could cause I mean, that protects your very
(12:35):
essential and important spinal cord. So if that injury was
severe enough, that could have severed a part of his
spinal cord and he could have had either partial or
full paralysis, So that that's really serious. Now, one thing
I want to note about the article is that this
dude is like it looks very happy, go lucky, and
he's smiling, and I'm just like, yeah, man, like he
(12:58):
knows what's about to happen with him. Well, did you
not probably the best place to get injured like that?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah? But did you notice it said his sister in
law set up a GoFundMe to support his wife and
his kids. And I'm like, this man has been an
employee of at least this ride or experience whatever it's
called technically for thirty years. And he said he just
he didn't even think about it before he did it.
He did it so the ball wouldn't hit the audience.
(13:25):
Disney should be kissing his ass.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
For his heroic amption. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm sure that that will all come out. But they're
doing they you know, they have lawyers investigation and this,
that and the other. He's going to get some kind
of a settlement and I imagine it's going to be
pretty significant. But like in the meantime, if he was
just you know, an average paid employee. He needs money,
(13:49):
and like, honestly, like anytime someone gets anything happens to
any person nowadays, it's just like an excuse to make
a GoFundMe for them, right, So, like it's up to
as of this morning, it was up to like eleven
grand So I mean, good for it. I guess I
wonder how they're gonna alter the I hate that it's
not technically a ride.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm just gonna call it a ride. Everybody knows what
I mean. I wonder how.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
They're gonna alter their experience.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's it's a show, but I guess it's a show.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Technically it's a spectacular stunt show.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I wonder if they're gonna either put like some type
of barrier up on the path it rolls down, or
if they're gonna put some type of barrier in front
of the audience, you know what I mean. So if
it happens again, I just can't believe this has never
happened in decades, that the thing has never gone off track,
because it looked like it happened real easy.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Louis thisss.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I know that's my brother's favorite ride since he was
a little kid.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So in other news at amusement parks, we have another death,
this time at Universal Studios.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, so as seventy year old woman died while riding
one of our favorite roller coasters ever, which I probably
haven't been on in fifteen years. So I don't know
if it's still good or not. Put the Revenge of
the Mummy.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Roller coast fifteen years. I feel like it's like twenty
years yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Probably. Why did we go to Universal last?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I feel like I.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Feel like we went who did we even go with?
Did we go with some of my classmates or was
it even before then? Oh no, I'm serious, it was
like twenty years ago. Didn't we go with like Annie
and Deity or something and Louis or something.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I feel like I wasn't. Yeah I had to be.
I feel like I wasn't like a little little kid,
but I might have been Lilian's age where around her age.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, it's been a while, but yeah that I thought
that years ago. I just remember thinking that ride was cool,
and we went on at a bunch of times because
there was no one there and somehow we were able
to go on a bunch. But so they still haven't
said what happened to this lady. But she was seventy
years old, So like a part of me is just like,
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if you're older, especially if you feel good, you shouldn't
have to not do stuff Like if you're seventy and
you're trying to have fun in your life and you
want to go on a roller coaster, go on a
roller coaster. But I guess you just need to know
when you go on rides that accelerate like that, if
you have any kind of underlying especially like a cardiovascular
thing where if you get too excited, it could cause
(16:23):
your heart to have like an arrhythmia and you could
basically have a heart attack. Or if you have a
cardiovascular thing where there's a vessel that's just like about
to burst and it just needs the right amount of
force to cause it to do that, it's a chance
you're taking. And we talked about this a few months ago.
(16:43):
We had this one that I actually wrote about in
the grocer room. I did a forensic Friday on it
back in December for a guy who also died on
a ride at Universal, and here he was significantly younger.
But if you remember, he was in a wheelchair, and
he had a history of spinal hardware put in and
(17:06):
also a broken femur that was repaired, so his skeleton
was not stable. And I believe that that's how they
said that the death was accidental and it wasn't on
the ride at all, So a person like him should
absolutely have not been on the ride. And we'll get
more information with this woman. I mean, like, when you're seventy,
(17:27):
you could be completely healthy, but you could also have
a history of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, whatever, and maybe she
shouldn't have went on the ride. They didn't even say
if it was like natural or accidental or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So yeah, and I mean, I guess what I don't
really like about this is we're just finding out about
this now and it happened back in November. Because they're
saying the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services list
incidents that occur at amusement parks that employ their own
full time safety and must self report incidents as they
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are exempt from state inspections, and then the incidents are
broken down on a quarterly basis. So are there other
incidents not getting reported because they're self reported. I don't
really like that these are exempt from state inspections. I know,
I'm sure so I'd hear about it in Florida all
(18:24):
the time. I Mean, the worst one ever was that
that kid that went in that I don't know what
you would call that, like a free fall. I don't
know the exact name of that ride, but the the
kid that was significantly overweight and shouldn't have been on
it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Because the hardest terrible. That was so terrible. God, that
video is so it's just so so terrible. I am
such a crazy person when when the kids go on rides,
like I just I'm so scared because half of the time,
and maybe this is a false sense of security, but
I feel like at Disney they just hire people that
(19:00):
are a little bit more like interested in doing the
rides because they know how important it is the safety
of it. But like at the Boardwalk, for example, everyone's
high all the time and they're like fifteen years old,
you know, they're just like and some of those rides,
I mean, they're not as extreme as something like the
(19:23):
Mummy sometimes, but like if they fell off of it,
they could get significantly her or killed. It just scares
the shit out of me.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, I encourage everybody to read both our Disney and
six Flags high Profile death to sections because you will
see there is a very distinct difference between how the
two parks handle accidents and the type of accidents that
occur between the two.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Oh yeah, that fire at six Flags, Geese, that was bad.
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Speaker 1 (21:06):
Okay, this I hate hearing stories about little kids like
wanting to kill people. It's just so disturbing to me
that we hear this from time to time, just knowing
kids that are around this age, thinking like, how is
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a kid this hateful? And I mean the biggest case
I could think of in recent memory of us covering
on this show is that six year old or even
five year old at the time that shot his first
grade teacher.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh yeah, You're just like like what I really would
like to just talk to a psycho a psychologist about
this and just see like, what is it about that
kid that makes that kid like that, because it's just
so abnormal from most other children that age. Well, let's
get into this one. This is disturbing all around. So
(22:01):
an eleven year old boy has been charged with homicide
after his father took away his Nintendo switch and after
he was looking for it on his birthday. He came
across a revolver and decided he was gonna shoot his
dad in the head. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I mean, so the mom.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The mom wakes up to this loud noise and she
doesn't know what's going on because it's dark, and then
she hears something that sounds like water dripping and turns
on the lights and sees that it's blood in her
husband is laying there bleeding out.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean, this is like one of these examples of
you hear about this video game being taken away. They
didn't even really get into why the game was taken
from him to begin with, but I guess, but who
cares exactly. It doesn't matter why the game was taken
away with. The kid should not be getting so angry
from that that this is the result of it. But
they're saying that it was the day of his eleventh birthday,
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so he didn't have the switch. It had been taken
from him. I don't know if it was that day
or prior or whatever, but there's before they went to bed,
they sang happy birthday to him. Everything seemed okay. So
he's looking for the Nintendo switch, and he's also getting
He also later admitted that he got angry that they
made him go to bed, So he's looking for the
switch and sees there's a safe in the house and
(23:15):
thinks that the switch is in the safe, So he
ends up finding the keys to the safe, goes in there,
finds the gun, and then just says he was so
angry that he didn't and he didn't even think about
the consequences of what could potentially happen, which is very
concerning and I hate to be like this, but I
also have some criticism for the parents for allowing access
into the safe that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Easily for young kid.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just think that once the investigation comes out with this,
there's just going to be more to the story. There
has to be, I mean, and maybe I'm just being
naive by saying this, but I feel like I feel
like if my kids found a gun, they wouldn't know
how to just like pick it up and use it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, exactly easily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
The gun is I fired several different kinds of guns,
and they're not very easy to do. Act Like, I
know that it can be if it's if it's loaded
and it's just like ready to go, But I mean, so, yeah,
like I know that you're like, I don't want to
blame the parents, but you one hundred percent I don't care,
Like I one hundred percent blame the parents. You can't
have a firearm in your house that's not away from
(24:23):
the children. Like that literally would not have happened kids.
I mean, kids get pissed off. They do, It's normal,
and they just shouldn't even have had access to anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But I feel like there's gonna be a little.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Bit more to the story because didn't they say in
the article that the kid had a like a bruise
on his face and a laceration or something.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and they didn't really get in detail about what
that was about. Also, I want to point out, like
he used a revolver, which you could argue was one
of the easier guns to fire, right, but a why
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What was so it was loaded?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Though? Like was it loaded or did he know how
to loaded? Like exactly, there's you know, there's in our
area junior shooting range for kids can go. You know,
it doesn't mean all of them are murderers, but some children,
especially if they're parents or family members, are hunting. They're
interested in it and they learn at a young age
how to do it, so like was it loaded? Did
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he know how to load it? The thing that's concerning
for me is this revolver seemed to have a hammer,
which he was well enough aware that he had to
pull it back to fire the guns.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's what I'm saying, Like, there's just I feel like
this isn't his first experience with this gun. And you know,
like I don't know. I take my kid's iPads away sometimes,
like why would you put it in a seat? You know,
like why is the kid really why does the kid
even know that there's a safe? Like that's something when
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you have a weapon like that, that's something that should
just exist that your child doesn't even know that it's
in the house. They don't know it's in the house.
They don't know because sometimes if you say to a kid, like, oh,
don't touch this, this is don't ever use the key,
like that's exactly what they used, they would want to do.
But like I we grew up around hunters and guns,
(26:12):
and I feel like it was an unspoken you just
know you don't touch them. So but but like that
that doesn't work with kids, It works with you because
you follow rules, but like we used to. We used
to be a nanny and Pop's basement and they were
locked up in the in the case, but like we
would look around the basement to try to find the
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cave for it, just just because they told us not
to like this, This is what children do, right, It's
just like you you have to just assume that every
kid is going to not listen to you, and that
should be there's child proof safe that sometimes you have
to like use your fingerprint to open it or something
like that. It's just completely unacceptable that that was even
(26:56):
in the house. But so this kid is it was
adopted correct.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, in tw twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, so that's another thing like that, So that kid
wasn't adopted as a baby. No, he was like three
ish when he was adopted already. So that's another thing
to take into consideration, is like what was that kid's
life for the first three years of his life?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Where was he how was he treated?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, like did he have pre existing trauma?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Because I mean, like it's possible that they had the
kid from the time it was an infant because of
like a foster care situation and they finally made the adoption.
We don't really know, but it's just an interesting thing
to note and talk about that potentially this kid had
a lot of negative experiences prior to even getting in
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the care of this family.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, it's just worrisome in general that a child is
getting that angry that they are seeking to hurt somebody
as a response to the anger. Kids get angry all
the time. It doesn't mean they want to hurt somebody.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, but I don't know, it's just a hard age
because they're so young. Like you have kids that they
get in a fight and then they they their first
instinct is like hit somebody back.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's just like they when when you're an adult you I'll.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Say you usually because most adults, like when they get pissed,
they don't want to hit somebody. But it's clearly happens
in abusive relationships and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
So the impulsivity of.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Being angry isn't as much of a concern to me
as because I don't really think an eleven year old,
although they do, they do, they are starting to learn
right from wrong and all of that stuff. I just
don't really think they quite understand the full impact of
things like that or or how that works. Like a
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child just doesn't really understand that completely. So I mean
when you have a kid of this age, it was
the same. It was even worse with the six year
old that the teacher. It's just like, what are you
gonna put them in jail? I mean, like Luchi is
eleven years old, she doesn't she couldn't live on her own,
you know what I mean, Like she knows right from wrong,
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is she's starting to get to that point, but like
she couldn't just she's not an adult. She couldn't go
out and like get a credit card and drive a car,
and she doesn't know how to be an adult, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So it's just like, what do you do with these kids?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, and I feel like that's maybe where the homicide
charge is stemming from it. I don't know if he's
gonna get fried as an adult, which would be crazy
because he's eleven years old. But at the same time,
like we're just kind of missing information, Like we know
from this article he knew enough to pull the hammer
back to fire the gun, but did he load the gun?
How familiar was he with it? Did his dad show
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it was he sneaking in the safe all of the
time and playing around with it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
We just really don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay, let's get into this Pernuva case. So a man
is suing the health care company Pernuvo after he paid
twenty five hundred dollars for a full body scan and
was told he was all clear, only to have a
debilitating stroke a couple months later. All right, So we
did talk about this on this show, how it was
really weird that some high list celebrities are promoting this thing.
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It's twenty five hundred dollars to get a full body scan,
but that price doesn't just include going in this machine
and getting the scan, because the MRI machine doesn't give
you results. There's an actual radiologist that needs to look
at that, and that's a lot for them to look
at every square inch of a human body all of
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the I don't know if you've ever seen what an
MRI looks like.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But they take multiple it's.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Almost like they're doing a dissection of you.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
While you're still alive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like they just take slices and look at it from
all different levels to see how your your organs look,
your arteries look, and things like that. So they they
missed apparently on his scan of his brain, the cerebral
arteries that are bringing oxygen from the heart to the brain,
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one of them had such significant I guess in hindsight,
when they went back and looked at it, it had
such significant narrowing that in a real life situation, like
let's say you just had that done at your doctor
and they scanned your brain, they would be like, we
need to do further work up because you're at risk
of a stroke. But they saw that or did it
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they didn't see it, and gave him a clear bill
of health. And then eight months later he had a
pretty severe stroke where he has paralysis at least on
certain parts of the left side of his body. So
this brings up an interesting question like how liable is
this company because it you know, when your insurance isn't
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paying for this, you're spending twenty five hundred dollars or
your own money for this additional coquur peace of mind,
and you're told that everything looks good, but like everything
wasn't good for him.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, I wanted to point that out too, because an
interesting detail is that he was thirty five years old
and I am only four years away from that age.
And I don't feel like in the next five even
ten years that I would need to get a full
preventative scan on my body to make sure that nothing
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was wrong. And then that he had the stroke so
young is kind of odd to me, don't you think, Well, like,
did he I guess what I'm getting at is, did
he know that he had a pre existing condition or
something and that's why he got the scan? No.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I just think that people just want to know what's
going on inside their body, Like if you I mean,
there's lots of people that have millions of dollars and
it's like twenty five hundred dollars is like twenty five
dollars to normal people. It's nothing like, Oh, I'll just
get this done and see like I always have this
weird headache or I have I always have this like
pain in my leg. Is there anything there? I mean,
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why not? Right? Like, I think most people would want
to do it just because there's a potential you can
see a small tumor or something like that. So I
don't think he knew. He had this scan done and
eight months later he had this stroke. So they compared
the pernuva scan with the scan from when he had
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his stroke, So a blood clot got stuck in that
air that area where the cerebral artery was narrowed, and
it was the same exact spot. So and that's that's
what the worry is when you have a narrowed artery,
is that blood could clot up and get stuck there
and then all of a sudden, oxygen's not getting to
your brain anymore, and that part of your brain could
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die off and then you have a stroke or like
lose oxygen at least. So I think it's valid. I mean,
the thing is is that I don't know what kind
of papers you sign when you get this done. That
just says like, hey, this is kind of for fun,
so if we you know, I mean, if you're marketing it,
like Kim Kardashian was saying, Oh, you should get this
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done because this saved me. I almost had a life
threatening aneurysm, which she didn't, by the way, just because
if she did, they would have done surgery on her
right away, and as we know, she didn't have anything done.
Then like they're advertising it as like, hey, you might
have this thing that you could catch early, when indeed,
if they did catch it early, it would have saved
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his life. So the fact that you're like, who are
they getting to read this? Cause I think about it
like this, twenty five hundred dollars to get that test
done is really not that much money, considering you have
to pay for the staff to run the machine, you
have to pay for the machine itself. It takes forty
five minutes to an hour to get the scan done,
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and then you need to pay a radiologist who's a
doctor to read it, which takes a long time because
it's a really long scan. It's a big scan with
lots of pictures. So like, I can't imagine how the
company's making too much money off of it unless they're
like lowballing radiologists or having them read them too fast.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, unless the scan itself is twenty five hundred dollars
and then you're paying a separate fee for the doctor
to review.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Like I wouldn't assume that if I was a customer,
I would think the whole thing's twenty five hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, I also think it's valid. I just wanted to
point that out because I thought that guy was pretty
young to be having a stroke. So, like, I'm not
saying that's what happened. I'm just like trying to think
of all possible scenarios. But I wonder if you know,
you make a good point, like we don't know the
type of paperwork you're signing when you're getting this done.
I wonder if they could try to get them on
false advertising or something like that. It said their website
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says the scan can detect subtle changes early and quote
spot potential issues before they become serious. So I mean,
they could probably use that in court as a false
advertising claim.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like let me, let me give you an example. When
you get there's all of these businesses around. I don't
know if there are any works. So I haven't been
pregnant in eleven years, but when I was pregnant, at
least with my last one, there's all these businesses around
that you can go and get an ultrasound to see
like a forty image of your baby. Right when I
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went to get that done, it was just kind of like,
hey that all the papers I signed were just like, hey,
this is for fun. We can't diagnose anything. We can't
promise you this is gonna look good. If something looks wrong,
you're gonna have to follow up. Your with your doctor
like like a hands off like we're just showing you.
We have no responsibility what you're seeing and and like
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what we see kind of thing. Right. I almost wonder
how this pernuva is falls under just a boutique regulation, yes,
Like is it like a boutique place or is it
fall under this same exact regulations that a diagnostic MRI
would fall under.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
That is interesting to bring that comparison up. And those
places do exist. I mean there's one very close to us.
I really considered going out.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But it's it's the same thing too because like you
can go for fun, but also they do diagnostic for
the five D imaging too, so it's like they are
straight up just like this is not diagnos diagnostic. This
is just like so you could see your baby look
clearer than the regular ultra sound you get at your
doctor's appointment. So but if there has to be like
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major regulations with this.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
If you want to use that example though, like you're
going to a boutique ultrasound place to get you if
you want to argue it, you want to get cute
pictures of your baby or you just like for somebody
like me that went through IVF and everything, And like
I was getting scanned every single week till seven weeks,
and then I couldn't go till thirteen weeks, and then
I couldn't go till twenty weeks. Right, Like, somebody like
me that's an anxious person might want to go in
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between that long period of time just to see and
make sure he's moving around and everything. But like, I
feel like they are advertising it as a diagnostic service,
not just like you're coming in for fun to get
cute pictures of your baby, or just to get pictures
of your body.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, that's what and it's and really I can't think
of anything else that's quite like that, because even like
let's say, Perneuva is not even a company, right, I
don't know that I could just go to my doctor
and say I want a full body MRI and then
they'll say, okay, obviously insurance won't cover that, right for
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no reason. Like my my little one, Lucia has had
a full body MRI for her bone disorder that was
paid for with insurance because it was it was they
needed to see if she had a fauxcaia of different
areas of inflammation throughout any bones in her body. But
like if I just said to my doctor, Hey, Joe,
like I want to I want to go get a
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full body MRI, and he would say, oh, insurance won't
cover it. And then I was like, I want to
pay cash for it. Would they just do it just
because you want it? I don't even think, so, yeah,
you can't just get one.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, it's just it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So there, maybe that's where this idea stemmed from. Though, Yeah,
I mean I get it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
It's a it's a good idea for money making, but
you have to be having them legitimately read as if
it were a diagnostic one.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But healthcare providers are very critical of this service, saying
exactly what you were saying earlier, which is like when
you're going in for an MRI, it's typically for let's
use me for an example, Like my blood work was
weird for prolactin, so they were like, we want to
see if you have a pituitary atonomus, so they look
at my brain, right, and these experts are saying, like
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we go based off of symptoms or something like that.
Labs that are off to look at an area and
a specific area and it takes time to look at
one specific area in all those layers you were talking about,
So like, how are they looking at the full body
in detail like they're claiming, Yeah, it just I just
feel like it would cost to pay a radiologist to
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do it. They're just quick scanning it to see if
I think they're quick scanning to see if there's anything glaring, like, oh,
there's there's a two centimeter tumor in this person's pancreass
kind of, but like the narrowing of the cerebral artery
is a very fine but yet important, very important abnormality.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But I suppose if.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You're looking through hundreds and hundreds of pictures, it's something
that could be easily you know. And another interesting point
too is that and I don't know this any radiology
people that are listening. When I worked as a cytotechnologist,
so that was looking at slides specifically like PAP smears.
We had a limit of how many slides we were
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able to look at a day, and it was at
that time, I don't know what it is now, but
it was like we were allowed to look at one
hundred pap smears a day.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
It doesn't matter if we worked, you know, a ten
hours whatever, Like you can't work, you can't read more
than that according to laws that were made within the
laboratory accreditation systems, so for radiology, and that that's because
like let's say, for example, I'm reading pap smears at
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my job one hundred and then I go work per
damn at another hospital for another four hours at night.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Like do you really want someone like me.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Whose eyes are tired and have looked at a hundred
slides already to be looking at your pap smerror at
that second job. No, So it was just like one
hundred a day. It doesn't matter how many jobs you have.
Now if you add a per damn job, you could
do like fifty at one job and fifty at another job.
But there's like regulations for a reason. So it's the
same thing in this case, like how many how many
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slides or how many pictures is a radiologist allowed to
look at in a twenty four hour period? I'm not
sure of that.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, that's interesting. And they also pointed out that this
scan's only forty five minus and it's long, and like
I have a hard time believing that because if I
get the one on my brain with and without contrast.
That's also forty five minutes, So like, how are they
looking at the full body that quickly?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And I feel like Cicia's, I feel like Lucia's was
about an hour.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, but she's a tiny person but a full blown adult.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I think when you get the contrast, though, they take
a whole new set of pictures, so it's almost like
you're getting two separate MRIs.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
You know, I'm not really sure honestly.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
But yeah, I just think it's interesting that other healthcare
professionals are very critical of this, and it's primarily endorsed
by celebrities, so you got to think about that too,
because those people are probably getting paid. I'm just speculating that,
but the way that they push it, it just seems
like skeptical, and I think everybody the overall lesson is
you gotta do your own research before you go to
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these places. Don't just take parasit owner Kim Kardashian's word
for it. It is.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It's weird too, because they have a lot of companies
out now that you could order your own blood work too.
It's just it's just like a different thing in medicine. Well,
I mean listen, like you could say that the medical
system is screwed here, and sometimes you're just like, I
want to order this stuff because they're not getting to
the bottom of whatever's wrong with me. But so we're
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gonna be seeing more and more of these services that
you could pay cash for and just kind of bypass
you know all that.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
All right, Well, it's happened again. A man has tried
to board a flight with his dead wife. Didn't it
just happen, not like not too long ago? Yeah, it did,
And I guess I'm happy to address this in the story.
In the last one we covered where they were trying
to get that old lady on the plane, like she
was on the plane. They really almost got away with it. Honestly,
(43:44):
I was asking at that time, did she die, Like
how did she get through security? Did she die in
between going to security and getting on the plane. Did
they just say she was asleep when she was going
through security. I couldn't understand. But in this particular case,
they were trying to go through a metal detector and
the security noticed that she was unconscious and she was infected,
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and they would not let them proceed. And then this guy,
this happened in Spain, so this guy said, oh, she
died a couple hours ago, but we were here, So
I'm just confused about the security system. There was it
a secondary set of security where they just hanging out
before they went through, because typically you get dropped off
and you go right through and then you hang out
in the terminal.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Well, I guess if you have a wheelchair, you have
to go through a certain thing because you can't get
out and walk through it. So I don't I don't
know how this has happened more than once in the
past six months, but I like how they say she
also had an extremely low body temperature, Like were they
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touching her body.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
To see if she was alive?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I don't know, but I guess the thing what we
talked about last time is obviously this is ridiculous, but
we could understand it because shipping a dead body is
incredibly expensive and can just be a whole headache in itself.
So if you could try to get away with it,
I guess that's what these people are trying to do
to save somebody and headache.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I'm not hating on them.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's like, and he got arrested and unnecessary, Well, if
it might be necessary. He might have killed her, like
we don't know, but like she's eighty right, Like all
I keep thinking about is this little old man that
his wife died and he's just like kind of lost.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
And and and you.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Know, maybe people are frowning upon what he did, but whatever,
maybe she really did die at the airport and he
like freaked out and didn't know what was happening. But
like now he's got arrested, Like come on, no, it's
he also could he also could be like an abusive asshole,
like I don't know what happened, you know, it's just yeah,
I mean, it's like sad if it's just like an
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old dude.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
If they figure out that he killed her, obviously deserves
to be arrested. And then I guess where she died,
if he entered the airport with her in that state
or whatever. That's being investigated right now. But as we know,
he tried to get her through security and they were
like absolutely not. Okay, onto your questions and emails. If
you guys have questions or stories for us, please send
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them the stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. All right, this
first one's from Jen High Ladies Knewish fan obsessed about
one of the last segments on your most recent episode.
I one hundred percent agree with Nicole. One of the
main reasons I love your podcast is because you don't
speak down to your listeners. You say it how it is,
in use simple terms, and when you drop medical jargon,
usually simplify it for us. As someone who constantly has
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trouble getting her thoughts out, forget about trying to sound
smart or use big words. I appreciate this to me,
it shows anyone could be successful. The other thing I
love and had me from the beginning is Nicole's accent.
I live in central Oregon now but grew up in
upstate New York. I have family in Jersey and hearing
the accent reminds me of home and brings me comfort.
I've been hearing New Yorker and be coming out more
(46:56):
and more leately, and I'm not mad about it. Any who,
Love you guys, love the show, and welcome to hearing
more about your mother daughter dynamic.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Why is it that Nicole's accent like?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
What about yours? Yours?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You know? I was I always say this. You have
a pretty thick New Jersey accent, and so does Louie.
And I don't think Louise is as obvious because he
didn't talk that much. But what he does, it's really thick,
and I think I have it in more context, and
I think it's weird. Like sometimes I feel like some
words I say sound Southern, and I don't know, it
(47:32):
just happens, but I think you'res just definitely one hundred
percent stronger than mine.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
I had to change a lot of like now I
would say water, but I used to say water.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, I'm the same, Like I really had to.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Like force myself to not say that anymore. Just certain
types of Philly words, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Think of like like mo mom and Ricky right have
pretty strong philly Ish accents where they say like Sundy,
what a daughter, and like all those ones, whereas we say,
like my number one thing I say weird is milk.
I if I think about it, I'll say it correctly,
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but I typically say milk or him.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
You know, I can wait, I'm going home?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Is that? Yeah? I guess so, well you're thinking about it.
I think if anybody sees us in the true wild
and we're just talking, not even about these stories, talking
about life and whatever. I feel like that's what it's
the worst.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Oh yeah, people have come up to me when I
was traveling and say like, are you from Philly?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh? One hundred percent, you could always tell.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
So there's this girl on I've been seeing.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I'll send it to you next time it comes across
on Instagram and she basically all she does is talk
about how we talk around here, and she has like
thousands of use.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Wait, I think I've seen her. Does she have like
long black hair?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Like she yeah, I know exactly where.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Like today, Like today I came across one and she
was talking about how how we pronounced the streets or
like certain streets and stuff like that. And then today
was like she was doing how we would pronounce people's names.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh, I gotta see that one. Because a weird thing
in North Philly is they have a street, they have
two streets. I don't know if she covered this one.
I didn't see it, but she probably did. They have
almond in Salmon Street and they pronounce it almond and salmon,
which is drives me crazy. And what oh she said,
because I used to live near oregonev. We they all
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pronounce it in Philly argonev argon. Yeah, things like that. Yeah,
I saw she had one where she was saying, how
if somebody says you look sharp, it's like the highest
compliment in Philly. Someone's like, oh, your dress is sharp,
and it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
We just have our totally owned language here.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
She's really funny though, she that's really good videos. Yeah,
they're one hundred percent accurate. All right. Next from Heather,
Hello to my favorite pod ladies. I just wanted to
comment about the booker wall. Maria.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I am one hundred percent with you and feeling like
you want to vomit.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I am a nurse and also a part time art
teacher to an elementary junior high school. I have dealt
with more than my fair share of excrementmesis what's that
an expulsion?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Missus? And missus is just thrown up?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Okay. Nothing of my nursing career has ever made me
want to vomit. Teaching, on the other hand, has. The
one time in my life I almost vomited was turning
around and finding two boys picking their noses and eating them. Disgusting.
You would think they were kindergarteners or even first grade,
but nope, we're talking about fourth and fifth graders. They
were not eating each other's thank god, but sat right
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next to each other and continued as if this was
a normal affair. All things considered, it's a win that
they weren't sharing anyways. Hope things bring a smile to
your face if you read this on air. I hope
parents will appreciate what teachers go through. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
So when Maria was making the clip for the booger Wall,
she sent it to me and I was like, no,
you got to put a picture of a real booger
wall in the video, and she goes, okay, do you
have one you want to use? So then I just
I'm like, okay, let me just check. And I I.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Don't I google.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I just google image shirts booger wall, and I'm like,
oh my god. There's just picture after picture and they're
all nasty. Some of them are like bloody. And I
send it to her and then you know, like when
you're texting with someone, that picture is there, like every
like I was in the middle of because you know,
she loves to text me while I'm cooking dinner, so
so like I'm looking at this booger wall picture while
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I'm cooking dinner and having a text conversation with her.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
It is really gross.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
But just google search it you'll see all of the.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Things that come up. Wait, is that the one that
on the crime con account? They said this is upsetting
and I said I was upset making it. Yeah, oh
my god. And then the worst is I put the
text over the picture and then I spelled something wrong,
so then I go back and remake it, and I
was like, I just want this to be over with.
This picture so gross. It is so gross. All right,
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last question, Maria, what will you do with your placenta
minds in the deep freezer? I really have no interest
in it. So do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Because yes I do. It's going on my shelf.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I yeah, I'm not interested in eating it. I'm not
interested in displaying it. I don't really want to do
anything with it, So like it's open for you to take.
Otherwise it's going in the medical trash. So I don't
know if that's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I'll try to think of something. I'll try to think
of something creative to do with it, but it probably
will just go in a jar with the other ones.
We'll have fun with that because I will think you.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't. I don't even want to see it. Like
you can arrange it. I'll tell them at my appointment
that you want to keep it. Whenever, I'll put it
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a lot
of great stories to cover with you guys this week.
Today we're going to start off with Gene Hackman's house,
you know, the one that him and his wife died in,
is up for sale. Then we have an update on
the Indiana Jones experience at Disney, and speaking of injuries
at theme parks, another person has died on a roller
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coaster at Universal Studios. Then we'll talk about a really
crazy true crime case involving a child that killed his
father over a Nintendo switch. There is a lawsuit involving Pernuvo, which,
if you guys recall, is the company that Kim Kardashian
was endorsing, saying that they did elective full body MRIs.
(01:04):
And a man claims that there was something really huge
missed on his which in turn caused him to have
a near death experience. So we'll talk about that, and
a man who tried to board on a flight with
his dead wife. Will finish that up with your questions, comments,
and emails. All that and more on today's episode. So
(01:26):
I apologize to you guys, because obviously I'm sick. I
have two kids in my house that tested positive for
the flu despite the fact that they both had flu shots,
and now I have it. So there you go. But
the show must go on, so let's let's get started.
Gene Hackman, I'm like, I want to hear your thoughts
(01:49):
because I'm just so annoyed by this hold.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
At first, I wouldn't say. When you recorded the More
the Monday's Morbid Minute yesterday, I knew. I knew I
was gonna mess this up. This is like, you know,
if we came up with the name six Shocking Stories,
were like, are we idiots?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, it all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Anyway, when you said me the audio, I was like,
she definitely sounds off And I was like, are you sick?
And you said no. And then hours later you said
the Demigorgan's coming from and I'm like, are you hallucinating
or are you sick? But yeah, I can. It's funny
how I could tell just by the shift in your
voice from week to week. But yeah, anyway, So first
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of all, I can't believe it's almost been a year
since they died. Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa. I could
never say her last name either. It was in February
last year. I feel like it was much sooner than that,
maybe because it comes up so often in conversation, it
hasn't seemed that long. But that's truly nuts. But yeah,
their Santa Fe home that they were found dead in
has now been listed for sale for over six million dollars.
(02:48):
I was interested in the price point because on the
article we referenced for the story, they were saying the
median house sale in that area was going for six
hundred thousand and this one's going for ten times as
much money. But I mean, again, they have a pretty
huge property and it's a custom build. They've lived there
for a couple decades, So what do you think about
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the price point?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So what was it six point five million?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's listed on It was six point two five And
at first I was I was looking into it if
it was listed as cheaper because of what happened there,
But it actually seems like astronomical for the area.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They well, they said that they are listing it cheaper
because they think that I mean, I don't think that
that's astronomical. Honestly, it's fifty three acres and the house
is thirteen thousand square feet, Like I don't even know
how many comps in that area are anywhere near that,
Like maybe like a house like mine would sell on
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average for that much money, Like not this house, this
is this is a beautiful estate, I guess. So they
were saying that normally a house like this with some
one that's really like an A List actor, would sell
for high or just because the A List actor lived there.
But they said, oh, you know, we're just we're just
(04:09):
gonna base it priced on what we felt was a
fair market value. Well, why do you think they're doing that?
Because really, who wants to live there? I mean, I
know there's interest in like in sites where people died,
which I understand that, but this is actually like to
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another level of not only just gross, but could potentially
make you sick as well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well. That was my favorite quote I pulled from the article,
which was, there will be some buyers that are just
adverse to purchasing a property where death has occurred. First
of all, if you're buying a house like you should,
especially an older one, obviously, you should maybe assume a
death has occurred there, whether it was a horrific commicide
or a natural death. There's been at least a couple
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that have happened in my house whatever. But I think
most houses, especially older ones, you could say somebody has
probably died from old age or whatever in the house.
So get that out of your mind and get over it, basically, right.
But we know in this case that she died from hantavirus,
which stems from rodents, so like what exactly all with it?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
So it's like, we know one hundred percent certain that
there are probably deer mice. They're a common vector in
that area of hantavirus living somewhere in that fifty three
acre estate or in or around their thirteen thousand square
foot home. That virus can infect people that are completely healthy.
(05:44):
So for me, it's just like that's kind of almost
a hot zone. I would stay away from that just
because you know it's there. Now it is all over
the place too, and people aren't getting sick in that area.
But it's just like, I don't know, It just kind
of freaks me out a little bit to know that
something that Betsy was doing on that property, whether she
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was cleaning up mouse droppings or whatever, she was exposed
to the urine of one of these infect advice and
got the haunt of virus, and she was completely healthy
before she got it, and then she died. Furthermore, they
were both dead for a significant amount of time and
decomposing in that house, which is also just it's it's
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juicy smelly, and I don't know. I mean, obviously they
cleaned it up, because I mean it's not in some
cases like that when a person decomposes, you're talking about
like cutting out sections of floor because you can't get
the smell out. So they've done something. They restaged the home,
all this stuff. I mean, the pictures of it are
(06:47):
absolutely gorgeous. Anybody would want the house, but I don't know.
The whole thing of it is just kind of like
every single time you go in that one room, what
you just be like, oh, there was a dead decomposing
body and he or in I don't know, and a
dog two died.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Like listen, I understand that I obviously learned recently that
somebody died in my house from alleged autoerotic exphectiation, which
doesn't make me feel good. So every time I go
in that space, yeah, it crosses my mind. But like
I think people do.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Die in house at least he died doing something that
he loved.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, yeah, and I don't even know if it's true
or not. It was like we're it on the street,
So I don't know. I tried to look it up.
I couldn't find any confirmed records of it, and anybody
that's lived here around that time is just like, we
don't talk about that. So I do think it was
maybe something along those lines. But yeah, I understand that.
I wonder I don't know about in New Mexico or
(07:43):
like in general real estate law, if you have to
disclose those Obviously everybody knows what happened in the house,
but I'm saying if this happened to a regular person
that died and was decomposing in the house for a
long period of time, I wonder if that has to
be disclosed, because I believe in New Jersey you only
have to disclose if a homicide or crime occurred in
a house within seven years.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean, I don't I feel like that could be
more of an issue because let's say, for example, someone
was going to someone's house to kill them because you know,
like in a homicide case, they're going there because they
hate this person.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
If you know, you hear that time to time.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Like let's say, for example, a person buys a house
that like a prosecutor used to own, and then they
move into it, and then all of a sudden, some
person gets out of jail and wants revenge and they
think that that prosecutor still lives there, but really it's
someone else. I feel like something like that has happened
within the past couple of years, so it's like you
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should be aware that there was a point where some
kind of criminal activity was happening, just because like, I've
been at this house now for thirteen years, and I
still get mail from people that used to live here,
So there is a chance that people, you know, think
that you are still at the house even if you're
not at the house, and people could show up. But
(09:05):
I just think a regular death is like whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Funny because that happened to us once when we were
looking for a house. We really liked this one house,
and then we were outside and we were asking one
of the neighbors, like a house the neighborhood, and she
was just like, you know that the guy that lived
here died in that house, And I was like, okay, whatever,
and she was like no, like his dead body was
in that house. And I'm like, okay, Like people get
(09:31):
really freaked out about that. But it's just like my
house now was built in eighteen hundreds, like I'm sure
many people died here. There were probably kids born here too, right,
Like well, that's what I'm saying, and like a real
you have a house over one hundred years old, and
like sometimes old people just die in their house like
(09:52):
it just happens.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's it's nothing to ferry it.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It happens to my next door I mean, it happened
in my next door neighbor. Like she she her wife
died at the at the house like that that it
just happens, and the medical examiner came and picked her
up and then they brought her to the funeral home
and that was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That, Like people die, Like, but did your neighbor know
that when they bought that, That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't know. I'm not thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Because my neighbor Nicole is probably listening right now, so surprised.
But it was natural, right, So it's like nothing like
she just died like in her sleep or right around
that time when she tried to get up.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
It's not It's just not that big of a deal yet.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's how I feel about it too. Obviously people feel
the type of way about it, but I think if
you're buying an older house, it would be difficult to
find one where somebody didn't die in the house maybe
at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, So I mean whatever. And I know there's there's
crime scene cleaning companies they're all over Instagram too, that
are that are cleaning up these decomposed bodies and they
do a great job. So that's not as much of
a concern for me as this whole like hantavirus thing.
It's just I feel like, you know, it's it's so
specific and there's only a small number of cases reported
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a year, but like if you know a place where
it actually happened, I just personally would stay away from it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh you don't mean when after this happened, the news
wasn't trying to fear Manker all of us that it
was like the next pandemic yet us. Yeah, I was
getting out of hand all right. Update in the Disney
Indiana Jones malfunction, So the guy who was hit with
the four hundred pounds. Rubber Ball is now revealing the
extent of his injuries, and it was actually pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So you know what's interesting When we posted our little
teaser of this episode on Instagram, I was surprised that
there were some people that commented and just said, like, yeah, right,
that ball wasn't four hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
It was more like, you guys are idiots, why would
you think that?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like all that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But I'm just kind of like, the video is not
ai right. So if you just look at the man's response,
it like, there's no way that his body thrusted like
that if it was something light that hit him. Rubber
is also heavy, I don't, I know, it looks like
I know, like I guess what they're saying is, if
you look at it, it looks like it could be
(12:13):
like a giant pool toy or something, just because it's
but it's just not like once you see it hit
the guy, you're like, Okay, this was heavy. You could
just tell, of course. So so anyway, he broke his
frickin neck. He has two broken vertebral bones in his neck,
and that could cause I mean, that protects your very
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essential and important spinal cord. So if that injury was
severe enough, that could have severed a part of his
spinal cord and he could have had either partial or
full paralysis, So that that's really serious. Now, one thing
I want to note about the article is that this
dude is like it looks very happy, go lucky, and
he's smiling, and I'm just like, yeah, man, like he
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knows what's about to happen with him. Well, did you
not probably the best place to get injured like that?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah? But did you notice it said his sister in
law set up a GoFundMe to support his wife and
his kids. And I'm like, this man has been an
employee of at least this ride or experience whatever it's
called technically for thirty years. And he said he just
he didn't even think about it before he did it.
He did it so the ball wouldn't hit the audience.
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Disney should be kissing his ass.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
For his heroic amption. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I'm sure that that will all come out. But they're
doing they you know, they have lawyers investigation and this,
that and the other. He's going to get some kind
of a settlement and I imagine it's going to be
pretty significant. But like in the meantime, if he was
just you know, an average paid employee. He needs money,
(13:49):
and like, honestly, like anytime someone gets anything happens to
any person nowadays, it's just like an excuse to make
a GoFundMe for them, right, So, like it's up to
as of this morning, it was up to like eleven
grand So I mean, good for it. I guess I
wonder how they're gonna alter the I hate that it's
not technically a ride.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm just gonna call it a ride. Everybody knows what
I mean. I wonder how.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
They're gonna alter their experience.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's it's a show, but I guess it's a show.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Technically it's a spectacular stunt show.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I wonder if they're gonna either put like some type
of barrier up on the path it rolls down, or
if they're gonna put some type of barrier in front
of the audience, you know what I mean. So if
it happens again, I just can't believe this has never
happened in decades, that the thing has never gone off track,
because it looked like it happened real easy.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Louis thisss.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I know that's my brother's favorite ride since he was
a little kid.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
So in other news at amusement parks, we have another death,
this time at Universal Studios.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, so as seventy year old woman died while riding
one of our favorite roller coasters ever, which I probably
haven't been on in fifteen years. So I don't know
if it's still good or not. Put the Revenge of
the Mummy.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Roller coast fifteen years. I feel like it's like twenty
years yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Probably. Why did we go to Universal last?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I feel like I.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Feel like we went who did we even go with?
Did we go with some of my classmates or was
it even before then? Oh no, I'm serious, it was
like twenty years ago. Didn't we go with like Annie
and Deity or something and Louis or something.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I feel like I wasn't. Yeah I had to be.
I feel like I wasn't like a little little kid,
but I might have been Lilian's age where around her age.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, it's been a while, but yeah that I thought
that years ago. I just remember thinking that ride was cool,
and we went on at a bunch of times because
there was no one there and somehow we were able
to go on a bunch. But so they still haven't
said what happened to this lady. But she was seventy
years old, So like a part of me is just like,
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if you're older, especially if you feel good, you shouldn't
have to not do stuff Like if you're seventy and
you're trying to have fun in your life and you
want to go on a roller coaster, go on a
roller coaster. But I guess you just need to know
when you go on rides that accelerate like that, if
you have any kind of underlying especially like a cardiovascular
thing where if you get too excited, it could cause
(16:23):
your heart to have like an arrhythmia and you could
basically have a heart attack. Or if you have a
cardiovascular thing where there's a vessel that's just like about
to burst and it just needs the right amount of
force to cause it to do that, it's a chance
you're taking. And we talked about this a few months ago.
(16:43):
We had this one that I actually wrote about in
the grocer room. I did a forensic Friday on it
back in December for a guy who also died on
a ride at Universal, and here he was significantly younger.
But if you remember, he was in a wheelchair, and
he had a history of spinal hardware put in and
(17:06):
also a broken femur that was repaired, so his skeleton
was not stable. And I believe that that's how they
said that the death was accidental and it wasn't on
the ride at all, So a person like him should
absolutely have not been on the ride. And we'll get
more information with this woman. I mean, like, when you're seventy,
(17:27):
you could be completely healthy, but you could also have
a history of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, whatever, and maybe she
shouldn't have went on the ride. They didn't even say
if it was like natural or accidental or anything.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So yeah, and I mean, I guess what I don't
really like about this is we're just finding out about
this now and it happened back in November. Because they're
saying the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services list
incidents that occur at amusement parks that employ their own
full time safety and must self report incidents as they
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are exempt from state inspections, and then the incidents are
broken down on a quarterly basis. So are there other
incidents not getting reported because they're self reported. I don't
really like that these are exempt from state inspections. I know,
I'm sure so I'd hear about it in Florida all
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the time. I Mean, the worst one ever was that
that kid that went in that I don't know what
you would call that, like a free fall. I don't
know the exact name of that ride, but the the
kid that was significantly overweight and shouldn't have been on
it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Because the hardest terrible. That was so terrible. God, that
video is so it's just so so terrible. I am
such a crazy person when when the kids go on rides,
like I just I'm so scared because half of the time,
and maybe this is a false sense of security, but
I feel like at Disney they just hire people that
(19:00):
are a little bit more like interested in doing the
rides because they know how important it is the safety
of it. But like at the Boardwalk, for example, everyone's
high all the time and they're like fifteen years old,
you know, they're just like and some of those rides,
I mean, they're not as extreme as something like the
(19:23):
Mummy sometimes, but like if they fell off of it,
they could get significantly her or killed. It just scares
the shit out of me.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, I encourage everybody to read both our Disney and
six Flags high Profile death to sections because you will
see there is a very distinct difference between how the
two parks handle accidents and the type of accidents that
occur between the two.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Oh yeah, that fire at six Flags, Geese, that was bad.
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Okay, this I hate hearing stories about little kids like
wanting to kill people. It's just so disturbing to me
that we hear this from time to time, just knowing
kids that are around this age, thinking like, how is
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a kid this hateful? And I mean the biggest case
I could think of in recent memory of us covering
on this show is that six year old or even
five year old at the time that shot his first
grade teacher.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh yeah, You're just like like what I really would
like to just talk to a psycho a psychologist about
this and just see like, what is it about that
kid that makes that kid like that, because it's just
so abnormal from most other children that age. Well, let's
get into this one. This is disturbing all around. So
(22:01):
an eleven year old boy has been charged with homicide
after his father took away his Nintendo switch and after
he was looking for it on his birthday. He came
across a revolver and decided he was gonna shoot his
dad in the head. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
I mean, so the mom.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
The mom wakes up to this loud noise and she
doesn't know what's going on because it's dark, and then
she hears something that sounds like water dripping and turns
on the lights and sees that it's blood in her
husband is laying there bleeding out.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean, this is like one of these examples of
you hear about this video game being taken away. They
didn't even really get into why the game was taken
from him to begin with, but I guess, but who
cares exactly. It doesn't matter why the game was taken
away with. The kid should not be getting so angry
from that that this is the result of it. But
they're saying that it was the day of his eleventh birthday,
(22:54):
so he didn't have the switch. It had been taken
from him. I don't know if it was that day
or prior or whatever, but there's before they went to bed,
they sang happy birthday to him. Everything seemed okay. So
he's looking for the Nintendo switch, and he's also getting
He also later admitted that he got angry that they
made him go to bed, So he's looking for the
switch and sees there's a safe in the house and
(23:15):
thinks that the switch is in the safe, So he
ends up finding the keys to the safe, goes in there,
finds the gun, and then just says he was so
angry that he didn't and he didn't even think about
the consequences of what could potentially happen, which is very
concerning and I hate to be like this, but I
also have some criticism for the parents for allowing access
into the safe that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Easily for young kid.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I just think that once the investigation comes out with this,
there's just going to be more to the story. There
has to be, I mean, and maybe I'm just being
naive by saying this, but I feel like I feel
like if my kids found a gun, they wouldn't know
how to just like pick it up and use it.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, exactly easily.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
The gun is I fired several different kinds of guns,
and they're not very easy to do. Act Like, I
know that it can be if it's if it's loaded
and it's just like ready to go, But I mean, so, yeah,
like I know that you're like, I don't want to
blame the parents, but you one hundred percent I don't care,
Like I one hundred percent blame the parents. You can't
have a firearm in your house that's not away from
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the children. Like that literally would not have happened kids.
I mean, kids get pissed off. They do, It's normal,
and they just shouldn't even have had access to anything
like that.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
But I feel like there's gonna be a little.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Bit more to the story because didn't they say in
the article that the kid had a like a bruise
on his face and a laceration or something.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, and they didn't really get in detail about what
that was about. Also, I want to point out, like
he used a revolver, which you could argue was one
of the easier guns to fire, right, but a why
was it?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What was so it was loaded?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Though? Like was it loaded or did he know how
to loaded? Like exactly, there's you know, there's in our
area junior shooting range for kids can go. You know,
it doesn't mean all of them are murderers, but some children,
especially if they're parents or family members, are hunting. They're
interested in it and they learn at a young age
how to do it, so like was it loaded? Did
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he know how to load it? The thing that's concerning
for me is this revolver seemed to have a hammer,
which he was well enough aware that he had to
pull it back to fire the guns.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's what I'm saying, Like, there's just I feel like
this isn't his first experience with this gun. And you know,
like I don't know. I take my kid's iPads away sometimes,
like why would you put it in a seat? You know,
like why is the kid really why does the kid
even know that there's a safe? Like that's something when
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you have a weapon like that, that's something that should
just exist that your child doesn't even know that it's
in the house. They don't know it's in the house.
They don't know because sometimes if you say to a kid, like, oh,
don't touch this, this is don't ever use the key,
like that's exactly what they used, they would want to do.
But like I we grew up around hunters and guns,
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and I feel like it was an unspoken you just
know you don't touch them. So but but like that
that doesn't work with kids, It works with you because
you follow rules, but like we used to. We used
to be a nanny and Pop's basement and they were
locked up in the in the case, but like we
would look around the basement to try to find the
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cave for it, just just because they told us not
to like this, This is what children do, right, It's
just like you you have to just assume that every
kid is going to not listen to you, and that
should be there's child proof safe that sometimes you have
to like use your fingerprint to open it or something
like that. It's just completely unacceptable that that was even
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in the house. But so this kid is it was
adopted correct.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, in tw twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, so that's another thing like that, So that kid
wasn't adopted as a baby. No, he was like three
ish when he was adopted already. So that's another thing
to take into consideration, is like what was that kid's
life for the first three years of his life?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Where was he how was he treated?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, like did he have pre existing trauma?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Because I mean, like it's possible that they had the
kid from the time it was an infant because of
like a foster care situation and they finally made the adoption.
We don't really know, but it's just an interesting thing
to note and talk about that potentially this kid had
a lot of negative experiences prior to even getting in
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the care of this family.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Well, it's just worrisome in general that a child is
getting that angry that they are seeking to hurt somebody
as a response to the anger. Kids get angry all
the time. It doesn't mean they want to hurt somebody.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, but I don't know, it's just a hard age
because they're so young. Like you have kids that they
get in a fight and then they they their first
instinct is like hit somebody back.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's just like they when when you're an adult you I'll.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Say you usually because most adults, like when they get pissed,
they don't want to hit somebody. But it's clearly happens
in abusive relationships and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
So the impulsivity of.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Being angry isn't as much of a concern to me
as because I don't really think an eleven year old,
although they do, they do, they are starting to learn
right from wrong and all of that stuff. I just
don't really think they quite understand the full impact of
things like that or or how that works. Like a
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child just doesn't really understand that completely. So I mean
when you have a kid of this age, it was
the same. It was even worse with the six year
old that the teacher. It's just like, what are you
gonna put them in jail? I mean, like Luchi is
eleven years old, she doesn't she couldn't live on her own,
you know what I mean, Like she knows right from wrong,
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is she's starting to get to that point, but like
she couldn't just she's not an adult. She couldn't go
out and like get a credit card and drive a car,
and she doesn't know how to be an adult, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So it's just like, what do you do with these kids?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, and I feel like that's maybe where the homicide
charge is stemming from it. I don't know if he's
gonna get fried as an adult, which would be crazy
because he's eleven years old. But at the same time,
like we're just kind of missing information, Like we know
from this article he knew enough to pull the hammer
back to fire the gun, but did he load the gun?
How familiar was he with it? Did his dad show
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it was he sneaking in the safe all of the
time and playing around with it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
We just really don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay, let's get into this Pernuva case. So a man
is suing the health care company Pernuvo after he paid
twenty five hundred dollars for a full body scan and
was told he was all clear, only to have a
debilitating stroke a couple months later. All right, So we
did talk about this on this show, how it was
really weird that some high list celebrities are promoting this thing.
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It's twenty five hundred dollars to get a full body scan,
but that price doesn't just include going in this machine
and getting the scan, because the MRI machine doesn't give
you results. There's an actual radiologist that needs to look
at that, and that's a lot for them to look
at every square inch of a human body all of
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the I don't know if you've ever seen what an
MRI looks like.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But they take multiple it's.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Almost like they're doing a dissection of you.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
While you're still alive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like they just take slices and look at it from
all different levels to see how your your organs look,
your arteries look, and things like that. So they they
missed apparently on his scan of his brain, the cerebral
arteries that are bringing oxygen from the heart to the brain,
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one of them had such significant I guess in hindsight,
when they went back and looked at it, it had
such significant narrowing that in a real life situation, like
let's say you just had that done at your doctor
and they scanned your brain, they would be like, we
need to do further work up because you're at risk
of a stroke. But they saw that or did it
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they didn't see it, and gave him a clear bill
of health. And then eight months later he had a
pretty severe stroke where he has paralysis at least on
certain parts of the left side of his body. So
this brings up an interesting question like how liable is
this company because it you know, when your insurance isn't
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paying for this, you're spending twenty five hundred dollars or
your own money for this additional coquur peace of mind,
and you're told that everything looks good, but like everything
wasn't good for him.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, I wanted to point that out too, because an
interesting detail is that he was thirty five years old
and I am only four years away from that age.
And I don't feel like in the next five even
ten years that I would need to get a full
preventative scan on my body to make sure that nothing
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was wrong. And then that he had the stroke so
young is kind of odd to me, don't you think, Well, like,
did he I guess what I'm getting at is, did
he know that he had a pre existing condition or
something and that's why he got the scan? No.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I just think that people just want to know what's
going on inside their body, Like if you I mean,
there's lots of people that have millions of dollars and
it's like twenty five hundred dollars is like twenty five
dollars to normal people. It's nothing like, Oh, I'll just
get this done and see like I always have this
weird headache or I have I always have this like
pain in my leg. Is there anything there? I mean,
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why not? Right? Like, I think most people would want
to do it just because there's a potential you can
see a small tumor or something like that. So I
don't think he knew. He had this scan done and
eight months later he had this stroke. So they compared
the pernuva scan with the scan from when he had
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his stroke, So a blood clot got stuck in that
air that area where the cerebral artery was narrowed, and
it was the same exact spot. So and that's that's
what the worry is when you have a narrowed artery,
is that blood could clot up and get stuck there
and then all of a sudden, oxygen's not getting to
your brain anymore, and that part of your brain could
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die off and then you have a stroke or like
lose oxygen at least. So I think it's valid. I mean,
the thing is is that I don't know what kind
of papers you sign when you get this done. That
just says like, hey, this is kind of for fun,
so if we you know, I mean, if you're marketing it,
like Kim Kardashian was saying, Oh, you should get this
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done because this saved me. I almost had a life
threatening aneurysm, which she didn't, by the way, just because
if she did, they would have done surgery on her
right away, and as we know, she didn't have anything done.
Then like they're advertising it as like, hey, you might
have this thing that you could catch early, when indeed,
if they did catch it early, it would have saved
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his life. So the fact that you're like, who are
they getting to read this? Cause I think about it
like this, twenty five hundred dollars to get that test
done is really not that much money, considering you have
to pay for the staff to run the machine, you
have to pay for the machine itself. It takes forty
five minutes to an hour to get the scan done,
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and then you need to pay a radiologist who's a
doctor to read it, which takes a long time because
it's a really long scan. It's a big scan with
lots of pictures. So like, I can't imagine how the
company's making too much money off of it unless they're
like lowballing radiologists or having them read them too fast.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Well, unless the scan itself is twenty five hundred dollars
and then you're paying a separate fee for the doctor
to review.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Like I wouldn't assume that if I was a customer,
I would think the whole thing's twenty five hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, I also think it's valid. I just wanted to
point that out because I thought that guy was pretty
young to be having a stroke. So, like, I'm not
saying that's what happened. I'm just like trying to think
of all possible scenarios. But I wonder if you know,
you make a good point, like we don't know the
type of paperwork you're signing when you're getting this done.
I wonder if they could try to get them on
false advertising or something like that. It said their website
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says the scan can detect subtle changes early and quote
spot potential issues before they become serious. So I mean,
they could probably use that in court as a false
advertising claim.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Like let me, let me give you an example. When
you get there's all of these businesses around. I don't
know if there are any works. So I haven't been
pregnant in eleven years, but when I was pregnant, at
least with my last one, there's all these businesses around
that you can go and get an ultrasound to see
like a forty image of your baby. Right when I
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went to get that done, it was just kind of like,
hey that all the papers I signed were just like, hey,
this is for fun. We can't diagnose anything. We can't
promise you this is gonna look good. If something looks wrong,
you're gonna have to follow up. Your with your doctor
like like a hands off like we're just showing you.
We have no responsibility what you're seeing and and like
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what we see kind of thing. Right. I almost wonder
how this pernuva is falls under just a boutique regulation, yes,
Like is it like a boutique place or is it
fall under this same exact regulations that a diagnostic MRI
would fall under.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
That is interesting to bring that comparison up. And those
places do exist. I mean there's one very close to us.
I really considered going out.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But it's it's the same thing too because like you
can go for fun, but also they do diagnostic for
the five D imaging too, so it's like they are
straight up just like this is not diagnos diagnostic. This
is just like so you could see your baby look
clearer than the regular ultra sound you get at your
doctor's appointment. So but if there has to be like
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major regulations with this.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
If you want to use that example though, like you're
going to a boutique ultrasound place to get you if
you want to argue it, you want to get cute
pictures of your baby or you just like for somebody
like me that went through IVF and everything, And like
I was getting scanned every single week till seven weeks,
and then I couldn't go till thirteen weeks, and then
I couldn't go till twenty weeks. Right, Like, somebody like
me that's an anxious person might want to go in
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between that long period of time just to see and
make sure he's moving around and everything. But like, I
feel like they are advertising it as a diagnostic service,
not just like you're coming in for fun to get
cute pictures of your baby, or just to get pictures
of your body.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, that's what and it's and really I can't think
of anything else that's quite like that, because even like
let's say, Perneuva is not even a company, right, I
don't know that I could just go to my doctor
and say I want a full body MRI and then
they'll say, okay, obviously insurance won't cover that, right for
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no reason. Like my my little one, Lucia has had
a full body MRI for her bone disorder that was
paid for with insurance because it was it was they
needed to see if she had a fauxcaia of different
areas of inflammation throughout any bones in her body. But
like if I just said to my doctor, Hey, Joe,
like I want to I want to go get a
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full body MRI, and he would say, oh, insurance won't
cover it. And then I was like, I want to
pay cash for it. Would they just do it just
because you want it? I don't even think, so, yeah,
you can't just get one.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, it's just it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So there, maybe that's where this idea stemmed from. Though, Yeah,
I mean I get it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
It's a it's a good idea for money making, but
you have to be having them legitimately read as if
it were a diagnostic one.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But healthcare providers are very critical of this service, saying
exactly what you were saying earlier, which is like when
you're going in for an MRI, it's typically for let's
use me for an example, Like my blood work was
weird for prolactin, so they were like, we want to
see if you have a pituitary atonomus, so they look
at my brain, right, and these experts are saying, like
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we go based off of symptoms or something like that.
Labs that are off to look at an area and
a specific area and it takes time to look at
one specific area in all those layers you were talking about,
So like, how are they looking at the full body
in detail like they're claiming, Yeah, it just I just
feel like it would cost to pay a radiologist to
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do it. They're just quick scanning it to see if
I think they're quick scanning to see if there's anything glaring, like, oh,
there's there's a two centimeter tumor in this person's pancreass
kind of, but like the narrowing of the cerebral artery
is a very fine but yet important, very important abnormality.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But I suppose if.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You're looking through hundreds and hundreds of pictures, it's something
that could be easily you know. And another interesting point
too is that and I don't know this any radiology
people that are listening. When I worked as a cytotechnologist,
so that was looking at slides specifically like PAP smears.
We had a limit of how many slides we were
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able to look at a day, and it was at
that time, I don't know what it is now, but
it was like we were allowed to look at one
hundred pap smears a day.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
It doesn't matter if we worked, you know, a ten
hours whatever, Like you can't work, you can't read more
than that according to laws that were made within the
laboratory accreditation systems, so for radiology, and that that's because
like let's say, for example, I'm reading pap smears at
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my job one hundred and then I go work per
damn at another hospital for another four hours at night.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Like do you really want someone like me.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Whose eyes are tired and have looked at a hundred
slides already to be looking at your pap smerror at
that second job. No, So it was just like one
hundred a day. It doesn't matter how many jobs you have.
Now if you add a per damn job, you could
do like fifty at one job and fifty at another job.
But there's like regulations for a reason. So it's the
same thing in this case, like how many how many
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slides or how many pictures is a radiologist allowed to
look at in a twenty four hour period? I'm not
sure of that.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, that's interesting. And they also pointed out that this
scan's only forty five minus and it's long, and like
I have a hard time believing that because if I
get the one on my brain with and without contrast.
That's also forty five minutes, So like, how are they
looking at the full body that quickly?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
And I feel like Cicia's, I feel like Lucia's was
about an hour.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, but she's a tiny person but a full blown adult.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I think when you get the contrast, though, they take
a whole new set of pictures, so it's almost like
you're getting two separate MRIs.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
You know, I'm not really sure honestly.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
But yeah, I just think it's interesting that other healthcare
professionals are very critical of this, and it's primarily endorsed
by celebrities, so you got to think about that too,
because those people are probably getting paid. I'm just speculating that,
but the way that they push it, it just seems
like skeptical, and I think everybody the overall lesson is
you gotta do your own research before you go to
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these places. Don't just take parasit owner Kim Kardashian's word
for it. It is.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
It's weird too, because they have a lot of companies
out now that you could order your own blood work too.
It's just it's just like a different thing in medicine. Well,
I mean listen, like you could say that the medical
system is screwed here, and sometimes you're just like, I
want to order this stuff because they're not getting to
the bottom of whatever's wrong with me. But so we're
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gonna be seeing more and more of these services that
you could pay cash for and just kind of bypass
you know all that.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
All right, Well, it's happened again. A man has tried
to board a flight with his dead wife. Didn't it
just happen, not like not too long ago? Yeah, it did,
And I guess I'm happy to address this in the story.
In the last one we covered where they were trying
to get that old lady on the plane, like she
was on the plane. They really almost got away with it. Honestly,
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I was asking at that time, did she die, Like
how did she get through security? Did she die in
between going to security and getting on the plane. Did
they just say she was asleep when she was going
through security. I couldn't understand. But in this particular case,
they were trying to go through a metal detector and
the security noticed that she was unconscious and she was infected,
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and they would not let them proceed. And then this guy,
this happened in Spain, so this guy said, oh, she
died a couple hours ago, but we were here, So
I'm just confused about the security system. There was it
a secondary set of security where they just hanging out
before they went through, because typically you get dropped off
and you go right through and then you hang out
in the terminal.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Well, I guess if you have a wheelchair, you have
to go through a certain thing because you can't get
out and walk through it. So I don't I don't
know how this has happened more than once in the
past six months, but I like how they say she
also had an extremely low body temperature, Like were they
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touching her body.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
To see if she was alive?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
I don't know, but I guess the thing what we
talked about last time is obviously this is ridiculous, but
we could understand it because shipping a dead body is
incredibly expensive and can just be a whole headache in itself.
So if you could try to get away with it,
I guess that's what these people are trying to do
to save somebody and headache.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I'm not hating on them.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's like, and he got arrested and unnecessary, Well, if
it might be necessary. He might have killed her, like
we don't know, but like she's eighty right, Like all
I keep thinking about is this little old man that
his wife died and he's just like kind of lost.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
And and and you.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Know, maybe people are frowning upon what he did, but whatever,
maybe she really did die at the airport and he
like freaked out and didn't know what was happening. But
like now he's got arrested, Like come on, no, it's
he also could he also could be like an abusive asshole,
like I don't know what happened, you know, it's just yeah,
I mean, it's like sad if it's just like an
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old dude.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
If they figure out that he killed her, obviously deserves
to be arrested. And then I guess where she died,
if he entered the airport with her in that state
or whatever. That's being investigated right now. But as we know,
he tried to get her through security and they were
like absolutely not. Okay, onto your questions and emails. If
you guys have questions or stories for us, please send
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them the stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. All right, this
first one's from Jen High Ladies Knewish fan obsessed about
one of the last segments on your most recent episode.
I one hundred percent agree with Nicole. One of the
main reasons I love your podcast is because you don't
speak down to your listeners. You say it how it is,
in use simple terms, and when you drop medical jargon,
usually simplify it for us. As someone who constantly has
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trouble getting her thoughts out, forget about trying to sound
smart or use big words. I appreciate this to me,
it shows anyone could be successful. The other thing I
love and had me from the beginning is Nicole's accent.
I live in central Oregon now but grew up in
upstate New York. I have family in Jersey and hearing
the accent reminds me of home and brings me comfort.
I've been hearing New Yorker and be coming out more
(46:56):
and more leately, and I'm not mad about it. Any who,
Love you guys, love the show, and welcome to hearing
more about your mother daughter dynamic.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Why is it that Nicole's accent like?
Speaker 3 (47:08):
What about yours? Yours?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
You know? I was I always say this. You have
a pretty thick New Jersey accent, and so does Louie.
And I don't think Louise is as obvious because he
didn't talk that much. But what he does, it's really thick,
and I think I have it in more context, and
I think it's weird. Like sometimes I feel like some
words I say sound Southern, and I don't know, it
(47:32):
just happens, but I think you'res just definitely one hundred
percent stronger than mine.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
I had to change a lot of like now I
would say water, but I used to say water.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, I'm the same, Like I really had to.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
Like force myself to not say that anymore. Just certain
types of Philly words, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Think of like like mo mom and Ricky right have
pretty strong philly Ish accents where they say like Sundy,
what a daughter, and like all those ones, whereas we say,
like my number one thing I say weird is milk.
I if I think about it, I'll say it correctly,
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but I typically say milk or him.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
You know, I can wait, I'm going home?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Is that? Yeah? I guess so, well you're thinking about it.
I think if anybody sees us in the true wild
and we're just talking, not even about these stories, talking
about life and whatever. I feel like that's what it's
the worst.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Oh yeah, people have come up to me when I
was traveling and say like, are you from Philly?
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Oh? One hundred percent, you could always tell.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
So there's this girl on I've been seeing.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
I'll send it to you next time it comes across
on Instagram and she basically all she does is talk
about how we talk around here, and she has like
thousands of use.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Wait, I think I've seen her. Does she have like
long black hair?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Like she yeah, I know exactly where.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Like today, Like today I came across one and she
was talking about how how we pronounced the streets or
like certain streets and stuff like that. And then today
was like she was doing how we would pronounce people's names.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Oh, I gotta see that one. Because a weird thing
in North Philly is they have a street, they have
two streets. I don't know if she covered this one.
I didn't see it, but she probably did. They have
almond in Salmon Street and they pronounce it almond and salmon,
which is drives me crazy. And what oh she said,
because I used to live near oregonev. We they all
(49:40):
pronounce it in Philly argonev argon. Yeah, things like that. Yeah,
I saw she had one where she was saying, how
if somebody says you look sharp, it's like the highest
compliment in Philly. Someone's like, oh, your dress is sharp,
and it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
We just have our totally owned language here.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
She's really funny though, she that's really good videos. Yeah,
they're one hundred percent accurate. All right. Next from Heather,
Hello to my favorite pod ladies. I just wanted to
comment about the booker wall. Maria.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I am one hundred percent with you and feeling like
you want to vomit.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I am a nurse and also a part time art
teacher to an elementary junior high school. I have dealt
with more than my fair share of excrementmesis what's that
an expulsion?
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Missus? And missus is just thrown up?
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Okay. Nothing of my nursing career has ever made me
want to vomit. Teaching, on the other hand, has. The
one time in my life I almost vomited was turning
around and finding two boys picking their noses and eating them. Disgusting.
You would think they were kindergarteners or even first grade,
but nope, we're talking about fourth and fifth graders. They
were not eating each other's thank god, but sat right
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next to each other and continued as if this was
a normal affair. All things considered, it's a win that
they weren't sharing anyways. Hope things bring a smile to
your face if you read this on air. I hope
parents will appreciate what teachers go through. Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
So when Maria was making the clip for the booger Wall,
she sent it to me and I was like, no,
you got to put a picture of a real booger
wall in the video, and she goes, okay, do you
have one you want to use? So then I just
I'm like, okay, let me just check. And I I.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Don't I google.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I just google image shirts booger wall, and I'm like,
oh my god. There's just picture after picture and they're
all nasty. Some of them are like bloody. And I
send it to her and then you know, like when
you're texting with someone, that picture is there, like every
like I was in the middle of because you know,
she loves to text me while I'm cooking dinner, so
so like I'm looking at this booger wall picture while
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I'm cooking dinner and having a text conversation with her.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
It is really gross.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
But just google search it you'll see all of the.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Things that come up. Wait, is that the one that
on the crime con account? They said this is upsetting
and I said I was upset making it. Yeah, oh
my god. And then the worst is I put the
text over the picture and then I spelled something wrong,
so then I go back and remake it, and I
was like, I just want this to be over with.
This picture so gross. It is so gross. All right,
(52:12):
last question, Maria, what will you do with your placenta
minds in the deep freezer? I really have no interest
in it. So do you want to go?
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Because yes I do. It's going on my shelf.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
I yeah, I'm not interested in eating it. I'm not
interested in displaying it. I don't really want to do
anything with it, So like it's open for you to take.
Otherwise it's going in the medical trash. So I don't
know if that's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I'll try to think of something. I'll try to think
of something creative to do with it, but it probably
will just go in a jar with the other ones.
We'll have fun with that because I will think you.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I don't. I don't even want to see it. Like
you can arrange it. I'll tell them at my appointment
that you want to keep it. Whenever, I'll put it
on my birth plan. That's all on you, all right, guys.
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The link to those are in the Grossroom or in
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Speaker 3 (53:36):
See you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Thank you for listening to Mother Noos Death. As a reminder,
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master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
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