How did you become the Slut Whisperer?

In this episode, Gandhi chats with Kirill aka The Slut Whisperer about getting cancelled, rebuilding, and regrets that go along with being one of the original online influencers. He also shares a hot take that will, most likely, rub some people the wrong way and realizes something interesting about Gandhi.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, sauce on the side, You're gonna hear a
buzz because we have subpar audio in this studio. Hello, Diamond, Hi.
That buzz drives me insane and I can't do anything
about it because of the way the studio is set
up to capture audio. Fascinating anyway, I digress. So there's
so much going on within the last couple of weeks.

(00:24):
Within the next couple weeks. We recorded this interview a
little while ago. His name is Carell. You might know
him as the slut Whisperer or the ambassador and creator
of a brand called Assholes Live Forever. All that sounds
kind of wild, Yeah, it does. The interview is as well.
I think that he had some interesting things to say,
and I'll just leave it to you and you'll get

(00:45):
to listen to it. I cut it way down because
it was quite long. Not that I took out anything bad.
I just took out like kind of rambling stuff. But Diamond,
what did you think of it? You're not urt my feelings? Well,
I enjoyed the conversation, but it was more of like
a Oh I hadn't heard of him before the podcast,

(01:08):
So yeah, I think we should just get to it
and let the interview speak for itself. There were a
few moments of yeah, oh, like okay, and then I
kind of there's one thing I sort of came around on,
and I might agree with him over about well see
either way, here he is Caryl. All right, I have

(01:32):
with me somebody who I met at a party and
knew who you were and what you do, and I thought,
what an interesting conversation I could probably have with this
guy on my podcast. So I invited you to be here,
and now we have Carol also known as Carol was here. Yeah,
or the slut Whispers.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, yeah, I'm surprised that I'm allowed in the building.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Honestly, tell me about why you feel that way.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh, so, I have a very great history with this company.
I'm like, I've lived many lives. First life, dropping out
of college, I worked at Caroline's comedy Club Wow as
a graphic designer, and then I met TJ.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
The DJ.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I don't know if you guys remember it's like eighteen
years ago. No, this kid's probably like fifty now, so,
but he was like a young kid. He would come
to the comedy club and then he got me into
Clear Channel and I started doing all the graphic design
as a freelancer. And the logo before the logo you
guys have now, I did for Elvis, the green.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
And the fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, oh wow, And I did that in maybe two
thousand and I have to look it up.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's like two thousand and seven. Everything.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Did we just pay you to do it once?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Or yeah? I think I got Like I could look
it up, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I think I got maybe two grand, Okay, but I
was broke. I was like twenty four and you guys offered.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Me a job.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
But I was like, wait, this is not enough money
for the amount of work they're gonna give me. I
was like, I'll stay freelance, and then it was well
worth it.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
That's how the company I'll.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And then I used to shoot photos afterwards because I'm
also a photographer at the PC Richard and Sun Theater.
I was the first photographer in that building shooting all
your private concerts. So I have photos of Bieber when
he was like nine, Adele did a show there.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I was so out of my league.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Dude, like way out, Like I just got a camera
and somehow this company was like, well, he did our
logo we'll trust him to take photos and all right,
I had no idea what I was doing. So these
photos were like I'd have to go look at them again,
but they were pretty not great.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay. So we just sort of got a brief history
of you with the company and why you're surprised that
you're allowed in the building. But if you were to
explain yourself to people who do not know you, how
would you introduce yourself.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I'm just annoying, I think. No.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, So here's the thing. I'm just a pest, like
on the Internet. I just started when social media was
you know, starting out, I was just you know, from
being in comedy clubs. I'm just always found humor in
dark places, okay, And so that was just kind of
the mission statement of my online personality. It's like a mask.
You know that the Instagram name is slut Whisper. So

(04:06):
I used to be known mainly for pouring champagne on
girls at parties.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I kind of threw these like girls Gone Wild kind.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Of events, like in the heyday of when that stuff
was yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
So some people were like, oh my god, he's a
massages so I could wear that hat. So I don't know.
I wear a lot of different hats. I'm a photographer.
I make fun of things on the Internet, and I
make dumb clothing.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So you'd say internet past turned photographer. Yeah, that's kind
of the bio I have for you here, So it says. Carell,
also known as the slut Whisperer, is a Russian born
American photographer, event organizer, and entrepreneur based in New York City.
You think that's accurate.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, that's very glossy, very glossy. That's nice.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
That's my LinkedIn I have, Like I knew you, not
knew you, but I obviously heard of you and had
seen the stuff that you posted all the time, which
I thought was funny. Yes, thank you, And then I
saw you sort of morph into something else because all
of a sudden culture shifted and the things that you
were doing before were not as accepted as they at
one time really were.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yes, like what like the champagne, things.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Like the champagne you know what it's like.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's I got older too, Yeah, so it gets the
older you get, the weirder it looks. You know, I'm
not like twenty five doing it still. I think there's
still pockets of like I can still go to like
certain towns and you're like, like that shit doesn't work
maybe in massive cities anymore.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know, it's just like but when you go to
like a town that no one visits and you throw
a party there, those people are just.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Down to have a weird time. And I didn't really
get too much shit for it, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
There was You don't think there was ever a time
there was enough canceled.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I think people try to cancel me, Okay, but dude,
all my events are like we're ticketed, right, Like you
bought a ticket, you were willing participant, right. There's no
one forced you to do anything. If you showed your
boobs and that champagne port on them, it's because you
wanted to be there, and it was all public. Nothing
happened behind closed doors, you know what I mean. So
there was it was a lot of people who try

(06:05):
to cancel me. Held it held no real weight. But
there's some crazy moments.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Of course, what are some of the crazy moments, because.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
There's the mother's I have a very very famous bad one. Okay,
you could just google my name in Hoboken.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
So I heard about this, dude.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
This is such a weird night because it it was
definitely one of the most terrifying moments in my career
because who likes bad press. So what happened was yes,
but like bad press is like at the end, it's like, yes,
press is press, but like, as a human in the moment,
you're like, oh my god, this is terrifying.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know. Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I did a party in Hoboken, as I normally do,
and this is a little pretext that no one else
kind of knew. But a guy came up to me
at the beginning of the party with wife and they're
like hanging out at the table and they're drinking. He's like, oh,
we're big fans. We drove in from Philly, blah blah blah.
Fast forward two hours later, the champagne show begins and

(07:11):
I'm standing on the bar and I'm just kind of
pouring champagne and whoever decides to jump up with me,
and this guy puts his wife on the bar and
all it's fine. She's like, hey, starts I start pouring champagne,
and then he just starts fingering her right on the bar.
And then then there's footage of me. We're all just like,

(07:33):
what is happening right now? Just we all stop. It's
crazy because it's on the bar and the place is packed,
so there's people like I level, like, you're just sitting
at a bar like this, Oh god right there, right,
So the phones were already out, and then this thing
just spread like a wildfire. So this guy gets they
get they get thrown out, the club gets shut down

(07:54):
really like literally the next day. I think they lost
their like a license instantly because it went viral like instantly. Okay,
my mom was like, why, why are why did I
hear her last name on ten ten wins. I'm like, dude,
the mayor of Hoboken called in an affront to human decency.
I was like, I think we put it on a
shirt at the time, just it was a badge of honor. Well,

(08:15):
so all of a sudden, I'm you know, obviously freaking
out because there's like articles that go up like sexual
assault at Hoboken nightclub.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well because from the outside view, everyone's like, this guy's
just fingering a girl at a party, right, they don't
know their connection who they are.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Every day there's a new wave of information until it
all kind of dissipates. So what happened was, Okay, no
one knew they were married, so then articles started coming
out that they were married. As he was leaving, he
just started yelling I'm a cop, Like I'm a cop,
blah blah blah, I'm a cop. Well, because he didn't
want to get arrested. Because they got arrested I think
that night, and so the articles went from like Correll's

(08:56):
parties are like, oh my god, you know someone got
sexually assaulted at two oh a married couple, and like
should a cop act this way?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Went out? Right? Should a cop finger his wife in
a public place? Right?

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It was no longer like a oh okay, these two
random strangers. So yeah, yeah, he was a cop from Philly.
The kind of awesome from that perspective, I mean, that's
a great okay, I mean, what's the difference between what
that is and like the box?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
So okay, So here's where my question comes in. It
is a consenting couple at bar. Sure, I'm sure there
are some type of like publican decency things that go
along with that. I'm not one hundred percent sure what
the rules to be able one.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
There's so many levels of publican decency I see every
day in the streets of New York. Let me ask,
you just live in a vacuum with me? Is that
not love?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Like? Dude?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like, I'm just like, dude, I want you so bad
right now, and I want to make you come right
like ignore like everyone's viewpoints on like they shouldn't have
it in a public But you're like, dude, that's great, Okay,
that's great. If I could finger my girlfriend everywhere, I would.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
You would not.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
If you were.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Here right now with your girlfriend and you were just
like overcome with love, you would try to finger her
on the console of this radio.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
It was socially acceptable. But it's not.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm just laughing at the whole fingering concept. I don't
know why it's so funny to.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Me, Well, fingering is like it's like eighth grade.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, but it's just doing that as an adult at
a bar. I feel like there's more fun stuff you
could do.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, I guess. But fingering it's like a selfless act.
It is selfless. It's the only self I can't I'm
literally that's how much I love you, Like, I don't
even think about myself that's.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
An interesting spin to put on it. I don't have
to think about it.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
That was a public display of affection really, just modern
times of affection.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Was she like blackout drunk at the time? Is that
why people thought it.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Was a probably? I mean we all were. That's like,
you know, we were drunk. What do you think happens
at a bar? Like it was not a library.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I've never seen someone get fingered on a bar. I've
seen some crazy stuff, I have not seen that one.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You've got to look, Okay, I guess you're right. Sometimes
you don't even realize what's happening. You many girls could
probably figer the bars and clubs you don't even.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Do, just plenty do. I'm saying I have actually witnessed.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, Why do they lose their liquor license?

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Good dude, because you can't have that happen.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Sex and alcohol don't usually mix legally, or I just
think it's just a baby. In New Jersey, there's got
to be some nudity laws. Like New York, you're allowed
to be top us in public as a woman. You
have the same rights as a man. That's nice, but
you know it's politics. I'm sure like enough press gets out,
the mayor's got to get involved, and someone's like, yo,
shut these people down, like we don't want this is hoboken,

(11:27):
Like we have expensive real estate here, we can't have
a bar do this on this block.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Did anyone ever come after you specifically for this? Did
you get sued? Was there any type of ramification for you?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
No?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Nothing, No. I think that's some bad press for a while,
and then I was it.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I think I might have like lost one gig because
it was like right away some place was like whoa wa,
whoa whoa wow.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
And then two days later as all went away.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Were you how did you start down this path? Because
you did kind of jump in. You were like a
first adopter of a lot of this stuff, or a
first I guess first out of the gate.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I started doing everything two thousand and nine, and I
picked up a camera, started Caroll was Here, which was
a photo website of shit I saw in New York.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Okay, built traffic fast.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
People started booking me in other nightclubs all over like
the world, because they were like, well, he gets so
much traffic, we'll just hire career to take photos show
the world how nice our club is. And when you
visit Boston or Miami. I should be going there because
look how hot the girls look or how cool the
night is. And then you know, I got kicked off
Instagram a whole lot. Yeah, right, I got kicked off

(12:29):
of Twitter. What for? I got in a fight with
a really I didn't at the time understand how famous
of a YouTuber this fat girl was, and I made
a fat joke at her because we were making fat
we were making I made a joke and then she like
ribbed me, and then I ribbed her back, and then

(12:51):
I got deleted.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
And then you got deleted. Yeah, looking back at it,
do you think you should have got deleted? Do you
think it was unfair?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, here's the thing. Yeah, I'll tell you that
who was as I gotta look it up? So it
was like, as an artist, no, I shouldn't be deleted.
But as a business owner, you're like, like, I'm sure
Twitter's like, I'm who care? Get rid of them?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Right? Like they don't care?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Like Twitter doesn't give.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like when I think about me getting kicked off Instagram,
I'm like, I totally understand. Like if I was the
owner of Instagram and I'd be drunk with power.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
I'd be like, yeah, I don't care, Like, why don't
need this? A slut whisper? What is that? Get rid
of that?

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I don't want this, so you understand why.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I totally get that. It's a business, and like I
don't matter.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Okay, you know what I mean, and you're okay with
that you don't care, but you've come back ate a
new account.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I'm like herpees, you know, you can't really, you
can't really get rid of me. I'll find my way back.
The craziest part is I had so many names and
then I finally was like, I give up my last name.
It's gonna be slut Whisper. And that's the one that's stuck.
Like that's the one that grew the following, and I'm
like fuck again, I like, I can't get no brand deals,

(13:57):
no nothing, because nobody wants a slut Whisper sign. Even though, yes,
my humor was out of pocket and I had all
this ship but at the end of the day, like
even a brand like directs right, someone who's sex positive
could have fucked with me, but just then, you know,
it's just an off putting name because right, which is
a great way to have conversations and arguments with people
on the internet, because when you get in a heated

(14:17):
debate on my page at the end of the day,
people like, dude, you're on the face called slow whisper,
right like this this is like what do you like
We're really going to have like real discourse here.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
You seem to have your head wrapped around this in
a fairly reasonable way, because I think a lot of
people would say, no, you can't ban me. F that
I'm taking myself very seriously. I'm an entrepreneur, I've done
all these amazing things. But you're just kind of like
I'm here to fuck around and it's fine and it's
fun and whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I talk about you just have to okay.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So also, you know you're just calloused, right, Like how
many how many Instagrams have I lost? How many times
have I been kicked off? So you still need like
every journey's up an uphill battle, right, Like are you ever?
Like everyone's still working? Like even people who you're like,
what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So?

Speaker 1 (15:02):
What are you doing now?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
They deleted me after the I think the Netflix documentary shined.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Too much of an eye on me.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Let's talk about the Netflix. Yeah, okay, American Meme, Yeah,
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So what was it that you think from that got
you banned on other platforms?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, I think it just got me kicked. I think
it just got kicked me off Instagram because it's just
like shine too much. It just put too many eyes
on me. The American Meme was the greatest thing that
ever happened to my career for a moment, because I
was the only person that stood to benefit from it.
Everyone that documentary is very famous. It was like Emily Raderkowski,
it was like Paris Hilton, DJ Khaled and then like

(15:50):
My Story ARC because they thought it was like interesting.
Because I was like, I don't go to funk about
any of this, Like this is all just chokes on.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Us, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So it did the most for me because the weight
of all their star power dragged it to the Tribeca
Film Festival, and then from there I got dragged to Netflix.
And then when it was on Netflix, this was like
at a time when Netflix was like it was still
kind of the early streaming wars kind of shit. So
Netflix was like it made you and then.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
It all went away, and then it all went away.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Overnight to zero boop kicked off and you're like, okay,
so let's just figure this out.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
How does it feel to go from everything to zero?
Did you panic? Did you freak out?

Speaker 4 (16:29):
When you?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
How did you find out?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I didn't know?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
We didn't, dude.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I was I was getting a this, I was getting
a tattoo, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
I just got kicked off Instagram.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
But it happened so many times in my life that
I was like, all right, we'll get it back, we'll
figure it out, right, well whatever, We'll take a week off,
I'll come back like, hey, look, you know they can't
kill us, right that comeback post probably will do better
than me, just like.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Being online for a week anyways. And then it just spanned.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, we had like a bounty out forever on it,
but and then just got it back one day.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Did you get an alert you've been kicked off Instagram?
How does that? Because it hasn't happened to me, I'm shadow.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Band, No, no, no, I mean I think we're all shadow
band at this. I mean I don't know what you
post that's like out of pocket?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Well they think that my Instagram name because it's maybe
hot sauce. They think it is close to some sort
of child pedophilia, like a pedophilia ring.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I'm not kidding, Like the internet's so soft.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
That's my shadow band story. It's exciting, not as exciting
as yours.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, but I mean, like, why can't we all That's
why I understand if I have a following, Fine, don't
show me to new people, but fucking show me to
my people, right right? Like why am I being like
I don't find don't I can live in my own
corner of the internet, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
How many times does this happened to you?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Twenty?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
So we could sort of tell this as a story
of resilience, yes, coming back?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's such a dumb thing because like my
grandfather went to war and this is what I do. Right,
You're like, what a soft like Like I say, the
internet soft, but like what a soft man?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Look at these hands, they all like these are just
twitter fingers, right like that done?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, what does your family think about all this and
what you do? Did she explain it to them?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So my parents so we're Russian immigrants, right, so my
parents have a little bit of context in terms of
like what real suffering could be. You know, I didn't
have a banana to like he in America, Like, we
just didn't have a bunch of shit.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Right, when did you come to America in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I was six?

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
My parents love the arts like I got. We go
to Broadway, like, they love comedy, They love all this shit.
So then when I chose to pursue this, yes, it
scared them because they're Russian immigrants and education so important immigrants,
and I dropped out of college. This was like what
the was the first person in my family not to
attend a school. But when it comes to like what

(18:48):
I do, they don't view it negatively. They just think
it's funny what.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
You portray to the world. Is it a character to them?
Or are they like, no, that's really what he's like.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
No, it's exaggerated, yes for the internet. But it's like
I still kind of thoughts are in my head, right, they.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Make me laugh.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Do you think you're a misogynist?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
No, I think I'm a modern day feminist. Explain that
or just a real feminist, because you know that argument's
just so like everyone's like, oh, curly misogynist I'm like, well,
the what's misogynsts about letting a woman choose what to
do with their own body? And if that choice is
to have champagne poured on it, why is that, all
of a sudden not her choice anymore?

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I like it. I think a modern day feminist is
an interesting way to put it.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I think so I love women. Who doesn't. I mean,
I'm sure a lot. I know a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
There's a lot of people out there right now with
a lot of big ideas about women and how they operate.
And I think that the whole you getting banned for
getting into an argument with a youtubur for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah, for a fat joke.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
For a fat joke. Do you remember what the joke was?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
So I tweet you know this, dude, this is such
a dumb joke, and it was it was the best
way to go out on Twitter. Ok okay, if I
can be like, all right, I got kicked off Twitter
for this, Like I'll take it. I tweeted something like, hey,
I have no problem with fat people until their fatness
is an inconven means to me, Like if you're spilling
over in your seat on a plane onto me. Then

(20:04):
I have a problem with you. I even at this girl.
I don't know how she saw my twe that was
the tweet. It's the tweet. I got no problem with
you until it's up on top of me. I don't
know how she found it. I had a little bit
of a following, but not like her. She writes back,
don't worry, honey, or something like that, I fly private.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
I was like, damn, it's a great roasted It's great.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
It is great, Like I love that, Like that's such
a great like that's what I would say if I
flew private. And so I was like, well, I can't
not chirp her back because I'm like, clearly she's got
a little bit of sense of humor about this. And
I said, I know, I saw the movie, and then
I posted the movie post. I've ever seen the movie
Operation Dumbo drops? Were they airlift an elephant?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah? Yeah, See the diamond is dying. She's doing it quietly.
She's dying in the dude.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
A funny jokes, Just a funny joke. Every joke has
a victim. Let's take suicide. I got kicked off for bullying,
but because then her fans were like, oh my god,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I was like, fuck, well.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Okay, So let's this is an interesting thing, especially at
this time in American history. Freedom of speech. Yes, how
far do you feel it should be allowed to go?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
I mean, isn't the where's the line?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think there's no I mean there's no line, because
I think the concept is freedom of speech is there
to protect speech you don't like. But sorry, that's just
kind of part of that freedom part, right, like just
because you know what I mean, Like if someone doesn't
like rock music, do they get to make a.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Choice for all of us?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (21:33):
It's such a personal taste, so.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
You don't draw the line anywhere because like, what about
when it comes to be cause I'm.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, like nothing related.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
It takes a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
I don't know what would offend me. And maybe this
is obviously a straight white male, privileged kind of situation too, right,
But like all right, fine, even if you put in
the jew card in there, if it's funny, that's even better.
But if it's not, like I don't.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Know, I mean, I guess I can't say nothing offends me.
I've definitely seen some comments where I'm like, oh, gasp.
That hurt my feelings a little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know hurt my feelings is like that's just like,
oh yeah, damn that like I have nothing to say about.
Like if someone just posts on like you're fat, I'm like, damn,
I didn't want.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
To see that today. But he's right. But that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Imagine if you had on check power, you'd be like,
no more fat jokes.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's kind of getting to.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, we're getting to like some dictator shit, which is
you know, a company can, theoretically, I guess, run like that.
Like we said, right, Instagram can choose who to delete
based on who they want. But I think the whole point.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Of where we live is we could just we should
be able to say anything and we can face the
consequences for it.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
But like so, when it comes to hate speech, because
this is where I get torn about things, I wholeheartedly
believe people should say what is on their mind, what
is on the hurt, Go ahead, say it. I want
to know from somebody.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'd rather know your people.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, if you hate Indian people, I don't want to
frequent your business, So please, by all means, go off
and say it. At the same time, now with this
rise of social media and everybody just diving into it
like balls deep, it is interesting to watch the influence
that it has on a younger generation that never grew
up without it. And it is interesting to see what
appears to be very hateful rhetoric spreading like wildfire. And

(23:12):
because we live in a country where there is free
speech it being allowed, you wouldn't step in anywhere and
be like, yeah, no, that might be a little too much.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, well, I mean we live in these echo chambers, right,
Like before a person with crazy thoughts hopefully thought they
were alone. Now you're like, oh, I can find my people, right,
and so now it's now you're just like, oh, well,
this must be true.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
We must be right.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
And most conspiracy theorists, obviously or whatever, people in those
like extreme fringe groups believe they're always right like I do.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Like entropy.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I love when shit breaks down, and it's kind of
interesting to watch society crumble that we get to live
through that. But I'm such a I'm such a like.
I believe in the good of people so much. I
believe someone's good before I believe there. I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay, how does that affect your thoughts on?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Oh, so here's my thing, here's my thing.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I believe in the good and people, and so for now, yeah,
I guess if everyone wore what they believed on their shirt,
it would really make me sad because right now I
walk down the street and I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Like, oh, look at all those good people.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
But then if I'm like, oh shit, that's what that
guy thinks, and that's what that guy thinks, maybe we
have too much like maybe yours right, Maybe we have
too much freedom of speech in terms of free Maybe
we have too much freedom of expression. We're all pieces
of shit, right, like and luckily history dude, you don't
know fucking Leonardo da Vinci like raped a bunch of women, right,

(24:34):
we don't know any of that shit. So it's like
it lets us kind of romanticize humanity and maybe that's bad,
but you know, but in the end, like you'd be
surprised how many people downstairs?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
How many how many murderers do you think you shake
hands with? Oh?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think about that all the time.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Right, how many disgusting human beings have you shaken hands with?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Where you're like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I mean I think about that even when it comes
to just taking pictures with people. Because somebody comes up
to you and they're like, oh my god, I love
you so much. I want to take a picture with.
You're not going to say no, say yeah, for sure,
you don't know what that person is up to.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Then on the news the next week, what about how
many famous people you've taken a picture with? And then
one in a million ends up fucking Diddy and then
you look like fucking You're on Epstein's Island, right Like,
It's just it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
We have too much information, which I say this all
the time. I think the amount of information we have
is almost akin to having no information, because you can
find something to support any crazy thing that you have
to say. It doesn't matter what it is, you're gonna
find your little echo chamber of people who say, yep,
I agree with that thing. I just there has to
be a breaking point at some place with this. It
feels that we're sort of getting there. Technology moves faster

(25:34):
than regulation does. I'm not sure what should be regulated
or not be regulated. You seem like you're in a
position where you've experienced both sides of this, and you
seem fine with it. But I just I look at
certain things, you know, like this rise of the in
cell is wild. Where's it coming from? And why? What
is what is all of this about? I know you're
not gonna have an answer.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
For No, I think there are a lot of Well,
here's the thing. I think first of all, rising the
inseel probably comes to the fact that men no longer
have to engage in the art of conversation in person.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
There used to be a thing we had to do.
Now I get to sit there like a fucking king
and look at my bounty and just go yes no, yes, no,
and then like.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I will talk about that later.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, it's just there's just it turned relationships and dating
into this kind of like algorithmic thing. And then and
suddenly these dudes who aren't getting laid, they're just mad
at that system. But like, go out, go talk to people.
Someone will fuck you, dude, trust.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Me, someone will fuck you firsthand.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Dude, trust me. I've gotten laid my entire life looking
like I look, I was going to.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Ask you when it comes to that when you did
have the slut whisper tag and you were throwing these
wild parties and dolving champagne on people, and there was
a reputation that went along with that. Yes, did that
make it more difficult or less difficult when it came
to relationships?

Speaker 2 (26:53):
It made it obviously more difficult, Okay, for obvious reasons. Right,
every girl friend you're with has to feel very comfortable
and the fact that you get to hang out with
boobs every night, but.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know it a good boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
No, Okay, I wasn't. I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And that in my twenties and you know, living in
New York and you know, you felt like a local
celebrity and the best part of being a party photographer
a photographer is he you're everyone's best friend. Right, Everyone
wants their photo taken, and then you have a gift
for them the next day or that night where you're like, yoh,

(27:35):
here's a picture I ticke of you. Right, there's just
there's like a crazier connection like a DJ. Arguably, I
think has an easier job because they get to stand
in one place and not be annoyed by people and
they can kind of control their environment. But I'm like,
I get to form a way stronger bond because I
get to kind of prowl around.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
And have these little moments happen.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And I think photography also actually helps offen my brand
my entire life right as crazy as it is, like yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
But look at and people meet me and.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
They hang and they're like, ah, he's nice, he's that
just a you know whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Are you in a relationship now? Yeah, and you think
she's your Yeah, she's that's it, that's it, or you
wouldn't be with it.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. I'm done, dude. Have you
seen it out there?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Unfortunately?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, Like if I was single, I would just be
a complete degenerate.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
But I would imagine being a photographer at these kind
of parties would really highlight how crazy things are at
the moment. It also does feel like parties have completely changed.
Like the party where I met you. Yeah, I was
fascinated because there were so many influencers there, and all
of them were just so concerned about their phone and
what they were doing and being in the bubble of
them that it didn't seem like a ton of people

(28:37):
were really interacting with each other. And I was kind
of like, am I the weirdo for being here with
a couple of my friends and cracking up laughing when
everyone else is so fucking serious and taking seventeen thousand
pictures at the same time.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I don't know if you feel this, but I'm comfortable
in my life right now enough that I'm kind of
overfeeding the machine, Like I'm trying to unplug as much
as I can, Like I give social media the air
minimum now, and so I get to enjoy places Like
there's times I go out, I'm like, fuck, I didn't
even like post it. I went out today, And I
think a lot of people they're so caught up in

(29:08):
it that they're just they're just all they're doing is
making content.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
It is disheartening because.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's kind of grows, to be honest, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Because it used to be just like a photographer and
a video guy captured it all for all of us.
And now every now everyone's got their own.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Perspective on it, and everyone thinks they're a perspective or
their opinion whatever it is matters so much that that's
I think, which.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I think you'd be a good dictator.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I would love to be.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, you give me dictator vibes because you're like, you're
very like, you know what, I don't think we need
any of these.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Opinions, not at all. There's too many, there's too much.
There's just a lot of shit going on that I'm
not a fan of. I would love to be a
dictator or a cult leader if.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I could, Well, well that I think a cult leader.
The difference is, I think you well, both definitely die
horrible deaths, but I think the dictator gets to live
longer than the cult leader usually dies with the cult.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, I don't want to do that, it is, that'd
be a good way to go. It just it was
a very strange thing that specific party because and I
also know that influencers were specifically invited to do that
and spread the word and do well.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's the thing too now is that this is what
sucks about the current state of affairs. Is it used
to be like, hey, let's curate a fun party and
a fun vibe to how many eyeballs can we get
in here?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like, oh, that person's going to add two million eyes
that present. Right, So now you have a room full
of people that necessarily shouldn't be hanging out together, but
you're just trying to maximize views and clicks instead of like, hey,
we need where the eccentric, like gay kids, right, like,
I need forty of them there having a blast. Where's like,
you know, these guys and the punky and right, and then
all of a sudden you have a dope party.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Speaking of the funny gay kids whatever, like the gritty
gay kids. You lived in LA for a while and
then you said that you hated it, so you moved
from LA, where I would imagine exactly what we're talking
about happens at a much crazier level right over there.
You moved from LA back to New York because you
hated LA. You were about to tell me why, I said, Zeba, stop,
I want to cat on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Why did I hated LA?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Because I needed someone else to collaborate with constantly, and
LA people are very lazy, don't want to leave the house.
They don't adhere to schedules, So you're constantly looking for
stimulation from other people to try to, like, you know,
make content right like where you know, I run a
clothing brand, like I New York is great because the

(31:23):
city is the collaborator. I don't need to worry in
schedule models. I'm like, dude, I can walk the streets
in New York with my phone and probably fill it
full of content because the city's just so much more alive.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
So much more fun, and the city is beautiful. The
city's fucking gorgeous. This is a great city.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Absolute said earlier. There's so much propaganda on New York
and we sort of talk about that too, like, yeah,
there are some crazy stories you're gonna hear, but for
the most part, they really sensationalize it, like.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Are you gonna get assaulted?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm like, yes, I get assaulted in I'll get assaulted
in California, but no one will see my body for
a week.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
If I at least get assaulted in New York.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I'm like, there's two thousand people that are gonna least
be within vicinity to drag my body to help. Somebody
will will step in. Right, It's like I'd much rather
be assaulted here than in La.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
What a way to say it. But this is I
do feel like the city is great. I don't feel
unsafe when I'm here. Oh, I don't feel like it's
collapsing into itself time, do you. She's born and raised Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
So she's part of the appeal to cities that's a
little dangerous, right, Like that's kind of the fun part
of it, Like where all of a sudden like part,
you know, we're supposed to be New York is supposed
to be tougher, like Philly's scary.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Philly definitely has Philly.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Philly is a little scary sometimes, right, But New York
is great.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I just I was very fascinated by that article because
it was like, if you look at these places where
people used to hang out all the time and it
was like god, kids and artists and all these other people.
Now it's just every single person looks the exact same
with the slickback gun and the tiny hoop beerings and
they're all walking around with a ring camera trying to
kind of but they're not from New York.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well, fame became accessible of a sudden, that's what it has,
or the prospect of fame. It seems a lot easier,
right to become a famous actor. You're like, fuck, that's
a lot of work, right, But now you're like, oh,
it needs a ring light and a phone and that
the barrier of entry is so and you can go
viral now for just having a long neck.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
How much do you think fame actually helps you monetize
something and how often do you think you can make
something out of that? Because we see things go viral
all the time, because I think there's a reality that
exists there that a lot of people don't know about.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Well, there's a difference. I think when lightning strikes, it's
nice to have a library, right, Like I always say,
my friend's musician and he desperately wanted to have like
a hit out the gate, and you're like, dude, but
if you blow up with one song, do you have
no life library to like build anything off of. And
now the pressure is even higher because now you've got

(34:05):
to recreate that energy. Right, But if you won't go
viral on your thirtieth song, you could go on tour
the next day because now you have your fans can
look back at your archives, get fall in love with
your shit, and now you're like, oh, already, my muscles
are there. I've done thirty songs. I can keep releasing
shit the form like I just you know what I mean.
So I think a lot of people might go viral

(34:26):
too early and then it just disappears. I think if
you're consistent, you go viral, you can keep it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Do you feel like you're suck in a box?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, I don't know. I don't really I mean I
don't know. I don't really have an A I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
So you say you don't have an agenda. Well, so
when you lead up every morning and you're like, I
got a hustle, I gotta do something, like what is
your day?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Like a slow news day sucks because there's nothing to
make fun of.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I don't think there are slow news days anymore.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Well, there's slow news days when you make march okay,
like shit just won't sell, right, Like the Coldplay fucking
cheating thing. Great, we made a shirt that says I'd
rather be caught cheating than in a cold Play concert,
right like that was our response and went like mini
viral for arc thing and did well. So it's kind
of like you wake up, you start brainstorming ideas all
day and then you execute them and it's not a

(35:11):
glamorous life.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Are you comfortable? Do you feel like you have to
like you can coast on this? Do you think for
the rest of your life is going to think?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I mean, there's no reason to not run assholes left
forever forever because A I'll always have something to say
about what's going on, and it might not be the
correct stance always, but it'll be a funny one. And
if it's funny, that's good enough for me.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Sometimes, look at the.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Very least, the political climate has to be great for
your brand at the moment.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, except you know what, Like here's the problem is,
like it's still a business. And unfortunately, dude like Joe
Biden March just didn't sell. Like it sucks because the
left it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Shop like that. They're not right or dies. They're not.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
They're more of like, we don't really you know, they're
not like they're not like that. And so like anytime
you would do like a Trump shirt, you're like, god,
damn it, these people really they love that shit love it.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
But hey you might as well make money off.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Of it if you're Yeah, I mean we make fun
of them a lot too.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Do those move?

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Those move too?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
But those get bought by like even like the fucking
magat crowds sometimes, And.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I mean it's weird. It's a silly The Internet's a
silly place.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
How how do you deal with the trolls? You seem
like you probably just don't get shit.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
You can just watch like as I will use it
for content if it's worthy of it, right, Like when
they send you like an email like I'm gonna burn
all my shit. I can't believe you support abortions and
blah blah blah, and you're like, great, awesome, thank you
for I don't even need to think of a post
for today.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I'll just post that right.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Also, you already bought it. What do I care if
you burn it?

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Dude? That's people are so dumb.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
It makes me laugh every single time when when they
burn their stuff. I'm like, but you already paid them.
It's not like you're paying residuals to wear it. No
one cares if you burn it, dude.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Donate it.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
At least when you think about your career and the
things you've done in your life in general, Yes, you've
done something differently probably dude.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
You know what I say? Then no one talks about
this shit, but like it's some part of me is.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Like I have a friend who works for like the
gas company since he was twenty years old, and he's
retiring in two years with two hundred grand a year
for the rest of his life. Oh, I'm like, I'm like,
fuck my life because you're just like damn. Like my
journey here was great, but now he gets to stop

(37:28):
and gets to do whatever he wants. And I'm like,
oh man, I got to keep being funny and weird
and silly to generate a revenue. But I guess that's just,
you know, the price we pay. But I don't know,
maybe maybe it would have been.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
A life the way that you want to live.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It's I know, but it's just filled with a lot
more anxiety and insecurity.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
And you know, it's just you never know.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Do you feel like you're anxious and insecure? I, yes, yes,
I'm a neurotic jew.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Like, yeah, I'm very anxious. I hate being like late places.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I hate talking, I hate talking with lawyers, I hate
talking with accountants. I hate all forms of like emails.
I just don't like. Life just gotten complicated, didn't it?

Speaker 4 (38:12):
It did?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
It got so I used to just poor Champagne on girls,
I get paid money and go home.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now you have to do it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, now, I'm like, God, God, So.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
You would do that differently if you could. You would
really go back and be like, you know what, let
me get a job at the gas company and give
up everything else that you've had since you kind of
started this way, you would.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Go in that direction maybe who knows? Who knows.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I appreciate that answer, but you know what the crazy
part is is like I was talking to my best
friend about this, yes, sir, because he's having a kid,
and I'm like, dude, if I had a kid, I
would be that, Oh my god, I'm going to be
that parent that goes like, no, go get a real job.
Your arts are not like the way to go. And
I know that if my parents told me that, I
would have been like, shut up.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
You don't know. Like I want to express myself. I
want to express myself.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I'm like, yeah, dude, at forty one, I'm like, I'm
tired of expressing myself right, like for money.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
So you wouldn't let your kid do what you do?
Would you let your kid go to a party that
you threw?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, I don't care about any of that.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
My mom has been to my party, my parents, everywhere
my family has been.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I was so when I initially wanted to have you
on the podcast, I was like, he probably has the
craziest stories. And I know that you definitely do obviously
have the craziest stories. But I've really been thinking about
getting into a podcast called the Cancel Club where people
who have sort of dealt with a lot of shit
or maybe even at some point got canceled. Okay, do
we give them a little shot at redemption? Should they
have been canceled? Because I think for the most part,
most people probably shouldn't have and.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't think you should ever lose your way of
I guess that once again, dita, no, right? And then
I'm like, well, because my God complex says I know
what's right, right, so like just trust me, Like, yeah,
that person doesn't need that job, right, Like like bake
the fucking cake for the gay people?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Like what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
No, don't bake the cake for the gay people. But
everybody know that you don't want to cook for gay
people and bake for gay because I'm like, and then
I don't want to go to you. I'm not kidding me.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Money doesn't like he shouldn't even have a business, Like
are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (40:03):
So I was thinking, but you haven't really been canceled.
You've sort of just continued to rebound from all of it.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
So I can't even say you can't get canceled when
you have no boss. That's the other thing, right, So
I always saw this like think about it this way,
Like could Louis c k he got canceled?

Speaker 3 (40:17):
But does he really? Can he really get canceled?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Like not really because he's an artist of He's like,
he writes his own material, he performs his own material.
All he needs is a microphone. In theory, he would
always find his way back. If you're an actor and
get canceled, like dude, what do you do you? What
are you going to light your own set, film your
own like you know what I mean? Those people truly
could lose their way of life in some way. I
don't have a boss, Like, okay, you cancel me by

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kicking me off a platform, like they just make another account,
and then can you still do that? Make more accounts? Well?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Because yeah, now I know like if I block someone,
I never used to block people, but now I'm like,
I'm the dictator of this page. This is not a democraphy,
I'll block you immediately, but it says block this person
and any future account they make or other accounts they have,
And I'm like.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, I block a lot of people. Yeah, it's so much.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I think you block someone because you said you told me.
You don't get offended.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Really, I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just like because I know it ruins their day.
A part of me just goes.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I'll start.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
The best part is when you are you argue and
then block before they can respond, or you restrict them
so they can't. They're only talking to themselves. No, and
sees their interactions. It's just fun.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Like you're an internet past.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
I'm a dictator of my own I'm.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
A dictator for career. It is I say not everybody's
opinion matters here. This is my page. This is where
I come from, my happiness and what I want to do.
I don't need these little people chirp.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But it is nice when you get shirt because that's
when you realize you've done something right. Like I think
to me at the end of the day, true art
is something that evokes an emotion, right, And so when
you say something that bothers people, I'm.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Like, you did it, that's good.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Look at me in my art.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
That's good. You don't want people to agree with you
always either.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
That's that's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
You annoy people all day. Oh yeah, what do you
get shipped for?

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
What's on? I get shipped for?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
What's your most controversial take.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Controversial take? It's never really about a take either, It's
just so I'm the newest into the show, Okay. I
think that in general that tends to rub people the
wrong way who have listened for a very long time, like, oh,
what is this new person? Why is she there? What
is she doing? I think that because I report the news.
It's part of my job here. When people don't like
a news story, they assume that that is me that

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created the news story, as opposed to the person.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
That's the message you and they're like, I heard you.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I don't know. Diamond said that the tide has turned.
Are they still talking shit? I haven't a while.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Okay, Oh my god, why are they talking about?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
What are they saying about?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Hold on couple over here? Annoying to just.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I'm like whatever, Yeah, imagine shown up to these people's jobs, say.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Yeah, let's what do you do for a living?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
You flip the lame?

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I don't. I mean, it's it's at some point, sort
of to your point earlier, where you're like you just
sort of become immune to it. In the beginning, it
stung a lot like when it first started to happen.
I was like, oh, why would somebody say that about me?
Clutches pearls. This is so sad. And then after a while,
it's like the difference between a tornado and the amount
of deaths and a tsunami and the amount of deaths.
When eleven people die in a tornado, you're like, holy shit,
eleven people died. That's crazy. And then when twenty five

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thousand people die in a tsunami, you can't process that number.
So it's just this wave pun intended I guess of
nonsense that you're like, I can't even because I can't
process it, it doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Right, Yeah, I don't like this, but I like that
you do have really good dictator mentality where.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
You're like, twenty five thousand.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Deaths can't even what it can't process.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
That does not compute. But then like that's like my
girlfriend and then she sees like a homeless guy with
a puppy and she's like I need to save that dog. Right,
She's like that dog is suffering. I'm like, there's read
the news. It's like.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
You can't I can't process.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Think about it this way? Do you really care people die?
Like I kill so many people in traffic.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
When I sit in traffic, I'm like, I wish you
were dead, like the car in front of me if
the guy doesn't make the left fast enough.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Right, are you not an angry? Where are you from?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Originally the family's Indian?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Okay, but like where'd you live for? New York?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Boston?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Okay? Yeah, okay, so there's there's rage there.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
The meanest place I've ever encounter in my life.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I love Boston.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I love it too, but if they are mean, it's
like the mean city and I appreciate it. I say
all the time, like people think New Yorkers are mean,
but they're not. I think New Yorker's are really efficient.
They will give you the directions, not talk to you,
not smile, not have like a little conversations, send you
on your way. In Boston, they will give you the
wrong directions. I think that that's like the difference. And
I love Boston.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh that's hilarious. I've never even thought of it that way.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
They are. Think about all the people you know from Boston.
They're kind of assholes, massholes if you will. But I
love it and I'm some of my favorite people are
from there. But there's a big difference.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Do you get hate for betraying your city but not.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
That's the hate that I don't care about. That's that's
not real hate, that's not serious. That's not like, oh,
you should lose your job for X y Z. And Also,
I think part of the thing here that might rub
people the wrong way is I tend to be a
bit of a dissenter when everyone is on one page.
Oftentimes I just don't agree with it. And it's not
specifically trying to be the devil's advocate or like fight

(44:59):
with people. I just see things from a different lens.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Right, But it was also fun that creates a fun conversation.
Haven't argue to appoint you. I'll commit to a point
if I have to and find my way out of
it somehow.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
What is your hottest take?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I once said, I don't like this is an old
hot take that I don't like when we stand for
the survivors of like a cancer at like a baseball game, okay,
because I was like, they did nothing but survive, Right,
That's not like we should be standing for the doctors, right,

(45:34):
the people who actually helped write like people like you're
such a fighter I'm like, it's in my body's just
doing what's doing. Right when I get the hiccups, I didn't,
I didn't call you know what I mean, Like, that's
just my body being my body. So like, yes, I'm
glad you're here. Maybe not, I don't even know. You
might be a piece of shit first of all. But
when they're like everyone's standing this is like everyone survivor's
breast cancer, and you're like, yes, I got it. I'm

(45:54):
glad you guys are here, but like the real heroes
are the people that really saved you.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
You guys just got that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I agree with that. I'm still standing clapp for the
cancer survivors. I'm not in my head all the time.
I'm like, no, we thank modern medicine.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Think yes, I think thank the people that that why
you're here.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Not you get on board with that.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Okay, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
All right, So people want to find if they want
to find your merch, okay.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So you can go to Assholes Lift Forever dot com
or you might know the other version of the website
is Linda Finegold. We had to make a woman we
couldn't advertise as assholes Lift Forever, Okay, and then I
just needed It's a long story.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I'll tell you know the time.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
But assholes, if forever dot com my Instagram is still
a slot whisper, I still have that. I have Carill
was Here and then that's it, or I also have
Carill again. Speaking of backups, so I have three, I
have two. Hopefully this doesn't get me deleted, but you
know I have two lifeboats. That's it, okay, And then my.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Photography is just Carill was here dot com.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So people want you to like show up and shoot
their event, they just go to Carol dot com.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I'm kind of like a free agent where people hit
me up and I'll go shoot it if I think
it's fun, okay, and will I take the money, probably,
But I do a lot of free shit. I just
want to I don't want to be tarnished by money
right now. And instead of ten shit I really want
to see and instead of being like, fuck, I got
paid to go to this tonight and I should have
gone to that that I.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Really wanted to go to, which goes back to the
earlier point about influencers. It's much more important to focus
on what things feel like rather than what things look like. Yeah,
there's been a big shift in that.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Well, because it's so easy to make something look good,
so easy, right.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Okay, so people are going to come find you if
they want to. Which one do you? Which one is
the most important to you?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean salt whisper go there. You know that's just
come for the hajas. Okay, it's for the little little debate.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
So that's where you'll get the best content. You can
get into arguments with people if you want to. Yeah,
and I really appreciate you showing up to do the podcast.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, of course. I was so fascinated by like what
you're doing and what your adventure has been and your journey.
I hate that word, but your journey has been so
thanks for coming to talk about all of it. Is
there anything that we missed that you wanted to talk about?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
No, I'm an open book. I feel like, Yeah, thanks
for having me.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Thank you. Okay, And that was that you want to
know what I think I agree with him on. Everyone's
gonna hate me for this. I don't even know if
I should say it. I don't think Okay, I'm not
going to I agree with him on something he said.

(48:32):
Sometimes people say things and they make you think and
you're like, huh that maybe that is how we should
be looking at things, all right, I'll leave that right there. Also,
and maybe this is just like the whole next episode
because I got some of the greatest ask me anything
questions of all time, and I kind of think that
maybe just you and me should do it because I

(48:53):
thronest over here. I'm nervous. I know I'm debating, but
we'll see. I'll show you some of the questions and
then you can decide if you think we should do
this as like a whole episode, because I would be dune.
I'm gonna say yes, but my palms will probably be
sweaty the entire time these week. Arms are heady. Wait,
palms are sweaty. Knees we yeah, you were right. Oh,

(49:14):
arms are heavy. Why does that not make sense to
me right now? Well, remember when you're feeling sick, like
you just feel sumped over. I wish you could do
what you just did now. Fair enough, Okay, if people
want to find you online, Diamond, where can they find
you at?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Diamond?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Since here on Instagram? I am at baby Hot Sauce
on Instagram, Like, follow, subscribe, Thank you, so much for
everybody supporting this. And by the way, Sauce on the
side now has a whole Instagram page where you can
go and see little clips or longer clips. Sometimes it
make me live it because I hate the cameras so much.
But aside from that, we're moving in a positive direction
and I like that.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
All right, until next time, Say bye, Diamond Bye.