June 9, 2026 • 44 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by Jacob Anderson, star of Interview with the Vampire, for a thoughtful conversation about inhabiting one of television’s most complex characters. Jacob opens up about his connection to Louis de Pointe du Lac, the ways he differs from the character, and the emotional challenges of bringing Louis’ story to life in Interview with the Vampire. He reflects on filming the series while spending long stretches away from home, the trust he’s built with co-star Sam Reid, and how moments of humor behind the scenes help balance the show’s intense themes. He also shares the practices that keep him grounded during production of Interview with the Vampire, discusses some of his favorite scenes from the series, and reveals why the relationship between the cast has been so essential to the show's success. Beyond acting, Jacob talks about his love of storytelling, his fascination with behind-the-scenes filmmaking, and how his music career continues to influence his creative process. Plus, he teases new music on the horizon, reflects on parenthood and how kids keep him humble, and closes the episode with some surprising fears!
And catch the bonus episode with Jacob, dropping Thursday! A fun, mini rapid fire round that you won't want to miss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy Dedario, So I love a vampire theme show,
but Interview with the Vampire it is an extra special one.
The show transforms an iconic story into a deeply psychological
and unapologetically queer and culturally resonant drama, and let's be honest,
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it is a deeply seductive series. I am thrilled to
welcome Jacob Anderson to my podcast, who plays the fan
favorite role of our boy Louis in the series. Now,
the third season, The Vampire at Lista is out now
and boy have we been waiting for the show. Jacob.
He's a generational talent man and he brings such a
motion and nuance to this role. And this episode is
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we can get Jacob to say something that he has
never said before. Jacob Anderson, how are you, my man?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you for having me, Tommy, welcome to New York.
Thank you. I love this.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Say you love it?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I'm a walking I love New York T shirt.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Are you doing all the tourist things?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No? Not this time. There's been like no time to
do that work work. Do you know what I did
do last night? We did like a day of press
junk kids, and I just walked over to the park
and I like first I kneeled and then I like
collapsed onto my stomach and then I just like buried
my face into the grass because you were just like,
(02:05):
yeah I was, And I was just like I dread
to think, what is like soaked into this grass? Yeah,
but it was just nice to I just have my
touch gross touch.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Gross, I know. And Central Park is magical, magical I'm
glad you did that. I'm glad you don't have like
zica or any other weird virus right now. I mean
hopefully not, because then I'm gonna get it. It's all right,
It's all right, Well, congratulations, See, we have a lot.
I just say, Zeka, I did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It was you had a good reason.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
To I did?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I did. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We have a lot to celebrate today. We are so
excited that season three of the show is finally here,
and you are such a beloved part of that show.
I mean, when I tease that you were coming on,
I think, like my social media broke. I'm not even kidding.
People were so excited, which is always great to see,
and that just shows the work you're doing what it
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means to people, right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So yeah, you know that's lovely.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, and I guess to begin where do I want
to begin?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
First off, do you you do know you've probably seen
or you've heard that your character in the show is
referred to as the Helen of Troy of Vampires.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, I have seen that, right, right?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean that's kind of an epic compliment.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, yeah, of course, to be the Helen of
Troy of anything. Yeah, I mean preferably of Troy. You
don't want to be the Helen of Troy, right of Troy.
But no, it's it's good. That's it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It is for everyone who's like, who is Helen of Troy?
Greek mythology, yes, semi god and was hailed as like
the most alluring and captivating, a beautiful person in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But she also like supposed maybe this is like like
quite misogynistic idea, but the myth around her was like
she lured sailors to their death like a siren, Like,
wasn't it. It was like the face Maybe that's not true.
It was the face that launched a thousand ships. It
was she was so beautiful that like she made men
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go to war. I don't know as I'm saying, I'm like,
it feels a bit regressive.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, I guess the compliment in that is that you're
clearly making an impact on people and they think you're beautiful.
So own it. Stick with that, right, Let's own that.
Let's forget about the war and all of that. We
don't need to go there. Well, you obviously play Louis.
People love that character, So I guess what is the
easiest part for you when you're filming to like tap
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into when you're playing him, And what's a more challenging
part for you?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you know what I love about Louis actually is
that Louis some of Louie's worst impulses are like things
that have in me, but I would never like i'd
never go there. Like I think he has this sort
of like there's a darkness that he it like wears
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quite a lot. Was I don't really wear my I'm
like the opposite, like I kind of hold it in
and it all kind of comes out as like maybe
passive aggression, but actually it's just like I don't know,
maybe it's like an ADHD. Think maybe Loui's like he
has some form of ADHD maybe, but like yeah, I
think I think it feels he feels like a really
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safe way to sort of like explore the darkness that
I have in me in a safe way. But also
like I think I can love him because I sort
of like understand that like that that you can sort
of go into these like patterns of thought or like
these these like I don't I don't really know where
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I'm going with this, but I just like Louie's kind
of like in some ways he's like my shadow of side. Yeah,
so there's something kind of relieving I think about like
spending some time with him where I can just like
lean into it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Right right, right, Yeah. It gives you permission almost, yeah,
which is really interesting. So are there any parts of
playing Louis that has changed you over time as a
person or changed how you view the world or view
yourself even?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think, well, I think I actually like to that point,
I think I have learned to be sort of like
more like to be kinder to myself, more forgiving of myself,
because I think the thing with Louis is he's so tortured,
like he's so tortured by like the way that he
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processes the world and the way he processes like how
he's been perceived for such a long time that I
think it just like it's becomes like a weight around him.
And I think, as I've like since starting to play Louis,
I do think I do that less. I think I
just like I can move on from things a lot easier.
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I'm just I've own more confident now as well.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know that's a pretty cool thing, right, Art can
give you that gift stepping into your confidence that's really
really cool. And the work you do on The show Man,
I mean there's some intense moments for your character, but
in that's some I mean many, many, many intense moments.
What for you when you think collectively at your body
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of work, was like one of the hardest scenes for
you to film.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think, like I'm a dad, and I think, like
anything to do with Claudia, I can't, like there's something
in me that can't fully separate it from my own life,
like from my own relationship to my kids, and I
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think having to go down those kind of like having
to reflect in that way, it's really it's tough. And
I'm not like I'm not methods, like I don't you know,
I don't feel like I need to like when it's cut,
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like we're having fun, like I take my work seriously
but not myself, and then like you can kind of
compartmentalize those things a little bit. But I think there's
something that I always find really rough about kind of
the way that like the way that Lewis h has
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like a sense of Claudia, like almost like a physical
tangible sense of her and her not being there and
quite a lot of the time as well when we shoot, like,
I'm away from my girls, so I'm like, you know, yeah,
like it me rough?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah yeah, so you really feel it being away from them,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Wow, wow, Well it helps the performance, huh.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. And what's so cool is, I know you and
Sam have talked about how much you love acting together
and working together, and you've now you know, season three
is here and you've done it for years. So how
has your relationship evolved in the different iterations of the
characters you guys have played of the same character, right,
because there's so many different sides to these guys. How
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has you and Sam's relationship changed over the years.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think kind of the like the lovely thing about
the way that me and some work together is that
whatever is thrown at us, like whatever kind of the
situation the characters are in, actually not that much has
ever changed, Like from season to season we kind of
have like I think there is like are as like
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a sort of home feeling that we have with each
other where it's like I feel very grounded working with Sam,
and I hope that he feels the same way as well,
Like there's there's something that like whatever chaos is going
on around us, we can rely on each other and
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like we've never is I think something that feels really
rare about it is that when you're an actor, particularly men,
like it can be so like some people can be
so competitive and sort like it all becomes about them
and what they're doing, and like people literally talk about
like winning a scene, and like me and Sam have
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never worked together from a basis of competition, and I
think that that is like that's what feels so special
about it is that we've like we've built something together,
and then when we get back together again and like
start working, then we have the kind of like really
specific collaborative support system for each other. So like no
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matter how emotionally taxing or chaotic, something is like we
can look at each other on cut and either check
in on each other or just like laugh a lot
of times burst out laugh like what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That is something super heavy and emotionally you'll.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Just sometimes yeah, yeah, or it's just like there's the
tone of the show is so it's so mad, and
it's such a like tight rope that sometimes you have
like you have to commit to the moist bizarre things
and like and go big and like be playful and
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and yeah, it would be it would be strange if
we didn't find it funny sometimes as well. Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I imagine you two have a tremendous amount of trust
in each other, because how can you do these parts,
these roles, these scenes without trusting one another fully.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, it's all trust. It's all trust. And yeah, it's
like trust and love. It's just like you have to
like it's like having a best friend and a sibling
at the same time. But like you also are getting
to like say these beautiful words and play these amazing
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scenes and get paid to do it. Like yeah, yeah,
it's a dream.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's a special thing. I mean everyone can say their
co stars are like family, and.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
A lot of people say it, right, you know, like
I think, yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to shade anybody.
I guess I am indirectly shading other people, but I
feel like you do. Like people say it all the time.
They're like, yeah, well a family, we love each Other's
that black. You know, you can see a bit of
the like competitive energy. This is my moment to shine
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and this is all yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And to be able to genuinely call someone family and know, Like,
to me, that means if you called Sam and you
were in trouble, he'd be like, what do you need.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And it got yeah, go both ways.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yes, Like, yeah, it's a special thing. It's a really
special thing. I love watching you and your relationship over
the course of the seasons with with Louise's feelings towards
being a vampire, right, because there's a lot there that
he has to happened to and deal with it. Right,
So in this new season, how does that shake out?
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Like are you still struggling in the show with that?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, Like louis struggling more than he's ever struggled. Like
this is a it's hard because there's the bulk of
Louis story this season is like is very much under wraps,
and I think it's good that it is, because I
think it's like what would what we do with it?
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Is surprising? But yeah, I think he's I always thought about, like,
you know, when people find a thing they like, find
like a thing that's like and I think it's great
when somebody's like I've just started doing yoga or I've
just started to like I found this practice that like
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grounds me in some way, and I think that, like,
if you can find that and keep it consistent and
keep it like measured and regulated, that's amazing. But I
think that to some extent because the interview in the
show is like ten days. It's like ten or eleven days.
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It's almost like he's found all of these things out
by himself. He's comfortable with these conclusions, and he's almost
like deliriously decided, like I'm one now, I get it,
I found the thing, and almost like overdosed on hope.
And so yeah, I kind of always thought of him
as like he's almost like he's found a purpose, but actually,
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like some of the scaffolding underneath the purpose isn't really
all there, and he's maybe gone the wrong way about
sort of trying to put a neat bow around his story. Yeah,
and it gets really unhealthy. Yeah, there's some really uncomfortable
stuff this season.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, and that's oddly very human, right, Like so many
of us try to present that way when in reality
there's things bubbling under that doesn't look so perfect. But yeah,
we don't always want to address that or show that. Yeah,
and also like it I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I don't want to like put a dampener on on people,
like on like self improvement, but I think it's like
you do see it in life where it's like somebody
is like, I'm doing all these things to better myself.
I've like come to terms with myself, and but then
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don't do the work to like address how the other
version of themselves might have affected other people that they love.
Like some people, I'm like that person was trash, that
person was like creating a bad energy in your life
or whatever. But like you have to check in as
well on the people. It's great that you have found
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the thing that's good for you, but then you have
to also like look back at the people that might
have been hurt by the other, you know, by where
you were before. And that was like something with Louis
that I kind of this is early in the season,
but like he really hurt the stat right in the book,
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and that's like that's a he's actually what he as
I say, he's not an easy character to hurt. He is.
He's very but like, yeah, yeah, we're not neat. Human
beings are not neat, and therefore vampires are also definitely
not neat.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
No, no, No, there's so many great scenes between Louis
and the Star throughout this show. Is there one that
you just love so much from from the years?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean, like it feels like the obvious one. Do
you know there's one? There is one this season that
what I guess I could talk about another.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Point, which episodes we can look out for it?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Episode six? Okay, yeah, yeah, Actually a lot of episode
six is some of my favorite. Yeah, but episode eight
season two went basically I'm saying this stuff like everybody
knows exactly the episode of the like time signature. But
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there's the reunion between Louie and List that I just think.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is it feels really healthy for one, like the way
that they sort of they're like vulnerable with each other
in a way they haven't been up to that point.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But I think it was also like on a like
metateextual level, after a season of me and Sam not
really interacting that much, we'd have like one scene an
episode it was I felt like and there was like
a blizzard outside, like the weather was crazy. There were
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all sorts of crazy things happening around the scene. That
basically meant we had two goals each to do it.
That we had like two goals at coverage and we
were sat waiting to go in and do the scene,
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and we just like said to each other like we're
going to be fine and we can do this. We've
done this before. This is like it felt almost like,
you know, like like in a sports movie where there's
like I'm thinking specifically of like the karaoke it, and
it was like where somebody's like I'm ready sense it. Yeah,
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it felt like we both had that moment of like
we've prepared for this, this is what we've been doing
for three years. We have no time, but we can
make this work. Let's just like jump, trust each other
and will be good. And I feel like that's in
the scene as well, Like you can feel the trust
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that we were talking about. You feel it in the
show and in the characters. So that feels like particularly
special to me.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That scene, the two of you slow motion walking to
set to deliver the best performance of your.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Life, right yeah you?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was like yeah, right, yeah, that's amazing. Well, all
I know is I hope as the season unfolds, we
get to see Louis happy, like there's some genuine happiness
in his life. We haven't always gotten that would you
say there's more than maybe, I don't know, fifteen minutes
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of happiness for him this season?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, not more than fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Minutes are we talking? But man, how many.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I think you'd maybe get Like i'd feel safe to
say there's going to be like five overall minutes of
just like you know, pure unadulterated real contentment and happiness.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay overall, here's hoping for season four. We'll see if
we can get happiness character. Man, you know a lot
of people also loved and I believe it's different this season.
The narration you did for the past two, right, and
now you're not narrating this season for you? Is that
almost refreshing to not feel like audiences are inside your
character's head.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. And also just like for me in terms of
there was like fifteen hours of Louis talking, it's a lot. Yeah,
And we would do like you we do like a
d R for like ADR, like when you do when
you record post is like post sound and we do
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and a lot of a lot of the time rolling
the show run and Hannah will like rewrite bits, so
you're kind of like doing new stuff. It would take
like six seven weeks. Sometimes we'd be doing just in
the studio on voiceover, So it was quite nice to
have a bit of a bit of a break.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, there's been a lot of there's been a lot
of Louis.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Okay, So I've got some days off this season.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, that's magic, right, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well man, you need it with everything going on and
what will be coming on in this season. I'm sure
is Louis just as impulsive this season?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, yeah, okay. I think he's maybe found like, comparative
to early Louis, I think he's maybe found a bit
of balance in that, like a little bit he's maybe
slightly more calculated and thoughtful. But no, he's pretty he's
pretty impulsive. And there's one again, one aspect of this
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of this season. I can't I won't go into specifics,
but there's something really uncomfortable about seeing somebody being impulsive
slowly and like and then them noticing how impulsive they're
being and then doing it anyway, and then being like,
there's a line that I might be crossing here, do
I cross it? Yes? And then they cut you know,
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like seeing the kind of slow, methodical, like a series
of decisions, increasingly uncomfortable decisions that have to happen to
get to a certain conclusion, which is like impulsive in
its way, but then it moves. But yeah, oh my god,
I wish we were really dark.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
At once.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Right, it's like you make us wait every week.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Sorry, And I know it's boring as well when somebody's like,
I can't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't know, but you're giving us a little good
things to look for, which I appreciate it and I like
that and we look forward to that for sure. And
over the years you've mentioned how you're inspired, you pull
inspiration for your character from people like Earth the Kid, right,
and Grace Jones. This season, was there another name you
added to that list?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hmmm? Was there? I don't know if there was like
a specific person this time, because and then were also
there were loads of people for the first it was
like because James Baldwin as well as one I put in,
there was there somebody, No, not like not like a
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specific person, but I think Louis kind of I stole
a few like affectations from Sam. That was sort of
my way to like, because this is Louis. This is
this is Louis through Lestat's eyes. I thought it might
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be quite fun to hide like a few little Las
statisms in Louis this season.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's something I haven't said before. Yeah, that's really no,
he doesn't that.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So you clark some things that you were like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna use that of his.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, they're like some really subtle things. But I was like,
you have to throw a bit of list that into
it in the way. I think that Sam probably puts
some Louis into like the seasons one and two.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's really cool. I love hearing about Process. I think
it's so fun and interesting because you got bring these
characters to life in such a natural way, but so
much goes into it, which is always fascinating. And I mean,
you guys are literally and seen after scene together working
together in such an intermate capacity that it's really cool
to see how it goes from page to set to
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screen to how we perceive it. You know. I think
that's all really interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, it's a it's such a dense show that you
couldn't actually because I love I love Process. I loved
when I was a kid, I would just watch behind
the scenes, like I would just like scrape DVDs. I'll
just be watching all of the behind the scenes stuff
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and all of the making of stuff. So I really
enjoy like seeing people talking about how they work and
do it. And that was like that was my acting school,
that was at my film school. That's how I like
learned how to do this really. But with this show,
because it is the way that that it's written, you
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could play like ten to twenty different versions of the
scene and each one would be a little bit different. Yeah,
but we have to kind of like the way I've
always done it is you just do so much preparation
in the beginning, like before you start, before you go
on set, like you have to know these lines backwards
and forwards. And actually they are easy lines to learn
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because they're so well written and everything leads into the
next thing. But but yeah, you have to like overprepare
so that on the day you can just play right
and actually like it's I think it's less conscious and
like process driven on the day. It's more just like, Okay,
now we can just play with it. Let's try it
six different ways. Let's try and get six versions of
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the twenty versions that you could do and then figure
it out afterwards, and then and Rollin can figure it out,
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well that's also because you're prepared and you can do Yeah,
that's why the performances are so epic and incredible, which
is the truth for us.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And I said, I said, yeah, I wasn't agreed, Yes, yeah, yes,
you're right. Quite what do you think?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
What do you think would happen in an alternate universe
if Lustade and Louis met as humans.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Lesa and Louis met as humans? Isn't inting? I mean,
probably this is exactly the same things, because I think
that there are obviously things that like are informed by
the idea of living forever like that that's a lot
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of pressure to put on any relationship. But I think
I think they they do kind of have almost like
human life cycles as a couple, you know, like they're
together for this amount of time and then they just
have to be away from each other, and then they
get together for a period of time and then they
have to be away from each other, and it's like
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so I think maybe each time they meet again, it's
sort of a version of like a human relationship. Cycle,
like how so maybe it would just be the same
and they just it's just that some of the ways
they are with each other physically, you could only be
that way if you were vampires, you know, Yes, like
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you can't drop someone from I mean, how would they
even get up there? Not to make light of it,
but from the sky. I feel like it's been long
enough now, yeah, from the sky.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, it doesn't feel totally human. No, yeah, no, hopefully
somebody doesn't do that to their partner.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's let's let's hope that
that in a human context that would never happen. But no,
I think that they these vampires are very human. Yeah,
they're sort of like they have to kill to eat,
and they and drink blood and they do all these
superhuman things, these supernatural things. But like their souls are
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so human to the point that it hurts. And I
think that's like the interesting things. It's like, if you
were to actually force a human being to live with
themselves forever, that's a tough beat, that's yeah, so they
probably would sort of be the same and maybe slightly
(29:35):
less tortured because they'd be like life shot right right
this it would be nice to each other. Yea more.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully the torture level would come down a
few notches, one can hope.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Do you have a dream ending for Louis when the
season when the show eventually wraps, hopefully in years and
years and years, is there something that you're like, I
hope this happens for him?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, you do. Yeah, I'm not going to say it now. No, No,
because I like, I hope that it's a part at
least a part of if we if we get to
carry on. I hope it's a part of what we do.
And I've been like I've been specific about like certain
things like we have to please can we just do that?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So you show your opinions.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, And they are very like Running Jones and
Hannah Moskovic, who write the show, are very collaborative in
that way, like we we have like sit we sit
in with the writer's room or like we zoom or whatever,
and we like talk through things. They check things with
us in the part in like post Rollin invites us
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over to go and look at the edit, and we
like can play with our performances. Or he's like he
would never put anything in the show that we don't
that we're not happy with, so we like will send
us footage as we're going. It's very collaborative. It's like,
it's crazy how collaborative it is.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Another thing I love about you is you are brilliant
musical artists as well, and you release music and people
love your music. Two albums, right, so yeah, yeah, yeah and.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
One on the Way, One on the Way one mostly
mostly completed and just just I'm tinkering.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You're tinkering, Yeah, okay, the SERI maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think so all right, Yeah, there's something will be
out sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, well, we look forward to that. How does music
influence you as an artist, especially in this role.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think probably like the way I write songs is
very it's quite confessional, it's very personal. It's like it's
almost like my songs and are sort of like journal entries,
which it's quite Louis actually, you know, like he's very
he's like bearing your soul. But I think in a
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practical sense, I think the way that I do accents
and learn accents is musical. It's all like it's all melodic.
That's the that I kind of need to learn a
melody and then you repeat that melody again and again
and again and again and again and again until it's
just like wow, a part of your cadence. So I
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think that, Yeah, the way that I would approach an accent,
and definitely the way I approached like Louis accent various accents,
is that each one is a song. It's like a
so it has like a melodic structure, and all of
our accents do have melodic structures. So yeah, that's so
cool man.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, you you whip out a lot of accents in
this show, and that's no easy for you. So that's
that's pretty cool. You can put from something you love
in the music world and you know, apply that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I love that something much. I think it just helped.
It's just the thing that helped. I think because my
brain is like sorrow tune to to how notes fit together.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, we've talked a lot today about how intense this
role is and how much you put into it, and
you really do poor like blood, sweat, tears into it's
very obvious. How do you unwind or protect your piece
when you're not working and come down from all of that.
I know you said you're not method, but still it's
a lot that you give of yourself to the show
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for many months out of the year. So how do
you kind of protect your own peace in your state
of you know, mental health.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's a good question. My voice went really high then,
Like I think to some extent, I'm still trying to
figure that out. Like I'm a very busy minded person
and I'm very like I still have to be moving
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all the time, and I think that means that I
don't do a lot of like stopping touching the ground,
like trying to take stock of where I am, and
I could probably be better at that. And like I said,
I'm like, I don't have like a method process. But
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there is something about this show and how intense it is,
I think, how true it is too, like what we're
all experiencing. It kind of forces you to be a
little bit like it forces these ideas into your mind
and into your body and into so Season one is
(34:37):
just I'd have a bath. I would just sit in
the bath and try and think about nothing at all.
But also like I've got I've got two small children,
and they are like kids are very humbling, like they
humble you like you you are. It was I saying.
(35:04):
I said to my friend the other day, it was
like it was my daughter's birthday the other day, and
I was like, and she like just spat like some
like chewed up cake into my hand. And I was like, oh,
thank you. She's going to ask. She just went like
and I moved my hand and I spat into my hand.
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It's so demoralizing, but it keeps you humble, keeps you grounded.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
From the red carpets, getting kicks, spit in your hand
exactly the balance man.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, Yeah, kids are gross and brilliant, and I think
that's like it's it's a pretty good way to like, yeah,
remember that this is this is beautiful and like I'm
so grateful to have a job that I love to
get to like do the things that I love and
(35:58):
have always loved since I was a kid every day
of my life. That's amazing. But it's also not everything.
That's not all of what life has to offer.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a very healthy mentality, and
it's like we love what we do, but we're not
defined totally by it, And those are the people that
have longevity and we'll keep going and truly live a happy,
happy life. Whatever that means, right, be happy?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I could keep going, But to wrap this conversation up,
the name of the show is called I've never said
this before. I cover a lot of red carpets and
other jobs I work at, and you know, I would
just kind of start seeing people sometimes leave a two
minute interview on a carpet look a little empty, right,
It's like the same thing over and over that you
keep saying to every outlet, And honestly I felt that
(36:46):
way too. I'm like, you know, these aren't You don't
get to dive in and get to the core of
who someone is. So the show's basically and that question
is basically a chance for someone to come on and
say something that means something to them. It could be anything,
anything that you don't always get a chance to say.
Talk about that. You're like, you know what, I feel
like I want to say this today. So what is
something you've never said before?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Like I thought about this, I think I sort of
I thought of it more as like I took it
more as like a confession. That's fine too, because I'm
definitely an oversharer. I was like, I don't know if
there are many things I haven't said before and when,
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and in thinking about it, I remembered something from my
childhood that I was like, oh, that's interesting that that happened,
that that was like a part of your life. And
it was when I was maybe like from the age
of about five until I was really secondary school, like
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which is like eleven twelve, I basically lived like a
whole adult life in my brain Like Okay, this is
going to be really unhinged, and you're looking at me
like give it to me, Okay, no, I like, I
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basically my brain was very, very busy. It was very busy,
and I don't know, we don't have to go down this.
There was like stuff at home basically, like I used
to just sort of escape into this whole like adult world.
(38:35):
And it was really to bear in mind that I'm
like five years old, it was really mundane for a
five year old, Like I was obsessed with like working
at a desk. I really wanted to work in a
cubicle at a desk, and so I'd like go to work.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I don't think that's not unhinged, Okay, good, I think
it's perfectly normal. I think from not getting too into
the weeds of everything, I think maybe you were in
a situation that you wanted to mentally escape.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, definitely safe environment. And what feels more safe than
a cubicle and alls all around you? You know, it's
like a cave.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I like it. Yeah. And because I was thinking about as,
I was like, it wasn't like I had this sort
of like fantastical life. It was like it was like
what what I imagined adult life was, like what normal adult
life was. It was like you you you'd go to
work and you would sit and you'd like do work
(39:38):
on your computer or like you know, back in those days,
like one of those like I'm just getting real one
girl up, you know what I mean. They're like they're
like big phones with like little keyboards on them, yes,
palm pilot.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
It was that really mundane kind of stuff. And then
and then when I got older that like persona became
like a director and I would like and I would
make like I taught myself after do photoshop, and I
would like design these posters for like these imaginary films
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that I'd like that I had directed, that I had made.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
So you're always creative.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I was very I was like spent a lot of
time in my head as a kid in my imagination. Yea,
And yeah, I've never really said that before that, Like,
whenever I wasn't kind of directly interacting with somebody, I
was sort of like in another world. Yeah, I should
have just said the other thing, which was like, I
(40:52):
have a phobia of museum dioramas. That feels like a
slightly simpler thing. Even as I'm saying the other thing
out loud, I'm like, there's a lot to unpack here,
and was this the forum to unpack that? But yeah, no,
I have a phobia of of frogs and museum dioramas. Wow, Yeah,
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that's that's you know what.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I've never heard that song before. And I am going
to process that and think about that tonight a little
bit more, and I might have questions that i'll dm
you later.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Have you ever seen The Squid in the World, the
film The Squid in the World.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
In that there's there's a character that is like terrified
of the squid in the World at the Natural History Museum,
and I've never felt more seen in my life. Wow.
I was like, oh, maybe this is a thing yeah
with frogs, with frogs, but also Museum Diarmis. There's something
about like a fake horizon I find like I like disassociate.
(41:54):
I'm like, well, you know, I can't get too close
to my heart starts beating.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Oh my god. Yeah, that might might be some my
past life stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's when I get on a set, like inside this
is the thing for my job. I have to like
be around for side like fake things, and I have
to like touch everything. You know what, I'm giving you
a double confession.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I am here again. I have a lot of questions
that are going to come your way. Look in your
d MS later because we're going to unpack this.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
But maybe they're linked as well, you know, like my
like my imagination is too powerful right right, and so
I get like lost and I get lost in it.
Sometimes I'm like, what is real?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Well, I think, at the end of the day, what
is real? Are we real? Right here?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I don't because I'll go there.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Is this interview real? Is it happening now? Trying to
you out now, trying to trig you It is real? Okay, man,
thank you. This has all been super fun and interesting
and I love that and I love when people come
on and do share something unique in a piece of
when are you gonna say that on a red carpet? Like, hey,
I'm afraid of museum Diorama's Like, you're not gonna say it.
So that's why I love this show. You never know
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what moment you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I feel like I might get that now, but I
think post this.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Chat, people are gonna come up to you and just
show you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
How does this make you? And it's just like I
don't know, like what hoogs on the serengay, yeah, and
I'm like dying inside.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I know you might get some really interesting fan mail
coming up, but so cruel you imagine. Well. I love that,
my man, and I love your work. I love your artistry.
So many people are so excited. Season three is here.
Interview with the Vampire. Watch it weekly, right, A new
episode drops every week.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
On AMC and AMC plus. That's right, and we doing that.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Very well trained. I see that, Yes, good pr training,
and I can't wait to see where it all goes.
Thank you for hanging out, Thank.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
You, thank you, thank for having me. Also, I've been
listening to your show and this is such a lovely
thing that you do, and it's really positive and that's rare.
Thank you, I'm sorry, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Thank you. I've Never Said This Before is hosted by
Me Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew
Piglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing by
Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is part of
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we can get Jacob to say something that he has
never said before. Jacob Anderson, how are you, my man?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm good, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you for having me, Tommy, welcome to New York.
Thank you. I love this.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Say you love it?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I'm a walking I love New York T shirt.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Are you doing all the tourist things?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
No? Not this time. There's been like no time to
do that work work. Do you know what I did
do last night? We did like a day of press
junk kids, and I just walked over to the park
and I like first I kneeled and then I like
collapsed onto my stomach and then I just like buried
my face into the grass because you were just like,
(02:05):
yeah I was, And I was just like I dread
to think, what is like soaked into this grass? Yeah,
but it was just nice to I just have my
touch gross touch.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Gross, I know. And Central Park is magical, magical I'm
glad you did that. I'm glad you don't have like
zica or any other weird virus right now. I mean
hopefully not, because then I'm gonna get it. It's all right,
It's all right, Well, congratulations, See, we have a lot.
I just say, Zeka, I did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It was you had a good reason.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
To I did?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I did. Well.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We have a lot to celebrate today. We are so
excited that season three of the show is finally here,
and you are such a beloved part of that show.
I mean, when I tease that you were coming on,
I think, like my social media broke. I'm not even kidding.
People were so excited, which is always great to see,
and that just shows the work you're doing what it
(03:00):
means to people, right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
So yeah, you know that's lovely.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, and I guess to begin where do I want
to begin?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
First off, do you you do know you've probably seen
or you've heard that your character in the show is
referred to as the Helen of Troy of Vampires.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Right, I have seen that, right, right?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean that's kind of an epic compliment.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, yeah, of course, to be the Helen of
Troy of anything. Yeah, I mean preferably of Troy. You
don't want to be the Helen of Troy, right of Troy.
But no, it's it's good. That's it's really nice.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It is for everyone who's like, who is Helen of Troy?
Greek mythology, yes, semi god and was hailed as like
the most alluring and captivating, a beautiful person in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But she also like supposed maybe this is like like
quite misogynistic idea, but the myth around her was like
she lured sailors to their death like a siren, Like,
wasn't it. It was like the face Maybe that's not true.
It was the face that launched a thousand ships. It
was she was so beautiful that like she made men
(04:08):
go to war. I don't know as I'm saying, I'm like,
it feels a bit regressive.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, I guess the compliment in that is that you're
clearly making an impact on people and they think you're beautiful.
So own it. Stick with that, right, Let's own that.
Let's forget about the war and all of that. We
don't need to go there. Well, you obviously play Louis.
People love that character, So I guess what is the
easiest part for you when you're filming to like tap
(04:35):
into when you're playing him, And what's a more challenging
part for you?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you know what I love about Louis actually is
that Louis some of Louie's worst impulses are like things
that have in me, but I would never like i'd
never go there. Like I think he has this sort
of like there's a darkness that he it like wears
(05:03):
quite a lot. Was I don't really wear my I'm
like the opposite, like I kind of hold it in
and it all kind of comes out as like maybe
passive aggression, but actually it's just like I don't know,
maybe it's like an ADHD. Think maybe Loui's like he
has some form of ADHD maybe, but like yeah, I
think I think it feels he feels like a really
(05:26):
safe way to sort of like explore the darkness that
I have in me in a safe way. But also
like I think I can love him because I sort
of like understand that like that that you can sort
of go into these like patterns of thought or like
these these like I don't I don't really know where
(05:51):
I'm going with this, but I just like Louie's kind
of like in some ways he's like my shadow of side. Yeah,
so there's something kind of relieving I think about like
spending some time with him where I can just like
lean into it.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Right right, right, Yeah. It gives you permission almost, yeah,
which is really interesting. So are there any parts of
playing Louis that has changed you over time as a
person or changed how you view the world or view
yourself even?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think, well, I think I actually like to that point,
I think I have learned to be sort of like
more like to be kinder to myself, more forgiving of myself,
because I think the thing with Louis is he's so tortured,
like he's so tortured by like the way that he
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processes the world and the way he processes like how
he's been perceived for such a long time that I
think it just like it's becomes like a weight around him.
And I think, as I've like since starting to play Louis,
I do think I do that less. I think I
just like I can move on from things a lot easier.
(07:03):
I'm just I've own more confident now as well.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You know that's a pretty cool thing, right, Art can
give you that gift stepping into your confidence that's really
really cool. And the work you do on The show Man,
I mean there's some intense moments for your character, but
in that's some I mean many, many, many intense moments.
What for you when you think collectively at your body
(07:26):
of work, was like one of the hardest scenes for
you to film.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think, like I'm a dad, and I think, like
anything to do with Claudia, I can't, like there's something
in me that can't fully separate it from my own life,
like from my own relationship to my kids, and I
(07:52):
think having to go down those kind of like having
to reflect in that way, it's really it's tough. And
I'm not like I'm not methods, like I don't you know,
I don't feel like I need to like when it's cut,
(08:14):
like we're having fun, like I take my work seriously
but not myself, and then like you can kind of
compartmentalize those things a little bit. But I think there's
something that I always find really rough about kind of
the way that like the way that Lewis h has
(08:38):
like a sense of Claudia, like almost like a physical
tangible sense of her and her not being there and
quite a lot of the time as well when we shoot, like,
I'm away from my girls, so I'm like, you know, yeah,
like it me rough?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah yeah, so you really feel it being away from them,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Wow, wow, Well it helps the performance, huh.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. And what's so cool is, I know you and
Sam have talked about how much you love acting together
and working together, and you've now you know, season three
is here and you've done it for years. So how
has your relationship evolved in the different iterations of the
characters you guys have played of the same character, right,
because there's so many different sides to these guys. How
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has you and Sam's relationship changed over the years.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think kind of the like the lovely thing about
the way that me and some work together is that
whatever is thrown at us, like whatever kind of the
situation the characters are in, actually not that much has
ever changed, Like from season to season we kind of
have like I think there is like are as like
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a sort of home feeling that we have with each
other where it's like I feel very grounded working with Sam,
and I hope that he feels the same way as well,
Like there's there's something that like whatever chaos is going
on around us, we can rely on each other and
(10:19):
like we've never is I think something that feels really
rare about it is that when you're an actor, particularly men,
like it can be so like some people can be
so competitive and sort like it all becomes about them
and what they're doing, and like people literally talk about
like winning a scene, and like me and Sam have
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never worked together from a basis of competition, and I
think that that is like that's what feels so special
about it is that we've like we've built something together,
and then when we get back together again and like
start working, then we have the kind of like really
specific collaborative support system for each other. So like no
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matter how emotionally taxing or chaotic, something is like we
can look at each other on cut and either check
in on each other or just like laugh a lot
of times burst out laugh like what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That is something super heavy and emotionally you'll.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Just sometimes yeah, yeah, or it's just like there's the
tone of the show is so it's so mad, and
it's such a like tight rope that sometimes you have
like you have to commit to the moist bizarre things
and like and go big and like be playful and
(11:54):
and yeah, it would be it would be strange if
we didn't find it funny sometimes as well. Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I imagine you two have a tremendous amount of trust
in each other, because how can you do these parts,
these roles, these scenes without trusting one another fully.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, it's all trust. It's all trust. And yeah, it's
like trust and love. It's just like you have to
like it's like having a best friend and a sibling
at the same time. But like you also are getting
to like say these beautiful words and play these amazing
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scenes and get paid to do it. Like yeah, yeah,
it's a dream.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's a special thing. I mean everyone can say their
co stars are like family, and.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
A lot of people say it, right, you know, like
I think, yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to shade anybody.
I guess I am indirectly shading other people, but I
feel like you do. Like people say it all the time.
They're like, yeah, well a family, we love each Other's
that black. You know, you can see a bit of
the like competitive energy. This is my moment to shine
(13:10):
and this is all yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And to be able to genuinely call someone family and know, Like,
to me, that means if you called Sam and you
were in trouble, he'd be like, what do you need.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And it got yeah, go both ways.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yes, Like, yeah, it's a special thing. It's a really
special thing. I love watching you and your relationship over
the course of the seasons with with Louise's feelings towards
being a vampire, right, because there's a lot there that
he has to happened to and deal with it. Right,
So in this new season, how does that shake out?
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Like are you still struggling in the show with that?
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, Like louis struggling more than he's ever struggled. Like
this is a it's hard because there's the bulk of
Louis story this season is like is very much under wraps,
and I think it's good that it is, because I
think it's like what would what we do with it?
(14:08):
Is surprising? But yeah, I think he's I always thought about, like,
you know, when people find a thing they like, find
like a thing that's like and I think it's great
when somebody's like I've just started doing yoga or I've
just started to like I found this practice that like
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grounds me in some way, and I think that, like,
if you can find that and keep it consistent and
keep it like measured and regulated, that's amazing. But I
think that to some extent because the interview in the
show is like ten days. It's like ten or eleven days.
(14:50):
It's almost like he's found all of these things out
by himself. He's comfortable with these conclusions, and he's almost
like deliriously decided, like I'm one now, I get it,
I found the thing, and almost like overdosed on hope.
And so yeah, I kind of always thought of him
as like he's almost like he's found a purpose, but actually,
(15:14):
like some of the scaffolding underneath the purpose isn't really
all there, and he's maybe gone the wrong way about
sort of trying to put a neat bow around his story. Yeah,
and it gets really unhealthy. Yeah, there's some really uncomfortable
stuff this season.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, and that's oddly very human, right, Like so many
of us try to present that way when in reality
there's things bubbling under that doesn't look so perfect. But yeah,
we don't always want to address that or show that. Yeah,
and also like it I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I don't want to like put a dampener on on people,
like on like self improvement, but I think it's like
you do see it in life where it's like somebody
is like, I'm doing all these things to better myself.
I've like come to terms with myself, and but then
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don't do the work to like address how the other
version of themselves might have affected other people that they love.
Like some people, I'm like that person was trash, that
person was like creating a bad energy in your life
or whatever. But like you have to check in as
well on the people. It's great that you have found
(16:37):
the thing that's good for you, but then you have
to also like look back at the people that might
have been hurt by the other, you know, by where
you were before. And that was like something with Louis
that I kind of this is early in the season,
but like he really hurt the stat right in the book,
(16:57):
and that's like that's a he's actually what he as
I say, he's not an easy character to hurt. He is.
He's very but like, yeah, yeah, we're not neat. Human
beings are not neat, and therefore vampires are also definitely
not neat.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
No, no, No, there's so many great scenes between Louis
and the Star throughout this show. Is there one that
you just love so much from from the years?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean, like it feels like the obvious one. Do
you know there's one? There is one this season that
what I guess I could talk about another.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Point, which episodes we can look out for it?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Episode six? Okay, yeah, yeah, Actually a lot of episode
six is some of my favorite. Yeah, but episode eight
season two went basically I'm saying this stuff like everybody
knows exactly the episode of the like time signature. But
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there's the reunion between Louie and List that I just think.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is it feels really healthy for one, like the way
that they sort of they're like vulnerable with each other
in a way they haven't been up to that point.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
But I think it was also like on a like
metateextual level, after a season of me and Sam not
really interacting that much, we'd have like one scene an
episode it was I felt like and there was like
a blizzard outside, like the weather was crazy. There were
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all sorts of crazy things happening around the scene. That
basically meant we had two goals each to do it.
That we had like two goals at coverage and we
were sat waiting to go in and do the scene,
(19:01):
and we just like said to each other like we're
going to be fine and we can do this. We've
done this before. This is like it felt almost like,
you know, like like in a sports movie where there's
like I'm thinking specifically of like the karaoke it, and
it was like where somebody's like I'm ready sense it. Yeah,
(19:23):
it felt like we both had that moment of like
we've prepared for this, this is what we've been doing
for three years. We have no time, but we can
make this work. Let's just like jump, trust each other
and will be good. And I feel like that's in
the scene as well, Like you can feel the trust
(19:44):
that we were talking about. You feel it in the
show and in the characters. So that feels like particularly
special to me.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That scene, the two of you slow motion walking to
set to deliver the best performance of your.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Life, right yeah you?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was like yeah, right, yeah, that's amazing. Well, all
I know is I hope as the season unfolds, we
get to see Louis happy, like there's some genuine happiness
in his life. We haven't always gotten that would you
say there's more than maybe, I don't know, fifteen minutes
(20:21):
of happiness for him this season?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, not more than fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Minutes are we talking? But man, how many.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I think you'd maybe get Like i'd feel safe to
say there's going to be like five overall minutes of
just like you know, pure unadulterated real contentment and happiness.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Okay overall, here's hoping for season four. We'll see if
we can get happiness character. Man, you know a lot
of people also loved and I believe it's different this season.
The narration you did for the past two, right, and
now you're not narrating this season for you? Is that
almost refreshing to not feel like audiences are inside your
character's head.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. And also just like for me in terms of
there was like fifteen hours of Louis talking, it's a lot. Yeah,
And we would do like you we do like a
d R for like ADR, like when you do when
you record post is like post sound and we do
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and a lot of a lot of the time rolling
the show run and Hannah will like rewrite bits, so
you're kind of like doing new stuff. It would take
like six seven weeks. Sometimes we'd be doing just in
the studio on voiceover, So it was quite nice to
have a bit of a bit of a break.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, there's been a lot of there's been a lot
of Louis.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Okay, So I've got some days off this season.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, that's magic, right, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Well man, you need it with everything going on and
what will be coming on in this season. I'm sure
is Louis just as impulsive this season?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yes, yeah, okay. I think he's maybe found like, comparative
to early Louis, I think he's maybe found a bit
of balance in that, like a little bit he's maybe
slightly more calculated and thoughtful. But no, he's pretty he's
pretty impulsive. And there's one again, one aspect of this
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of this season. I can't I won't go into specifics,
but there's something really uncomfortable about seeing somebody being impulsive
slowly and like and then them noticing how impulsive they're
being and then doing it anyway, and then being like,
there's a line that I might be crossing here, do
I cross it? Yes? And then they cut you know,
(22:52):
like seeing the kind of slow, methodical, like a series
of decisions, increasingly uncomfortable decisions that have to happen to
get to a certain conclusion, which is like impulsive in
its way, but then it moves. But yeah, oh my god,
I wish we were really dark.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
At once.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Right, it's like you make us wait every week.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Sorry, And I know it's boring as well when somebody's like,
I can't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't know, but you're giving us a little good
things to look for, which I appreciate it and I like
that and we look forward to that for sure. And
over the years you've mentioned how you're inspired, you pull
inspiration for your character from people like Earth the Kid, right,
and Grace Jones. This season, was there another name you
added to that list?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Hmmm? Was there? I don't know if there was like
a specific person this time, because and then were also
there were loads of people for the first it was
like because James Baldwin as well as one I put in,
there was there somebody, No, not like not like a
(24:02):
specific person, but I think Louis kind of I stole
a few like affectations from Sam. That was sort of
my way to like, because this is Louis. This is
this is Louis through Lestat's eyes. I thought it might
(24:24):
be quite fun to hide like a few little Las
statisms in Louis this season.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's something I haven't said before. Yeah, that's really no,
he doesn't that.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So you clark some things that you were like, I'm
gonna I'm gonna use that of his.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, they're like some really subtle things. But I was like,
you have to throw a bit of list that into
it in the way. I think that Sam probably puts
some Louis into like the seasons one and two.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's really cool. I love hearing about Process. I think
it's so fun and interesting because you got bring these
characters to life in such a natural way, but so
much goes into it, which is always fascinating. And I mean,
you guys are literally and seen after scene together working
together in such an intermate capacity that it's really cool
to see how it goes from page to set to
(25:18):
screen to how we perceive it. You know. I think
that's all really interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Well, it's a it's such a dense show that you
couldn't actually because I love I love Process. I loved
when I was a kid, I would just watch behind
the scenes, like I would just like scrape DVDs. I'll
just be watching all of the behind the scenes stuff
(25:43):
and all of the making of stuff. So I really
enjoy like seeing people talking about how they work and
do it. And that was like that was my acting school,
that was at my film school. That's how I like
learned how to do this really. But with this show,
because it is the way that that it's written, you
(26:04):
could play like ten to twenty different versions of the
scene and each one would be a little bit different. Yeah,
but we have to kind of like the way I've
always done it is you just do so much preparation
in the beginning, like before you start, before you go
on set, like you have to know these lines backwards
and forwards. And actually they are easy lines to learn
(26:26):
because they're so well written and everything leads into the
next thing. But but yeah, you have to like overprepare
so that on the day you can just play right
and actually like it's I think it's less conscious and
like process driven on the day. It's more just like, Okay,
now we can just play with it. Let's try it
six different ways. Let's try and get six versions of
(26:48):
the twenty versions that you could do and then figure
it out afterwards, and then and Rollin can figure it out,
and yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well that's also because you're prepared and you can do Yeah,
that's why the performances are so epic and incredible, which
is the truth for us.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
And I said, I said, yeah, I wasn't agreed, Yes, yeah, yes,
you're right. Quite what do you think?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
What do you think would happen in an alternate universe
if Lustade and Louis met as humans.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Lesa and Louis met as humans? Isn't inting? I mean,
probably this is exactly the same things, because I think
that there are obviously things that like are informed by
the idea of living forever like that that's a lot
(27:44):
of pressure to put on any relationship. But I think
I think they they do kind of have almost like
human life cycles as a couple, you know, like they're
together for this amount of time and then they just
have to be away from each other, and then they
get together for a period of time and then they
have to be away from each other, and it's like
(28:06):
so I think maybe each time they meet again, it's
sort of a version of like a human relationship. Cycle,
like how so maybe it would just be the same
and they just it's just that some of the ways
they are with each other physically, you could only be
that way if you were vampires, you know, Yes, like
(28:32):
you can't drop someone from I mean, how would they
even get up there? Not to make light of it,
but from the sky. I feel like it's been long
enough now, yeah, from the sky.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, it doesn't feel totally human. No, yeah, no, hopefully
somebody doesn't do that to their partner.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's let's let's hope that
that in a human context that would never happen. But no,
I think that they these vampires are very human. Yeah,
they're sort of like they have to kill to eat,
and they and drink blood and they do all these
superhuman things, these supernatural things. But like their souls are
(29:12):
so human to the point that it hurts. And I
think that's like the interesting things. It's like, if you
were to actually force a human being to live with
themselves forever, that's a tough beat, that's yeah, so they
probably would sort of be the same and maybe slightly
(29:35):
less tortured because they'd be like life shot right right
this it would be nice to each other. Yea more.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, yeah, hopefully the torture level would come down a
few notches, one can hope.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Do you have a dream ending for Louis when the
season when the show eventually wraps, hopefully in years and
years and years, is there something that you're like, I
hope this happens for him?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, you do. Yeah, I'm not going to say it now. No, No,
because I like, I hope that it's a part at
least a part of if we if we get to
carry on. I hope it's a part of what we do.
And I've been like I've been specific about like certain
things like we have to please can we just do that?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So you show your opinions.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, And they are very like Running Jones and
Hannah Moskovic, who write the show, are very collaborative in
that way, like we we have like sit we sit
in with the writer's room or like we zoom or whatever,
and we like talk through things. They check things with
us in the part in like post Rollin invites us
(30:37):
over to go and look at the edit, and we
like can play with our performances. Or he's like he
would never put anything in the show that we don't
that we're not happy with, so we like will send
us footage as we're going. It's very collaborative. It's like,
it's crazy how collaborative it is.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Another thing I love about you is you are brilliant
musical artists as well, and you release music and people
love your music. Two albums, right, so yeah, yeah, yeah and.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
One on the Way, One on the Way one mostly
mostly completed and just just I'm tinkering.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You're tinkering, Yeah, okay, the SERI maybe.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think so all right, Yeah, there's something will be
out sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay, well, we look forward to that. How does music
influence you as an artist, especially in this role.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think probably like the way I write songs is
very it's quite confessional, it's very personal. It's like it's
almost like my songs and are sort of like journal entries,
which it's quite Louis actually, you know, like he's very
he's like bearing your soul. But I think in a
(31:58):
practical sense, I think the way that I do accents
and learn accents is musical. It's all like it's all melodic.
That's the that I kind of need to learn a
melody and then you repeat that melody again and again
and again and again and again and again until it's
just like wow, a part of your cadence. So I
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think that, Yeah, the way that I would approach an accent,
and definitely the way I approached like Louis accent various accents,
is that each one is a song. It's like a
so it has like a melodic structure, and all of
our accents do have melodic structures. So yeah, that's so
cool man.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, you you whip out a lot of accents in
this show, and that's no easy for you. So that's
that's pretty cool. You can put from something you love
in the music world and you know, apply that.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I love that something much. I think it just helped.
It's just the thing that helped. I think because my
brain is like sorrow tune to to how notes fit together.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well, we've talked a lot today about how intense this
role is and how much you put into it, and
you really do poor like blood, sweat, tears into it's
very obvious. How do you unwind or protect your piece
when you're not working and come down from all of that.
I know you said you're not method, but still it's
a lot that you give of yourself to the show
(33:28):
for many months out of the year. So how do
you kind of protect your own peace in your state
of you know, mental health.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's a good question. My voice went really high then,
Like I think to some extent, I'm still trying to
figure that out. Like I'm a very busy minded person
and I'm very like I still have to be moving
(33:56):
all the time, and I think that means that I
don't do a lot of like stopping touching the ground,
like trying to take stock of where I am, and
I could probably be better at that. And like I said,
I'm like, I don't have like a method process. But
(34:16):
there is something about this show and how intense it is,
I think, how true it is too, like what we're
all experiencing. It kind of forces you to be a
little bit like it forces these ideas into your mind
and into your body and into so Season one is
(34:37):
just I'd have a bath. I would just sit in
the bath and try and think about nothing at all.
But also like I've got I've got two small children,
and they are like kids are very humbling, like they
humble you like you you are. It was I saying.
(35:04):
I said to my friend the other day, it was
like it was my daughter's birthday the other day, and
I was like, and she like just spat like some
like chewed up cake into my hand. And I was like, oh,
thank you. She's going to ask. She just went like
and I moved my hand and I spat into my hand.
(35:26):
It's so demoralizing, but it keeps you humble, keeps you grounded.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
From the red carpets, getting kicks, spit in your hand
exactly the balance man.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, Yeah, kids are gross and brilliant, and I think
that's like it's it's a pretty good way to like, yeah,
remember that this is this is beautiful and like I'm
so grateful to have a job that I love to
get to like do the things that I love and
(35:58):
have always loved since I was a kid every day
of my life. That's amazing. But it's also not everything.
That's not all of what life has to offer.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a very healthy mentality, and
it's like we love what we do, but we're not
defined totally by it, And those are the people that
have longevity and we'll keep going and truly live a happy,
happy life. Whatever that means, right, be happy?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Man.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I could keep going, But to wrap this conversation up,
the name of the show is called I've never said
this before. I cover a lot of red carpets and
other jobs I work at, and you know, I would
just kind of start seeing people sometimes leave a two
minute interview on a carpet look a little empty, right,
It's like the same thing over and over that you
keep saying to every outlet, And honestly I felt that
(36:46):
way too. I'm like, you know, these aren't You don't
get to dive in and get to the core of
who someone is. So the show's basically and that question
is basically a chance for someone to come on and
say something that means something to them. It could be anything,
anything that you don't always get a chance to say.
Talk about that. You're like, you know what, I feel
like I want to say this today. So what is
something you've never said before?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Like I thought about this, I think I sort of
I thought of it more as like I took it
more as like a confession. That's fine too, because I'm
definitely an oversharer. I was like, I don't know if
there are many things I haven't said before and when,
(37:30):
and in thinking about it, I remembered something from my
childhood that I was like, oh, that's interesting that that happened,
that that was like a part of your life. And
it was when I was maybe like from the age
of about five until I was really secondary school, like
(37:53):
which is like eleven twelve, I basically lived like a
whole adult life in my brain Like Okay, this is
going to be really unhinged, and you're looking at me
like give it to me, Okay, no, I like, I
(38:13):
basically my brain was very, very busy. It was very busy,
and I don't know, we don't have to go down this.
There was like stuff at home basically, like I used
to just sort of escape into this whole like adult world.
(38:35):
And it was really to bear in mind that I'm
like five years old, it was really mundane for a
five year old, Like I was obsessed with like working
at a desk. I really wanted to work in a
cubicle at a desk, and so I'd like go to work.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I don't think that's not unhinged, Okay, good, I think
it's perfectly normal. I think from not getting too into
the weeds of everything, I think maybe you were in
a situation that you wanted to mentally escape.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, definitely safe environment. And what feels more safe than
a cubicle and alls all around you? You know, it's
like a cave.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I like it. Yeah. And because I was thinking about as,
I was like, it wasn't like I had this sort
of like fantastical life. It was like it was like
what what I imagined adult life was, like what normal adult
life was. It was like you you you'd go to
work and you would sit and you'd like do work
(39:38):
on your computer or like you know, back in those days,
like one of those like I'm just getting real one
girl up, you know what I mean. They're like they're
like big phones with like little keyboards on them, yes,
palm pilot.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
It was that really mundane kind of stuff. And then
and then when I got older that like persona became
like a director and I would like and I would
make like I taught myself after do photoshop, and I
would like design these posters for like these imaginary films
(40:21):
that I'd like that I had directed, that I had made.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
So you're always creative.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I was very I was like spent a lot of
time in my head as a kid in my imagination. Yea,
And yeah, I've never really said that before that, Like,
whenever I wasn't kind of directly interacting with somebody, I
was sort of like in another world. Yeah, I should
have just said the other thing, which was like, I
(40:52):
have a phobia of museum dioramas. That feels like a
slightly simpler thing. Even as I'm saying the other thing
out loud, I'm like, there's a lot to unpack here,
and was this the forum to unpack that? But yeah, no,
I have a phobia of of frogs and museum dioramas. Wow, Yeah,
(41:13):
that's that's you know what.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I've never heard that song before. And I am going
to process that and think about that tonight a little
bit more, and I might have questions that i'll dm
you later.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Have you ever seen The Squid in the World, the
film The Squid in the World.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
In that there's there's a character that is like terrified
of the squid in the World at the Natural History Museum,
and I've never felt more seen in my life. Wow.
I was like, oh, maybe this is a thing yeah
with frogs, with frogs, but also Museum Diarmis. There's something
about like a fake horizon I find like I like disassociate.
(41:54):
I'm like, well, you know, I can't get too close
to my heart starts beating.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Oh my god. Yeah, that might might be some my
past life stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's when I get on a set, like inside this
is the thing for my job. I have to like
be around for side like fake things, and I have
to like touch everything. You know what, I'm giving you
a double confession.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I am here again. I have a lot of questions
that are going to come your way. Look in your
d MS later because we're going to unpack this.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
But maybe they're linked as well, you know, like my
like my imagination is too powerful right right, and so
I get like lost and I get lost in it.
Sometimes I'm like, what is real?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Well, I think, at the end of the day, what
is real? Are we real? Right here?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I don't because I'll go there.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Is this interview real? Is it happening now? Trying to
you out now, trying to trig you It is real? Okay, man,
thank you. This has all been super fun and interesting
and I love that and I love when people come
on and do share something unique in a piece of
when are you gonna say that on a red carpet? Like, hey,
I'm afraid of museum Diorama's Like, you're not gonna say it.
So that's why I love this show. You never know
(43:09):
what moment you're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
I feel like I might get that now, but I
think post this.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Chat, people are gonna come up to you and just
show you, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
How does this make you? And it's just like I
don't know, like what hoogs on the serengay, yeah, and
I'm like dying inside.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I know you might get some really interesting fan mail
coming up, but so cruel you imagine. Well. I love that,
my man, and I love your work. I love your artistry.
So many people are so excited. Season three is here.
Interview with the Vampire. Watch it weekly, right, A new
episode drops every week.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
On AMC and AMC plus. That's right, and we doing that.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Very well trained. I see that, Yes, good pr training,
and I can't wait to see where it all goes.
Thank you for hanging out, Thank.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
You, thank you, thank for having me. Also, I've been
listening to your show and this is such a lovely
thing that you do, and it's really positive and that's rare.
Thank you, I'm sorry, thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Thank you. I've Never Said This Before is hosted by
Me Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew
Piglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing by
Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is part of
the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. For more,
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