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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Q Kaine.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to talk about the new Autistic Barbie, a
sting ray that stabbed a mand in the stomach, a
kidnap girl who was eaten alive by alliators, a person
who did cocaine then ingested a bunch of weird stuff
causing a hole in his esophagus. And we'll talk about
(00:41):
Ellice in Wonderland syndrome. All that and more on today's episode.
Autistic Barbie. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I've I think it's cool representation, but I was seeing
like really mixed reviews online about it. So they posted
the relief of this Barbie as part of this collection
they're doing where they also I think we reported when
they release the Down Syndrome Barbie. Right, Yeah, So they
have the Down Syndrome Barbie. They have one that's blind,
(01:12):
one's a bit a lego, prosthetic leg hearing aids, et cetera.
So they worked with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network to
develop this doll, and it's part of this line of
inclusive dolls to try to represent kids with disabilities and
other things going on. But I've been seeing some people
online that say I have autism and this is offensive,
(01:34):
and then some people saying this is really awesome to
be included. So I don't know, Like I don't know
what to think because like I personally am not affected
by this, so I don't really think I have a
right to talk about it if that's if that's the
angle I want to go at. I think it's cool
that Mattel wants to do this, but if people are
getting offended by it, then I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I just think that with autism there's such a spectrum
of things to just and I understand it with more
with Down syndrome or the type one diabetes, even with
the pump and venallego. These are things that you could
(02:17):
see with your eyes. Is autism? Autism to me isn't
really necessarily like a thing that you could just make
accessories to make it look like relatable. I mean, the
weird some of the stuff that just was weird to
me was like, oh, the elbows in the hands bend, well,
guess what, Like every.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Single dolsh should have that right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's like saying that they they want to be able
to lean back and they want to be able to
flail the arms or something like. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I just thought that that was kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The flat shoes again, like, what does that have to
do with anything like every that's that's like lots of
people want to have comfortable shoes. They were saying about
the clothes, the headphones, the eye contact another weird thing.
I'm just like, it's a freakin' doll. They don't have
eye contact. Like it's just like all of it. I understand,
(03:12):
I guess like the theory, but I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's how I feel. I understand the theory, but I
think we've seen mixed reactions coming out about all these
various types of dolls, and then some other criticisms they
have gotten in the past when they released like dolls
with thicker bodies and stuff, is like, oh cool, So
now my doll can't wear all the other Barbie clothes.
They can only wear the clothes developed for this one
(03:38):
and this one showing like this autistic Barbie they've just
released is featuring a fidget spinner, noise canceling headphones, this
tablet that some autistic people use to try to communicate better.
They noted that they tried to do a more loose
fitting outfit because a lot of autistic people don't like
tight clothing, but then there are some that like type clothing.
(04:01):
So I guess by working with this group, they kind
of covered their ass and developing this dull not saying like, oh,
we made all these assumptions. We actually worked with this
group that gave us all these tips to form the
best representation possible. But if you have people that actually
have autism saying that this is offensive and or not necessary,
(04:21):
I think you should take the feedback into consideration as well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are there like lots of autistic people sitting around saying like, oh,
I never felt like I could relate to Barbie. It's
just I don't know, it's just like so extra and
it's it's a I was thinking about that too, because
I'm just like, I understand that there's definitely girls that
have autism, but I feel like it's so much. It's
(04:47):
it's like less than one percent of the female population,
as with boys, it's significantly higher, up to five percent
of the population. Right, So it's not to say that
that it's not a problem for parents that are dealing
with it, that have female children as well. I just
I don't know that it was I mean whatever, Like
(05:10):
like I said, people are offended by it. It's it's
just kind of like defeating the purpose. And also I
just feel like this way in general, that sometimes when
you're trying to include everyone, you're actually making them stand
out worse. Like if if these people just want to
(05:31):
feel like everyone else, then then stop like pointing out
that they're different, right, just like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, it's it's just a weird thing. And I think
what I'm taking away with it is that since people
are seemingly on social media, I mean, of course, of
course in the press releases, in the articles, they're not
pointing this out. But when you actually look at the
public's reaction online, it doesn't really seem like it's the
most overwhelmingly positive from the people in the actual community
they're saying they're representing.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's just like if you consider one percent of females
having autism, it's just like it, okay, so that would
be like people with saliac are probably even same or more.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I mean, like, are they you make a gluten free doll?
Because how about epilepsy? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And what does a gluten free person look like? Like
they're they're carrying around like cardboard bread, you know what
I mean, Like it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I agree with you that the physical representations like vide lego,
the prosthetic leg those are super cool to see because
those aren't ever featured on dolls. But yes, the more
like non obvious ones like this, and I know they
threw the accessories on the doll and said that's what
it was. But the same with like gluten free epilepsy,
(06:54):
things that like you don't see that people have. And
there's also thousands and thousands and thousands of kindition people have,
so like where are they handpicking the ones they're choosing?
I don't know, I don't know. All Right, In New Zealand,
this guy was doing a surf life saving training event
when suddenly a stingray stabbed him in his abdomen, just
barely missing his organs. So this reminds me of Steve Irwin, right, Yeah,
(07:20):
that's how he died. He got stabbed with a stingray BARB.
So this particular guy, he said that he got stabbed
in the abdomen, but I don't think it punctured him
all the way, because it seems like he got stabbed
and then he kind of went home and it was
starting to sting really bad. Isn't that how you read it?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Like? It didn't seem like because once it perforates through
your your skin and your abdominal wall, then you're then
you're at risk for serious issues including obviously just opening
the abdomen that is a sterile cavity can get become infectious.
You can introduce gross ocean bacteria into there, but also
(08:05):
the barb itself could stab your a order one of
your vital organs and kill you too, or just perforate
maybe your stomach and cause it to leak everywhere, and
also can set you up for a ton of problems.
So it seems like it it kind of like pierced
his skin a little bit but didn't go all the
(08:26):
way in.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And it seems like this was a pure freak accident.
He said, I jumped in murky water, landed on it,
it got a fright, and in pure self defense, in
its natural habitat, it flicked up its barb. So I
don't think he was like doing anything disrespectful to it
on purpose or anything. I think this just is just
a weird like he jumped on it by accident, he
got stung, and then yeah, I read it the same
(08:49):
way where it took a while, like forty five minutes
to start feeling a burn, and then later on in
the day it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So what happens is that the barb on the barb
on the sting ray is essentially like a serrated knife,
and when you when it hits or stings somebody with it,
these little tiny spines come off of it when it
pulls the towiel out, and those spines have the venom
(09:16):
in it, which can be locally actually can cause necrosis
or could cause the skin around it to die. So
that would explain the very weird feeling he started getting
surrounding where it hit him, and that could be a
huge problem for someone if they had a serious puncture.
(09:36):
But I'm thinking that it kind of just tapped them
and pulled out and didn't really cause that much of
a problem. Another thing to consider too, is that if
you're ever in that situation and you do get stabbed significantly,
you'll start bleeding in the water, which can then cause
other animals like sharks to be attracted to that. I
(09:59):
know that that was one of the concerns when Steve Irwin,
because I mean, he got punctured in his chest and
it stabbed him multiple times, and it killed him pretty quickly,
and there was a significant amount of blood around his body,
and that's why they were so concerned about getting him
out of the water quick.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I can't believe that was in two thousand and six
when he died. It didn't seem that was twenty years
sixty years ago. He died and then so random, but
his son just won Dancing with the Stars. It's just
it was so random that he even got cast in
and then he won the whole thing. Yeah, but yeah,
he was young, forty four years old. But I mean
(10:38):
at the time that happened, I was like, what, eleven
years old. I would have thought he was seventy five whatever.
So he's younger than you, So you're basically seventy five,
all right. This next case is old, but it's in
the news because it's still in court. It's absolutely crazy.
So in nineteen ninety eight, this man befriended a woman
(10:59):
through a friend at church and offered to drive her
home from work one day, so they get back to
her house and he ends up attacking her. She later
wakes up from being unconscious in the back seat of
his car, and it turns out that he picked up
her five year old daughter from a family friend she
was staying with at the time. So they start driving
(11:20):
and they try to get out of the car, unsuccessfully,
he gets them back in they get back on track.
He pulls over later and beats the shit out of
the mom and abandons her on the side of the road,
thinking he's leaving her for dead. So she comes to
later from the second attack and ends up getting help,
and then after the police get involved, they find out
(11:43):
that this guy dropped the five year old off in
this area called Alligator Alley, and three days after she
was dropped off there, fisherman found her body and she
had in fact been attacked by an alligator and killed.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, the medical examiner said that the injuries on her body,
so I guess her official cause of death was due
to blunt trauma and oftentimes I mean obviously he threw
her out of the side of the car on Interstate
seventy five, so I mean probably a fast rate of speed.
(12:19):
There were scrapes on her body that indicated that she
went vigorously across the sidewalk, but when she land or
a street as fault. When she landed, though, she was
still alive, and the medical examiner said that an alligator
had bitten off her arm after her body was already dead.
(12:39):
But there were wounds on her torso and her head
which indicate that she was still alive, so there was
indication that her heart was still beating when those injuries happened. Now,
she was probably unconscious because of getting thrown out of
the car, but technically, I mean, just think about that,
like you're in an area called alligator. You throw her
(13:00):
to the side of the road and they already smell
blood on her and come right out and just grab
her and pull her in and start eating her like
aid her arm.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
This is one of the most vile stories I feel
like we've covered on here, and it gets even worse
because in two thousand and seven, he was found guilty
of first sugary murder for the child, attempted murder of
the mom, and two counts of kidnapping. So initially the
jury voted eleven to one to sentence him to death,
but then that decision was overturned with a new law
(13:31):
in twenty seventeen ruling it unconstitutional for a death sentence
to be imposed without a unanimous jury verdict. And then
in twenty twenty three a new law said no, a
jury can impose the death penalty with an eight to
four vote, so as we know, in his case, he
had an eleven to one. So now he is eligible
I guess again for the death penalty. And that's why
(13:53):
this story is circulating again because he's in court. I
guess seeing if they get uphold it. This guy's seventy
six years old. I don't think the death penalty is enough.
I think we should let him get eaten by an alligator.
See how it fucking feels like? This is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I like, I used to be a big death penalty person,
and I feel like I feel like I'm changing because
of especially because of the Brian Coberger case. For example,
he's getting tortured in prison so bad, because life kind
of works itself out right, Like all of the people
(14:28):
in prison know what your crimes are, and certain ones
like don't get the people don't get tortured as much
as others. And I think about that with Brian Coberger,
Like he's been vocal about saying that he wants to
sell moved, and he's getting tortured and he can't sleep
at night and all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It kind of gives me satisfaction to know that that
guy is going to be doing that for the next
fifty or sixty years of his life.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I mean, it's just so much easier to just die. No, definitely,
But I think I don't think we should apply eye
for an eye theory to every single crime that occurs.
But I think ones like this, like let him get
eaten by alligators and see how it feels.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Does he have have like a like schizophrenia or something?
Was there anything talked about like him having some kind
of a psychotic break for doing something like that, because
he seemed she met him at church and he seemed
like a nice enough guy to have come over. Like
what caused him to snap like that? Because I feel
(15:32):
like it seemed like a snap.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
He didn't quite snap. He had a pretty extensive criminal history.
Of course they found out after. So first I want
to say he said he did that with the child
because he was angry at her mother and didn't want
her telling anybody what he did. And I think he
expected the woman to die, but she didn't, so that
kind of exposed the entire thing. But yeah, it said
(15:56):
he had a link.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Do you imagine surviving that and then finding out how
your kid died?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, And this is why I'm like the death penalty
and being in prison is just not enough for a
person like this. So he had a lengthy criminal history
dating back to nineteen eighty four, including convictions for attempted burder, burglary, robbery,
and kidnapping, so he clearly had been up to the
Shenanigans before. And then I've read something on the article
(16:20):
that she had befriended him and he seemed fine, and
he made like a pass at her and she threatened
him with a knife, but he was so apologetic about
it that she thought it was just a misunderstanding. And
then after that is when this all went down. So
it is disgusting. This guy deserves I mean, he's been
(16:41):
in jail for almost twenty years for this, but like,
I just don't think it's enough in certain pieces. This
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So this guy in his early twenties went to the
er after using coke and then they find out he
consumed multiple foreign bodies, including an ashtray containing cigarette butts
and ashes, a climbing carib, two keys, a keychain, a toothpick,
and a coin. These X rays are crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So like we were talking about my strange addiction last
week and how people with a condition called pika are
eating things that have no non nutritional value, which obviously
all of these things would be an example of that. This, however,
is a little bit of a different situation because this
(18:29):
person clearly has an underlying mental illness which has been
exacerbated by the cocaine use. So it's just a little
bit of a different situation. Still the same dangers of
ingesting things that are not supposed to be eaten and
cannot be digested. I think out of that list, the
grossest one is the cigarette ashes and the cigarette butts.
(18:53):
I'd rather swallow a carabiner than a cigarette. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's just so gross. But where did the ashtray go
that's so large?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know. It said that he actually had the
ashtray too, or just the ashtray contents.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It said, including an ashtray containing cigarette butts and ashes.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's just disgusting. But anyway,
so I guess he like he did the cocaine. He
was having an episode. He ate all these things, and
then he was like, you know what, that was a
bad idea. Let me make myself throw up, And all
of a sudden, he started feeling like an intense pain
and swelling in his neck and went to the emergency room,
(19:34):
which emergency room doctors just see the craziest shit ever,
Like really, I mean, just the things that are thrown
at them are amazing. So they do the CT scan
and see like, oh, yeah, he's and he's been. It
just wasn't that one thing. There were things down his
entire GI track. But what they did find was that
he had a tear in his esophagus up in his throat,
(19:57):
which was what all the pain was caused by. So
they were able to repair that, and he had a
couple complications after that surgery and was in the hospital
for a couple of weeks, but he was eventually discharged,
and during that time they were giving him psychiatric care
and put him on medications and stuff. But he was
discharged and is now under psychiatric care on an outpatient level. Wow,
(20:22):
it's just a good it's a good case to show
that if you do have an underlying medical condition, drugs
could just make it even worse.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, I mean, dudes followed a whole astronim stuff's so great.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I don't even want to be in the same room
as a cigarette, let alone put one near my mouth.
They just are the it's just the grossest smell, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
This lady is talking about how one night she was
talking her son into bed and he had a fever,
and he told her that she looked teeny tiny like
she's drunk, but she was kind of blowing it off
to the fever. But then the next night should have
getting really weird because he had a lower fever and
he was saying the same thing. And it turns out
he had this really rare condition going on as a
(21:05):
result of the flu.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I was like, I'm really excited to learn about
this because I've never heard of this before. But it's
called alice in Wonderland syndrome, and sometimes especially in children,
it causes these sensory misfires with the brain, and children
could think that things look really tiny, or things look
really large, or things look two D instead of three D.
(21:30):
I thought that was so it's kind of cool, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I know, don't it wouldn't treake me go to someone's
brain and see what it looks like. I do.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I would love to see what it looks like. But
at the same time, if my kid was saying that stuff,
and of course, like when they talk about this syndrome
and say that it's normal and it happens the first
You also want to make sure that they're not having
cognitive issues due to the high fever, because that can
be a serious sign that they need to go to
(22:00):
the hospital and get treatment if they're fevers too high.
So I would think the same thing that mom did
with just like, oh, they're just sticking talking crazy, they
didn't get enough sleep and their fevers making them not
think straight and it's I don't know, it's cool. It's
a really cool thing that I learned today.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So it is cool. They said it's definitely more common
in children than adults. But you also need to pay
attention because if it's not associated with other symptoms or
no explanation, you need to make sure the kids not
just having like straight up hallucination.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, and didn't like take your mushrooms that you had
in your refrigerator or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to talk about the new Autistic Barbie, a
sting ray that stabbed a mand in the stomach, a
kidnap girl who was eaten alive by alliators, a person
who did cocaine then ingested a bunch of weird stuff
causing a hole in his esophagus. And we'll talk about
(00:41):
Ellice in Wonderland syndrome. All that and more on today's episode.
Autistic Barbie. What do you think?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I've I think it's cool representation, but I was seeing
like really mixed reviews online about it. So they posted
the relief of this Barbie as part of this collection
they're doing where they also I think we reported when
they release the Down Syndrome Barbie. Right, Yeah, So they
have the Down Syndrome Barbie. They have one that's blind,
(01:12):
one's a bit a lego, prosthetic leg hearing aids, et cetera.
So they worked with the Autistic Self Advocacy Network to
develop this doll, and it's part of this line of
inclusive dolls to try to represent kids with disabilities and
other things going on. But I've been seeing some people
online that say I have autism and this is offensive,
(01:34):
and then some people saying this is really awesome to
be included. So I don't know, Like I don't know
what to think because like I personally am not affected
by this, so I don't really think I have a
right to talk about it if that's if that's the
angle I want to go at. I think it's cool
that Mattel wants to do this, but if people are
getting offended by it, then I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I just think that with autism there's such a spectrum
of things to just and I understand it with more
with Down syndrome or the type one diabetes, even with
the pump and venallego. These are things that you could
(02:17):
see with your eyes. Is autism? Autism to me isn't
really necessarily like a thing that you could just make
accessories to make it look like relatable. I mean, the
weird some of the stuff that just was weird to
me was like, oh, the elbows in the hands bend, well,
guess what, Like every.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Single dolsh should have that right.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's like saying that they they want to be able
to lean back and they want to be able to
flail the arms or something like. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I just thought that that was kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The flat shoes again, like, what does that have to
do with anything like every that's that's like lots of
people want to have comfortable shoes. They were saying about
the clothes, the headphones, the eye contact another weird thing.
I'm just like, it's a freakin' doll. They don't have
eye contact. Like it's just like all of it. I understand,
(03:12):
I guess like the theory, but I just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
That's how I feel. I understand the theory, but I
think we've seen mixed reactions coming out about all these
various types of dolls, and then some other criticisms they
have gotten in the past when they released like dolls
with thicker bodies and stuff, is like, oh cool, So
now my doll can't wear all the other Barbie clothes.
They can only wear the clothes developed for this one
(03:38):
and this one showing like this autistic Barbie they've just
released is featuring a fidget spinner, noise canceling headphones, this
tablet that some autistic people use to try to communicate better.
They noted that they tried to do a more loose
fitting outfit because a lot of autistic people don't like
tight clothing, but then there are some that like type clothing.
(04:01):
So I guess by working with this group, they kind
of covered their ass and developing this dull not saying like, oh,
we made all these assumptions. We actually worked with this
group that gave us all these tips to form the
best representation possible. But if you have people that actually
have autism saying that this is offensive and or not necessary,
(04:21):
I think you should take the feedback into consideration as well.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Are there like lots of autistic people sitting around saying like, oh,
I never felt like I could relate to Barbie. It's
just I don't know, it's just like so extra and
it's it's a I was thinking about that too, because
I'm just like, I understand that there's definitely girls that
have autism, but I feel like it's so much. It's
(04:47):
it's like less than one percent of the female population,
as with boys, it's significantly higher, up to five percent
of the population. Right, So it's not to say that
that it's not a problem for parents that are dealing
with it, that have female children as well. I just
I don't know that it was I mean whatever, Like
(05:10):
like I said, people are offended by it. It's it's
just kind of like defeating the purpose. And also I
just feel like this way in general, that sometimes when
you're trying to include everyone, you're actually making them stand
out worse. Like if if these people just want to
(05:31):
feel like everyone else, then then stop like pointing out
that they're different, right, just like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah, it's it's just a weird thing. And I think
what I'm taking away with it is that since people
are seemingly on social media, I mean, of course, of
course in the press releases, in the articles, they're not
pointing this out. But when you actually look at the
public's reaction online, it doesn't really seem like it's the
most overwhelmingly positive from the people in the actual community
they're saying they're representing.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It's just like if you consider one percent of females
having autism, it's just like it, okay, so that would
be like people with saliac are probably even same or more.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I mean, like, are they you make a gluten free doll?
Because how about epilepsy? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And what does a gluten free person look like? Like
they're they're carrying around like cardboard bread, you know what
I mean, Like it's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
I agree with you that the physical representations like vide lego,
the prosthetic leg those are super cool to see because
those aren't ever featured on dolls. But yes, the more
like non obvious ones like this, and I know they
threw the accessories on the doll and said that's what
it was. But the same with like gluten free epilepsy,
(06:54):
things that like you don't see that people have. And
there's also thousands and thousands and thousands of kindition people have,
so like where are they handpicking the ones they're choosing?
I don't know, I don't know. All Right, In New Zealand,
this guy was doing a surf life saving training event
when suddenly a stingray stabbed him in his abdomen, just
barely missing his organs. So this reminds me of Steve Irwin, right, Yeah,
(07:20):
that's how he died. He got stabbed with a stingray BARB.
So this particular guy, he said that he got stabbed
in the abdomen, but I don't think it punctured him
all the way, because it seems like he got stabbed
and then he kind of went home and it was
starting to sting really bad. Isn't that how you read it?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Like? It didn't seem like because once it perforates through
your your skin and your abdominal wall, then you're then
you're at risk for serious issues including obviously just opening
the abdomen that is a sterile cavity can get become infectious.
You can introduce gross ocean bacteria into there, but also
(08:05):
the barb itself could stab your a order one of
your vital organs and kill you too, or just perforate
maybe your stomach and cause it to leak everywhere, and
also can set you up for a ton of problems.
So it seems like it it kind of like pierced
his skin a little bit but didn't go all the
(08:26):
way in.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, And it seems like this was a pure freak accident.
He said, I jumped in murky water, landed on it,
it got a fright, and in pure self defense, in
its natural habitat, it flicked up its barb. So I
don't think he was like doing anything disrespectful to it
on purpose or anything. I think this just is just
a weird like he jumped on it by accident, he
got stung, and then yeah, I read it the same
(08:49):
way where it took a while, like forty five minutes
to start feeling a burn, and then later on in
the day it was horrible.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So what happens is that the barb on the barb
on the sting ray is essentially like a serrated knife,
and when you when it hits or stings somebody with it,
these little tiny spines come off of it when it
pulls the towiel out, and those spines have the venom
(09:16):
in it, which can be locally actually can cause necrosis
or could cause the skin around it to die. So
that would explain the very weird feeling he started getting
surrounding where it hit him, and that could be a
huge problem for someone if they had a serious puncture.
(09:36):
But I'm thinking that it kind of just tapped them
and pulled out and didn't really cause that much of
a problem. Another thing to consider too, is that if
you're ever in that situation and you do get stabbed significantly,
you'll start bleeding in the water, which can then cause
other animals like sharks to be attracted to that. I
(09:59):
know that that was one of the concerns when Steve Irwin,
because I mean, he got punctured in his chest and
it stabbed him multiple times, and it killed him pretty quickly,
and there was a significant amount of blood around his body,
and that's why they were so concerned about getting him
out of the water quick.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I can't believe that was in two thousand and six
when he died. It didn't seem that was twenty years
sixty years ago. He died and then so random, but
his son just won Dancing with the Stars. It's just
it was so random that he even got cast in
and then he won the whole thing. Yeah, but yeah,
he was young, forty four years old. But I mean
(10:38):
at the time that happened, I was like, what, eleven
years old. I would have thought he was seventy five whatever.
So he's younger than you, So you're basically seventy five,
all right. This next case is old, but it's in
the news because it's still in court. It's absolutely crazy.
So in nineteen ninety eight, this man befriended a woman
(10:59):
through a friend at church and offered to drive her
home from work one day, so they get back to
her house and he ends up attacking her. She later
wakes up from being unconscious in the back seat of
his car, and it turns out that he picked up
her five year old daughter from a family friend she
was staying with at the time. So they start driving
(11:20):
and they try to get out of the car, unsuccessfully,
he gets them back in they get back on track.
He pulls over later and beats the shit out of
the mom and abandons her on the side of the road,
thinking he's leaving her for dead. So she comes to
later from the second attack and ends up getting help,
and then after the police get involved, they find out
(11:43):
that this guy dropped the five year old off in
this area called Alligator Alley, and three days after she
was dropped off there, fisherman found her body and she
had in fact been attacked by an alligator and killed.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, the medical examiner said that the injuries on her body,
so I guess her official cause of death was due
to blunt trauma and oftentimes I mean obviously he threw
her out of the side of the car on Interstate
seventy five, so I mean probably a fast rate of speed.
(12:19):
There were scrapes on her body that indicated that she
went vigorously across the sidewalk, but when she land or
a street as fault. When she landed, though, she was
still alive, and the medical examiner said that an alligator
had bitten off her arm after her body was already dead.
(12:39):
But there were wounds on her torso and her head
which indicate that she was still alive, so there was
indication that her heart was still beating when those injuries happened. Now,
she was probably unconscious because of getting thrown out of
the car, but technically, I mean, just think about that,
like you're in an area called alligator. You throw her
(13:00):
to the side of the road and they already smell
blood on her and come right out and just grab
her and pull her in and start eating her like
aid her arm.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
This is one of the most vile stories I feel
like we've covered on here, and it gets even worse
because in two thousand and seven, he was found guilty
of first sugary murder for the child, attempted murder of
the mom, and two counts of kidnapping. So initially the
jury voted eleven to one to sentence him to death,
but then that decision was overturned with a new law
(13:31):
in twenty seventeen ruling it unconstitutional for a death sentence
to be imposed without a unanimous jury verdict. And then
in twenty twenty three a new law said no, a
jury can impose the death penalty with an eight to
four vote, so as we know, in his case, he
had an eleven to one. So now he is eligible
I guess again for the death penalty. And that's why
(13:53):
this story is circulating again because he's in court. I
guess seeing if they get uphold it. This guy's seventy
six years old. I don't think the death penalty is enough.
I think we should let him get eaten by an alligator.
See how it fucking feels like? This is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I like, I used to be a big death penalty person,
and I feel like I feel like I'm changing because
of especially because of the Brian Coberger case. For example,
he's getting tortured in prison so bad, because life kind
of works itself out right, Like all of the people
(14:28):
in prison know what your crimes are, and certain ones
like don't get the people don't get tortured as much
as others. And I think about that with Brian Coberger,
Like he's been vocal about saying that he wants to
sell moved, and he's getting tortured and he can't sleep
at night and all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
It kind of gives me satisfaction to know that that
guy is going to be doing that for the next
fifty or sixty years of his life.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I mean, it's just so much easier to just die. No, definitely,
But I think I don't think we should apply eye
for an eye theory to every single crime that occurs.
But I think ones like this, like let him get
eaten by alligators and see how it feels.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Does he have have like a like schizophrenia or something?
Was there anything talked about like him having some kind
of a psychotic break for doing something like that, because
he seemed she met him at church and he seemed
like a nice enough guy to have come over. Like
what caused him to snap like that? Because I feel
(15:32):
like it seemed like a snap.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
He didn't quite snap. He had a pretty extensive criminal history.
Of course they found out after. So first I want
to say he said he did that with the child
because he was angry at her mother and didn't want
her telling anybody what he did. And I think he
expected the woman to die, but she didn't, so that
kind of exposed the entire thing. But yeah, it said
(15:56):
he had a link.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Do you imagine surviving that and then finding out how
your kid died?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
No, And this is why I'm like the death penalty
and being in prison is just not enough for a
person like this. So he had a lengthy criminal history
dating back to nineteen eighty four, including convictions for attempted burder, burglary, robbery,
and kidnapping, so he clearly had been up to the
Shenanigans before. And then I've read something on the article
(16:20):
that she had befriended him and he seemed fine, and
he made like a pass at her and she threatened
him with a knife, but he was so apologetic about
it that she thought it was just a misunderstanding. And
then after that is when this all went down. So
it is disgusting. This guy deserves I mean, he's been
(16:41):
in jail for almost twenty years for this, but like,
I just don't think it's enough in certain pieces. This
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Speaker 2 (17:19):
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So this guy in his early twenties went to the
er after using coke and then they find out he
consumed multiple foreign bodies, including an ashtray containing cigarette butts
and ashes, a climbing carib, two keys, a keychain, a toothpick,
and a coin. These X rays are crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
So like we were talking about my strange addiction last
week and how people with a condition called pika are
eating things that have no non nutritional value, which obviously
all of these things would be an example of that. This, however,
is a little bit of a different situation because this
(18:29):
person clearly has an underlying mental illness which has been
exacerbated by the cocaine use. So it's just a little
bit of a different situation. Still the same dangers of
ingesting things that are not supposed to be eaten and
cannot be digested. I think out of that list, the
grossest one is the cigarette ashes and the cigarette butts.
(18:53):
I'd rather swallow a carabiner than a cigarette. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's just so gross. But where did the ashtray go
that's so large?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know. It said that he actually had the
ashtray too, or just the ashtray contents.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It said, including an ashtray containing cigarette butts and ashes.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's just disgusting. But anyway,
so I guess he like he did the cocaine. He
was having an episode. He ate all these things, and
then he was like, you know what, that was a
bad idea. Let me make myself throw up, And all
of a sudden, he started feeling like an intense pain
and swelling in his neck and went to the emergency room,
(19:34):
which emergency room doctors just see the craziest shit ever,
Like really, I mean, just the things that are thrown
at them are amazing. So they do the CT scan
and see like, oh, yeah, he's and he's been. It
just wasn't that one thing. There were things down his
entire GI track. But what they did find was that
he had a tear in his esophagus up in his throat,
(19:57):
which was what all the pain was caused by. So
they were able to repair that, and he had a
couple complications after that surgery and was in the hospital
for a couple of weeks, but he was eventually discharged,
and during that time they were giving him psychiatric care
and put him on medications and stuff. But he was
discharged and is now under psychiatric care on an outpatient level. Wow,
(20:22):
it's just a good it's a good case to show
that if you do have an underlying medical condition, drugs
could just make it even worse.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, I mean, dudes followed a whole astronim stuff's so great.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I don't even want to be in the same room
as a cigarette, let alone put one near my mouth.
They just are the it's just the grossest smell, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
This lady is talking about how one night she was
talking her son into bed and he had a fever,
and he told her that she looked teeny tiny like
she's drunk, but she was kind of blowing it off
to the fever. But then the next night should have
getting really weird because he had a lower fever and
he was saying the same thing. And it turns out
he had this really rare condition going on as a
(21:05):
result of the flu.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I was like, I'm really excited to learn about
this because I've never heard of this before. But it's
called alice in Wonderland syndrome, and sometimes especially in children,
it causes these sensory misfires with the brain, and children
could think that things look really tiny, or things look
really large, or things look two D instead of three D.
(21:30):
I thought that was so it's kind of cool, honestly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I know, don't it wouldn't treake me go to someone's
brain and see what it looks like. I do.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I would love to see what it looks like. But
at the same time, if my kid was saying that stuff,
and of course, like when they talk about this syndrome
and say that it's normal and it happens the first
You also want to make sure that they're not having
cognitive issues due to the high fever, because that can
be a serious sign that they need to go to
(22:00):
the hospital and get treatment if they're fevers too high.
So I would think the same thing that mom did
with just like, oh, they're just sticking talking crazy, they
didn't get enough sleep and their fevers making them not
think straight and it's I don't know, it's cool. It's
a really cool thing that I learned today.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
So it is cool. They said it's definitely more common
in children than adults. But you also need to pay
attention because if it's not associated with other symptoms or
no explanation, you need to make sure the kids not
just having like straight up hallucination.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, and didn't like take your mushrooms that you had
in your refrigerator or something like that.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, it's super cool. Okay, guys, please send over to
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So, yeah, thank you for listening to mother nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology ED. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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