On today’s MKD, we start the week discussing the death of Senator Lindsey Graham, a woman who took back her husband after he tried to drive their family off a cliff, a Ryanair passenger partially sucked out of a plane window, nursing home employees who took photos of their patients’ genitals, and a pilot who jumped to his death, forcing a student to land the plane.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the death of Senator Lindsey Graham
and all of the juicy conspiracy theories surrounding his death.
Then we have an update on a story we've been
talking about for the past couple of years involving a
doctor who intentionally drove his car off a cliff with
his wife and kids inside. If you remember, they all
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miraculously survived. But this case is back in the news
this week because apparently his charges were dropped and his
wife wants him back, so we need to talk about this.
Then we'll have a couple incidents that happened on airplanes,
Maria's favorite topic, and nursing home employees who were sharing
pictures of patients genitals. Will finish up with your questions, comments, emails,
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all that and more on today's episode. Lindsay Graham, let's start.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
With that, all right. So over the weekend, Senator Lindsay
Graham died suddenly hours after returning from a trip to Ukraine.
He just turned seventy one last Thursday. Everybody was saying
it was shocking and sudden. I saw you were calling
something out on social media. What was that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, I was just getting annoyed because everybody was saying
that he was murdered, and I'm like, he's a seventy
one year old male who just traveled like a huge trip, right,
So that means he was on an airplane for multiple
hours in a row, and all that we knew at
the time was that he said he had chest pain
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and then he dropped dead essentially, right. And I always
say that there's only a few things in the world
that can make you drop dead like that. It's completely
not out of the realm of possibility for a seventy
one year old man to drop dead like that. It
happens every single day, all the time. Anybody that's listening
right now who is either a paramedic, AMS person or
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who is working in the hospital can tell you that, right.
So everybody saying that he was murdered, it it just
didn't make any sense to me. I personally, if I
could have guessed, which I did, I would have said
that he had a pulmonary embolism because he was just
on that really long flight and that's you know, when
you're sitting down for a long period of time. If
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you have any kind of underlying cardiovascular thing, especially a
clotting thing, that would predispose you to that, that would
be the most likely situation. But what actually happened to
him was that he had a dissecting aortic aneurysm. So
that is even more non suspicious to me. As far
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as like a foreign entity try to kill him, I
don't know how you could give that to somebody, you know. Well,
I mean think about everything, like you have proved time
and time again that Diddy could not have possibly killed
kim Porter, and people just refuse to believe it. Yeah,
it's interesting, and like listen, that was another thing I
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was just thinking about, like if he was poisoned or
whatever people are saying. I just want to say, like, well,
with what, because if you poison someone, it's not usually
it's not like how it is in the movies, you know,
in the Princess Bride where the guy's like ha ha
ha and then he falls over and dies. You know,
it's like either you're sick for a while leading up
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to it, or it happens you know, fairly quickly after
you take it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But not.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's not just like you're fine and then you're not
kind of thing like that. But I mean there are
like I would say, cocaine, for example, is a drug
that could make that happen. It wouldn't cause it to happen.
But like, this is what I'm trying to say. The
bottom line is is that this guy had diseased blood vessels. Right,
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he had arterior sclerosis. They said it on the autopsy.
So when you you think about your blood vessels, all
of your arteries, but especially a orders, your biggest artery,
it's made of three layers, right, it has an inside
layer and then a muscle layer, and then an outside layer.
So the inside layer when it gets damaged, right when
it gets arteriosclerosis, is when it gets hardened because of
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high blood pressure, uh, cholesterol, things like that. Just being older,
he's seventy one, he's older, like even though we know
a lot of seventy one year old people that are
young seam and he was young seeming, but like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In his body's old job for decades.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah. So like, so when you have that damage to
your blood vessel, when I I've seen such severe cases
of it, when I do an auto that it's literally
like crunchy. It looks like it like little flakes of
corn flakes on the inside of the aort it. It's
that crunchy like you sometimes have a difficult time cutting
it with a blader with scissors. It's that crunchy. And
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that damage causes a tear on that inner layer where
the blood is going against right, and then the blood
could go inside that tear and basically dissect up in
between the inside layer and the middle layer, causing like
a new lumin where that blood is not going through
to the rest of your body. It's going inside of
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this new lumen that it has created, right, And that's
called a dissecting aneurysm. So when you have your aorta
is huge, It comes off of your heart and then
it loops up and then it goes down all the
way down your backbone, it goes throughout your whole entire body.
So the closer that happens to the heart, the worst
prognosis you have. So I know that a lot of
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people were saying, you know, because it was a little
bit of an unusual situation because apparently he called someone
that was like a staff member of someone and said
that he was having this problem instead of just calling
nine on one, which I thought was weird if he
thought he was really having a problem that bad. But
that person then called nine on one. Paramedics show up
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to the house and it's it's locked, so they had
to break into the house. So it took them like
twenty five minutes to get in.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I saw it was twenty five minutes before CPR started,
which I was like, that is a really long time.
I mean, maybe it seems stupid when you're in an
actual emergency, but maybe it was to try to avoid
some type of PR crisis or something.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Possibly, but regardless, like it doesn't matter, Like none of
that matters. You could have a dissecting aortic aneurysm at
the hospital in front of a surgeon and still die
from it. It's a very especially depending on the location,
it's a very deadly condition. I used to work with
a guy who had one who actually survived it, but
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it's not unusual for people to die from that. Actually,
John Ritter died from that when he was fifty three
years old.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So is this something like he knew he had or
he might have just had other heart problems and this
was evolving over time or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Like the thing is is that he I doubt that
he knew he had it. He probably didn't know he
had it. He could have known that he might have
had like some disease in his coronary arteries for example,
because you usually don't get disease in just one artery.
It affects all of them throughout your body. So when
you do an autopsy, if you see it in someone's
coronary arteries, you're gonna see it in their carotid arteries
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and in their a ord. It like it's a whole picture.
And it's possible that he might have known that he
had some kind of problem, but like it's not. It
doesn't mean that he wasn't going to the doctor and
getting it treated. It's just like it's just a freak
thing like that. Many people don't have this condition happen
and died from it. So CPR wasn't gonna help him,
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Like he was just gonna.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Die like that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I don't really see any poison in the world
or whatever people are saying that. I just can't think
of any scenario that someone could intentionally cause someone to
die from that, because this is something you see grossly
at autopsy. It's not mistaken for anything else. It's like
saying to me, like I'm gonna give you cancer like
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or something, you know, like which I guess in theory,
I mean could if you see someone, Yeah, like it's
just like a It's like it's just like a weird thing.
I'm gonna give you kidney disease. Like you can't. You
can't give that to somebody. It's just it's not possible.
The only like I said, the only drug that could
exacerbate that, so if he had it, because what causes
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it to happen to push you over the edge to
make it finally go through and potentially burst, is when
your blood pressure is high. So yeah, it could have
been just from the flight and traveling. I mean, I imagine
traveling to Ukraine as a high stress situation between I
know they don't go on like regular airplane, it's probably right,
but just traveling in general can raise people's blood pressure
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and just going up and the altitude and everything like that,
like that could have aggravated the condition.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think they Yeah, like I guess he flies on
a special government plane and everything, but like you just
have to think it's still an airplane and it's still
the same type of thing, and then there's like you know,
it's kind of like an act of war zone over there.
So that stressfully is a high powered government job, which
is also stressful that he's worked in four decades.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I think when it comes to like they can well
and and I mean, like listen, a lot of people
want to kill the dude, So I understand why the
conspiracies are happening. It's like it's just funny because when
you're like online, it's it's people are saying it's Russia.
It's literally it's Russia, it's Ukraine, it's Iran, and it's Israel.
Like it it's every single person wants to kill him.
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So and I believe that they are doing the autopsy
is still penning because he just died, so they're still
doing toxicology and like maybe they will come up with something,
but like the fact is is that that's not what
killed him. He died from this dissecting annuals.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Less the medical examiner for it was falsified. I think
what they get.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That they're just putting it out there to keep everybody
quiet and not going nuts. For a couple of days,
they just don't do that. Like I understand, I understand
like where people think that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know. I think in general, with somebody that's
like a celebrity or fully immersed in pop culture or
politician whatever, that there's always going to be conspiracy theories.
I mean, I will forever cite this, like Bob Saget
died in a pretty straightforward way, and people still to
this day are refusing to believe that he just slipped
and fell and hit his head, like it's not that complex.
And you have this guy that's like pretty hated by
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a lot of people, right, so like everybody wants to
just think so much into it. Something I noticed about
everything going on with Charlie Kirk in court too. I
don't know if you've noticed this or maybe it's something
I'm missing in my postpart and brains all over the place,
but I've I feel like when there's other cases being
covered in the news, they'll just say, like the person's name,
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like Brian Coberger on the stand, blah blah blah blah blah.
But I've noticed in this case with Charlie Kirk, it
says suspected Charlie Kirk killer. Everything says alleged, suspected. It
doesn't just say the kid's name, which, well, I don't
know if we see that all the time or I've
just been noticing it more than ever, because as we know,
there's a thousand conspiracy theories behind that case.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, and just for those of you who aren't in
the grosser room and listen to our YouTube live every week,
we get heavily into some of these things. Yeah, I
mean that's that's like a whole I mean, we could
do a whole episode on that, because I think that
in general, like news organizations or just anyone in general,
even us, like low level people, you're supposed if somebody
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isn't convicted in a court of law, you're supposed to
say alleged.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
No. You like, no, you are supposed to say that.
But I like, maybe this is how it's reported and
the headlines are all the time, but I've just noticed
it more in this case because there's so many conspiracies
that this kid actually did not kill him. But I
just feel like they will usually use the killer's name,
like Ted Bundy did that. Well, Ted Bundy was convicted,
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but you know what, I'm trying to say, like Brian
Coberg before he made the plea deal and pleaded guilty,
like they were just saying Brian Coper, Like everybody knows
this kid's name, And I notice every single article says
alleged killer, suspected killer, Like I just think it's a.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Really do you know why people are doing that? This
is my opinion because I think that, like you, if
you believe the government at face value that all of
the information that they presented in court this week, you
would say, Okay, he definitely, like Tyler Robinson, definitely did
it right. But everyone in the world, I don't care
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who you are, has a little bit of doubt in
the government now little to a lot. I'm more on
the a lot. I would say more than ever, right, okay,
Like every single person has some percentage of it. And
I think that regardless of how crazy some of these
conspiracy theories are, you can't ignore some of the stuff
that it is just a little weird and unusual. And
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I think that people just leave that little bit of
a hair so if it does turn out to be
the other way, that they won't look like they were
totally wrong or reporting the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, let's also not forget who his attorney is, which
is the same woman that represented Corey Richins, who did
not call any witnesses for the defense and just rested
immediately when the state was done presenting their case. So
if that's how she's gonna go about doing trials, I
don't know what's gonna happen with this.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm like, I'm really interested in that particular case because
it just there are just some things that like that.
I was actually talking to Lauren Conlin about this because
sometimes they'll text with her, and I'm just kind of like,
I just like, there's a lot of different parts of
the case that I'm kind of like, I don't know,
that's weird, that's weird. But the biggest thing to me
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is like the text message thing, Like I just can't.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Get over it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And it's not it's not like the weird conversation that
they were having with each other that doesn't sound like
kids talking to each other because me and Gabe always
we talk to each other like kind of weird. So
like if you read our text me too, yeah, Like
I feel like, like, yeah, so do we like me?
You you say, like me and Gabe talking like.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You talk in like zodiac dealer ciphers.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We do. We have like ciphers and like guys exactly
notes around their house that are just like a bunch
of letters and you're like, I know what that says.
I do because I'm weird, well, because we have our
own language. But aside from that though, like we we
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read the Frankenstein book like along on one of our
road trips, right, and it's it's just like it's funny,
like the way that they talk, and especially when they're
describing the monster.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Like you did this to me and you are you know.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like just this dramatic thing. And sometimes like we talk
to each other and I'll just like every time I
text him, I'm like, dinner's ready, my love, and he goes, okay,
my love, I'll be right there. Like we literally talk
like that to each other. It's not that part of it.
It's the part of it that's just like the confessional
that hits every single point of evidence that they have.
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It's just weird, Like if you're talking to someone and
saying like I did this cry and you wouldn't be
like and I was waiting on the roof and there
was a police officer there and I just waited and
I put the gun down on the ground, and like
it's it's spelled out, so it's step by step exactly
what happened, and it just matches up with all of
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the evidence they have, and I just think it's so bizarre,
and like any person that's ever investigated any would be like,
this is weird. It's all weird, and the and the
wife too is fucking weird. I'm sorry, like I feel
bad for the situation, but like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, she's acting. She's acting very.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Weird for a widow and and listen, like it's it's
one of the biggest things and this is so silly.
You guys are gonna think that this is ridiculous that
I even like pick up on this. But she she
like within the first couple of days of going on air,
I'm gonna say this, like whenever I've gone to a funeral,
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like we went to a firefighter's funeral for one of
our firemen recently, like I don't I'm not going and
wearing makeup because or least mascarett and like my normal
blush because I know when I cry, it wipes all
off and I look like a clown. Like literally, right
when you go to a funeral, you don't, like, you
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don't wear that much makeup because of that. I think
any woman in the world knows that, Right, why is
she going on the news and this and that with
she's got like evening where like wedding, smoky eye, crazy
makeup on crying with the little tear, with.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
The with the tissue.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's like like it's so I'm like, why the fuck
are you wearing so much eye makeup right now? If
you're gonna be crying every five minutes, which I understand
you would be crying every five minutes if your husband
just got murdered. Like the whole thing of it is
just with the rings and this and that. Like I'm
just kind of like, why is your mind even like
there to get your makeup done and shit before you
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go on TV? Like it's weird to me.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't know, Like I do think it's weird. But
then again, it's like she's constantly on television and everything,
and you have to think of the criticism that comes
along with that. So like I think people just get
in that mode of like but then never never mind
be cause I'm gonna contradict my own point by being like, well,
Savannah Guthrie is on the news the most major news
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channel every single morning, and she wasn't even wearing me
make up in certain videos talking about her mother who's missing. Right,
So if you want to put them along the same line.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because that's because when you like, just think about if
you've cried heavily with makeup on, like it look it
looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well maybe it's just.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like I don't well and it's like this weird, like
it's this weird, like pulling out this tissue and just
like touching the edge a little bit, and I'm like, nah, dude,
if you were crying like hardcore, that shit would be
running down your face. It's not like you have a
good makeup artist, Like you have black hole around your eyes,
and it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Maybe that was intentional because then if she does lose it,
it looks better for her if her makeup's all distraught,
because it's like, oh, look at her, like she's in distress.
I don't know, like I I don't I don't follow
many political things, so like I don't really know what's
going on, but I have seen many people's supporters and
not supporters being like her behavior is really weird for somebody. Yeah,
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and his husband just got assassinated, like on video, and
there's like it's going viral all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, like I don't know. I just think like
the whole thing of it is just so weird for
so it's hard for me to be And maybe this
happened when JFK got shot too, I don't freaking know,
Like maybe everybody was just like, she sucks, she's not
acting right this that or the other. I mean, she
did jump on the back of the car and grab
pieces of his brain. I would say that most people
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would say that that's not acting right when you have
some kind of trauma like that, who knows how you're
gonna act and stuff. It's just like, I don't know.
I just think that you're getting so much criticism, like
just go away. You have money, just like go away
and like the criticism will stop. It's just like you're
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you're inviting this drama on yourself exactly, like and maybe
it's just like this this need for just like I
need attention right now because this is so horrific and
I can't get through this by myself. Maybe I don't know,
but all right, anyway, let's get back to Lindsay Graham
because there's something juicy that happened with this. So number one,
speaking of I didn't even plan on talking about this
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for all this time on this episode. But there's there's
all this stuff going on with another senator, Mitch mcconnald.
You know about that, well, like the picture and all
that about it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I just know that people think he's dead and then
they like posted this proof of like photo basically from
the hospital and people are still not believing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It because it's AI. It like it looks like AI.
It's so crazy anyway, So there's all that, and then
so there's this transgender author and like she's an influencer
person Jesse James Rose posted this right after Senator Lindsey
Graham died, saying that now this is just like not confirmed,
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but this person is saying that this happened, right because
like and a lot of people are like, oh, I
guess he's dead, like an NDA might have expired or whatever.
But this is what she posted on on I don't
know if it was on X or on her Instagram whatever,
but it said quote Jo just woke up to find
out that Lindsay Graham is dead. Lol. Most of you
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know him as a homophobic senator from South Carolina, but
to me, he will always be the man who paid
a twinkie pre transition college student. And then it's like
the emoji rais in their hand a fat stack of
cash to do unspeakable things to him in a hotel
room while he wore red lingerie.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, wow, listen, that's obviously like being alleged and everything,
but I will say, in my opinion, I find that
most of the time, these people that are like staunchly
against certain things are the ones doing it in private.
So it's like that's just my opinion of not saying
anything was going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But in the so it's just like, you know what,
I just enjoy about it. Like you, if you think
about like watching c SPAN or something, it's like a
total snooze fest. It's it's like throughout history, it's just
been the most boring ever unless you're super into it.
And I'm like, no, this is all. It's all like
super entertaining. Between that and the fake Mitch McConnell thing.
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And I think that Mitch McConnell. Thing's even weirder because
people have gotten the records from when the first responders
went to his house and it said that the person
was in cardiac arrest and got CPR, And this.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Dude's just like, nah, I just don't feel good.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm fine, Like I don't have any if he.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Died, Like if he did die or he wasn't doing well,
why wouldn't they just say it like who cares?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I don't know, because it's probably has something to do
with like if his spock gets lost. I don't freaking know.
I don't follow that shit.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I just think it's in thousand years old. Why are
these people weird?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like we're just like he's I think he's in his
his eighties at least, if not high eighties. And you're
just like that would not nobody would judge you if
you had a heart attack, Like it's okay, you could
say you had a heart attack. The whole thing of
it is just it's so posed like he's whole, Like
they have him holding a newspaper that's supposed to look
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like it's like this week's newspaper, as like the proof
that he's alive, and you're just like, yeah, that shit
flew like twenty years ago, bro Like, and all these
people are posting pictures of themselves holding the same exact
newspaper like it's just like.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I thought, Jimmy Kimmel put his face on top of it.
Everybody is it's amazing, Like it's great. All right, let's
let's move on, because we could talk about this for hours.
So this doctor, I just like can't stop talking about
this story. We should do a high profile dissection on
this because nobody actually died, but it's it's a pretty
crazy story how it started and how it ended. No,
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it is so we report on this case before. So
this doctor drove his family off a cliff and their tesla,
and if you guys remember the car data was actually
it would have proved that he did it intentionally, even
though he said it was an accident, because they all
they dropped off this three hundred foot cliff and then
they ended up surviving, which is like miraculous in and
of itself. But when they did the investigation, if you
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guys remember the tesla data said that he intentionally drove
the car off of the cliff.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So and the wife said when the first responder showed up.
The wife was like, he said he was going to
drive off the cliff and kill usly.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, so in the car was him, his wife, and
his two kids, who were four and seven years old.
So at the time he was facing three counts of
attempted murder, but that last Monday, the judge dismissed the
charges after receiving reports from his doctor indicating he was
doing well in a mental health diversion program. And now
his wife has decided she's going to try to make
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their marriage work.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
All right, so let's let's talk about that for a second.
A second. So prosecutor said that he did this because
he was depressed.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Wait, it's not just depressed, they said doctors testified he
was experiencing hallucinations, hearing footsteps, and believed his children had
been sex trafficked, allegedly provoked by the nation's no crisis,
the war in the Ukraine, and as fear as his
children could be kidnapped and molestic connected to his worries
about Jeffrey Epstein, who had been dead for three years
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when this occurred.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, So so he's just like, listen, like, I actually
believe that this is possible because I think a lot
of people are having these mental health crises, like over
over stuff that has nothing to do with them, like
a lot of people. So it like and it's like
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it's hitting all of the major things. It's it sounds
like he was on social media like all day, falling
into like loopholes of of just like rabbit holes, I
want to say, like thinking that the world was going
to end, Like I believe that for sure. I guess
the weird thing is is that the judge allowed this
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guy to go into something called It's California's Mental Health
Diversion program, where he spent two years in treatment from
a Stanford psychiatrist and a family therapist and lived under
supervision with his parents. So he was never in jail
and he complied with with what he was supposed to do,
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and under the law, the judge had to drop all
of the charges.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Okay, Like I have problems with this for many reasons
because so now that the charges are dropped, he he
can't get he can't get tried or whatever for this anymore.
Like it's done, so he's clear of this, right, So,
like if he gets out of this mental health program
and he doesn't have to be in a facility or whatever,
Like he's just gonna move back in with his wife
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and they're gonna just start playing happy family again. And
then it's like, oh, remember that dead that they dad
tried to kill us all and drop off the cliff.
Like I don't know. I'm just saying, like, if he
had this problem and he's not gonna remain in treatment
or medicated throughout his whole life, what's to stop him
from doing something like this again? What's to stop other
people people that are having these fears from doing something
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and using it as an excuse. Well, I mean you
could go on and say that a lot of people
who who do this are are in this situation where
they're having some kind of severe mental distress. I mean
there's murder suicides a lot of the times, Like obviously
a lot of times it's because of just domestic fighting
(27:23):
between couples and things like that, but sometimes you see
it with the kids and everything else that people are
like it's over money or it's over this or that.
I don't know, Like I could argue it both ways,
because in one sense, it's like, clearly, this guy doesn't
seem like the type of man that needs to be
like in prison because he's a threat to society next necessarily,
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But are you sure about that? Because like he wasn't
making a rational decision and try to kill his whole family.
So what's the stop for a couple of years if
he's unmedicated from going out in public and trying to
kill people out in public.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I mean, I guess, I guess he's a high like
higher risk, but he doesn't seem like he doesn't seem
like he's like a menace to society, like like you
would think of a person that needs to be in jail, right,
But I mean, I just I just feel like you
could really argue this with any kind of case of
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of somebody. And we talked about this when we interviewed
that doctor Leslie what's going to say Dobson? When we
interviewed her about like, I just was trying to ask,
like is there what is there? Just like, is there
such thing as a person that's just evil versus a
person with a mental health thing? And they and she
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seems to think that there's a difference. But wouldn't you
even say, like someone like Brian Coberger, for example, who
just went and and slaughtered for people for absolutely no reason,
with no a parent even ties to these people, Like
wouldn't you say that that was an underlying mental health
something too, Like maybe he doesn't fall into a DSM
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category of something, but like clearly something's off with him.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, this is what I'm getting it, Like I'm stressed
by the war overseas, but like if I kill somebody,
I could just be like, well, I was stressed about
the war overseas, or like I'm worried my kid's gonna
get kidnapped in the back of my head, so if
I do something irrational, I could just be like, well,
I was scared by beautiful little baby boy was gonna
get kidnapped. Like anybody is gonna use this as an excuse,
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and I don't like it. There needs to be some
more regulation over this.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's like it seems it's like so social media induced psychosis.
It's just interesting because it's not. It's not one thing,
it's like multiple different things that I feel like if
you talk to most people, they would say, you know,
they would be more stressed out about one thing versus
the other. But I feel like if you I interview
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any single person living in the country right now, there's
something that they're stressed out about, whether it's like wars
or or COVID stuff or money stuff, you know what
I mean, Like, I just.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Think something to be stressed out about in their life.
It doesn't mean you could just go do irrational things.
Obviously he's dealing with a severe mental health situation. I
just like, I don't know how to feel about it too,
because I'm saying, like I agree with you, you could argue
it both ways. Like I don't know what I would
do if this was my husband who I'm madly in
love with, and this happened and he was dealing with
a severe mental health crisis. But at the same time,
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is it responsible of her to leave her kids and
his care or leave her kids alone with him? Like
would he literally tried to kill all of them? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I mean cause like I always say that mental health
isn't treated. It's never really treated the same as other
as other health issues. And even in the healthcare industry,
like you could just go and get treatment for pan
greast cancer and usually not have that much money to pay.
It's a covered by most insurances at least when I
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say not that much money, like under thousands of dollars whatever.
But like mental health stuff, sometimes it doesn't get covered
at all. And it's like, if you want to go
every single week and get therapy, which you should, if
you're really having a serious issue, you should be getting
therapy and seeing psychiatrists psychologists that are professionals instead of
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just getting medicine from your family doctor. Right, So, if
you were doing the right thing and going to that,
like sometimes that stuff isn't even covered. It's cash. You
can't find anybody, it's hard to get an appointment, things
like that, and that's a really unfortunate situation. And maybe
they were able to prove that he was trying to
get help and he couldn't get help, because really, we
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could say the same exact thing about this Lindsey Clancy
woman who killed her three children because of the prescription
medications she was on, or that's at least what her
defense team is fighting for her, and the prosecution is
saying like, no, you cold blooded, like killed your three children, right,
And I'm kind of on the side of her in
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that case, like I one hundred percent believe she was
having postpartum depression psychosis, and then on top of that,
they gave her a crazy cocktail of medications. So like me,
I don't really know that about this case, that he
wasn't getting the same kind of treatment and the same
thing happened.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we're missing that piece of
information because something we did talk about on YouTube recently
was that her team is claiming she took all these
steps to get help, and they had proof that she
was going all these extra steps to try to get
help and was being blown off. So like that's why
you could have a little bit of leniency in that case.
I guess maybe if we see that in this case,
I'll feel a different way about it. I just feel like, Okay,
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this guy just not even like three years ago to
try to kill his whole family and now he's just
gonna go back to live in like cute suburban family life,
Like that didn't just happen. I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's it's the same exact thing though with Lindsey Clancy.
Like it's like her I believe that her husband is
supporting her even though she killed his three children, right,
And it's like when you when you see the person
that you love that they're out of that and she
and listen like this wife, this isn't like this wasn't
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like a surprise kind of I'm sure that there's been.
It's not like he was perfectly normal and then drove
off a cliff like I'm sure she's been dealing with
shit with this guy for years. Whatever it is like,
it's it wasn't like a sudden Oh my god, he
was totally fine. This is shocking, Like you live with
a person and you get to know that how they
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are and stuff like that. But I mean, I don't know,
like her kids were so little, she says that the
kids want him home to they were four and seven better.
They don't even they don't even know what happened. I
don't even they might be like, oh that time I
got an accident, Like do you think she was like
your dad intentionally tried to kill us?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, I don't know. Because modern parenting, I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Listen, transparent the best. The best part of it is
like they're gonna become ten years old and have access
to Google, and then they're gonna get some hard truths
real fast.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well exactly, I don't know, Like it is one of
those you just don't know how to feel. I do
kind of think it's insane that they're just gonna go
back to living normal life. Like what if he stops
taking his meds and then does it all over again
or actually kills one of them. I don't know, because
that's a problem you could argue about any person dealing
with a mental health health crisis. Like look at the
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Nick Reiner case. They had been dealing with that for years,
and he had been in and out of facilities and everything,
and it still didn't help. So what what do you do?
I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I don't know, but I do I do understand, like
if if you could treat cases like this on an
individual basis. I just don't really I don't really see
the point of like like him being in the prison
system either, kind don't you know, I don't think he
needs to be, Like I feel like, I feel like
the prison system needs to be for people who were
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like borderline animals that like that can't be in society
because you know, they these people that have been arrested
fifty times and like just you're just kind of like, dude,
you're not fitting in here, Like you can't be here
that kind of a thing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I don't think he needs to be in prison. I
just think, I mean, I guess they're saying he lived
in a facility for like two and a half years
to get treatment. But is that long enough? Is the question?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well he got so he's not allowed to practice medicine anymore,
thank god.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Because which is do you want a radiologist that tried
to kill? Is that what he was? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I mean I I was it radiated?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Was it explicit?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Listen? Like, I I literally think that he would be
completely competent to do his job whatever. I don't care
if he was good, I wouldn't give a ship.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But like, but it's question of do you want a
doctor that has that history a radiologist?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You don't even see the radiologists through a room reading
your film, but theyah, he went he went nuts because
he sits in a little room all day and looks
at pictures. That's probably what happened. But I don't know.
Like they gave him his passport back, like he's travel
Well maybe hebe, he'll come on our show. I don't
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want to interview somebody like this.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I do, all right, Okay. A passenger on a Ryanair
flight from Greece to Germany was partially sucked out of
the plane window because it broke soon after takeoff. I
don't think I need to say what kind of aircraft
this is. If you've been a listener of this show
for a while, I think you can assume it was.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's so funny because as soon as I saw the
news report, I don't even care about the details. I
scroll through the article to be like Jesus Christ, you're
giving Maria more ammunition here? What kind of airplane was this? Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Shock?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Or it was a Boeing? Aren't there only like two airplanes?
So like air Bosses and Boeings are there any I.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Mean, they're the two major companies, but there are more
companies then it's like a fifty to fifty chance. They
say Airbus has had less problems, not that they've had
no problems. They've had horrific issues in the past. I'm
just saying you don't see them in the news as
often for having issues.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Like are there as many of them in rotation as Bowing?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I believe so. I mean you could get one just
as easily as a Boeing when you're booking a flight. Anyway,
if you guys recall in twenty eighteen, Southwest flight thirteen
eighty a woman actually died named Jennifer Reridon in a
similar situation. So that was also a Boeing seven thirty
seven where the engine failed and then the metal covering
of the engine.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Wait it was the same plane.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, I don't know if it was the same exact
like like.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The model, like the same.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Exact aircraft, but yeah, it was the same model as
Boeing seven thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, well, is it possible
that that's an issue?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Well, this is what I'm getting at. So it was
an issue where the engine failed and then the metal
covering over the engine like peeled off and the shrapnel
flew into the window which broke it and literally sucked
this woman like she didn't fully come out of the window,
but enough that it killed her. And if you remember,
I did a dissection on this case, so you could
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see like blood on the side of the plane and stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, we have a high profile dissection on this with
some pictures. It actually happened in Philly, so that's where
her autopsy was done. She had blunt trauma all over
her body, her torso, arms and legs. She was she
was belted in, I believe. So that's like, I mean,
imagine like your body being he was too, but he
(38:42):
was they were able to pull him back in right away. Yeah,
and maybe it was different depending on how high up
they were as far as the pressure changes in the
cabin or something.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah. So in this case, similar a window had broken
by a piece of debris that detached from one of
the planes engines. A sixty one year old man was
up with the SIPA on. They said he was sucked
out partially to his neck and shoulder. That's where he
got injuries, and he had friction burns, but nothing worse, luckily.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Dude, Like, I can, do you ever look at an
airplane window, because ever since that one happened with the
Southwest flight, I always look at the window and I'm like,
I don't even think that my hips would make it
through the clearance of this window.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So some airlines facing a lawsuit and I don't remember
off the top of my head, but because they're selling
window seats at an upcharge price, and then I guess
they reconfigured the rows so when you're actually in the seat,
that's that you've paid more money to sit in the window. Seat,
there's actually no window in the aisle. It's like, oh,
that's happened to me before. You like, it's like halfway
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in the back and halfway in the front. What don't
you feel differently about it now?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, Yeah, I'd actually prefer that one because you have
a little bit of window, but not enough to get.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Sucked out of exactly. I mean, how does this happen?
And if this has happened now two times with Boeing
seven thirty sevens, they need to do an investigation as
to white is happening. I mean, debris should not just
be like flying off of the engine's midflight.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
But they'll say, and I don't even know if this
is like a stat that you could look up how
many seven thirty sevens have taken flights. It's it's in
the millions. I'm sure, oh for sure. And then they'll say, okay,
we've had two times it happened. It's like it's it's
a non issue.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, but it's two times. On top of you know
that that door flying off that Alaska Airlines flight and
all these other problems that was a very one What
was that like last spring? I guess spring of twenty
five we just had a Boeing story every single week.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I I just like, if anything like that happened to me,
it would just I would just be like, I'm never
going on a plane again. That would be the end
of it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, Ricky was on a flight one time going to
Texas and there was a five or underneath in the
cargo because somebody's like vape caught on fire and the
luggage and they had to make an emergency landing and
he was like, I couldn't fly for years after that.
It scared me so bad. Yeah, So I don't know.
I feel like, yeah, everybody said they heard a loud bang,
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and then they thought the emergency exit door opened, which
there's been a lot of stories about people passengers trying
to open those lately, like going crazy and trying to
open those. So I think everybody thought that's what happened,
and then they realized, oh no, just one of the
passengers is partially sucked out of the windows. I don't
understand it all right. Three nursing home employees have been
set into jail time after snapchatting photos of their patients
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genitals and videos of themselves posing with and mocking dead patients.
So one of these women was already sentenced and serving
a twelve year sentence, and now the other two have
been sentenced to ten years in prison after pleading guilty
to charges of conspiracy and elder abuse.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's just so it's so disturbing. Just I don't like
I keep reading over this case and I'm just like,
I don't even understand what the point of this was.
Apparently this this other person was working with these two
and noticed on snapchat that the woman was taking pictures
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of someone's pubic hair, like an elderly person's pubic hair,
and like twisting it and writing comments like oh, I'm
trying to make a mohawk.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
What. So then that person saw the snapchat and reported
it to police, which is awesome, Like why, Like why.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I don't know. And then it says a search of
the women's phones produced more videos, including videos of patients
going to the bathroom or images of their genitals or breasts.
One of them was even seen laying next to a
dead patient, mocking the woman's facial expression.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I didn't understand this.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I was thinking about this and getting really upset because
I'm like, you know a lot of older people that
are in nursing homes, like don't want to be there,
and they're probably really depressed and it's isolated, especially if
you have a family that doesn't come visit you. And
then you have the and you're like, some people are
totally incapacitated and you're totally reliant on the staff working
there to take care of you. And then to think
that you're conscious of what's going on and these idiots
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are just like making fun of you or violating your
privacy like that, it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's just weird. Like I don't and I always say
this too, like it would be very weird that that
woman was taking these pictures and posting them on Snapchat,
but the fact that there's another person that's involved with
this as well, it's just like, you know, I've worked
in a hospital situation. It's just like, how do you
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meet a friend at work that you're both like, oh,
let's do this really terrible thing together, not even both
like three people were involved, and also are they just dumb?
Like why would you post that on social media? Like
you think that you wouldn't get caught, Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
I don't know what's going on, Like I was talking
to MoMA about this yesterday, because you know, she her algorithm.
She says, her algorithm thinks she's pregnant because she's been
looking up so much baby stuff. But we were just
talking about like all these parenting videos you get and
all this shit you're supposed to do for your babies.
And I'm like, they're trying to argue today that you
should do all this stuff to stimulate your baby's brain,
(44:17):
like have these like tummy time toys and read them
books and do all this shit, right, But I would
argue that all these children since these rules have come out,
are dumber than ever and less functional in society. They
don't think for themselves, So why am I gonna put
in all that effort that's gonna happen anyway. I'm just kidding,
but I just think it's like ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
There's a book it might be called The Comfort Crisis.
It's like, if that's what it is, it's like really
good explaining kind of that situation.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
How coddling your kids is totally ruining them for society.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I like every like a couple of people when I
was pregnant or like, are you reading Baby books to
him in the womb, and I'm like, no, we listen
to true crime books because I want be a genius.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well, I think that their study is that show that
that that that's helpful, But.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Who are these children that it's helping, because I'm thinking
of these kids that are teenagers that in their twenties
when these rules started coming into play, and I don't
particularly think this is the genius generation.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well it's certainly it's not, but that could be multifactorial
because of social media and also, like you know, COVID
just completely destroyed education that's going to just take a
while to recover from. Any Like now you're starting to
have kids that are going to be able to go
to school, hopefully from kindergarten through high school and not
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have a two year, two freaking year interruption because of
a pandemic. So you know, we're still in the middle
of like those kids like my I'm telling you, like
I was just saying this recently, Like my kids lost
two whole years of their childhood. It was like Lillian
had just turned seven years old and then it's like,
all of a sudden, she was like almost ten, and
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that's when the world like kind of started again like
it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
I know, I remember, because the COVID shutdown happened what
three days before her birthday. Yeah, and I remember facetiming
her like crying whatever, because I couldn't even see.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
That one day that one week that we were like, oh,
we're actually listening to the news and like believing them.
And then we were like, yeah, this is the dumbest
shit ever.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
And I want to thank the Philadelphia Health Inspector for
coming to my bar job the friday before shutdown because
you can't have the kitchen open when a health inspection
is in place. So I made forty dollars that day
because we didn't have a kitchen open and I didn't
know that I'd be out of work for the next
three to four months. So thank you for that. Absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Well, isn't that more the restaurants problem that the health
inspector showed up?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
No, they they come all the time. That was like
a violation.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
They just randomly show up at restaurants.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
They have to randomly show up because otherwise you could
just make it seem like you're clean all the time. Okay,
all right. Last in Argentina, a flight instructor jumped out
of a plane to his death, forcing the student pilot
on board to land the plane by herself.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, that's like a really crazy situation. I guess he
just opened the door and was kind of like, you
know what you have to do? Carry on, And this
is like such an insane story. Like imagine if you
were just the same way in driving school, just learning
how to drive, and then the instructor was just like, yeah,
(47:46):
I'm gonna you're on the highway right now and I'm
jumping out of the car. You'll be fine, like handle it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Well, that's interesting you brought that up because they're saying
this article that during an investigation, they're trying to understand
how he did it with such ease, apparently because it's
equivalent on this plane. It was a says No. One
point fifty g aircraft. They said, on this plane, it's
equivalent to jumping out of a car door while the
car driving approximately one hundred and twenty five miles an hour.
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So in this case, he said, you know what you
have to do, carry on, unbuckle his seat, removed, his
headset open the plane door. It just jumped out. And
then this twenty two year old is just supposed to
calmly land this plane while she just saw a man
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well she did, she did, but like it's the ultimate.
Like I remember when I was at the hospital and
I started learning how to do frozen sections, which is
like when they send specimens down while person's open and
in the operating room and under anesthesia, they're waiting for
our answer. So it's something that we have to do
very fast yet very accurately. And when I was learning
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how to do it, one of the residents used to
like throw stuff at me when I was doing it,
and she'd be like, you're in war now, like you
need to be able to perform under these situations, and
like she would just like create all this chaos and
hassle and make noise like while I was doing it,
because she's like, it's never going to be like a
calm control situation. And it's just funny because if that
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woman was able to land the plane under that, like
she's going to be an awesome pilot. If she could
do that, she could do anything kind of thing totally.
So I guess behind the scenes, he had been dealing
with some severe mental health issues and they said he
had recently checked himself into a clinic, but nobody knew
that except his family.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
That reminded me that I don't remember what it was.
I was listening to some interview with a pilot over
one of these plane stories we were covering last year,
and they were saying in the interview that pilots often
will not report if they're having mental issues because if
they do, it means that they are flagged and they're
not allowed to fly anymore. So if they are having.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Mental health issues, yeah, I feel like we talked about
that for something. Yeah, they're most that guy that actually
tried to like pull the whole plane down.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So what I think it was that when we were
in that story, I had listened to an interview with
another pilot who was just saying that it's like actually
a huge problem in their field because if they report
any signs of mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah immediately, I mean I understand that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Which they should be, but like they don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I don't know. This is just crazy that this girl
had to go through this, But at least she can
handle all right. On your questions and emails, if you
have stories or questions for us, please submit them to
stories at motherdosdeath dot com. First and from Melissa related
to a baby found in the porta potty. My grandmother
was a mortician.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
This is like a high, like the third comment we've
had on this case.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well, there's another submission after this that I think the
cases are maybe. I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
I was reading them and I was like, wait, this
is actually happening right now.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
But that's why I wanted to read both of these
back to back. So if either of these listeners know
if these cases are connected, I want to know, because
these emails came in minutes apart from each other, from
two completely different people. So I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
There connected, all right? So Melissa says, my grandmother was
a mortician and ran a funeral home in a very
small town. She lived in a suite attached to the
funeral home. My grandmam was legit crazy. She used to
let me play in the coffin showroom and would shut
me in the coffins because she thought it was funny.
But that's a whole other.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Short cool Granny. That's how I'm gonna be with Whaylan.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We were visiting for Thanksgiving One year, when I was
around nine or ten years old. We were in the
middle of Thanksgiving dinner when a police officer walked in
the door unannounced. He started telling my grandmother about a
dead baby that was found in the bottom of an
outhouse at a campground nearby. Everyone angrily left a dinner table,
except me and my grandmother. She calmly remained eating while
the officer talked about the level of decay on this
poor baby. I remember being too shocked to leave, but
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also very curious. I had so many questions, and that
was when my interest in true crime formed. Now as
an adult, I'm still very interested in true crime, but
even though I'm childless by choice, I really struggle hearing
about crimes with children. Hearing this story at the festival,
it really brought me back to how I felt about
the baby in the bottom of the outhouse. It's absolutely
crazy to me to think that something like this could
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happen more than once. So right after that, I get
an email from Charlene who says I was listening to
the story and it reminded me of a similar case
that happened back in nineteen ninety seven, where remains of
a newborn were found at an outdoor campground toilet in Michigan.
The case went cold, and the community named the baby
baby Garnet. Fast forward, twenty five years later, a young
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girl did a DNA test on ancestry dot com and
ultimately found that the mother of the baby, which was
her biological grandmother, and it led to her biological grandmother
being charged with murder and involuntary manslaughter.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
That that's crazy, Yeah, but that's if that's the actual
same case. Yes, so now we need to know because
we don't know if the other one was from Michigan
in that year.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah. I was like, there's no way that these aren't connected,
because like the first listener is little like I can't
believe this happens all the time. And then I get
this email minutes later, and I'm like, this has to
be the same case. So you guys tell us if
it is the same case, because I am curious with
how weird and how crazy that this person did the
DNA test found that their grandmam was like this child's mother.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
So I just want to know, like you, they did
the ancestry case, but like how did they know? How
did they connect.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
It to.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
The missing.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Baby, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'm like, I'm curious. I mean, I believe that that's
how it got started, but yeah, said it is some
more they would it would just pop up and say like, oh,
this is your this is your grandma, Like right, Like,
how would it get connected to that unless investigators connected it, baby,
that I mean, that has to be what happened, right,
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But let.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Us know if the cases they are connected and give
us some more details on how they found this, Like
all right, this this an update from Mariah who wrote
in a while back. I wrote in a few months
ago about my friend who was selling candles on Facebook
marketplace and the girl with the sketch profile that did
not even have a photo knew that she was pregnant
and wanted to hang out with her. Update. My friend
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Whaylan is such a sweet babe and looks like he
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has aunt Ladybird's hair lie.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Or lack thereof. She just has eyebrows that connect to
her hairline.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
We did have such a far hair, foreheaded, it was
so cute. And then he he has shoulder hair, which
is my favorite thing ever. But it's like starting to
go away, which makes me really sad.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well, when Maria was in labor, we were listening.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
To some Michael Jackson.
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Michael Jackson, Yeah, molestation charges, so that was some fare,
some light fair. Yeah, so thanks for listening to us
during your your laboring.
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I mean, I think at that time we were like,
I don't even remember what we said. I think we
were like, you have to move, which is so ridiculous.
If the Facebook marketplace person was showing up at your house,
but especially after seeing maternal instinct, how could you just
feel comfortable about somebody trying to hang out with you
knowing your par Yeah, I don't know. It's just so
scary to think about it is it really is. But
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the death of Senator Lindsey Graham
and all of the juicy conspiracy theories surrounding his death.
Then we have an update on a story we've been
talking about for the past couple of years involving a
doctor who intentionally drove his car off a cliff with
his wife and kids inside. If you remember, they all
(00:43):
miraculously survived. But this case is back in the news
this week because apparently his charges were dropped and his
wife wants him back, so we need to talk about this.
Then we'll have a couple incidents that happened on airplanes,
Maria's favorite topic, and nursing home employees who were sharing
pictures of patients genitals. Will finish up with your questions, comments, emails,
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all that and more on today's episode. Lindsay Graham, let's start.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
With that, all right. So over the weekend, Senator Lindsay
Graham died suddenly hours after returning from a trip to Ukraine.
He just turned seventy one last Thursday. Everybody was saying
it was shocking and sudden. I saw you were calling
something out on social media. What was that?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, I was just getting annoyed because everybody was saying
that he was murdered, and I'm like, he's a seventy
one year old male who just traveled like a huge trip, right,
So that means he was on an airplane for multiple
hours in a row, and all that we knew at
the time was that he said he had chest pain
(01:49):
and then he dropped dead essentially, right. And I always
say that there's only a few things in the world
that can make you drop dead like that. It's completely
not out of the realm of possibility for a seventy
one year old man to drop dead like that. It
happens every single day, all the time. Anybody that's listening
right now who is either a paramedic, AMS person or
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who is working in the hospital can tell you that, right.
So everybody saying that he was murdered, it it just
didn't make any sense to me. I personally, if I
could have guessed, which I did, I would have said
that he had a pulmonary embolism because he was just
on that really long flight and that's you know, when
you're sitting down for a long period of time. If
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you have any kind of underlying cardiovascular thing, especially a
clotting thing, that would predispose you to that, that would
be the most likely situation. But what actually happened to
him was that he had a dissecting aortic aneurysm. So
that is even more non suspicious to me. As far
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as like a foreign entity try to kill him, I
don't know how you could give that to somebody, you know. Well,
I mean think about everything, like you have proved time
and time again that Diddy could not have possibly killed
kim Porter, and people just refuse to believe it. Yeah,
it's interesting, and like listen, that was another thing I
(03:20):
was just thinking about, like if he was poisoned or
whatever people are saying. I just want to say, like, well,
with what, because if you poison someone, it's not usually
it's not like how it is in the movies, you know,
in the Princess Bride where the guy's like ha ha
ha and then he falls over and dies. You know,
it's like either you're sick for a while leading up
(03:43):
to it, or it happens you know, fairly quickly after
you take it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
But not.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's not just like you're fine and then you're not
kind of thing like that. But I mean there are
like I would say, cocaine, for example, is a drug
that could make that happen. It wouldn't cause it to happen.
But like, this is what I'm trying to say. The
bottom line is is that this guy had diseased blood vessels. Right,
(04:10):
he had arterior sclerosis. They said it on the autopsy.
So when you you think about your blood vessels, all
of your arteries, but especially a orders, your biggest artery,
it's made of three layers, right, it has an inside
layer and then a muscle layer, and then an outside layer.
So the inside layer when it gets damaged, right when
it gets arteriosclerosis, is when it gets hardened because of
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high blood pressure, uh, cholesterol, things like that. Just being older,
he's seventy one, he's older, like even though we know
a lot of seventy one year old people that are
young seam and he was young seeming, but like he's.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
In his body's old job for decades.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah. So like, so when you have that damage to
your blood vessel, when I I've seen such severe cases
of it, when I do an auto that it's literally
like crunchy. It looks like it like little flakes of
corn flakes on the inside of the aort it. It's
that crunchy like you sometimes have a difficult time cutting
it with a blader with scissors. It's that crunchy. And
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that damage causes a tear on that inner layer where
the blood is going against right, and then the blood
could go inside that tear and basically dissect up in
between the inside layer and the middle layer, causing like
a new lumin where that blood is not going through
to the rest of your body. It's going inside of
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this new lumen that it has created, right, And that's
called a dissecting aneurysm. So when you have your aorta
is huge, It comes off of your heart and then
it loops up and then it goes down all the
way down your backbone, it goes throughout your whole entire body.
So the closer that happens to the heart, the worst
prognosis you have. So I know that a lot of
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people were saying, you know, because it was a little
bit of an unusual situation because apparently he called someone
that was like a staff member of someone and said
that he was having this problem instead of just calling
nine on one, which I thought was weird if he
thought he was really having a problem that bad. But
that person then called nine on one. Paramedics show up
(06:17):
to the house and it's it's locked, so they had
to break into the house. So it took them like
twenty five minutes to get in.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I saw it was twenty five minutes before CPR started,
which I was like, that is a really long time.
I mean, maybe it seems stupid when you're in an
actual emergency, but maybe it was to try to avoid
some type of PR crisis or something.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Possibly, but regardless, like it doesn't matter, Like none of
that matters. You could have a dissecting aortic aneurysm at
the hospital in front of a surgeon and still die
from it. It's a very especially depending on the location,
it's a very deadly condition. I used to work with
a guy who had one who actually survived it, but
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it's not unusual for people to die from that. Actually,
John Ritter died from that when he was fifty three
years old.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So is this something like he knew he had or
he might have just had other heart problems and this
was evolving over time or Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Like the thing is is that he I doubt that
he knew he had it. He probably didn't know he
had it. He could have known that he might have
had like some disease in his coronary arteries for example,
because you usually don't get disease in just one artery.
It affects all of them throughout your body. So when
you do an autopsy, if you see it in someone's
coronary arteries, you're gonna see it in their carotid arteries
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and in their a ord. It like it's a whole picture.
And it's possible that he might have known that he
had some kind of problem, but like it's not. It
doesn't mean that he wasn't going to the doctor and
getting it treated. It's just like it's just a freak
thing like that. Many people don't have this condition happen
and died from it. So CPR wasn't gonna help him,
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Like he was just gonna.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Die like that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I don't really see any poison in the world
or whatever people are saying that. I just can't think
of any scenario that someone could intentionally cause someone to
die from that, because this is something you see grossly
at autopsy. It's not mistaken for anything else. It's like
saying to me, like I'm gonna give you cancer like
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or something, you know, like which I guess in theory,
I mean could if you see someone, Yeah, like it's
just like a It's like it's just like a weird thing.
I'm gonna give you kidney disease. Like you can't. You
can't give that to somebody. It's just it's not possible.
The only like I said, the only drug that could
exacerbate that, so if he had it, because what causes
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it to happen to push you over the edge to
make it finally go through and potentially burst, is when
your blood pressure is high. So yeah, it could have
been just from the flight and traveling. I mean, I imagine
traveling to Ukraine as a high stress situation between I
know they don't go on like regular airplane, it's probably right,
but just traveling in general can raise people's blood pressure
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and just going up and the altitude and everything like that,
like that could have aggravated the condition.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think they Yeah, like I guess he flies on
a special government plane and everything, but like you just
have to think it's still an airplane and it's still
the same type of thing, and then there's like you know,
it's kind of like an act of war zone over there.
So that stressfully is a high powered government job, which
is also stressful that he's worked in four decades.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I think when it comes to like they can well
and and I mean, like listen, a lot of people
want to kill the dude, So I understand why the
conspiracies are happening. It's like it's just funny because when
you're like online, it's it's people are saying it's Russia.
It's literally it's Russia, it's Ukraine, it's Iran, and it's Israel.
Like it it's every single person wants to kill him.
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So and I believe that they are doing the autopsy
is still penning because he just died, so they're still
doing toxicology and like maybe they will come up with something,
but like the fact is is that that's not what
killed him. He died from this dissecting annuals.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Less the medical examiner for it was falsified. I think
what they get.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That they're just putting it out there to keep everybody
quiet and not going nuts. For a couple of days,
they just don't do that. Like I understand, I understand
like where people think that, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I don't know. I think in general, with somebody that's
like a celebrity or fully immersed in pop culture or
politician whatever, that there's always going to be conspiracy theories.
I mean, I will forever cite this, like Bob Saget
died in a pretty straightforward way, and people still to
this day are refusing to believe that he just slipped
and fell and hit his head, like it's not that complex.
And you have this guy that's like pretty hated by
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a lot of people, right, so like everybody wants to
just think so much into it. Something I noticed about
everything going on with Charlie Kirk in court too. I
don't know if you've noticed this or maybe it's something
I'm missing in my postpart and brains all over the place,
but I've I feel like when there's other cases being
covered in the news, they'll just say, like the person's name,
(11:05):
like Brian Coberger on the stand, blah blah blah blah blah.
But I've noticed in this case with Charlie Kirk, it
says suspected Charlie Kirk killer. Everything says alleged, suspected. It
doesn't just say the kid's name, which, well, I don't
know if we see that all the time or I've
just been noticing it more than ever, because as we know,
there's a thousand conspiracy theories behind that case.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, and just for those of you who aren't in
the grosser room and listen to our YouTube live every week,
we get heavily into some of these things. Yeah, I
mean that's that's like a whole I mean, we could
do a whole episode on that, because I think that
in general, like news organizations or just anyone in general,
even us, like low level people, you're supposed if somebody
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isn't convicted in a court of law, you're supposed to
say alleged.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
No. You like, no, you are supposed to say that.
But I like, maybe this is how it's reported and
the headlines are all the time, but I've just noticed
it more in this case because there's so many conspiracies
that this kid actually did not kill him. But I
just feel like they will usually use the killer's name,
like Ted Bundy did that. Well, Ted Bundy was convicted,
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but you know what, I'm trying to say, like Brian
Coberg before he made the plea deal and pleaded guilty,
like they were just saying Brian Coper, Like everybody knows
this kid's name, And I notice every single article says
alleged killer, suspected killer, Like I just think it's a.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Really do you know why people are doing that? This
is my opinion because I think that, like you, if
you believe the government at face value that all of
the information that they presented in court this week, you
would say, Okay, he definitely, like Tyler Robinson, definitely did
it right. But everyone in the world, I don't care
(12:55):
who you are, has a little bit of doubt in
the government now little to a lot. I'm more on
the a lot. I would say more than ever, right, okay,
Like every single person has some percentage of it. And
I think that regardless of how crazy some of these
conspiracy theories are, you can't ignore some of the stuff
that it is just a little weird and unusual. And
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I think that people just leave that little bit of
a hair so if it does turn out to be
the other way, that they won't look like they were
totally wrong or reporting the wrong thing.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, let's also not forget who his attorney is, which
is the same woman that represented Corey Richins, who did
not call any witnesses for the defense and just rested
immediately when the state was done presenting their case. So
if that's how she's gonna go about doing trials, I
don't know what's gonna happen with this.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm like, I'm really interested in that particular case because
it just there are just some things that like that.
I was actually talking to Lauren Conlin about this because
sometimes they'll text with her, and I'm just kind of like,
I just like, there's a lot of different parts of
the case that I'm kind of like, I don't know,
that's weird, that's weird. But the biggest thing to me
(14:08):
is like the text message thing, Like I just can't.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Get over it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And it's not it's not like the weird conversation that
they were having with each other that doesn't sound like
kids talking to each other because me and Gabe always
we talk to each other like kind of weird. So
like if you read our text me too, yeah, Like
I feel like, like, yeah, so do we like me?
You you say, like me and Gabe talking like.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
You talk in like zodiac dealer ciphers.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
We do. We have like ciphers and like guys exactly
notes around their house that are just like a bunch
of letters and you're like, I know what that says.
I do because I'm weird, well, because we have our
own language. But aside from that though, like we we
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read the Frankenstein book like along on one of our
road trips, right, and it's it's just like it's funny,
like the way that they talk, and especially when they're
describing the monster.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Like you did this to me and you are you know.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Like just this dramatic thing. And sometimes like we talk
to each other and I'll just like every time I
text him, I'm like, dinner's ready, my love, and he goes, okay,
my love, I'll be right there. Like we literally talk
like that to each other. It's not that part of it.
It's the part of it that's just like the confessional
that hits every single point of evidence that they have.
(15:33):
It's just weird, Like if you're talking to someone and
saying like I did this cry and you wouldn't be
like and I was waiting on the roof and there
was a police officer there and I just waited and
I put the gun down on the ground, and like
it's it's spelled out, so it's step by step exactly
what happened, and it just matches up with all of
(15:53):
the evidence they have, and I just think it's so bizarre,
and like any person that's ever investigated any would be like,
this is weird. It's all weird, and the and the
wife too is fucking weird. I'm sorry, like I feel
bad for the situation, but like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, she's acting. She's acting very.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Weird for a widow and and listen, like it's it's
one of the biggest things and this is so silly.
You guys are gonna think that this is ridiculous that
I even like pick up on this. But she she
like within the first couple of days of going on air,
I'm gonna say this, like whenever I've gone to a funeral,
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like we went to a firefighter's funeral for one of
our firemen recently, like I don't I'm not going and
wearing makeup because or least mascarett and like my normal
blush because I know when I cry, it wipes all
off and I look like a clown. Like literally, right
when you go to a funeral, you don't, like, you
(16:54):
don't wear that much makeup because of that. I think
any woman in the world knows that, Right, why is
she going on the news and this and that with
she's got like evening where like wedding, smoky eye, crazy
makeup on crying with the little tear, with.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
The with the tissue.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's like like it's so I'm like, why the fuck
are you wearing so much eye makeup right now? If
you're gonna be crying every five minutes, which I understand
you would be crying every five minutes if your husband
just got murdered. Like the whole thing of it is
just with the rings and this and that. Like I'm
just kind of like, why is your mind even like
there to get your makeup done and shit before you
(17:35):
go on TV? Like it's weird to me.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I don't know, Like I do think it's weird. But
then again, it's like she's constantly on television and everything,
and you have to think of the criticism that comes
along with that. So like I think people just get
in that mode of like but then never never mind
be cause I'm gonna contradict my own point by being like, well,
Savannah Guthrie is on the news the most major news
(17:57):
channel every single morning, and she wasn't even wearing me
make up in certain videos talking about her mother who's missing. Right,
So if you want to put them along the same line.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Because that's because when you like, just think about if
you've cried heavily with makeup on, like it look it
looks ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well maybe it's just.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like I don't well and it's like this weird, like
it's this weird, like pulling out this tissue and just
like touching the edge a little bit, and I'm like, nah, dude,
if you were crying like hardcore, that shit would be
running down your face. It's not like you have a
good makeup artist, Like you have black hole around your eyes,
and it's just I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Maybe that was intentional because then if she does lose it,
it looks better for her if her makeup's all distraught,
because it's like, oh, look at her, like she's in distress.
I don't know, like I I don't I don't follow
many political things, so like I don't really know what's
going on, but I have seen many people's supporters and
not supporters being like her behavior is really weird for somebody. Yeah,
(18:55):
and his husband just got assassinated, like on video, and
there's like it's going viral all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, like I don't know. I just think like
the whole thing of it is just so weird for
so it's hard for me to be And maybe this
happened when JFK got shot too, I don't freaking know,
Like maybe everybody was just like, she sucks, she's not
acting right this that or the other. I mean, she
did jump on the back of the car and grab
pieces of his brain. I would say that most people
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would say that that's not acting right when you have
some kind of trauma like that, who knows how you're
gonna act and stuff. It's just like, I don't know.
I just think that you're getting so much criticism, like
just go away. You have money, just like go away
and like the criticism will stop. It's just like you're
(19:43):
you're inviting this drama on yourself exactly, like and maybe
it's just like this this need for just like I
need attention right now because this is so horrific and
I can't get through this by myself. Maybe I don't know,
but all right, anyway, let's get back to Lindsay Graham
because there's something juicy that happened with this. So number one,
speaking of I didn't even plan on talking about this
(20:05):
for all this time on this episode. But there's there's
all this stuff going on with another senator, Mitch mcconnald.
You know about that, well, like the picture and all
that about it.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I just know that people think he's dead and then
they like posted this proof of like photo basically from
the hospital and people are still not believing.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It because it's AI. It like it looks like AI.
It's so crazy anyway, So there's all that, and then
so there's this transgender author and like she's an influencer
person Jesse James Rose posted this right after Senator Lindsey
Graham died, saying that now this is just like not confirmed,
(20:45):
but this person is saying that this happened, right because
like and a lot of people are like, oh, I
guess he's dead, like an NDA might have expired or whatever.
But this is what she posted on on I don't
know if it was on X or on her Instagram whatever,
but it said quote Jo just woke up to find
out that Lindsay Graham is dead. Lol. Most of you
(21:05):
know him as a homophobic senator from South Carolina, but
to me, he will always be the man who paid
a twinkie pre transition college student. And then it's like
the emoji rais in their hand a fat stack of
cash to do unspeakable things to him in a hotel
room while he wore red lingerie.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean, wow, listen, that's obviously like being alleged and everything,
but I will say, in my opinion, I find that
most of the time, these people that are like staunchly
against certain things are the ones doing it in private.
So it's like that's just my opinion of not saying
anything was going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
But in the so it's just like, you know what,
I just enjoy about it. Like you, if you think
about like watching c SPAN or something, it's like a
total snooze fest. It's it's like throughout history, it's just
been the most boring ever unless you're super into it.
And I'm like, no, this is all. It's all like
super entertaining. Between that and the fake Mitch McConnell thing.
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And I think that Mitch McConnell. Thing's even weirder because
people have gotten the records from when the first responders
went to his house and it said that the person
was in cardiac arrest and got CPR, And this.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Dude's just like, nah, I just don't feel good.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I'm fine, Like I don't have any if he.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Died, Like if he did die or he wasn't doing well,
why wouldn't they just say it like who cares?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I don't know, because it's probably has something to do
with like if his spock gets lost. I don't freaking know.
I don't follow that shit.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I just think it's in thousand years old. Why are
these people weird?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like we're just like he's I think he's in his
his eighties at least, if not high eighties. And you're
just like that would not nobody would judge you if
you had a heart attack, Like it's okay, you could
say you had a heart attack. The whole thing of
it is just it's so posed like he's whole, Like
they have him holding a newspaper that's supposed to look
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like it's like this week's newspaper, as like the proof
that he's alive, and you're just like, yeah, that shit
flew like twenty years ago, bro Like, and all these
people are posting pictures of themselves holding the same exact
newspaper like it's just like.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I thought, Jimmy Kimmel put his face on top of it.
Everybody is it's amazing, Like it's great. All right, let's
let's move on, because we could talk about this for hours.
So this doctor, I just like can't stop talking about
this story. We should do a high profile dissection on
this because nobody actually died, but it's it's a pretty
crazy story how it started and how it ended. No,
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it is so we report on this case before. So
this doctor drove his family off a cliff and their tesla,
and if you guys remember the car data was actually
it would have proved that he did it intentionally, even
though he said it was an accident, because they all
they dropped off this three hundred foot cliff and then
they ended up surviving, which is like miraculous in and
of itself. But when they did the investigation, if you
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guys remember the tesla data said that he intentionally drove
the car off of the cliff.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So and the wife said when the first responder showed up.
The wife was like, he said he was going to
drive off the cliff and kill usly.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah, so in the car was him, his wife, and
his two kids, who were four and seven years old.
So at the time he was facing three counts of
attempted murder, but that last Monday, the judge dismissed the
charges after receiving reports from his doctor indicating he was
doing well in a mental health diversion program. And now
his wife has decided she's going to try to make
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their marriage work.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
All right, so let's let's talk about that for a second.
A second. So prosecutor said that he did this because
he was depressed.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Wait, it's not just depressed, they said doctors testified he
was experiencing hallucinations, hearing footsteps, and believed his children had
been sex trafficked, allegedly provoked by the nation's no crisis,
the war in the Ukraine, and as fear as his
children could be kidnapped and molestic connected to his worries
about Jeffrey Epstein, who had been dead for three years
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when this occurred.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, So so he's just like, listen, like, I actually
believe that this is possible because I think a lot
of people are having these mental health crises, like over
over stuff that has nothing to do with them, like
a lot of people. So it like and it's like
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it's hitting all of the major things. It's it sounds
like he was on social media like all day, falling
into like loopholes of of just like rabbit holes, I
want to say, like thinking that the world was going
to end, Like I believe that for sure. I guess
the weird thing is is that the judge allowed this
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guy to go into something called It's California's Mental Health
Diversion program, where he spent two years in treatment from
a Stanford psychiatrist and a family therapist and lived under
supervision with his parents. So he was never in jail
and he complied with with what he was supposed to do,
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and under the law, the judge had to drop all
of the charges.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Okay, Like I have problems with this for many reasons
because so now that the charges are dropped, he he
can't get he can't get tried or whatever for this anymore.
Like it's done, so he's clear of this, right, So,
like if he gets out of this mental health program
and he doesn't have to be in a facility or whatever,
Like he's just gonna move back in with his wife
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and they're gonna just start playing happy family again. And
then it's like, oh, remember that dead that they dad
tried to kill us all and drop off the cliff.
Like I don't know. I'm just saying, like, if he
had this problem and he's not gonna remain in treatment
or medicated throughout his whole life, what's to stop him
from doing something like this again? What's to stop other
people people that are having these fears from doing something
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and using it as an excuse. Well, I mean you
could go on and say that a lot of people
who who do this are are in this situation where
they're having some kind of severe mental distress. I mean
there's murder suicides a lot of the times, Like obviously
a lot of times it's because of just domestic fighting
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between couples and things like that, but sometimes you see
it with the kids and everything else that people are
like it's over money or it's over this or that.
I don't know, Like I could argue it both ways,
because in one sense, it's like, clearly, this guy doesn't
seem like the type of man that needs to be
like in prison because he's a threat to society next necessarily,
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But are you sure about that? Because like he wasn't
making a rational decision and try to kill his whole family.
So what's the stop for a couple of years if
he's unmedicated from going out in public and trying to
kill people out in public.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I mean, I guess, I guess he's a high like
higher risk, but he doesn't seem like he doesn't seem
like he's like a menace to society, like like you
would think of a person that needs to be in jail, right,
But I mean, I just I just feel like you
could really argue this with any kind of case of
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of somebody. And we talked about this when we interviewed
that doctor Leslie what's going to say Dobson? When we
interviewed her about like, I just was trying to ask,
like is there what is there? Just like, is there
such thing as a person that's just evil versus a
person with a mental health thing? And they and she
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seems to think that there's a difference. But wouldn't you
even say, like someone like Brian Coberger, for example, who
just went and and slaughtered for people for absolutely no reason,
with no a parent even ties to these people, Like
wouldn't you say that that was an underlying mental health
something too, Like maybe he doesn't fall into a DSM
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category of something, but like clearly something's off with him.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, this is what I'm getting it, Like I'm stressed
by the war overseas, but like if I kill somebody,
I could just be like, well, I was stressed about
the war overseas, or like I'm worried my kid's gonna
get kidnapped in the back of my head, so if
I do something irrational, I could just be like, well,
I was scared by beautiful little baby boy was gonna
get kidnapped. Like anybody is gonna use this as an excuse,
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and I don't like it. There needs to be some
more regulation over this.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It's like it seems it's like so social media induced psychosis.
It's just interesting because it's not. It's not one thing,
it's like multiple different things that I feel like if
you talk to most people, they would say, you know,
they would be more stressed out about one thing versus
the other. But I feel like if you I interview
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any single person living in the country right now, there's
something that they're stressed out about, whether it's like wars
or or COVID stuff or money stuff, you know what
I mean, Like, I just.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Think something to be stressed out about in their life.
It doesn't mean you could just go do irrational things.
Obviously he's dealing with a severe mental health situation. I
just like, I don't know how to feel about it too,
because I'm saying, like I agree with you, you could argue
it both ways. Like I don't know what I would
do if this was my husband who I'm madly in
love with, and this happened and he was dealing with
a severe mental health crisis. But at the same time,
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is it responsible of her to leave her kids and
his care or leave her kids alone with him? Like
would he literally tried to kill all of them? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I mean cause like I always say that mental health
isn't treated. It's never really treated the same as other
as other health issues. And even in the healthcare industry,
like you could just go and get treatment for pan
greast cancer and usually not have that much money to pay.
It's a covered by most insurances at least when I
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say not that much money, like under thousands of dollars whatever.
But like mental health stuff, sometimes it doesn't get covered
at all. And it's like, if you want to go
every single week and get therapy, which you should, if
you're really having a serious issue, you should be getting
therapy and seeing psychiatrists psychologists that are professionals instead of
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just getting medicine from your family doctor. Right, So, if
you were doing the right thing and going to that,
like sometimes that stuff isn't even covered. It's cash. You
can't find anybody, it's hard to get an appointment, things
like that, and that's a really unfortunate situation. And maybe
they were able to prove that he was trying to
get help and he couldn't get help, because really, we
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could say the same exact thing about this Lindsey Clancy
woman who killed her three children because of the prescription
medications she was on, or that's at least what her
defense team is fighting for her, and the prosecution is
saying like, no, you cold blooded, like killed your three children, right,
And I'm kind of on the side of her in
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that case, like I one hundred percent believe she was
having postpartum depression psychosis, and then on top of that,
they gave her a crazy cocktail of medications. So like me,
I don't really know that about this case, that he
wasn't getting the same kind of treatment and the same
thing happened.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we're missing that piece of
information because something we did talk about on YouTube recently
was that her team is claiming she took all these
steps to get help, and they had proof that she
was going all these extra steps to try to get
help and was being blown off. So like that's why
you could have a little bit of leniency in that case.
I guess maybe if we see that in this case,
I'll feel a different way about it. I just feel like, Okay,
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this guy just not even like three years ago to
try to kill his whole family and now he's just
gonna go back to live in like cute suburban family life,
Like that didn't just happen. I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's it's the same exact thing though with Lindsey Clancy.
Like it's like her I believe that her husband is
supporting her even though she killed his three children, right,
And it's like when you when you see the person
that you love that they're out of that and she
and listen like this wife, this isn't like this wasn't
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like a surprise kind of I'm sure that there's been.
It's not like he was perfectly normal and then drove
off a cliff like I'm sure she's been dealing with
shit with this guy for years. Whatever it is like,
it's it wasn't like a sudden Oh my god, he
was totally fine. This is shocking, Like you live with
a person and you get to know that how they
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are and stuff like that. But I mean, I don't know,
like her kids were so little, she says that the
kids want him home to they were four and seven better.
They don't even they don't even know what happened. I
don't even they might be like, oh that time I
got an accident, Like do you think she was like
your dad intentionally tried to kill us?
Speaker 1 (34:02):
No, I don't know. Because modern parenting, I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Listen, transparent the best. The best part of it is
like they're gonna become ten years old and have access
to Google, and then they're gonna get some hard truths
real fast.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well exactly, I don't know, Like it is one of
those you just don't know how to feel. I do
kind of think it's insane that they're just gonna go
back to living normal life. Like what if he stops
taking his meds and then does it all over again
or actually kills one of them. I don't know, because
that's a problem you could argue about any person dealing
with a mental health health crisis. Like look at the
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Nick Reiner case. They had been dealing with that for years,
and he had been in and out of facilities and everything,
and it still didn't help. So what what do you do?
I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I don't know, but I do I do understand, like
if if you could treat cases like this on an
individual basis. I just don't really I don't really see
the point of like like him being in the prison
system either, kind don't you know, I don't think he
needs to be, Like I feel like, I feel like
the prison system needs to be for people who were
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like borderline animals that like that can't be in society
because you know, they these people that have been arrested
fifty times and like just you're just kind of like, dude,
you're not fitting in here, Like you can't be here
that kind of a thing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I don't think he needs to be in prison. I
just think, I mean, I guess they're saying he lived
in a facility for like two and a half years
to get treatment. But is that long enough? Is the question?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well he got so he's not allowed to practice medicine anymore,
thank god.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Because which is do you want a radiologist that tried
to kill? Is that what he was? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I mean I I was it radiated?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Was it explicit?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Listen? Like, I I literally think that he would be
completely competent to do his job whatever. I don't care
if he was good, I wouldn't give a ship.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
But like, but it's question of do you want a
doctor that has that history a radiologist?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You don't even see the radiologists through a room reading
your film, but theyah, he went he went nuts because
he sits in a little room all day and looks
at pictures. That's probably what happened. But I don't know.
Like they gave him his passport back, like he's travel
Well maybe hebe, he'll come on our show. I don't
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want to interview somebody like this.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I do, all right, Okay. A passenger on a Ryanair
flight from Greece to Germany was partially sucked out of
the plane window because it broke soon after takeoff. I
don't think I need to say what kind of aircraft
this is. If you've been a listener of this show
for a while, I think you can assume it was.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's so funny because as soon as I saw the
news report, I don't even care about the details. I
scroll through the article to be like Jesus Christ, you're
giving Maria more ammunition here? What kind of airplane was this? Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Shock?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Or it was a Boeing? Aren't there only like two airplanes?
So like air Bosses and Boeings are there any I.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Mean, they're the two major companies, but there are more
companies then it's like a fifty to fifty chance. They
say Airbus has had less problems, not that they've had
no problems. They've had horrific issues in the past. I'm
just saying you don't see them in the news as
often for having issues.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Like are there as many of them in rotation as Bowing?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I believe so. I mean you could get one just
as easily as a Boeing when you're booking a flight. Anyway,
if you guys recall in twenty eighteen, Southwest flight thirteen
eighty a woman actually died named Jennifer Reridon in a
similar situation. So that was also a Boeing seven thirty
seven where the engine failed and then the metal covering
of the engine.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Wait it was the same plane.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Well, I don't know if it was the same exact
like like.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The model, like the same.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Exact aircraft, but yeah, it was the same model as
Boeing seven thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah, well, is it possible
that that's an issue?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Well, this is what I'm getting at. So it was
an issue where the engine failed and then the metal
covering over the engine like peeled off and the shrapnel
flew into the window which broke it and literally sucked
this woman like she didn't fully come out of the window,
but enough that it killed her. And if you remember,
I did a dissection on this case, so you could
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see like blood on the side of the plane and stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, we have a high profile dissection on this with
some pictures. It actually happened in Philly, so that's where
her autopsy was done. She had blunt trauma all over
her body, her torso, arms and legs. She was she
was belted in, I believe. So that's like, I mean,
imagine like your body being he was too, but he
(38:42):
was they were able to pull him back in right away. Yeah,
and maybe it was different depending on how high up
they were as far as the pressure changes in the
cabin or something.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah. So in this case, similar a window had broken
by a piece of debris that detached from one of
the planes engines. A sixty one year old man was
up with the SIPA on. They said he was sucked
out partially to his neck and shoulder. That's where he
got injuries, and he had friction burns, but nothing worse, luckily.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Dude, Like, I can, do you ever look at an
airplane window, because ever since that one happened with the
Southwest flight, I always look at the window and I'm like,
I don't even think that my hips would make it
through the clearance of this window.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So some airlines facing a lawsuit and I don't remember
off the top of my head, but because they're selling
window seats at an upcharge price, and then I guess
they reconfigured the rows so when you're actually in the seat,
that's that you've paid more money to sit in the window. Seat,
there's actually no window in the aisle. It's like, oh,
that's happened to me before. You like, it's like halfway
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in the back and halfway in the front. What don't
you feel differently about it now?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
No, Yeah, I'd actually prefer that one because you have
a little bit of window, but not enough to get.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Sucked out of exactly. I mean, how does this happen?
And if this has happened now two times with Boeing
seven thirty sevens, they need to do an investigation as
to white is happening. I mean, debris should not just
be like flying off of the engine's midflight.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
But they'll say, and I don't even know if this
is like a stat that you could look up how
many seven thirty sevens have taken flights. It's it's in
the millions. I'm sure, oh for sure. And then they'll say, okay,
we've had two times it happened. It's like it's it's
a non issue.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, but it's two times. On top of you know
that that door flying off that Alaska Airlines flight and
all these other problems that was a very one What
was that like last spring? I guess spring of twenty
five we just had a Boeing story every single week.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
I I just like, if anything like that happened to me,
it would just I would just be like, I'm never
going on a plane again. That would be the end
of it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, Ricky was on a flight one time going to
Texas and there was a five or underneath in the
cargo because somebody's like vape caught on fire and the
luggage and they had to make an emergency landing and
he was like, I couldn't fly for years after that.
It scared me so bad. Yeah, So I don't know.
I feel like, yeah, everybody said they heard a loud bang,
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and then they thought the emergency exit door opened, which
there's been a lot of stories about people passengers trying
to open those lately, like going crazy and trying to
open those. So I think everybody thought that's what happened,
and then they realized, oh no, just one of the
passengers is partially sucked out of the windows. I don't
understand it all right. Three nursing home employees have been
set into jail time after snapchatting photos of their patients
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genitals and videos of themselves posing with and mocking dead patients.
So one of these women was already sentenced and serving
a twelve year sentence, and now the other two have
been sentenced to ten years in prison after pleading guilty
to charges of conspiracy and elder abuse.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's just so it's so disturbing. Just I don't like
I keep reading over this case and I'm just like,
I don't even understand what the point of this was.
Apparently this this other person was working with these two
and noticed on snapchat that the woman was taking pictures
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of someone's pubic hair, like an elderly person's pubic hair,
and like twisting it and writing comments like oh, I'm
trying to make a mohawk.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
What. So then that person saw the snapchat and reported
it to police, which is awesome, Like why, Like why.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I don't know. And then it says a search of
the women's phones produced more videos, including videos of patients
going to the bathroom or images of their genitals or breasts.
One of them was even seen laying next to a
dead patient, mocking the woman's facial expression.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I didn't understand this.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I was thinking about this and getting really upset because
I'm like, you know a lot of older people that
are in nursing homes, like don't want to be there,
and they're probably really depressed and it's isolated, especially if
you have a family that doesn't come visit you. And
then you have the and you're like, some people are
totally incapacitated and you're totally reliant on the staff working
there to take care of you. And then to think
that you're conscious of what's going on and these idiots
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are just like making fun of you or violating your
privacy like that, it's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
It's just weird. Like I don't and I always say
this too, like it would be very weird that that
woman was taking these pictures and posting them on Snapchat,
but the fact that there's another person that's involved with
this as well, it's just like, you know, I've worked
in a hospital situation. It's just like, how do you
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meet a friend at work that you're both like, oh,
let's do this really terrible thing together, not even both
like three people were involved, and also are they just dumb?
Like why would you post that on social media? Like
you think that you wouldn't get caught, Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
I don't know what's going on, Like I was talking
to MoMA about this yesterday, because you know, she her algorithm.
She says, her algorithm thinks she's pregnant because she's been
looking up so much baby stuff. But we were just
talking about like all these parenting videos you get and
all this shit you're supposed to do for your babies.
And I'm like, they're trying to argue today that you
should do all this stuff to stimulate your baby's brain,
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like have these like tummy time toys and read them
books and do all this shit, right, But I would
argue that all these children since these rules have come out,
are dumber than ever and less functional in society. They
don't think for themselves, So why am I gonna put
in all that effort that's gonna happen anyway. I'm just kidding,
but I just think it's like ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
There's a book it might be called The Comfort Crisis.
It's like, if that's what it is, it's like really
good explaining kind of that situation.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
How coddling your kids is totally ruining them for society.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I like every like a couple of people when I
was pregnant or like, are you reading Baby books to
him in the womb, and I'm like, no, we listen
to true crime books because I want be a genius.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Well, I think that their study is that show that
that that that's helpful, But.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Who are these children that it's helping, because I'm thinking
of these kids that are teenagers that in their twenties
when these rules started coming into play, and I don't
particularly think this is the genius generation.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Well it's certainly it's not, but that could be multifactorial
because of social media and also, like you know, COVID
just completely destroyed education that's going to just take a
while to recover from. Any Like now you're starting to
have kids that are going to be able to go
to school, hopefully from kindergarten through high school and not
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have a two year, two freaking year interruption because of
a pandemic. So you know, we're still in the middle
of like those kids like my I'm telling you, like
I was just saying this recently, Like my kids lost
two whole years of their childhood. It was like Lillian
had just turned seven years old and then it's like,
all of a sudden, she was like almost ten, and
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that's when the world like kind of started again like
it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
I know, I remember, because the COVID shutdown happened what
three days before her birthday. Yeah, and I remember facetiming
her like crying whatever, because I couldn't even see.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
That one day that one week that we were like, oh,
we're actually listening to the news and like believing them.
And then we were like, yeah, this is the dumbest
shit ever.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
And I want to thank the Philadelphia Health Inspector for
coming to my bar job the friday before shutdown because
you can't have the kitchen open when a health inspection
is in place. So I made forty dollars that day
because we didn't have a kitchen open and I didn't
know that I'd be out of work for the next
three to four months. So thank you for that. Absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Well, isn't that more the restaurants problem that the health
inspector showed up?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
No, they they come all the time. That was like
a violation.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
They just randomly show up at restaurants.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
They have to randomly show up because otherwise you could
just make it seem like you're clean all the time. Okay,
all right. Last in Argentina, a flight instructor jumped out
of a plane to his death, forcing the student pilot
on board to land the plane by herself.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yeah, that's like a really crazy situation. I guess he
just opened the door and was kind of like, you
know what you have to do? Carry on, And this
is like such an insane story. Like imagine if you
were just the same way in driving school, just learning
how to drive, and then the instructor was just like, yeah,
(47:46):
I'm gonna you're on the highway right now and I'm
jumping out of the car. You'll be fine, like handle it.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Well, that's interesting you brought that up because they're saying
this article that during an investigation, they're trying to understand
how he did it with such ease, apparently because it's
equivalent on this plane. It was a says No. One
point fifty g aircraft. They said, on this plane, it's
equivalent to jumping out of a car door while the
car driving approximately one hundred and twenty five miles an hour.
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So in this case, he said, you know what you
have to do, carry on, unbuckle his seat, removed, his
headset open the plane door. It just jumped out. And
then this twenty two year old is just supposed to
calmly land this plane while she just saw a man
commit suicide.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well she did, she did, but like it's the ultimate.
Like I remember when I was at the hospital and
I started learning how to do frozen sections, which is
like when they send specimens down while person's open and
in the operating room and under anesthesia, they're waiting for
our answer. So it's something that we have to do
very fast yet very accurately. And when I was learning
(48:48):
how to do it, one of the residents used to
like throw stuff at me when I was doing it,
and she'd be like, you're in war now, like you
need to be able to perform under these situations, and
like she would just like create all this chaos and
hassle and make noise like while I was doing it,
because she's like, it's never going to be like a
calm control situation. And it's just funny because if that
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woman was able to land the plane under that, like
she's going to be an awesome pilot. If she could
do that, she could do anything kind of thing totally.
So I guess behind the scenes, he had been dealing
with some severe mental health issues and they said he
had recently checked himself into a clinic, but nobody knew
that except his family.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
That reminded me that I don't remember what it was.
I was listening to some interview with a pilot over
one of these plane stories we were covering last year,
and they were saying in the interview that pilots often
will not report if they're having mental issues because if
they do, it means that they are flagged and they're
not allowed to fly anymore. So if they are having.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Mental health issues, yeah, I feel like we talked about
that for something. Yeah, they're most that guy that actually
tried to like pull the whole plane down.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So what I think it was that when we were
in that story, I had listened to an interview with
another pilot who was just saying that it's like actually
a huge problem in their field because if they report
any signs of mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah immediately, I mean I understand that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Which they should be, but like they don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
I don't know. This is just crazy that this girl
had to go through this, But at least she can
handle all right. On your questions and emails, if you
have stories or questions for us, please submit them to
stories at motherdosdeath dot com. First and from Melissa related
to a baby found in the porta potty. My grandmother
was a mortician.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
This is like a high, like the third comment we've
had on this case.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well, there's another submission after this that I think the
cases are maybe. I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
I was reading them and I was like, wait, this
is actually happening right now.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
But that's why I wanted to read both of these
back to back. So if either of these listeners know
if these cases are connected, I want to know, because
these emails came in minutes apart from each other, from
two completely different people. So I just want to know.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
There connected, all right? So Melissa says, my grandmother was
a mortician and ran a funeral home in a very
small town. She lived in a suite attached to the
funeral home. My grandmam was legit crazy. She used to
let me play in the coffin showroom and would shut
me in the coffins because she thought it was funny.
But that's a whole other.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Short cool Granny. That's how I'm gonna be with Whaylan.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
We were visiting for Thanksgiving One year, when I was
around nine or ten years old. We were in the
middle of Thanksgiving dinner when a police officer walked in
the door unannounced. He started telling my grandmother about a
dead baby that was found in the bottom of an
outhouse at a campground nearby. Everyone angrily left a dinner table,
except me and my grandmother. She calmly remained eating while
the officer talked about the level of decay on this
poor baby. I remember being too shocked to leave, but
(51:47):
also very curious. I had so many questions, and that
was when my interest in true crime formed. Now as
an adult, I'm still very interested in true crime, but
even though I'm childless by choice, I really struggle hearing
about crimes with children. Hearing this story at the festival,
it really brought me back to how I felt about
the baby in the bottom of the outhouse. It's absolutely
crazy to me to think that something like this could
(52:07):
happen more than once. So right after that, I get
an email from Charlene who says I was listening to
the story and it reminded me of a similar case
that happened back in nineteen ninety seven, where remains of
a newborn were found at an outdoor campground toilet in Michigan.
The case went cold, and the community named the baby
baby Garnet. Fast forward, twenty five years later, a young
(52:29):
girl did a DNA test on ancestry dot com and
ultimately found that the mother of the baby, which was
her biological grandmother, and it led to her biological grandmother
being charged with murder and involuntary manslaughter.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
That that's crazy, Yeah, but that's if that's the actual
same case. Yes, so now we need to know because
we don't know if the other one was from Michigan
in that year.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah. I was like, there's no way that these aren't connected,
because like the first listener is little like I can't
believe this happens all the time. And then I get
this email minutes later, and I'm like, this has to
be the same case. So you guys tell us if
it is the same case, because I am curious with
how weird and how crazy that this person did the
DNA test found that their grandmam was like this child's mother.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
So I just want to know, like you, they did
the ancestry case, but like how did they know? How
did they connect.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
It to.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
The missing.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Baby, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I'm like, I'm curious. I mean, I believe that that's
how it got started, but yeah, said it is some
more they would it would just pop up and say like, oh,
this is your this is your grandma, Like right, Like,
how would it get connected to that unless investigators connected it, baby,
that I mean, that has to be what happened, right,
(53:53):
But let.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Us know if the cases they are connected and give
us some more details on how they found this, Like
all right, this this an update from Mariah who wrote
in a while back. I wrote in a few months
ago about my friend who was selling candles on Facebook
marketplace and the girl with the sketch profile that did
not even have a photo knew that she was pregnant
and wanted to hang out with her. Update. My friend
(54:14):
did up deactivating her account for a little bit, and
this past Friday night, I woke up and checked my
phone just after midnight, knowing she was having contractions, and
she texted me at the same time to say she
was laboring. To mother knows death, she's as hooked as
I am and clean as the fetus is. Now little
Nora the newborn, you know that kid is going to
be cool after she was listening to on her way
(54:36):
into this world. Also shout out to my friend for
advocating for herself when doctors were being over zealous and
wanted to induce her at thirty seven weeks, claiming she
had IUGR. But our healthy girl was born right at
thirty nine and was twenty one and a half inches
and seven pounds three ounces. Congrats to you both as well.
Whaylan is such a sweet babe and looks like he
(54:56):
has aunt Ladybird's hair lie.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Or lack thereof. She just has eyebrows that connect to
her hairline.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
We did have such a far hair, foreheaded, it was
so cute. And then he he has shoulder hair, which
is my favorite thing ever. But it's like starting to
go away, which makes me really sad.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Well, when Maria was in labor, we were listening.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
To some Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Michael Jackson, Yeah, molestation charges, so that was some fare,
some light fair. Yeah, so thanks for listening to us
during your your laboring.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
I mean, I think at that time we were like,
I don't even remember what we said. I think we
were like, you have to move, which is so ridiculous.
If the Facebook marketplace person was showing up at your house,
but especially after seeing maternal instinct, how could you just
feel comfortable about somebody trying to hang out with you
knowing your par Yeah, I don't know. It's just so
scary to think about it is it really is. But
(55:55):
we love updates, So if you guys have updates for us,
please send them into the email. We want to know
what happened. If we gave you bad advice, we don't
want to know what happened. We try our best here. Okay,
thank you guys. Please seat up or head over to
applish Spotify. Leave us a five star review. Let me
start so again. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna cut
(56:16):
it at the end. Please Howard, oh my god, please
head over to applers Spotify and leave us a five
show review, subscribed to our YouTube channel and a few
stories or comments for us. Please smyth them stories at
mothernowsdath dot com.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
See yeah, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
(56:50):
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day, and the
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of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
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