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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a huge mistake CNN made when
they accidentally aired a tribute to Michael J. Fox's life
implying that he died. Then we'll get into how news
outlets pre record these things just waiting for a celebrity
to die. We have a really bizarre freak accident that
occurred when a family was cleaning their aquarium. Then we're
(00:44):
going to discuss an attempted murder involving a Hawaiian doctor
who has been found guilty of trying to kill his wife.
Fake ICUs and what a dead penis smells like. We'll
do all that, followed by your questions, comments and emails,
all that on today's episode. So this Michael, this Michael J.
(01:05):
Fox thing is like really messed up.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah. So Michael J. Fox is assuring everyone he is
very much alive after CNN released seemingly an accidental tribute
video about him called Remembering the Life of Actor Michael J.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Fox. I feel like this happened before, and I couldn't
figure out who it happened to. But this discussion I
remember came up years ago because apparently they just make
all of these things for these really high profile actors,
and they just especially ones who are sick or have
a chronic disease, which is just really messed up to
(01:41):
think about that They're just waiting for you to die
so they could be the first to post the tribute
about you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I guess I first learned about this because it
actually made fun of it on an episode of thirty
Rock where they were making it, and I'm like, that
can't possibly be true, and it is. I mean, from
a TV perspective, it does makes sense because if somebody dies,
you want to be the first one that has it out.
You're not gonna have all the time it takes to
be like what were their best moments in these films
or these interviews? Right, Like you want to just keep
(02:11):
and what the magic behind it is. They just like
kind of keep adding on to it, so if they
do a new celebrity interview or they do a new
movie or something, they'll just keep adding those clips into
it over time. But like to accidentally release it is
kind of really unacceptable, especially for somebody like him that's
had this illness for decades and he's had to struggle
(02:33):
with that. And then it's like you're putting out this
fake video that he has died, and it's just very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, it really is. So let's talk a little bit
about Michael J. Fox. I loved him. I've always loved him.
He's sixty. He's sixty four right now, which he's just crazy.
He's young. But at the same time, it's just as
you get older, you're not at that age up. But
I just feel like in the past five years or so,
I started you just see like Brad Pitt and all
(03:01):
these people that in your mind are visually young people,
and they're just like when I was in my twenties,
I would consider a sixty four year old to be
an old person, you know, And now you're like, oh wait,
they're not that much older than me. So I mean,
he's like less than I mean, I don't know. I
just think when I'm a kid, and he was. He
was a teenager when I was a kid. Yeah, and
(03:23):
now it's it's just like a weird thing. I don't
know how to explain it. But apparently he got diagnosed
with Parkinson's disease in nineteen ninety one, but he didn't
come forward until nineteen ninety eight, so he first started
realizing it when he filmed this movie called Doc Hollywood
that he started noticing that he had a tremor in
his pinky. So he probably only came out with it
(03:47):
in nineteen ninety eight because it was pretty apparent to
everyone that something was going on with him.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Was he at that time young to be diagnosed, because
I feel like the stigma is that you don't get
diagnosed until you're older around his age.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, No, so you can get diagnosed when you're younger.
I actually know somebody that got diagnosed very early in life,
like in their thirties, and it actually has a better prognosis.
It's really interesting because I used to work with someone
who her husband got diagnosed with it, and her husband
he was like a nice guy and everything, but there
(04:22):
was something kind of I don't want to say off,
but just when you talk to him, there was no
emotion in his face right, and it just was like
kind of a weird thing. You would just be like,
are you happy to see me? Are you sad to
see me? Like what's going on here? And eventually we
figured out over the course of a year that he
was getting worked off for Parkinson's, and that's one of
(04:42):
the things. The symptoms that you could have of it
is something called mask faces, where like your face is
completely unemotionless, like you don't really look happy or sad,
you look kind of depressed actually, and it's not. It
doesn't mimic how you're actually feeling, but it's just because
the muscles in the face are aren't working as they
do in most people. So it was just interesting as
(05:04):
soon as he got diagnosed with it, because we were
working in the hospital at the time, so everyone was like, oh,
that makes sense, like you know what's going on there.
So so yeah, Now the thing is is when you
look at Michael J. Fox, he although I said people
that are younger tend to have a better prognosis, he like,
(05:25):
it's kind of disturbing to watch someone shake like that
and it looks like he may be going downhill, which
it does. It is a progressive disease that gets worse
over time, but you don't actually die from just having Parkinson's.
It's usually symptoms associated with it, So you could towards
the end of the disease, you could start choking a
(05:46):
lot and end up asperating your food or something, or
just a bad fall, like you would die from one
of the symptoms as a result of it. So I'm
sure he's getting the best medical care money could buy,
has really good treatment, and has probably people helping along
with his family just for his care. So, I mean,
(06:08):
just because he has Parkinson's doesn't mean that he's going
to die anytime soon. With it. It's not like als
where you can't breathe anymore and then all of a sudden,
you know, like most people, almost every single person that
gets diagnosed with it dies within X amount of years
of the diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and he's already been dealing with it for thirty years,
and I think it's wonderful. He brings so much good
awareness to it that I don't think people really understand
the full capacity of what this could do to you.
Most recently, he's been on the show Shrinking on Apple TV.
They Harrison's Ford character in that show has Parkinson's and
Michael J. Fox kind of came on as a guest
star this season and it was really awesome just to
(06:48):
see him there. And then he's also able to make
light of it because a couple of years. I'm saying
a couple of years ago. It might have been ten
years ago. He was on an episode of Curb Your
Enthusiasm where he shuck up a bottle of soda and
it's sprayed all over Larry David.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
He was like, I didn't see that. You have to
send me that clip.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Later he's like, oh, it's the Parkinson. So Larry David's like,
you did that on purpose. So it was pretty good, But.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's carvererr Enthusiasm is like, really, I haven't watched it recently,
but I used to watch it a lot when I
was younger, and it's just so good.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh, it's the best show ever. Especially everybody was like
saying that the newer seasons weren't as good as older,
and I would beg to differ. One of my favorite
things from that show was they have Larry opens a
Spike coffee shop because he hates the coffee shop he's
been going to, and then they have Sean Penn opened
like a Spike bird shop and Seth Rogan opens a
(07:44):
Spike Delli and I just think it's so funny. But
I didn't want to talk about Michael J. Fox's post
because I thought it was so good, he said, quote,
how do you react when you turn on TV and
CNN is reporting your death? Do you a switch to
MSNBC or whatever they're calling themselves these days? Be poor, scolding,
hot water on your lap. If it hurts, you're fine.
(08:04):
C call your wife hopefully she's concerned but reassuring, d relaxed.
They do this once every year. E ask yourself, what
the fuck? I thought? I thought the world was ending,
but apparently it's just me and I'm okay. Love Mike.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh my god, I loved him so much. No, that
was I mean, I mean, for real, it's like what
intern did that by act? Because listen, I'm a I'm
a social media influencer whatever like I you can't just
like accidentally post something.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, you know, it's funny. It's me and Ricky were
talking about the possible scenarios in which yesterday this went down.
On one of them we came up with, it's like
a rogue employee was not getting paid enough and just
had this weird niche beef with Michael J. Fox. It
was like, I'm just gonna release this video.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, that's that's highly unlike I know, it's just the
thing is is that you know sometimes where you're talking
about an actor or something and then you're like, wait,
is that person's still alive? They didn't die yet, because
you're just completely out of tune with what's going on,
Like I am a lot of times, but these, especially
like a younger person Michael J. Fox, might not be
(09:14):
somebody that they're thinking about all the time. Like for us,
it's just like or for me at least, it's just
he's just such a part of my childhood, so I
always think about him. But maybe that person was just like, oh, yeah,
he's dead, Like I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It is funny because there are definitely celebrities like that,
but he has been on shrinking recently. I mean that
season just finished airing two weeks ago, and then I
think the night before this happened, he was out at
a social event that was posted all over the internet.
So it's not like he's not out and about doing things.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You have no idea. I mean, there's so many different
situations and not this obviously, where people are just posting
things kind of quote by accident and you're just like, how, yeah,
I just don't understand watch like I always do fear.
My kids like play on my phone a lot, and
I'm always like, they're gonna post something by accident, even
though I tell them there's absolutely no reason they should
(10:08):
ever be in the Instagram app. But you know, kids
are kids, so when you tell them not to do something,
but I always do because sometimes they might want to
go on the stories because you know how you could
do the filters and stuff, and they want to save
the picture and I'm like, please don't post anything that's
just in my camera role by accident or something. But
(10:29):
that'll happen now because I said this, all right, let's
get into this freak accident involving the aquarium in India.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
A baby had to be hospitalized after his siblings were
cleaning their fish tank and a three inch fish jumped
directly into the baby's throat as he was laughing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh what a freak accident, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Uh yeah? And then when you you sent me a
picture of this this morning and I didn't particularly need
the visual.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, the worst part is is when they I mean,
obviously the parents are freaking out because it appears that
their baby isn't breathing or isn't breathing well and they
take the baby to the hospital and the fish. When
doctors examined the baby, the fish is still alive in
the baby's throat, which is really disturbing. So on top
of that, you know, fish have scales and everything, and
(11:17):
they could be a little rough. Sometimes they have teeth
depending on what size they are or whatever. But they
flapping around like that inside of the airway. I mean,
aside from the major the kid's gonna stop breathing and
die potentially, but it also could just cause a lot
of friction and like miniature kind of cuts on the
inside lining of the throat and could cause swelling. And
(11:40):
I mean it's an animal, the kid could have a
reaction to it. There's all sorts of other things that
could go along with it, just besides the obstruction itself.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
This is a total nightmare. When you see the visual
of the fish that was taken out in surgery, which
like six doctors had the work on the kid to
get this thing out, it is so disturbing and trigger warning.
The fish died. I know you animal lovers are gonna
be upset by that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was decapitated. Actually they had to pull it out
and the head popped off I guess.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But the baby was okay, thankfully. So this is totally
such a freak accent. I can't even imagine watching this
go down. I don't even think you could mimic it
if you tried, No.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You really couldn't. And just think about I always think
about this when like these crazy things happen to children
that they actually survive and then they grow up telling
this story like nobody imagine you you go on a
date when you're in your twenties with a guy who
tells you this, Like, how are you gonna believe this story? No?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Totally?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right? Are in the true crime world this week
this has been a huge story. Actually, Andrew was asking
me from Elvis Dran He was asking me about this case.
Are you guys into this case? And and it's it's
really it's really messed up, So why don't you get
into it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
All right? So, in Hawaii, an anesthesiologist has been found
guilty after his wife claim she tried to kill her
by pushing her off a cliff and when that wasn't successful,
he tried to inject her with some mysterious substance in
a syringe that he just happened to have in his
fanny bag, and then when that didn't work out, he
(13:15):
beat her in the head with a rock.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, and he was trying to get away with this
and it just wasn't happening. There was a lot there
was evidence in his bag that he had, so I
guess they're still saying at this time that the substance
he was trying to inject her with is unknown. However,
his bag contained his ID from Kaiser Permanente Hospital where
(13:42):
he was working as an anesthesiologist, several empty syringes and needles,
and an anesthesia medication that was propofall, although they said
whatever was in the needles or in the syringes was
unidentified at this time, which I'm not sure why because
I feel like they could easily just get those drugs
(14:03):
tested if they needed to. But I guess they thought
they had more than enough evidence to get him with this.
But this doctor took this medication from his job with him,
so I mean that is suspicious in itself. But then
there was much more to the story.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Okay, So like before we get into the rest of it,
I guess like let's start off with what he was
actually convicted of. So he was facing attempted murder and
got charged. He got convicted formally of attempted manslaughter, which
I had to look up a lawyer explaining this because
(14:40):
I'm like, I can't be seeing this right. We have
all this evidence that this person willingly went up there
seemingly with the intention of killing his wife or hurting
her in some type of way, and then he ends
up getting off as like a crime of passion, like
they were in such a heated argument that he started
beating her and then this was the result when I
would beg to differ because they were having marital issues
(15:04):
because apparently she was having an emotional affair with her
boss and they were in therapy for that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Which guess what though, like if you cheat on your husband,
it's not cool, but like you, that doesn't mean anything, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
They were in therapy for a couple of months because
of this emotional affair she was having with her boss,
and they were finally getting to a better place. It
was her birthday. They were deciding to go on this
hike on this specific trail that was for more like
experienced professional hikers. It wasn't for somebody like you or
me that would most likely actually accidentally fall or something.
(15:57):
So they get up to this one point and he's like,
why don't we go over here and take a selfie?
But it was this really steep cliff and she was like,
I don't want to go over there. It's dangerous. So
he starts pushing her towards the area, and she's like,
get the hell off of me and pushes him off.
That's when he takes this syringe. She just happened to
have a syringe in his bag. I'm sorry, Like that
(16:18):
number one to me is premeditated. So he takes out
the syringe. She tries to inject her with whatever the
substance is. Honestly, I don't know why that was unsuccessful,
but he wasn't able to inject her with anything, So
then he takes a rock and starts beating her in
the head. Around this time, two other hikers heard her
screaming for help, and he heard them approaching, so fled
(16:38):
the scene, and she told those women exactly what happened.
I believe they happened to be nurses and were able
to wrap her head, which probably ended up saving her life.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well I don't. I wouldn't say that, because when your
head is smashed with a rock. If you're bleeding from
your scalp, then you're scalp is it's very vascular and
it's going to bleed a lot, and there's not a
major artery in the scalp that's gonna make you bleed
to death. So if you wrap it up, it's not
(17:09):
that's not helping. So it could just look worse than
it is. Well, it could look worse, but not to
say that she didn't have a broken skull or a
brain bleed. But there's nothing that they could do on
site to make that any better. I mean that that's
a hospital intervention situation. But and you're right, like the
drug that now we don't know that that was the
(17:30):
drug that was in the syringe, but the one of
the drugs that was in the bag was propofol, which
should never be outside of the hospital, for like an
anesthesiologist shouldn't have that on his person. It's not like
tylan all. It's the drug that was given to Michael
Jackson by doctor Conrad Murray to help him go to sleep.
And one of the things that we always talk about
(17:51):
with that death is that there's no indication that that
is used for insomnia. It certainly is never used outside
on a hike for anything, because it is a medication
that anesthesiologists give to patients to put them asleep for
procedures like colonoscopies and surgeries.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well yeah, and this further reiterates my point, like, I
don't see how those syringes being on his person alone
in the medicine, having left the hospital, being in his
possession is alone not some form of premeditation.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, I don't know, and I don't ever get into
the I mean, could that be like some kind of
plea agreement or something that he had No.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I mean, he went to trial facing attempted murder, and
that's what the jury. The jury was given instructions where
they could have on the most severe conviction could have
picked first agree murder not forstgrea murder, attempted murder, and
then the attempted manslaughter was the second most severe, and
then it went down to assault charges and then of
course not guilty. Yeah, it's weird, And there's other things
(18:57):
that came out of the trial too, Like I guess
he called one of his sons and his wife's step
son and was telling them what happened, and he had
blood on his shirt, like these kids are testifying at
the trial, and he said that it was her blood
and he was going to kill himself, and like he
admitted that he tried to kill her. Like it seems so,
(19:21):
I don't. I really just don't understand the charges. But
I mean, he was at least he's at least going
to go to prison for a while for this, right, Yeah,
So he's facing a maximum sentence of twenty years. The
sentencing is pending. And what was really interesting is so
that son that he called was from a previous marriage,
and that kid took the stand and was not saying
(19:46):
my dad at all. He kept saying he kept referring
to his father as a defendant, Like don't you think
that's so?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't know, Like this case to me is very
I just I have to want if somebody on the
jury or something had had been cheated on and was like,
I'm not giving him the maximum charge or conviction he
could get because I know how that feels and the
rage it feels to be on the other end of
(20:15):
an affair or something, and I understand how heated that
could get. If you're in an argument over an affair
and how it turns that way because all it takes
is one person sometimes.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, I mean that's true. So let so her testimony. Now,
so she lived, obviously, and her testimony was crazy. So
she said when she was attacked by him, he said,
to her quote, nobody's going to hear you out here,
nobody's coming to save you, which is so freaking scary, right,
(20:51):
and then she said, this is amazing. She fought him
back by biting him and squeezing his testicles, and then
she brought up there kids and said, you know you're
gonna be done here. They're not going to talk to
you anymore if you keep doing this. And then she
said after she said that, he seemed to calm down
a little bit, but then he took a breath and
(21:12):
then just started hitting her with rocks.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah. And I mean like normally women, men, whatever, people
don't live to tell this story because that happens all
the time. And then the person's dead and you don't
get to hear like they're like, imagine that being the
final things that you hear before you die.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And listen, she's a total asshole for having this emotional
affair with her boss and everything, Like I'm not giving
her a pass because of this. She shouldn't have done that.
But also like having an affair, does it mean you
have the right to be murdered. It's just like crazy
how people go to that and to seemingly think that
they were working on things for a couple of months
(21:51):
and it was going in a positive trajectory. How scary
must this be? I have to wonder did she suggest
the hike or did he suggest the hike. I feel
like she must have because if he suggested that, like
that also just goes to the pre meditation, Like I
just can't understand.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean, I could see because like when we go
on our road trips, we have a medical bag with
us because we do go on a lot of hikes
at these national parks and stuff. But it's more for
like if you cut yourself and you're bleeding like stuff
like that, Like it's it's it's like a first eight
kit kind of. So I could see bringing something like
that on a hike, but not that particular drug. I
(22:28):
just don't see in any situation like you could say,
like even ketamine might be because you're just like, oh,
if you really break your leg like it'll, you know,
it'll just take away the craziness of that for a while.
Like the profofall one is just weird because you would
only need it to put somebody to sleep. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
While we were talking about that for secret projects soon
to be revealed, I kept thinking of Michael Jexon in
his like creepy voice, because he called it milk, just
being like.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Can I have some? So gross?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Didn't he call it?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Wasn't some of the claims with some of the sexual
abuse claims with him that he was calling some drink
he was giving the children Jesus juice. Ew do you
remember that? I don't know if that's right. I just
feel yeah, all right, let's get on to this fake
ICU story, because this is something I had no idea about,
and I'm curious from you guys who work at the
(23:26):
hospital what this is about.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm having a hard time accepting that this is really happening.
So a dental student has died after being monitored by
doctors via telehealth, not in person, while admitted to a
Connecticut ICU. So apparently, tell ICU is a system that
critically ill ic. You patients are monitored remotely from an
off site team, but that's supposed to be in addition
(23:52):
to staff that is there helping as well.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So in a place like YA, I would think that
they wouldn't have something like this. It seems like that
is a better setup for like a really rural hospital
that doesn't have a ton of staff or something like that.
But I mean, and this is a wrongful death lawsuit,
so we're just hearing one side of the story right now.
(24:19):
We don't know their side of the story and if
if all accounts are accurate, but you would I would
think personally that there should be doctors and nurses and
staff in the ICU, and then this is kind of
just in addition to make the outcomes better. And it
(24:39):
seems as if their claims are there was actually no
ICU physician there at all when their son was having problems.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, like to me, I see you in telehealth don't
belong in the same sentence. I mean, we're talking about
patients that need the most critical hands on care. Whose
idea was it that was like they don't need to
be if true, who doesn't need to be seen by
anybody at all, like it just it doesn't add up
to me. I understand. If you want to try to
(25:11):
maybe introduce this and like, I don't know, let's say
somebody gets admitted to the hospital. Let's think of the
case we covered over the weekend of the guy that
put the iPhone stand up his butt, right, he's in
the hospital, what for eleven days? If after a couple
of days they want to monitor him via telehealth, I
understand that, but not somebody that's in the intensive care unit.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
No, I don't really understand that at all. One of
my friends died in the hospital, and I really believe
it's because of a similar situation like that that and
it wasn't a telehealth situation, but it just was there
was no attending physician that was in charge of that
(25:55):
unit there at the time. And when somebody when a
doctor's at home and gets you're losing critical time when
they have to come to the hospital because it's it's
in the middle of the night on the weekend or something.
There should always And I just can't even believe that
this is not true. And maybe I mean, like I said,
this is just the accusations by the family, So maybe
(26:18):
this just isn't reported correctly because you have to say
at the same time, their twenty six year old kid
just died and one of the things was that he
was having alcohol withdrawals. So a lot of times, because
I've worked in the hospital and worked with the deaths
in the hospital for a very long time, a lot
of times families have a hard time accepting what just happened. Right, absolutely,
(26:43):
and that could be part of the case. It also
could just be like their claims are one hundred percent true,
and this is messed up. But there should there should
always be an attending physician there. Now they could say,
like in the case with my friend, there was an
attending physician there, but the attending physicis was not specialized
in that particular that particular specialty that needed to be there,
(27:07):
and residents just aren't cutting it. Sometimes there's really good residents,
but there's also some that are not really good. So
you and I guess you could say the same about
attendings too. But ultimately, an attending physician is a legally
certified physician to be there. So, for example, if you're
in the ICU and they're specialized in critical care medicine
(27:30):
like that, you don't really just want like a family
doctor could be an attending physician too, so like a
rheumatologist can too, So okay, an orthopedic doctor, but like
they're not going to know what to do when a
person's bleeding to death or like in that situation. They
might and they might be able to handle it, but
they're not specialized in that being in the ICU and
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taking care of patients in that specific situation. So even
all the nurses and the pas and everything that are
there to help, I feel like there always should be
an attending physician for that particular specialty. But like cutting
costs this and that. They probably feel like if this
is the case, like let's say there was an attending
physician in the emergency room or an internal medicine doctor
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or something like, they feel as if if it was
that critical, that person on another floor could come up
and handle it. That's probably what happened, because that's what
happened in my friend's case. But in my friend's case,
she died, and she might have died without without the
you know, the proper physician being there, but you never
really know, and that's probably what happened in this case.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It just seems like such a massive liability. I can't
imagine if with this lawsuit is alleging I can't imagine
this is the only incident. I'm not talking like as
far as death, but I can't imagine this is the
only incident they've had.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, like I said, we don't know what this case
is because there is a possibility that this guy was
dying regardless of who was there, Like yeah, and and
they might be able to better talk of that, I'm
not sure because they I mean, the thing is is
that with the hospitals, the pas and the doctor and
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the nurses that are there, Like I hate to say this,
but like they're doing more of the work anyway, they
really know the patients. They know when something's wrong because
they're doing it all the time. It's the same as
in my profession, like when pas are in the gross
room and they're looking at gross pathology or they're doing
autopsy and looking at gross pathology. We look at it
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all day every day, like we just know it better
than the doctors who were sitting in the office looking
at the microscope slides. Like just because their doctor doesn't
mean that they know more than us in that particular case.
So it's and with the exception of like medical examiners
and stuff who are doing autopsies all day. But my
point is is that nurses are with the patients all day.
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They're taking care of them. They know when things are wrong,
they know this, They know that. Like just because a
person is an MD is kind of a false sense
of security. But ultimately that person is the one that's
responsible for making the decisions of take this person off
this med give them more med, do this, do that.
Their nurses and the PAS could have uh, they could
have opinions on what to do, but but ultimately the
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attending physician is the one that's in charge. Now, some
nurse practici like nurse practitioners and pas can also give medications,
but ultimately, I still think that they're supposed to have
an attending physician there at all times.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
All right, let's finish up with this dead penis smell story.
So a twenty six year old man ended up needing
a partial penile amputation after his penis had ballooned of
four times its normal size and had a quote death
smell coming from it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So this guy is only he's very young, twenty six
years old and goes to the doctor, as Maria said,
because his penis swelled up four times the size he said,
So he was originally diagnosed with balinitis, and balinitis is
when this is really gross, most commonly in uncircumcised men.
This case was from the UK, so that is a
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possibility here. And we've talked about this on the show before,
but if the foreskin is not properly retracted and cleaned,
it could accumulate skin cells, semen oils, et cetera, and
make that disgusting word schmegma, right like exactly. So when
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that is there around the head of the penis for
a long time, it causes a chronic It could cause
a chronic irritation and could cause swelling and inflammation of
the head of the penis, which is called balinitis. So
they decided that that's what the guy had, and they
gave them steroid cream. And the problem with giving a
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person steroid cream, especially when that's not exactly what's going on,
and in this particular case, this guy had cancer. It
could chill out the inflammation enough to the point where
the person thinks that the thing is healing, and unfortunately,
the cancer can still be continuously progressing. So that's kind
of exactly what happened and the guys at home and
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then all of a sudden, like the thing is just
not it's just worsening, the cancer spreading worse, and it's
starting to smell so bad to the point where he
said other people could smell it on him and when
he finally went to the hospital. So that smell is
necrosis or dead tissue, which is common in cancers, especially
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a fast growing cancer, because the cancer grows so much
that it can't keep up with the blood supply. And
when when that happens, it the tumor isn't getting enough
oxygenated blood and that low oxygen environment just sets up
for some really foul smelling bacteria to grow. And that's
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what the smell is, the dead tissue and the bacteria.
I have smelled. Actually I had a case of a
dead penis once from a different situation, but it smelled
so bad. It smelled up the whole lab when we
took it out of the specimen container that was already
in formaldehyde. It just smelled so bad. And you know,
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we when we presented it at the at the GROSS
conference too, it smelled up the whole room after it
was completely penetrated with the formaldehyde. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Would you say, that's the worst thing you've smelled.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's one of Yes, it is, And anyone that was
working me with with me at the time would agree
that that was one of the worst smelling things that
we ever had. It was one of those because our
lab was fairly big and we had a lot of doors,
so there was a lot and ventilation systems and stuff,
and it just was like it just was really foul.
I don't know why that particular. It smelled different than
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an amputated foot. It just was very a weird, weird smell.
But this invictated foot smell like, I mean, they it
that smells too, but this was just like a like
a different kind of gangreine smell. Like I don't really
know how to describe it. It was just very lingering.
It wasn't just like the classic rotting flesh smell. It
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just was different anyway. So one of the so he
had he had penile cancer, which is very unusual at
twenty six years old to get full blown penile cancer.
It's usually caused by HPV virus, which is the same
one that get that can happen in more commonly in
women with cervical cancer, but it it less commonly happens
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with men. But like women get the infection from men,
so like my could get it too. There's there's a
big you know, men are carriers most of the time
and just spread it to other men and to women too, obviously,
but you can rarely get penile cancer from it. So
he you know they would at that point when they
saw the necrosis, they definitely would have done a biopsy,
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and that's how it came back with that. So he's
saying that luckily he was well in doubt and was
eight inches prior to this happening because they cut off
four inches, but he still has four inches left. And
amazingly he was able and this happened years ago, but
since then he's been able to have penetrative sex and
get his partner pregnant and has a baby.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It is because they told him that he wasn't going
to be able to have children because of the scarring
with his urethra, because you know, the semen comes out
of the eurethra, so that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't
have been able to have children because they could have
they could have gotten sperm from him another way, but
he had he had a baby the clay.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, because they could have done a sperm extraction surgery,
which is so incredibly painful for men. I've heard, so
definitely don't want to go that route if you could
avoid it. Yeah, Well that's it's a pretty good outcome
considering it could have been way worse.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have
stories or questions for us, please submit them to stories
at mothernosdeath dot com. This first one is a follow
up from Crystal about the DUI questions we were talking
about last week. So she said, Unfortunately, in my experience,
a lot of cops avoid doing DUIs when a crash
is involved and the other party is insistent that they
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are under the influence. We should one hundred percent be
doing our jobs and investigating it, but some just shy
away from lack of knowledge or laziness. We do have
to determine on our own if someone is impaired and
have a reason odor of alcohol, beverage, glassy eyes, slurring
on steadiness, et cetera. I have had people tell me
they thought someone was intoxicated, and after speaking with them,
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I just didn't have enough to go on and do
more testing.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, I understand that because this is the thing. And
I guess I told you guys this when we had
the accident last week. We were on a road called
Route seventy in Cherry Hill. It's it's not a highway,
but it's not like I don't know what you would
describe it as.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, I always wonder that too, because they have high speeds.
They're multi lane.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
High speeds, multi lanes, but traffic lights. So I think
this speed limit is forty or fi. I don't even know.
It's a higher speed limit though. It's not just like
a local road. So we were on one of those
roads and for a very long stretch of the road,
we were driving alongside these particular people that crashed into us.
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And the reason that I know that is because they
were smoked. It was a nicer day and we had
the windows down, and they had their windows down, and
both of them were smoking, and we were stuck in
traffic at certain points and all of their cigarette smoke
was coming into the car, and I was saying, how
fucking rude that is. That's That's how I know it
was them, right, And then Gabe was just like, you know,
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because his mother was a smoker, and he's just kind
of like has a particular distaste for people that are
smoking in situations like that. So we were talking about it,
like we saw them and this and that, and then
as soon as they hit us, he was like, do
you believe it was those dudes? You know? So anyway
we were it's it's not the cigarette smoking that keyed
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us off. Like I was staring at them in the
car and was like, oh my god, like what's going
on in this car like that? That's what I was
watching them for for several miles their gig, you know, Like,
so we had more observation of what was going on there,
them screaming at traffic, the driving really fast and then
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hitting the brakes really hard every time, you know, like
it just seemed like the reflexes were off. That's all.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Can we also talk about you had another incident the
curd last week when I fought.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
So I don't know why, I just was. I was
coming up the steps of my porch and I guess
I have about six steps. I was holding a bottle
of water, my iced, Macha, I think a store bag,
my purse, like I don't know you ever, just like
I feel like my legs just were like gave out.
But also in slow emotion, I was like, I'm falling.
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I caught myself. I'm falling. I'm falling like and then
it was like, okay, it's happening.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Well, I fall all the time, so I understand. I'm
sure I'm jinking myself. I'm gonna knock on wood right now.
Because of my pregnancy, I haven't fallen, thank god, but
I am a chronic faller. But the best is you
come in the house. I'm sitting in the kitchen, like,
did you not just hear me fall?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Because it was so loud because all my shit flew
out of my hands and it hit the thing and
my my leg hit the porch so hard, which I'm
still kind of like, I can't I didn't even believe
I didn't break my leg. I hit my legs so frickin' hard,
like on the edge of the top step.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Let me set the scene for everybody, though, in my defense,
your neighbor was getting their driveway totally dung up and
they were breaking up the concrete all morning. And the
house was shaking. They were dropping heavy blocks of concrete
on the ground, so the house was shaking and making
loud noises all morning. So when you fell, I just
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assumed that they were still working. And then you came
in and were like, didn't you just hear me fall?
And then you proceed to go I really hope Gabe
doesn't look at the doorbell camera. And then it registered
to me that I have access to your doorbell camera.
And then I watched it and almost peed myself laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, it was very nice. Every one of my kids
was like crying, laughing, and I'm just like, oh, I'm okay, thanks.
It is really funny when somebody falls though.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It really is. And then I tried to make it
better by showing you the video of me falling at
the restaurant holding a bus hub full of probably twenty
five pounds worth of stuff. So it happens to all
of us. But yeah, and then when we were driving
to the event Saturday morning, a ups truck made like
a crazy turn and literally missed your car by one inch.
And I'm like, if you get in two car accidents
and fall this week, you were the most unlucky person alive,
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right now, All right. Next is from Heather. Recently, on
an episode, you spoke of a passenger who died on
a flight and quickly started to smell. I understand that
the heat will speed up decomp but why do you
think she started to smell so fast? It sounds like
the smell began before being placed on the heated floor.
Is there an average amount of time in which the
smell begins.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, really, the smell can begin. The smell begins as
soon as a person dies, because as soon as a
person dies, they start to decompose. So even the times
where I've opened a person up that was still warm,
you know, I don't like doing autopsies on people that
are still warm, but I have done them in the past.
I mean, I've done an autopsy on someone that was
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within a half hour after they died, right and they,
at least internally anyway, there is still a smell that
is not I've never witnessed a surgery, but I used
to have a resident with me that was a surgery.
He was a surgery resident for years, so he was
present in a lot of surgeries and I asked him
about that. I said, when you do an open like
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a laparotomy surgery on a person. Does it smell like this?
And he said, no, it's specific to death. It doesn't
smell like that. So and so that just happens because
decomposition starts at the second that you die, although it's
not quite obvious to the external world for some time now,
decomposition could accelerate in certain deaths, especially if a person
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has a bacterial infection or a septic You could see
that the decomposition is accelerated because they already have a
lot of bacteria in their body to begin with when
they die, and they usually have a higher body temperature,
which just accelerates the decomposition. So I don't know exactly
what her cause of death was, I would assume that
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she I mean, I guess anything's possible, especially with different
kinds of infections. But like you would think that a
person that had a very high fever and was sick
wouldn't be boarding an airplane, but it's quite possible. Usually
when a person dies on a plane, it's more of
a drop dead situation, like they had a pulmonary embolism,
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or they had a heart attack or stroke or something
like that. So, but those floors if I recall are
eighty or ninety degrees, so I mean, you can it
just it all just depends. There's so many different factors
that go involved with it. Because let's say, for example,
if a person is heavier, right, they're gonna cool down slower.
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Their bodies are gonna cool down slower. So sometimes you know,
a person might die the night before and we do
the autopsy the next morning after they've been in refrigeration
and the inside of their organs are still warm because
they're they're they have so much fat around their organs
and their their body. So if the person was overweight,
that could be another factor. Because the thing is is
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that the warmer the body is, the more the bacteria
is going to multiply, and that's what it puts off gases,
and that's what gives the smell. So in a person
like a little old lady that's ninety pounds, they're gonna
cool down really fast, right. I mean, I've done autopsies
on people that are like smaller than my children that
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are adults. Just like these little old ladies. You know,
their bodies are gonna cool down so fast, whereas like
a larger person isn't going to cool down as fast.
So and then just like a plane in general, is
a plane is hot, Like what's normal room temperature like
seventy seventy Like yeah, like around there, you know, like
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that's hot. That's not refrigeration. You're talking about hours not
being in refrigeration. I mean, it could happen fast. So
there's just so many different factors. And then also you
have to take into consideration the negative pressure and the
altitude like that has an impact on it as well.
So I don't know if I really answered your question
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or not, But I don't know because I didn't examine
the body. The smell could have been. You know, you're
in a group situation. If one person says it smells
kind of funny, then everybody's like, yeah, it does smell funny.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Like you know it could yeah like that.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So all right.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Last is for Monica one hundred percent agree with the
parents being on the phone too much. I have been
a first grade elementary teacher for twenty years. We're definitely
seeing a problem with parents not being present. Kids are
coming to school not being able to have a conversation
because no one talks to them. Parents are always on
the phone and do not have conversations. We are also
of seeing an uptick and the children needing speech therapy
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because they are not getting the chance to practice speech
in the home. The saddest thing happened when our school
went on a field trip to the zoo. One parent
chaperone that was attending with their own student was allowing
their child to be on an iPad the entire trip.
They had to say, look at the monkeys, look at
the lions, et cetera. The child would glance up for
half second and then straight back to the iPad. We
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recently hosted a family night where our school counselor was
giving a presentation about how important it is to be
present and have conversations with your children. Only a few
families could say that they have dinner together on a
regular basis. During the presentation, several parents were sitting in
the back not with their children, playing on their phones.
It makes me sad for these kids.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Parents.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Please do better.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Oh my god, I hate hearing this.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It we really ridiculous that your job has to have
a presentation about how important it is to spend time
and communicate with your children.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Especially what she was just saying too. There's just a
combination of a lot of factors. But I just you know,
there was this whole period of years that we had
to wear masks or people like I was never into it,
but there's people that have that are like scared to
death and still do it to this day. But think
about having how important it is for children to just
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especially when they're learning how to speak, and then they're
speaking and they're just like watching all of these adults
and they don't see their lips moving and things like that,
because I'm I'm like a I could barely conversate with
people if I can't see their lips move too, Like
I just.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Need both of it. Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
It's just like very hard for me to understand what
people are saying. But that in combination with the phones.
And last night we went to the Phillies game and
there was a family sitting a couple rows down from us,
and I watched that, like I just want I just
watched my surroundings and I'm just like I saw it
was like a mom and three kids that were they
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weren't they weren't big teenagers. They were probably like in
between maybe ten and fourteen years old, like all of
them including the mother, were on their phonees the entire time,
and I'm like, are you watching the baseball game? Like
what's you just paid.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Hundreds of dollars to be here to not even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I don't know, I don't know, Like it's just like
a really it's it's just like a weird thing that
I noticed. And I I especially at the schools, like
the school trip and stuff. I wish the schools had
stricter rules, honestly, Like when I was a kid, the
big thing was having like a beeper or a pager, right,
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that was like the cool thing, Like especially if you
went to the mall and got it airbrushed, like with
your name or something. You were just like so cool.
So if we brought one of those to school and
our teachers saw it, they would take it and they
would put it in their desk for the entire year.
They were like, you could have it back on the
last day of school. So every one of them, we
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were all like, all right, we're not bringing it to
school because like it's going to get taken away and
back then Like if my mom was just like I
don't think this is right. I need this to get
a hold of my daughter. They'd be like, oh, well,
she she brought it in school and she wasn't allowed
to have it. How do we go from that to now?
It's just like we're afraid to tell parents on a
school trip that their kid can't have an iPad.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
That's absolutely ridiculous. Like I understand if you want to
give it to your kid at home during your free time,
but when you're going out in public or you're at
a party or something, there's no reason they need to
have that thing.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I tried, like I've always tried. I was really really
good with it until the pandemic, Like my kids didn't
even use it at all until the pandemic. And then
when we couldn't hang out with anybody, and it was
like my kids weren't socializing. One of my friends had
told me about the Facebook messenger thing and they could
talk to each other, and then I was like, okay,
I'll get like, let them have the iPads and this
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and that, and then that turned into them being on
them way too much of the day because they were
like hanging out with their friends. It was so weird.
So a lot of parents like, we're just in this
weird thing that we got stuck in that and now,
like I I pulled back a lot from the pandemic,
but still like they're they're on it all the time,
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like they just are. That's what they That's what kids
want to do. They just it's just like a different
way of being a kid. But I am pretty hardcore
about them having it in public like that. You know,
it's a little different now because Lilian just got a
phone this year at thirteen, and you know, she always
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wants to take this is the excuse, Like I'm not dumb.
Kids are like, oh, I want to bring it with
me so I could take pictures, And I'm like, okay,
I just.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Got her that camera. So she actually doesn't need it
because she take pictures on that disposa.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
It's not the same. It's it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
I know it's not. But you can always try to
be like, well you have this other thing. It's not
like you can't take pictures.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Well actually, so actually yesterday was the first game that
we went to since she had the phone, So I
told her, because she does. The thing is is I
want to let her take pictures because she's actually like
very artistic and she's she takes really nice pictures. She
gets that from you and Gabe, because like, clearly I
take the worst ones in the world, so I do
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want to I feel like she she takes really artsy pictures.
But I said to her, like, if I look over
at you and I see you are texting on that,
I'm taking it away and you're never allowed to bring
it even in the car for the rest of the games.
So I felt like she was pretty good about it,
like you know, and it just it just sucks because
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like all of these stories we cover, it's it's a
it's an addiction, like everybody's addicted to it, and you
think about it. Even last night from the game, I
posted my mystery diagnosis, Like I was sitting there for
five minutes and I'm like, oh, I need to do this.
If you say to any adult, like, oh, you can't
be on your phone for four hours, it's kind of
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a lot for some people.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well, this is like kind of where I was getting
with the article I wrote and stuff, and when we
were talking about this last week, Like for us, I
find it's a particularly difficult balance because a lot of
our work is done on the phone and on social media,
so it's like hard to know when to turn it
off and when you have to be on and like,
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of course they have you can like schedule stuff now,
But sometimes we just don't have the ability to not
be on it all the time as other people are
because it is part of our job.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, but but not like like last night, for example,
because like I do Mystery Diagnosis every week, so I'm
just kind of like this has to be posted at
a certain time because it's getting late, and I don't
mess with the pre things because I just don't. I
don't care to work with technology like that. But other
than that, I don't really care about being on it
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like that. But with kids, I guess kids too, this
is the way that the world is now, you know.
She takes a picture of something you remember you got
like you guys were on the big screen a couple
times last night, yes, And the first thing she wants
to do is like send it to one of her friends. Right,
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And that's the thing that we need to teach kids,
Like I feel like I'm constantly beating that into their heads.
It's like just because your phone rings doesn't mean you
have to answer it right now. Because I grew up
in a time I actually remember being a kid before
there was even like call waiting and answering machines, and
my parents never I don't think that we ever got
an answering machine. So it's just like if you called
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your friend and they didn't answer, it was like they
weren't home and they'll call you when they get back
like that. There's no there's there's too much of like
I need to know this now, need to be immediate,
need to text my friend right now, No, I.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Think, and there needs to be a balance with that
because so I definitely fall in the category of like
an immediate responder and I no idea.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
And I'm opposite. I'm just kind of like I don't
actually ever have to text you back or ever call
you back, or ever write you back, Like I don't
owe that to anybody.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, but I've been seeing like with work related things,
for example, there's now the extreme opposite where people won't
write you back for weeks and it does cross the
line of like, okay, this is like really rude and
like you could at least be acknowledge you got my
message and you don't have the answer for me right now.
It doesn't have to be seconds after you receive it.
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But if like three days goes by and you know
you're not gonna have the answer for a week or two,
don't leave me hanging for two weeks, because that's just rude.
You know.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, Like work is just a different works, a different scenario.
I'm just saying socially, Yeah, so you don't you don't
have to do that, like I I'm I very much
try to be like that because it's just like sometimes
like because I'm no, you know, we do eat dinner
together every single night, and when I'm a no phones
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at the table, person like it's upstairs in their room
their iPads, their phones, whatever. But sometimes you hear it ringing,
and then it's like the kids like, well, that's that's
probably her, Like I have to go get it right now,
And I'm like, now you don't. You don't trust me.
You'll survive if you just finish your food and then
go talk to your friend. You don't have to. And
then they'll say like, well, let me just tell her,
(55:36):
I'll call her after dinner. No, you don't have to give.
You don't have to be a slave to someone like
that that you owe them an explanation as to why
you're not answering their call. Yeah, Like it's it's just
like I'm so hard about that because it's it's it's
not a good way to be that you feel like
you have to make excuses as to why you didn't
(55:58):
write back. Oh, I didn't to email you back of this.
I didn't text you back because of this. It's just
like you don't have to explain yourself.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
No, no, I don't ever need an explanation, so to speak,
because then I feel like people start getting into like
I had a family emergency, Like I don't need to
know what's going on in your personal life just for
a work thing is specific. If you don't have the
answer for me right now, at least after like forty
eight hours goes by, can you at least be like, hey,
saw your email. I'll get back to you with the
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answers in a couple of days. That's all I miss.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
And that's the thing that this particular listener is talking
about with the bringing the phone to the zoo. It's
just like a lot It's funny because when you talk
about kids going to the zoo, a lot of kids
hate that school trip. I hate they hate it. They
(56:48):
don't You've always hated it. There's a lot there's just
like even with the kids, I used to have the
zoo pass when I was homeschooling them and stuff, and
I'd be like, we're going to the zoo today, Like
if it like they might be more excited if their
friends are gonna be there and they're gonna meet up.
But like, I just feel like a lot of it
is people don't enjoy the zoo a lot. It's I
(57:13):
don't know, Like I just I find that talking to
some people. Right, So if you're gonna give a choice
to a kid between YouTube videos of like them watching
people play with squishy toys or watching an animal at
the zoo, like, they're gonna pick the YouTube video, so
you have to not even give them the option because
they're gonna pick that obviously, if if you gave us
(57:38):
the option of like going and sitting doing something boring
versus like that's That's the thing with the phone, it's
like the ultimate It makes everyone the ultimate narcissist. The
phone is one hundred percent designed to make to be
for you, for you, for you. It's all what you want,
it's what you want to see, it's what you want
to do. So like you can't give it to them
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and sit you where it's not all about you. That's
just how it is for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
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Scott Duffy, Bella, everyone at NMS that participated in our
live shows this weekend. It was really awesome, and especially
to our grocerroom community for showing up. You guys are
truly the best.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, it was. It was really really awesome, and we
did get to raise money for a really important cause
for us at least, which is the future of forensics
and the summer program there. I just I'm so I
was actually talking so Bella was a former student of
this summer program for forensics, and I just told her
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how lucky she was that that was available to her
as a teenager, because she's she's so young, and she
already got to experience what it would be like working
in a real forensic lab, and that's going to help
guide her towards what she's going to want to do
for a career. And I just like, I wish I
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had something like that, because especially when I first started
learning about this field, I was so eager to learn
and thirsty for the knowledge, and I just it was
hard to even when I got to shadow at places,
it was just like, oh I got to go watch
blood getting taken or something like that. Like I really
had to push hard to just weasel my way into
(59:25):
seeing an autopsy, seeing a surgical dissection like which I
was able to do. But it was just like a
lot of work on my end, and this is this
is just really awesome.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
So no, it was super cool, and just like we're
so thankful for all of our listeners and everything. You
guys were truly awesome, and both nights really had a
great turnout, and it was really fun to be all
of you in person, to get actually like have the
room to talk and mangle a little bit too, you know,
because sometimes when we're doing other events, they're like a
little rush or we don't have a lot of time
for it. But it was nice to just like kind
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Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a huge mistake CNN made when
they accidentally aired a tribute to Michael J. Fox's life
implying that he died. Then we'll get into how news
outlets pre record these things just waiting for a celebrity
to die. We have a really bizarre freak accident that
occurred when a family was cleaning their aquarium. Then we're
(00:44):
going to discuss an attempted murder involving a Hawaiian doctor
who has been found guilty of trying to kill his wife.
Fake ICUs and what a dead penis smells like. We'll
do all that, followed by your questions, comments and emails,
all that on today's episode. So this Michael, this Michael J.
(01:05):
Fox thing is like really messed up.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah. So Michael J. Fox is assuring everyone he is
very much alive after CNN released seemingly an accidental tribute
video about him called Remembering the Life of Actor Michael J.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Fox. I feel like this happened before, and I couldn't
figure out who it happened to. But this discussion I
remember came up years ago because apparently they just make
all of these things for these really high profile actors,
and they just especially ones who are sick or have
a chronic disease, which is just really messed up to
(01:41):
think about that They're just waiting for you to die
so they could be the first to post the tribute
about you.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I guess I first learned about this because it
actually made fun of it on an episode of thirty
Rock where they were making it, and I'm like, that
can't possibly be true, and it is. I mean, from
a TV perspective, it does makes sense because if somebody dies,
you want to be the first one that has it out.
You're not gonna have all the time it takes to
be like what were their best moments in these films
or these interviews? Right, Like you want to just keep
(02:11):
and what the magic behind it is. They just like
kind of keep adding on to it, so if they
do a new celebrity interview or they do a new
movie or something, they'll just keep adding those clips into
it over time. But like to accidentally release it is
kind of really unacceptable, especially for somebody like him that's
had this illness for decades and he's had to struggle
(02:33):
with that. And then it's like you're putting out this
fake video that he has died, and it's just very bizarre.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, it really is. So let's talk a little bit
about Michael J. Fox. I loved him. I've always loved him.
He's sixty. He's sixty four right now, which he's just crazy.
He's young. But at the same time, it's just as
you get older, you're not at that age up. But
I just feel like in the past five years or so,
I started you just see like Brad Pitt and all
(03:01):
these people that in your mind are visually young people,
and they're just like when I was in my twenties,
I would consider a sixty four year old to be
an old person, you know, And now you're like, oh wait,
they're not that much older than me. So I mean,
he's like less than I mean, I don't know. I
just think when I'm a kid, and he was. He
was a teenager when I was a kid. Yeah, and
(03:23):
now it's it's just like a weird thing. I don't
know how to explain it. But apparently he got diagnosed
with Parkinson's disease in nineteen ninety one, but he didn't
come forward until nineteen ninety eight, so he first started
realizing it when he filmed this movie called Doc Hollywood
that he started noticing that he had a tremor in
his pinky. So he probably only came out with it
(03:47):
in nineteen ninety eight because it was pretty apparent to
everyone that something was going on with him.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Was he at that time young to be diagnosed, because
I feel like the stigma is that you don't get
diagnosed until you're older around his age.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, No, so you can get diagnosed when you're younger.
I actually know somebody that got diagnosed very early in life,
like in their thirties, and it actually has a better prognosis.
It's really interesting because I used to work with someone
who her husband got diagnosed with it, and her husband
he was like a nice guy and everything, but there
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was something kind of I don't want to say off,
but just when you talk to him, there was no
emotion in his face right, and it just was like
kind of a weird thing. You would just be like,
are you happy to see me? Are you sad to
see me? Like what's going on here? And eventually we
figured out over the course of a year that he
was getting worked off for Parkinson's, and that's one of
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the things. The symptoms that you could have of it
is something called mask faces, where like your face is
completely unemotionless, like you don't really look happy or sad,
you look kind of depressed actually, and it's not. It
doesn't mimic how you're actually feeling, but it's just because
the muscles in the face are aren't working as they
do in most people. So it was just interesting as
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soon as he got diagnosed with it, because we were
working in the hospital at the time, so everyone was like, oh,
that makes sense, like you know what's going on there.
So so yeah, Now the thing is is when you
look at Michael J. Fox, he although I said people
that are younger tend to have a better prognosis, he like,
(05:25):
it's kind of disturbing to watch someone shake like that
and it looks like he may be going downhill, which
it does. It is a progressive disease that gets worse
over time, but you don't actually die from just having Parkinson's.
It's usually symptoms associated with it, So you could towards
the end of the disease, you could start choking a
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lot and end up asperating your food or something, or
just a bad fall, like you would die from one
of the symptoms as a result of it. So I'm
sure he's getting the best medical care money could buy,
has really good treatment, and has probably people helping along
with his family just for his care. So, I mean,
(06:08):
just because he has Parkinson's doesn't mean that he's going
to die anytime soon. With it. It's not like als
where you can't breathe anymore and then all of a sudden,
you know, like most people, almost every single person that
gets diagnosed with it dies within X amount of years
of the diagnosis.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and he's already been dealing with it for thirty years,
and I think it's wonderful. He brings so much good
awareness to it that I don't think people really understand
the full capacity of what this could do to you.
Most recently, he's been on the show Shrinking on Apple TV.
They Harrison's Ford character in that show has Parkinson's and
Michael J. Fox kind of came on as a guest
star this season and it was really awesome just to
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see him there. And then he's also able to make
light of it because a couple of years. I'm saying
a couple of years ago. It might have been ten
years ago. He was on an episode of Curb Your
Enthusiasm where he shuck up a bottle of soda and
it's sprayed all over Larry David.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
He was like, I didn't see that. You have to
send me that clip.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Later he's like, oh, it's the Parkinson. So Larry David's like,
you did that on purpose. So it was pretty good, But.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That's carvererr Enthusiasm is like, really, I haven't watched it recently,
but I used to watch it a lot when I
was younger, and it's just so good.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh, it's the best show ever. Especially everybody was like
saying that the newer seasons weren't as good as older,
and I would beg to differ. One of my favorite
things from that show was they have Larry opens a
Spike coffee shop because he hates the coffee shop he's
been going to, and then they have Sean Penn opened
like a Spike bird shop and Seth Rogan opens a
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Spike Delli and I just think it's so funny. But
I didn't want to talk about Michael J. Fox's post
because I thought it was so good, he said, quote,
how do you react when you turn on TV and
CNN is reporting your death? Do you a switch to
MSNBC or whatever they're calling themselves these days? Be poor, scolding,
hot water on your lap. If it hurts, you're fine.
(08:04):
C call your wife hopefully she's concerned but reassuring, d relaxed.
They do this once every year. E ask yourself, what
the fuck? I thought? I thought the world was ending,
but apparently it's just me and I'm okay. Love Mike.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh my god, I loved him so much. No, that
was I mean, I mean, for real, it's like what
intern did that by act? Because listen, I'm a I'm
a social media influencer whatever like I you can't just
like accidentally post something.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, you know, it's funny. It's me and Ricky were
talking about the possible scenarios in which yesterday this went down.
On one of them we came up with, it's like
a rogue employee was not getting paid enough and just
had this weird niche beef with Michael J. Fox. It
was like, I'm just gonna release this video.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, that's that's highly unlike I know, it's just the
thing is is that you know sometimes where you're talking
about an actor or something and then you're like, wait,
is that person's still alive? They didn't die yet, because
you're just completely out of tune with what's going on,
Like I am a lot of times, but these, especially
like a younger person Michael J. Fox, might not be
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somebody that they're thinking about all the time. Like for us,
it's just like or for me at least, it's just
he's just such a part of my childhood, so I
always think about him. But maybe that person was just like, oh, yeah,
he's dead, Like I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It is funny because there are definitely celebrities like that,
but he has been on shrinking recently. I mean that
season just finished airing two weeks ago, and then I
think the night before this happened, he was out at
a social event that was posted all over the internet.
So it's not like he's not out and about doing things.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You have no idea. I mean, there's so many different
situations and not this obviously, where people are just posting
things kind of quote by accident and you're just like, how, yeah,
I just don't understand watch like I always do fear.
My kids like play on my phone a lot, and
I'm always like, they're gonna post something by accident, even
though I tell them there's absolutely no reason they should
(10:08):
ever be in the Instagram app. But you know, kids
are kids, so when you tell them not to do something,
but I always do because sometimes they might want to
go on the stories because you know how you could
do the filters and stuff, and they want to save
the picture and I'm like, please don't post anything that's
just in my camera role by accident or something. But
(10:29):
that'll happen now because I said this, all right, let's
get into this freak accident involving the aquarium in India.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
A baby had to be hospitalized after his siblings were
cleaning their fish tank and a three inch fish jumped
directly into the baby's throat as he was laughing.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh what a freak accident, right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Uh yeah? And then when you you sent me a
picture of this this morning and I didn't particularly need
the visual.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Well, the worst part is is when they I mean,
obviously the parents are freaking out because it appears that
their baby isn't breathing or isn't breathing well and they
take the baby to the hospital and the fish. When
doctors examined the baby, the fish is still alive in
the baby's throat, which is really disturbing. So on top
of that, you know, fish have scales and everything, and
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they could be a little rough. Sometimes they have teeth
depending on what size they are or whatever. But they
flapping around like that inside of the airway. I mean,
aside from the major the kid's gonna stop breathing and
die potentially, but it also could just cause a lot
of friction and like miniature kind of cuts on the
inside lining of the throat and could cause swelling. And
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I mean it's an animal, the kid could have a
reaction to it. There's all sorts of other things that
could go along with it, just besides the obstruction itself.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
This is a total nightmare. When you see the visual
of the fish that was taken out in surgery, which
like six doctors had the work on the kid to
get this thing out, it is so disturbing and trigger warning.
The fish died. I know you animal lovers are gonna
be upset by that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It was decapitated. Actually they had to pull it out
and the head popped off I guess.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But the baby was okay, thankfully. So this is totally
such a freak accent. I can't even imagine watching this
go down. I don't even think you could mimic it
if you tried, No.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You really couldn't. And just think about I always think
about this when like these crazy things happen to children
that they actually survive and then they grow up telling
this story like nobody imagine you you go on a
date when you're in your twenties with a guy who
tells you this, Like, how are you gonna believe this story? No?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Totally?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
All right? Are in the true crime world this week
this has been a huge story. Actually, Andrew was asking
me from Elvis Dran He was asking me about this case.
Are you guys into this case? And and it's it's
really it's really messed up, So why don't you get
into it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
All right? So, in Hawaii, an anesthesiologist has been found
guilty after his wife claim she tried to kill her
by pushing her off a cliff and when that wasn't successful,
he tried to inject her with some mysterious substance in
a syringe that he just happened to have in his
fanny bag, and then when that didn't work out, he
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beat her in the head with a rock.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, and he was trying to get away with this
and it just wasn't happening. There was a lot there
was evidence in his bag that he had, so I
guess they're still saying at this time that the substance
he was trying to inject her with is unknown. However,
his bag contained his ID from Kaiser Permanente Hospital where
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he was working as an anesthesiologist, several empty syringes and needles,
and an anesthesia medication that was propofall, although they said
whatever was in the needles or in the syringes was
unidentified at this time, which I'm not sure why because
I feel like they could easily just get those drugs
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tested if they needed to. But I guess they thought
they had more than enough evidence to get him with this.
But this doctor took this medication from his job with him,
so I mean that is suspicious in itself. But then
there was much more to the story.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Okay, So like before we get into the rest of it,
I guess like let's start off with what he was
actually convicted of. So he was facing attempted murder and
got charged. He got convicted formally of attempted manslaughter, which
I had to look up a lawyer explaining this because
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I'm like, I can't be seeing this right. We have
all this evidence that this person willingly went up there
seemingly with the intention of killing his wife or hurting
her in some type of way, and then he ends
up getting off as like a crime of passion, like
they were in such a heated argument that he started
beating her and then this was the result when I
would beg to differ because they were having marital issues
(15:04):
because apparently she was having an emotional affair with her
boss and they were in therapy for that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Which guess what though, like if you cheat on your husband,
it's not cool, but like you, that doesn't mean anything, right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
They were in therapy for a couple of months because
of this emotional affair she was having with her boss,
and they were finally getting to a better place. It
was her birthday. They were deciding to go on this
hike on this specific trail that was for more like
experienced professional hikers. It wasn't for somebody like you or
me that would most likely actually accidentally fall or something.
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So they get up to this one point and he's like,
why don't we go over here and take a selfie?
But it was this really steep cliff and she was like,
I don't want to go over there. It's dangerous. So
he starts pushing her towards the area, and she's like,
get the hell off of me and pushes him off.
That's when he takes this syringe. She just happened to
have a syringe in his bag. I'm sorry, Like that
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number one to me is premeditated. So he takes out
the syringe. She tries to inject her with whatever the
substance is. Honestly, I don't know why that was unsuccessful,
but he wasn't able to inject her with anything, So
then he takes a rock and starts beating her in
the head. Around this time, two other hikers heard her
screaming for help, and he heard them approaching, so fled
(16:38):
the scene, and she told those women exactly what happened.
I believe they happened to be nurses and were able
to wrap her head, which probably ended up saving her life.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well I don't. I wouldn't say that, because when your
head is smashed with a rock. If you're bleeding from
your scalp, then you're scalp is it's very vascular and
it's going to bleed a lot, and there's not a
major artery in the scalp that's gonna make you bleed
to death. So if you wrap it up, it's not
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that's not helping. So it could just look worse than
it is. Well, it could look worse, but not to
say that she didn't have a broken skull or a
brain bleed. But there's nothing that they could do on
site to make that any better. I mean that that's
a hospital intervention situation. But and you're right, like the
drug that now we don't know that that was the
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drug that was in the syringe, but the one of
the drugs that was in the bag was propofol, which
should never be outside of the hospital, for like an
anesthesiologist shouldn't have that on his person. It's not like
tylan all. It's the drug that was given to Michael
Jackson by doctor Conrad Murray to help him go to sleep.
And one of the things that we always talk about
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with that death is that there's no indication that that
is used for insomnia. It certainly is never used outside
on a hike for anything, because it is a medication
that anesthesiologists give to patients to put them asleep for
procedures like colonoscopies and surgeries.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well yeah, and this further reiterates my point, like, I
don't see how those syringes being on his person alone
in the medicine, having left the hospital, being in his
possession is alone not some form of premeditation.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Well, I don't know, and I don't ever get into
the I mean, could that be like some kind of
plea agreement or something that he had No.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I mean, he went to trial facing attempted murder, and
that's what the jury. The jury was given instructions where
they could have on the most severe conviction could have
picked first agree murder not forstgrea murder, attempted murder, and
then the attempted manslaughter was the second most severe, and
then it went down to assault charges and then of
course not guilty. Yeah, it's weird, And there's other things
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that came out of the trial too, Like I guess
he called one of his sons and his wife's step
son and was telling them what happened, and he had
blood on his shirt, like these kids are testifying at
the trial, and he said that it was her blood
and he was going to kill himself, and like he
admitted that he tried to kill her. Like it seems so,
(19:21):
I don't. I really just don't understand the charges. But
I mean, he was at least he's at least going
to go to prison for a while for this, right, Yeah,
So he's facing a maximum sentence of twenty years. The
sentencing is pending. And what was really interesting is so
that son that he called was from a previous marriage,
and that kid took the stand and was not saying
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my dad at all. He kept saying he kept referring
to his father as a defendant, Like don't you think
that's so?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I don't know, Like this case to me is very
I just I have to want if somebody on the
jury or something had had been cheated on and was like,
I'm not giving him the maximum charge or conviction he
could get because I know how that feels and the
rage it feels to be on the other end of
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an affair or something, and I understand how heated that
could get. If you're in an argument over an affair
and how it turns that way because all it takes
is one person sometimes.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, I mean that's true. So let so her testimony. Now,
so she lived, obviously, and her testimony was crazy. So
she said when she was attacked by him, he said,
to her quote, nobody's going to hear you out here,
nobody's coming to save you, which is so freaking scary, right,
(20:51):
and then she said, this is amazing. She fought him
back by biting him and squeezing his testicles, and then
she brought up there kids and said, you know you're
gonna be done here. They're not going to talk to
you anymore if you keep doing this. And then she
said after she said that, he seemed to calm down
a little bit, but then he took a breath and
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then just started hitting her with rocks.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah. And I mean like normally women, men, whatever, people
don't live to tell this story because that happens all
the time. And then the person's dead and you don't
get to hear like they're like, imagine that being the
final things that you hear before you die.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
And listen, she's a total asshole for having this emotional
affair with her boss and everything, Like I'm not giving
her a pass because of this. She shouldn't have done that.
But also like having an affair, does it mean you
have the right to be murdered. It's just like crazy
how people go to that and to seemingly think that
they were working on things for a couple of months
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and it was going in a positive trajectory. How scary
must this be? I have to wonder did she suggest
the hike or did he suggest the hike. I feel
like she must have because if he suggested that, like
that also just goes to the pre meditation, Like I
just can't understand.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean, I could see because like when we go
on our road trips, we have a medical bag with
us because we do go on a lot of hikes
at these national parks and stuff. But it's more for
like if you cut yourself and you're bleeding like stuff
like that, Like it's it's it's like a first eight
kit kind of. So I could see bringing something like
that on a hike, but not that particular drug. I
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just don't see in any situation like you could say,
like even ketamine might be because you're just like, oh,
if you really break your leg like it'll, you know,
it'll just take away the craziness of that for a while.
Like the profofall one is just weird because you would
only need it to put somebody to sleep. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
While we were talking about that for secret projects soon
to be revealed, I kept thinking of Michael Jexon in
his like creepy voice, because he called it milk, just
being like.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Can I have some? So gross?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Didn't he call it?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Wasn't some of the claims with some of the sexual
abuse claims with him that he was calling some drink
he was giving the children Jesus juice. Ew do you
remember that? I don't know if that's right. I just
feel yeah, all right, let's get on to this fake
ICU story, because this is something I had no idea about,
and I'm curious from you guys who work at the
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hospital what this is about.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm having a hard time accepting that this is really happening.
So a dental student has died after being monitored by
doctors via telehealth, not in person, while admitted to a
Connecticut ICU. So apparently, tell ICU is a system that
critically ill ic. You patients are monitored remotely from an
off site team, but that's supposed to be in addition
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to staff that is there helping as well.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
So in a place like YA, I would think that
they wouldn't have something like this. It seems like that
is a better setup for like a really rural hospital
that doesn't have a ton of staff or something like that.
But I mean, and this is a wrongful death lawsuit,
so we're just hearing one side of the story right now.
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We don't know their side of the story and if
if all accounts are accurate, but you would I would
think personally that there should be doctors and nurses and
staff in the ICU, and then this is kind of
just in addition to make the outcomes better. And it
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seems as if their claims are there was actually no
ICU physician there at all when their son was having problems.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, like to me, I see you in telehealth don't
belong in the same sentence. I mean, we're talking about
patients that need the most critical hands on care. Whose
idea was it that was like they don't need to
be if true, who doesn't need to be seen by
anybody at all, like it just it doesn't add up
to me. I understand. If you want to try to
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maybe introduce this and like, I don't know, let's say
somebody gets admitted to the hospital. Let's think of the
case we covered over the weekend of the guy that
put the iPhone stand up his butt, right, he's in
the hospital, what for eleven days? If after a couple
of days they want to monitor him via telehealth, I
understand that, but not somebody that's in the intensive care unit.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
No, I don't really understand that at all. One of
my friends died in the hospital, and I really believe
it's because of a similar situation like that that and
it wasn't a telehealth situation, but it just was there
was no attending physician that was in charge of that
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unit there at the time. And when somebody when a
doctor's at home and gets you're losing critical time when
they have to come to the hospital because it's it's
in the middle of the night on the weekend or something.
There should always And I just can't even believe that
this is not true. And maybe I mean, like I said,
this is just the accusations by the family, So maybe
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this just isn't reported correctly because you have to say
at the same time, their twenty six year old kid
just died and one of the things was that he
was having alcohol withdrawals. So a lot of times, because
I've worked in the hospital and worked with the deaths
in the hospital for a very long time, a lot
of times families have a hard time accepting what just happened. Right, absolutely,
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and that could be part of the case. It also
could just be like their claims are one hundred percent true,
and this is messed up. But there should there should
always be an attending physician there. Now they could say,
like in the case with my friend, there was an
attending physician there, but the attending physicis was not specialized
in that particular that particular specialty that needed to be there,
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and residents just aren't cutting it. Sometimes there's really good residents,
but there's also some that are not really good. So
you and I guess you could say the same about
attendings too. But ultimately, an attending physician is a legally
certified physician to be there. So, for example, if you're
in the ICU and they're specialized in critical care medicine
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like that, you don't really just want like a family
doctor could be an attending physician too, so like a
rheumatologist can too, So okay, an orthopedic doctor, but like
they're not going to know what to do when a
person's bleeding to death or like in that situation. They
might and they might be able to handle it, but
they're not specialized in that being in the ICU and
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taking care of patients in that specific situation. So even
all the nurses and the pas and everything that are
there to help, I feel like there always should be
an attending physician for that particular specialty. But like cutting
costs this and that. They probably feel like if this
is the case, like let's say there was an attending
physician in the emergency room or an internal medicine doctor
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or something like, they feel as if if it was
that critical, that person on another floor could come up
and handle it. That's probably what happened, because that's what
happened in my friend's case. But in my friend's case,
she died, and she might have died without without the
you know, the proper physician being there, but you never
really know, and that's probably what happened in this case.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It just seems like such a massive liability. I can't
imagine if with this lawsuit is alleging I can't imagine
this is the only incident. I'm not talking like as
far as death, but I can't imagine this is the
only incident they've had.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, like I said, we don't know what this case
is because there is a possibility that this guy was
dying regardless of who was there, Like yeah, and and
they might be able to better talk of that, I'm
not sure because they I mean, the thing is is
that with the hospitals, the pas and the doctor and
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the nurses that are there, Like I hate to say this,
but like they're doing more of the work anyway, they
really know the patients. They know when something's wrong because
they're doing it all the time. It's the same as
in my profession, like when pas are in the gross
room and they're looking at gross pathology or they're doing
autopsy and looking at gross pathology. We look at it
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all day every day, like we just know it better
than the doctors who were sitting in the office looking
at the microscope slides. Like just because their doctor doesn't
mean that they know more than us in that particular case.
So it's and with the exception of like medical examiners
and stuff who are doing autopsies all day. But my
point is is that nurses are with the patients all day.
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They're taking care of them. They know when things are wrong,
they know this, They know that. Like just because a
person is an MD is kind of a false sense
of security. But ultimately that person is the one that's
responsible for making the decisions of take this person off
this med give them more med, do this, do that.
Their nurses and the PAS could have uh, they could
have opinions on what to do, but but ultimately the
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attending physician is the one that's in charge. Now, some
nurse practici like nurse practitioners and pas can also give medications,
but ultimately, I still think that they're supposed to have
an attending physician there at all times.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
All right, let's finish up with this dead penis smell story.
So a twenty six year old man ended up needing
a partial penile amputation after his penis had ballooned of
four times its normal size and had a quote death
smell coming from it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
So this guy is only he's very young, twenty six
years old and goes to the doctor, as Maria said,
because his penis swelled up four times the size he said,
So he was originally diagnosed with balinitis, and balinitis is
when this is really gross, most commonly in uncircumcised men.
This case was from the UK, so that is a
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possibility here. And we've talked about this on the show before,
but if the foreskin is not properly retracted and cleaned,
it could accumulate skin cells, semen oils, et cetera, and
make that disgusting word schmegma, right like exactly. So when
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that is there around the head of the penis for
a long time, it causes a chronic It could cause
a chronic irritation and could cause swelling and inflammation of
the head of the penis, which is called balinitis. So
they decided that that's what the guy had, and they
gave them steroid cream. And the problem with giving a
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person steroid cream, especially when that's not exactly what's going on,
and in this particular case, this guy had cancer. It
could chill out the inflammation enough to the point where
the person thinks that the thing is healing, and unfortunately,
the cancer can still be continuously progressing. So that's kind
of exactly what happened and the guys at home and
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then all of a sudden, like the thing is just
not it's just worsening, the cancer spreading worse, and it's
starting to smell so bad to the point where he
said other people could smell it on him and when
he finally went to the hospital. So that smell is
necrosis or dead tissue, which is common in cancers, especially
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a fast growing cancer, because the cancer grows so much
that it can't keep up with the blood supply. And
when when that happens, it the tumor isn't getting enough
oxygenated blood and that low oxygen environment just sets up
for some really foul smelling bacteria to grow. And that's
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what the smell is, the dead tissue and the bacteria.
I have smelled. Actually I had a case of a
dead penis once from a different situation, but it smelled
so bad. It smelled up the whole lab when we
took it out of the specimen container that was already
in formaldehyde. It just smelled so bad. And you know,
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we when we presented it at the at the GROSS
conference too, it smelled up the whole room after it
was completely penetrated with the formaldehyde. It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Would you say, that's the worst thing you've smelled.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
That's one of Yes, it is, And anyone that was
working me with with me at the time would agree
that that was one of the worst smelling things that
we ever had. It was one of those because our
lab was fairly big and we had a lot of doors,
so there was a lot and ventilation systems and stuff,
and it just was like it just was really foul.
I don't know why that particular. It smelled different than
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an amputated foot. It just was very a weird, weird smell.
But this invictated foot smell like, I mean, they it
that smells too, but this was just like a like
a different kind of gangreine smell. Like I don't really
know how to describe it. It was just very lingering.
It wasn't just like the classic rotting flesh smell. It
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just was different anyway. So one of the so he
had he had penile cancer, which is very unusual at
twenty six years old to get full blown penile cancer.
It's usually caused by HPV virus, which is the same
one that get that can happen in more commonly in
women with cervical cancer, but it it less commonly happens
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with men. But like women get the infection from men,
so like my could get it too. There's there's a
big you know, men are carriers most of the time
and just spread it to other men and to women too, obviously,
but you can rarely get penile cancer from it. So
he you know they would at that point when they
saw the necrosis, they definitely would have done a biopsy,
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and that's how it came back with that. So he's
saying that luckily he was well in doubt and was
eight inches prior to this happening because they cut off
four inches, but he still has four inches left. And
amazingly he was able and this happened years ago, but
since then he's been able to have penetrative sex and
get his partner pregnant and has a baby.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
It is because they told him that he wasn't going
to be able to have children because of the scarring
with his urethra, because you know, the semen comes out
of the eurethra, so that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't
have been able to have children because they could have
they could have gotten sperm from him another way, but
he had he had a baby the clay.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, because they could have done a sperm extraction surgery,
which is so incredibly painful for men. I've heard, so
definitely don't want to go that route if you could
avoid it. Yeah, Well that's it's a pretty good outcome
considering it could have been way worse.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have
stories or questions for us, please submit them to stories
at mothernosdeath dot com. This first one is a follow
up from Crystal about the DUI questions we were talking
about last week. So she said, Unfortunately, in my experience,
a lot of cops avoid doing DUIs when a crash
is involved and the other party is insistent that they
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are under the influence. We should one hundred percent be
doing our jobs and investigating it, but some just shy
away from lack of knowledge or laziness. We do have
to determine on our own if someone is impaired and
have a reason odor of alcohol, beverage, glassy eyes, slurring
on steadiness, et cetera. I have had people tell me
they thought someone was intoxicated, and after speaking with them,
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I just didn't have enough to go on and do
more testing.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, I understand that because this is the thing. And
I guess I told you guys this when we had
the accident last week. We were on a road called
Route seventy in Cherry Hill. It's it's not a highway,
but it's not like I don't know what you would
describe it as.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, I always wonder that too, because they have high speeds.
They're multi lane.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
High speeds, multi lanes, but traffic lights. So I think
this speed limit is forty or fi. I don't even know.
It's a higher speed limit though. It's not just like
a local road. So we were on one of those
roads and for a very long stretch of the road,
we were driving alongside these particular people that crashed into us.
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And the reason that I know that is because they
were smoked. It was a nicer day and we had
the windows down, and they had their windows down, and
both of them were smoking, and we were stuck in
traffic at certain points and all of their cigarette smoke
was coming into the car, and I was saying, how
fucking rude that is. That's That's how I know it
was them, right, And then Gabe was just like, you know,
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because his mother was a smoker, and he's just kind
of like has a particular distaste for people that are
smoking in situations like that. So we were talking about it,
like we saw them and this and that, and then
as soon as they hit us, he was like, do
you believe it was those dudes? You know? So anyway
we were it's it's not the cigarette smoking that keyed
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us off. Like I was staring at them in the
car and was like, oh my god, like what's going
on in this car like that? That's what I was
watching them for for several miles their gig, you know, Like,
so we had more observation of what was going on there,
them screaming at traffic, the driving really fast and then
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hitting the brakes really hard every time, you know, like
it just seemed like the reflexes were off. That's all.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Can we also talk about you had another incident the
curd last week when I fought.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
So I don't know why, I just was. I was
coming up the steps of my porch and I guess
I have about six steps. I was holding a bottle
of water, my iced, Macha, I think a store bag,
my purse, like I don't know you ever, just like
I feel like my legs just were like gave out.
But also in slow emotion, I was like, I'm falling.
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I caught myself. I'm falling. I'm falling like and then
it was like, okay, it's happening.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Well, I fall all the time, so I understand. I'm
sure I'm jinking myself. I'm gonna knock on wood right now.
Because of my pregnancy, I haven't fallen, thank god, but
I am a chronic faller. But the best is you
come in the house. I'm sitting in the kitchen, like,
did you not just hear me fall?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Because it was so loud because all my shit flew
out of my hands and it hit the thing and
my my leg hit the porch so hard, which I'm
still kind of like, I can't I didn't even believe
I didn't break my leg. I hit my legs so frickin' hard,
like on the edge of the top step.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Let me set the scene for everybody, though, in my defense,
your neighbor was getting their driveway totally dung up and
they were breaking up the concrete all morning. And the
house was shaking. They were dropping heavy blocks of concrete
on the ground, so the house was shaking and making
loud noises all morning. So when you fell, I just
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assumed that they were still working. And then you came
in and were like, didn't you just hear me fall?
And then you proceed to go I really hope Gabe
doesn't look at the doorbell camera. And then it registered
to me that I have access to your doorbell camera.
And then I watched it and almost peed myself laugh.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, it was very nice. Every one of my kids
was like crying, laughing, and I'm just like, oh, I'm okay, thanks.
It is really funny when somebody falls though.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
It really is. And then I tried to make it
better by showing you the video of me falling at
the restaurant holding a bus hub full of probably twenty
five pounds worth of stuff. So it happens to all
of us. But yeah, and then when we were driving
to the event Saturday morning, a ups truck made like
a crazy turn and literally missed your car by one inch.
And I'm like, if you get in two car accidents
and fall this week, you were the most unlucky person alive,
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right now, All right. Next is from Heather. Recently, on
an episode, you spoke of a passenger who died on
a flight and quickly started to smell. I understand that
the heat will speed up decomp but why do you
think she started to smell so fast? It sounds like
the smell began before being placed on the heated floor.
Is there an average amount of time in which the
smell begins.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, really, the smell can begin. The smell begins as
soon as a person dies, because as soon as a
person dies, they start to decompose. So even the times
where I've opened a person up that was still warm,
you know, I don't like doing autopsies on people that
are still warm, but I have done them in the past.
I mean, I've done an autopsy on someone that was
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within a half hour after they died, right and they,
at least internally anyway, there is still a smell that
is not I've never witnessed a surgery, but I used
to have a resident with me that was a surgery.
He was a surgery resident for years, so he was
present in a lot of surgeries and I asked him
about that. I said, when you do an open like
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a laparotomy surgery on a person. Does it smell like this?
And he said, no, it's specific to death. It doesn't
smell like that. So and so that just happens because
decomposition starts at the second that you die, although it's
not quite obvious to the external world for some time now,
decomposition could accelerate in certain deaths, especially if a person
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has a bacterial infection or a septic You could see
that the decomposition is accelerated because they already have a
lot of bacteria in their body to begin with when
they die, and they usually have a higher body temperature,
which just accelerates the decomposition. So I don't know exactly
what her cause of death was, I would assume that
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she I mean, I guess anything's possible, especially with different
kinds of infections. But like you would think that a
person that had a very high fever and was sick
wouldn't be boarding an airplane, but it's quite possible. Usually
when a person dies on a plane, it's more of
a drop dead situation, like they had a pulmonary embolism,
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or they had a heart attack or stroke or something
like that. So, but those floors if I recall are
eighty or ninety degrees, so I mean, you can it
just it all just depends. There's so many different factors
that go involved with it. Because let's say, for example,
if a person is heavier, right, they're gonna cool down slower.
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Their bodies are gonna cool down slower. So sometimes you know,
a person might die the night before and we do
the autopsy the next morning after they've been in refrigeration
and the inside of their organs are still warm because
they're they're they have so much fat around their organs
and their their body. So if the person was overweight,
that could be another factor. Because the thing is is
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that the warmer the body is, the more the bacteria
is going to multiply, and that's what it puts off gases,
and that's what gives the smell. So in a person
like a little old lady that's ninety pounds, they're gonna
cool down really fast, right. I mean, I've done autopsies
on people that are like smaller than my children that
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are adults. Just like these little old ladies. You know,
their bodies are gonna cool down so fast, whereas like
a larger person isn't going to cool down as fast.
So and then just like a plane in general, is
a plane is hot, Like what's normal room temperature like
seventy seventy Like yeah, like around there, you know, like
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that's hot. That's not refrigeration. You're talking about hours not
being in refrigeration. I mean, it could happen fast. So
there's just so many different factors. And then also you
have to take into consideration the negative pressure and the
altitude like that has an impact on it as well.
So I don't know if I really answered your question
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or not, But I don't know because I didn't examine
the body. The smell could have been. You know, you're
in a group situation. If one person says it smells
kind of funny, then everybody's like, yeah, it does smell funny.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Like you know it could yeah like that.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So all right.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Last is for Monica one hundred percent agree with the
parents being on the phone too much. I have been
a first grade elementary teacher for twenty years. We're definitely
seeing a problem with parents not being present. Kids are
coming to school not being able to have a conversation
because no one talks to them. Parents are always on
the phone and do not have conversations. We are also
of seeing an uptick and the children needing speech therapy
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because they are not getting the chance to practice speech
in the home. The saddest thing happened when our school
went on a field trip to the zoo. One parent
chaperone that was attending with their own student was allowing
their child to be on an iPad the entire trip.
They had to say, look at the monkeys, look at
the lions, et cetera. The child would glance up for
half second and then straight back to the iPad. We
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recently hosted a family night where our school counselor was
giving a presentation about how important it is to be
present and have conversations with your children. Only a few
families could say that they have dinner together on a
regular basis. During the presentation, several parents were sitting in
the back not with their children, playing on their phones.
It makes me sad for these kids.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Parents.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Please do better.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Oh my god, I hate hearing this.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It we really ridiculous that your job has to have
a presentation about how important it is to spend time
and communicate with your children.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Especially what she was just saying too. There's just a
combination of a lot of factors. But I just you know,
there was this whole period of years that we had
to wear masks or people like I was never into it,
but there's people that have that are like scared to
death and still do it to this day. But think
about having how important it is for children to just
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especially when they're learning how to speak, and then they're
speaking and they're just like watching all of these adults
and they don't see their lips moving and things like that,
because I'm I'm like a I could barely conversate with
people if I can't see their lips move too, Like
I just.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Need both of it. Yeah, I understand it.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
It's just like very hard for me to understand what
people are saying. But that in combination with the phones.
And last night we went to the Phillies game and
there was a family sitting a couple rows down from us,
and I watched that, like I just want I just
watched my surroundings and I'm just like I saw it
was like a mom and three kids that were they
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weren't they weren't big teenagers. They were probably like in
between maybe ten and fourteen years old, like all of
them including the mother, were on their phonees the entire time,
and I'm like, are you watching the baseball game? Like
what's you just paid.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Hundreds of dollars to be here to not even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I don't know, I don't know, Like it's just like
a really it's it's just like a weird thing that
I noticed. And I I especially at the schools, like
the school trip and stuff. I wish the schools had
stricter rules, honestly, Like when I was a kid, the
big thing was having like a beeper or a pager, right,
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that was like the cool thing, Like especially if you
went to the mall and got it airbrushed, like with
your name or something. You were just like so cool.
So if we brought one of those to school and
our teachers saw it, they would take it and they
would put it in their desk for the entire year.
They were like, you could have it back on the
last day of school. So every one of them, we
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were all like, all right, we're not bringing it to
school because like it's going to get taken away and
back then Like if my mom was just like I
don't think this is right. I need this to get
a hold of my daughter. They'd be like, oh, well,
she she brought it in school and she wasn't allowed
to have it. How do we go from that to now?
It's just like we're afraid to tell parents on a
school trip that their kid can't have an iPad.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
That's absolutely ridiculous. Like I understand if you want to
give it to your kid at home during your free time,
but when you're going out in public or you're at
a party or something, there's no reason they need to
have that thing.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I tried, like I've always tried. I was really really
good with it until the pandemic, Like my kids didn't
even use it at all until the pandemic. And then
when we couldn't hang out with anybody, and it was
like my kids weren't socializing. One of my friends had
told me about the Facebook messenger thing and they could
talk to each other, and then I was like, okay,
I'll get like, let them have the iPads and this
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and that, and then that turned into them being on
them way too much of the day because they were
like hanging out with their friends. It was so weird.
So a lot of parents like, we're just in this
weird thing that we got stuck in that and now,
like I I pulled back a lot from the pandemic,
but still like they're they're on it all the time,
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like they just are. That's what they That's what kids
want to do. They just it's just like a different
way of being a kid. But I am pretty hardcore
about them having it in public like that. You know,
it's a little different now because Lilian just got a
phone this year at thirteen, and you know, she always
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wants to take this is the excuse, Like I'm not dumb.
Kids are like, oh, I want to bring it with
me so I could take pictures, And I'm like, okay,
I just.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Got her that camera. So she actually doesn't need it
because she take pictures on that disposa.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
It's not the same. It's it's not the same.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
I know it's not. But you can always try to
be like, well you have this other thing. It's not
like you can't take pictures.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Well actually, so actually yesterday was the first game that
we went to since she had the phone, So I
told her, because she does. The thing is is I
want to let her take pictures because she's actually like
very artistic and she's she takes really nice pictures. She
gets that from you and Gabe, because like, clearly I
take the worst ones in the world, so I do
(51:31):
want to I feel like she she takes really artsy pictures.
But I said to her, like, if I look over
at you and I see you are texting on that,
I'm taking it away and you're never allowed to bring
it even in the car for the rest of the games.
So I felt like she was pretty good about it,
like you know, and it just it just sucks because
(51:53):
like all of these stories we cover, it's it's a
it's an addiction, like everybody's addicted to it, and you
think about it. Even last night from the game, I
posted my mystery diagnosis, Like I was sitting there for
five minutes and I'm like, oh, I need to do this.
If you say to any adult, like, oh, you can't
be on your phone for four hours, it's kind of
(52:13):
a lot for some people.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Well, this is like kind of where I was getting
with the article I wrote and stuff, and when we
were talking about this last week, Like for us, I
find it's a particularly difficult balance because a lot of
our work is done on the phone and on social media,
so it's like hard to know when to turn it
off and when you have to be on and like,
(52:35):
of course they have you can like schedule stuff now,
But sometimes we just don't have the ability to not
be on it all the time as other people are
because it is part of our job.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, but but not like like last night, for example,
because like I do Mystery Diagnosis every week, so I'm
just kind of like this has to be posted at
a certain time because it's getting late, and I don't
mess with the pre things because I just don't. I
don't care to work with technology like that. But other
than that, I don't really care about being on it
(53:10):
like that. But with kids, I guess kids too, this
is the way that the world is now, you know.
She takes a picture of something you remember you got
like you guys were on the big screen a couple
times last night, yes, And the first thing she wants
to do is like send it to one of her friends. Right,
(53:31):
And that's the thing that we need to teach kids,
Like I feel like I'm constantly beating that into their heads.
It's like just because your phone rings doesn't mean you
have to answer it right now. Because I grew up
in a time I actually remember being a kid before
there was even like call waiting and answering machines, and
my parents never I don't think that we ever got
an answering machine. So it's just like if you called
(53:54):
your friend and they didn't answer, it was like they
weren't home and they'll call you when they get back
like that. There's no there's there's too much of like
I need to know this now, need to be immediate,
need to text my friend right now, No, I.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Think, and there needs to be a balance with that
because so I definitely fall in the category of like
an immediate responder and I no idea.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
And I'm opposite. I'm just kind of like I don't
actually ever have to text you back or ever call
you back, or ever write you back, Like I don't
owe that to anybody.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, but I've been seeing like with work related things,
for example, there's now the extreme opposite where people won't
write you back for weeks and it does cross the
line of like, okay, this is like really rude and
like you could at least be acknowledge you got my
message and you don't have the answer for me right now.
It doesn't have to be seconds after you receive it.
(54:44):
But if like three days goes by and you know
you're not gonna have the answer for a week or two,
don't leave me hanging for two weeks, because that's just rude.
You know.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, Like work is just a different works, a different scenario.
I'm just saying socially, Yeah, so you don't you don't
have to do that, like I I'm I very much
try to be like that because it's just like sometimes
like because I'm no, you know, we do eat dinner
together every single night, and when I'm a no phones
(55:15):
at the table, person like it's upstairs in their room
their iPads, their phones, whatever. But sometimes you hear it ringing,
and then it's like the kids like, well, that's that's
probably her, Like I have to go get it right now,
And I'm like, now you don't. You don't trust me.
You'll survive if you just finish your food and then
go talk to your friend. You don't have to. And
then they'll say like, well, let me just tell her,
(55:36):
I'll call her after dinner. No, you don't have to give.
You don't have to be a slave to someone like
that that you owe them an explanation as to why
you're not answering their call. Yeah, Like it's it's just
like I'm so hard about that because it's it's it's
not a good way to be that you feel like
you have to make excuses as to why you didn't
(55:58):
write back. Oh, I didn't to email you back of this.
I didn't text you back because of this. It's just
like you don't have to explain yourself.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
No, no, I don't ever need an explanation, so to speak,
because then I feel like people start getting into like
I had a family emergency, Like I don't need to
know what's going on in your personal life just for
a work thing is specific. If you don't have the
answer for me right now, at least after like forty
eight hours goes by, can you at least be like, hey,
saw your email. I'll get back to you with the
(56:24):
answers in a couple of days. That's all I miss.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
And that's the thing that this particular listener is talking
about with the bringing the phone to the zoo. It's
just like a lot It's funny because when you talk
about kids going to the zoo, a lot of kids
hate that school trip. I hate they hate it. They
(56:48):
don't You've always hated it. There's a lot there's just
like even with the kids, I used to have the
zoo pass when I was homeschooling them and stuff, and
I'd be like, we're going to the zoo today, Like
if it like they might be more excited if their
friends are gonna be there and they're gonna meet up.
But like, I just feel like a lot of it
is people don't enjoy the zoo a lot. It's I
(57:13):
don't know, Like I just I find that talking to
some people. Right, So if you're gonna give a choice
to a kid between YouTube videos of like them watching
people play with squishy toys or watching an animal at
the zoo, like, they're gonna pick the YouTube video, so
you have to not even give them the option because
they're gonna pick that obviously, if if you gave us
(57:38):
the option of like going and sitting doing something boring
versus like that's That's the thing with the phone, it's
like the ultimate It makes everyone the ultimate narcissist. The
phone is one hundred percent designed to make to be
for you, for you, for you. It's all what you want,
it's what you want to see, it's what you want
to do. So like you can't give it to them
(57:59):
and sit you where it's not all about you. That's
just how it is for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
All right, Well, we want to thank again Joe, Jacklane,
Scott Duffy, Bella, everyone at NMS that participated in our
live shows this weekend. It was really awesome, and especially
to our grocerroom community for showing up. You guys are
truly the best.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, it was. It was really really awesome, and we
did get to raise money for a really important cause
for us at least, which is the future of forensics
and the summer program there. I just I'm so I
was actually talking so Bella was a former student of
this summer program for forensics, and I just told her
(58:43):
how lucky she was that that was available to her
as a teenager, because she's she's so young, and she
already got to experience what it would be like working
in a real forensic lab, and that's going to help
guide her towards what she's going to want to do
for a career. And I just like, I wish I
(59:04):
had something like that, because especially when I first started
learning about this field, I was so eager to learn
and thirsty for the knowledge, and I just it was
hard to even when I got to shadow at places,
it was just like, oh I got to go watch
blood getting taken or something like that. Like I really
had to push hard to just weasel my way into
(59:25):
seeing an autopsy, seeing a surgical dissection like which I
was able to do. But it was just like a
lot of work on my end, and this is this
is just really awesome.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
So no, it was super cool, and just like we're
so thankful for all of our listeners and everything. You
guys were truly awesome, and both nights really had a
great turnout, and it was really fun to be all
of you in person, to get actually like have the
room to talk and mangle a little bit too, you know,
because sometimes when we're doing other events, they're like a
little rush or we don't have a lot of time
for it. But it was nice to just like kind
(59:56):
of hang out with everybody.
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, and it was it was too whole days too.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
So yeah, it was really great. Yeah. Okay, guys, well,
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Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Se Ya, thank you for listening to Mother Noos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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