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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with the vehicular homicide
death of Johnny Goudreau and his brother. The defense team
of Sean Higgins, the man who hit them with his
car is now saying that he was not legally drunk,
so we'll get into that. Then we're going to talk
about defamation on social media and how it pertains to
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influencers and how one case is trying to send a
message to the world that it is not okay. And
over the past couple weeks, there have been events and
award shows that are now making us questioned if the
heroin shekh look is back from the nineties. Then we
have a disturbing true crime case where a mother is
being investigated for potentially using her teen daughter as a surrogate.
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And we'll finish up with the micro penis challenge. All
that and more. Get into your comments, questions, emails on
today's episode. Johnny Grudeau Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I can't say it's a difficult last name if you're
not used to it, but god, I just I feel
so bad for this family. So the guy who's been
accused of drunk driving and killing Johnny Gudroau and his
brother Matthew, he's now trying to prove he was under
the legal limit when the accident happened, and he wants
the whole case thrown out.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So this is going to actually end up being a
really interesting case that might change some laws and stuff.
Because if you remember back in what, oh it looks
like it was back in February, was it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
This year or last year? It had to be last year.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It had to be last year, right, So in February
we talked about the actual limits because new information came
out about the brothers as well. So the driver was
zero point zero eight seven blood alcohol level, which is
like a smidge over the legal limit because the legal
limit is zero point zero eight So it was like
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one one hundredth or seven one hundredths above what it
normally should be would be considered legal. Right, It's still above,
but still above, but like a hair above.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Then new information came out after the autopsies were done
on the brothers that they were actually more drunk than
the driver was. They were drunk bike riding, so Johnny's
was point one two nine and the brothers was point
one three four, which is significantly higher than what the
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drivers was. The brothers was was really almost double of
what the brothers or what the drivers was. So but
in the state of New Jersey, so this is going
to be like a law thing versus what actually should be.
But as of right now, in the state of New Jersey,
it's not considered illegal to ride a bike under the
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influence of alcohol. It's just considered disorderly conduct. It's not
the same as driving a car legally drunk. So that
was their first argument that they tried to bring up
last year, and now this year they're saying that, you know,
they're getting experts, toxicology experts and stuff like that. And
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they tested apparently just his plasma, which was zero point
zero eight, which is at the legal limit. But then
they said they tested his whole blood, and when they
tested his whole blood, it was zero point zero seven
to five, which would put him under the legal limit.
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So like, legally, if he was not considered to be
driving while intiexicated, even though if he said he was, like,
what this blood test, if this blood test can stand
up in court I don't really, I don't know if
it can because it is only what five it's all
sincerely under. Yeah, it's it's it barely is, but it's under.
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It doesn't matter like legally speaking, it's under.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But all right, like there is a question I have
for you. So like for example, like some people are
able to have a couple of drinks and feel fine
enough to drive, right, but they might test over the limit.
If I have one glass of wine, I don't feel
comfortable to dry. But that's not what's no I know,
but I'm saying if they took my blood, though, would
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I be under the legal limit? No, I know my head,
I'm not comfortable to draw. That's that's not what the
law states.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Though it doesn't matter like the law has Like if
it let's say, for example, no one got killed with
the car. If he if he got pulled over with
that blood alcohol level, if it was zero point zero
seven five, he would not get a ticket, He would
not get a DUI. He wouldn't it's lee you're because
you're allowed to have a couple of drinks and drive.
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You just are so like they're just trying to find
a loophole to get his number lowered by a hare
in order for him to be because that would be
a huge charge that fell off because right now he's
charged with first degree aggravated manslaughter, reckless vehicular homicide, leaving
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the scene of a fatal accident, and tampering with physical evidence,
So he could face up to seventy years behind bars
if he's convicted on all counts.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But I'm not even.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure that they would be able to charge him with
first degree aggravated manslaughter if he wasn't legally drunk.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So not saying he.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Couldn't because he did leave the scene of the accident
and he did do all this other stuff, but like
the guest charges are resting on that he was drunk
while he was driving, and if they take that blood
testing to consideration, it's going to be a huge change
for this case.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
No, totally, And I really understand pointing out that the
brothers were also drunk, but like he still was also
maybe drunk or intoxicate on some level and still hit
them resulting in their death. So, like what happened the
day of was there saying another car slowed down because
they saw them on the bikes, and then this guy
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decided to pass that car and then hit them in
the process and then drove down. He left the scene completely,
so he said he pulled over a quarter mile down
the road and that's where cops found him, and he
admitted to the officers that he had five or six drinks.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, but I mean that that doesn't matter though what
he said, no, because he could have had and it
was it was in the morning, correct.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, it was it was the night before. I feel
like it was like late afternoon or early evening, the
night before their sister's wedding. I think it happened right
before Labor Day weekend maybe or the weekend before. It
was right around like late August early September of twenty
twenty four. Yeah, I mean, like, listen, it just could
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be a difference between guy was driving like a jerk
versus guy was drunk driving but he still killed them,
is what I'm getting at. So, like I understand they
could get the bigger charges thrown out if they could
prove he was actually under the legal limit, but like
he still was driving recklessly that resulted in their deaths.
So like he can't have the entire case thrown out.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They just need to come up with the new st
People kill have vehicular homicide all the time and they're
not under the influence, and they don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Go to jail for it. It just not even manslaughter
or something. It depends on the situation. Everything is.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It depends on the situation. Like there was a way
who said he saw them? Did the witness say that
they were swerving into the road or this or that?
Like there's so much to go on, but like we
know that they were drunk riding a bicycle, so and
maybe that needs to be taken into consideration because if
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you can't drink and drive at that level, you can't
really ride a bike straight at that level either. But
since the guy did illegally pass, he definitely will probably
I assume that he would be getting charged with that
because he did break laws. He illegally passed and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's what I'm saying. It's not like you or I
just innocently driving down the road going to target, but
on this bicyclist just comes out in front of you
and they die, right, Like this guy was driving like
a dickhead, regardless of whether he was drunk or not.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So like like driving on Roote one thirty and like
anybody that lives near me knows that this happens. There
is a nursing home on Route one thirty, which is
it's not a highway. It's a six lane.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like what would you call that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's not really a highway, but it's it's fast and
people are driving anywhere up to seventy miles an hour.
It's a bad road, and there's there's accidents on it
all the time because I guess at times and at
certain points people drive as fast as it's a highway.
But it has turns, not like exits. It has like
turns like turn in the parking lot of McDonald's, like
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off of the side of this road, so you have
people coming to a complete stop. So anyway, there's a
nursing home on Route one thirty that, like, I don't
know if it's nursing or assisted living whatever. Lets the
patients out on in their jazzy chairs, no sidewalk, no sidewalk,
and they're in the middle of the road going from
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like one store, you know, parking lot to another. And
there's been multiple times that I'm just like, why did
I just have a near miss with somebody in a
jazzy chair that's that's like old It's just that's the
weirdest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Ever. This is the big difference I'm talking about. It's
not like you're innocently driving down the street and someone
on a jazzy just all of a sudden wings it
out of this driveway and you don't see them. Right, Like,
this guy still did something wrong, whether he was drunk
or not, that resulted in him hitting them and them dying.
So like he can't just get off scot free. He
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needs to have some type of responsibility in this for
still driving like an asshole.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, and I don't even know that that the that
this blood test will hold up in court, but yeah,
like they might.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I don't know, they're gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They're gonna have to have, you know, some kind of
toxicologists state that why this is different than this, and
you can that's definitely the case when you have when
you're testing someone for substances that it presents differently in
different if you do vitreous fluid or blood or tissues, like,
you could get different levels. So in these particular cases
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they might say no, Like the blood alcohol level for
the state of New Jersey is based on plasma rates
and then the guy's beat, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mean where it stands now is the prosecution basically
has to agree that the test was wrong or incorrect,
and then he, I think, will then be eligible to
face a new grand jury to determine a new set
of charges basically which are going to be significantly less.
I'm telling you, which what like, listen, if that's the case,
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it is what it is like obviously as like a
huge hockey family in my household. This is devastating, But
like I can sit back and analyze the whole situation
and be like, if that's the case and he really
was legally under the limit, I like understand where the
charges are coming from. But I think this guy has
had this cockiness this whole time. I mean, remember when
this first happened and they told me to stay in
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jail the whole weekend, and he rolled his eyes on
camera like you just killed two fucking people, Like what
are you talking about? Like sorry that you're inconvenienced. It's
just insane to me. And then like the timing of
I just feel so horrible for this family because it's
like they already went through this great tragedy. They lost
both these brothers it was the night before their sister's wedding.
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Like how horrible of a scenario it could be. And
then his number one dream in life was to be
an Olympic hockey player. So when the team USA just
won the gold medal, they like held up his jersey,
they brought his kids out, they flew the whole family
out to watch the game. And then like two days later,
this evidence drop or this new bomb drops, and it's like,
(12:30):
can you give this lady a freaking break please? I
feel so bad for their wives.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean that's what happens in general when any tragic
death happens, that people have to keep I mean think about, well,
the next case, we're gonna talk about the Idaho murders,
and it's just like think about all the shit. Like
every week, it's like something comes out and just like
rehashes it for them, and it's it's unfortunate, but that's
that's the way it is. I mean, I was thinking
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about this about Nancy Guthrie as of right now. I
mean we're not even going to talk about that case
because like nothing has really happened.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But like let's say that was just a random robbery, right,
Like how unlucky are you to be breaking the law
or being some kind of criminal and so happened to
hit someone that's like of such, like that's so well known.
It's the same with this guy, Like if he just
hit a random person riding their bike in that town,
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like it wouldn't even barely be on the news. It's like, like,
what terrible luck do you have that you still happen
to do this? And it's like super famous people in
that particular circumstance that you just explained. I mean yeah,
because it's like take away this whole Olympic thing. Like
he just signed like some record breaking contract right before
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he died too. He's considered one of the best players
right now. And like, let me tell you of like
in the middle of a bar in New York City
and they pull the kids out in the jersey to
like cry. I'm like, this is so horrible. Did you
also just see you speaking at drunk drivers that justin
Timberlake is like just filed something trying to have the
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police not released the bodycam footage.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I did see that, and I was like so excited
about it because it has to be really bad if
he doesn't want it released.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And and like that will make it really good for us.
Oh yeah, on TV he's like worried about it ruining
his reputation, like don't drunk drive. I don't know what
to tell you, Like, I don't know, I probably did
that whole like do you know who I am? Thing?
You know? No, didn't he do something like that? They
were like he didn't. He mumble something like this is
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gonna mess up the tour and the cop was like,
what tour? And he was like the world tour? What?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, let's get into this. This TikToker that falsely
accused a professor. So this is this is like same
with the Nancy Guthrie thing. It's this is setting a
precedent that you can't just make up shit to get
clicks because you could get in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Now, I think this is a pretty groundbreaking case. So
a couple of weeks after the Idaho murderers, before we
even knew about coburger or anything. Which side note, like
I think people keep comparing this to the Nancy Guthrie thing,
and it's like, I don't think. I don't think it's
going in that direction where they've known the whole time.
It doesn't really look good, right, but remember we had
those couple of weeks where we really didn't know if
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police knew anything, but they were kind of on him
the whole time. So whatever. So in this timeframe before
we knew about Coburger, theories were going crazy online about
who killed the students. And this one theory that was
put out by this TikToker was that a University of
Idaho professor named Rebecca Schofield was responsible for their deaths.
And fast forward to now that we know that this
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is not true and it was Coburger in fact that
killed the kids, this lady has sued the TikToker for defamation.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So this TikToker believes that she has psychic abilities and
testified that she read tarot cards that led her to
this professor to help her solve the homicides, posted photos
of her, her contact information, and claims that she had
an affair with one of the female victims and had
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ordered the death of these students. Like, listen, this lady's
out of her mind anyway for just saying that shit
out loud, and she actually if she actually believed it,
Like maybe she needs to get looked at for having
some kind of psychological disorder where she can't separate reality
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from whatever fiction's going on in her head.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And she was so confident in this defense that she
represented herself. So she's like a total whack job. We
know this, but like just to think of her being
on the stand truly being like, well, I could read
tarot cards and this is where it led me. So
so that's my defense, Like are you joking?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I don't know, but like, so she's a TikToker, So
I guess there's a possibility if she was getting a
lot of views during this time, that she made a
shit ton of money, right, so.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She what did they award her? Like millions of dollars? Oh,
this is the best part. So like they only won.
They only the woman, the professor only requested. I think
she originally requested one point eight million dollar payout and
then she revised it to a million dollar payout, and
they left punitive damages up to the jury and the
jury was like, Okay, this lady's gonna pay you ten
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million dollars. Think about the bad impression this woman made
on the jury for them to literally make the amount
ten times more than requested, So.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm assuming, like, cause I don't this isn't like I mean,
I don't know. I don't go on TikTok, so I
don't know, but like, is she is she making that
kind of money that she really could ever pay that back?
Or this is going to be like the rest of
her life whenever she gets money, like she has to
give it.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To this woman. That seems like what it's going to be. Yeah,
I mean, I really don't know this woman's financial state,
but like think about if she has a ten million
dollar judgment against her, like any time she goes to
buy real estate or major purchases or whatever, like the
money is going to have to go directly to the professor.
But like, I think this is kind of awesome because
people are going online saying whatever they want, no founded evidence,
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and they don't get in trouble for it, and in
some cases it ruins people's lives. Like this lady was
describing that she had terrible anxiety, she developed PTSD and
made it really hard for her to go to her job,
and she lost money as a result of that, and
it's all because of these totally unfounded claims. Well can
you imagine that though like that, especially before they found
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Brian Coburger, Like, you're you're going to school. I mean
she taught near there, right, University of Idaho. She at
the same school the students were going to. Yes, so
of course you know it's and listen, I'm gonna say
the same thing about about Tomato Tomato Tomaso from the
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Nancy Guthrie case, Like they he was out there with
Savannah Guthrie. The three of them were arm in arm
yesterday out front of the mom's house for the first time,
looking at the flowers that were laid out and everything,
and which in my opinion makes me think that Savannah
doesn't think he's involved at all, and neither does the sister,
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because they were locked arm in arm like out front
of the house, like in solidarity, looking at the shrines
that were put up for the mom. And that guy
is forever he's forever tarnished now, Like all of the
comments underneath are like he looks like the guy in
the video. He's the same height, this, this and.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
This, and I'm like, I'm pretty not that I have
the best confidence in this investigation, but like I'm pretty
sure they ruled him out. They returned the car to
the family the other day. So like, now, what, like
that guy's always going to be looked at. What if
this case never gets solved, Like everybody for the rest
of that guy's life is going to say that he
was involved, and like what if he really wasn't?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, for sure. I think the difference is with like
somebody like Ashley Banfield that released that information, is like,
she has this source and obviously she'd have to give
up her source if anything legal happened to back her
up and say where she got that, Like we don't
know that source might work in that police department, Like
we just don't know who it is that gave her
that information. But like in this case, this woman is
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saying a tarot card led her to this person and
she made it up based on that. I mean, come on,
it's it's more.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's actually more alarming that people were like watching these
videos and following along with it and even making this
woman's life hell.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, like what was the basis And like not
that this makes it right either, but it's not like
she made one video about this that went viral, Like
she made a whole series of videos about this woman
starting in November of twenty two November of twenty twenty two,
when this crime occurred, and then continuing until August of
twenty twenty five, despite getting a series of cease and desists.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, she's a moron. Well remember when that whole thing
was going down with Princess Kate and she was missing
for a month, and those those two girls were making
videos every single day, like basically saying that her and
William were getting divorced and he was cheating on her
and all this stuff. And then she came out and
was like, oh I have cancer. Yes, I mean, but
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so like in those cases, I guess it's just how
it's worded, because I feel like there's so many cases
like that where people aren't getting in trouble for saying
shit that's not true, or maybe they just think that
they're small potatoes and they don't want to do anything
about it. But I know those girls were getting like
millions of views over the course of those couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh yeah, I mean their page like seriously blew up.
But then when it came out, they deleted all of
the videos to try to scrub it. But as we know,
it's like you already got paid out for it, right,
So it's like if the firm wanted to go after them,
we know they could still pull up all the videos
in the back end. I mean, I don't think people
understand that things they put on the internet are literally
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forever or like people won't have a problem outing you,
Like this is my personal beef with like those celebrity
blind item pages because you can write them an email
and say literally whatever you want. You can call any
celebrity you want a pedophile or say they did horrific
things and they just post it and like they don't
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care what happens to these people. Yeah, it's not cool.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Really, it really isn't like if a rumor is made
about someone that's like really not true, it's just not
because you know, that doesn't that doesn't go away ever,
because there's always gonna be a small population of people
that think that it really is true.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well exactly, And that's the problem with this because it's
like I've been saying this, like as as a nosy person,
we established before like I'm nosy, I like gossip and everything,
But after following like this one page in particular on
Instagram for a full year, I was like, this is
like going beyond like juicy celebrity news, and it's like
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kind of fucked up, Like you're saying, like a married
guy with kids is like having sex with like hookers
in a hotel room, and nobody knows if that's founded
evidence or not, and they're just putting it out there
as if it's fact. And that's what I don't like
about it. And then of course if it is true,
it's very juicy it is, and that's a problem because
sometimes the things they post do end up coming true
(23:53):
and then the girls like see I you heard it
here first, blah blah blah, Like no, this is this
is a problem and you're probably ruining people's lives to
some degree. I don't know. I don't like it. Okay,
So what about I mean, we didn't really talk about this.
Have we talked about Kelly Osbourne yet? We did on
(24:13):
our YouTube live. We've talked about Kelly Osbourne a couple
times on our YouTube live because I mean, she's had
this absolutely drastic appearance change since her dad died. Of course,
at first people were attributing it to being on weight
lost drugs. She's saying it's due to her immense grief,
her appearance at the brit Awards over the weekend is
(24:34):
seriously concerning to look at. I mean, people are like
going after her, telling her she looks like a dead
body and everything, and like I'm looking at her as
like she she needs help.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, and I that's what I thought. You know what
it actually coincides with. So I you know, I'm writing
a celebrity death book and I was writing about Karen
Carpenter this week, right, And for those of you who
don't know who she is or you're too young. In
nineteen eighty three, Karen Carpenter was a singer and she
had a little band with her brother, not a little,
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a big, huge, I don't know you call it a
band or a group. It just was her and her brother,
and I guess they had people playing other instruments too,
if that was a band. I mean, you know her songs,
the Christmas song, the Merry Christmas Darling is like a
big one. But what's the one from Shrek Top I'm
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on the top of the world, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm on the top of the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Okay, So, like most people know who she is if
you heard, if you heard one of her songs, and
it kind of like it kind of unfolded in front
of everyone's eyes. But nobody talked about eating disorders back
in the late seventies and early eighties, so it was
like people definitely were like, something's up with her, that
(25:55):
something sick, because you get this like skeleton looking appearance.
And in interviews, she said that she started off at
so she's five foot five and said she was one
hundred and forty five pounds, and she always considered herself
to be like a chunky teenager, which I'm pretty sure
anybody listening right now is like, that's just a normal
that's considered a normal weight.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
One hundred and forty five, five foot five. Yeah, that's
I mean, that's what I consider like real scary for me. Yeah,
that's what I weighed on my wag day exactly. You're like,
that's like my ideal weight. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So so one hundred and forty five pounds, and then so
that's what she said, she was chunky, and but like
if you do her BMI, she's within normal limits. So
like there's she wasn't considered overweight or obese at that
at that particular weight, but then over the course of
the next couple of years, it's like she went on
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some extreme diet and went down the one hundred and
twenty pounds and then next time you saw her she
was ninety pounds and then at her lowest she was
seventy eight pounds. So like people saw it on TV
because she performed live and on TV all the time,
and but like nobody nobody knew what was happening. And
then all of a sudden, like she she dies. She
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she was super young, right, so they you know, going
in her history and looking at it and finally trying
to bring awareness to it and stuff. It's just like, oh,
like she went on these extreme diets and then she
didn't lose enough weight, so then she started abusing laxatives.
They were saying she was taking up the ninety pills
a day sometimes. She started taking certain medications to make
her throw up, which is actually what caused her because
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it's toxic to the cardiac muscle.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's what caused her death.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But just like the extreme malnutrition, the wasting away, like
it wastes away your your muscles, and it wastes away
eventually you'll start wasting away your heart muscle as well.
So like I'm writing this up and then I'm looking
at Kelly Osborne the same way, Like before her dad died,
she probably was taking the shot. Like I don't want
(27:59):
to say that she was because I don't know, but
she probably was because she she's always struggled with being
what she would consider to be a little chunky, even
though most people are like, that's just what she looks like.
But we know that her mom takes it. Her mom
is admitted to taking it and having a problem with
actually losing too much weight and not being able to
put it back on. That's what her mother said years ago.
(28:21):
So now she possibly could have been taking it for this,
but then all the stuff started going down with her
dad and he started getting sick and then he died,
like it was like a boom boom boom. And now
that we've seen her post his death, you're like, Okay,
this is like all these comments of people saying she
looks old and she's taking ozempic, Like it's far beyond
(28:43):
her taking ozempic at this point, Like she's she's having
like full on kikectic look malnutrition anorexia, like and like
any medical profession looking at her is just like, oh
my god, this is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So scary for her.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, not making fun of her, just concerned, Like I'm
scared she's gonna end up being like Karen Carpenter. Like
I don't know how tall Kylie Osborne is, but she
looks like she weighs under one hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now she's so frail. She yeah, look it up right now,
that's the thing. That's the thing. Like she's she's slamming
people criticizing her appearance. And I understand that like in
any world we could live. In any world we live,
and we can be like people should not be going
on other people's instagrams and leaving comments that say, you
(29:31):
look like a dead body, Like it's just it's unnecessary, right,
But like we've surpassed a point of her just looking
thin and people calling her out, Like we also can't
just stand by and watch somebody deteriorate before our eyes
and not say anything. I think I said this on
YouTube on Friday, like cause we were talking about something similar,
like people were criticizing Emma Stone or something for her appearance,
(29:52):
and I'm like, I think she just is that thin,
and she's always been that thin. I didn't think she
looked that concerning, but like with Catherine O'Hara, for example,
people on social media were like, I didn't even realize
she was sick. I just thought she was on nozembic, which, like,
think about that statement, right, All these people are taking
these drugs and looking sickly that when there is a
person that actually has cancer and is sick, it's not
(30:15):
standing out to somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, and I one of the things that is bothering
me about the Kelly Osbourne thing is is kind of
the opposite when I when she just posted the most
recent pictures number one, like I personally feel that she
should have people in her life, stylist and stuff that
wouldn't put her. She was wearing like a like a
(30:38):
tank top type of dress that really showed, you know,
her bones and her upper chest and her collar bones.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It just makes.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It and her back and you could see her ribs
through her skin and everything. Like, maybe try to cover
her up a little so it's not so obvious with
a longer sleeve dress or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, I don't think she thinks she has a problem,
So maybe she does have people All times.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
She does because she's she's fighting back and saying like
clearly like I'm going through something and I don't think
it's right to go like she knows, she knows something's up.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, this is another point I want to make too, Like,
at the end of the day, whether it's right or not,
you're a public figure and you're putting yourself out there
by posting pictures of you looking like this and going
to award shows accentuating these new new features on your body.
Of course people are gonna say something. It's just the
world we live in. So like, I'm not saying whether
that's right or wrong. That's just the world we live in.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But why, I guess what I'm concerned is why when
I go underneath her picture she posts, are there so
many people that are telling her that she looks great
and beautiful? Cause that's what's really That's what's really bothering me,
because from a strictly medical perspective, I'm just like, she's
sick and needs help, and nobody should be encouraging this
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at all. Like it's not about the way she looks,
it's about.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, there's trials and then there's enablers, right, So like
we live in this world where there's both, and like
I understand there's people that want to be nice and
people should be nicer her, but we should not be
encouraging this.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And I think like you're right with like Emma Stone
has always been a thin person. Demimore too, but she
looked terrible to me, just like terribly terribly skinny.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Just too.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's like there was another model that was going viral,
one of the hidid people were on the going viral
in a video.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
This week too, and I'm just like, these people.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Like are really really really thin, Like it's why are
we so extreme?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Like it was just like everybody was supposed to be
obese a couple of years ago, and now it's like, oh,
let's go in the complete opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And now everybody is is like do you how often
do you really see like actors and stuff that are
just kind of like normal that might have a gut,
like might just like what you see in the general
population all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's just nuts you don't. And I guess that was
a lot of the argument, like in that America's Next
Top Model thing, for example, I know you watched it
over the weekend. We didn't talk about what you thought
about it, but I think they were trying to point
out like that's just a fashion industry and like to
some extent like it is. But we just live in
a very different world than we did even twenty years ago,
you know, the way we see body types.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, So I mean I hope I could just assume
that Calli Osborne. I mean, she's got money and resources.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I don't think she's not gonna go to.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
All these shows because they're all like it's a lot
of pressure because her dad's getting all of these awards
and honors and stuff, and like she has to go,
like it's she's like the face of.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That brand and that family.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But I don't I just hope that they're trying to
get some kind of help for her. That's all like, yeah,
because I don't want to see what happened to Karen
Carpenter happen. I mean with Karen Carpenter, it was different
because it was the it was the early eighties, and
her her people were going to her parents and telling
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them to get help and they But back then it
was just like, oh, you only go to a psychiatrist
or a psychologist if you are crazy in quotes. Yeah,
and now it's like no, this is this is like
a legit medical disorder and mental disorder and you need
to get help for it. So and you could see
like the like the death of her dad is a
(34:25):
huge deal. He's like her whole identity on top of
being like this loved person, And I mean you could
see why why it would be like eating a white hirr,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, And that's what I understand what she's saying, Like
she's she has immense grief and that's affecting her. And
I understand that one hundred percent. But I'm like, you
can't just let that consume your whole life. Like at
some point, if it's making you unhealthy, you have to
address it, you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Actually, one of my friends that I used to work with,
this kind of happened to her, Like her dad got
diagnosed with cancer, just diagnosed. He's still alive, by the way,
and this was twenty years ago almost he got diagnosed,
and she like went down such a rabbit hole about
it that she started like losing a lot of weight
(35:18):
and not eating and just coming into work like looking
like she hadn't taken a shower of brush her hair
for a couple of days, and like it really really
affected her and it was crazy to sit back and
watch it and just be like, Yo, he's gonna be
all right, dude, just like RelA, you know, just like
sometimes people just you can't talk to them and just
make them feel better about it. They're like convinced. I mean,
(35:41):
in her case, the dad did die, but sometimes it
just triggers stuff that maybe she wasn't really ready to handle.
I feel like he was saying, they were saying that
he had this diagnosis of Parkinson's and stuff before he died,
but maybe they weren't quite ready for it. How it
went down so fast, and that's what's putting her into this.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I don't know, it's hard to tell. This episode is
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And then just this like weird plane crash curse with
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to sign up. All right, I can't even believe this story.
All right, So police got a call about a possible
sexual assault of a fourteen year old girl at an
apartment building. They get there and find this girl is
pregnant with twins, and now they're investigating whether the pregnancy
(37:44):
was the result of a sexual assault or if the
mother was possibly using her as a surrogate. The mom
said to police that she desperately wanted to have siblings,
but she said that she would not allow her boyfriend
to have sex with the daughter, and the mom couldn't
carry any more kids, but really wanted kids with the boyfriend.
(38:06):
So like, I mean, either way, this is this is
messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Is she just trying to cover for the fact that
he raped her and and got her pregnant, and it's
just trying to say, like, oh, she really she just
wanted to carry the baby to get like a lesser
charge or something.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't know. Well, yeah, because they're so they're saying,
you're investigating if she was assaulted by the boyfriend or
if they used an alternative method such as her being
a surrogate, right, But like, how would they inseminate her themselves?
I guess I guess they have at home insemination kids.
So never mind, that is possible. But regardless, it's like
(38:47):
it's a child, child's child abuse either still assault of
some nature.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yes, it one hundred percent. Is like so, now this
poor kid is fourteen years old and pregnant, so they're
her kids. She's pregnant with two babies now twins on
top of that, and now she just got taken away
from her her other sibling and her mother, So like cool,
she's in child protective services right now and pregnant with
(39:13):
twins and do this month like she's due very soon,
Like cool, really cool to induce on your child like that.
So I don't know like how they would even really
prove and investigate this, Like obviously they're gonna do DNA
to see what if the if the baby's his, and.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Then if it is, like how did it get in there?
Because either way, like this is just a this is
just an unusual case because I'm sure there's not even
strict laws written about this because he didn't If it's
possible that he ejaculated into a cup and they inseminated
(39:49):
her in that way, it's still like, in my mind,
that's still sexual assault. And even if like let's say
the girl was willing to do this and admitted she
was willing to do this, it has to still be
considered some form of like statutory rape or like child abuse.
I don't under I don't know how they would define
this necessarily, but it's not okay, she's fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
She even if she even if her mother convinced her
that this was a good idea, and she said she
decided on her own to do it, Like she's fourteen,
she doesn't get to make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like there is no adult
intervention in this whatsoever. They allowed it, And yeah, I
do think it's this crazy story the mom's making up.
But if it does turn out that they did some
type of like at home in semination with the boyfriend,
that is disgusting. It really is.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's so sick, and you know, not to mention the
fact that a fourteen year old getting pregnant is actually
it's it's not even as safe as an adult getting pregnant,
Like it could be dangerous. There could be all these
sorts of complications with it. Pregnancy in itself is not
like a benign condition that you're just like, oh yeah,
just cool, just do this. It puts a lot of
(40:59):
strength on your body. It can make your immune system
like less or compromised because you have your immuno suppression.
When you're pregnant, you have an increased blood flow, so
you're at an increase of any kind of like a
bleeding disorder or something like that, and it's just it's
just not it's not good that that she's been put
(41:20):
into this situation. And on top of that, when you
have a pregnancy with twins, you're at an even higher risk.
So they really put her life in danger doing this,
both physically and mentally.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And you're speaking about this as a teen mom yourself,
so like, well you understand what took on your eye?
I do.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I just I just think that this is like it's
just a messed up situation to put the kid in
and no matter what happened. I mean, I am really curious,
how like I would love to see the trial on
this and see how how they do it, because do
they have laws of impregnating a child underage that wasn't
through sexual penetration?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Like it's a weird case. Well yeah, they said no
charges have been filed yet, but I'm wondering if that's
because they're really like what do we charge?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, they have to wait for the DNA because like
what if it's her teenage boyfriend, then like it's a
different story, like it's a nothing murger Like.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh yeah, definitely, I don't know. The whole thing makes
me massively uncomfortable. And I don't like this, and it
just it always brings up the question just how do
people live and think this is okay?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I have another question, who has the smallest micro penis
in the world. Well, this man in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
He's claiming he has the world's smallest penis at point
three eight inches, and he's challenging the world to see
if anybody else is smaller than him.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
So in the picture, he's holding up his pinky and
saying his penis is the size of his pinky fingernaw.
And that's and it gets smaller when it's flaccid, So
that's like when it's a wreck.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
That's how big it is. We talked about this guy
on YouTube Live before, and at first I was like
just so baffled, like why would you publicly come forward
with this information, knowing the way the internet is and
how people are going to make fun of you. But
I do think he's trying to bring some awareness to
having a micro penis, and I guess, like I could
see it from that perspective that he's trying to take
(43:15):
away the stigma of it because it really does affect
his life.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, and they they say that zero point six percent
of the population has it, So it's not I mean,
it's rare, but it's not that no one has it.
So and if you're a man growing up with a
condition like that, I guess it. I think that it
is good to bring awareness to it. Because he can't
have like penetrative sex. He's essentially like like almost like
(43:44):
female like he has to like can he has to
like I don't know what the proper word to say
is to have to have sexual pleasure. He can't penetrate.
It's like two vaginas rubbin together kind of like yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But he does I wonder if he I'm I don't
really know the dynamics of this anatomically, but I wonder
if like, well, he.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Has I'm sure he has testicles, and everything's normal, except
except it looks like more like he has like a
big clotsorus rather than an actual penis, Like that's what
it looks like. It's just it's just a really small, small,
small micro penis, like as it says, so he can't
get he can have orgasm and stuff, it's just not
(44:28):
in the typical way that a man does, Like you
have to just do other stuff to it.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, And there's nothing he could do about this, right, Well, this,
so this was what I thought was interesting about this.
So this guy is thirty eight years old and said
he's recently been diagnosed with it. Why at thirty eight
years old, Like if this got diagnosed, which it should
have gotten diagnosed when he was a kid, if he
was given testosterone hormone, because that's what it is. It's
(44:55):
a problem during development, that's some kind of a hormonal
problem that it doesn't develop.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It could definitely, I don't know that it would ever
get normal, but it would definitely get a lot bigger
and maybe even functional with testosterone introduced. But like if
you don't get diagnosed till you're thirty eight and you're
already don puberty, like it's over. Like there's nothing they
can do about it now. I mean, I mean they
could do surgery like they do, like trans surgery or
(45:20):
something like that, but it's not gonna be you know,
like an actual native penis and working that way like
you would think, you know. So, I mean, I don't
know why it took so long. I could see that
he would probably be embarrassed or something as an adult,
but I don't know why there was no one as
a child that got that looked at.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how this
challenge is gonna pan out and if anyone's gonna come forward.
So it so, a micro penis is considered anything less
than two point sixty seven inches, and his is like
not even half an inch, So I mean his is
significantly on the smaller end. And I think it was
(46:03):
kind of funny actually that he was saying that he
was looking for Guinness Book of World Records to see,
like if there was a record of who had the
smallest one, but he said they don't do genitals like that,
but he and he also said that there's been you know,
contest and suffer who has the biggest one? So he's like, well,
I want to do who has the smallest one? So
(46:25):
don't you just feel like this is such a sensitive
topic for men, like if there is a person out
there with one smaller that they're actually going to come
forward publicly and admit that, Yeah, I don't think so maybe.
All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have
a question or a story for us, please submit it
to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. Our first one is
from Jenna I wanted to comment on the booger wall.
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As a mom of a six year old boy, I
do not understand how their wall got so big without notice.
But a few months ago my son yelled to me
after bedtime. This isn't unusual, as he has many stall
tactics for bedtime. It's not just my kids. But I
went in and he handed me a booger. I said, ow, dude,
I don't want that, to which he commented, well, my
(47:08):
cracks are all full. Come to find out, he was
putting his boogers in the cracks of his barnboard wall
for god knows how long. He has a bunk bed
and sleeps on the top, so I couldn't really see
them well, but sure enough when I got up there
and look, the cracks were caked full of gross old
but oh my god. I had to use a butter
(47:28):
knife to get them out and lectured him on how
gross that is. I now took frequently to see if
he's still doing it. He is, but not. It's offt
This makes me really excited. What I sudden?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
It's not just the sun, and trust me, I see them.
I don't have a wall, but sometimes I'll just like
it'll be on the pillowcase and I'm like, what is that?
And it's always like a bloody one, like a gross
huge and I'm just like, dude, like there's nothing else.
I put tissues next to her bat and I'm like,
could you just like grab one of these next time
(48:06):
and leave? If you don't want to clean it up,
that's fine, but just don't ruin your pillowcase. Like it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Something about boogers, Like I could see someone's hand cut
off and I'd pass out, but I could handle it.
When I see or hear about boogers, I want to
puke everywhere. It's like the only thing that makes me
feel like this. Well, I feel the same way. When
I used to work in microbiology, we used to get
speuwed them collection, which is like it's not just stuff
(48:36):
like you ever have the flu like recently, like anything
like that when you cough, like a deep cough and
that stuff comes up in your mouth. Yeah, it's that.
Oh no, I couldn't deal it fluids and things I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And it wasn't like it wasn't like you know, if
you're walking up the street and you see someone spit
on the sidewalk and it's just like a foamy pile
of like white and foamy. No, this was like like deep,
like like lung cough, thick, viscous like and when people
have like weird infections too, it's just gross like tinged
(49:10):
with blood smells whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And we used to have to get a sterile swab
and put it on a petri dish, right, so we
had to like like play with it with the swab.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
No, and I it just like grossed me out so much,
and I'm just like I would do poop and you're in.
It was like no other fluid grossed me out. But
the sputum was just like seriously so nasty, like sometimes
they had like chunks ough. I still think about it.
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Dude. It's like Ricky I call them dinosaur buggers, Like
he just has the biggest boogies I've ever seen in
my life, and like they just make me want to
drop dead. I see them any anything else, I don't
want to see it. He just showed me a massive
one he pulled out the other day and it was like, oh, good,
th up.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
All well men have, Like like sometimes I look at
Gabe's nostrils, and I'm like, his nostril is like ten
times wider than my.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
No, I'm like, why is it so big? Like what's
happening up there? I was like, are you not sick?
And he's like, they just look like this all the time,
and they have since I was a little kid. So
I hope this is not like something getting passed out
because I really can't handle you. All right? What next?
There's another? Is there another question? I seriously want to
(50:28):
be like, I know I'm gonna puke everywhere. You know.
Next is from Sabrina. How often do you meet someone
who thinks human blood is blue and not red? I
have met several people, maybe five so far. These people
are forty plus years in age. They believe that blood
is blue. My brother in law is one of them.
He's a geologist, and his belief was that it is
(50:48):
blue and the body and turns red once it's oxidized.
Where are people getting this from? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I've heard that a lot too. I mean, technically, your
blood does change color depending on if it's in the
venus part of the body or the arterial part of
the body. So when it has so when it's in
an artery. That means that it has oxygen and it's
bringing oxygen to all of your body parts, so it's
(51:14):
that's what you think of, like very bright red. And
then when it goes through the venous system, so it's
like after the blood gets or the oxygen gets delivered
to all the organs and it's going back to the
heart and lungs to grab more oxygen, it turns a
darker color because it doesn't have oxygen binded to the
hemoglobin anymore. So sometimes, like I could see why people
(51:39):
think that, because if you have a condition called cyanosis
or something which can present in lots of different ways,
you could see it on your fingertips, or you could
see it on the lips, or you could see it
in the head in some cases, like where the skin
looks blue when a person's having like a lack of oxygen,
Like maybe that's where it comes from, because their skin
(51:59):
does look blue because there's a lack of oxygen in
the blood. That's the only thing that I could think
where it happened. But the only reason that people really
think that is because they might have looked at anatomy
charts and saw that there's red blood vessels and blue
blood vessels, and they just think that the blood and
(52:19):
the blue ones is blue, and the blood and the
red ones is red.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I guess, like I don't know where the cross is.
But interesting, there's trusted me.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Like I've been inside of every aspect of a body,
and like even before it's exposed to oxygen, you know,
if you just make a tiny little hole, the blood
starts pouring out. Sometimes if someone had a bleed or something.
It's always red. It's different shades of red, but it's
always red. It's never blue.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
All right. Last question, is there a certain family tradition
you're excited to share with your son? I mean, yeah,
I'm really excited for Christmas time this year. I mean
even though he's only going to be like six months
old and not understand anything, like it'll be he's not
gonna understand anything for like three years. No totally, but
like I'm excited to bring him to like Phillies games,
(53:11):
what we which is what we do every summer. I'm
excited to take him to do all the Christmas stuff obviously,
Like my favorite family tradition we do is we see
the Nutcracker every year. I think we're gonna keep that
a girl's only event. Probably, It's like, I don't think
he's gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
You know, you know that Gabe secretly wants to go
and he he I'm just like, you can't go. Sorry,
I think he he would like it, though.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I I think Gabe would like it too, but I'm like,
I don't want to make him sit through a two
hour ballet, and I don't want my two hour ballet
ruined for me, So like he could spend the day
with his dad and Biscatti on that day that we're
at the Nutcracker, but otherwise, yeah, like I mean, I
feel like I'm just excited for him to just do
the stuff we've always been doing. And obviously it's gonna
(53:55):
be different because we've only ever had girls, but it'll
be fun to create new traditions as well. Do you
when do you think we have to start buying him
a Phillies ticket? That's what I want to know. I
think when I think you're supposed to when they're two light,
well you could push that to like four, but yeah, exactly,
like many of my friends have waited till their kids
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were like three, at least three or four. Yeah, maybe
honest five, depending how small.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
That would Yeah, I would just do it until it's
not like you're going to have a super huge kid,
so like, let's just try to push it as long
as possible. Yeah, I think we have some time and
we could probably we could probably push it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
How are they gonna know? It's not like babies of
little drivers license exactly. But game changer is I think
you're allowed to bring a full stroller and diaper bag
in there, so like we can carry anything. Now, Oh
that is good, Maybe a cooler full of fizzies. This time,
we'll get back to a cooler full of contraband fizzies.
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All the hot in the world for the hot dog?
Who are I sank ga? No listen?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I bought him a hot dog steam machine for Christmas,
and I'm going to make like ten hot dogs and
just bring them in tinfoil. I'm gonna get like a
like a a pouch that will keep them insulated and warm.
The hot dogs that the game suck, They ruined it.
They put them in first. They put them into plastic
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boxes so it doesn't get wrapped up with the foil
that like helps to keep the roll soggy. And the
and like you know, it like steams itself in there
and then.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Possible to carry. And I don't want my shit in
like that much plastic like that. They're impossible to carry,
and it's making a shit ton of trash. Like I
don't really understand why they did that. I don't understand
it either. I sank Gabe that I was gonna buy
him this little onesie that had hot dogs. He thought
it was pretty cute. And now he's made best friends
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with the vehicular homicide
death of Johnny Goudreau and his brother. The defense team
of Sean Higgins, the man who hit them with his
car is now saying that he was not legally drunk,
so we'll get into that. Then we're going to talk
about defamation on social media and how it pertains to
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influencers and how one case is trying to send a
message to the world that it is not okay. And
over the past couple weeks, there have been events and
award shows that are now making us questioned if the
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have a disturbing true crime case where a mother is
being investigated for potentially using her teen daughter as a surrogate.
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And we'll finish up with the micro penis challenge. All
that and more. Get into your comments, questions, emails on
today's episode. Johnny Grudeau Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I can't say it's a difficult last name if you're
not used to it, but god, I just I feel
so bad for this family. So the guy who's been
accused of drunk driving and killing Johnny Gudroau and his
brother Matthew, he's now trying to prove he was under
the legal limit when the accident happened, and he wants
the whole case thrown out.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So this is going to actually end up being a
really interesting case that might change some laws and stuff.
Because if you remember back in what, oh it looks
like it was back in February, was it.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
This year or last year? It had to be last year.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It had to be last year, right, So in February
we talked about the actual limits because new information came
out about the brothers as well. So the driver was
zero point zero eight seven blood alcohol level, which is
like a smidge over the legal limit because the legal
limit is zero point zero eight So it was like
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one one hundredth or seven one hundredths above what it
normally should be would be considered legal. Right, It's still above,
but still above, but like a hair above.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Then new information came out after the autopsies were done
on the brothers that they were actually more drunk than
the driver was. They were drunk bike riding, so Johnny's
was point one two nine and the brothers was point
one three four, which is significantly higher than what the
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drivers was. The brothers was was really almost double of
what the brothers or what the drivers was. So but
in the state of New Jersey, so this is going
to be like a law thing versus what actually should be.
But as of right now, in the state of New Jersey,
it's not considered illegal to ride a bike under the
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influence of alcohol. It's just considered disorderly conduct. It's not
the same as driving a car legally drunk. So that
was their first argument that they tried to bring up
last year, and now this year they're saying that, you know,
they're getting experts, toxicology experts and stuff like that. And
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they tested apparently just his plasma, which was zero point
zero eight, which is at the legal limit. But then
they said they tested his whole blood, and when they
tested his whole blood, it was zero point zero seven
to five, which would put him under the legal limit.
(03:55):
So like, legally, if he was not considered to be
driving while intiexicated, even though if he said he was, like,
what this blood test, if this blood test can stand
up in court I don't really, I don't know if
it can because it is only what five it's all
sincerely under. Yeah, it's it's it barely is, but it's under.
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It doesn't matter like legally speaking, it's under.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But all right, like there is a question I have
for you. So like for example, like some people are
able to have a couple of drinks and feel fine
enough to drive, right, but they might test over the limit.
If I have one glass of wine, I don't feel
comfortable to dry. But that's not what's no I know,
but I'm saying if they took my blood, though, would
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I be under the legal limit? No, I know my head,
I'm not comfortable to draw. That's that's not what the
law states.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Though it doesn't matter like the law has Like if
it let's say, for example, no one got killed with
the car. If he if he got pulled over with
that blood alcohol level, if it was zero point zero
seven five, he would not get a ticket, He would
not get a DUI. He wouldn't it's lee you're because
you're allowed to have a couple of drinks and drive.
(05:12):
You just are so like they're just trying to find
a loophole to get his number lowered by a hare
in order for him to be because that would be
a huge charge that fell off because right now he's
charged with first degree aggravated manslaughter, reckless vehicular homicide, leaving
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the scene of a fatal accident, and tampering with physical evidence,
So he could face up to seventy years behind bars
if he's convicted on all counts.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But I'm not even.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure that they would be able to charge him with
first degree aggravated manslaughter if he wasn't legally drunk.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So not saying he.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Couldn't because he did leave the scene of the accident
and he did do all this other stuff, but like
the guest charges are resting on that he was drunk
while he was driving, and if they take that blood
testing to consideration, it's going to be a huge change
for this case.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
No, totally, And I really understand pointing out that the
brothers were also drunk, but like he still was also
maybe drunk or intoxicate on some level and still hit
them resulting in their death. So, like what happened the
day of was there saying another car slowed down because
they saw them on the bikes, and then this guy
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decided to pass that car and then hit them in
the process and then drove down. He left the scene completely,
so he said he pulled over a quarter mile down
the road and that's where cops found him, and he
admitted to the officers that he had five or six drinks.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, but I mean that that doesn't matter though what
he said, no, because he could have had and it
was it was in the morning, correct.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No, it was it was the night before. I feel
like it was like late afternoon or early evening, the
night before their sister's wedding. I think it happened right
before Labor Day weekend maybe or the weekend before. It
was right around like late August early September of twenty
twenty four. Yeah, I mean, like, listen, it just could
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be a difference between guy was driving like a jerk
versus guy was drunk driving but he still killed them,
is what I'm getting at. So, like I understand they
could get the bigger charges thrown out if they could
prove he was actually under the legal limit, but like
he still was driving recklessly that resulted in their deaths.
So like he can't have the entire case thrown out.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
They just need to come up with the new st
People kill have vehicular homicide all the time and they're
not under the influence, and they don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Go to jail for it. It just not even manslaughter
or something. It depends on the situation. Everything is.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It depends on the situation. Like there was a way
who said he saw them? Did the witness say that
they were swerving into the road or this or that?
Like there's so much to go on, but like we
know that they were drunk riding a bicycle, so and
maybe that needs to be taken into consideration because if
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you can't drink and drive at that level, you can't
really ride a bike straight at that level either. But
since the guy did illegally pass, he definitely will probably
I assume that he would be getting charged with that
because he did break laws. He illegally passed and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's what I'm saying. It's not like you or I
just innocently driving down the road going to target, but
on this bicyclist just comes out in front of you
and they die, right, Like this guy was driving like
a dickhead, regardless of whether he was drunk or not.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So like like driving on Roote one thirty and like
anybody that lives near me knows that this happens. There
is a nursing home on Route one thirty, which is
it's not a highway. It's a six lane.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Like what would you call that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
It's not really a highway, but it's it's fast and
people are driving anywhere up to seventy miles an hour.
It's a bad road, and there's there's accidents on it
all the time because I guess at times and at
certain points people drive as fast as it's a highway.
But it has turns, not like exits. It has like
turns like turn in the parking lot of McDonald's, like
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off of the side of this road, so you have
people coming to a complete stop. So anyway, there's a
nursing home on Route one thirty that, like, I don't
know if it's nursing or assisted living whatever. Lets the
patients out on in their jazzy chairs, no sidewalk, no sidewalk,
and they're in the middle of the road going from
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like one store, you know, parking lot to another. And
there's been multiple times that I'm just like, why did
I just have a near miss with somebody in a
jazzy chair that's that's like old It's just that's the
weirdest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Ever. This is the big difference I'm talking about. It's
not like you're innocently driving down the street and someone
on a jazzy just all of a sudden wings it
out of this driveway and you don't see them. Right, Like,
this guy still did something wrong, whether he was drunk
or not, that resulted in him hitting them and them dying.
So like he can't just get off scot free. He
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needs to have some type of responsibility in this for
still driving like an asshole.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, and I don't even know that that the that
this blood test will hold up in court, but yeah,
like they might.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I don't know, they're gonna have to.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
They're gonna have to have, you know, some kind of
toxicologists state that why this is different than this, and
you can that's definitely the case when you have when
you're testing someone for substances that it presents differently in
different if you do vitreous fluid or blood or tissues, like,
you could get different levels. So in these particular cases
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they might say no, Like the blood alcohol level for
the state of New Jersey is based on plasma rates
and then the guy's beat, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I mean where it stands now is the prosecution basically
has to agree that the test was wrong or incorrect,
and then he, I think, will then be eligible to
face a new grand jury to determine a new set
of charges basically which are going to be significantly less.
I'm telling you, which what like, listen, if that's the case,
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it is what it is like obviously as like a
huge hockey family in my household. This is devastating, But
like I can sit back and analyze the whole situation
and be like, if that's the case and he really
was legally under the limit, I like understand where the
charges are coming from. But I think this guy has
had this cockiness this whole time. I mean, remember when
this first happened and they told me to stay in
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jail the whole weekend, and he rolled his eyes on
camera like you just killed two fucking people, Like what
are you talking about? Like sorry that you're inconvenienced. It's
just insane to me. And then like the timing of
I just feel so horrible for this family because it's
like they already went through this great tragedy. They lost
both these brothers it was the night before their sister's wedding.
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Like how horrible of a scenario it could be. And
then his number one dream in life was to be
an Olympic hockey player. So when the team USA just
won the gold medal, they like held up his jersey,
they brought his kids out, they flew the whole family
out to watch the game. And then like two days later,
this evidence drop or this new bomb drops, and it's like,
(12:30):
can you give this lady a freaking break please? I
feel so bad for their wives.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I mean that's what happens in general when any tragic
death happens, that people have to keep I mean think about, well,
the next case, we're gonna talk about the Idaho murders,
and it's just like think about all the shit. Like
every week, it's like something comes out and just like
rehashes it for them, and it's it's unfortunate, but that's
that's the way it is. I mean, I was thinking
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about this about Nancy Guthrie as of right now. I
mean we're not even going to talk about that case
because like nothing has really happened.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But like let's say that was just a random robbery, right,
Like how unlucky are you to be breaking the law
or being some kind of criminal and so happened to
hit someone that's like of such, like that's so well known.
It's the same with this guy, Like if he just
hit a random person riding their bike in that town,
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like it wouldn't even barely be on the news. It's like, like,
what terrible luck do you have that you still happen
to do this? And it's like super famous people in
that particular circumstance that you just explained. I mean yeah,
because it's like take away this whole Olympic thing. Like
he just signed like some record breaking contract right before
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he died too. He's considered one of the best players
right now. And like, let me tell you of like
in the middle of a bar in New York City
and they pull the kids out in the jersey to
like cry. I'm like, this is so horrible. Did you
also just see you speaking at drunk drivers that justin
Timberlake is like just filed something trying to have the
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police not released the bodycam footage.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I did see that, and I was like so excited
about it because it has to be really bad if
he doesn't want it released.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And and like that will make it really good for us.
Oh yeah, on TV he's like worried about it ruining
his reputation, like don't drunk drive. I don't know what
to tell you, Like, I don't know, I probably did
that whole like do you know who I am? Thing?
You know? No, didn't he do something like that? They
were like he didn't. He mumble something like this is
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gonna mess up the tour and the cop was like,
what tour? And he was like the world tour? What?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, let's get into this. This TikToker that falsely
accused a professor. So this is this is like same
with the Nancy Guthrie thing. It's this is setting a
precedent that you can't just make up shit to get
clicks because you could get in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Now, I think this is a pretty groundbreaking case. So
a couple of weeks after the Idaho murderers, before we
even knew about coburger or anything. Which side note, like
I think people keep comparing this to the Nancy Guthrie thing,
and it's like, I don't think. I don't think it's
going in that direction where they've known the whole time.
It doesn't really look good, right, but remember we had
those couple of weeks where we really didn't know if
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police knew anything, but they were kind of on him
the whole time. So whatever. So in this timeframe before
we knew about Coburger, theories were going crazy online about
who killed the students. And this one theory that was
put out by this TikToker was that a University of
Idaho professor named Rebecca Schofield was responsible for their deaths.
And fast forward to now that we know that this
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is not true and it was Coburger in fact that
killed the kids, this lady has sued the TikToker for defamation.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So this TikToker believes that she has psychic abilities and
testified that she read tarot cards that led her to
this professor to help her solve the homicides, posted photos
of her, her contact information, and claims that she had
an affair with one of the female victims and had
(16:21):
ordered the death of these students. Like, listen, this lady's
out of her mind anyway for just saying that shit
out loud, and she actually if she actually believed it,
Like maybe she needs to get looked at for having
some kind of psychological disorder where she can't separate reality
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from whatever fiction's going on in her head.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And she was so confident in this defense that she
represented herself. So she's like a total whack job. We
know this, but like just to think of her being
on the stand truly being like, well, I could read
tarot cards and this is where it led me. So
so that's my defense, Like are you joking?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I don't know, but like, so she's a TikToker, So
I guess there's a possibility if she was getting a
lot of views during this time, that she made a
shit ton of money, right, so.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She what did they award her? Like millions of dollars? Oh,
this is the best part. So like they only won.
They only the woman, the professor only requested. I think
she originally requested one point eight million dollar payout and
then she revised it to a million dollar payout, and
they left punitive damages up to the jury and the
jury was like, Okay, this lady's gonna pay you ten
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million dollars. Think about the bad impression this woman made
on the jury for them to literally make the amount
ten times more than requested, So.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm assuming, like, cause I don't this isn't like I mean,
I don't know. I don't go on TikTok, so I
don't know, but like, is she is she making that
kind of money that she really could ever pay that back?
Or this is going to be like the rest of
her life whenever she gets money, like she has to
give it.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
To this woman. That seems like what it's going to be. Yeah,
I mean, I really don't know this woman's financial state,
but like think about if she has a ten million
dollar judgment against her, like any time she goes to
buy real estate or major purchases or whatever, like the
money is going to have to go directly to the professor.
But like, I think this is kind of awesome because
people are going online saying whatever they want, no founded evidence,
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and they don't get in trouble for it, and in
some cases it ruins people's lives. Like this lady was
describing that she had terrible anxiety, she developed PTSD and
made it really hard for her to go to her job,
and she lost money as a result of that, and
it's all because of these totally unfounded claims. Well can
you imagine that though like that, especially before they found
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Brian Coburger, Like, you're you're going to school. I mean
she taught near there, right, University of Idaho. She at
the same school the students were going to. Yes, so
of course you know it's and listen, I'm gonna say
the same thing about about Tomato Tomato Tomaso from the
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Nancy Guthrie case, Like they he was out there with
Savannah Guthrie. The three of them were arm in arm
yesterday out front of the mom's house for the first time,
looking at the flowers that were laid out and everything,
and which in my opinion makes me think that Savannah
doesn't think he's involved at all, and neither does the sister,
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because they were locked arm in arm like out front
of the house, like in solidarity, looking at the shrines
that were put up for the mom. And that guy
is forever he's forever tarnished now, Like all of the
comments underneath are like he looks like the guy in
the video. He's the same height, this, this and.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
This, and I'm like, I'm pretty not that I have
the best confidence in this investigation, but like I'm pretty
sure they ruled him out. They returned the car to
the family the other day. So like, now, what, like
that guy's always going to be looked at. What if
this case never gets solved, Like everybody for the rest
of that guy's life is going to say that he
was involved, and like what if he really wasn't?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
No, for sure. I think the difference is with like
somebody like Ashley Banfield that released that information, is like,
she has this source and obviously she'd have to give
up her source if anything legal happened to back her
up and say where she got that, Like we don't
know that source might work in that police department, Like
we just don't know who it is that gave her
that information. But like in this case, this woman is
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saying a tarot card led her to this person and
she made it up based on that. I mean, come on,
it's it's more.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's actually more alarming that people were like watching these
videos and following along with it and even making this
woman's life hell.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I mean, like what was the basis And like not
that this makes it right either, but it's not like
she made one video about this that went viral, Like
she made a whole series of videos about this woman
starting in November of twenty two November of twenty twenty two,
when this crime occurred, and then continuing until August of
twenty twenty five, despite getting a series of cease and desists.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, she's a moron. Well remember when that whole thing
was going down with Princess Kate and she was missing
for a month, and those those two girls were making
videos every single day, like basically saying that her and
William were getting divorced and he was cheating on her
and all this stuff. And then she came out and
was like, oh I have cancer. Yes, I mean, but
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so like in those cases, I guess it's just how
it's worded, because I feel like there's so many cases
like that where people aren't getting in trouble for saying
shit that's not true, or maybe they just think that
they're small potatoes and they don't want to do anything
about it. But I know those girls were getting like
millions of views over the course of those couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh yeah, I mean their page like seriously blew up.
But then when it came out, they deleted all of
the videos to try to scrub it. But as we know,
it's like you already got paid out for it, right,
So it's like if the firm wanted to go after them,
we know they could still pull up all the videos
in the back end. I mean, I don't think people
understand that things they put on the internet are literally
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forever or like people won't have a problem outing you,
Like this is my personal beef with like those celebrity
blind item pages because you can write them an email
and say literally whatever you want. You can call any
celebrity you want a pedophile or say they did horrific
things and they just post it and like they don't
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care what happens to these people. Yeah, it's not cool.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Really, it really isn't like if a rumor is made
about someone that's like really not true, it's just not
because you know, that doesn't that doesn't go away ever,
because there's always gonna be a small population of people
that think that it really is true.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Well exactly, And that's the problem with this because it's
like I've been saying this, like as as a nosy person,
we established before like I'm nosy, I like gossip and everything,
But after following like this one page in particular on
Instagram for a full year, I was like, this is
like going beyond like juicy celebrity news, and it's like
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kind of fucked up, Like you're saying, like a married
guy with kids is like having sex with like hookers
in a hotel room, and nobody knows if that's founded
evidence or not, and they're just putting it out there
as if it's fact. And that's what I don't like
about it. And then of course if it is true,
it's very juicy it is, and that's a problem because
sometimes the things they post do end up coming true
(23:53):
and then the girls like see I you heard it
here first, blah blah blah, Like no, this is this
is a problem and you're probably ruining people's lives to
some degree. I don't know. I don't like it. Okay,
So what about I mean, we didn't really talk about this.
Have we talked about Kelly Osbourne yet? We did on
(24:13):
our YouTube live. We've talked about Kelly Osbourne a couple
times on our YouTube live because I mean, she's had
this absolutely drastic appearance change since her dad died. Of course,
at first people were attributing it to being on weight
lost drugs. She's saying it's due to her immense grief,
her appearance at the brit Awards over the weekend is
(24:34):
seriously concerning to look at. I mean, people are like
going after her, telling her she looks like a dead
body and everything, and like I'm looking at her as
like she she needs help.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, and I that's what I thought. You know what
it actually coincides with. So I you know, I'm writing
a celebrity death book and I was writing about Karen
Carpenter this week, right, And for those of you who
don't know who she is or you're too young. In
nineteen eighty three, Karen Carpenter was a singer and she
had a little band with her brother, not a little,
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a big, huge, I don't know you call it a
band or a group. It just was her and her brother,
and I guess they had people playing other instruments too,
if that was a band. I mean, you know her songs,
the Christmas song, the Merry Christmas Darling is like a
big one. But what's the one from Shrek Top I'm
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on the top of the world, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I'm on the top of the.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Okay, So, like most people know who she is if
you heard, if you heard one of her songs, and
it kind of like it kind of unfolded in front
of everyone's eyes. But nobody talked about eating disorders back
in the late seventies and early eighties, so it was
like people definitely were like, something's up with her, that
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something sick, because you get this like skeleton looking appearance.
And in interviews, she said that she started off at
so she's five foot five and said she was one
hundred and forty five pounds, and she always considered herself
to be like a chunky teenager, which I'm pretty sure
anybody listening right now is like, that's just a normal
that's considered a normal weight.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
One hundred and forty five, five foot five. Yeah, that's
I mean, that's what I consider like real scary for me. Yeah,
that's what I weighed on my wag day exactly. You're like,
that's like my ideal weight. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So so one hundred and forty five pounds, and then so
that's what she said, she was chunky, and but like
if you do her BMI, she's within normal limits. So
like there's she wasn't considered overweight or obese at that
at that particular weight, but then over the course of
the next couple of years, it's like she went on
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some extreme diet and went down the one hundred and
twenty pounds and then next time you saw her she
was ninety pounds and then at her lowest she was
seventy eight pounds. So like people saw it on TV
because she performed live and on TV all the time,
and but like nobody nobody knew what was happening. And
then all of a sudden, like she she dies. She
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she was super young, right, so they you know, going
in her history and looking at it and finally trying
to bring awareness to it and stuff. It's just like, oh,
like she went on these extreme diets and then she
didn't lose enough weight, so then she started abusing laxatives.
They were saying she was taking up the ninety pills
a day sometimes. She started taking certain medications to make
her throw up, which is actually what caused her because
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it's toxic to the cardiac muscle.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That's what caused her death.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
But just like the extreme malnutrition, the wasting away, like
it wastes away your your muscles, and it wastes away
eventually you'll start wasting away your heart muscle as well.
So like I'm writing this up and then I'm looking
at Kelly Osborne the same way, Like before her dad died,
she probably was taking the shot. Like I don't want
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to say that she was because I don't know, but
she probably was because she she's always struggled with being
what she would consider to be a little chunky, even
though most people are like, that's just what she looks like.
But we know that her mom takes it. Her mom
is admitted to taking it and having a problem with
actually losing too much weight and not being able to
put it back on. That's what her mother said years ago.
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So now she possibly could have been taking it for this,
but then all the stuff started going down with her
dad and he started getting sick and then he died,
like it was like a boom boom boom. And now
that we've seen her post his death, you're like, Okay,
this is like all these comments of people saying she
looks old and she's taking ozempic, Like it's far beyond
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her taking ozempic at this point, Like she's she's having
like full on kikectic look malnutrition anorexia, like and like
any medical profession looking at her is just like, oh
my god, this is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So scary for her.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, not making fun of her, just concerned, Like I'm
scared she's gonna end up being like Karen Carpenter. Like
I don't know how tall Kylie Osborne is, but she
looks like she weighs under one hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Now she's so frail. She yeah, look it up right now,
that's the thing. That's the thing. Like she's she's slamming
people criticizing her appearance. And I understand that like in
any world we could live. In any world we live,
and we can be like people should not be going
on other people's instagrams and leaving comments that say, you
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look like a dead body, Like it's just it's unnecessary, right,
But like we've surpassed a point of her just looking
thin and people calling her out, Like we also can't
just stand by and watch somebody deteriorate before our eyes
and not say anything. I think I said this on
YouTube on Friday, like cause we were talking about something similar,
like people were criticizing Emma Stone or something for her appearance,
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and I'm like, I think she just is that thin,
and she's always been that thin. I didn't think she
looked that concerning, but like with Catherine O'Hara, for example,
people on social media were like, I didn't even realize
she was sick. I just thought she was on nozembic, which, like,
think about that statement, right, All these people are taking
these drugs and looking sickly that when there is a
person that actually has cancer and is sick, it's not
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standing out to somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, and I one of the things that is bothering
me about the Kelly Osbourne thing is is kind of
the opposite when I when she just posted the most
recent pictures number one, like I personally feel that she
should have people in her life, stylist and stuff that
wouldn't put her. She was wearing like a like a
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tank top type of dress that really showed, you know,
her bones and her upper chest and her collar bones.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It just makes.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It and her back and you could see her ribs
through her skin and everything. Like, maybe try to cover
her up a little so it's not so obvious with
a longer sleeve dress or something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, I don't think she thinks she has a problem,
So maybe she does have people All times.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
She does because she's she's fighting back and saying like
clearly like I'm going through something and I don't think
it's right to go like she knows, she knows something's up.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, this is another point I want to make too, Like,
at the end of the day, whether it's right or not,
you're a public figure and you're putting yourself out there
by posting pictures of you looking like this and going
to award shows accentuating these new new features on your body.
Of course people are gonna say something. It's just the
world we live in. So like, I'm not saying whether
that's right or wrong. That's just the world we live in.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
But why, I guess what I'm concerned is why when
I go underneath her picture she posts, are there so
many people that are telling her that she looks great
and beautiful? Cause that's what's really That's what's really bothering me,
because from a strictly medical perspective, I'm just like, she's
sick and needs help, and nobody should be encouraging this
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at all. Like it's not about the way she looks,
it's about.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Well, there's trials and then there's enablers, right, So like
we live in this world where there's both, and like
I understand there's people that want to be nice and
people should be nicer her, but we should not be
encouraging this.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
And I think like you're right with like Emma Stone
has always been a thin person. Demimore too, but she
looked terrible to me, just like terribly terribly skinny.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Just too.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
It's like there was another model that was going viral,
one of the hidid people were on the going viral
in a video.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
This week too, and I'm just like, these people.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Like are really really really thin, Like it's why are
we so extreme?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Like it was just like everybody was supposed to be
obese a couple of years ago, and now it's like, oh,
let's go in the complete opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And now everybody is is like do you how often
do you really see like actors and stuff that are
just kind of like normal that might have a gut,
like might just like what you see in the general
population all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's just nuts you don't. And I guess that was
a lot of the argument, like in that America's Next
Top Model thing, for example, I know you watched it
over the weekend. We didn't talk about what you thought
about it, but I think they were trying to point
out like that's just a fashion industry and like to
some extent like it is. But we just live in
a very different world than we did even twenty years ago,
you know, the way we see body types.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, So I mean I hope I could just assume
that Calli Osborne. I mean, she's got money and resources.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I don't think she's not gonna go to.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
All these shows because they're all like it's a lot
of pressure because her dad's getting all of these awards
and honors and stuff, and like she has to go,
like it's she's like the face of.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
That brand and that family.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But I don't I just hope that they're trying to
get some kind of help for her. That's all like, yeah,
because I don't want to see what happened to Karen
Carpenter happen. I mean with Karen Carpenter, it was different
because it was the it was the early eighties, and
her her people were going to her parents and telling
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them to get help and they But back then it
was just like, oh, you only go to a psychiatrist
or a psychologist if you are crazy in quotes. Yeah,
and now it's like no, this is this is like
a legit medical disorder and mental disorder and you need
to get help for it. So and you could see
like the like the death of her dad is a
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huge deal. He's like her whole identity on top of
being like this loved person, And I mean you could
see why why it would be like eating a white hirr,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, And that's what I understand what she's saying, Like
she's she has immense grief and that's affecting her. And
I understand that one hundred percent. But I'm like, you
can't just let that consume your whole life. Like at
some point, if it's making you unhealthy, you have to
address it, you know what.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Actually, one of my friends that I used to work with,
this kind of happened to her, Like her dad got
diagnosed with cancer, just diagnosed. He's still alive, by the way,
and this was twenty years ago almost he got diagnosed,
and she like went down such a rabbit hole about
it that she started like losing a lot of weight
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and not eating and just coming into work like looking
like she hadn't taken a shower of brush her hair
for a couple of days, and like it really really
affected her and it was crazy to sit back and
watch it and just be like, Yo, he's gonna be
all right, dude, just like RelA, you know, just like
sometimes people just you can't talk to them and just
make them feel better about it. They're like convinced. I mean,
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in her case, the dad did die, but sometimes it
just triggers stuff that maybe she wasn't really ready to handle.
I feel like he was saying, they were saying that
he had this diagnosis of Parkinson's and stuff before he died,
but maybe they weren't quite ready for it. How it
went down so fast, and that's what's putting her into this.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
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All right, So police got a call about a possible
sexual assault of a fourteen year old girl at an
apartment building. They get there and find this girl is
pregnant with twins, and now they're investigating whether the pregnancy
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was the result of a sexual assault or if the
mother was possibly using her as a surrogate. The mom
said to police that she desperately wanted to have siblings,
but she said that she would not allow her boyfriend
to have sex with the daughter, and the mom couldn't
carry any more kids, but really wanted kids with the boyfriend.
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So like, I mean, either way, this is this is
messed up.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Is she just trying to cover for the fact that
he raped her and and got her pregnant, and it's
just trying to say, like, oh, she really she just
wanted to carry the baby to get like a lesser
charge or something.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I don't know. Well, yeah, because they're so they're saying,
you're investigating if she was assaulted by the boyfriend or
if they used an alternative method such as her being
a surrogate, right, But like, how would they inseminate her themselves?
I guess I guess they have at home insemination kids.
So never mind, that is possible. But regardless, it's like
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it's a child, child's child abuse either still assault of
some nature.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yes, it one hundred percent. Is like so, now this
poor kid is fourteen years old and pregnant, so they're
her kids. She's pregnant with two babies now twins on
top of that, and now she just got taken away
from her her other sibling and her mother, So like cool,
she's in child protective services right now and pregnant with
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twins and do this month like she's due very soon,
Like cool, really cool to induce on your child like that.
So I don't know like how they would even really
prove and investigate this, Like obviously they're gonna do DNA
to see what if the if the baby's his, and.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Then if it is, like how did it get in there?
Because either way, like this is just a this is
just an unusual case because I'm sure there's not even
strict laws written about this because he didn't If it's
possible that he ejaculated into a cup and they inseminated
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her in that way, it's still like, in my mind,
that's still sexual assault. And even if like let's say
the girl was willing to do this and admitted she
was willing to do this, it has to still be
considered some form of like statutory rape or like child abuse.
I don't under I don't know how they would define
this necessarily, but it's not okay, she's fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
She even if she even if her mother convinced her
that this was a good idea, and she said she
decided on her own to do it, Like she's fourteen,
she doesn't get to make those decisions.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like there is no adult
intervention in this whatsoever. They allowed it, And yeah, I
do think it's this crazy story the mom's making up.
But if it does turn out that they did some
type of like at home in semination with the boyfriend,
that is disgusting. It really is.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
It's so sick, and you know, not to mention the
fact that a fourteen year old getting pregnant is actually
it's it's not even as safe as an adult getting pregnant,
Like it could be dangerous. There could be all these
sorts of complications with it. Pregnancy in itself is not
like a benign condition that you're just like, oh yeah,
just cool, just do this. It puts a lot of
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strength on your body. It can make your immune system
like less or compromised because you have your immuno suppression.
When you're pregnant, you have an increased blood flow, so
you're at an increase of any kind of like a
bleeding disorder or something like that, and it's just it's
just not it's not good that that she's been put
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into this situation. And on top of that, when you
have a pregnancy with twins, you're at an even higher risk.
So they really put her life in danger doing this,
both physically and mentally.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
And you're speaking about this as a teen mom yourself,
so like, well you understand what took on your eye?
I do.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I just I just think that this is like it's
just a messed up situation to put the kid in
and no matter what happened. I mean, I am really curious,
how like I would love to see the trial on
this and see how how they do it, because do
they have laws of impregnating a child underage that wasn't
through sexual penetration?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Like it's a weird case. Well yeah, they said no
charges have been filed yet, but I'm wondering if that's
because they're really like what do we charge?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, they have to wait for the DNA because like
what if it's her teenage boyfriend, then like it's a
different story, like it's a nothing murger Like.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh yeah, definitely, I don't know. The whole thing makes
me massively uncomfortable. And I don't like this, and it
just it always brings up the question just how do
people live and think this is okay?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
I have another question, who has the smallest micro penis
in the world. Well, this man in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
He's claiming he has the world's smallest penis at point
three eight inches, and he's challenging the world to see
if anybody else is smaller than him.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
So in the picture, he's holding up his pinky and
saying his penis is the size of his pinky fingernaw.
And that's and it gets smaller when it's flaccid, So
that's like when it's a wreck.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
That's how big it is. We talked about this guy
on YouTube Live before, and at first I was like
just so baffled, like why would you publicly come forward
with this information, knowing the way the internet is and
how people are going to make fun of you. But
I do think he's trying to bring some awareness to
having a micro penis, and I guess, like I could
see it from that perspective that he's trying to take
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away the stigma of it because it really does affect
his life.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, and they they say that zero point six percent
of the population has it, So it's not I mean,
it's rare, but it's not that no one has it.
So and if you're a man growing up with a
condition like that, I guess it. I think that it
is good to bring awareness to it. Because he can't
have like penetrative sex. He's essentially like like almost like
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female like he has to like can he has to
like I don't know what the proper word to say
is to have to have sexual pleasure. He can't penetrate.
It's like two vaginas rubbin together kind of like yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But he does I wonder if he I'm I don't
really know the dynamics of this anatomically, but I wonder
if like, well, he.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Has I'm sure he has testicles, and everything's normal, except
except it looks like more like he has like a
big clotsorus rather than an actual penis, Like that's what
it looks like. It's just it's just a really small, small,
small micro penis, like as it says, so he can't
get he can have orgasm and stuff, it's just not
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in the typical way that a man does, Like you
have to just do other stuff to it.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, And there's nothing he could do about this, right, Well, this,
so this was what I thought was interesting about this.
So this guy is thirty eight years old and said
he's recently been diagnosed with it. Why at thirty eight
years old, Like if this got diagnosed, which it should
have gotten diagnosed when he was a kid, if he
was given testosterone hormone, because that's what it is. It's
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a problem during development, that's some kind of a hormonal
problem that it doesn't develop.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It could definitely, I don't know that it would ever
get normal, but it would definitely get a lot bigger
and maybe even functional with testosterone introduced. But like if
you don't get diagnosed till you're thirty eight and you're
already don puberty, like it's over. Like there's nothing they
can do about it now. I mean, I mean they
could do surgery like they do, like trans surgery or
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something like that, but it's not gonna be you know,
like an actual native penis and working that way like
you would think, you know. So, I mean, I don't
know why it took so long. I could see that
he would probably be embarrassed or something as an adult,
but I don't know why there was no one as
a child that got that looked at.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how this
challenge is gonna pan out and if anyone's gonna come forward.
So it so, a micro penis is considered anything less
than two point sixty seven inches, and his is like
not even half an inch, So I mean his is
significantly on the smaller end. And I think it was
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kind of funny actually that he was saying that he
was looking for Guinness Book of World Records to see,
like if there was a record of who had the
smallest one, but he said they don't do genitals like that,
but he and he also said that there's been you know,
contest and suffer who has the biggest one? So he's like, well,
I want to do who has the smallest one? So
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don't you just feel like this is such a sensitive
topic for men, like if there is a person out
there with one smaller that they're actually going to come
forward publicly and admit that, Yeah, I don't think so maybe.
All right, onto your questions and emails. If you have
a question or a story for us, please submit it
to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. Our first one is
from Jenna I wanted to comment on the booger wall.
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As a mom of a six year old boy, I
do not understand how their wall got so big without notice.
But a few months ago my son yelled to me
after bedtime. This isn't unusual, as he has many stall
tactics for bedtime. It's not just my kids. But I
went in and he handed me a booger. I said, ow, dude,
I don't want that, to which he commented, well, my
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cracks are all full. Come to find out, he was
putting his boogers in the cracks of his barnboard wall
for god knows how long. He has a bunk bed
and sleeps on the top, so I couldn't really see
them well, but sure enough when I got up there
and look, the cracks were caked full of gross old
but oh my god. I had to use a butter
(47:28):
knife to get them out and lectured him on how
gross that is. I now took frequently to see if
he's still doing it. He is, but not. It's offt
This makes me really excited. What I sudden?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
It's not just the sun, and trust me, I see them.
I don't have a wall, but sometimes I'll just like
it'll be on the pillowcase and I'm like, what is that?
And it's always like a bloody one, like a gross
huge and I'm just like, dude, like there's nothing else.
I put tissues next to her bat and I'm like,
could you just like grab one of these next time
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and leave? If you don't want to clean it up,
that's fine, but just don't ruin your pillowcase. Like it's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Something about boogers, Like I could see someone's hand cut
off and I'd pass out, but I could handle it.
When I see or hear about boogers, I want to
puke everywhere. It's like the only thing that makes me
feel like this. Well, I feel the same way. When
I used to work in microbiology, we used to get
speuwed them collection, which is like it's not just stuff
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like you ever have the flu like recently, like anything
like that when you cough, like a deep cough and
that stuff comes up in your mouth. Yeah, it's that.
Oh no, I couldn't deal it fluids and things I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And it wasn't like it wasn't like you know, if
you're walking up the street and you see someone spit
on the sidewalk and it's just like a foamy pile
of like white and foamy. No, this was like like deep,
like like lung cough, thick, viscous like and when people
have like weird infections too, it's just gross like tinged
(49:10):
with blood smells whatever.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And we used to have to get a sterile swab
and put it on a petri dish, right, so we
had to like like play with it with the swab.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
No, and I it just like grossed me out so much,
and I'm just like I would do poop and you're in.
It was like no other fluid grossed me out. But
the sputum was just like seriously so nasty, like sometimes
they had like chunks ough. I still think about it.
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Dude. It's like Ricky I call them dinosaur buggers, Like
he just has the biggest boogies I've ever seen in
my life, and like they just make me want to
drop dead. I see them any anything else, I don't
want to see it. He just showed me a massive
one he pulled out the other day and it was like, oh, good,
th up.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
All well men have, Like like sometimes I look at
Gabe's nostrils, and I'm like, his nostril is like ten
times wider than my.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
No, I'm like, why is it so big? Like what's
happening up there? I was like, are you not sick?
And he's like, they just look like this all the time,
and they have since I was a little kid. So
I hope this is not like something getting passed out
because I really can't handle you. All right? What next?
There's another? Is there another question? I seriously want to
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be like, I know I'm gonna puke everywhere. You know.
Next is from Sabrina. How often do you meet someone
who thinks human blood is blue and not red? I
have met several people, maybe five so far. These people
are forty plus years in age. They believe that blood
is blue. My brother in law is one of them.
He's a geologist, and his belief was that it is
(50:48):
blue and the body and turns red once it's oxidized.
Where are people getting this from? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I've heard that a lot too. I mean, technically, your
blood does change color depending on if it's in the
venus part of the body or the arterial part of
the body. So when it has so when it's in
an artery. That means that it has oxygen and it's
bringing oxygen to all of your body parts, so it's
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that's what you think of, like very bright red. And
then when it goes through the venous system, so it's
like after the blood gets or the oxygen gets delivered
to all the organs and it's going back to the
heart and lungs to grab more oxygen, it turns a
darker color because it doesn't have oxygen binded to the
hemoglobin anymore. So sometimes, like I could see why people
(51:39):
think that, because if you have a condition called cyanosis
or something which can present in lots of different ways,
you could see it on your fingertips, or you could
see it on the lips, or you could see it
in the head in some cases, like where the skin
looks blue when a person's having like a lack of oxygen,
Like maybe that's where it comes from, because their skin
(51:59):
does look blue because there's a lack of oxygen in
the blood. That's the only thing that I could think
where it happened. But the only reason that people really
think that is because they might have looked at anatomy
charts and saw that there's red blood vessels and blue
blood vessels, and they just think that the blood and
(52:19):
the blue ones is blue, and the blood and the
red ones is red.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I guess, like I don't know where the cross is.
But interesting, there's trusted me.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Like I've been inside of every aspect of a body,
and like even before it's exposed to oxygen, you know,
if you just make a tiny little hole, the blood
starts pouring out. Sometimes if someone had a bleed or something.
It's always red. It's different shades of red, but it's
always red. It's never blue.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
All right. Last question, is there a certain family tradition
you're excited to share with your son? I mean, yeah,
I'm really excited for Christmas time this year. I mean
even though he's only going to be like six months
old and not understand anything, like it'll be he's not
gonna understand anything for like three years. No totally, but
like I'm excited to bring him to like Phillies games,
(53:11):
what we which is what we do every summer. I'm
excited to take him to do all the Christmas stuff obviously,
Like my favorite family tradition we do is we see
the Nutcracker every year. I think we're gonna keep that
a girl's only event. Probably, It's like, I don't think
he's gonna be it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
You know, you know that Gabe secretly wants to go
and he he I'm just like, you can't go. Sorry,
I think he he would like it, though.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
I I think Gabe would like it too, but I'm like,
I don't want to make him sit through a two
hour ballet, and I don't want my two hour ballet
ruined for me, So like he could spend the day
with his dad and Biscatti on that day that we're
at the Nutcracker, but otherwise, yeah, like I mean, I
feel like I'm just excited for him to just do
the stuff we've always been doing. And obviously it's gonna
(53:55):
be different because we've only ever had girls, but it'll
be fun to create new traditions as well. Do you
when do you think we have to start buying him
a Phillies ticket? That's what I want to know. I
think when I think you're supposed to when they're two light,
well you could push that to like four, but yeah, exactly,
like many of my friends have waited till their kids
(54:18):
were like three, at least three or four. Yeah, maybe
honest five, depending how small.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
That would Yeah, I would just do it until it's
not like you're going to have a super huge kid,
so like, let's just try to push it as long
as possible. Yeah, I think we have some time and
we could probably we could probably push it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
How are they gonna know? It's not like babies of
little drivers license exactly. But game changer is I think
you're allowed to bring a full stroller and diaper bag
in there, so like we can carry anything. Now, Oh
that is good, Maybe a cooler full of fizzies. This time,
we'll get back to a cooler full of contraband fizzies.
(54:59):
All the hot in the world for the hot dog?
Who are I sank ga? No listen?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
I bought him a hot dog steam machine for Christmas,
and I'm going to make like ten hot dogs and
just bring them in tinfoil. I'm gonna get like a
like a a pouch that will keep them insulated and warm.
The hot dogs that the game suck, They ruined it.
They put them in first. They put them into plastic
(55:28):
boxes so it doesn't get wrapped up with the foil
that like helps to keep the roll soggy. And the
and like you know, it like steams itself in there
and then.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Possible to carry. And I don't want my shit in
like that much plastic like that. They're impossible to carry,
and it's making a shit ton of trash. Like I
don't really understand why they did that. I don't understand
it either. I sank Gabe that I was gonna buy
him this little onesie that had hot dogs. He thought
it was pretty cute. And now he's made best friends
(56:00):
with those hot dog people that own that stores. Oh god, yeah,
all right, hot dog core. All right, guys, we have
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