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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a couple of insurance fraud stories.
Novelty a rectile dysfunctioned chocolates that have actual, real hidden
(00:31):
medications in them. A really bizarre story about a woman
who thinks she's a pedophile but it turns out she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know, I don't know thoughts, I don't know
how I feel about that. Still, then we'll end the
episode answering the question we're all dying to know. What
is a sperm shower? And it is not what you
are thinking. All that in moral today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
All right, so first let's start off with this most
outrageous amount of story. So, police in the Pall are
claiming that over thirty Mount Ever skides were part of
a massive insurance fraud scheme where they were poisoning climbers
to get millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, so I guess they were either they themselves were
poisoning some of the climbers, and I don't know exactly
how they were poisoning, but they were trying to mimic
that they were having altitude sickness, so then they would
have to get rescued off of the mountain, call a medavac,
and bring them to the hospital. And this was some
kind of big scheme between all of these people, like
(01:34):
let's see how many people we could metavac off of
this mountain. It ends up that they did one hundred
and seventy one metavacs that were considered to be unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So this there was a couple ways in which they
were doing it. So one way was that they were
waiting for a climber to have reached a certain altitude
to get some symptoms of altitude sickness, and then they
would urge them to take Diamoc's tablets and drink an
excessive amount of water, which ended up making it worse.
Or b they were putting baking soda into their food
(02:08):
when they weren't looking, because apparently it would mimic the
same symptoms. Or see, they were straight up telling the
climbers like, if you don't feel like climbing back down,
you could just fake being sick and we'll call the helicopter.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wow. So the first two. The first two, so aside
from this insurance fraud scheme. If I, like, you know,
climbing Mount Everest is one of the top things a
human could do, yes, right, and people trained for years
to do it. If I found out that I got
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to that point in my life and was on this
climb and someone poisoned me, because that's what happened in
both cases, or tricked me into thinking that I needed
something and I had to stop it before I got
to the top, or like you know, people or people
might there's a rare amount of people that actually get
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to the top, but the higher you go, the more
streak cred you get, right, so you're cutting it short.
Because of this reason, it also costs people a ton
of money to do this, Like there has to be
some kind of lawsuits and stuff associated with this, just
from the people who were climbers in addition to the
insurance fraud.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is what I found super interesting is that police
in this area started getting hip to this in twenty eighteen,
but I guess at that time they couldn't prove it
was happening, So then at some point they reopened the
case and discovered that between twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty five alone, about five thousand climbers were affected by this.
The scheme generated twenty million dollars because the helicopters and
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this they're also alleging that the local hospitals were in
on this too, were making these false insurance claims with
these international insurance companies because a lot of these climbers
were coming from a GND or Australia, for example, and
the insurance companies were having a really difficult time tracking
the incidents and exactly what occurred because of this remote
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area in Nepal. So they were just paying out and
then I'm assuming at that point the guides would be
getting a cut of that money from the helicopter companies
or the hospitals that were fraudulently getting this money from
the insurance companies.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And I know this sounds corny because there's commercials about
this all the time, but insurance fraud really does hurt everyone.
It makes everyone. We had a big case of it
in New Jersey with public health employees and everything a
couple years ago, and all of our insurance got raised
because of it, and like that's nothing that we did.
(04:45):
It's just like when they're stealing this money, it comes
from somewhere and the next case that we're going to
talk about too, it's exactly what happens, like you cause
this twenty million dollar in short, it's fraud. Are they
ever going to get that money back? No? Probably not.
(05:05):
Maybe they'll get some of it, but like they're never
getting it back because most of the people that are
doing this are regular people that don't have that much
money aside from the money that they stole. It's not
like you always see these like didn't they just say that,
Like Brian Coburger is getting sued for all this money,
and it's just like, well, nobody's ever getting that money,
(05:25):
because where's he ever getting that money? You know, Like
it's that kind of a thing. Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean with him, it's especially dumb because it's like,
I guess the point is to like drown somebody in
debt that they could never have somewhat of a normal life.
But he's never gonna out of prison, so like what's
the point and what's he make two cents an hour
making license plates? Like it just it doesn't make any
sense at all why he would put somebody in so
(05:51):
many millions of dollars of debt that you were never
gonna see it, unless it's just the principle of being like,
f you for what you did to me.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, so I mean that's probably the case in that case,
but in this one too. It's just like whenever there's
these big insurance frog cases, these people are usually people
that get involved in that stuff for people who are
desperate for money, and they spend the money. So the
money's gone, So how are the insurance companies getting their
money back? They're raising rates for now everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And it's not like five rogue guides were involved. Thirty
two guides were charged. That's a lot of people, and
that they're saying just in a three year time span
that they were able to track, five thousand climbers were
affected by this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
No, a lot of times it does. Like the one
that I was just talking about that happened in the
state of New Jersey with art for state employees health plan.
It was a bunch of people involved from multiple different levels, doctors,
people like, it was like a whole chain of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I just can't believe these people meet up. We
say this all the time, like about pedophiles in particular,
especially when it's like a couple doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, I know, I personally know someone that was doing it,
and I know someone that tried to recruit someone I
know to do it, so I know exactly how it
went down. It's just and the person that was trying
to get recruited was like, you're a fucking idiot, why
would you be doing this. But some people fall for
it and think, you know, it's a get rich quick
situation and that doesn't exist. And it's literally like watching
(07:27):
a movie Office Space when he goes up to his
friend and he's just like, no, we're just taking fractions
of a penny, and it's just like, no, you're still stealing. Yeah,
you're going to get caught. Like that's why that movie
is so funny, because you could see how people fall
for it easily and try to sell it like they're
not really doing anything wrong, and then other people are
(07:50):
looking at it and they're just like, yeah, no, I'm
not touching that with a ten foot pole. Though.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Speaking of I got a new printer, so I said
the verb to Ricky, do you want to go office
my printer my old one in the backyard, smash it
up exactly all right? So, speaking of theft, a former
surgical tech working at a hospital in Camden, New Jersey,
which is very close to us, has been charged after
stealing about two and a half million dollars worth of
(08:17):
hospital supplies and then reselling it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So one thing I loved about this story that I
saw last night, which was the first thing that I recognized,
was the prosecutor put out an article and then multiple
news outlets and it said a Camden hospital, which is
just annoying because I'm like, why don't you just name
the hospital. There's two in Camden, right, So I then
I found another one that said it was Cooper ABC.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It was like, I'm giving birth. No it's not, it's
the other one. So anyway, it's it's actually we I
know that we have not a lot of listeners that
work at Cooper, so maybe we could get some more
details about this. This is a forty four year old
lady who was a surgical tech who was stealing these
Medtronic infused bone graph devices, which basically are used to
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assist with bone growth. So you have a broken bone
or a surgery or a spinal fusion or something like that,
and it's it's placed in between to help encourage bone growth.
In that particular area. So she was pretending to be
some kind of an associate that was allowed to be
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selling these things. She was impersonating somebody she.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Was impersonating, like a medical supply sales rep and selling
them to a legitimate medical supplies company.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah. So, but so it all kind of went and
I am curious because it's it's like, you know, you
search for her, you can't find any information on her. Now,
It's just like, why are they protecting her? I don't
really know, maybe because she hasn't formally been convicted yet.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But on the prosecutor website they named her and everything
inside where she lived, and they've yeah, went through exactly
what she did.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, but like you can find her Facebook pay all
that stuff has gone. Like it's you know, people just
want to know who it is. So I'm just curious,
like how this went down in the hospital. But they
did write a little bit of the information. I guess
she was ordering these supplies and the hospital was just like, wait,
there's like way too many getting ordered in comparison to
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what we're actually using. Like they they figured it out
at any hospital that's got their shit squared away could
easily figure this out because they're like, for example, when
you're working in the lab, not only do you order
lab supplies, but you also order other stuff too, Like
we had a like a essentially like a credit card
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to order Staples supplies, right, and you could, if nobody's
really watching you, you could order like shit to supply
your your husband's business that he employs fifty people, like
they wouldn't notice if nobody's paying attention. Well, yeah, you
could totally do that, and that's exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I guess what triggered them at first was in October
they noticed a lot of the machines were missing, and
then they were like, well, as a matter of fact,
a lot of them have been getting ordered in the
last couple of months and we haven't had an uptick
in needing them, so that was weird. And then they
caught her in December leaving the hospital with medical supplies.
(11:22):
So then when they reviewed other CCTV with her in it,
they realized she was frequently coming to work with a
giant empty bag and leaving with it completely full.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Like what an idiot? Yeah, really, like what I'm just
trying to think, Like you're asserts checking your work in there, Like,
how do you even come up with this idea? I
mean she she came up with this idea and got
away with it. If she was doing it. This is
how criminals always get caught. If she was doing like
one or two once in a while, she would have
(11:54):
gotten away with this for years. Well, if she's the greed,
they always just do this dumb shit Like well, she.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Was impersonating a medical supply vendor. She was probably happy
to keep phoner all our orders, so then she had
to keep going in and taking more. She made almost
five hundred thousand dollars selling these things.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, so but exactly like this is another case where
that money's probably gone. And this is another thing that's
this is like a similar thing to talking about the
fraud case that I was just talking the personal one
that I know about. It's just like these people get
all this extra money. Everyone around them has to be like,
(12:34):
you make this much money a year, how all of
a sudden, Like a surgical tech doesn't make a shit
ton of money. They make under one hundred thousand dollars
a year, So all of a sudden, this chick's got
four hundred thousand dollars, Like, where are you getting that from.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well exactly, And it's not like if you go to
buy a house or something, they're not going to realize
it's coming from a weird outlet, Like.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What are you really getting out of it? And it
is interesting too because it's like if you have a
person who's it's been a surgical tech and seemingly has
been making under one hundred thousand dollars their entire career.
The chick's my age's like forty four, right, it's just like,
all of a sudden, in the past six months, you've
had four hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars deposited into
your bank account. Like that's not of cash or whatever
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it is. I don't even know. I mean, if she
would actually, if she was pretending to be a vendor,
she was probably getting like legit checks with taxes taken out,
and shit.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well that's what I was gonna say. Like we saw,
we I bring this up all the time, but we
saw in the case of David Scnce that like he
actually did seemingly have the proper paperwork for the businesses
he was selling the items or the stolen organs and
devices from out of his dead patients. But the people
just didn't know exactly where they're being sourced from.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Isn't it kind of amazing that, Like I understand, I've
been through this when I was a CIDO tech just
being like, Okay, I need to go back to school
to get a better, like a higher paying job, because
like this isn't going to cut it for me, right
that people. I mean, clearly she's smart enough to come
up with this scheme and get away with it. It's
just like, if you really needed to make more money,
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like why didn't you just go back to school and
get a better job and like use that brain towards
that instead of this.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's not how criminals think. Like so often when we
cover these elaborate cases, you're like, you're clearly a really
intelligent person, so why don't you just use it to
making legitimate money instead of doing this crime.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I mean, I definitely believe that people get away with
stuff all the time, But just this kind of a
thing you just have, Like that's what makes me think
that she's like not all there, because it's just those
types of things just never work out long term, Like
you're not going to sit there and make four hundred
thousand dollars a year for years, and nobody's going to notice.
Come on.
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Speaker 1 (16:08):
Okay, So these these erectile dysfunction I would call it
novelty chocolate because it sounds like something that you would
buy at like Seem and Eve or Condom Kingdom on Cels.
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I firstly like that they're called afrodisiac chocolates. So several
of these we'll call them novelty chocolate products have been
recalled after the FDA found life threatening amounts of viagra
in them.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So this is the deal. Things like that that you
that you see in like you see I see them
on the road trips. You're in the road trips. And
then there's like they have herbal supplements for sale at
the register where you could buy cigarettes and stuff, and
it'll say like erectile dysfunction afridij something like that. Like
(17:01):
they're not FDA approved and they all fall under the
category of vitamins. So if you read the back of
the package, it's just like take at your own risk.
None of these ingredients have been determined to treat this thing.
It's saying it's treated. It's just like the typical thing
you see with when you buy vitamins. But so normally
(17:21):
with a rectile dysfunction, you would. They would, and they
sell them all over the place, like herbal supplements that
would have like this yohimbi in it or gin sync
or something like that that may or may not help
with a rectile dysfunction. But these particular ones had actual
prescription medications put in them and it wasn't on the package.
(17:43):
So people that already have an underlying heart condition should
never you should, I mean any really any condition. You
should always be looking at herbal supplements and seeing what
it is, because just because it's a nerve doesn't mean
it's not safe. I actually had an autopsy on someone
that had an over dose of salt palmetto vitamin SO
(18:04):
and had a toxic liver reaction and died from it,
a young woman actually who was taking it for hair loss.
So it's not benign just because because it's a vitamin.
So if you do have an underlying heart condition, you
shouldn't take certain kinds of herbs that could cause you
to that could cause the blood vessels to open wider,
(18:26):
close down, or anything like that, just because you're risking
your health when it comes to that. But when a
person's on a nitrate medicine for that that you would
treat for like angina, which is chest pained, and those
patients that are on those types of medications should never
be given viagra. Like your doctor won't prescribe them together,
(18:48):
or shouldn't. If you go to CBS to pick up
your prescription, your doctor's going to be like, you can't
take these together. It's like one of those things, right,
So this company is like sneaking this in because obviously
people are gonna be like, shit, that really works. I'm
gonna keep buying that. It's not a real medication, but
it is, and you could, like people could die because
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the nitrate medicine makes your blood vessels dilate, and that
also could happen with the viagara as well, Like, so
you want to make sure that you're not taking two
drugs that could do that, because it could cause your
blood pressure to go so low, like to a dangerous
level that could hurt you or kill you.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I've literally never seen these things before, and now that
we talked about this, I'm gonna see them everywhere. Like
how last week we were talking about that woman eating
the nails in her ice cream. I never heard of
brewsters in my life. And then Friday morning was in
Glen Mills and drove right by one I never had
heard there.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You never see these at like seven eleven or something
like one of those like a Bodegasaurs. No, I mean
they have like energy, you know, they have like those
little energy shots and stuff. There's like these little sections
that that sell like it's just like a vitamin packs
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I really don't go to wa Wa unless I'm with you,
but Wall why well, I think their coffee is no
caffeine in it, and since we've been gluten free, nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Is Waba is going to I want Wawa to sponsor us,
so don't ever, don't talk shit on that. I love.
They should pay for like my to renew my wedding
vowels since I met Gabe there, like maybe when I'm
married for twenty years we could have because like my
ultimate if I had I had no money when we
got married to have an actual wedding. But like, wouldn't
(20:43):
that have been cool to have a wedding that was
wah wah theme, that had like butterscotch crimpet wedding cake
and soft pretzels and and like mint mocha iced coffee,
like all the Wawa specialties that mint coffee, and like
hogies like wah Bah Italian schwarbamb hogies. I really wish
(21:04):
you didn't just bring up butterscotch cumpets because I want
one so bad. I've been wanting one so bad for
like the last three years. We're so good, we need
to figure out how to make them gluten free. Knowledge. No,
there's a gluten free bakery that I went to. It's
not in Lancaster, but it's like up there, Okay, it's
in that town that begins with an E. I think
(21:26):
it's called like e Fredda or Efreeder or something like that.
And there was a really good free bakery there and
they made the butterscotch crumpets and the candy cakes and
they were good, Like it was good.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Listen, not that we have time or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Like, let's just add that, No, you can't leave because
what if you go into labor, then you're gonna freak
out that you're an hour away from the house. All right,
let's talk about all right, talk about this sperm shower.
What's a sperm shower? All right?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So this woman who's going going through IVF is going
viral after hosting this sperm shower to pick the sperm
donor for her future children. So she created this slide
show of candidates, which she deemed a donor draft, and
then I guess what happened is she formed this presentation
where she put the candidates uh images and they're the
(22:18):
little biography she got from the sperm bank, showing all
the details about them, and then had twenty of her
friends and family come over. They went through all the
candidates and then they all picked who.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
She yeah, well, this is this is very unusual. So
she's she doesn't have a partner that she's having, like
no choice, it's just by herself. She's in her mid thirties.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
She said, she lives in a small town and her
dating life's not really going anywhere, but she does want
to be a mom, so she decided this was the
avenue she was going to go as a single parent.
So she needs to pick the sperm donor. But obviously
that could be a difficult choice to make yourself personally.
I think this is a fun way of approaching something
like this, but I also have to wonder if it's
a hip a violation of some sort. Showing all these
(23:04):
people's faces and their information to a room full of people.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So I know someone that had a sperm donor and
she told and I don't know if this is at
every place, but she told me, they only show you
pictures of their baby pictures. They're like little kid pictures. Okay,
maybe that was the case. There was some mention of that,
so so it's like they wouldn't be showing because I
thought that that was weird too, because I was just like,
(23:28):
people want to donate sperm and just like show their face.
Wouldn't that just pop up if you're dating something, you know,
like you don't really know what's going to happen with
that for this very reason because you don't know what
the people are going to do with it. But apparently
it's just what they looked like when they were a
little kid. And then all their stats like how educated
they are, what their background is, just things like that,
(23:51):
how tall they are.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Her scorecard could rank appearance, health, vibes, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
She said. Some of the depending on the bank, some of.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Their profiles had information like SAT scores, birthweight, GPA, personality.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Type, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They made it even more fun by having what was
called a nacho daddy bar, like a not too bar,
and then one of her friend's moms brought over a
sperm cake they call I think they called the Seltzer.
Like they had a bucket of like fizzies and like
you know, like just like selter and they called it
like the fizzy jizzy bar.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So gross.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I don't know, like I think this is a cool
way to approach it. It's obviously, like going through IVF
is really difficult. This is a hard decision to make,
Like she kind of said, it goes in between a
bachelorette party and a baby shower of sorts. I think
if you have friends that are supportive of what you're
doing and they're gonna be cool about it, and they
could come over and make it a fun situation and
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actually really help you, Like she said, everybody that came
took it really seriously, and like she did end up
finding a good sperm donor from it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So I'm just curious, like how honest are people, because
when you're talking about medical history, like are you actually
gonna say, oh, I have a history of cancer in
my family and stuff like that, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, haven't we covered stories where people were not in
the past, and then remember we had that one where
like all those people were getting that rare form of
cancer from the one sperm donor.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying. Like, of course, everyone's
gonna sound pretty good, like I have. I know that
you could prove things like what your birth weight was
and how tall you are and different personality type things.
But people aren't gonna report the negatives. How are you
gonna say, like.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I have tockead well, I have to imagine, like with
the genetic component that at this point definitely they're gonna
have to get blood testing done or that there has
to be certain credentials for the sperm bank to even
accept it as a viable donation, right.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, but that's not gonna like how in depth is
that really it? Do'll me test everything under the son.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Unpopular opinion maybe, but like I think, if you know
your sat score.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Your guts, like I couldn't tell you what mine was.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm thirty one years old, who gives a shit?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, if you're trying to sell your sperm, yeah, if
you're like eighteen and you just took it and you remember,
But like if you're in your thirty teking about your score.
Like I want to say this that I have a
master's degree. My husband has a master's degree and a doctorate,
and like we never took the SATs, Like why does
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it even matter. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It doesn't like I took them. I did well enough
to get into colleges with it.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Why do you even need it to get into college?
Like I didn't need it to get into college, gave
didn't need to get I just don't really understand it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well. I think they're going back on that now because
like somebody like me, for example, I do really Maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This is why I'm bitter about it. Somebody's gonna call
me out.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Somebody like me does really poorly on like those state
tests and tests like that, but like in general, I
did really well. I had straight a's in school, you know,
so I feel like my academics weren't really reflecting on
those tests necessarily. I obviously passed enough to get into
like I got accepted into Drexel, and I think they
had certain standards of what your score had to be
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to get in at the time I was applying there.
But I think college is starting to pull back on
that because you're seeing how fucking pointless it is.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, but you're saying starting to like, I like, I
graduated almost twenty years ago from grad school at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like it's just it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I don't know. I just really don't get it. I
didn't I mean, I didn't go the traditional you know,
I dropped out of high school, so I didn't go
to high school for four years and then and then
go to college right from there. So maybe that's why.
But like if you could backdoor it, then just like
I don't know, I listen, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I think it's unnecessary stress on a teenager and it
doesn't really attribute anything. I know, people that got really
high on say to scores that I went to high
school with that are total fucking losers now, so.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Like what does it matter? All right, let's finish up
with this last story, which is I don't really even
know how to feel about this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I think this is one of the most outrageous headlines
I've ever had to stay on here, twenty two year
old woman worried she's a pedophile, only to be diagnosed
with a rare form of OCD.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So this woman I've never heard of this. I'm sure
some of you guys have. I just never heard of this.
When she was fifteen years old, started having constant sexual
and violent thoughts about children. She thought she was a
pedophile and a rapist and could harm somebody else, and
she just was obsessing over it for years of her
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life until she saw a TikTok video that described this
condition called pedophilia themed upset of compulsive disorder, and then
she realized that she probably had that and went to
a doctor and got diagnosed with it. So I guess
you're saying the same thing that everybody's saying, like, what
what's the difference between that and a person that's a pedophile?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. And it's like,
I guess, her whole life she struggled with some form
of anxiety and panic attacks, and at first her obsession
was getting kidnapped or dying, and then when she was fifteen,
it shifted to these pedophilic thoughts, and then she sees
this TikTok at nineteen, but she still doesn't get the
formal diagnosis for years after that, like she was going
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to therapy but not being honest with them about the
thoughts and then finally when she did and suggested this
based on this TikTok, she saw she got the diagnosis.
But like my argument is is like it is like
I don't even think I could get this out correctly.
What is the differen diference between her and another pedophile?
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Like you're having thoughts of doing it and then one
just crosses the line to actually doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
No, it's different because from what I gathered from it,
it's like you're having these intrusive thoughts that keep coming
up because your mind keeps going on repeat, even though
you don't want to keep thinking about it, Like that's
the thing. You don't want to be thinking about it,
and those thoughts do not align with your moral values,
whereas with a pedophile, like it's a sexual deviant behavior
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that they want.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, I don't know if that's true necessarily, because I
feel like we've covered pedophilia cases in the past where
they're like, I don't want to be like this, but
I can't help it, and they just do it. Like
I think that most pedophiles are able to identify the
thoughts and behavior and also identified to some extent that
it is wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She's yeah, but she doesn't like just but she doesn't
want it, though I understand, like they they think, they
might think it's wrong, but they still want it. Like
she doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, I get that, but I'm saying in some pedophile
cases we have covered, they too say they don't want it,
but they couldn't override the part of their brain that
made them act on it. But they don't want to
be like that, but they can't help but do it.
So I guess I'm just confused. Like personally, I think
this whole story. If this was me, I'd keep it
to my fucking self, like I would never go to
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the press and talk about this. And she's trying to
get the stigma away with it because I guess this
affects a lot of people, and I'm trying to understand that. Well.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
She's saying that people are reaching out to her, saying like, yeah,
I think about like bludgeoning my children to death all
the time, and I have obsessive thoughts about it. I'm
just like, okay, like exactly people are gonna start. I mean,
this is the thing though, Like, and this is where
I kind of don't always think that they're is a
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great idea because like therapy is good if you go
to the therapist and you're honest with them one hundred percent,
but like a lot of people aren't, and mostly like
I'm sure if you did a surgery a survey, like
a lot of people don't say a lot of things
that are going on in their life. Oh absolutely so,
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So there's like a limitation to that. And I guess
she's trying to say, I was holding this in because like,
you're not gonna go to a therapist and talk about
your anxiety and they're gonna say, well, what are you
anxious about? And you're not gonna say, like, oh, I
want to cut heads off of children, Like you you're
scared to say that out loud because you think you're
gonna go get committed somewhere, Like people are scared to
say that out loud, And she's just trying to be like,
(32:45):
I kept it in all this time, and then it's
actually a thing, And if I would have said something
out loud, I might have got identified earlier, and then
we could have got to the root of the problem.
So I do like when it's described to me as
it was in this way, and when I read about
it through medical like legitimate medical websites and stuff. I
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do think that there's a difference between the thoughts, the
obsessive thoughts of like something like OCD is a problem.
You don't have it, so maybe you don't really realize
how it is, but it's like a thought pops in
your head and you just like can't make those thoughts
go away, and you you know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I understand that I'm saying, though Like, let's say in
the future, somebody does commit a pedophilic act on a
child and then they're like, well, I have this condition,
Like is this a defense?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
No, because you're not. You're not acting on it. You're
just thinking about it, Like you wouldn't act on it
unless you wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But what if the thoughts are so intrusive that your
brain thinks you have to act on it, Like this
is what I'm saying, Like I feel like at some
point you could cross the threshold of actually doing it
because the thoughts are so intrusive in your brain. I
understand they're trying to say, like the difference between this
and being a pedophile is like wanting to do it
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versus not. But I just think that's a really fine
line or people could be using this as an excuse
in the future. I'm just having a really hard time
wrapping my brain around it, like I understand what you're
explaining to me. I'm just saying I could see this
going wrong. But if you do it, then you want
to do it, not necessarily because you guess you could
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argue of a mental illness.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That made then thought it. Oh yeah, but the mental
what would the mental illness be, like schizophrenia?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I don't know, Like why do other pedophiles do what
they want to do?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like because they're pedophiles. It's not to say, like that's
what I'm trying to say, like if you if you
want to do it versus not want to do it,
like you're having thoughts of things that you don't you know,
like think of it with other OCD stuff like the
washing the hand situation and all that stuff, like but
do they want to provide.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Hands or they can't? Like this is what I'm trying
to to say. In real OCD, do they want to
wash their hands forty times in a row or does
their brain make them do it and they don't even
realize they're doing it?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, your brain doesn't make you do stuff. It's you
have control over what you do, like your brain, Like
your brain's not like Nicole, go get in the car
and drive like you're the one that's doing the You're
the one that's in control of that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But the argument I'm trying to make is like, if
your OCD tells you you need to shut a door
seventeen times before you can leave the house, do you
want to shut the door seventeen times? Are you doing
it as a response to the intrusive thoughts? You're doing
it as a response, I suppose yes. So in the
pedophilia version of this, you might not want to harm
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a child like that, but your intrusive thoughts might be
directing you in that way, is what I'm trying to say. So, like,
I just need more information this. I'm not saying she's
a predator or anything. I just think it's kind of
a wild thing to come out with and your faces
all over people magazine talking about this condition.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think the picture's funnier because she's wearing like this
soft pink sweater and she's like this young pretty girl
that's just smiling, and you're just like I think it's
good awareness because people don't a lot of times when
people think about OCD, it's just like they just think
about the classic things that you think of of, like
(36:34):
like you just said with the door handle and stuff,
and it's not just that, it's just like repeated intrusive
thoughts like that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, I don't know, like I just I just think
it's out right just the story that's even been published
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a couple of insurance fraud stories.
Novelty a rectile dysfunctioned chocolates that have actual, real hidden
(00:31):
medications in them. A really bizarre story about a woman
who thinks she's a pedophile but it turns out she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I don't know, I don't know thoughts, I don't know
how I feel about that. Still, then we'll end the
episode answering the question we're all dying to know. What
is a sperm shower? And it is not what you
are thinking. All that in moral today's episode.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
All right, so first let's start off with this most
outrageous amount of story. So, police in the Pall are
claiming that over thirty Mount Ever skides were part of
a massive insurance fraud scheme where they were poisoning climbers
to get millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, so I guess they were either they themselves were
poisoning some of the climbers, and I don't know exactly
how they were poisoning, but they were trying to mimic
that they were having altitude sickness, so then they would
have to get rescued off of the mountain, call a medavac,
and bring them to the hospital. And this was some
kind of big scheme between all of these people, like
(01:34):
let's see how many people we could metavac off of
this mountain. It ends up that they did one hundred
and seventy one metavacs that were considered to be unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So this there was a couple ways in which they
were doing it. So one way was that they were
waiting for a climber to have reached a certain altitude
to get some symptoms of altitude sickness, and then they
would urge them to take Diamoc's tablets and drink an
excessive amount of water, which ended up making it worse.
Or b they were putting baking soda into their food
(02:08):
when they weren't looking, because apparently it would mimic the
same symptoms. Or see, they were straight up telling the
climbers like, if you don't feel like climbing back down,
you could just fake being sick and we'll call the helicopter.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Wow. So the first two. The first two, so aside
from this insurance fraud scheme. If I, like, you know,
climbing Mount Everest is one of the top things a
human could do, yes, right, and people trained for years
to do it. If I found out that I got
(02:41):
to that point in my life and was on this
climb and someone poisoned me, because that's what happened in
both cases, or tricked me into thinking that I needed
something and I had to stop it before I got
to the top, or like you know, people or people
might there's a rare amount of people that actually get
(03:03):
to the top, but the higher you go, the more
streak cred you get, right, so you're cutting it short.
Because of this reason, it also costs people a ton
of money to do this, Like there has to be
some kind of lawsuits and stuff associated with this, just
from the people who were climbers in addition to the
insurance fraud.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This is what I found super interesting is that police
in this area started getting hip to this in twenty eighteen,
but I guess at that time they couldn't prove it
was happening, So then at some point they reopened the
case and discovered that between twenty twenty two and twenty
twenty five alone, about five thousand climbers were affected by this.
The scheme generated twenty million dollars because the helicopters and
(03:49):
this they're also alleging that the local hospitals were in
on this too, were making these false insurance claims with
these international insurance companies because a lot of these climbers
were coming from a GND or Australia, for example, and
the insurance companies were having a really difficult time tracking
the incidents and exactly what occurred because of this remote
(04:09):
area in Nepal. So they were just paying out and
then I'm assuming at that point the guides would be
getting a cut of that money from the helicopter companies
or the hospitals that were fraudulently getting this money from
the insurance companies.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And I know this sounds corny because there's commercials about
this all the time, but insurance fraud really does hurt everyone.
It makes everyone. We had a big case of it
in New Jersey with public health employees and everything a
couple years ago, and all of our insurance got raised
because of it, and like that's nothing that we did.
(04:45):
It's just like when they're stealing this money, it comes
from somewhere and the next case that we're going to
talk about too, it's exactly what happens, like you cause
this twenty million dollar in short, it's fraud. Are they
ever going to get that money back? No? Probably not.
(05:05):
Maybe they'll get some of it, but like they're never
getting it back because most of the people that are
doing this are regular people that don't have that much
money aside from the money that they stole. It's not
like you always see these like didn't they just say that,
Like Brian Coburger is getting sued for all this money,
and it's just like, well, nobody's ever getting that money,
(05:25):
because where's he ever getting that money? You know, Like
it's that kind of a thing. Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean with him, it's especially dumb because it's like,
I guess the point is to like drown somebody in
debt that they could never have somewhat of a normal life.
But he's never gonna out of prison, so like what's
the point and what's he make two cents an hour
making license plates? Like it just it doesn't make any
sense at all why he would put somebody in so
(05:51):
many millions of dollars of debt that you were never
gonna see it, unless it's just the principle of being like,
f you for what you did to me.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, so I mean that's probably the case in that case,
but in this one too. It's just like whenever there's
these big insurance frog cases, these people are usually people
that get involved in that stuff for people who are
desperate for money, and they spend the money. So the
money's gone, So how are the insurance companies getting their
money back? They're raising rates for now everyone.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
And it's not like five rogue guides were involved. Thirty
two guides were charged. That's a lot of people, and
that they're saying just in a three year time span
that they were able to track, five thousand climbers were
affected by this.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
No, a lot of times it does. Like the one
that I was just talking about that happened in the
state of New Jersey with art for state employees health plan.
It was a bunch of people involved from multiple different levels, doctors,
people like, it was like a whole chain of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, I just can't believe these people meet up. We
say this all the time, like about pedophiles in particular,
especially when it's like a couple doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Well, I know, I personally know someone that was doing it,
and I know someone that tried to recruit someone I
know to do it, so I know exactly how it
went down. It's just and the person that was trying
to get recruited was like, you're a fucking idiot, why
would you be doing this. But some people fall for
it and think, you know, it's a get rich quick
situation and that doesn't exist. And it's literally like watching
(07:27):
a movie Office Space when he goes up to his
friend and he's just like, no, we're just taking fractions
of a penny, and it's just like, no, you're still stealing. Yeah,
you're going to get caught. Like that's why that movie
is so funny, because you could see how people fall
for it easily and try to sell it like they're
not really doing anything wrong, and then other people are
(07:50):
looking at it and they're just like, yeah, no, I'm
not touching that with a ten foot pole. Though.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Speaking of I got a new printer, so I said
the verb to Ricky, do you want to go office
my printer my old one in the backyard, smash it
up exactly all right? So, speaking of theft, a former
surgical tech working at a hospital in Camden, New Jersey,
which is very close to us, has been charged after
stealing about two and a half million dollars worth of
(08:17):
hospital supplies and then reselling it.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So one thing I loved about this story that I
saw last night, which was the first thing that I recognized,
was the prosecutor put out an article and then multiple
news outlets and it said a Camden hospital, which is
just annoying because I'm like, why don't you just name
the hospital. There's two in Camden, right, So I then
I found another one that said it was Cooper ABC.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It was like, I'm giving birth. No it's not, it's
the other one. So anyway, it's it's actually we I
know that we have not a lot of listeners that
work at Cooper, so maybe we could get some more
details about this. This is a forty four year old
lady who was a surgical tech who was stealing these
Medtronic infused bone graph devices, which basically are used to
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assist with bone growth. So you have a broken bone
or a surgery or a spinal fusion or something like that,
and it's it's placed in between to help encourage bone growth.
In that particular area. So she was pretending to be
some kind of an associate that was allowed to be
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selling these things. She was impersonating somebody she.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Was impersonating, like a medical supply sales rep and selling
them to a legitimate medical supplies company.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah. So, but so it all kind of went and
I am curious because it's it's like, you know, you
search for her, you can't find any information on her. Now,
It's just like, why are they protecting her? I don't
really know, maybe because she hasn't formally been convicted yet.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But on the prosecutor website they named her and everything
inside where she lived, and they've yeah, went through exactly
what she did.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, but like you can find her Facebook pay all
that stuff has gone. Like it's you know, people just
want to know who it is. So I'm just curious,
like how this went down in the hospital. But they
did write a little bit of the information. I guess
she was ordering these supplies and the hospital was just like, wait,
there's like way too many getting ordered in comparison to
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what we're actually using. Like they they figured it out
at any hospital that's got their shit squared away could
easily figure this out because they're like, for example, when
you're working in the lab, not only do you order
lab supplies, but you also order other stuff too, Like
we had a like a essentially like a credit card
(10:41):
to order Staples supplies, right, and you could, if nobody's
really watching you, you could order like shit to supply
your your husband's business that he employs fifty people, like
they wouldn't notice if nobody's paying attention. Well, yeah, you
could totally do that, and that's exactly what she was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I guess what triggered them at first was in October
they noticed a lot of the machines were missing, and
then they were like, well, as a matter of fact,
a lot of them have been getting ordered in the
last couple of months and we haven't had an uptick
in needing them, so that was weird. And then they
caught her in December leaving the hospital with medical supplies.
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So then when they reviewed other CCTV with her in it,
they realized she was frequently coming to work with a
giant empty bag and leaving with it completely full.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Like what an idiot? Yeah, really, like what I'm just
trying to think, Like you're asserts checking your work in there, Like,
how do you even come up with this idea? I
mean she she came up with this idea and got
away with it. If she was doing it. This is
how criminals always get caught. If she was doing like
one or two once in a while, she would have
(11:54):
gotten away with this for years. Well, if she's the greed,
they always just do this dumb shit Like well, she.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Was impersonating a medical supply vendor. She was probably happy
to keep phoner all our orders, so then she had
to keep going in and taking more. She made almost
five hundred thousand dollars selling these things.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, so but exactly like this is another case where
that money's probably gone. And this is another thing that's
this is like a similar thing to talking about the
fraud case that I was just talking the personal one
that I know about. It's just like these people get
all this extra money. Everyone around them has to be like,
(12:34):
you make this much money a year, how all of
a sudden, Like a surgical tech doesn't make a shit
ton of money. They make under one hundred thousand dollars
a year, So all of a sudden, this chick's got
four hundred thousand dollars, Like, where are you getting that from.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well exactly, And it's not like if you go to
buy a house or something, they're not going to realize
it's coming from a weird outlet, Like.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What are you really getting out of it? And it
is interesting too because it's like if you have a
person who's it's been a surgical tech and seemingly has
been making under one hundred thousand dollars their entire career.
The chick's my age's like forty four, right, it's just like,
all of a sudden, in the past six months, you've
had four hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars deposited into
your bank account. Like that's not of cash or whatever
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it is. I don't even know. I mean, if she
would actually, if she was pretending to be a vendor,
she was probably getting like legit checks with taxes taken out,
and shit.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well that's what I was gonna say. Like we saw,
we I bring this up all the time, but we
saw in the case of David Scnce that like he
actually did seemingly have the proper paperwork for the businesses
he was selling the items or the stolen organs and
devices from out of his dead patients. But the people
just didn't know exactly where they're being sourced from.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Isn't it kind of amazing that, Like I understand, I've
been through this when I was a CIDO tech just
being like, Okay, I need to go back to school
to get a better, like a higher paying job, because
like this isn't going to cut it for me, right
that people. I mean, clearly she's smart enough to come
up with this scheme and get away with it. It's
just like, if you really needed to make more money,
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like why didn't you just go back to school and
get a better job and like use that brain towards
that instead of this.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's not how criminals think. Like so often when we
cover these elaborate cases, you're like, you're clearly a really
intelligent person, so why don't you just use it to
making legitimate money instead of doing this crime.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I mean, I definitely believe that people get away with
stuff all the time, But just this kind of a
thing you just have, Like that's what makes me think
that she's like not all there, because it's just those
types of things just never work out long term, Like
you're not going to sit there and make four hundred
thousand dollars a year for years, and nobody's going to notice.
Come on.
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recalled after the FDA found life threatening amounts of viagra
in them.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
So this is the deal. Things like that that you
that you see in like you see I see them
on the road trips. You're in the road trips. And
then there's like they have herbal supplements for sale at
the register where you could buy cigarettes and stuff, and
it'll say like erectile dysfunction afridij something like that. Like
(17:01):
they're not FDA approved and they all fall under the
category of vitamins. So if you read the back of
the package, it's just like take at your own risk.
None of these ingredients have been determined to treat this thing.
It's saying it's treated. It's just like the typical thing
you see with when you buy vitamins. But so normally
(17:21):
with a rectile dysfunction, you would. They would, and they
sell them all over the place, like herbal supplements that
would have like this yohimbi in it or gin sync
or something like that that may or may not help
with a rectile dysfunction. But these particular ones had actual
prescription medications put in them and it wasn't on the package.
(17:43):
So people that already have an underlying heart condition should
never you should, I mean any really any condition. You
should always be looking at herbal supplements and seeing what
it is, because just because it's a nerve doesn't mean
it's not safe. I actually had an autopsy on someone
that had an over dose of salt palmetto vitamin SO
(18:04):
and had a toxic liver reaction and died from it,
a young woman actually who was taking it for hair loss.
So it's not benign just because because it's a vitamin.
So if you do have an underlying heart condition, you
shouldn't take certain kinds of herbs that could cause you
to that could cause the blood vessels to open wider,
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close down, or anything like that, just because you're risking
your health when it comes to that. But when a
person's on a nitrate medicine for that that you would
treat for like angina, which is chest pained, and those
patients that are on those types of medications should never
be given viagra. Like your doctor won't prescribe them together,
(18:48):
or shouldn't. If you go to CBS to pick up
your prescription, your doctor's going to be like, you can't
take these together. It's like one of those things, right,
So this company is like sneaking this in because obviously
people are gonna be like, shit, that really works. I'm
gonna keep buying that. It's not a real medication, but
it is, and you could, like people could die because
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the nitrate medicine makes your blood vessels dilate, and that
also could happen with the viagara as well, Like, so
you want to make sure that you're not taking two
drugs that could do that, because it could cause your
blood pressure to go so low, like to a dangerous
level that could hurt you or kill you.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I've literally never seen these things before, and now that
we talked about this, I'm gonna see them everywhere. Like
how last week we were talking about that woman eating
the nails in her ice cream. I never heard of
brewsters in my life. And then Friday morning was in
Glen Mills and drove right by one I never had
heard there.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
You never see these at like seven eleven or something
like one of those like a Bodegasaurs. No, I mean
they have like energy, you know, they have like those
little energy shots and stuff. There's like these little sections
that that sell like it's just like a vitamin packs
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I really don't go to wa Wa unless I'm with you,
but Wall why well, I think their coffee is no
caffeine in it, and since we've been gluten free, nothing.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Is Waba is going to I want Wawa to sponsor us,
so don't ever, don't talk shit on that. I love.
They should pay for like my to renew my wedding
vowels since I met Gabe there, like maybe when I'm
married for twenty years we could have because like my
ultimate if I had I had no money when we
got married to have an actual wedding. But like, wouldn't
(20:43):
that have been cool to have a wedding that was
wah wah theme, that had like butterscotch crimpet wedding cake
and soft pretzels and and like mint mocha iced coffee,
like all the Wawa specialties that mint coffee, and like
hogies like wah Bah Italian schwarbamb hogies. I really wish
(21:04):
you didn't just bring up butterscotch cumpets because I want
one so bad. I've been wanting one so bad for
like the last three years. We're so good, we need
to figure out how to make them gluten free. Knowledge. No,
there's a gluten free bakery that I went to. It's
not in Lancaster, but it's like up there, Okay, it's
in that town that begins with an E. I think
(21:26):
it's called like e Fredda or Efreeder or something like that.
And there was a really good free bakery there and
they made the butterscotch crumpets and the candy cakes and
they were good, Like it was good.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Listen, not that we have time or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Like, let's just add that, No, you can't leave because
what if you go into labor, then you're gonna freak
out that you're an hour away from the house. All right,
let's talk about all right, talk about this sperm shower.
What's a sperm shower? All right?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
So this woman who's going going through IVF is going
viral after hosting this sperm shower to pick the sperm
donor for her future children. So she created this slide
show of candidates, which she deemed a donor draft, and
then I guess what happened is she formed this presentation
where she put the candidates uh images and they're the
(22:18):
little biography she got from the sperm bank, showing all
the details about them, and then had twenty of her
friends and family come over. They went through all the
candidates and then they all picked who.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
She yeah, well, this is this is very unusual. So
she's she doesn't have a partner that she's having, like
no choice, it's just by herself. She's in her mid thirties.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
She said, she lives in a small town and her
dating life's not really going anywhere, but she does want
to be a mom, so she decided this was the
avenue she was going to go as a single parent.
So she needs to pick the sperm donor. But obviously
that could be a difficult choice to make yourself personally.
I think this is a fun way of approaching something
like this, but I also have to wonder if it's
a hip a violation of some sort. Showing all these
(23:04):
people's faces and their information to a room full of people.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So I know someone that had a sperm donor and
she told and I don't know if this is at
every place, but she told me, they only show you
pictures of their baby pictures. They're like little kid pictures. Okay,
maybe that was the case. There was some mention of that,
so so it's like they wouldn't be showing because I
thought that that was weird too, because I was just like,
(23:28):
people want to donate sperm and just like show their face.
Wouldn't that just pop up if you're dating something, you know,
like you don't really know what's going to happen with
that for this very reason because you don't know what
the people are going to do with it. But apparently
it's just what they looked like when they were a
little kid. And then all their stats like how educated
they are, what their background is, just things like that,
(23:51):
how tall they are.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Her scorecard could rank appearance, health, vibes, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
She said. Some of the depending on the bank, some of.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Their profiles had information like SAT scores, birthweight, GPA, personality.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Type, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They made it even more fun by having what was
called a nacho daddy bar, like a not too bar,
and then one of her friend's moms brought over a
sperm cake they call I think they called the Seltzer.
Like they had a bucket of like fizzies and like
you know, like just like selter and they called it
like the fizzy jizzy bar.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So gross.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I don't know, like I think this is a cool
way to approach it. It's obviously, like going through IVF
is really difficult. This is a hard decision to make,
Like she kind of said, it goes in between a
bachelorette party and a baby shower of sorts. I think
if you have friends that are supportive of what you're
doing and they're gonna be cool about it, and they
could come over and make it a fun situation and
(24:53):
actually really help you, Like she said, everybody that came
took it really seriously, and like she did end up
finding a good sperm donor from it.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So I'm just curious, like how honest are people, because
when you're talking about medical history, like are you actually
gonna say, oh, I have a history of cancer in
my family and stuff like that, Like.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, haven't we covered stories where people were not in
the past, and then remember we had that one where
like all those people were getting that rare form of
cancer from the one sperm donor.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm saying. Like, of course, everyone's
gonna sound pretty good, like I have. I know that
you could prove things like what your birth weight was
and how tall you are and different personality type things.
But people aren't gonna report the negatives. How are you
gonna say, like.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I have tockead well, I have to imagine, like with
the genetic component that at this point definitely they're gonna
have to get blood testing done or that there has
to be certain credentials for the sperm bank to even
accept it as a viable donation, right.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, but that's not gonna like how in depth is
that really it? Do'll me test everything under the son.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Unpopular opinion maybe, but like I think, if you know
your sat score.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Your guts, like I couldn't tell you what mine was.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I'm thirty one years old, who gives a shit?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, if you're trying to sell your sperm, yeah, if
you're like eighteen and you just took it and you remember,
But like if you're in your thirty teking about your score.
Like I want to say this that I have a
master's degree. My husband has a master's degree and a doctorate,
and like we never took the SATs, Like why does
(26:42):
it even matter. I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It doesn't like I took them. I did well enough
to get into colleges with it.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Why do you even need it to get into college?
Like I didn't need it to get into college, gave
didn't need to get I just don't really understand it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well. I think they're going back on that now because
like somebody like me, for example, I do really Maybe.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
This is why I'm bitter about it. Somebody's gonna call
me out.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Somebody like me does really poorly on like those state
tests and tests like that, but like in general, I
did really well. I had straight a's in school, you know,
so I feel like my academics weren't really reflecting on
those tests necessarily. I obviously passed enough to get into
like I got accepted into Drexel, and I think they
had certain standards of what your score had to be
(27:27):
to get in at the time I was applying there.
But I think college is starting to pull back on
that because you're seeing how fucking pointless it is.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, but you're saying starting to like, I like, I
graduated almost twenty years ago from grad school at this point.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Like it's just it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I don't know. I just really don't get it. I
didn't I mean, I didn't go the traditional you know,
I dropped out of high school, so I didn't go
to high school for four years and then and then
go to college right from there. So maybe that's why.
But like if you could backdoor it, then just like
I don't know, I listen, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I think it's unnecessary stress on a teenager and it
doesn't really attribute anything. I know, people that got really
high on say to scores that I went to high
school with that are total fucking losers now, so.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Like what does it matter? All right, let's finish up
with this last story, which is I don't really even
know how to feel about this.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I think this is one of the most outrageous headlines
I've ever had to stay on here, twenty two year
old woman worried she's a pedophile, only to be diagnosed
with a rare form of OCD.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
So this woman I've never heard of this. I'm sure
some of you guys have. I just never heard of this.
When she was fifteen years old, started having constant sexual
and violent thoughts about children. She thought she was a
pedophile and a rapist and could harm somebody else, and
she just was obsessing over it for years of her
(28:54):
life until she saw a TikTok video that described this
condition called pedophilia themed upset of compulsive disorder, and then
she realized that she probably had that and went to
a doctor and got diagnosed with it. So I guess
you're saying the same thing that everybody's saying, like, what
what's the difference between that and a person that's a pedophile?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. And it's like,
I guess, her whole life she struggled with some form
of anxiety and panic attacks, and at first her obsession
was getting kidnapped or dying, and then when she was fifteen,
it shifted to these pedophilic thoughts, and then she sees
this TikTok at nineteen, but she still doesn't get the
formal diagnosis for years after that, like she was going
(29:42):
to therapy but not being honest with them about the
thoughts and then finally when she did and suggested this
based on this TikTok, she saw she got the diagnosis.
But like my argument is is like it is like
I don't even think I could get this out correctly.
What is the differen diference between her and another pedophile?
(30:03):
Like you're having thoughts of doing it and then one
just crosses the line to actually doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
No, it's different because from what I gathered from it,
it's like you're having these intrusive thoughts that keep coming
up because your mind keeps going on repeat, even though
you don't want to keep thinking about it, Like that's
the thing. You don't want to be thinking about it,
and those thoughts do not align with your moral values,
whereas with a pedophile, like it's a sexual deviant behavior
(30:32):
that they want.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, I don't know if that's true necessarily, because I
feel like we've covered pedophilia cases in the past where
they're like, I don't want to be like this, but
I can't help it, and they just do it. Like
I think that most pedophiles are able to identify the
thoughts and behavior and also identified to some extent that
it is wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
She's yeah, but she doesn't like just but she doesn't
want it, though I understand, like they they think, they
might think it's wrong, but they still want it. Like
she doesn't want it.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Yeah, I get that, but I'm saying in some pedophile
cases we have covered, they too say they don't want it,
but they couldn't override the part of their brain that
made them act on it. But they don't want to
be like that, but they can't help but do it.
So I guess I'm just confused. Like personally, I think
this whole story. If this was me, I'd keep it
to my fucking self, like I would never go to
(31:30):
the press and talk about this. And she's trying to
get the stigma away with it because I guess this
affects a lot of people, and I'm trying to understand that. Well.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
She's saying that people are reaching out to her, saying like, yeah,
I think about like bludgeoning my children to death all
the time, and I have obsessive thoughts about it. I'm
just like, okay, like exactly people are gonna start. I mean,
this is the thing though, Like, and this is where
I kind of don't always think that they're is a
(32:00):
great idea because like therapy is good if you go
to the therapist and you're honest with them one hundred percent,
but like a lot of people aren't, and mostly like
I'm sure if you did a surgery a survey, like
a lot of people don't say a lot of things
that are going on in their life. Oh absolutely so,
(32:21):
So there's like a limitation to that. And I guess
she's trying to say, I was holding this in because like,
you're not gonna go to a therapist and talk about
your anxiety and they're gonna say, well, what are you
anxious about? And you're not gonna say, like, oh, I
want to cut heads off of children, Like you you're
scared to say that out loud because you think you're
gonna go get committed somewhere, Like people are scared to
say that out loud, And she's just trying to be like,
(32:45):
I kept it in all this time, and then it's
actually a thing, And if I would have said something
out loud, I might have got identified earlier, and then
we could have got to the root of the problem.
So I do like when it's described to me as
it was in this way, and when I read about
it through medical like legitimate medical websites and stuff. I
(33:06):
do think that there's a difference between the thoughts, the
obsessive thoughts of like something like OCD is a problem.
You don't have it, so maybe you don't really realize
how it is, but it's like a thought pops in
your head and you just like can't make those thoughts
go away, and you you know, I understand.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I understand that I'm saying, though Like, let's say in
the future, somebody does commit a pedophilic act on a
child and then they're like, well, I have this condition,
Like is this a defense?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
No, because you're not. You're not acting on it. You're
just thinking about it, Like you wouldn't act on it
unless you wanted to do it.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But what if the thoughts are so intrusive that your
brain thinks you have to act on it, Like this
is what I'm saying, Like I feel like at some
point you could cross the threshold of actually doing it
because the thoughts are so intrusive in your brain. I
understand they're trying to say, like the difference between this
and being a pedophile is like wanting to do it
(34:03):
versus not. But I just think that's a really fine
line or people could be using this as an excuse
in the future. I'm just having a really hard time
wrapping my brain around it, like I understand what you're
explaining to me. I'm just saying I could see this
going wrong. But if you do it, then you want
to do it, not necessarily because you guess you could
(34:26):
argue of a mental illness.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
That made then thought it. Oh yeah, but the mental
what would the mental illness be, like schizophrenia?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I don't know, Like why do other pedophiles do what
they want to do?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like because they're pedophiles. It's not to say, like that's
what I'm trying to say, like if you if you
want to do it versus not want to do it,
like you're having thoughts of things that you don't you know,
like think of it with other OCD stuff like the
washing the hand situation and all that stuff, like but
do they want to provide.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Hands or they can't? Like this is what I'm trying
to to say. In real OCD, do they want to
wash their hands forty times in a row or does
their brain make them do it and they don't even
realize they're doing it?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, your brain doesn't make you do stuff. It's you
have control over what you do, like your brain, Like
your brain's not like Nicole, go get in the car
and drive like you're the one that's doing the You're
the one that's in control of that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But the argument I'm trying to make is like, if
your OCD tells you you need to shut a door
seventeen times before you can leave the house, do you
want to shut the door seventeen times? Are you doing
it as a response to the intrusive thoughts? You're doing
it as a response, I suppose yes. So in the
pedophilia version of this, you might not want to harm
(35:49):
a child like that, but your intrusive thoughts might be
directing you in that way, is what I'm trying to say. So, like,
I just need more information this. I'm not saying she's
a predator or anything. I just think it's kind of
a wild thing to come out with and your faces
all over people magazine talking about this condition.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think the picture's funnier because she's wearing like this
soft pink sweater and she's like this young pretty girl
that's just smiling, and you're just like I think it's
good awareness because people don't a lot of times when
people think about OCD, it's just like they just think
about the classic things that you think of of, like
(36:34):
like you just said with the door handle and stuff,
and it's not just that, it's just like repeated intrusive
thoughts like that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, I don't know, like I just I just think
it's out right just the story that's even been published
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