May 19, 2026 • 35 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by Nathan Mitchell, best known for his role as Black Noir on The Boys and Zion on Ginny & Georgia. This conversation is spoiler-free, and a huge celebration of The Boys as we near the series finale dropping tomorrow. Nathan opens up about stepping into the physically demanding and largely silent role of Black Noir, and how he embraced the challenge of building a character through movement rather than dialogue. He reflects on learning early on that the character would remain masked and voiceless, and how that limitation ultimately became a creative strength. As The Boys heads into its final episode, Nathan shares what it’s been like to say goodbye to the role, the emotional weight of filming major moments, and how he approached evolving from the original Noir into a completely new version of the character.
The conversation also dives into the behind-the-scenes realities of the show, from intense stunt work and navigating the iconic suit to the shocking moment he learned of Noir’s fate and unexpected return. Nathan teases what fans can expect from the final episode while also sharing his own ideas for a potential spinoff. Beyond The Boys, he teases the upcoming season of Ginny & Georgia, shares fan reactions to his character Zion, and how he balances multiple roles across very different worlds.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy di Dario. I have to be honest, man, I'm
a little bit bummed out. I'm a little bit of
grief today because the series finale of The Boys, which
is one of my favorite shows, east tomorrow. That's it,
the show's ending. No more the Boys, and man, I'm
(00:21):
gonna miss watching a group of crazy vigilantes fighting these
superpowered individuals who I mean abuse their power. We can't
leave that out because man, it's been such an entertaining show.
What a wild journey this show has been. I have
seen things in the show that I've never seen anywhere
in television before, things that you can never forget. So
to pay my respect to the Boys, my guest today
(00:43):
is the brilliant Nathan Mitchell aka Black Noir, and we're
gonna dive into the world of the Boys, and man,
is there a lot to cover. So let's see if
today we can get Nathan to say something that he
has never said before. Nathan Mitchell, how are you, my man?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Good? I'm good. How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm doing good. It has been a whirlwind for you, huh.
It's been a little crazy, Yeah, crazy little You're only
one of the hottest shows in the world right.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now, very lucky to be on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I'm happy to have you here. I'm happy
to report that. You know, there's this online thing going
around with all the Jenny and Georgia fans saying that
you look too good to be real. So I'm happy
to report you are real.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm a human.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You are here. Yes, you've seen those those tweets?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I yeah, I have. It's funny, you know, I think,
you know, I think there's like a setting on the TV,
like new TVs now, where it's supposed to look like
it's supposed to enhance the way sports look, you know,
like like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Vivid mode or something exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, you know, but I was watching One Tree Hill
one day and I was like, I was watching the
the actors move and I was like, this isn't how
it used to look. There's something off about this. And
I went to my TV and I checked the settings
and it was just a different setting. And so my
theory is like there's something about that that like highlights
(02:09):
with me or something I don't know, and people just
ran with it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean, that's a very humble answer. Yeah, it's very humble,
but maybe you should just be like I mean, I
look good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hey, if someone else says it, I'll tell you it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Go right, I'm your hype man. I'm your hype man. Well,
like I said, what a year? What a time? Right
now in your life?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It is?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
The Boy is the final season. Man, you joined the
show what eight years ago? It's been eight years of
your life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it has been twenty. I got the audition for
Black Noir December of twenty seventeen. Oh my god. And
I think I sent my tape in around the twenty
seventh and I heard background like the third, second, third,
you know, And since then it's been one of the
(02:55):
central pillars of my life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Man, the finale's airing tomorrow. How are you feeling? How
you hold enough? Knowing this is it?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, I feel really good when people don't ask
me that question. You know. It's this mix of nostalgia
and gratefulness and joy, but also sadness, you know, because
this thing that's been so special, these people you know,
who I've gotten to work with, you know, over these
eight years, We're not going to be in each other's
(03:23):
lives in the same way, you know, we'll still be friends,
we'll still be family. But you know, there is something
special about going to work with these people and telling
a story you really believe in. You know that that
is so creatively fulfilling, you know, and all good things
have to come to an end, but it doesn't make
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it anything less sad.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Have you had time to kind of grieve the loss
of the role you're not even going there yet, No.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Not, I have. I have, And I think it was
most poignant around the end of end of the season,
you know, because what's interesting thing is that you know,
you film for seven months and then you have this
like hiatus which is usually like a year long. So
we're used to having periods without the show, you know,
(04:12):
in our lives, and so there's a way in which
when it was rapping, we're like, oh, yeah, this is
this is how it always feels. But we also knew
it was like this is actually not what it's going
to be like. You know, it's like we're we're finishing,
you know. So there are these like emotions and feelings
that felt like they were like percolating above my shoulders
that I just like wasn't ready to feel. And as
(04:33):
time has going on. I've felt them slowly, so it's
been it's been all right.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been a big part of your life. Of
course they're going to feel things right, and it's I'm
sure you've changed a lot throughout the course of those
eight nine, ten years. What are you going to miss
the most?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh god, you know, I'm gonna say a few things.
A just you know, I'm gonna miss just all of
us going out in Toronto. Yeah, you know, like we yeah,
it's like we're filming and then on the weekend, we'll
we'll go to a restaurant, we'll go to a bar.
You know, during COVID when we had our bubble, we'd
like go over to someone's house every weekend. We'd like
(05:11):
play games, you know, we just have our own parties
and and like it was just a special bonding time.
M Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well you'll have hopefully those friendships forever.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yes, yes, yeah, that's the beautiful thing. That's that's a
good part. Yeah, it just takes a different form now yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, Hey, that's life. It's a cycle of life. Yeah,
do you and I don't know if you can speak
on it, because maybe it was something that's airing tomorrow,
but do you remember the final scene you shot?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I do, actually, and the final scene the final shot
two scenes. The first one that was officially in the
show was actually episode four because we shot out of orders,
so we shot one, two, three, six, five four. Oh
so my scene with the Deep, you know, in the
in the man handled space, was the last scene in
(06:03):
the show that I filmed. And then we came back
and we did that podcast like online episode like a
couple about a month later, you know, so that was
still in universe, but it wasn't like a part of
the show. So yeah, those weren't you know, they were like,
you know, the one with the Deep, there's feeling some emotions,
(06:23):
but it wasn't like super cathartic in that way.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But yeah, that's a while.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's all out of order, I know, I know, it's like, wow,
my arc reversed.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, man, I mean with a character,
so obviously you play black Noir and we'll call them
black Noir or two point zero. Yeah, right, And so
how has it been playing him from day one to
now and the whole evolvement of that character.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Wow, it's been a trip. Like when I first got
the role, like one of the first things that I
was told is that this character will never, never, never
speak and you'll never see his face no way. And
so I was like, okay, you know, and I embraced it,
you know, and I just jumped into that wholeheartedly, because
for me, the biggest thing is like can I express myself?
Can I tell a story through this suit, through this mask?
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And as long as I could do that, I was happy,
you know. And so you know, you there's in season
one especially, there's this journey and exploration of like how
does this character move? How do little moments show up?
Because we wear muscle suits and there's such a resistance
(07:33):
in the suit that like, if I do this in
real life, I might put that same amount of effort in,
but only go up to here with the suit right,
And you have to learn to calibrate it. And it
felt like I was in this big black room moving around,
but I couldn't see what I was doing, you know,
so I really didn't know how it was going to
(07:54):
turn out, you know. And then you get more comfortable
as this season's go on, and you develop like a
im patical with the character and you feel more in sync,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you get
the news that you're gonna die, and that you know,
when I first heard it, my heart dropped, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So you got the news not knowing you would be
coming back.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was told shortly after I would be coming back.
But like in that you know, that sentence, I was like, whoa,
you know, And I was talking to Eric and he said, actually,
he was like, good news, bad news. Bad news is
you're gonna die. The good news is you're still gonna
be on the show, you know. And he said, you're
gonna be here no matter what. Season four, we're gonna
(08:38):
bring you back. But you're either going to show your
face as the original Black Noir or you can choose to,
if you like, be the new Noir. Right. And initially
I wanted to go down with the character, you know,
because you spend so much time on the journey with
this guy, and you commit your heart to this character
and you want to see it through, you know. But
(09:00):
also the smarter thing is to you know, give yourself
more opportunity, you know, And and it was a really
interesting the direction they wanted to take the character in. Yeah,
And so after a day or two of morning, I
was like Okay, I will be New Noir, you know,
And and then it was this this meta thing of
(09:22):
like but I jumped into the role, I was like, Okay,
how do they want me to play this? Like? What
is his direction? What does he want? Like I was
asking those questions of myself, so for them for New
Noir to like grapple with those things. It's like I'd
been like prepping for the role before I got this
(09:42):
new version of it.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And Eric left it up to you to decide if
you wanted to be the original who came back or
a new character, like that was your decision. Yeah, I
mean that could be a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It could be, it could be you know, and it
it was, it was It didn't feel like pressure. Just
felt like a dilemma. It's like do you see the
full story through or do you give yourself more opportunity
to create because that it would have been great, But
it's more of a one and done thing.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Right right, right, Because the first version of your character
was truly like this trained superhero assassin. Yeah, and now
you're playing someone would you say, who's kind of just
trying to figure it out? Like playing the part.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, like a very committed actor who's looking for direction. Yeah,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, he still kicks ass though a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He tries. He does, not not as much as the
first one, but he.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But episode one of the new season, you and Starlight,
I mean you you tried, you gave a good fight.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I did, I did. Og Noir would have like, well,
Starlight would, I had no chance came over. Yeah, but
he's he's like taking baby steps.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
He's you know, he was.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Taking baby steps. We could say, yeah, you know he
is Noir, was this o G Noir, was this super
efficient soup, just like you know, cutting everybody up and
New Noirs. He's more just the guy that kind of
gets thrown into everything and is just trying to find
(11:09):
his way.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So what are the challenges of building a character who
really relies on physicality? Is pretty much I mean, now
we're seeing you speak, of course, and you're a mass,
but you really have to lean into the physical side
of building out a character.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I think the challenges as an actor you're so
used to working with words, right, Like, how we understand
characters is through their dialogue. You know, it's ultimately it's
their actions, but we get there through the dialogue and
so when you strip all that away, you have to
get down to the root of like, Okay, what does
this person want? What actions can they take to get
(11:45):
what they want? How does what they want show up
in how they express themselves? What are they thinking? You know?
Eventually I got to the point where I'm like, okay,
I would give him lines in the scene, the things
he would say if he could, and then I was like, okay,
how can I show this through my body? And it
was really subtle, and you know, we didn't use all
(12:08):
of it, because you know, part of Noir is like
the less you move, the more important. All those moments
are when he does have a shift or chilt his head.
But it gave it a life and a poignancy because
there was something going on underneath. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, well, doing all that, you became a fan favorite
on the show, So you're doing something right. I mean,
did that surprise you that people responded in such a
big way to this character?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah? I didn't. I didn't expect it, you know, and
it was a really it's really heartwarming, and like, you know,
I appreciate it a lot. You know, I think as
an actor, you you you want your work to be appreciated.
You want your work to affect people, to mean something, right,
you know, and so to get, you know, a role
on the show where there's so much else going on
(12:55):
and you're you're this piece of it and still have
people like see it and recognize it and appreciate it
like it's a it's a special feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, it's It's become a powerful and
important role in the whole series, this show. I mean,
I can think of so many shocking and crazy and
yeah dark and dramatic and insane moments. Does one stand
out for you?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Ooh man, there are so many. Number one, when Noir
gets gutted like like that, like it genuinely felt like
someone was dying that day, like in the atmosphere like
it it was. It was like a heavy air when
I went on to set. But there there are so many,
Like when Huey blows up translucent in the beginning, Like
(13:43):
I think that, like you have the moment with Robin,
but there's something about like him making that choice and
just like the guts and the blood just getting all
over him, you know, I think, And that was one
of the one of the key jumping off moments of
the show for me because he at that point he
was in the world, but he's was then committing to
(14:04):
being a part of the chaos, you know. And I
think because of that intention and the no going back
ramifications of it, I think that's one that really sticks
out to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot you must have a
strong stomach of some of the stuff you dealt with
on that set.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know. But it's like you're when you're when you're
behind the scenes, it's like you're in the kitchen and
you're like, that's just that's just a fake arm. That's
just a bunch of red sugar, you know, like liquid sugar,
like you know, sweet doesn't make any sense with blood.
The blood is like it's not real blood, you know.
(14:45):
And so I love actually watching the show with my
friends because then I can see it through their eyes,
and it feels more real to me because I've seen
behind the scenes, and like when people are like on set,
they're like, we're you know, we're trying to construct this
gigantic penis, you know what, you want to get it
just right, the urethra, you know, so when you're walking through,
(15:06):
like the walls feel like they would feel if you're
really inside a penis, like, you know, and when people
are talking about that, like you know, every week, right,
eventually you're like, you know, you know, it doesn't feel
as real, you know, to you in the in the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, there's plenty of scenes I've watched being.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Like, oh God, like, yeah, I don't know I can
watch that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But it's amazing. It's brilliant, and it's a show that
says something. It says a lot of things. I mean,
it's it's really crazy how you guys film so far
ahead and then the real world seems to somehow be
actually mimicking the show. Yeah, even though you shot it
a year ago or a year and a half ago. Right,
it's so crazy. Do you love being a part of
(15:55):
a show that says something?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Absolutely? Like That's one of the reasons that I wanted
to be an actor, you know. I wanted to make
art that affects people, you know, you know, I think
even when you go back to like theater in the
beginning with the Greeks, you know, it was a place
where the playwrights of that time, the plays, the substance.
(16:21):
The substance of the plays were the events that were
taking place, you know, and there are commentaries on society,
you know, on culture, on politics, you know, And it's
always been a place where people have taken what they've
seen from the outside, they've remixed it and put it
(16:44):
into their own form, and they've regurgitated it outwards, you know,
for people to consume, you know. And I think that's
a process that is kind of eternal, you know, in
terms of art. And I was gonna say something else
to what you brought up there, but yeah, I think,
(17:08):
you know, part of the reason we make artists to
say something, whether it's about our internal state, whether it's
about how we see the world, how we want it
to change, you know. And you know, to do something
so irreverent and so daring and bold with the platform
(17:32):
we have is a special thing that I'm always gonna cherish. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, you seem to have a lot of gratitude for it. Yeah,
that's a cool thing.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's special. Like I love superheroes, like I love acting,
Like you know, this this is my my dream project
to be a part of. You know, Like if I
if my sixteen year old self knew I was doing
this with my eight year old self, now I was
doing this like we'd all be high five and right now,
you know, and and yeah, and so to the moment
(18:05):
where I can remember that is it just expands how
special it is that finale.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Man it airs tomorrow. Oh yeah, do you think we
will be satisfied after watching it?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I think so. I think so, yeah, when I've watched
it and I was like, oh yeah, I feel good
about it. You're yeah, I am happy with how it ends.
I think it's I think it ends in a very
fitting way, you know. And I wish I could say more,
but but I think I think it's right.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
What I would love to see is if your two
point zero version ends up somehow saving the day. I
mean that that would be pretty It would be great, right,
It would have.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Been great, you know. I think, uh yeah, I think
I think n Noir would relish being a true hero,
you know. I think he's someone who who deals with
the cars he's dealt, you know, and and really I
think he's kind of a metaphor for you know, that
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every man and how we can contribute to you know,
movements or you know, just let's just say, movements much
larger than ourselves, for good or for ill, without having
any specific intention ourselves. You know, if he was on
the Boy's side, he would do it, you know, he
(19:28):
but he just happens to be with the Seven and
the job happens to entail killing people, you know, and
so he's like, I gotta I gotta do what I
gotta do, you know. And in that way, he's kind
of a stormtrooper to me. You know, he's a part
of the empire. He doesn't have to be individually evil
or super evil, but he is contributing to a destructive force.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right right. And there's still so much I want to
know about version one end version two. I think they're
both so interesting and and there's a lot were to
be learned. I mean, if you were offered a spin off,
which version would you want to play?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Ooh, so this is the thing. I would want a
spinoff that incorporates both of them. Okay, you're like, how
does that work? So this is what I'm thinking. Right,
So you have New Noir, like you know, present day ish,
and he's just kind of chilling doing his own thing,
figuring out the character, and then all of a sudden,
(20:26):
like this enemy shows up, someone's trying to kill him,
and he has to adjust and figure that out, and
then he realizes it's one of the original Black Noir's
old enemies, like a nemesis, you could say, maybe it's
White Blanc, right, And to deal with these people who
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are coming at him, he has to dive deep and
understand Noir's backstory. He has to understand the history of
this character and like dig and do detective of work
and like piece together his life so he could figure
out why these people have an issue with him and
how he can solve these problems, right and so and
so doing you get New Noir, right, and you get
(21:12):
these flashbacks or these scenes with old Noir where you're
seeing his backstory, in his life and all the things
that led the secret life of Black Noir, you can say, right,
and so you get the two and one, And that's
that's what I would love to do.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So you've clearly given no thought to us, none, none
at all, no thought, no no, no. That would be epic. Hey,
you never know, you never know that universe what can happen?
And I also like that you popped into gen v too.
What was it like joining that show after you're so
used to the culture of the set of the boys,
and then stepping into you know, other superheroes territory. Is
(21:48):
it a different feeling it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Was, you know, I was only on for a couple
of days. Yeah, but it was. It was amazing, you know,
like they did such a great job at that show,
and it was me. I was working with Sean Patrick
Thomas and which was he was He was awesome. So
we had our scene and then and then Susan was
(22:11):
was in with us. So it was kind of like
I didn't get to like be with the main cast
the gen V but like the group of students you
could say, uh, but it was. It was fun. It
was it was a great scene and and like would
have loved to do more of it. But but I
honestly that that Noir scene is one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah. Yeah again, you know when the writers are the
boys right for me, I'm just like you guys really
plugged into what I would say, It just feels it
just feels very truthful, very connected to who I am
as a person, and it makes it much more fun
and and the joy to play.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Dude, I'm so bombed that it got canceled.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, it was so good. It was so good and
they all did such amazing work, just such phenomenal actors
and just great people, you know, but I'm sure that
that there are more opportunities for them. Yeah, you know
down the road.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Hey, in that world. Like I said, anything can happen.
You never know, anything can happen, Anything can happen. You're
very into astrology, right I am. So does that influence
how you operate as a human and or as an
actor and your performances and what you find I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What's interesting, is like like, yes, yes, I don't. I'm
not like thinking in the back of my mind like
astrology you know, all day or anything like that. But
it does influence how I look at things, the contexts
that put things in, you know. One simple way of
(23:50):
looking at it. It's like I look at it as
kind of like a cosmic weather report or an energetic
weather report. You know. So it could be sunny, it
could be raining, it could be when it could be snowing.
That doesn't change what you decide to do. You can
go sunbathed on any day. You can go sailing on
(24:11):
a windy day. Right. It might be a little more challenging,
but you can still do it. You can still power through.
You can still if you have a goal you have
to accomplish, you can still do that right now. Sometimes
it's easier to sunbathe when it's sunny, you know. Sometimes
it's easier to snowboard when it's snowing. Right. But there
are a couple, you know, phrases that I like to
(24:33):
go back to, Like one is like the stars inclined,
they do not compel. You know, there's some type of
influence you can feel, but there's still you know, we
as individuals still have free will, We still make our choices.
You know. It is part of the reason you can't really,
you know, measure astrology in a scientific way is because
(24:54):
there is to me a dimension of human choice and
awareness and conscience business that influences how things play out,
you know, and in that way it isn't an objective. Yes, no,
you can measure this thing. But there is something that
I've experienced to be true in that practice, you know,
(25:16):
over time. And you know, what I found, which is interesting,
is like if you look at someone's chart, you know,
over the court or an actor's chart, it's like, over
the course of their life, you might see themes in
their chart that are represented in the roles they play.
(25:37):
You know, like if you take you know, Black Noir,
for example, I have a bunch of Scorpio planets in
my chart. I have a Venus and Scorpio. I got
a moon in Scorpio along with Pluto. And Black Noir
is a very scorpionic character. You know, if you look
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at also have Sagittarius, right, I'm a Sagittaria's son, Sagittarius,
Mercury and all of those planets except for Mercury are
in the fifth house for me, right, you you look
at Noir as a fifth house Scorpio, and Noir is
very childlike right in the fifth house. Is it does
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have a correlation with childhood, with creativity, with expression. But
this this innocence in this play and the youthful side
of Noir, you know, you could connect some dots there, right, uh.
And then if you take the Sagittaria's side, you know,
Zion engenin and Georgia is a wandering, traveling photographer. It's
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all there, you know, And and I could go deeper
into detail, but like there are themes that you can
kind of like pick out, you know, And so I
I do find that there's a resonance.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That was pretty cool. I'll tell you I had my
first ever reading with an astrologer a year ago.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It was the beginning of the year, and I didn't
really know what to expect. I always have been interested
in it and everything that was said to me during
that hour long session, I saw kind of coming to
fruition throughout the year, depending on the time of year,
and it was just fascinating. So I really did a
deep dive. I'm getting more into it, so I think
that's really cool and really interesting. So I had to
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bring that up. Yeah, you brought up Geny and Georgia. Yeah,
are you wrapped on the next season?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We were wrapped on season four, okay, Yeah, so we'll
see what happens after that. I don't know, but yeah,
we finished that at the end of at the beginning
of March.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Is that coming out this year?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I have not gotten an official release date yet, but
you know, usually taken around a year from between when
we filmed to when and finished filming to when we
come back. I don't know, actually, Okay, but I think
it's safe to say we'll see it by this time
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next year. I don't know when it's gonna come out,
but like, we'll see it.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
How do you think we'll react to it? Is it
a good season?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Are gonna like it? Okay? Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, you've become a fan favorite in that too.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I had, you know, I it's been interesting. You know,
you have this journey of like, you know, I think
Zion played a bit of a bad guy in season
three or you know, a little bit of an antagonist,
you know, and so you can see the kind of
ups and downs in terms of how his character is perceived.
But yeah, the fans have been great, and they've been
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so supportive and so loving and appreciative. And it's funny
because when season three aired, like you know, a lot
of people were mad at Zion, and I get it.
I get it, but I didn't expect people to still
like be like oh hey Zion on the street and
like be happy about it. I was like, Okay, cool,
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it hasn't it hasn't. It hasn't like carried over that far.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, you work dodge and punches.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, no, no, I did. I did have someone on
on uh what used to be Twitter say recently like
if Georgia comes for you. I got her back, and
I'm like, wow, good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
To know you don't want to mess with that kind
of person.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Nope, Nope, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'm more excited for that season two and can't wait
for that one to come out. The name of the
show is called I've never said this before Born, because
I cover a lot of red carpets and another job
I work on a show called Extra and junkets and
sit downs, and they're so quick. I mean, you get
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two three minutes with someone. I feel like it's a
lot of the same questions because every outlet wants to
put the bite and you know it's by the time
you start, you're done. And I just kind of walked
away being like, man, So this is why I got
in this, like I got in this for real conversation.
I love arts, I love entertainment. I'm a student of
the theater like I love it all. So I wanted
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to bring people on and give them an opportunity to
say something meaningful to them. So we say, you know,
what is one thing you've never said before? But it
just means what is something you don't get a chance
to say off in that you want to say?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's deep you know, I think I'm just gonna say something.
Let it go where it goes. But I think, you know,
I think with art making artists half of the process,
the interpretation and the experience of it is the second half,
you know. And so it's like the audience is an
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active participant in whatever art they're consuming. And I think
there's something really special that like kind of connects the
artists and the audience in that way. You know. It's
like I can perform to an empty room no one,
no one's receiving that, but when someone receives it, the
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process that goes on inside their mind, inside their heart,
you know, how that affects them. You know, that's part
of the artistic process. You know, it goes from me
or from us out to them, you know. And I
think that's I I read that. I think in the
high school. I was like reading this book we were
signed with this essay, and and it it really stuck
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with me. You know. Another thing that stuck with me,
which is slightly unrelated, but I've been doing like reading
into dimensional science, hm and like you know, like the
third dimension and the fourth dimension and everything like that,
and it's this really cool concept that like in the
fourth dimension, everything that has happened or will happen is
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happening right now, you know. And like time, like time
exists simultaneously, you know, and like we as human beings,
as any being, it's like every moment of our existence,
every form of us, is existing at the same time,
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you know. And so I don't really know how that works,
but like maybe like you have the ability to go,
like to direct your consciousness to like whatever age or
time you want it to be at. And it's just
a really interesting concept that, like when you think about
the way a say, like someone like a two dimensional
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object or being of things, it couldn't perceive all of
this three dimensions. It's like we there's a dimension that
we can't perceive or even more than that, you know.
And I don't know what that says about life for
the universe. Some people are like, oh, does that mean
there's no free will? But I don't think so. I
think everything that's happening or happened happened because of the
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people that are doing those things. You know. It's like
just because we're you know, just because this circle is
already established, doesn't mean that we haven't influenced the path
that it has taken, you know. Yeah, as they would say,
Billy pro Billy Pilgrim was backwards in time. You know. Yeah,
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those are two Those are two thoughts.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Thoughts very different. Give us good insight into your mind.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, you know. I like to like expand it. I
like to challenge myself and be like, Okay, what haven't
I thought of? Like how can I keep growing? How
can I keep learning? You know? And that's that's a
mind bending topic that has got my got my attention.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
We could do a whole other episode on We could
do a podcast part too.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I love that and I love this conversation, and I'm
psyched for you with with everything going on, and you know,
I know it's a sad time to be saying goodbye
to a show you love. But what an accomplishment and
what a what a piece of the puzzle that makes
up who you are, your history or legacy that will
forever be there in the world. So congratulations to you.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
The finale airs tomorrow, and you said we'll be happy,
So if not, I'm gonna come for you, fhunt you down,
all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'll give you some of Noir's knives. So you can
hold me to that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
There we go, Thank you, my man. Congrats on everything.
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Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy di Dario. I have to be honest, man, I'm
a little bit bummed out. I'm a little bit of
grief today because the series finale of The Boys, which
is one of my favorite shows, east tomorrow. That's it,
the show's ending. No more the Boys, and man, I'm
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gonna miss watching a group of crazy vigilantes fighting these
superpowered individuals who I mean abuse their power. We can't
leave that out because man, it's been such an entertaining show.
What a wild journey this show has been. I have
seen things in the show that I've never seen anywhere
in television before, things that you can never forget. So
to pay my respect to the Boys, my guest today
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is the brilliant Nathan Mitchell aka Black Noir, and we're
gonna dive into the world of the Boys, and man,
is there a lot to cover. So let's see if
today we can get Nathan to say something that he
has never said before. Nathan Mitchell, how are you, my man?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Good? I'm good. How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm doing good. It has been a whirlwind for you, huh.
It's been a little crazy, Yeah, crazy little You're only
one of the hottest shows in the world right.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now, very lucky to be on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, well, I'm happy to have you here. I'm happy
to report that. You know, there's this online thing going
around with all the Jenny and Georgia fans saying that
you look too good to be real. So I'm happy
to report you are real.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I'm a human.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
You are here. Yes, you've seen those those tweets?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I yeah, I have. It's funny, you know, I think,
you know, I think there's like a setting on the TV,
like new TVs now, where it's supposed to look like
it's supposed to enhance the way sports look, you know,
like like.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Vivid mode or something exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, you know, but I was watching One Tree Hill
one day and I was like, I was watching the
the actors move and I was like, this isn't how
it used to look. There's something off about this. And
I went to my TV and I checked the settings
and it was just a different setting. And so my
theory is like there's something about that that like highlights
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with me or something I don't know, and people just
ran with it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean, that's a very humble answer. Yeah, it's very humble,
but maybe you should just be like I mean, I
look good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hey, if someone else says it, I'll tell you it.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Go right, I'm your hype man. I'm your hype man. Well,
like I said, what a year? What a time? Right
now in your life?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It is?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
The Boy is the final season. Man, you joined the
show what eight years ago? It's been eight years of
your life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it has been twenty. I got the audition for
Black Noir December of twenty seventeen. Oh my god. And
I think I sent my tape in around the twenty
seventh and I heard background like the third, second, third,
you know, And since then it's been one of the
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central pillars of my life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Man, the finale's airing tomorrow. How are you feeling? How
you hold enough? Knowing this is it?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, I feel really good when people don't ask
me that question. You know. It's this mix of nostalgia
and gratefulness and joy, but also sadness, you know, because
this thing that's been so special, these people you know,
who I've gotten to work with, you know, over these
eight years, We're not going to be in each other's
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lives in the same way, you know, we'll still be friends,
we'll still be family. But you know, there is something
special about going to work with these people and telling
a story you really believe in. You know that that
is so creatively fulfilling, you know, and all good things
have to come to an end, but it doesn't make
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it anything less sad.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Have you had time to kind of grieve the loss
of the role you're not even going there yet, No.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Not, I have. I have, And I think it was
most poignant around the end of end of the season,
you know, because what's interesting thing is that you know,
you film for seven months and then you have this
like hiatus which is usually like a year long. So
we're used to having periods without the show, you know,
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in our lives, and so there's a way in which
when it was rapping, we're like, oh, yeah, this is
this is how it always feels. But we also knew
it was like this is actually not what it's going
to be like. You know, it's like we're we're finishing,
you know. So there are these like emotions and feelings
that felt like they were like percolating above my shoulders
that I just like wasn't ready to feel. And as
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time has going on. I've felt them slowly, so it's
been it's been all right.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, it's been a big part of your life. Of
course they're going to feel things right, and it's I'm
sure you've changed a lot throughout the course of those
eight nine, ten years. What are you going to miss
the most?
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh god, you know, I'm gonna say a few things.
A just you know, I'm gonna miss just all of
us going out in Toronto. Yeah, you know, like we yeah,
it's like we're filming and then on the weekend, we'll
we'll go to a restaurant, we'll go to a bar.
You know, during COVID when we had our bubble, we'd
like go over to someone's house every weekend. We'd like
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play games, you know, we just have our own parties
and and like it was just a special bonding time.
M Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well you'll have hopefully those friendships forever.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yes, yes, yeah, that's the beautiful thing. That's that's a
good part. Yeah, it just takes a different form now yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, Hey, that's life. It's a cycle of life. Yeah,
do you and I don't know if you can speak
on it, because maybe it was something that's airing tomorrow,
but do you remember the final scene you shot?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I do, actually, and the final scene the final shot
two scenes. The first one that was officially in the
show was actually episode four because we shot out of orders,
so we shot one, two, three, six, five four. Oh
so my scene with the Deep, you know, in the
in the man handled space, was the last scene in
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the show that I filmed. And then we came back
and we did that podcast like online episode like a
couple about a month later, you know, so that was
still in universe, but it wasn't like a part of
the show. So yeah, those weren't you know, they were like,
you know, the one with the Deep, there's feeling some emotions,
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but it wasn't like super cathartic in that way.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
But yeah, that's a while.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's all out of order, I know, I know, it's like, wow,
my arc reversed.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, man, I mean with a character,
so obviously you play black Noir and we'll call them
black Noir or two point zero. Yeah, right, And so
how has it been playing him from day one to
now and the whole evolvement of that character.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Wow, it's been a trip. Like when I first got
the role, like one of the first things that I
was told is that this character will never, never, never
speak and you'll never see his face no way. And
so I was like, okay, you know, and I embraced it,
you know, and I just jumped into that wholeheartedly, because
for me, the biggest thing is like can I express myself?
Can I tell a story through this suit, through this mask?
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And as long as I could do that, I was happy,
you know. And so you know, you there's in season
one especially, there's this journey and exploration of like how
does this character move? How do little moments show up?
Because we wear muscle suits and there's such a resistance
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in the suit that like, if I do this in
real life, I might put that same amount of effort in,
but only go up to here with the suit right,
And you have to learn to calibrate it. And it
felt like I was in this big black room moving around,
but I couldn't see what I was doing, you know,
so I really didn't know how it was going to
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turn out, you know. And then you get more comfortable
as this season's go on, and you develop like a
im patical with the character and you feel more in sync,
and then all of a sudden, you know, you get
the news that you're gonna die, and that you know,
when I first heard it, my heart dropped, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So you got the news not knowing you would be
coming back.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I was told shortly after I would be coming back.
But like in that you know, that sentence, I was like, whoa,
you know, And I was talking to Eric and he said, actually,
he was like, good news, bad news. Bad news is
you're gonna die. The good news is you're still gonna
be on the show, you know. And he said, you're
gonna be here no matter what. Season four, we're gonna
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bring you back. But you're either going to show your
face as the original Black Noir or you can choose to,
if you like, be the new Noir. Right. And initially
I wanted to go down with the character, you know,
because you spend so much time on the journey with
this guy, and you commit your heart to this character
and you want to see it through, you know. But
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also the smarter thing is to you know, give yourself
more opportunity, you know, And and it was a really
interesting the direction they wanted to take the character in. Yeah,
And so after a day or two of morning, I
was like Okay, I will be New Noir, you know,
And and then it was this this meta thing of
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like but I jumped into the role, I was like, Okay,
how do they want me to play this? Like? What
is his direction? What does he want? Like I was
asking those questions of myself, so for them for New
Noir to like grapple with those things. It's like I'd
been like prepping for the role before I got this
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new version of it.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And Eric left it up to you to decide if
you wanted to be the original who came back or
a new character, like that was your decision. Yeah, I
mean that could be a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It could be, it could be you know, and it
it was, it was It didn't feel like pressure. Just
felt like a dilemma. It's like do you see the
full story through or do you give yourself more opportunity
to create because that it would have been great, But
it's more of a one and done thing.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Right right, right, Because the first version of your character
was truly like this trained superhero assassin. Yeah, and now
you're playing someone would you say, who's kind of just
trying to figure it out? Like playing the part.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, like a very committed actor who's looking for direction. Yeah,
you know, and.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, he still kicks ass though a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He tries. He does, not not as much as the
first one, but he.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
But episode one of the new season, you and Starlight,
I mean you you tried, you gave a good fight.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I did, I did. Og Noir would have like, well,
Starlight would, I had no chance came over. Yeah, but
he's he's like taking baby steps.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
He's you know, he was.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Taking baby steps. We could say, yeah, you know he
is Noir, was this o G Noir, was this super
efficient soup, just like you know, cutting everybody up and
New Noirs. He's more just the guy that kind of
gets thrown into everything and is just trying to find
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his way.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So what are the challenges of building a character who
really relies on physicality? Is pretty much I mean, now
we're seeing you speak, of course, and you're a mass,
but you really have to lean into the physical side
of building out a character.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I think the challenges as an actor you're so
used to working with words, right, Like, how we understand
characters is through their dialogue. You know, it's ultimately it's
their actions, but we get there through the dialogue and
so when you strip all that away, you have to
get down to the root of like, Okay, what does
this person want? What actions can they take to get
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what they want? How does what they want show up
in how they express themselves? What are they thinking? You know?
Eventually I got to the point where I'm like, okay,
I would give him lines in the scene, the things
he would say if he could, and then I was like, okay,
how can I show this through my body? And it
was really subtle, and you know, we didn't use all
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of it, because you know, part of Noir is like
the less you move, the more important. All those moments
are when he does have a shift or chilt his head.
But it gave it a life and a poignancy because
there was something going on underneath. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, well, doing all that, you became a fan favorite
on the show, So you're doing something right. I mean,
did that surprise you that people responded in such a
big way to this character?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah? I didn't. I didn't expect it, you know, and
it was a really it's really heartwarming, and like, you know,
I appreciate it a lot. You know, I think as
an actor, you you you want your work to be appreciated.
You want your work to affect people, to mean something, right,
you know, and so to get, you know, a role
on the show where there's so much else going on
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and you're you're this piece of it and still have
people like see it and recognize it and appreciate it
like it's a it's a special feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, it's It's become a powerful and
important role in the whole series, this show. I mean,
I can think of so many shocking and crazy and
yeah dark and dramatic and insane moments. Does one stand
out for you?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Ooh man, there are so many. Number one, when Noir
gets gutted like like that, like it genuinely felt like
someone was dying that day, like in the atmosphere like
it it was. It was like a heavy air when
I went on to set. But there there are so many,
Like when Huey blows up translucent in the beginning, Like
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I think that, like you have the moment with Robin,
but there's something about like him making that choice and
just like the guts and the blood just getting all
over him, you know, I think, And that was one
of the one of the key jumping off moments of
the show for me because he at that point he
was in the world, but he's was then committing to
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being a part of the chaos, you know. And I
think because of that intention and the no going back
ramifications of it, I think that's one that really sticks
out to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot you must have a
strong stomach of some of the stuff you dealt with
on that set.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know. But it's like you're when you're when you're
behind the scenes, it's like you're in the kitchen and
you're like, that's just that's just a fake arm. That's
just a bunch of red sugar, you know, like liquid sugar,
like you know, sweet doesn't make any sense with blood.
The blood is like it's not real blood, you know.
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And so I love actually watching the show with my
friends because then I can see it through their eyes,
and it feels more real to me because I've seen
behind the scenes, and like when people are like on set,
they're like, we're you know, we're trying to construct this
gigantic penis, you know what, you want to get it
just right, the urethra, you know, so when you're walking through,
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like the walls feel like they would feel if you're
really inside a penis, like, you know, and when people
are talking about that, like you know, every week, right,
eventually you're like, you know, you know, it doesn't feel
as real, you know, to you in the in the moment.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, there's plenty of scenes I've watched being.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Like, oh God, like, yeah, I don't know I can
watch that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
But it's amazing. It's brilliant, and it's a show that
says something. It says a lot of things. I mean,
it's it's really crazy how you guys film so far
ahead and then the real world seems to somehow be
actually mimicking the show. Yeah, even though you shot it
a year ago or a year and a half ago. Right,
it's so crazy. Do you love being a part of
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a show that says something?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Absolutely? Like That's one of the reasons that I wanted
to be an actor, you know. I wanted to make
art that affects people, you know, you know, I think
even when you go back to like theater in the
beginning with the Greeks, you know, it was a place
where the playwrights of that time, the plays, the substance.
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The substance of the plays were the events that were
taking place, you know, and there are commentaries on society,
you know, on culture, on politics, you know, And it's
always been a place where people have taken what they've
seen from the outside, they've remixed it and put it
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into their own form, and they've regurgitated it outwards, you know,
for people to consume, you know. And I think that's
a process that is kind of eternal, you know, in
terms of art. And I was gonna say something else
to what you brought up there, but yeah, I think,
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you know, part of the reason we make artists to
say something, whether it's about our internal state, whether it's
about how we see the world, how we want it
to change, you know. And you know, to do something
so irreverent and so daring and bold with the platform
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we have is a special thing that I'm always gonna cherish. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, you seem to have a lot of gratitude for it. Yeah,
that's a cool thing.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's special. Like I love superheroes, like I love acting,
Like you know, this this is my my dream project
to be a part of. You know, Like if I
if my sixteen year old self knew I was doing
this with my eight year old self, now I was
doing this like we'd all be high five and right now,
you know, and and yeah, and so to the moment
(18:05):
where I can remember that is it just expands how
special it is that finale.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Man it airs tomorrow. Oh yeah, do you think we
will be satisfied after watching it?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I think so. I think so, yeah, when I've watched
it and I was like, oh yeah, I feel good
about it. You're yeah, I am happy with how it ends.
I think it's I think it ends in a very
fitting way, you know. And I wish I could say more,
but but I think I think it's right.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
What I would love to see is if your two
point zero version ends up somehow saving the day. I
mean that that would be pretty It would be great, right,
It would have.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Been great, you know. I think, uh yeah, I think
I think n Noir would relish being a true hero,
you know. I think he's someone who who deals with
the cars he's dealt, you know, and and really I
think he's kind of a metaphor for you know, that
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every man and how we can contribute to you know,
movements or you know, just let's just say, movements much
larger than ourselves, for good or for ill, without having
any specific intention ourselves. You know, if he was on
the Boy's side, he would do it, you know, he
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but he just happens to be with the Seven and
the job happens to entail killing people, you know, and
so he's like, I gotta I gotta do what I
gotta do, you know. And in that way, he's kind
of a stormtrooper to me. You know, he's a part
of the empire. He doesn't have to be individually evil
or super evil, but he is contributing to a destructive force.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right right. And there's still so much I want to
know about version one end version two. I think they're
both so interesting and and there's a lot were to
be learned. I mean, if you were offered a spin off,
which version would you want to play?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Ooh, so this is the thing. I would want a
spinoff that incorporates both of them. Okay, you're like, how
does that work? So this is what I'm thinking. Right,
So you have New Noir, like you know, present day ish,
and he's just kind of chilling doing his own thing,
figuring out the character, and then all of a sudden,
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like this enemy shows up, someone's trying to kill him,
and he has to adjust and figure that out, and
then he realizes it's one of the original Black Noir's
old enemies, like a nemesis, you could say, maybe it's
White Blanc, right, And to deal with these people who
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are coming at him, he has to dive deep and
understand Noir's backstory. He has to understand the history of
this character and like dig and do detective of work
and like piece together his life so he could figure
out why these people have an issue with him and
how he can solve these problems, right and so and
so doing you get New Noir, right, and you get
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these flashbacks or these scenes with old Noir where you're
seeing his backstory, in his life and all the things
that led the secret life of Black Noir, you can say, right,
and so you get the two and one, And that's
that's what I would love to do.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So you've clearly given no thought to us, none, none
at all, no thought, no no, no. That would be epic. Hey,
you never know, you never know that universe what can happen?
And I also like that you popped into gen v too.
What was it like joining that show after you're so
used to the culture of the set of the boys,
and then stepping into you know, other superheroes territory. Is
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it a different feeling it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Was, you know, I was only on for a couple
of days. Yeah, but it was. It was amazing, you know,
like they did such a great job at that show,
and it was me. I was working with Sean Patrick
Thomas and which was he was He was awesome. So
we had our scene and then and then Susan was
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was in with us. So it was kind of like
I didn't get to like be with the main cast
the gen V but like the group of students you
could say, uh, but it was. It was fun. It
was it was a great scene and and like would
have loved to do more of it. But but I
honestly that that Noir scene is one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Really.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah. Yeah again, you know when the writers are the
boys right for me, I'm just like you guys really
plugged into what I would say, It just feels it
just feels very truthful, very connected to who I am
as a person, and it makes it much more fun
and and the joy to play.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Dude, I'm so bombed that it got canceled.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, it was so good. It was so good and
they all did such amazing work, just such phenomenal actors
and just great people, you know, but I'm sure that
that there are more opportunities for them. Yeah, you know
down the road.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Hey, in that world. Like I said, anything can happen.
You never know, anything can happen, Anything can happen. You're
very into astrology, right I am. So does that influence
how you operate as a human and or as an
actor and your performances and what you find I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
What's interesting, is like like, yes, yes, I don't. I'm
not like thinking in the back of my mind like
astrology you know, all day or anything like that. But
it does influence how I look at things, the contexts
that put things in, you know. One simple way of
(23:50):
looking at it. It's like I look at it as
kind of like a cosmic weather report or an energetic
weather report. You know. So it could be sunny, it
could be raining, it could be when it could be snowing.
That doesn't change what you decide to do. You can
go sunbathed on any day. You can go sailing on
(24:11):
a windy day. Right. It might be a little more challenging,
but you can still do it. You can still power through.
You can still if you have a goal you have
to accomplish, you can still do that right now. Sometimes
it's easier to sunbathe when it's sunny, you know. Sometimes
it's easier to snowboard when it's snowing. Right. But there
are a couple, you know, phrases that I like to
(24:33):
go back to, Like one is like the stars inclined,
they do not compel. You know, there's some type of
influence you can feel, but there's still you know, we
as individuals still have free will, We still make our choices.
You know. It is part of the reason you can't really,
you know, measure astrology in a scientific way is because
(24:54):
there is to me a dimension of human choice and
awareness and conscience business that influences how things play out,
you know, and in that way it isn't an objective. Yes, no,
you can measure this thing. But there is something that
I've experienced to be true in that practice, you know,
(25:16):
over time. And you know, what I found, which is interesting,
is like if you look at someone's chart, you know,
over the court or an actor's chart, it's like, over
the course of their life, you might see themes in
their chart that are represented in the roles they play.
(25:37):
You know, like if you take you know, Black Noir,
for example, I have a bunch of Scorpio planets in
my chart. I have a Venus and Scorpio. I got
a moon in Scorpio along with Pluto. And Black Noir
is a very scorpionic character. You know, if you look
(25:58):
at also have Sagittarius, right, I'm a Sagittaria's son, Sagittarius,
Mercury and all of those planets except for Mercury are
in the fifth house for me, right, you you look
at Noir as a fifth house Scorpio, and Noir is
very childlike right in the fifth house. Is it does
(26:21):
have a correlation with childhood, with creativity, with expression. But
this this innocence in this play and the youthful side
of Noir, you know, you could connect some dots there, right, uh.
And then if you take the Sagittaria's side, you know,
Zion engenin and Georgia is a wandering, traveling photographer. It's
(26:44):
all there, you know, And and I could go deeper
into detail, but like there are themes that you can
kind of like pick out, you know, And so I
I do find that there's a resonance.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
That was pretty cool. I'll tell you I had my
first ever reading with an astrologer a year ago.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
It was the beginning of the year, and I didn't
really know what to expect. I always have been interested
in it and everything that was said to me during
that hour long session, I saw kind of coming to
fruition throughout the year, depending on the time of year,
and it was just fascinating. So I really did a
deep dive. I'm getting more into it, so I think
that's really cool and really interesting. So I had to
(27:30):
bring that up. Yeah, you brought up Geny and Georgia. Yeah,
are you wrapped on the next season?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We were wrapped on season four, okay, Yeah, so we'll
see what happens after that. I don't know, but yeah,
we finished that at the end of at the beginning
of March.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Is that coming out this year?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I have not gotten an official release date yet, but
you know, usually taken around a year from between when
we filmed to when and finished filming to when we
come back. I don't know, actually, Okay, but I think
it's safe to say we'll see it by this time
(28:06):
next year. I don't know when it's gonna come out,
but like, we'll see it.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
How do you think we'll react to it? Is it
a good season?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Are gonna like it? Okay? Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, you've become a fan favorite in that too.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I had, you know, I it's been interesting. You know,
you have this journey of like, you know, I think
Zion played a bit of a bad guy in season
three or you know, a little bit of an antagonist,
you know, and so you can see the kind of
ups and downs in terms of how his character is perceived.
But yeah, the fans have been great, and they've been
(28:43):
so supportive and so loving and appreciative. And it's funny
because when season three aired, like you know, a lot
of people were mad at Zion, and I get it.
I get it, but I didn't expect people to still
like be like oh hey Zion on the street and
like be happy about it. I was like, Okay, cool,
(29:03):
it hasn't it hasn't. It hasn't like carried over that far.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You know, you work dodge and punches.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, no, no, I did. I did have someone on
on uh what used to be Twitter say recently like
if Georgia comes for you. I got her back, and
I'm like, wow, good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
To know you don't want to mess with that kind
of person.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Nope, Nope, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'm more excited for that season two and can't wait
for that one to come out. The name of the
show is called I've never said this before Born, because
I cover a lot of red carpets and another job
I work on a show called Extra and junkets and
sit downs, and they're so quick. I mean, you get
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two three minutes with someone. I feel like it's a
lot of the same questions because every outlet wants to
put the bite and you know it's by the time
you start, you're done. And I just kind of walked
away being like, man, So this is why I got
in this, like I got in this for real conversation.
I love arts, I love entertainment. I'm a student of
the theater like I love it all. So I wanted
(30:08):
to bring people on and give them an opportunity to
say something meaningful to them. So we say, you know,
what is one thing you've never said before? But it
just means what is something you don't get a chance
to say off in that you want to say?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's deep you know, I think I'm just gonna say something.
Let it go where it goes. But I think, you know,
I think with art making artists half of the process,
the interpretation and the experience of it is the second half,
you know. And so it's like the audience is an
(30:42):
active participant in whatever art they're consuming. And I think
there's something really special that like kind of connects the
artists and the audience in that way. You know. It's
like I can perform to an empty room no one,
no one's receiving that, but when someone receives it, the
(31:03):
process that goes on inside their mind, inside their heart,
you know, how that affects them. You know, that's part
of the artistic process. You know, it goes from me
or from us out to them, you know. And I
think that's I I read that. I think in the
high school. I was like reading this book we were
signed with this essay, and and it it really stuck
(31:26):
with me. You know. Another thing that stuck with me,
which is slightly unrelated, but I've been doing like reading
into dimensional science, hm and like you know, like the
third dimension and the fourth dimension and everything like that,
and it's this really cool concept that like in the
fourth dimension, everything that has happened or will happen is
(31:50):
happening right now, you know. And like time, like time
exists simultaneously, you know, and like we as human beings,
as any being, it's like every moment of our existence,
every form of us, is existing at the same time,
(32:12):
you know. And so I don't really know how that works,
but like maybe like you have the ability to go,
like to direct your consciousness to like whatever age or
time you want it to be at. And it's just
a really interesting concept that, like when you think about
the way a say, like someone like a two dimensional
(32:35):
object or being of things, it couldn't perceive all of
this three dimensions. It's like we there's a dimension that
we can't perceive or even more than that, you know.
And I don't know what that says about life for
the universe. Some people are like, oh, does that mean
there's no free will? But I don't think so. I
think everything that's happening or happened happened because of the
(32:57):
people that are doing those things. You know. It's like
just because we're you know, just because this circle is
already established, doesn't mean that we haven't influenced the path
that it has taken, you know. Yeah, as they would say,
Billy pro Billy Pilgrim was backwards in time. You know. Yeah,
(33:20):
those are two Those are two thoughts.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Thoughts very different. Give us good insight into your mind.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, you know. I like to like expand it. I
like to challenge myself and be like, Okay, what haven't
I thought of? Like how can I keep growing? How
can I keep learning? You know? And that's that's a
mind bending topic that has got my got my attention.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
We could do a whole other episode on We could
do a podcast part too.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I love that and I love this conversation, and I'm
psyched for you with with everything going on, and you know,
I know it's a sad time to be saying goodbye
to a show you love. But what an accomplishment and
what a what a piece of the puzzle that makes
up who you are, your history or legacy that will
forever be there in the world. So congratulations to you.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
The finale airs tomorrow, and you said we'll be happy,
So if not, I'm gonna come for you, fhunt you down,
all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I'll give you some of Noir's knives. So you can
hold me to that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
There we go, Thank you, my man. Congrats on everything.
The Boys finale airs tomorrow, so don't miss it. I've
Never Said This Before is hosted by Me, Tommy Dedario.
This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio
and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've
(34:40):
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