On today's MKD, we start the week off discussing the discovery of over a dozen children found in an Ohio home, a mysterious explosive diarrhea parasite outbreak, tapeworms found in two patients, a baby found in a music festival porta potty, and a fugitive who posed with dismembered body parts.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with the Ohio House
of Horrors. If you remember from Monday's Morbid Minute, this
is a horrific case of child abuse where sixteen children
in poor health were found living in a really small
room that they apparently had been squeezed into for years.
Then we've been hearing the words explosive diarrhea and worms
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in the brain recently being tied to parasitic infections. So
we'll look into those cases and let you know if
you are at risk. Then we'll talk more about this
baby that was found in a porta potty, people who
were taking pictures with dismembered body parts, and your men's questions,
emails and more. Let's get started with this Ohio House
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of hers. It is really a house of horrors.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I mean, I'm just having a hard time understanding exactly
how something like this happens. We talk about child abuse
case on here all the time, but it's absolutely horrific.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Have you seen the video. I haven't seen the video, honestly,
Like I even when I'm going through my forensic textbooks
or anything like that, and there's child abuse chapters. I
just skip right over it. It's just so upsetting for
me to see it. I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I mean, part of me was thinking when I saw
this video it had to be fabricated or AI or something,
and I don't I think it's actually true. It's like
they open this hatch to this twelve by twelve room,
these kids are jammed in. I don't even think all
the kids were in this room necessarily, but when you
see them, it's like there's tape covering their mouths. Some
of them have chains around their necks. It's absolutely horrible.
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They were saying these kids, which were ranging from eighteen
months old to eighteen years old, were in such bad
can condition medically that two of them had to be
airlifted to the hospital immediately. Seven others needed treatment at
the hospital. And then the older kids were so developmentally delayed.
I think they were saying one didn't even know how
to spell their name.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That was a teenager. God, it's so awful some of
the details they're saying about this room twelve by twelve feet,
So they're saying it's one hundred and four forty four
square feet in total. That gives about like I'm just
trying to create a mental picture for you guys, it
is about nine square feet per child. Think about that,
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Like they and they were living in there, they estimate
for about four years. It is horrific. The neighbors didn't
know that kids lived there. The investigators are saying that
there's really no evidence that any children live there. Considering
that they're all under eighteen years old, you would think
that there would be there's babies there, there's toddlers there,
there's no toys, there's no evidence of children living in
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the house.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, it's so disturbing to when you see photos
of the house, it's like completely hoarded. It looks abandoned. Honestly,
you can't believe people are living there at all. What's
concerning to me is like, obviously these kids are not
enrolled in school, right, which is a conversation we were
having last week. What are the checks and balances that
need to be in place for people like this that
have children and aren't enrolling them in school and nobody
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is checking up on them at all. And I saw
in the news that these kids were all born at hospitals,
so it's not even like they were being born in
secret and nobody knew they existed. I mean, there's some
record of them being alive.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, there also was evidence that at some point at
least one of the children were enrolled in a school,
so that the parents' name came up at the school
for at least one of the children. So, but I
was talking about this on YouTube live. Actually, like when
I homeschooled the kids. Lillian had went to preschool at
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the public school in our town, and then when I
decided to homeschool her, all I had to do was
write a letter to the superintendent saying I'm taking my
kid out of the school system and I'm homeschooling her.
And that's the last I ever heard from them. They
never contacted me, asked me anything about my other kid
that I had in a hospital that I never sent
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to school until she was in first grade. So it
just depends on what state you're living in, like what
the laws are, But in New Jersey they're super chill.
You don't even have to prove that you're teaching your
kid anything. And it's just so insane to me, and
I mean, obviously, like I was doing the right thing,
and Jen our friend jen Is has been homeschooling her
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kids the whole time, and she's doing the right thing.
But there's definitely people out there like this that clearly
aren't and they fall through the cracks.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So some background on these people is that it was
a family involved in the abuse. So at first, when
you see the headline had sixteen kids are found in
a room, It's like you automatically think to were these kids'
kidnap where they consider missing? No, it was like this
horrible family in charge of this. So it was the
mother and father and the paternal grandparents in charge of this.
Recent reporting came out that the parents were in fact
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the biological parents of all sixteen kids. There are some
reports going around that they had twenty children at some point,
So like, where are the four other kids?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Did they die? This is what I was thinking, because
the investigators had said some of the cops were just like,
we're lucky we got there when we did, because some
of these children were going to die within a day
or two. And I'm thinking, well, if they've been living
there for four years, you didn't just happen to show
up on the right day, Like there's been kids dying
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throughout this time, there has to be yeah, how are
they near death and you just so happened to show
up on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
People claiming to be family members of these people have
said there were twenty children at one point, so like,
I don't know if that's true or an exaggeration or what,
but if that is true and the number is twenty,
there's four unaccounted.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So the people that are involved in this are a
mother and father who are technically these children's grandparents, who
are seventy three and sixty seven years old, so it's
clearly not their children. And then their son is thirty
six years old and he married a woman who's thirty
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three years old at this time. Now there's lots of
stories going around online with people that know them that
said that she just because the child, I mean, you
could do the math. The oldest kid found was eighteen
years old, so she at least was having this kids
from the time that she was fourteen or fifteen years old.
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But because they're saying that there might have possibly been
more children, a lot of people are saying that she
got pregnant the first time when she was thirteen years
old and she married this guy when she was only
fifteen years old and he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, and then her family members are saying that she
was fully indoctrinated by these people. So I'm like, what
does that mean? Like was this their grand plan to
have all these children this whole time? Is this some
weird cult they belong to? Like what is going on
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I have no idea. I have no idea what to
even think, but it's it's it's an interesting thing because
if you think about somehow that this woman as a
young teenager thirteen years old, I mean, Lilian's thirteen years old,
she certainly is nowhere near making I mean she knows
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what's right and wrong and stuff. But if you think
about if she moved in with some adults that were
manipulating her and stuff, I think that she would easily
be able to be talked into things that she didn't
really want to do or didn't think was right. I
don't know, like where are her parents, Like a thirteen
year old child is married or getting married in a
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couple of years to the son and living at the
house with these people, Like she's still a child. It's listen,
I'm sorry, but there should be no laws in the
entire United States of America that children could get married.
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
No, I agree, it is totally ridiculous. And like, did
you see the before and after picture of her?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay, so Lauren actually posted this picture that I guess
this girl's mother had posted wishing her happy birthday on
Facebook a couple of years ago, where she has a
full faced, blonde hair. She looks like put together. And
then when you see this mugshot of her, I was like,
is her hair wet or greasy in this mugshot? I
think it's greasy hair like. She looks totally disheveled. The
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question is tru.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Is that it's possible that she's a victim of the
abuse as well.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's exactly what I was just gonna say. There's a
question of is she a victim in this whole thing
as well? I mean, who wants to give birth up
to twenty times? I did it one time and I'm
good for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I mean, this seems absolutely horrible. Yeah, I mean people
do by choice, but it just it's it just seems
there's something off obviously there's something off.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But something they noted too was when they arrested her,
she asked She continually asked about the children and how
they were doing, which I don't think the other people did,
and they don't often see in child abuse keeps.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So when they were found, like she wasn't in the
cage with the children, it just was the children. They
weren't in cages. That I think that was like a
small like a the room is like a cage, That's
what I mean. Like, yeah, she wasn't in there with
the kids, but I mean she could be a victim
in the sense if they have a psychological hold over her.
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God knows what's going on inside the house, Like I
don't know, Like I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't want to say their way because we don't
know all the information going on, But it to me
her asking about the welfare of the children. I don't
think many child abusers would not to say that they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But they're saying that every one of those children are
from this guy's son and not are from the guy.
Because I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Like that's what I was wondering if the older man
was part of the abuse too. They're saying like, as
of now, what's being reported is that biologically all of
the children belong to the two younger people.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, but that's like that's how can it be true?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Like I'm just saying, like, how can these two older
people be involved to this extent and not also be
abusing this woman in this way?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, So, I mean, we'll we'll stay on top of
this case. And because these I mean, one of the
children were actually put on a ventilator, there's a possibility
that that child might not even survive. They're in critical condition.
There's just going to be so much more to this case.
So awful.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I just don't I just don't understand, Like, especially you know,
being a good person everything. It's like the thought of
child abuse cases really is upsetting in general, But now
that it's like I have a baby. I look at
him every day, I look at his inn face.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just don't understand how you can do something like this. Well,
there's clearly some mental health thing going on there. I
don't know if there's drugs. I mean, does the girl
look like she's on drugs or she just looks they
all look like they're on drugs. I mean, I mean
it just could be anything. Listen, Like, we take road
trips all the time and sometimes I drive through it's
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where was this? Did this happen?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
This was in Ohio, I think south of Columbus, just
south of Columbus.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Like West Virginia. I remember driving through there and just
being like, I couldn't even believe these houses on the
side of the road that there were cars out front,
because it just looked like a human wouldn't even live
in it. It was just such a shack. And you're
just like, and I see them in other states too,
but you're just like, Okay, sometimes you see play toys
outside and you think, like, God, children live here right
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now in this situation. So it happens. And I think
the mayor of that little town that they were living
in said that he would go by the house every
once in a while to make sure that they were
cutting their weeds and stuff and like taking care of
the house because it was that bad. But nobody even
knew that there were kids living there.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And I'm wondering about the investigation that led them there,
like what were they I think they were looking into
the hand thirty seven year old man for a public kid.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It says for public indecency charges.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh oh that's great, So like, what's up with that? Yeah,
what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And then how do you lead?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
How does that lead to a search warrant of their
whole entire house.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, there's just like I'm really curious like all this
other stuff that's going to come out. So we'll talk
about this more later when we get more info.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
All right, So we were wondering what the new haunt
of virus or a bola was going to be in
the media, and now it's this explosive diarrhea of parasite.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So we were talking who were we talking about this
with recently that we were just like, oh, remember the
haunt of virus was like the biggest thing ever. It
like completely fell off. I haven't even heard anything about it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's just like it's just so funny and you're just like, Okay,
what's the next thing they're going to jump on? So
this is a cyclosporosis like this, this is a kind
of para I guess it's considered a parasite that you
would get parasitic infection that causes explosive diarrhea A lot
of times. It's something maybe if I think one of
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my friends went on a trip to Thailand and she
ended up getting this, and she was like, God, I
really have diarrhea from like eating the food over there,
and then like she got tested and had this and
it's easy. It. It doesn't usually make people super sick,
but you can get super sick from it. It's just
more like abdominal pain, like that, oh, I have to
poop and then all of a sudden it like blows out,
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like a true blowout. But there's been there's clearly something
causing it, because there's been one hundred and forty five
cases is within the past like two months, right, so
so and they said especially in Michigan. So I would
say that it's likely like some kind of vegetables that
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were getting from the grocery store that aren't washed properly
because you're you're it's a fecal oral contact. But it's
not like you. The the spores have to live in
the environment, so it's not like I don't know. Let's say,
for example, you have it and you poop and don't
wash your hands good, and then you prepare food and
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someone eats the food like it needs to beat in
the environment. Too long. They you wouldn't get it that way,
so it has to be something like maybe it's on
fruits or vegetables that are out in the field and
the field workers are shitting outside, like this is a
common thing. This is why they tell you to like
french your vegetables off. So this is kind of cool
though with the CDC does it's like epidemiology stuff. It's
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the same thing that happened with the Haunt of viral
It's like when all these people in the United States
get this infection from time to time, but then when
you have lots of reports of it, because what happens
is you and this has probably happened to some of
you that are listening, but you have an episode of
diarrhea for a week or two weeks, and then you're like, Okay,
this is more than just a typical thing, like something's wrong.
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And I go to the doctor and they want to
do a stool sample and you have to poop in
that weird little pan thing. Yeah, and they give you
a couple of little containers and one of them is
called OVA and parasites. So some of them are looking
for bacterial infections like equal eye or something like that Shigella,
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salmonella is something like that, and then the OVI and
parasites is looking for things like this. So when those
cases pop up in a microbiology lab, they report them
to the CDC, and then the CDC all of a
sudden is like, oh shit, we just got one hundred
and forty five reports in this little cluster. The same
thing is actually happening in New York right now, like
a cluster of Legionnaire's disease that's happening. So there's been eight,
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i think a bunch of confirmed cases and deaths from it.
And initially that when that bacterial infection was first realized,
it was in Philadelphia. And the reason that it's called
Legionnaire's disease is because there was a Legionaire like convention
in Philadelphia and all of these guys got sick at
that and they figured out, okay, they're all staying in
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the same hotel, and then they figured out it was
coming from the air conditioning units. So like it. It's
really cool how they track down exactly where it's coming from,
and we could potentially be seeing like a recall of
something at some point, you know, when they say throw
all your lettuce out or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But it's it's always so long. I just got to
recall from Amazon for a grill cleaning brush that Ricky
bought in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh, and that's you know what that's probably from because
there's been cases of people having perforations because the brushes
are getting the bristles getting dislodged, and they're eating the
bristle inside of a hamburger and that little metal piece
it's like a metal wire essentially, people are eating it
and it's like popping through their esophagus or their intestines.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But that's five years ago. I'm like, I asked him
about it. He's like, I got rid of that like
three years ago. Yeah, even been using.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He's like, and half the bristles were gone and we
ate them and we were fine, we ate all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Something you just said earlier, I want to point out,
so you just said something about having diarrhea for one
to two weeks and then going to the doctor. Like,
I feel like, if you're having it more than a
couple of days, you should go to the doctor. I
believe this article said these symptoms could last up to
a month. Can you imagine having explosive diarrhea for a
whole month.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing that's like the
weird thing when you get diarrhea, because when you get diarrhea,
it's your body trying to tell you something. Some people
just get it if they have bad nerves or something
like that. But like, you really aren't supposed to take
things like emodium ad to stop yourself from pooping because
if it is an infection and like you want to
clear it out. So it's just but also I've trust me,
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I've been there several times with certain kinds of infections
that you're like I can't even drive to pick my
kids up from school because I'm gonna shit my pants,
Like I have to take some kind of drug to
stop this. So so yeah, like it it would suck,
But I think surely in like a week, I would
be like, Okay, something's wrong. You know. I really feel
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like if you have it more than two or three days,
it's like, eh, you better, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's just a really long time to be experiencing something
like that and uncomfortable. But we were just talking about
this before we recorded. Though, you just have somebody in
your life always that is in total denial and will
not go to the doctor like they would rather have
been near death experience, just like nip something in the
bud right when it starts.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's like so insane. Also for some people, just having
to like collect your poop like that gives people a
lot of anxiety. I have some friends that just I
don't want to do that because they're like, oh my god,
I have to go in this cop and you know,
I mean, it's gross, But what do you get, Doe.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Speaking of parasites, this woman discovered nearly forty parasites in
her brain after a trip to India. So she's saying
it happened back in two thousand and seven. She went
on a three month trip to India for work. She
intentionally avoided eating meat, but then believed she had port
contaminated with microscopic tapeworm eggs, and then her symptoms didn't
start appearing for three years. And this is where I
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questioned the story because this article said she first realized
something was wrong when she discovered a quote meter long
tapeworm after going to the toilet that's like three feet long.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, they are, what, Yes, so you just pooped out
like a three foot long yes worm, Yes, I might
mind this float. But it's actually so this is like
the tapeworm, the same one you could get from if
you eat poor that isn't cooked all the way okay,
But if you if you eat pork that's not cooked
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all the way, you're ingesting the cyst So then you
could get the tapeworm like faster. It goes like directly
in your body, and you could get the tapeworm. But
in this situation, you're ingesting the eggs before it it
has already kind of formed, and you're ingesting in a
different portion of the life cycle of the parasite. So
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that's why it takes so long. I can't but listen.
Like she's in the UK, which is like essentially the
same as being in the US. If you're in the
US and you're having symptoms that are very unusual and
you get a brain scan and they see that you
have these this parasite inside of your brain, they're automatically
going to be like, where did you travel, because it's
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just like it's rare, it's rare to happen here, so
they're going to be like where did you travel? Oh,
I went to India two years ago and go that's
where you got it. Like that's that's how they figure
out right away.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
It's crazy it takes that long to detail it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, it really is, because you could go on a
trip and think that you're totally fine for years and
then all of a sudden and she has she's gonna
have life, like lifelong complications because of this. She has epilepsy.
Now she has to take anti Caesar or medication they
told her for the rest of her life. They gave her.
So they gave her medication because they can't really go
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in your brain and like remove all of this stuff,
so they give you medication to basically kill it. But
they stay in your body and they calcify because your
body recognizes them as foreign and attacks it. And they're
dead now and not moving inside of your body, so
they just calcify. But that, you know, you don't really
want like huge calcifications of dead worms inside of your brain,
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you know. I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The timeline of this is just crazy because she's saying
she goes on this trip in two thousand and seven
and then not until twenty and ten that she poops
out this three foot long tapeworm in the toilet at
a restaurant, and then the next year she starts having
headaches and then she has a seizure, and then that's
when they find all of the other ones in her brain.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So then after that she says, this is what I'm
curious about, Like if she if she pooped out the tapeworm,
did she she seek treat me me? Yeah, Like that's
what I don't really understand about it. But well, I'll
have to look into that more. I suppose I just
thought of that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Now, going back to people that are in medical denial,
you also know a couple of people in our immediate
family that would probably poop out a three foot tape
worm and just be like I'm fine, I don't feel
sick good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I remember that. Remember when when I was working at
the one hospital that lady had cats and then she
caught she was like, oh, I have a kit and
in my yard and I took it. Yeah, and it
was like I didn't like adopt it, like I took
like a like a kitten from someone's yards. So it
wasn't it didn't go to a vet yet. And the
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very first day we had it home, it like threw
up a bunch, like a whole thing of worms and
I was like, oh my god, and then like I
brought it to the vet and everything like that. But
it's just like so that would freak me out so much.
I don't know. She probably like also when you have
a tapeworm, because you know that people do this like
tapeworm diet, that you could intentionally injustice, like it helps
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you lose weight, because like she should have been losing
a significant amount of weight too, because it's a parasite
and it's literally living off of you, and you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So you think she was like, damn, I'm looking dat
I'm not taking care.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Of one of the one of the old specimens in
one of the labs that I was rotating at as
a student had a jar of a tapeworm from somebody
and it is so disturbing. It looks like like like
a like a sewing measuring tape or something like. It's
like that long and big.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Basically didn't On YouTube live, we had that video of
somebody was selling pens that had tapeworms and oh yeah,
and you could see it moving around.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now I think that was that was just the that
was like a little round worm or something like that.
But that was super cool. I was like, I want
that pen.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So basically, after she had the seizure and they found
the rest of them in her brain, then she went
on MIDS and it seemed okay for a couple of years,
but then she collapsed at work a couple of years later,
so she had to move in with her parents. She
said she started acting like a child behaviorally, and then
she eventually recovered and she said she's not had any
(24:42):
surgery surgery to take them out of her brain, but
apparently they just die and they calcify, So right now
they've calcified and she's not having problems at the moment.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah. So I'm just wondering because because when you have
the larvae the worms like in your body, they could
travel to your brain and then they could they could
kind of like they're called like a cyst because it
grows a bat there's like a barrier that grows around
it and it forms almost like a cyst. So I'm
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wondering if, even if she did get treatment, if they're
kind of protected and kind of dorm it there. But
I don't I don't think so like, I feel like
if she got treatment for the actual worms, that would
probably have covered it. I just don't see if she
realized that she pooped out a tapeworm that she wouldn't
have got treatment, or maybe she didn't get a strong
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enough treatment or something, because maybe that was the only
one that came out and then she took you know how,
sometimes they're like, take antibiotics for two weeks and then
people feel better the day later and they're like, I'm
good and don't finish or something like that. This is
a little bit different because you would take a different
medication because it's a parasite and not a bacteria. But
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I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
This episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room guys.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This week in the gross Room, we've been talking about
parenting influencers. There's been a lot of cases of these
parenting influencers that have had a child die, which is
totally tragic, and they've been different situations in every case.
In this particular one that we're dissecting this week is
an influencer that is at my Baby Dolls on Instagram
(26:32):
and her thirteen year old daughter died this They had
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thirteen year old daughter suddenly died after a trampoline accident,
it seemed, and we're going to go through her cause
(26:53):
of death and what happened there. And we also have
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So it's pretty gross but also interesting. And we for
Forensic Friday this week, we talk about this case where
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Speaker 1 (27:55):
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Speaker 2 (27:58):
There was another case in the news this week too,
and it's kind of essentially the same exact thing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I can't believe there's three parasite stories in the
news just within a one week period that are okaty crazy.
So this guy's doctors believed he had brain cancer, but
it turned out to be live tapeworms in his brain.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's but it's the same exact thing this woman had,
but in this case it's a little bit different because
he's in Spain and this this particular pork tapeworm is
not is not there either, like it like it would
be here. So they say did Yeah, So they're like,
where did you go? And he's like, I haven't traveled.
So now they're just trying to figure out, well, how
(28:37):
the hell did you get this? Because this is weird
here and like no one else has gotten it, so
where did he get it from? It's really bizarre. The
only the only possibility really is that someone that he
lives with traveled and had it and there was some
kind of fecal oral contamination from that person pooping out
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the eggs. Wow, that's the only thing I could But
that's the only thing that I could think of, because
if it's not endemic there then then it would kind
of be impossible.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So in this case, he said he went to the
hospital after suffering progressive headaches and mild behavioral changes over
a two week period, and then CT scan showed multiple
abnormal spots that looked like tumors that had spread from
cancer elsewhere in his body, leading them to suspect that
he had advanced brain cancer. And then, however, whole body
scans of colonoscopy and specialized imaging failed to identify cancer
(29:31):
anywhere in his body. So then that's what made them
realize that what was actually going I wonder.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
If they actually they probably did a biopsy of it, honestly,
if they if that and listen, like, this has happened
several times at work that I told you it happened
with Andrea that we got a brain tumor specimen. She
was she was like thirty eight weeks pregnant, and we
got a brain tumor specimen. And when she caught and
(30:00):
they looked at it under the microscope, it was actually toxoplasmosis,
which is really bad for pregnant people, pregnant women to
be you know, breathing in right.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, it's by the station changed like cat litter or
anything exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And she was cutting a frozen section. So when you
do that, you know those little flakes like come up
in the air. And I remember she called her obstetrician
and said she was just like, I have a really
weird question for you. I've known like exposure to toxoplasmosis.
And then the doctor was just like, well, I don't
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know if I've ever had anybody asked me that question.
I'll have to call you back. But because she was
so far along, it was fine because they're like, you're
delivering soon, and it's more for like birth defects, especially
like early on in the pregnancy. So but obviously she
was freaking out about it. But there's so many times
that we get specimens that they think is a tumor
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and then it turns out that it's not. It's not
a tumor, it's it's like some kind of weird infection.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I kind of can't believe that quote hasn't come up
in the almost what three years we've.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Been doing this show, because I'm glad I finally could
use it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I feel like in our family we use it a lot,
which is a weird quote. And then when I had
my pituitary I don't know, but we are throwing it
around a lot. I just can't believe it hasn't come
up all right. So we referenced this story last week
in a question, but we never really talked about it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know why we didn't talk about it because you
in the question. The whoever was asking us the question
was asking something about a baby being found in a
porta potty. I asked yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
They asked, why do they say full term fetus?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So was I yeah. And then when we when we
were done recording, like, I don't know, I guess I
read another story on the news, and then I didn't
realize that this was a new story, because remember that
happened this year, that that there was a baby that
was found in the blue water and they found the
blue water in the baby's lungs and they determined that
that's how the baby died, That the baby drowned in
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this I think when that body, it's like the same story.
So I just thought it was she was talking about
an old story.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I think what happened is this story or I read
this email either the night before we recorded. I think
you already picked the stories and then I added it
in last minute, and I texted you about it, but
you thought it was the older one, so you didn't
realize it was a new one. But I like put
it in the links and then there was just confusion
to the back end of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I just can't imagine that this happened, that this has
happened more than once, yeah, one year.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
In this case, this baby was found at the Electric
Forest Festival in a porta potty. They said the baby
was discovered in the camping area of the festival by
an employee of the restroom vending company, and then as
of reporting yesterday, they determined to the baby was born
alive and fluid was found inside the baby's lungs and stomach.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's the same exact situation. They the blue I mean, god,
god knows what fluid not not only the blue porta
potty fluid, but like you're in shit whatever else is
in the porta potty. So this is my this is
my thought, Like I think it's a situation where there's
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like these people that they just don't I didn't know
I was pregnant. They get into this really bad pain,
they go to take a shit in the porta potty,
like they don't I don't know that they don't realize
that they just gave birth, but they're like kind of
completely mentally out of it. It's just because because like
what else could be the explanation? Well, yeah, let me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I actually found something somebody talking about this on social
media that they like witnessed what happened. And I don't
know if this is true or not, but I did
see this on x SO. Somebody said I saw the woman,
dark clothing and neon accessories. She was headed straight towards
the porta potties, not talking to anyone or looking around,
clearly pregnant. I thought she just had to go badly
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or something. She was completely focused, almost like she knew
exactly what she was there to do. She stopped in
front of one of the porta potties for a few seconds,
said some gibberish, and then slowly opened one of the
doors and went in. I was like, what did she
just say? Almost immediately I heard loud moaning, more gibberish
from her porta potty. It was like she was performing
some kind of ritual in there. And then minutes later
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she came out crying, just started holding her stomach. There
was liquid coming out. I thought she had pissed herself.
Then she turned walked away without saying a word. So
that was what somebody claimed they witnessed happening.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean, like it sounds pretty specific and why would
anybody make that up?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, yeah, and let me see. Hold on, I actually
have the screenshot of this. Let me check the date
and see if this person maybe when they posted it,
so it said there's no date on it exactly, but
super weird. They said she just basically disappeared after it,
And I guess nobody thought to check that she just
gave birth, because why would you think somebody would just
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go in the porta potti and give birth?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Right, you just have to be like high on drugs,
are totally checked out of like reality of what's happening.
I mean, why are you going this?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Like to me, I don't really know anything about this,
but it looks like one of those like rave festivals
where you would go only to do acid and like
dance in a bunch of neon lights like somabe, why
are you going they're so pregnant?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Maybe because I'm telling you, like people are in denial
and checked out, and like if that's if that account
from a witness is true. It's just like she looks
at the person is like they're obviously pregnant. But like
think about that case with that Lake and Snelling girl
and stuff that we don't really know if she was,
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Like by all accounts, she didn't act like she was
pregnant when everyone around her was like she looked pregnant.
She did, we saw the pictures of her, But yeah,
she didn't. She didn't acknowledge it at all, Like she
didn't tell her friends, like like she was walking around
like nothing was wrong. Like people get completely in denial
(36:11):
and checked out and scared or whatever and just like
block it out and pretend like it's not happening. Yeah,
and people do that for all sorts of different things,
not just not just pregnancy. But that's all I could
think of, is that, Like, I mean, she's there wearing neon,
she's there at a party, like she doesn't Maybe she
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just like was so checked out. I don't know. Not
that pregs can't have a good time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'm just saying, as a person that was just very pregnant,
it just seems like an unusual event to go to
when you're that far along. I'm just saying but like
maybe I'm lazy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I don't know. I mean I was going to fill before. Yeah,
but you don't like to go outside.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I go outside sometimes. But all right, let's get to
the listener question though, regarding this case. So we had
the question at first, which you thought was in reference
to the old story, but was actually a reference to this.
And then immediately when we wrapped, somebody else actually wrote
in this question. So this is from Renee. She said,
if the baby was in the innate, how would that
impact autopsy? If the baby was full term, does that
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make it easier or harder to dissect? Is that hospital
obligated to report the woman if they treat her for
postpartum care with no baby? This reminded me of the
maternal Instinct Taylor Parker situation, where the hospital took extra
precautions for infant safety.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So, yeah, if she showed up to the hospital and
clearly just gave birth and there was no baby, I'm
pretty I'm almost certain that that's reportable to the police,
especially like if you, like, if you're ten weeks pregnant,
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then I don't think so. Like if you're below twenty
two weeks, I don't think so. Because a lot of
time this happens. This, Like I know for a fact
because it's happened several times at my hospital. Like a
woman has a miscarriage and she's sitting on the toilet,
has a miscarriage and like freaks out and flushes the
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toilet and doesn't bring the products into the hospital with her.
But like, when you're far enough along that that child
could be viable, then they're gonna call the police and
be like, where's the kid?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What do they do in situations like? All right, so
let's say you have a home birth that goes wrong
and you have to go to the hospital. Do they
then have to prove the baby is at the home
and alive and say I'm sure, I'm sure yeah, because
they'd have to write yeah, and I'm sure, I mean
I'm one hundred percent sure that they would do that
because that that could be a potential situation like this.
(38:46):
So so yeah, it doesn't matter if it's if it's
considered a fetus or an you know, I mean it
was full term, right, they said, yeah, full term? Well
they were calling it a full term fetus.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, that was the question. Last I get. I guess
that would be considered anything over thirty six weeks would
be considered full term. But no, I mean it doesn't
make it any easier or harder. It's it's easy. It's
honestly like a little bit easier to do an autopsy
on a fetus because the older that they get, you know,
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even when they're born, it's kind of easy still, but
the older that that a fetus and a baby gets there.
You know, when they're a fetus, their bones are all
they're not really ossified, they're all like cartilage. And then
as they get older, like even like Whelan's like still
like a lot of cartilage, you know, and as he
gets older, his bones will ossify and get all hardened
(39:42):
and you know, like adult bones. Right. So when you
are doing an autopsy on a fetus, it's just easier
because the fontinelles aren't fused, so you know, like the
soft spot on his head, like he still has that,
like they're not fused, yets, so he doesn't have like
a rigid skull yet. Yeah, So it's just easier to
do on a fetus or even a newborn, but their
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earlier fetus even easier. When we have to remove the ribs,
it's the same thing. It's just easier to do, Like
you could do a scissors instead of a bone saw,
but we would still do the same exact thing, and
especially if it's full term. It I mean, that's it
makes it pretty clear, like that, it's easy to figure
out what happened because the organs are very developed and
(40:27):
it's just very easy to look and see that there's
not only fluid in the lungs grossly, but then microscopically
they would I mean, if it was in a porta
potty that's been used, you're gonna see evidence of like
plant cells, meat cells, like which is shit, someone shit
inside the lungs, which is terrible because it means that
the baby was born alive and it was breathing that
(40:48):
stuff in which which just like is ridiculous. But it's
so awful. It is awful. It's it's awful. It's all
awful to abandon your baby. But just like that, I
just think that it's like it has to be. It
has to be like almost non intentional, meaning like that
persons so checked out they didn't even realize that that happened,
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whether they're high or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean, if you're going through with the pregnancy, I
just don't understand. Like, I understand totally people that don't
want to keep the kid, I understand that, but like,
I just don't understand why you could do the bare
minimum and try to give the kid a better life
or something like to kill them in that way is
so unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I just can't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I couldn't believe it before and now I just really
can't believe it that I'm a mother, Like I just
this It's like so awful. I feel like the whole
theme of this episode is like medical denial.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
It's so weird. Yeah, it's true. I even remember one day.
I mean, I wonder if medical professionals see this lot.
I even remember one day going to one of my
appointments on maternal feed on Medicine and just making comment like, yeah,
I just can't believe I'm pregnant. The lady being like,
but you.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Know you're pregnant, right, And I was like, yeah, I'm
just saying because like it took three years to get here.
I'm not like in denial it's happening. I'm just saying,
like I can't believe that it's finally happening. Yeah, but
it was weird because I'm like, do people go in
and they're just into complete denial? But whatever, I mean,
clearly people are at some point.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
This next one was also set and by a listener,
was just an older story. I don't think we covered it, yeah,
because I'm so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well it's not only is it outrageous, No, you know what.
I feel like I might remember something of it, but
I don't think we covered this. It happened like not
even an hour from my house. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. Like when I was reading, I was like,
(42:42):
maybe I don't know, but just tell them the story
because it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Well, if somebody is like listening back to older episodes,
let us know if we covered this, because I think
this happened last year. I tried looking in our archives
if we did, and it wasn't coming up. So I mean,
we could have very well covered it. But basically, this
New Jersey woman was arrested for harboring a fugitive in
a fatal Manchester shooting, and when they were going through
her phone, they found a photo of her and the
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fugitive posing with dismembered body parts.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
So it said it was an individual who was clearly.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Deceased, amputated at the top of his legs with a
hatchet in his chest.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, and she was like holding the hatchet that was
in his chest. Could you imagine the investigators like going
through a phone and seeing that. No.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And then this incident also resulted in a seven hour
police stand off with the fugitive resulting in him shooting
himself in the head. So this listener to Lena wrote
in and said, love the podcast. I accidentally discovered it
on the Elvis Duran replay channel and had been obsessed
ever since.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
The thanks.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
So she said, this is an old story, but the
two year anniversary is coming up those fourth of July weekend.
This happened down the street from me as I was
coming home from work and my boyfriend was home at
the time with no knowledge this was going on in
the middle of the day. This house has since been gutted, renovated,
and re sold, and I wonder every if the current
owners know what happened in the house.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
So she said it was two years ago. Yeah, did
you look back two years or one year? No? I
looked back through all I thought you just said it
was last year yeah, thank you for bringing this to
our attention because it is outrageous. Listen, this is also
just a reminder of like cops, first responders and like
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the crazy shit they see. These three stories between imagine
showing up at a house and seeing sixteen live children
shelved in a room that's twelve by twelve. Number two.
Imagine going through someone's phone in an investigation and coming
across pictures like this, Like there's pictures in people's phone
(44:46):
of like them with their kids and them like their
food they ate and all this stuff, and seeing some
disturbing ass shit like that, and then like looking at
the people that are sitting right next to you that
actually did that and thinking how sick they are. And
then what was the other case that we just talked
about that find? You know, going on a case I'll
call that, you're going to a festival because someone just
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found it a fetus attached to a placenta in a
porta potty. Like they see like the most disturbing shit
ever every single day, and then you know they're supposed
to just be like normal people, go home and be
normal people. It's just like hard to transition. Sometimes they
see like the worst of society.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Speaking of that, I watched that Worst Neighbor Ever show
on Netflix because I was like, I saw it keeps
being in the number one spot, so I'm like, all right,
I'll check it out. And some of the cases they
covered in this, Like the first one was this lady
was totally crazy living across the street from these people
and kept calling the police on them all the time
for anything they did. And then they and then they
(45:52):
were like calling the police back, being like my grandson
is out in the yard playing and this woman is
mewing her lawn completely naked. They had a picture of
her with her shirt off, just standing there like this
staring at them. Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I wonder how they do that show, like legally, I
don't know, like because they have to get permission to
use those photos and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well, the lady's in jail, so I don't know, like
if it was part of the show, this is all
her rights, because I don't know if the pictures were
part of the she like ended up shooting the two people.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I can't believe this lady. Do you remember when we
lived in Audubon that lady that lived there was some
lady that like lived across the way from us, and
she was just like, I don't know, she was like
on something or whatever. She was. She didn't have a job,
and she just like stayed at home and talked to
us all day. But she like, I don't know what
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was happening there. But one day she came over and
was showing us like this invention she made. Do you
remember this? And it we lived on the main road, yeah,
and it was it was She's like, she comes over
and it's like a bunch of PVC pipe. It's like
a PVC pipe basically with like a hook on the
(47:11):
end of it. And I was like, what is this
And she's like, it's a scrunchy holder.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
She was like trying to get a patent for it.
Wait in the White House, I don't know, not directly
next door, it was like across the street kind of
like I don't remember this at all. Yeah, I'll have
to ask Annie about it. And I was like, and
this was like in two thousand and eight or nine,
(47:38):
in eight or nine, So there was a period like
I think scrunchies are probably popular again, but there was
a period that it was just like, Okay, these are
the corniest things ever, and anybody that uses these are
like so ten years ago or fifteen years ago, you
know what I mean, you know how like things fall
out a trend. And I just was like looking at
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this lady, and I'm like, you are clinically insane, Like
you're trying to sell a piece of PBC pipe and
sell it as a scrunchy holder right now.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
That's why Berger broke up with Carrie, if you recall,
because when she read his novel, she said it was
perfect except that the main girl wore.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
A scrunch Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
It was also Sex and the City related is she said,
remember the episode where her shoes got stolen and she
said she was worried she had triggernosis. And then Ranna
was like, that's from port two relevant stories that of
tied to Sex and the City. I don't remember this
at all, but I was only like fourteen when that
(48:36):
must have happened.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
So, you know, Sex and the City was like the
best show ever, and now I have like a different
feeling about it because of the sequels.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I mean, and just I guess I really started tanking
with the second movie.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, that was like that was like a push they
should have stopped there.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
You know, I heard rumors of why they were gonna
make a Sex in the City three movie, and I
heard rumors. I don't don't know if this is true
that what's her name?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Who plays Samantha?
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Why can't my brain is so fried right now. The
actress that play Samantha would not do it because A.
Kim Contrell hated Sarah Jessica Parker A, so I'm sure
that was a huge contributing factor. And then b allegedly
the script was that Samantha was going to have an
affair with Miranda's son. Oh yeah, I heard that, and
(49:25):
she was like, I'm not doing that, and then that's
why they scrapped the movie, which I think everybody couldn't
believe that at the time. I don't know if it's
one hundred percent true, But then after seeing the atrocity
that wasn't just like that, I think maybe we could
believe they would try to pull some outrageost that.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
That was absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
It was terrible, but I miss it because I like
loved hate watching it. Now now I wonder if we
went too hard on it, because I would like to
keep hate watching it.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't know It's a fine line when you try
to get someone canceled because they suck so bad, but
then when they actually get canceled, it's like, h I
miss that.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
No, I do miss it, all right, especially Treit what
was her name, Chaye Diez for that horrible thing. Remember
them for calling it a comedy concert. Nobody calls it that.
Oh my god, the writing was so terrible. I don't
how did that show even come into play?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Alright, we have one last submission from Gina, who's a
grocery member. She said the missing jet skier reminded me
of the recent tragedy in my city. A mother and
her daughters were in kayaks and inflatable tubes on a
lake and didn't realize the lake was damned due to
heavy rain. The spillway was open, and it pulled them over,
killing three of them and leaving one survivor.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Oh my god, so horrible. That's the thing, like they
just you can't just go do shit like that.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is why I encourage everybody to not go outside.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, good, good word of advice. Can't somebody?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
I feel like somebody could design us a cool T shirt.
That's like I don't know how to do it, or
I would do it myself. About being anti outside, there
could be a cool way to portray this on a shirt.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I know that there's other people that are like that. Well,
your sister Lucia is like that. Thank God. She just
says like, I'm completely fine if I don't ever go outside,
and she goes outside and screams over every like a
fly's I had these kids both in the dirt when
they were little kids, from the time they were little
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outside playing trying to get with one with nature, and
they just they just well, Lillian's more into it, Lucia, Nope.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I mean my friend Lisa Ribakoff, who is a lie
detector specialist, has mocked up an Airbus allegiance shirt for
us to since we're both pretty anti boeings. She's pretty amazing.
I think we should get them going. I think a
lot of people will be on our side. Okay, guys,
with that said, we hope you had a great Fourth
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Ciya, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As
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pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with the Ohio House
of Horrors. If you remember from Monday's Morbid Minute, this
is a horrific case of child abuse where sixteen children
in poor health were found living in a really small
room that they apparently had been squeezed into for years.
Then we've been hearing the words explosive diarrhea and worms
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in the brain recently being tied to parasitic infections. So
we'll look into those cases and let you know if
you are at risk. Then we'll talk more about this
baby that was found in a porta potty, people who
were taking pictures with dismembered body parts, and your men's questions,
emails and more. Let's get started with this Ohio House
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of hers. It is really a house of horrors.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I mean, I'm just having a hard time understanding exactly
how something like this happens. We talk about child abuse
case on here all the time, but it's absolutely horrific.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Have you seen the video. I haven't seen the video, honestly,
Like I even when I'm going through my forensic textbooks
or anything like that, and there's child abuse chapters. I
just skip right over it. It's just so upsetting for
me to see it. I don't want to see it.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I mean, part of me was thinking when I saw
this video it had to be fabricated or AI or something,
and I don't I think it's actually true. It's like
they open this hatch to this twelve by twelve room,
these kids are jammed in. I don't even think all
the kids were in this room necessarily, but when you
see them, it's like there's tape covering their mouths. Some
of them have chains around their necks. It's absolutely horrible.
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They were saying these kids, which were ranging from eighteen
months old to eighteen years old, were in such bad
can condition medically that two of them had to be
airlifted to the hospital immediately. Seven others needed treatment at
the hospital. And then the older kids were so developmentally delayed.
I think they were saying one didn't even know how
to spell their name.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That was a teenager. God, it's so awful some of
the details they're saying about this room twelve by twelve feet,
So they're saying it's one hundred and four forty four
square feet in total. That gives about like I'm just
trying to create a mental picture for you guys, it
is about nine square feet per child. Think about that,
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Like they and they were living in there, they estimate
for about four years. It is horrific. The neighbors didn't
know that kids lived there. The investigators are saying that
there's really no evidence that any children live there. Considering
that they're all under eighteen years old, you would think
that there would be there's babies there, there's toddlers there,
there's no toys, there's no evidence of children living in
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the house.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I mean, it's so disturbing to when you see photos
of the house, it's like completely hoarded. It looks abandoned. Honestly,
you can't believe people are living there at all. What's
concerning to me is like, obviously these kids are not
enrolled in school, right, which is a conversation we were
having last week. What are the checks and balances that
need to be in place for people like this that
have children and aren't enrolling them in school and nobody
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is checking up on them at all. And I saw
in the news that these kids were all born at hospitals,
so it's not even like they were being born in
secret and nobody knew they existed. I mean, there's some
record of them being alive.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, there also was evidence that at some point at
least one of the children were enrolled in a school,
so that the parents' name came up at the school
for at least one of the children. So, but I
was talking about this on YouTube live. Actually, like when
I homeschooled the kids. Lillian had went to preschool at
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the public school in our town, and then when I
decided to homeschool her, all I had to do was
write a letter to the superintendent saying I'm taking my
kid out of the school system and I'm homeschooling her.
And that's the last I ever heard from them. They
never contacted me, asked me anything about my other kid
that I had in a hospital that I never sent
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to school until she was in first grade. So it
just depends on what state you're living in, like what
the laws are, But in New Jersey they're super chill.
You don't even have to prove that you're teaching your
kid anything. And it's just so insane to me, and
I mean, obviously, like I was doing the right thing,
and Jen our friend jen Is has been homeschooling her
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kids the whole time, and she's doing the right thing.
But there's definitely people out there like this that clearly
aren't and they fall through the cracks.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So some background on these people is that it was
a family involved in the abuse. So at first, when
you see the headline had sixteen kids are found in
a room, It's like you automatically think to were these kids'
kidnap where they consider missing? No, it was like this
horrible family in charge of this. So it was the
mother and father and the paternal grandparents in charge of this.
Recent reporting came out that the parents were in fact
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the biological parents of all sixteen kids. There are some
reports going around that they had twenty children at some point,
So like, where are the four other kids?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Did they die? This is what I was thinking, because
the investigators had said some of the cops were just like,
we're lucky we got there when we did, because some
of these children were going to die within a day
or two. And I'm thinking, well, if they've been living
there for four years, you didn't just happen to show
up on the right day, Like there's been kids dying
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throughout this time, there has to be yeah, how are
they near death and you just so happened to show
up on that particular day.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
People claiming to be family members of these people have
said there were twenty children at one point, so like,
I don't know if that's true or an exaggeration or what,
but if that is true and the number is twenty,
there's four unaccounted.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So the people that are involved in this are a
mother and father who are technically these children's grandparents, who
are seventy three and sixty seven years old, so it's
clearly not their children. And then their son is thirty
six years old and he married a woman who's thirty
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three years old at this time. Now there's lots of
stories going around online with people that know them that
said that she just because the child, I mean, you
could do the math. The oldest kid found was eighteen
years old, so she at least was having this kids
from the time that she was fourteen or fifteen years old.
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But because they're saying that there might have possibly been
more children, a lot of people are saying that she
got pregnant the first time when she was thirteen years
old and she married this guy when she was only
fifteen years old and he was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, and then her family members are saying that she
was fully indoctrinated by these people. So I'm like, what
does that mean? Like was this their grand plan to
have all these children this whole time? Is this some
weird cult they belong to? Like what is going on
behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I have no idea. I have no idea what to
even think, but it's it's it's an interesting thing because
if you think about somehow that this woman as a
young teenager thirteen years old, I mean, Lilian's thirteen years old,
she certainly is nowhere near making I mean she knows
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what's right and wrong and stuff. But if you think
about if she moved in with some adults that were
manipulating her and stuff, I think that she would easily
be able to be talked into things that she didn't
really want to do or didn't think was right. I
don't know, like where are her parents, Like a thirteen
year old child is married or getting married in a
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couple of years to the son and living at the
house with these people, Like she's still a child. It's listen,
I'm sorry, but there should be no laws in the
entire United States of America that children could get married.
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
No, I agree, it is totally ridiculous. And like, did
you see the before and after picture of her?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Now?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay, so Lauren actually posted this picture that I guess
this girl's mother had posted wishing her happy birthday on
Facebook a couple of years ago, where she has a
full faced, blonde hair. She looks like put together. And
then when you see this mugshot of her, I was like,
is her hair wet or greasy in this mugshot? I
think it's greasy hair like. She looks totally disheveled. The
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question is tru.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Is that it's possible that she's a victim of the
abuse as well.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That's exactly what I was just gonna say. There's a
question of is she a victim in this whole thing
as well? I mean, who wants to give birth up
to twenty times? I did it one time and I'm
good for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I mean, this seems absolutely horrible. Yeah, I mean people
do by choice, but it just it's it just seems
there's something off obviously there's something off.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But something they noted too was when they arrested her,
she asked She continually asked about the children and how
they were doing, which I don't think the other people did,
and they don't often see in child abuse keeps.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
So when they were found, like she wasn't in the
cage with the children, it just was the children. They
weren't in cages. That I think that was like a
small like a the room is like a cage, That's
what I mean. Like, yeah, she wasn't in there with
the kids, but I mean she could be a victim
in the sense if they have a psychological hold over her.
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God knows what's going on inside the house, Like I
don't know, Like I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't want to say their way because we don't
know all the information going on, But it to me
her asking about the welfare of the children. I don't
think many child abusers would not to say that they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
But they're saying that every one of those children are
from this guy's son and not are from the guy.
Because I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Like that's what I was wondering if the older man
was part of the abuse too. They're saying like, as
of now, what's being reported is that biologically all of
the children belong to the two younger people.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Okay, but that's like that's how can it be true?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Like I'm just saying, like, how can these two older
people be involved to this extent and not also be
abusing this woman in this way?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, So, I mean, we'll we'll stay on top of
this case. And because these I mean, one of the
children were actually put on a ventilator, there's a possibility
that that child might not even survive. They're in critical condition.
There's just going to be so much more to this case.
So awful.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I just don't I just don't understand, Like, especially you know,
being a good person everything. It's like the thought of
child abuse cases really is upsetting in general, But now
that it's like I have a baby. I look at
him every day, I look at his inn face.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I just don't understand how you can do something like this. Well,
there's clearly some mental health thing going on there. I
don't know if there's drugs. I mean, does the girl
look like she's on drugs or she just looks they
all look like they're on drugs. I mean, I mean
it just could be anything. Listen, Like, we take road
trips all the time and sometimes I drive through it's
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where was this? Did this happen?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
This was in Ohio, I think south of Columbus, just
south of Columbus.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Like West Virginia. I remember driving through there and just
being like, I couldn't even believe these houses on the
side of the road that there were cars out front,
because it just looked like a human wouldn't even live
in it. It was just such a shack. And you're
just like, and I see them in other states too,
but you're just like, Okay, sometimes you see play toys
outside and you think, like, God, children live here right
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now in this situation. So it happens. And I think
the mayor of that little town that they were living
in said that he would go by the house every
once in a while to make sure that they were
cutting their weeds and stuff and like taking care of
the house because it was that bad. But nobody even
knew that there were kids living there.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And I'm wondering about the investigation that led them there,
like what were they I think they were looking into
the hand thirty seven year old man for a public kid.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It says for public indecency charges.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh oh that's great, So like, what's up with that? Yeah,
what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
And then how do you lead?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
How does that lead to a search warrant of their
whole entire house.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, there's just like I'm really curious like all this
other stuff that's going to come out. So we'll talk
about this more later when we get more info.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
All right, So we were wondering what the new haunt
of virus or a bola was going to be in
the media, and now it's this explosive diarrhea of parasite.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So we were talking who were we talking about this
with recently that we were just like, oh, remember the
haunt of virus was like the biggest thing ever. It
like completely fell off. I haven't even heard anything about it.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
It's just like it's just so funny and you're just like, Okay,
what's the next thing they're going to jump on? So
this is a cyclosporosis like this, this is a kind
of para I guess it's considered a parasite that you
would get parasitic infection that causes explosive diarrhea A lot
of times. It's something maybe if I think one of
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my friends went on a trip to Thailand and she
ended up getting this, and she was like, God, I
really have diarrhea from like eating the food over there,
and then like she got tested and had this and
it's easy. It. It doesn't usually make people super sick,
but you can get super sick from it. It's just
more like abdominal pain, like that, oh, I have to
poop and then all of a sudden it like blows out,
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like a true blowout. But there's been there's clearly something
causing it, because there's been one hundred and forty five
cases is within the past like two months, right, so
so and they said especially in Michigan. So I would
say that it's likely like some kind of vegetables that
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were getting from the grocery store that aren't washed properly
because you're you're it's a fecal oral contact. But it's
not like you. The the spores have to live in
the environment, so it's not like I don't know. Let's say,
for example, you have it and you poop and don't
wash your hands good, and then you prepare food and
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someone eats the food like it needs to beat in
the environment. Too long. They you wouldn't get it that way,
so it has to be something like maybe it's on
fruits or vegetables that are out in the field and
the field workers are shitting outside, like this is a
common thing. This is why they tell you to like
french your vegetables off. So this is kind of cool
though with the CDC does it's like epidemiology stuff. It's
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the same thing that happened with the Haunt of viral
It's like when all these people in the United States
get this infection from time to time, but then when
you have lots of reports of it, because what happens
is you and this has probably happened to some of
you that are listening, but you have an episode of
diarrhea for a week or two weeks, and then you're like, Okay,
this is more than just a typical thing, like something's wrong.
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And I go to the doctor and they want to
do a stool sample and you have to poop in
that weird little pan thing. Yeah, and they give you
a couple of little containers and one of them is
called OVA and parasites. So some of them are looking
for bacterial infections like equal eye or something like that Shigella,
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salmonella is something like that, and then the OVI and
parasites is looking for things like this. So when those
cases pop up in a microbiology lab, they report them
to the CDC, and then the CDC all of a
sudden is like, oh shit, we just got one hundred
and forty five reports in this little cluster. The same
thing is actually happening in New York right now, like
a cluster of Legionnaire's disease that's happening. So there's been eight,
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i think a bunch of confirmed cases and deaths from it.
And initially that when that bacterial infection was first realized,
it was in Philadelphia. And the reason that it's called
Legionnaire's disease is because there was a Legionaire like convention
in Philadelphia and all of these guys got sick at
that and they figured out, okay, they're all staying in
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the same hotel, and then they figured out it was
coming from the air conditioning units. So like it. It's
really cool how they track down exactly where it's coming from,
and we could potentially be seeing like a recall of
something at some point, you know, when they say throw
all your lettuce out or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But it's it's always so long. I just got to
recall from Amazon for a grill cleaning brush that Ricky
bought in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Oh, and that's you know what that's probably from because
there's been cases of people having perforations because the brushes
are getting the bristles getting dislodged, and they're eating the
bristle inside of a hamburger and that little metal piece
it's like a metal wire essentially, people are eating it
and it's like popping through their esophagus or their intestines.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But that's five years ago. I'm like, I asked him
about it. He's like, I got rid of that like
three years ago. Yeah, even been using.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He's like, and half the bristles were gone and we
ate them and we were fine, we ate all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Something you just said earlier, I want to point out,
so you just said something about having diarrhea for one
to two weeks and then going to the doctor. Like,
I feel like, if you're having it more than a
couple of days, you should go to the doctor. I
believe this article said these symptoms could last up to
a month. Can you imagine having explosive diarrhea for a
whole month.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing that's like the
weird thing when you get diarrhea, because when you get diarrhea,
it's your body trying to tell you something. Some people
just get it if they have bad nerves or something
like that. But like, you really aren't supposed to take
things like emodium ad to stop yourself from pooping because
if it is an infection and like you want to
clear it out. So it's just but also I've trust me,
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I've been there several times with certain kinds of infections
that you're like I can't even drive to pick my
kids up from school because I'm gonna shit my pants,
Like I have to take some kind of drug to
stop this. So so yeah, like it it would suck,
But I think surely in like a week, I would
be like, Okay, something's wrong. You know. I really feel
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like if you have it more than two or three days,
it's like, eh, you better, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's just a really long time to be experiencing something
like that and uncomfortable. But we were just talking about
this before we recorded. Though, you just have somebody in
your life always that is in total denial and will
not go to the doctor like they would rather have
been near death experience, just like nip something in the
bud right when it starts.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's like so insane. Also for some people, just having
to like collect your poop like that gives people a
lot of anxiety. I have some friends that just I
don't want to do that because they're like, oh my god,
I have to go in this cop and you know,
I mean, it's gross, But what do you get, Doe.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Speaking of parasites, this woman discovered nearly forty parasites in
her brain after a trip to India. So she's saying
it happened back in two thousand and seven. She went
on a three month trip to India for work. She
intentionally avoided eating meat, but then believed she had port
contaminated with microscopic tapeworm eggs, and then her symptoms didn't
start appearing for three years. And this is where I
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questioned the story because this article said she first realized
something was wrong when she discovered a quote meter long
tapeworm after going to the toilet that's like three feet long.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, they are, what, Yes, so you just pooped out
like a three foot long yes worm, Yes, I might
mind this float. But it's actually so this is like
the tapeworm, the same one you could get from if
you eat poor that isn't cooked all the way okay,
But if you if you eat pork that's not cooked
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all the way, you're ingesting the cyst So then you
could get the tapeworm like faster. It goes like directly
in your body, and you could get the tapeworm. But
in this situation, you're ingesting the eggs before it it
has already kind of formed, and you're ingesting in a
different portion of the life cycle of the parasite. So
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that's why it takes so long. I can't but listen.
Like she's in the UK, which is like essentially the
same as being in the US. If you're in the
US and you're having symptoms that are very unusual and
you get a brain scan and they see that you
have these this parasite inside of your brain, they're automatically
going to be like, where did you travel, because it's
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just like it's rare, it's rare to happen here, so
they're going to be like where did you travel? Oh,
I went to India two years ago and go that's
where you got it. Like that's that's how they figure
out right away.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
It's crazy it takes that long to detail it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, it really is, because you could go on a
trip and think that you're totally fine for years and
then all of a sudden and she has she's gonna
have life, like lifelong complications because of this. She has epilepsy.
Now she has to take anti Caesar or medication they
told her for the rest of her life. They gave her.
So they gave her medication because they can't really go
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in your brain and like remove all of this stuff,
so they give you medication to basically kill it. But
they stay in your body and they calcify because your
body recognizes them as foreign and attacks it. And they're
dead now and not moving inside of your body, so
they just calcify. But that, you know, you don't really
want like huge calcifications of dead worms inside of your brain,
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you know. I mean.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
The timeline of this is just crazy because she's saying
she goes on this trip in two thousand and seven
and then not until twenty and ten that she poops
out this three foot long tapeworm in the toilet at
a restaurant, and then the next year she starts having
headaches and then she has a seizure, and then that's
when they find all of the other ones in her brain.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So then after that she says, this is what I'm
curious about, Like if she if she pooped out the tapeworm,
did she she seek treat me me? Yeah, Like that's
what I don't really understand about it. But well, I'll
have to look into that more. I suppose I just
thought of that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Now, going back to people that are in medical denial,
you also know a couple of people in our immediate
family that would probably poop out a three foot tape
worm and just be like I'm fine, I don't feel
sick good.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I remember that. Remember when when I was working at
the one hospital that lady had cats and then she
caught she was like, oh, I have a kit and
in my yard and I took it. Yeah, and it
was like I didn't like adopt it, like I took
like a like a kitten from someone's yards. So it
wasn't it didn't go to a vet yet. And the
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very first day we had it home, it like threw
up a bunch, like a whole thing of worms and
I was like, oh my god, and then like I
brought it to the vet and everything like that. But
it's just like so that would freak me out so much.
I don't know. She probably like also when you have
a tapeworm, because you know that people do this like
tapeworm diet, that you could intentionally injustice, like it helps
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you lose weight, because like she should have been losing
a significant amount of weight too, because it's a parasite
and it's literally living off of you, and you know
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So you think she was like, damn, I'm looking dat
I'm not taking care.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Of one of the one of the old specimens in
one of the labs that I was rotating at as
a student had a jar of a tapeworm from somebody
and it is so disturbing. It looks like like like
a like a sewing measuring tape or something like. It's
like that long and big.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Basically didn't On YouTube live, we had that video of
somebody was selling pens that had tapeworms and oh yeah,
and you could see it moving around.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Now I think that was that was just the that
was like a little round worm or something like that.
But that was super cool. I was like, I want
that pen.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
So basically, after she had the seizure and they found
the rest of them in her brain, then she went
on MIDS and it seemed okay for a couple of years,
but then she collapsed at work a couple of years later,
so she had to move in with her parents. She
said she started acting like a child behaviorally, and then
she eventually recovered and she said she's not had any
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surgery surgery to take them out of her brain, but
apparently they just die and they calcify, So right now
they've calcified and she's not having problems at the moment.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah. So I'm just wondering because because when you have
the larvae the worms like in your body, they could
travel to your brain and then they could they could
kind of like they're called like a cyst because it
grows a bat there's like a barrier that grows around
it and it forms almost like a cyst. So I'm
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wondering if, even if she did get treatment, if they're
kind of protected and kind of dorm it there. But
I don't I don't think so like, I feel like
if she got treatment for the actual worms, that would
probably have covered it. I just don't see if she
realized that she pooped out a tapeworm that she wouldn't
have got treatment, or maybe she didn't get a strong
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enough treatment or something, because maybe that was the only
one that came out and then she took you know how,
sometimes they're like, take antibiotics for two weeks and then
people feel better the day later and they're like, I'm
good and don't finish or something like that. This is
a little bit different because you would take a different
medication because it's a parasite and not a bacteria. But
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I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
This episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room guys.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
This week in the gross Room, we've been talking about
parenting influencers. There's been a lot of cases of these
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In this particular one that we're dissecting this week is
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and her thirteen year old daughter died this They had
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Speaker 2 (27:58):
There was another case in the news this week too,
and it's kind of essentially the same exact thing.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, I can't believe there's three parasite stories in the
news just within a one week period that are okaty crazy.
So this guy's doctors believed he had brain cancer, but
it turned out to be live tapeworms in his brain.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It's but it's the same exact thing this woman had,
but in this case it's a little bit different because
he's in Spain and this this particular pork tapeworm is
not is not there either, like it like it would
be here. So they say did Yeah, So they're like,
where did you go? And he's like, I haven't traveled.
So now they're just trying to figure out, well, how
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the hell did you get this? Because this is weird
here and like no one else has gotten it, so
where did he get it from? It's really bizarre. The
only the only possibility really is that someone that he
lives with traveled and had it and there was some
kind of fecal oral contamination from that person pooping out
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the eggs. Wow, that's the only thing I could But
that's the only thing that I could think of, because
if it's not endemic there then then it would kind
of be impossible.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
So in this case, he said he went to the
hospital after suffering progressive headaches and mild behavioral changes over
a two week period, and then CT scan showed multiple
abnormal spots that looked like tumors that had spread from
cancer elsewhere in his body, leading them to suspect that
he had advanced brain cancer. And then, however, whole body
scans of colonoscopy and specialized imaging failed to identify cancer
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anywhere in his body. So then that's what made them
realize that what was actually going I wonder.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
If they actually they probably did a biopsy of it, honestly,
if they if that and listen, like, this has happened
several times at work that I told you it happened
with Andrea that we got a brain tumor specimen. She
was she was like thirty eight weeks pregnant, and we
got a brain tumor specimen. And when she caught and
(30:00):
they looked at it under the microscope, it was actually toxoplasmosis,
which is really bad for pregnant people, pregnant women to
be you know, breathing in right.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, it's by the station changed like cat litter or
anything exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
And she was cutting a frozen section. So when you
do that, you know those little flakes like come up
in the air. And I remember she called her obstetrician
and said she was just like, I have a really
weird question for you. I've known like exposure to toxoplasmosis.
And then the doctor was just like, well, I don't
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know if I've ever had anybody asked me that question.
I'll have to call you back. But because she was
so far along, it was fine because they're like, you're
delivering soon, and it's more for like birth defects, especially
like early on in the pregnancy. So but obviously she
was freaking out about it. But there's so many times
that we get specimens that they think is a tumor
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and then it turns out that it's not. It's not
a tumor, it's it's like some kind of weird infection.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I kind of can't believe that quote hasn't come up
in the almost what three years we've.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Been doing this show, because I'm glad I finally could
use it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I feel like in our family we use it a lot,
which is a weird quote. And then when I had
my pituitary I don't know, but we are throwing it
around a lot. I just can't believe it hasn't come
up all right. So we referenced this story last week
in a question, but we never really talked about it.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
You know why we didn't talk about it because you
in the question. The whoever was asking us the question
was asking something about a baby being found in a
porta potty. I asked yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
They asked, why do they say full term fetus?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So was I yeah. And then when we when we
were done recording, like, I don't know, I guess I
read another story on the news, and then I didn't
realize that this was a new story, because remember that
happened this year, that that there was a baby that
was found in the blue water and they found the
blue water in the baby's lungs and they determined that
that's how the baby died, That the baby drowned in
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this I think when that body, it's like the same story.
So I just thought it was she was talking about
an old story.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I think what happened is this story or I read
this email either the night before we recorded. I think
you already picked the stories and then I added it
in last minute, and I texted you about it, but
you thought it was the older one, so you didn't
realize it was a new one. But I like put
it in the links and then there was just confusion
to the back end of what was going on.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I just can't imagine that this happened, that this has
happened more than once, yeah, one year.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
In this case, this baby was found at the Electric
Forest Festival in a porta potty. They said the baby
was discovered in the camping area of the festival by
an employee of the restroom vending company, and then as
of reporting yesterday, they determined to the baby was born
alive and fluid was found inside the baby's lungs and stomach.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's the same exact situation. They the blue I mean, god,
god knows what fluid not not only the blue porta
potty fluid, but like you're in shit whatever else is
in the porta potty. So this is my this is
my thought, Like I think it's a situation where there's
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like these people that they just don't I didn't know
I was pregnant. They get into this really bad pain,
they go to take a shit in the porta potty,
like they don't I don't know that they don't realize
that they just gave birth, but they're like kind of
completely mentally out of it. It's just because because like
what else could be the explanation? Well, yeah, let me.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I actually found something somebody talking about this on social
media that they like witnessed what happened. And I don't
know if this is true or not, but I did
see this on x SO. Somebody said I saw the woman,
dark clothing and neon accessories. She was headed straight towards
the porta potties, not talking to anyone or looking around,
clearly pregnant. I thought she just had to go badly
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or something. She was completely focused, almost like she knew
exactly what she was there to do. She stopped in
front of one of the porta potties for a few seconds,
said some gibberish, and then slowly opened one of the
doors and went in. I was like, what did she
just say? Almost immediately I heard loud moaning, more gibberish
from her porta potty. It was like she was performing
some kind of ritual in there. And then minutes later
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she came out crying, just started holding her stomach. There
was liquid coming out. I thought she had pissed herself.
Then she turned walked away without saying a word. So
that was what somebody claimed they witnessed happening.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean, like it sounds pretty specific and why would
anybody make that up?
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Well, yeah, and let me see. Hold on, I actually
have the screenshot of this. Let me check the date
and see if this person maybe when they posted it,
so it said there's no date on it exactly, but
super weird. They said she just basically disappeared after it,
And I guess nobody thought to check that she just
gave birth, because why would you think somebody would just
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go in the porta potti and give birth?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Right, you just have to be like high on drugs,
are totally checked out of like reality of what's happening.
I mean, why are you going this?
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Like to me, I don't really know anything about this,
but it looks like one of those like rave festivals
where you would go only to do acid and like
dance in a bunch of neon lights like somabe, why
are you going they're so pregnant?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Maybe because I'm telling you, like people are in denial
and checked out, and like if that's if that account
from a witness is true. It's just like she looks
at the person is like they're obviously pregnant. But like
think about that case with that Lake and Snelling girl
and stuff that we don't really know if she was,
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Like by all accounts, she didn't act like she was
pregnant when everyone around her was like she looked pregnant.
She did, we saw the pictures of her, But yeah,
she didn't. She didn't acknowledge it at all, Like she
didn't tell her friends, like like she was walking around
like nothing was wrong. Like people get completely in denial
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and checked out and scared or whatever and just like
block it out and pretend like it's not happening. Yeah,
and people do that for all sorts of different things,
not just not just pregnancy. But that's all I could
think of, is that, Like, I mean, she's there wearing neon,
she's there at a party, like she doesn't Maybe she
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just like was so checked out. I don't know. Not
that pregs can't have a good time.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'm just saying, as a person that was just very pregnant,
it just seems like an unusual event to go to
when you're that far along. I'm just saying but like
maybe I'm lazy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I don't know. I mean I was going to fill before. Yeah,
but you don't like to go outside.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I go outside sometimes. But all right, let's get to
the listener question though, regarding this case. So we had
the question at first, which you thought was in reference
to the old story, but was actually a reference to this.
And then immediately when we wrapped, somebody else actually wrote
in this question. So this is from Renee. She said,
if the baby was in the innate, how would that
impact autopsy? If the baby was full term, does that
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make it easier or harder to dissect? Is that hospital
obligated to report the woman if they treat her for
postpartum care with no baby? This reminded me of the
maternal Instinct Taylor Parker situation, where the hospital took extra
precautions for infant safety.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So, yeah, if she showed up to the hospital and
clearly just gave birth and there was no baby, I'm
pretty I'm almost certain that that's reportable to the police,
especially like if you, like, if you're ten weeks pregnant,
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then I don't think so. Like if you're below twenty
two weeks, I don't think so. Because a lot of
time this happens. This, Like I know for a fact
because it's happened several times at my hospital. Like a
woman has a miscarriage and she's sitting on the toilet,
has a miscarriage and like freaks out and flushes the
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toilet and doesn't bring the products into the hospital with her.
But like, when you're far enough along that that child
could be viable, then they're gonna call the police and
be like, where's the kid?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
What do they do in situations like? All right, so
let's say you have a home birth that goes wrong
and you have to go to the hospital. Do they
then have to prove the baby is at the home
and alive and say I'm sure, I'm sure yeah, because
they'd have to write yeah, and I'm sure, I mean
I'm one hundred percent sure that they would do that
because that that could be a potential situation like this.
(38:46):
So so yeah, it doesn't matter if it's if it's
considered a fetus or an you know, I mean it
was full term, right, they said, yeah, full term? Well
they were calling it a full term fetus.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, that was the question. Last I get. I guess
that would be considered anything over thirty six weeks would
be considered full term. But no, I mean it doesn't
make it any easier or harder. It's it's easy. It's
honestly like a little bit easier to do an autopsy
on a fetus because the older that they get, you know,
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even when they're born, it's kind of easy still, but
the older that that a fetus and a baby gets there.
You know, when they're a fetus, their bones are all
they're not really ossified, they're all like cartilage. And then
as they get older, like even like Whelan's like still
like a lot of cartilage, you know, and as he
gets older, his bones will ossify and get all hardened
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and you know, like adult bones. Right. So when you
are doing an autopsy on a fetus, it's just easier
because the fontinelles aren't fused, so you know, like the
soft spot on his head, like he still has that,
like they're not fused, yets, so he doesn't have like
a rigid skull yet. Yeah, So it's just easier to
do on a fetus or even a newborn, but their
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earlier fetus even easier. When we have to remove the ribs,
it's the same thing. It's just easier to do, Like
you could do a scissors instead of a bone saw,
but we would still do the same exact thing, and
especially if it's full term. It I mean, that's it
makes it pretty clear, like that, it's easy to figure
out what happened because the organs are very developed and
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it's just very easy to look and see that there's
not only fluid in the lungs grossly, but then microscopically
they would I mean, if it was in a porta
potty that's been used, you're gonna see evidence of like
plant cells, meat cells, like which is shit, someone shit
inside the lungs, which is terrible because it means that
the baby was born alive and it was breathing that
(40:48):
stuff in which which just like is ridiculous. But it's
so awful. It is awful. It's it's awful. It's all
awful to abandon your baby. But just like that, I
just think that it's like it has to be. It
has to be like almost non intentional, meaning like that
persons so checked out they didn't even realize that that happened,
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whether they're high or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I mean, if you're going through with the pregnancy, I
just don't understand. Like, I understand totally people that don't
want to keep the kid, I understand that, but like,
I just don't understand why you could do the bare
minimum and try to give the kid a better life
or something like to kill them in that way is
so unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
I just can't I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I couldn't believe it before and now I just really
can't believe it that I'm a mother, Like I just
this It's like so awful. I feel like the whole
theme of this episode is like medical denial.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
It's so weird. Yeah, it's true. I even remember one day.
I mean, I wonder if medical professionals see this lot.
I even remember one day going to one of my
appointments on maternal feed on Medicine and just making comment like, yeah,
I just can't believe I'm pregnant. The lady being like,
but you.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Know you're pregnant, right, And I was like, yeah, I'm
just saying because like it took three years to get here.
I'm not like in denial it's happening. I'm just saying,
like I can't believe that it's finally happening. Yeah, but
it was weird because I'm like, do people go in
and they're just into complete denial? But whatever, I mean,
clearly people are at some point.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
This next one was also set and by a listener,
was just an older story. I don't think we covered it, yeah,
because I'm so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well it's not only is it outrageous, No, you know what.
I feel like I might remember something of it, but
I don't think we covered this. It happened like not
even an hour from my house. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know. Like when I was reading, I was like,
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maybe I don't know, but just tell them the story
because it's a good one.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Well, if somebody is like listening back to older episodes,
let us know if we covered this, because I think
this happened last year. I tried looking in our archives
if we did, and it wasn't coming up. So I mean,
we could have very well covered it. But basically, this
New Jersey woman was arrested for harboring a fugitive in
a fatal Manchester shooting, and when they were going through
her phone, they found a photo of her and the
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fugitive posing with dismembered body parts.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
So it said it was an individual who was clearly.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Deceased, amputated at the top of his legs with a
hatchet in his chest.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, and she was like holding the hatchet that was
in his chest. Could you imagine the investigators like going
through a phone and seeing that. No.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And then this incident also resulted in a seven hour
police stand off with the fugitive resulting in him shooting
himself in the head. So this listener to Lena wrote
in and said, love the podcast. I accidentally discovered it
on the Elvis Duran replay channel and had been obsessed
ever since.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
The thanks.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
So she said, this is an old story, but the
two year anniversary is coming up those fourth of July weekend.
This happened down the street from me as I was
coming home from work and my boyfriend was home at
the time with no knowledge this was going on in
the middle of the day. This house has since been gutted, renovated,
and re sold, and I wonder every if the current
owners know what happened in the house.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
So she said it was two years ago. Yeah, did
you look back two years or one year? No? I
looked back through all I thought you just said it
was last year yeah, thank you for bringing this to
our attention because it is outrageous. Listen, this is also
just a reminder of like cops, first responders and like
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the crazy shit they see. These three stories between imagine
showing up at a house and seeing sixteen live children
shelved in a room that's twelve by twelve. Number two.
Imagine going through someone's phone in an investigation and coming
across pictures like this, Like there's pictures in people's phone
(44:46):
of like them with their kids and them like their
food they ate and all this stuff, and seeing some
disturbing ass shit like that, and then like looking at
the people that are sitting right next to you that
actually did that and thinking how sick they are. And
then what was the other case that we just talked
about that find? You know, going on a case I'll
call that, you're going to a festival because someone just
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found it a fetus attached to a placenta in a
porta potty. Like they see like the most disturbing shit
ever every single day, and then you know they're supposed
to just be like normal people, go home and be
normal people. It's just like hard to transition. Sometimes they
see like the worst of society.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Speaking of that, I watched that Worst Neighbor Ever show
on Netflix because I was like, I saw it keeps
being in the number one spot, so I'm like, all right,
I'll check it out. And some of the cases they
covered in this, Like the first one was this lady
was totally crazy living across the street from these people
and kept calling the police on them all the time
for anything they did. And then they and then they
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were like calling the police back, being like my grandson
is out in the yard playing and this woman is
mewing her lawn completely naked. They had a picture of
her with her shirt off, just standing there like this
staring at them. Can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I wonder how they do that show, like legally, I
don't know, like because they have to get permission to
use those photos and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well, the lady's in jail, so I don't know, like
if it was part of the show, this is all
her rights, because I don't know if the pictures were
part of the she like ended up shooting the two people.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I can't believe this lady. Do you remember when we
lived in Audubon that lady that lived there was some
lady that like lived across the way from us, and
she was just like, I don't know, she was like
on something or whatever. She was. She didn't have a job,
and she just like stayed at home and talked to
us all day. But she like, I don't know what
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was happening there. But one day she came over and
was showing us like this invention she made. Do you
remember this? And it we lived on the main road, yeah,
and it was it was She's like, she comes over
and it's like a bunch of PVC pipe. It's like
a PVC pipe basically with like a hook on the
(47:11):
end of it. And I was like, what is this
And she's like, it's a scrunchy holder.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Wait.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
She was like trying to get a patent for it.
Wait in the White House, I don't know, not directly
next door, it was like across the street kind of
like I don't remember this at all. Yeah, I'll have
to ask Annie about it. And I was like, and
this was like in two thousand and eight or nine,
(47:38):
in eight or nine, So there was a period like
I think scrunchies are probably popular again, but there was
a period that it was just like, Okay, these are
the corniest things ever, and anybody that uses these are
like so ten years ago or fifteen years ago, you
know what I mean, you know how like things fall
out a trend. And I just was like looking at
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this lady, and I'm like, you are clinically insane, Like
you're trying to sell a piece of PBC pipe and
sell it as a scrunchy holder right now.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
That's why Berger broke up with Carrie, if you recall,
because when she read his novel, she said it was
perfect except that the main girl wore.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
A scrunch Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
It was also Sex and the City related is she said,
remember the episode where her shoes got stolen and she
said she was worried she had triggernosis. And then Ranna
was like, that's from port two relevant stories that of
tied to Sex and the City. I don't remember this
at all, but I was only like fourteen when that
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must have happened.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
So, you know, Sex and the City was like the
best show ever, and now I have like a different
feeling about it because of the sequels.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
I mean, and just I guess I really started tanking
with the second movie.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, that was like that was like a push they
should have stopped there.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
You know, I heard rumors of why they were gonna
make a Sex in the City three movie, and I
heard rumors. I don't don't know if this is true
that what's her name?
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Who plays Samantha?
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Why can't my brain is so fried right now. The
actress that play Samantha would not do it because A.
Kim Contrell hated Sarah Jessica Parker A, so I'm sure
that was a huge contributing factor. And then b allegedly
the script was that Samantha was going to have an
affair with Miranda's son. Oh yeah, I heard that, and
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she was like, I'm not doing that, and then that's
why they scrapped the movie, which I think everybody couldn't
believe that at the time. I don't know if it's
one hundred percent true, But then after seeing the atrocity
that wasn't just like that, I think maybe we could
believe they would try to pull some outrageost that.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
That was absolutely terrible.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
It was terrible, but I miss it because I like
loved hate watching it. Now now I wonder if we
went too hard on it, because I would like to
keep hate watching it.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't know It's a fine line when you try
to get someone canceled because they suck so bad, but
then when they actually get canceled, it's like, h I
miss that.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
No, I do miss it, all right, especially Treit what
was her name, Chaye Diez for that horrible thing. Remember
them for calling it a comedy concert. Nobody calls it that.
Oh my god, the writing was so terrible. I don't
how did that show even come into play?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
Alright, we have one last submission from Gina, who's a
grocery member. She said the missing jet skier reminded me
of the recent tragedy in my city. A mother and
her daughters were in kayaks and inflatable tubes on a
lake and didn't realize the lake was damned due to
heavy rain. The spillway was open, and it pulled them over,
killing three of them and leaving one survivor.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Oh my god, so horrible. That's the thing, like they
just you can't just go do shit like that.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
This is why I encourage everybody to not go outside.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yeah, good, good word of advice. Can't somebody?
Speaker 1 (50:54):
I feel like somebody could design us a cool T shirt.
That's like I don't know how to do it, or
I would do it myself. About being anti outside, there
could be a cool way to portray this on a shirt.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
I know that there's other people that are like that. Well,
your sister Lucia is like that. Thank God. She just
says like, I'm completely fine if I don't ever go outside,
and she goes outside and screams over every like a
fly's I had these kids both in the dirt when
they were little kids, from the time they were little
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outside playing trying to get with one with nature, and
they just they just well, Lillian's more into it, Lucia, Nope.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I mean my friend Lisa Ribakoff, who is a lie
detector specialist, has mocked up an Airbus allegiance shirt for
us to since we're both pretty anti boeings. She's pretty amazing.
I think we should get them going. I think a
lot of people will be on our side. Okay, guys,
with that said, we hope you had a great Fourth
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Ciya, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As
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Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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