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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. It was Easter a
couple days ago, and we have not one, but two
stories involving death and Easter egg hunts. We have the
latest with the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping, an update on a
story we brought you last week about Perez Hilton, and
a case coming out of New York City involving a
luxury birthing center and a woman who claims she brought
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something home besides her new baby. We'll finish up with
your questions and comments. All that and more on today's episode. Okay,
so there's been another update on Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, Savannah Guthrie returned to The Today Show yesterday and
then convene. A new ransom note just happened to drop
to TMZ.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Right, yeah, so this one. So Ashley Banfield is saying
that this new note, the FBI is saying that they
believe some of these notes are real.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, there's been speculation about that along the way, and
I saw commentary from a woman that used to work
in the CIA also that said technically the FBI needs
to treat all of them as credible until proven otherwise,
because you really just don't know. And obviously these are
really hard to track because of the routes in which
people are going about it. I mean, they're requesting the
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money via bitcoin accounts, which are hard to tract. They're
most likely using VPNs or encrypted chats or whatever. But
this person seemed to say that, no matter what, the
FBI was able at some point, whether it took a
couple minutes or a couple months to get back to
who it was in the first place. But this note
in particular is weird because they're claiming that they saw
Nancy alive in Mexico at some point and they now
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say she's dead. They claim to know all the information
about the kidnappers, and they criticize the FBI for not
taking the other one seriously. I think the weirdest thing
about this note, however, is there only asking for half
of a bitcoin, which is about thirty four thousand dollars.
But the Guthries have said they're willing to pay a
million dollars only.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A few weeks ago, So why are you asking for
so little? I think the plan is, if this is
all true, is that this person wants to just get
bitcoin and be completely undetected. I mean, listen, think about this.
The only person that's going to come for this reward
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is somebody that is not involved in this case at all,
that doesn't really have anything in the game, Like it's
not going to be Let's say, for example, a woman
knows that her son kidnapped her, Like, she's not going
to go and try to go get this reward because
that is all traced back. And I guess the whole
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point with the bitcoin is they want to get some
money out of it and just they think that they
could be completely undetected and not because like once you
go to the FBI or to Savannah and try to
get this huge reward, they're going to be like tracing
you and following you, and you might get in trouble
for not saying anything, like why would anybody do that?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, I understand that, but don't you also find it
a red flag that they were criticizing the FBI, Like
aren't the FBI not the leads on this case still
the Pima Sheriff County is who is the head of
this investigation, So, like I thought that was a weird tidbit,
like it's somebody that's not really in the know and
they just threw it out there to see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, I think if it comes to the letters though,
like that's an FBI thing, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I just think that they're criticizing them in particular, not
the whole operation, just from the tidbits I saw, and
it's all like, you know, people are criticizing TMZ, why
are you putting these notes out? Of course, this note
comes out the day she's trying to go back to
her normal life. I guess in theory her life is
never going to be normal again, right, But she's trying
to go back to some semblance of a routine and
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normalcy and everything, and then all of a sudden she's
on TV that morning trying to just do her job,
and then a new note drops. I mean, I feel like,
even if this note is real or not, you have
these bad faith actors working behind the scenes that just
want to terrorize them for no reason, and that's just
gonna keep happening.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I do think it's a little soon for her to
be going back to work, To be honest with you,
I know that people grieve in different ways, and it's
probably she's probably gotten advice that it's better for her
mentally to try to get back into the normal routine
of her life. But because it's so unsolved, and I
mean she just had that interview with how to the
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horrible interview she had with her SOA. It was so annoying,
but she seemed like really distraught. Obviously she would be.
And there's no nothing is different than the night that
she found out, Right, there's nothing resolved at all, So
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anytime something happens, it's going to come up and be raw,
Like how is she really going to be returning to
work if they're doing searches and arresting people? Still, it's
just too raw, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean how could she even report on other
true crime cases without the I mean, her mother's case
is truly most likely going to be the highest profile
true crime case of this year, right, and think about
all the other cases that are going to come up
that she has to cover on the Today Show and
not relive this horrific moment her family has just gone
through over and over and over again. I mean, maybe
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contractually she had to come back. We don't really know
what was going on. Behind the scenes. Obviously that would
make NBC seem like massive assholes if they made her
come back, which he's also getting paid a lot of money,
so we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.
The got threes also might know more information that is
not public yet where she's able to kind of I
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don't want to say this in an insensitive way, but
like move on right, like they have some.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Form of totally. I was thinking that too. I was
just like, they it's just annoying because they just release
It's even with the letters for TMZ. It's just like, listen,
if you're not going to tell us exactly what it says,
then don't even tell us you got them, like cause really,
why does the public even need to know at this point.
It's just kind of like this weird tease. And then
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the guy those that guy are the two guys that
are the TMZ the face of TMZ or whatever. It's
just like, oh, well, they're allowed to know what it says,
but we're not, like, well, it's only me.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's really bad, like it's only benefiting them though, because
they're getting clicks. I feel like I read somewhere yesterday
that the TMZ website app only came out in like
the mid to late early two thousands, and when Michael
Jackson had died, it literally crashed. It was like the
most traffic that their website ever had because they reported
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it and nobody could believe it. So think of the
traffic they get on a daily basis. Because they are
a news outlet that is typically reporting things first, and
we have to remember, like they're not on like National
Inquirer or some of these other like tabloid standards of
not really getting any sources. TMZ is actually considered a
pretty credible news source to actually make sure to check
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in and get multiple sources before reporting something. So I
always try to consider that because I always saw them
as being this really salacious outlet, But now that I
kind of know how they work behind the scenes, I'm like,
they definitely are exploiting people to some extent, obviously, but
they are doing the due diligence behind the scenes with
their reporting. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I feel like when the whole Nick Reiner thing happened
and Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered, they were
the first ones to come out and say it very
early on that there was something that happened there and
then it didn't come out on other news outlets for
a while, and you have to think, like putting something
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like so crazy out there, you have to be sure
that you're right. But they have sources inside everywhere, and yeah,
I think that people frown upon TMZ and you're just
kind of like NAD. They kind of are getting the
same information that quote legitimate newsplaces are getting.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They are, but you have to think about traditional media
and how they work. I mean, we're living in a
day and age where something can be on social media
literally thirty seconds after it happens, and when it doesn't
show up on a real news outlet for five hours,
that's annoying as a consumer.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Well, there's people who So there's legitimate reporters like Briant
and who he actually was on Joe Jackaloone show this week,
if you guys are interested, they I'm sure they're talking
about this same case and he works for News Nation,
but he's also like a legitimate reporter. And then there's
just YouTubers that are there and really they their life
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is dedicated to being there, so they're just staying there.
And yesterday apparently Tomato went to Nancy's house and one
of the YouTubers was like stalking him and driving around
following him, like he has to call the police and
say like, hey, this person's harassing me. You know, like
you can't be doing that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But if TMZ has like their network of internal sources,
I mean, could they are always a first report when
people die, when they're getting divorced, things like that. Like
I imagine in my mind they just have a full
time employee camped out at the courthouse, because otherwise, how
are they getting the information so quickly?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, because they have people on the inside, like cops
and stuff. Yeah, Like if you especially in La, I mean,
I know, for where we live, we could just listen
to the police scanners and the fire scanners. So I'm
assuming they have that kind of stuff too in La.
And you hear, oh, there's an ambulance called to this house.
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Like that's how I think like Lisa Mury Presley was
released because somebody knew that it was her address and
then you hear it over the scanner and you're just like, Okay,
well we know who lives at that address. There's just
people that dedicate their life to it. So that's how
they find out.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh yeah, and I guess if you want to go
back to like, even though they're reporting may have credible
sources behind the scenes, I mean morally we can say
they're not always doing the best thing. Like, if they
really cared morally about this situation with Nancy Guthrie, I
don't think they'd immediately publish the ransom notes. They would
hand them over to the family or the police and
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try to keep it under wraps.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The probably did, but they were also like, we're using
this and they have every right too. So what do
you think about Like, I feel like a lot of
people thought that it was a probability that she was
in Mexico just because it's so close to Tucson. I'm
just wondering it, like if the if the FBI, if
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because Ashley Banfield clearly has a person on the inside,
if the FBI really thinks that these letters are real
that particular, is that a state that they said that
it was in Mexico or something like? I wonder what
the population is and if they would be able to
just go there and try to figure that out. Is
it a very populated area, Is it not like things
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like that?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I don't know, and I feel like they have
to investigate it because if they really have no other information,
what's the harm in looking into it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, I mean, like what is how are they doing anything?
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But at what point is this considered a cold case officially?
Like they are, we have exhausted all options and we
just cannot find this lady.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know what exactly, like what the tipping point
would be for that. I mean, they've already cut back
so much on what they're doing, so I just think that, like,
if this was a normal person, this would already.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Be like well, of course, but because of how high
profile this is, they have to really look into everything.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, And it's like it's good in a sense the
amount of attention it's getting. Because we've talked about this before.
One of the most striking parts of going to crime
con is that they have a lot of information on
people who are currently missing. They have a whole entire
wall of people of photographs with information have you seen
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this person? Have you seen this person? And I met
a woman at last crime Con that came up to
me and just handed me a business card, and she
was a mom that her daughter was missing, and it
just upset me so much the rest of the day
after I met her, because she just had this like
look in her face of just like being alive but
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being dead. It just was so sad because like we're
we're witnessing it with Savannah, and it's and I'm sorry,
like the difference between your mom getting kidnapped versus your
child getting kidnapped is it's just different, right, It's still
And you look at Savannah and you're just kind of like,
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especially in those interviews, that that interview that she did
and stuff, and I'm looking at her just thinking like
how like you have to have intrusive thoughts all day
about the absolute worst things and then seeing like the
video with the actual guy and just like visualizing that
person hurting your mother and just repeating it and repeating it,
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but like never getting the of what actually happened, Like
did they find her body and do an autopsy and
figure out that she had a cardiac event and she
was likely dead within minutes of that her seeing an
intruder in her house versus was she taken and raped
for two weeks? You know, like those kinds of thoughts
and you get a lot of closure when at least
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you get the body back to an extent, because at
this point, she's decomposed beyond finding out a lot of
different answers for things like I mean, if she if
her body's like let's say, for example, in Tucson, outside,
she's skeletonized. At this point, there's no soft tissue. You
can't look at her heart and see what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, So even if they find her remains and we
still won't really know what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, I mean they could tell, like obviously, if her
bones are broken and stuff that, or she has shotgun wounds,
or she has knife marks on her bones, they'll be
able to tell if she suffered a traumatic event. But
not having soft tissue there is just rolling out a
lot of natural death stuff. It's rolling out a lot
of things that they'll never be able to get an
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answer to.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I think about this a lot like Elizabeth's Smart's dad
always said the worst part of it was just not
knowing what happened. Yeah, And obviously in their case it
ended up working out well for them where she was
returned right, not without a super traumatic experience. But I
can't imagine for all these families, And I wonder if
other families of kidnapping victims are outraged by the amount
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of media attention. This is getting or happy that light
is being brought to the situation and possibly helping others.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I don't know. It's another interesting thought is like the
person that did this, I really am starting to think
that they're they're sadistic, like trying they're actually getting off
on watching this woman be in pain. Like you could
have just walked in and killed the mind and that
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would have been upsetting, but this is like, think about
the worst thing you could do to a person and
and just so happened to be okay. So it looks
like she's putting a smile back on her face and
she's going to try to go back to work, like
let me ruin her day again. And it's like you
have to think, is this really someone that's trying to
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get back at her for causing them pain or perceived
pain that they think and who knows what that is?
That could be something personal that never happened on the air,
like we're always trying to say, oh, like the biggest
one that goes around is oh, she she interviewed these
Epstein victims and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I think they're well beyond that theory, you know, like
I feel like if well, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I mean that it's kind of like, you know how
you can connect all movies to Kevin Bacon. Yeah, there's
like that thing. I feel like you could connect like
everyone's trying to connect all of everything else to Epstein.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, totally, anything is still possible, but I think we
are definitely. I feel this is probably just going to
remain unsolved for the rest of our lives. But I
guess anything's.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Hopefully not okay. So Perez Hilton, we talked about him
a little bit last week.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so we talked about how he was in the
hospital for twenty one days because he had been taking
flu medication and he wasn't eating with it, so he
thought it was his fault that he ended up in
the hospital and developed an ulcer. And now last week
he reported that he was back in the hospital with
a blood clot and he had to get emergency surgery.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
This is actually and this is why I love doing
this show, because we could use real life examples of
what's going on in the real world. And this is
a really good example of how something really super minor
turns into a person dying, right, because you always hear about, oh,
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they just went into the hospital for this, and there's
always cascading effects of everything. So he goes into the
hospital because he had a perforated ulcer, which is likely
because he had an H. Pylori infection, which is the
number one reason why you would get an ulcer in
your upper gi track like that. So he took so
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he had a flu, and then he took advil or
some kind of nad which further pushed that along. He
said it was his fault because he took he took
the medication without food, but that is not the sole
reason why he had a perforation in his stomach. So
when you have a perforation, then you could get bacteria
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and certain materials that are inside of your gi track
into the sterile area, which could then get into your blood,
which then could get into your organs. So when you
have an infection that's called sepsis, when it goes throughout
your whole body, they give you a central line, which
is to administer iv antibiotics. Now, he was in the
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hospital for twenty one days, but they sent him home
and he still had the line and was still getting
the ivy antibiotics at his house, which he just had
said a couple days before this, he posted and said,
good news, after being on this iv all these weeks,
I finally just got it taken out. But that central line,
which is treatment for this, can irritate the blood vessels
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and make you prone to clotting, on top of just
being septic, which also prones you to clotting, and also
being bedbound for twenty one days, which also makes you
increase risk for clotting. Right, So, when you think about
a typical forty eight year old dude, they should never
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get blood clots. But he's got all these things that
were set off by this one event. And so he's
home from the hospital and he notices that he has
swelling in one of his legs really bad, to the
point where he said he has to use a walker.
And that's that's like a huge red flag for anyone
that's been hospitalized or just had surgery, or has just
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had any kind of condition where they haven't been walking
around the whole lot for a month. And sure enough,
he goes to the hospital and they say, okay, you
have this giant blood clot in the deep veins of
your legs, and you need to get it taken out,
like emergency surgery, because if you don't, it could break off,
travel to your lungs and kill you. So that's exactly
what happened. So he had to go in and get
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a surgical procedure where they cut open the vessel and
try to break up the clot. They probably gave him
some medications too to break it up, and that it's
a relatively minor procedure and he should be fine. But
it's just it's just a good example to show how
people go downhill because one treatment leads to another problem
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neads to another, Like it's a cascading effect that we
see in the hospital all the time. I mean, for
a regular person, would they go home with ivy antibiotic
treatment Like you're saying, okay, so just making sure this
wasn't one of those situations. Yeah, and treatment, I don't really.
I mean I know that he's famous, but like he's
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not Jennifer Aniston level like he's Yeah, I don't I
don't think that he's getting like per like extra special
treatment on that level. But yeah, pop pop once had
a MRSA infection in his arm. And remember when he
was in the hospital. I remember a couple of weeks
and that was God, that was like twenty years ago. Now, Well,
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he went home with iby antibiotics. He was on them
for like another month after he was discharged from the hospital,
so a nurse would come to the house and like
then there was a point that he had to handle
it himself and then they eventually take it out and
that's it, so that none of it is abnormal at all.
There's no nothing that anybody did wrong. This is like
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total normal complications that are seen. But it's just you
have a guy. I mean, the only way that this
really could have been avoided is if he was likely
having some kind of upper GI symptoms like heartburn or
something like that. If he would have gotten endoscopy done,
you know, a year six months prior to getting this flu,
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they would have caught this H. Pylori infection, treated it
and like he probably never he would have had the
flu and moved on with life. That's the only preventative thing.
And I know that they do over forty five years
old preventative colonoscopy, but endoscopy isn't. I don't believe it's
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a screening unless you have some kind of a high risk,
either in your family or with yourself. So there are
tests that could be done at the doctor's office, like
blood tests and breath tests and stuff to figure out
if you have this. But if he never reported the symptoms,
they would have never worked them up for it. But
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it just it just goes to show you how a
forty eight year old person is now like having a
serious medical event, almost died twice in the course of
two months.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, it's really scary to think it can happen to anybody.
I mean, he had the surgery I think on Friday,
and he has been posting normally since, so I think
everything seemingly went well. Hopefully this is the end of
his medical problem because.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
No, it's not, though, because now he'll probably have to
be on blood thinners for a certain amount of time,
and that leads to other things that could be complications,
like for example, if you trip and fall, you could
get way more seriously injured because you're on blood thinners. Now,
like there's I'm telling you that this is the problem.
It's just like one thing leads to another. It's a
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domino effect that you see in medicine all the time.
So he I mean, he's alive, but he's not out
of the woods because he's just going to be having
until his clotting gets back to normal and stuff and
he doesn't have any accidents or anything like that, Like,
hopefully everything goes well, but he's not I wouldn't say
he's out of the woods quite yet.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
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you recall when this was going on, there was this
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him to run on the treadmill even though the kid
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So it's a cool case that we dissected because it
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So Easter all right, So first, in Germany, a group
was doing an Easter egg hunt in the woods and
all of a sudden, this giant gust of wind came through,
knocked a tree down on top of them, and ended
up killing three people. Yeah, I mean, this is just
one of those things that's a freak accident.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
How could you? You hear about it sometimes too, during
storms and stuff. I mean a tree Like if a
tree is looks like it's in a residential area and
it's rotten and stuff like, it should be cut down immediately.
But when you're in the woods, anything could happened, right.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, even a couple of weeks ago we
had I'm pretty bad weather here, and when I drive
to the grocery store there's a tree that seemingly looks
perfectly healthy that's completely ripped out of the ground with
all of the grass still around it also ripped out
of the ground. It literally looks like you know in
Beetlejuice when they have the mile it looks like that,
but in real life, which is insane to see. But
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the tree looked pretty healthy. I just think sometimes the
weather is so intense that this could happen.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Well, it's I also noticed that when it happens around
here a lot at you know, like a lot. Even
in Pennsylvania, they don't have a ton of sidewalks set
up like we do in New Jersey, where it's we
have streets and then we have that skinny piece of
grass at the curb with a sidewalk, and then people's
lawns and that in that skinny piece of grass, people
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you know, back in the day would plant a maple
tree which is now fifty years old and way too
big to be anchored into the ground properly in that
small space, so they're not really getting their legs in
there to hold on. You know. That's where I noticed
them the most. But yeah, it could happen anywhere. I mean,
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we don't even live in an area. I mean, I
guess now we are considered to have tornadoes around here,
but you see some trees in my neighborhood because we
have like an old established tree kind of neighborhood, and
it's like you just see them completely ripped up out
of the ground and a piece of wood falling what
was it ninety eight feet? I mean, that's gonna kill
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you instantly.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh yeah, So it ended up falling on a couple
of people. So a twenty one year old mother and
a sixteen year old girl died at the scene, and
then I guess the twenty one year old mom was
holding her ten month old baby, who also got injured
and then later died at the hospital. And then an
eighteen year old also had to be airlifted to the
hospital from it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh god, it's so terrible when you're just doing something
that's like a recreational fun thing with your kids and
there's there's I you just sit there and you're just like,
there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that. No, totally.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And then in similar news in Long Beach, an easter
egg hunt was also happening in the woods, and these
kids or this family came across a human skull partially
buried in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, So at first they said it was suspicious for
a human skull, which if you're in the United States,
the only skull that could look like a human skull
a little bit is some kind of a primate. I mean,
they kind of have a similar vibe. I can't think
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of any other skull in the animal kingdom that could
be suspicious for human. You know, so if you're in
Long Beach, California, the likelihood of there being any kind
of a primate skull anywhere is very I mean, I
guess anything's possible if you have a pet or something
like that. But they're saying it's small, and they have
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can firm that is a human skull, and they said
that it looks like it's from an infant. So it's
interesting that they use the word infant too, because it
I guess they're saying like, it doesn't look like fetal remains.
It looks like a like a baby, and which is
weird because that means there's a baby on accounted for somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, because well, now that we know this, I had
originally categorized this and like our other death news, which
is where we don't really always necessarily know what happened.
But if it's a baby, I feel like that can't be.
Like if it was an adults. Sometimes people will go
in the woods and do drugs and die there or
something like that, or have a medical emergency something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Or get hit by a tree. Get hit by a tree.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, exactly, like an accident could occur. But like now
that we know it's a baby that's potentially unaccounted for,
that's not good. And then other local news outlets around
there were reporting that other small bones were located nearby.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So it's just that's that's the whole theory behind to
Casey Anthony and Cally Anthony case right, it's just like
this kid was found dead in a wooded area. There's
no reason, I mean, aside they couldn't figure out exactly
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what her cause of death was, right, so she could
have died from an accidental death or whatever, like nobody
really knows. But there's her mouth. Well it's not even
that though. It's just like there's no reason that a
child should be out in the woods like that. But
you know, it wasn't near her house. It's not like
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she ran away, you know, because that could happen like
kids wander out in the middle of the night, and
it wasn't anything like that, So exactly what you're saying,
it wasn't if it's an adult there, they could say
it's undetermined and not really like nobody's responsible for an adult,
whereas like adults are responsible for children. You mean, if
your kid wandered out of the house in the middle
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and that you wouldn't to wait thirty days to report it.
Actually not you, your mother would report it. They didn't
even say that, and then that was the reason the
whole And.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Then you go to some parties and get a tattoo
that sai dulce vito, which means a sweet life.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You wouldn't know that that case. That case really just
bothers me to this day, and a lot of it
is like I know that most people have determined that
that Casey is is a sociopath whatever people think she is,
But I really don't agree with people that are supportive
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of the parents, just me too, because we I feel
like when I look back at that case, especially since
it happened when I was around the same age, within
a couple of years, it's just like I was in
a similar situation where I had a baby as a teenager,
and I was kind of like living with my mom
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and dad, but sometimes we moved out if I had
go to school or whatever. And and Momum always said
this about this case because I used to talk to her,
like I talked to her like every day or every
other day, and she would talk to you, and she's
just like if I if I didn't really think that
you that Maria was around, especially when you were a
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little kid. You're you know, like you're five and six
years old. Like how old were we when we moved
to the city for me to go to Jefferson like
you you were. I was in second grade? Second grade, right,
so you were like seven and seven. Okay, so I'm
there not living near her. She can't see me every
single day if she wasn't hearing from you every couple days,
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just because I was so young too, you think that
she wouldn't be like, let me drive over there and
see what's going on in like thirty days. No, I'm sorry,
Like I understand it's not their kid, but still it's weird.
It's just weird. They lived with them for a long
period of time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You just have when you're when you're born into a
situation where you're a teen mom, you usually are kind
of raising that kid with like the rest of your family,
So it's just a little bit of a different dynamic
than your your grandparents have with with children. And I
just I just think that the whole thing stinks, Like
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the whole story stinks, and I don't like how they
seem like they're victims of it or something.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I believe it had to be before we launch
Mother Knows Death, But I know when that Peacock series
came out interviewing Casey Anthony that we had recapped it.
It has to be in the grosser room, because I
know we did an audio recapping it. Yeah, but at
that time I had said that, like, I, even after
hearing her speak, had a little more sympathy for her.
(33:51):
And that's because I saw how gross the parents were
also acting. Not saying she's innocent, I'm just saying all
three of them, yeah, have grown.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm not either. I'm just exactly like, I'm just kind
of like, I don't know what the hell was going
on in that house, but there was something going on
in that house that's always weird. Would say, Okay, let's
get onto our last story, because this one is is
so weird.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
A patient is claiming that at the luxury Alexandra Cohen
Hospital for Women in Newborns in New York City that
her family got a flea infestation that caused them to
have to vacate their homes so it could be fumigated.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So why is this considered luxury?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So this is a private hospital, and I guess it
costs about thirty grand out of pocket to give birth there.
It's in like the Upper East Side. And this is
the most ridiculous thing is that Chanelle gave the hospital
one point five million dollars a couple of years ago.
So every mother that gives birth there gets a Chanelle
gift bag. And I'm thinking, like, you're getting a purse, right,
(34:54):
But no, you're getting like a perfume, a lipstick, and
a face wash, which is only about two hundred dollars
in value. No.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I was thinking, because like listen, one point five million
dollars worth of Chanelle is just not that's not that
many products, because some of their purses are five ten
forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Even on the real reel, you can't get a purse
for like under five grand.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And that's a used bag. Think about that. Oh, I know,
I I do think about it, and I just think
that it's like I was thinking, they probably got a
Chanelle gift bag, like a really nice like a gift
bag that you would give a birthday present in one
of those paper ones, and then it had one of
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those cards that's like a pamphlet cut in half with
a perfume sample that you would get at like Oulta
or Sephora or something that's I'm I was thinking that
that it's like shit like that, and like who wants
Chanelle perfume? It smells like ass, Like it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I one hundred percent agree with you overfu spell so disgusting.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's it's one of the you know how there's like
all of these trends that everybody just does it because
it's it's so chic, and you're just like that's the
it's the worst smelling perfume or the ugliest sweater or
something like that, like that burken bag. I'm sorry, Like
it's just ugly. It's it's ugly and basic, bitch and boring,
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and everybody's just like, no, I need to spend one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars on this and you're just like, dude,
it ain't even cute, like you're lying to yourself, you're
lying to everybody about it. It's just you're all you're
all on, like you're all into this trend. That's that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I only understand buying a burkin if you actually have
a lot of money, and like I believe a burkin
is considered a smart investment, which is something that will
always appreciate in value. So if you're buying luxury goods
like that, from an investment perspective, a burkin is a
good investment. That's my understanding of it. I personally like
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the way the Kelly bag looks from Irmaz, but it's
also plain and I don't think worth fifty thousand dollars.
I mean, if I get one for free, different story,
Like that's never gonna happen. But yeah, I just think
this is like so ridiculous that we're thinking about getting
this Chanelle gift bag and giving birth at this like
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quote unquote luxury maternal hospital in the Upper East Side.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
They put like diamond encrusted speculum menu and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Well they should at this rate because it's ridiculous and
you have to I guess my question is, like, do
you have to pay out of pocket to give birth there?
They just don't even take insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I don't know how this setup is. I mean, there's
there's definitely a difference between I've worked at private hospital
and a public hospital, But I don't see why they
wouldn't take insurance. But they probably do for the basic
delivery part of it, but the actual room you might
be paying extra four because it's like more of a
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hotel setup or something like that. Part of it might
not be covered the extras, you know. So all right,
So this lady gives birth there and she goes home
for the second time. It was her second delivery there. Yeah,
so I guess the first time she had a positive experience.
So she goes home and has all these bites all
over her body and figures out that she has a
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fleet infestation that she has brought home to her house.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well, she's saying that the first sign of it was
that when she was transferred to the postpartum suite, she
noticed that there was holes in the sheets, which I mean,
if you're paying that much money to deliver at the hospital,
which I guess in theory, any hospital is going to
charge you out the ass to give birth, right, so whatever.
But no hospital you go in, regardless, should have any
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holes in the sheets when you're going into the room.
And then she said, the first night she was in there,
her ankles became so incredibly itchy, and she was constantly
bending over to itch them, which wasn't good because she
had a C section.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're not supposed to bend like that.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And then she was wearing compression socks at the time too,
that she said were freshly laundered from her own home,
so she thought it was especially weird how itchy her
ankles were. And then when she got home, the bite
started turning into blisters and hurting so bad. And then
she physically saw a flea on her bed, jumping around.
So came to the conclusion that the flea came from
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the hospital.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know, like, I just think that this is
highly unlikely. Why because of just because of the way, like,
there's no there's no animals that are there living there, right,
So the only way that that's happening is that a
human unless someone brought in like a service dog or something,
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which is possible. But it's still it's not living there.
So the only way that it even got it could
have got there in the first place was that came
from someone's belongings, which just totally possible. Someone had. You know,
we were talking about this, how people pack their maternity
bag six months before they're getting ready to have a baby,
and they've been sitting by the door because they just
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think their water is gonna break and they have to
be as a hospital in five minutes, so they so
they yes. In other words, you so they have their
bag and they have fleas in their house and that
could get That's how it gets on the bag, and
then the person brings the bag to the hospital and
then it goes there. So fleas like ultimately they have
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a life cycle, but but like they need human a
human host at some point. So and no one, no
one is really living there, and it's in a situation
where so let's say you see fleas and you kill them,
they're you know, they're like a pain, They're like lice.
They're a pain in the ass to get rid of
because you kill all the bugs, but all of the
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eggs are still all over the floor. And then that's
the lifestyle cycle. Keeps continuing and continue, and that you
have to kill the eggs because they're gonna hatch and
then the bugs are gonna be there. And it's like
a circle circle, right, But like a hospital is doesn't
have carpet, has sheets and stuff that are cleaned all
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the time and bleached and and like chemicals. I mean,
you're giving birth. It's like they're not gonna have blood
and stuff falling on the ground without using some kind
of aniseptic wash some like usually a bleached product or
some kind of hospital grade lysol product whatever. I just
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I don't know, Like it just seems to me like
if was it a flea or was it a bed bug,
because I think a bedbug could be more likely, although
it's just still bedbugs don't like jump.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Or if she's saying she saw the bug jumping around,
I believe that would be a flea because don't bedbugs
hide under the mattress and stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, I mean, and they don't. I don't know, Like
I mean, I guess there's a possibility too if there's
some kind of like a rat infestation, that they're there.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
They just worth noting, however, or that other people have
criticized this hospital for being very unclean and overcrowded, with
some people saying that there's unknown stains all over the
floor and amniotic fluid just splashed on the floor.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
How would you know if it was that or not.
I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
And then someone else said that they noticed a woman
whose back was caked with dried poop from an unknown source.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It just seems I just feel like, it seems like
such a stretch that someone would have had fleas, brought
it in on their bag, and then they multiplied to
the point where they were in a room that was uninhabited,
and then this woman came in and got so many
fleas that she brought them home and her house got infested.
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It just is. It's such a stretch. It is.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
But another weird thing to point out is that the
hospital did agree to pay for the exterminator, which I
as a quote courtesy, which I just thought was unusual.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Well is the courtesy like, shut the fuck up? Just
the press.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'd be like, I'd pay for it, but you're signing
this NDA.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know, Like I just want to know. I
just really want to know how I mean, obviously, if
she has a flea infestation, I would. I would say
that it's that it's unlikely that she has an animal
living in the house, like a dog or a cat,
because how else would how else would she be able
to prove that she got it there? But were they
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traveling recently? Could she have picked it up somewhere else?
Like I don't know, Like I just think it's such
a stretch.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, but think about the people that are going to
this hospital. They're probably Upper east Side rich Karens that
just can't possibly fathom their apartment building have a flea.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
In it, right. Well, no, I mean, like, listen, it's
such a bitch to get fleas that I would be
really pissed if I got it from somebody's house, especially
from a hospital that I was paying, even if I
was paying nothing. But they gave you that perfume, so
shut up. I think this solution is to just use
the Chanelle perfume and spray your house and everything will
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die because it's so toxic. Didn't like Jackie O or
somebody wore somebody like or Elizabeth Tell like somebody famous
wore it?
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Like there was it's like that. I mean, like obviously
like Coco Chanel, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's like that perfume smell though that the second your
nose makes contact with it, you feel like you're suffocating.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's it's so terrible. So I just want to do
an experiment because if you think about, like I don't
know if you want to think about an actress right
now that's like really popular that everybody loves. I don't
know if there's anybody you could think off the top
of your head, but just think like Jennifer Anison for example.
Like it doesn't it's like a it's a typical like
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product endorsement. Like if she was just like, oh, this
this one lifesaw that's lavender, it smells exactly like perfume,
and you could get It's only five dollars and you
could get it and it has the same chemicals as
this and blah blah blah, Like you'd have people buying
it because she said it was good. That's just how
it is. And there's been this weird tradition that has
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gone on for way too long with Chanelle number five,
especially like it's it smells beyond old Lady. It just
smells like it smells like the section in CBS that
sells like explanation and sunflowers perfume from the eighties or something.
It just has this like low grade. Ugh, there's nothing
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high end about it.
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If you have a story or question for us, please
submit them to stories at Mother Knows Death. Try to
keep them as brief as possible. This first one is
from Jenna. I'm a former e erner, current or nurse
about Tiger Woods in his twenty twenty one incident where
they didn't test him. Where I work in rural Nova, Scotia, Canada,
if we have a person come in a bad car accident,
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we run a UDR as well as a BAC with
our routine work up, whether the police were involved or not.
If the person is completely incapacitated and needing to go
to surgery, they need to have a fully catheter placed
to drain the bladder, and labs run to determine the
baseline anyway, so while they are being prepped for ther
the stuff is included. That being said, I don't know
how other places work or their policies, but ninety nine
(46:33):
point nine percent of our doctors are going to order
those tests every time, and if they don't, the nurse
is going to insist they add them on what a
mess that guy is?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So someone so she's from Canada. Yeah, someone in the
grosser room also said a similar thing who works in America,
that they run their ICU nurse and they would run
like a like a drug screen on it. But would
you if it was Tiger? That's what I want to know.
And the other question that I had was because like,
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and I don't know if this particular listener in Canada
or the one from the grosser room has ever dealt
with someone that was a VIP patient on that level,
because things are handled differently. I've witnessed it personally working
in a hospital in Philadelphia that has had some pretty
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high level people as patients there, So things are just
handled a little bit differently. So that's question number one.
And then question number two I had for you guys
is how does that work with HIPPA Because typically when
you get any kind of lab work or blood test
done or anything like that, that's your private personal health information.
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So how does that work? You're legally allowed to tell
the police that that was like I guess it doesn't
apply to testing like that, but I am just yes,
how you go about that without getting into trouble because
if it was another situation where a nurse was telling
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results to somebody, they could get fired over that. So
what's the exception? I guess That's what I wanted to know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Next is from the perspective of a cop, Crystal. She
has written in before, I'm a cop and in Delaware,
if someone is suspected of DUI but blows zero zero
on the breathalyzer, we will get a search warrant to
do a blood draw and charge with the DUI of drugs.
If we get that search warrant, they can't refuse the
blood draw, we will hold them down into a forcible
blood draw. We also have a quote drug recognition experts
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that will call in to help to do other tests
and pinpoint exactly which drug they believe they're on, but
we will always get the blood draw after that. I'm
not sure how things work in other states, but I
assume similarly.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's interesting. Thank you for sharing that. So I have
another question for you if you're listening. So yesterday my
so my car was getting serviced yesterday and my husband
was driving me and one of my daughters to the
dealership to go pick up my car, and we were
en route seventy it's like a major it's not a highway,
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but it's it's not. The speed limits pretty high, probably
forty or fifty, I don't know, or people drive that
fast on it anyway, and there's construction going on, and
someone you know that didn't know how to drive, came
to a complete stop in front of one of the
those orange not the cones, but you know those like
circular big tube things, like the barrier things. Okay, so
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someone in front of us came to a complete stop
to which we had to come to a complete stop,
and then the person that was driving behind us, that
was probably going like thirty plus miles an hour like
completely slammed into the back of our car right and
we were look we were looking at this particular car
through multiple traffic lights because they were driving some like
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hooped pt cruiser. Okay, like how I don't even know
the last time that car was driven, but just like
they had their windows down and were smoking, and we
were stuck in traffic at some point and it was
going into my car which is like one of my
number one pet peeves of all time. When people smoke,
either in traffic or in a drive through line, it's
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so freaking rude. So we were onto these people and
they got out and they were just like completely like
on something. It was like two older dudes, and like
Gabe was just like, they're they're high, Like it's obvious
that they're high or something like something was up. So
we Gabe did say something to the officers, but like,
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how does that go from there? Did they do anything?
Do they mand it to Like is that something that
the cops have to decide for themselves or because we
had that situation too with my neighbor that got hit
by someone that opened their car and their car stunk
like weed, and like the he said something to the cops,
but that's it. But I guess in this particular situation,
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it doesn't really matter per se because it was their fault.
The cops determined it was their fault that they hit us.
But like we still have like a couple thousand dollars
car repair now that well they did they even have insurance,
the cops said. I guess the cops said that they did,
but like I'm not putting. I don't want to put
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in an insurance claim because our insurance will go up
way more than the repair cost.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
You know that insurance should cover the cost of your damage.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Is that how that works?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
So?
Speaker 1 (51:35):
But do I have to call my insurance to handle that? I? Like,
I just don't know. I have been burned so bad
by the car insurance and my payment is finally normal,
So I just don't even want to let them. I
don't want to let them in on it because of that.
But I guess my question is under what, like the
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officer has to determine that they're intoxicated. I guess that's
why you would do it, Like, do you have to
have an actual documented reason to test somebody? Or can
you just test whoever you want to?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I don't know how you would handle that. Somebody could
write in and let us know, or I would ask around, honestly,
because I would try to get their insurance to pay
for it since it was already determined to be their fault. Yeah,
so all right.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Last is from Dawn.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
My family was forced to move to a new state
due to a promotion at work. I'm usually introverted and
don't make friends easily, but I quickly made friends with
the lady who lived across the street from me, who
had kids the same age as mine. Let's call her
Mom A. I met some other moms through her. Another
mom in the group, which we'll refer to as Mom B,
is a nurse at the biggest hospital in our town.
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Mom A and I had a falling out and she
made my life miserable for a couple of years, being
snarky and mean. Because of that, Mom B started doing
the same thing, but she hid the insults very well
and pretended to.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Be my friend.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
During all of this, I had a quote mental crisis
and ended up in the hospital for a few days.
It was very private, very embarrassing. When I got home,
Mom A came over to my house and told me
that the day I went into the hospital, Mom B
came straight to her house after her shift and told
her all my private info and exactly why I was
in the hospital facts. No one except my husband and
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the hospital staff knew. I was mortified and hurt. I
immediately reported her to the hospital. They did their own investigation.
They found that Mom B had accessed my info repeatedly
during my stay, and she had nothing to do with
my care while I was there. They also chose to
do nothing to her. I suspect that's because she was
very close to a few doctors who worked there. This
happened a few years ago, and I still refused to
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go to that hospital or have my kids be seen there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
So my advice to you would be to report her.
If she's a nurse, I would report her to the
board and try to go like backdoor it from the hospital.
We know from our friend Amy Lochran at the hospital.
Remember like all of the crazy stuff that was going
on with her case, that the hospital was doing the
investigations and finding things out and like keeping it hush hush. Yeah,
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it's a massive pr crazy. You kind of have to
like there has to be you know, at least for us.
So we have associations that like, you know, license or
certify us. There has to be some association that you
can go to that's above what's happening in the hospital
there and report it. And I don't know if you
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have like the actual report that they did the investigation
they did, because I don't see how they couldn't fire her.
I mean I would go to NBC ten News and
like you got to get you got to get somebody
on that, because that that is like such a it's
such a like that person should never be able to
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work in medicine. It's just such a break of trust
and completely unethical and immature and losory and just petty.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It just it.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Breaks all And if she's doing that, she's doing other
terrible shit too, Like it wasn't just to you.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
And the fact that they acknowledged that she repeatedly accessed
your information despite not even being on your care team
and then went on to share it with somebody else
and did nothing about it is completely unacceptable. I don't
blame you for not wanting to go to that hospital
at all, because clearly they're not handling things right behind
the scenes.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, I don't blame that either,
But I wouldn't just like let this happen like this,
This would be this would be my mission to make
sure that she no longer does this ever again, Like,
just find other avenues and report her to everyone, go
on the news and name them, so let everybody. That's
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what that's what I'm thinking. You probably could just make
a TikTok video and make it go viral at this point,
like name everyone, name her. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
not above being petty in that way. Done you right exactly?
Because that's it's just it's absolutely not cool. Like and
I understand what you're saying. You know, sometimes people have
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to go to the hospital because they're having a mental
issue that they feel like they can't handle themselves, and
shit like this is why people are scared to go
because they don't want people to find out. And that's like,
it's just completely unethical and it just it's just so
wrong and she really needs to deserve to be punished
for it.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, and as like chronic oversharers ourselves, Like I don't
I have no problem telling people information about myself on
my time. If something happens to me that I don't
want people knowing about I don't want somebody sharing it
without my knowledge or when I'm not ready to come
out with it, or if I don't ever want it
to come out.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
It's nobody's business. Yeah, and it also affects your children
and everything else. Like no, that's it's just not cool.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
I would say, I agree with you. Be petty, go
to the news.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Bike a tick or go to like the higher.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Up organizations, even though I'm sure there's I'm sure if
she goes to like a board or something, they'll be like,
if not, you have limitations? Is up or whatever? Bullshit?
If this was a couple of years ago, do something
about it, because this lady should not be working with
other patients.
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And I'm sorry they had to go through that.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. It was Easter a
couple days ago, and we have not one, but two
stories involving death and Easter egg hunts. We have the
latest with the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping, an update on a
story we brought you last week about Perez Hilton, and
a case coming out of New York City involving a
luxury birthing center and a woman who claims she brought
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something home besides her new baby. We'll finish up with
your questions and comments. All that and more on today's episode. Okay,
so there's been another update on Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, Savannah Guthrie returned to The Today Show yesterday and
then convene. A new ransom note just happened to drop
to TMZ.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Right, yeah, so this one. So Ashley Banfield is saying
that this new note, the FBI is saying that they
believe some of these notes are real.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, there's been speculation about that along the way, and
I saw commentary from a woman that used to work
in the CIA also that said technically the FBI needs
to treat all of them as credible until proven otherwise,
because you really just don't know. And obviously these are
really hard to track because of the routes in which
people are going about it. I mean, they're requesting the
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money via bitcoin accounts, which are hard to tract. They're
most likely using VPNs or encrypted chats or whatever. But
this person seemed to say that, no matter what, the
FBI was able at some point, whether it took a
couple minutes or a couple months to get back to
who it was in the first place. But this note
in particular is weird because they're claiming that they saw
Nancy alive in Mexico at some point and they now
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say she's dead. They claim to know all the information
about the kidnappers, and they criticize the FBI for not
taking the other one seriously. I think the weirdest thing
about this note, however, is there only asking for half
of a bitcoin, which is about thirty four thousand dollars.
But the Guthries have said they're willing to pay a
million dollars only.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
A few weeks ago, So why are you asking for
so little? I think the plan is, if this is
all true, is that this person wants to just get
bitcoin and be completely undetected. I mean, listen, think about this.
The only person that's going to come for this reward
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is somebody that is not involved in this case at all,
that doesn't really have anything in the game, Like it's
not going to be Let's say, for example, a woman
knows that her son kidnapped her, Like, she's not going
to go and try to go get this reward because
that is all traced back. And I guess the whole
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point with the bitcoin is they want to get some
money out of it and just they think that they
could be completely undetected and not because like once you
go to the FBI or to Savannah and try to
get this huge reward, they're going to be like tracing
you and following you, and you might get in trouble
for not saying anything, like why would anybody do that?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
No, I understand that, but don't you also find it
a red flag that they were criticizing the FBI, Like
aren't the FBI not the leads on this case still
the Pima Sheriff County is who is the head of
this investigation, So, like I thought that was a weird tidbit,
like it's somebody that's not really in the know and
they just threw it out there to see what would happen.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, I think if it comes to the letters though,
like that's an FBI thing, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I just think that they're criticizing them in particular, not
the whole operation, just from the tidbits I saw, and
it's all like, you know, people are criticizing TMZ, why
are you putting these notes out? Of course, this note
comes out the day she's trying to go back to
her normal life. I guess in theory her life is
never going to be normal again, right, But she's trying
to go back to some semblance of a routine and
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normalcy and everything, and then all of a sudden she's
on TV that morning trying to just do her job,
and then a new note drops. I mean, I feel like,
even if this note is real or not, you have
these bad faith actors working behind the scenes that just
want to terrorize them for no reason, and that's just
gonna keep happening.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I do think it's a little soon for her to
be going back to work, To be honest with you,
I know that people grieve in different ways, and it's
probably she's probably gotten advice that it's better for her
mentally to try to get back into the normal routine
of her life. But because it's so unsolved, and I
mean she just had that interview with how to the
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horrible interview she had with her SOA. It was so annoying,
but she seemed like really distraught. Obviously she would be.
And there's no nothing is different than the night that
she found out, Right, there's nothing resolved at all, So
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anytime something happens, it's going to come up and be raw,
Like how is she really going to be returning to
work if they're doing searches and arresting people? Still, it's
just too raw, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, I mean how could she even report on other
true crime cases without the I mean, her mother's case
is truly most likely going to be the highest profile
true crime case of this year, right, and think about
all the other cases that are going to come up
that she has to cover on the Today Show and
not relive this horrific moment her family has just gone
through over and over and over again. I mean, maybe
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contractually she had to come back. We don't really know
what was going on. Behind the scenes. Obviously that would
make NBC seem like massive assholes if they made her
come back, which he's also getting paid a lot of money,
so we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.
The got threes also might know more information that is
not public yet where she's able to kind of I
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don't want to say this in an insensitive way, but
like move on right, like they have some.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Form of totally. I was thinking that too. I was
just like, they it's just annoying because they just release
It's even with the letters for TMZ. It's just like, listen,
if you're not going to tell us exactly what it says,
then don't even tell us you got them, like cause really,
why does the public even need to know at this point.
It's just kind of like this weird tease. And then
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the guy those that guy are the two guys that
are the TMZ the face of TMZ or whatever. It's
just like, oh, well, they're allowed to know what it says,
but we're not, like, well, it's only me.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's really bad, like it's only benefiting them though, because
they're getting clicks. I feel like I read somewhere yesterday
that the TMZ website app only came out in like
the mid to late early two thousands, and when Michael
Jackson had died, it literally crashed. It was like the
most traffic that their website ever had because they reported
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it and nobody could believe it. So think of the
traffic they get on a daily basis. Because they are
a news outlet that is typically reporting things first, and
we have to remember, like they're not on like National
Inquirer or some of these other like tabloid standards of
not really getting any sources. TMZ is actually considered a
pretty credible news source to actually make sure to check
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in and get multiple sources before reporting something. So I
always try to consider that because I always saw them
as being this really salacious outlet, But now that I
kind of know how they work behind the scenes, I'm like,
they definitely are exploiting people to some extent, obviously, but
they are doing the due diligence behind the scenes with
their reporting. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I feel like when the whole Nick Reiner thing happened
and Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered, they were
the first ones to come out and say it very
early on that there was something that happened there and
then it didn't come out on other news outlets for
a while, and you have to think, like putting something
(08:15):
like so crazy out there, you have to be sure
that you're right. But they have sources inside everywhere, and yeah,
I think that people frown upon TMZ and you're just
kind of like NAD. They kind of are getting the
same information that quote legitimate newsplaces are getting.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They are, but you have to think about traditional media
and how they work. I mean, we're living in a
day and age where something can be on social media
literally thirty seconds after it happens, and when it doesn't
show up on a real news outlet for five hours,
that's annoying as a consumer.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Well, there's people who So there's legitimate reporters like Briant
and who he actually was on Joe Jackaloone show this week,
if you guys are interested, they I'm sure they're talking
about this same case and he works for News Nation,
but he's also like a legitimate reporter. And then there's
just YouTubers that are there and really they their life
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is dedicated to being there, so they're just staying there.
And yesterday apparently Tomato went to Nancy's house and one
of the YouTubers was like stalking him and driving around
following him, like he has to call the police and
say like, hey, this person's harassing me. You know, like
you can't be doing that.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But if TMZ has like their network of internal sources,
I mean, could they are always a first report when
people die, when they're getting divorced, things like that. Like
I imagine in my mind they just have a full
time employee camped out at the courthouse, because otherwise, how
are they getting the information so quickly?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, because they have people on the inside, like cops
and stuff. Yeah, Like if you especially in La, I mean,
I know, for where we live, we could just listen
to the police scanners and the fire scanners. So I'm
assuming they have that kind of stuff too in La.
And you hear, oh, there's an ambulance called to this house.
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Like that's how I think like Lisa Mury Presley was
released because somebody knew that it was her address and
then you hear it over the scanner and you're just like, Okay,
well we know who lives at that address. There's just
people that dedicate their life to it. So that's how
they find out.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh yeah, and I guess if you want to go
back to like, even though they're reporting may have credible
sources behind the scenes, I mean morally we can say
they're not always doing the best thing. Like, if they
really cared morally about this situation with Nancy Guthrie, I
don't think they'd immediately publish the ransom notes. They would
hand them over to the family or the police and
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try to keep it under wraps.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The probably did, but they were also like, we're using
this and they have every right too. So what do
you think about Like, I feel like a lot of
people thought that it was a probability that she was
in Mexico just because it's so close to Tucson. I'm
just wondering it, like if the if the FBI, if
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because Ashley Banfield clearly has a person on the inside,
if the FBI really thinks that these letters are real
that particular, is that a state that they said that
it was in Mexico or something like? I wonder what
the population is and if they would be able to
just go there and try to figure that out. Is
it a very populated area, Is it not like things
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like that?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I don't know, and I feel like they have
to investigate it because if they really have no other information,
what's the harm in looking into it?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, I mean, like what is how are they doing anything?
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
But at what point is this considered a cold case officially?
Like they are, we have exhausted all options and we
just cannot find this lady.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't know what exactly, like what the tipping point
would be for that. I mean, they've already cut back
so much on what they're doing, so I just think that, like,
if this was a normal person, this would already.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Be like well, of course, but because of how high
profile this is, they have to really look into everything.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, And it's like it's good in a sense the
amount of attention it's getting. Because we've talked about this before.
One of the most striking parts of going to crime
con is that they have a lot of information on
people who are currently missing. They have a whole entire
wall of people of photographs with information have you seen
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this person? Have you seen this person? And I met
a woman at last crime Con that came up to
me and just handed me a business card, and she
was a mom that her daughter was missing, and it
just upset me so much the rest of the day
after I met her, because she just had this like
look in her face of just like being alive but
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being dead. It just was so sad because like we're
we're witnessing it with Savannah, and it's and I'm sorry,
like the difference between your mom getting kidnapped versus your
child getting kidnapped is it's just different, right, It's still
And you look at Savannah and you're just kind of like,
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especially in those interviews, that that interview that she did
and stuff, and I'm looking at her just thinking like
how like you have to have intrusive thoughts all day
about the absolute worst things and then seeing like the
video with the actual guy and just like visualizing that
person hurting your mother and just repeating it and repeating it,
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but like never getting the of what actually happened, Like
did they find her body and do an autopsy and
figure out that she had a cardiac event and she
was likely dead within minutes of that her seeing an
intruder in her house versus was she taken and raped
for two weeks? You know, like those kinds of thoughts
and you get a lot of closure when at least
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you get the body back to an extent, because at
this point, she's decomposed beyond finding out a lot of
different answers for things like I mean, if she if
her body's like let's say, for example, in Tucson, outside,
she's skeletonized. At this point, there's no soft tissue. You
can't look at her heart and see what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, So even if they find her remains and we
still won't really know what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
No, I mean they could tell, like obviously, if her
bones are broken and stuff that, or she has shotgun wounds,
or she has knife marks on her bones, they'll be
able to tell if she suffered a traumatic event. But
not having soft tissue there is just rolling out a
lot of natural death stuff. It's rolling out a lot
of things that they'll never be able to get an
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answer to.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I think about this a lot like Elizabeth's Smart's dad
always said the worst part of it was just not
knowing what happened. Yeah, And obviously in their case it
ended up working out well for them where she was
returned right, not without a super traumatic experience. But I
can't imagine for all these families, And I wonder if
other families of kidnapping victims are outraged by the amount
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of media attention. This is getting or happy that light
is being brought to the situation and possibly helping others.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I don't know. It's another interesting thought is like the
person that did this, I really am starting to think
that they're they're sadistic, like trying they're actually getting off
on watching this woman be in pain. Like you could
have just walked in and killed the mind and that
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would have been upsetting, but this is like, think about
the worst thing you could do to a person and
and just so happened to be okay. So it looks
like she's putting a smile back on her face and
she's going to try to go back to work, like
let me ruin her day again. And it's like you
have to think, is this really someone that's trying to
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get back at her for causing them pain or perceived
pain that they think and who knows what that is?
That could be something personal that never happened on the air,
like we're always trying to say, oh, like the biggest
one that goes around is oh, she she interviewed these
Epstein victims and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I think they're well beyond that theory, you know, like
I feel like if well, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I mean that it's kind of like, you know how
you can connect all movies to Kevin Bacon. Yeah, there's
like that thing. I feel like you could connect like
everyone's trying to connect all of everything else to Epstein.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yeah, totally, anything is still possible, but I think we
are definitely. I feel this is probably just going to
remain unsolved for the rest of our lives. But I
guess anything's.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Hopefully not okay. So Perez Hilton, we talked about him
a little bit last week.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, so we talked about how he was in the
hospital for twenty one days because he had been taking
flu medication and he wasn't eating with it, so he
thought it was his fault that he ended up in
the hospital and developed an ulcer. And now last week
he reported that he was back in the hospital with
a blood clot and he had to get emergency surgery.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
This is actually and this is why I love doing
this show, because we could use real life examples of
what's going on in the real world. And this is
a really good example of how something really super minor
turns into a person dying, right, because you always hear about, oh,
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they just went into the hospital for this, and there's
always cascading effects of everything. So he goes into the
hospital because he had a perforated ulcer, which is likely
because he had an H. Pylori infection, which is the
number one reason why you would get an ulcer in
your upper gi track like that. So he took so
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he had a flu, and then he took advil or
some kind of nad which further pushed that along. He
said it was his fault because he took he took
the medication without food, but that is not the sole
reason why he had a perforation in his stomach. So
when you have a perforation, then you could get bacteria
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and certain materials that are inside of your gi track
into the sterile area, which could then get into your blood,
which then could get into your organs. So when you
have an infection that's called sepsis, when it goes throughout
your whole body, they give you a central line, which
is to administer iv antibiotics. Now, he was in the
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hospital for twenty one days, but they sent him home
and he still had the line and was still getting
the ivy antibiotics at his house, which he just had
said a couple days before this, he posted and said,
good news, after being on this iv all these weeks,
I finally just got it taken out. But that central line,
which is treatment for this, can irritate the blood vessels
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and make you prone to clotting, on top of just
being septic, which also prones you to clotting, and also
being bedbound for twenty one days, which also makes you
increase risk for clotting. Right, So, when you think about
a typical forty eight year old dude, they should never
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get blood clots. But he's got all these things that
were set off by this one event. And so he's
home from the hospital and he notices that he has
swelling in one of his legs really bad, to the
point where he said he has to use a walker.
And that's that's like a huge red flag for anyone
that's been hospitalized or just had surgery, or has just
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had any kind of condition where they haven't been walking
around the whole lot for a month. And sure enough,
he goes to the hospital and they say, okay, you
have this giant blood clot in the deep veins of
your legs, and you need to get it taken out,
like emergency surgery, because if you don't, it could break off,
travel to your lungs and kill you. So that's exactly
what happened. So he had to go in and get
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a surgical procedure where they cut open the vessel and
try to break up the clot. They probably gave him
some medications too to break it up, and that it's
a relatively minor procedure and he should be fine. But
it's just it's just a good example to show how
people go downhill because one treatment leads to another problem
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neads to another, Like it's a cascading effect that we
see in the hospital all the time. I mean, for
a regular person, would they go home with ivy antibiotic
treatment Like you're saying, okay, so just making sure this
wasn't one of those situations. Yeah, and treatment, I don't really.
I mean I know that he's famous, but like he's
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not Jennifer Aniston level like he's Yeah, I don't I
don't think that he's getting like per like extra special
treatment on that level. But yeah, pop pop once had
a MRSA infection in his arm. And remember when he
was in the hospital. I remember a couple of weeks
and that was God, that was like twenty years ago. Now, Well,
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he went home with iby antibiotics. He was on them
for like another month after he was discharged from the hospital,
so a nurse would come to the house and like
then there was a point that he had to handle
it himself and then they eventually take it out and
that's it, so that none of it is abnormal at all.
There's no nothing that anybody did wrong. This is like
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total normal complications that are seen. But it's just you
have a guy. I mean, the only way that this
really could have been avoided is if he was likely
having some kind of upper GI symptoms like heartburn or
something like that. If he would have gotten endoscopy done,
you know, a year six months prior to getting this flu,
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they would have caught this H. Pylori infection, treated it
and like he probably never he would have had the
flu and moved on with life. That's the only preventative thing.
And I know that they do over forty five years
old preventative colonoscopy, but endoscopy isn't. I don't believe it's
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a screening unless you have some kind of a high risk,
either in your family or with yourself. So there are
tests that could be done at the doctor's office, like
blood tests and breath tests and stuff to figure out
if you have this. But if he never reported the symptoms,
they would have never worked them up for it. But
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it just it just goes to show you how a
forty eight year old person is now like having a
serious medical event, almost died twice in the course of
two months.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
No, it's really scary to think it can happen to anybody.
I mean, he had the surgery I think on Friday,
and he has been posting normally since, so I think
everything seemingly went well. Hopefully this is the end of
his medical problem because.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
No, it's not, though, because now he'll probably have to
be on blood thinners for a certain amount of time,
and that leads to other things that could be complications,
like for example, if you trip and fall, you could
get way more seriously injured because you're on blood thinners. Now,
like there's I'm telling you that this is the problem.
It's just like one thing leads to another. It's a
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domino effect that you see in medicine all the time.
So he I mean, he's alive, but he's not out
of the woods because he's just going to be having
until his clotting gets back to normal and stuff and
he doesn't have any accidents or anything like that, Like,
hopefully everything goes well, but he's not I wouldn't say
he's out of the woods quite yet.
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So Easter all right, So first, in Germany, a group
was doing an Easter egg hunt in the woods and
all of a sudden, this giant gust of wind came through,
knocked a tree down on top of them, and ended
up killing three people. Yeah, I mean, this is just
one of those things that's a freak accident.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
How could you? You hear about it sometimes too, during
storms and stuff. I mean a tree Like if a
tree is looks like it's in a residential area and
it's rotten and stuff like, it should be cut down immediately.
But when you're in the woods, anything could happened, right.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, even a couple of weeks ago we
had I'm pretty bad weather here, and when I drive
to the grocery store there's a tree that seemingly looks
perfectly healthy that's completely ripped out of the ground with
all of the grass still around it also ripped out
of the ground. It literally looks like you know in
Beetlejuice when they have the mile it looks like that,
but in real life, which is insane to see. But
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the tree looked pretty healthy. I just think sometimes the
weather is so intense that this could happen.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Well, it's I also noticed that when it happens around
here a lot at you know, like a lot. Even
in Pennsylvania, they don't have a ton of sidewalks set
up like we do in New Jersey, where it's we
have streets and then we have that skinny piece of
grass at the curb with a sidewalk, and then people's
lawns and that in that skinny piece of grass, people
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you know, back in the day would plant a maple
tree which is now fifty years old and way too
big to be anchored into the ground properly in that
small space, so they're not really getting their legs in
there to hold on. You know. That's where I noticed
them the most. But yeah, it could happen anywhere. I mean,
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we don't even live in an area. I mean, I
guess now we are considered to have tornadoes around here,
but you see some trees in my neighborhood because we
have like an old established tree kind of neighborhood, and
it's like you just see them completely ripped up out
of the ground and a piece of wood falling what
was it ninety eight feet? I mean, that's gonna kill
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you instantly.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh yeah, So it ended up falling on a couple
of people. So a twenty one year old mother and
a sixteen year old girl died at the scene, and
then I guess the twenty one year old mom was
holding her ten month old baby, who also got injured
and then later died at the hospital. And then an
eighteen year old also had to be airlifted to the
hospital from it.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh god, it's so terrible when you're just doing something
that's like a recreational fun thing with your kids and
there's there's I you just sit there and you're just like,
there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that. No, totally.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And then in similar news in Long Beach, an easter
egg hunt was also happening in the woods, and these
kids or this family came across a human skull partially
buried in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, So at first they said it was suspicious for
a human skull, which if you're in the United States,
the only skull that could look like a human skull
a little bit is some kind of a primate. I mean,
they kind of have a similar vibe. I can't think
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of any other skull in the animal kingdom that could
be suspicious for human. You know, so if you're in
Long Beach, California, the likelihood of there being any kind
of a primate skull anywhere is very I mean, I
guess anything's possible if you have a pet or something
like that. But they're saying it's small, and they have
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can firm that is a human skull, and they said
that it looks like it's from an infant. So it's
interesting that they use the word infant too, because it
I guess they're saying like, it doesn't look like fetal remains.
It looks like a like a baby, and which is
weird because that means there's a baby on accounted for somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, because well, now that we know this, I had
originally categorized this and like our other death news, which
is where we don't really always necessarily know what happened.
But if it's a baby, I feel like that can't be.
Like if it was an adults. Sometimes people will go
in the woods and do drugs and die there or
something like that, or have a medical emergency something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Or get hit by a tree. Get hit by a tree.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, exactly, like an accident could occur. But like now
that we know it's a baby that's potentially unaccounted for,
that's not good. And then other local news outlets around
there were reporting that other small bones were located nearby.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So it's just that's that's the whole theory behind to
Casey Anthony and Cally Anthony case right, it's just like
this kid was found dead in a wooded area. There's
no reason, I mean, aside they couldn't figure out exactly
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what her cause of death was, right, so she could
have died from an accidental death or whatever, like nobody
really knows. But there's her mouth. Well it's not even
that though. It's just like there's no reason that a
child should be out in the woods like that. But
you know, it wasn't near her house. It's not like
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she ran away, you know, because that could happen like
kids wander out in the middle of the night, and
it wasn't anything like that, So exactly what you're saying,
it wasn't if it's an adult there, they could say
it's undetermined and not really like nobody's responsible for an adult,
whereas like adults are responsible for children. You mean, if
your kid wandered out of the house in the middle
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and that you wouldn't to wait thirty days to report it.
Actually not you, your mother would report it. They didn't
even say that, and then that was the reason the
whole And.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Then you go to some parties and get a tattoo
that sai dulce vito, which means a sweet life.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You wouldn't know that that case. That case really just
bothers me to this day, and a lot of it
is like I know that most people have determined that
that Casey is is a sociopath whatever people think she is,
But I really don't agree with people that are supportive
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of the parents, just me too, because we I feel
like when I look back at that case, especially since
it happened when I was around the same age, within
a couple of years, it's just like I was in
a similar situation where I had a baby as a teenager,
and I was kind of like living with my mom
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and dad, but sometimes we moved out if I had
go to school or whatever. And and Momum always said
this about this case because I used to talk to her,
like I talked to her like every day or every
other day, and she would talk to you, and she's
just like if I if I didn't really think that
you that Maria was around, especially when you were a
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little kid. You're you know, like you're five and six
years old. Like how old were we when we moved
to the city for me to go to Jefferson like
you you were. I was in second grade? Second grade, right,
so you were like seven and seven. Okay, so I'm
there not living near her. She can't see me every
single day if she wasn't hearing from you every couple days,
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just because I was so young too, you think that
she wouldn't be like, let me drive over there and
see what's going on in like thirty days. No, I'm sorry,
Like I understand it's not their kid, but still it's weird.
It's just weird. They lived with them for a long
period of time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
It is.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You just have when you're when you're born into a
situation where you're a teen mom, you usually are kind
of raising that kid with like the rest of your family,
So it's just a little bit of a different dynamic
than your your grandparents have with with children. And I
just I just think that the whole thing stinks, Like
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the whole story stinks, and I don't like how they
seem like they're victims of it or something.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, I believe it had to be before we launch
Mother Knows Death, But I know when that Peacock series
came out interviewing Casey Anthony that we had recapped it.
It has to be in the grosser room, because I
know we did an audio recapping it. Yeah, but at
that time I had said that, like, I, even after
hearing her speak, had a little more sympathy for her.
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And that's because I saw how gross the parents were
also acting. Not saying she's innocent, I'm just saying all
three of them, yeah, have grown.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm not either. I'm just exactly like, I'm just kind
of like, I don't know what the hell was going
on in that house, but there was something going on
in that house that's always weird. Would say, Okay, let's
get onto our last story, because this one is is
so weird.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
A patient is claiming that at the luxury Alexandra Cohen
Hospital for Women in Newborns in New York City that
her family got a flea infestation that caused them to
have to vacate their homes so it could be fumigated.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
So why is this considered luxury?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So this is a private hospital, and I guess it
costs about thirty grand out of pocket to give birth there.
It's in like the Upper East Side. And this is
the most ridiculous thing is that Chanelle gave the hospital
one point five million dollars a couple of years ago.
So every mother that gives birth there gets a Chanelle
gift bag. And I'm thinking, like, you're getting a purse, right,
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But no, you're getting like a perfume, a lipstick, and
a face wash, which is only about two hundred dollars
in value. No.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I was thinking, because like listen, one point five million
dollars worth of Chanelle is just not that's not that
many products, because some of their purses are five ten
forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Even on the real reel, you can't get a purse
for like under five grand.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
And that's a used bag. Think about that. Oh, I know,
I I do think about it, and I just think
that it's like I was thinking, they probably got a
Chanelle gift bag, like a really nice like a gift
bag that you would give a birthday present in one
of those paper ones, and then it had one of
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those cards that's like a pamphlet cut in half with
a perfume sample that you would get at like Oulta
or Sephora or something that's I'm I was thinking that
that it's like shit like that, and like who wants
Chanelle perfume? It smells like ass, Like it's terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I one hundred percent agree with you overfu spell so disgusting.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
It's it's one of the you know how there's like
all of these trends that everybody just does it because
it's it's so chic, and you're just like that's the
it's the worst smelling perfume or the ugliest sweater or
something like that, like that burken bag. I'm sorry, Like
it's just ugly. It's it's ugly and basic, bitch and boring,
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and everybody's just like, no, I need to spend one
hundred and fifty thousand dollars on this and you're just like, dude,
it ain't even cute, like you're lying to yourself, you're
lying to everybody about it. It's just you're all you're
all on, like you're all into this trend. That's that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I only understand buying a burkin if you actually have
a lot of money, and like I believe a burkin
is considered a smart investment, which is something that will
always appreciate in value. So if you're buying luxury goods
like that, from an investment perspective, a burkin is a
good investment. That's my understanding of it. I personally like
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the way the Kelly bag looks from Irmaz, but it's
also plain and I don't think worth fifty thousand dollars.
I mean, if I get one for free, different story,
Like that's never gonna happen. But yeah, I just think
this is like so ridiculous that we're thinking about getting
this Chanelle gift bag and giving birth at this like
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quote unquote luxury maternal hospital in the Upper East Side.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
They put like diamond encrusted speculum menu and stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Well they should at this rate because it's ridiculous and
you have to I guess my question is, like, do
you have to pay out of pocket to give birth there?
They just don't even take insurance.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
I don't know how this setup is. I mean, there's
there's definitely a difference between I've worked at private hospital
and a public hospital, But I don't see why they
wouldn't take insurance. But they probably do for the basic
delivery part of it, but the actual room you might
be paying extra four because it's like more of a
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hotel setup or something like that. Part of it might
not be covered the extras, you know. So all right,
So this lady gives birth there and she goes home
for the second time. It was her second delivery there. Yeah,
so I guess the first time she had a positive experience.
So she goes home and has all these bites all
over her body and figures out that she has a
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fleet infestation that she has brought home to her house.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well, she's saying that the first sign of it was
that when she was transferred to the postpartum suite, she
noticed that there was holes in the sheets, which I mean,
if you're paying that much money to deliver at the hospital,
which I guess in theory, any hospital is going to
charge you out the ass to give birth, right, so whatever.
But no hospital you go in, regardless, should have any
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holes in the sheets when you're going into the room.
And then she said, the first night she was in there,
her ankles became so incredibly itchy, and she was constantly
bending over to itch them, which wasn't good because she
had a C section.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're not supposed to bend like that.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And then she was wearing compression socks at the time too,
that she said were freshly laundered from her own home,
so she thought it was especially weird how itchy her
ankles were. And then when she got home, the bite
started turning into blisters and hurting so bad. And then
she physically saw a flea on her bed, jumping around.
So came to the conclusion that the flea came from
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the hospital.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I don't know, like, I just think that this is
highly unlikely. Why because of just because of the way, like,
there's no there's no animals that are there living there, right,
So the only way that that's happening is that a
human unless someone brought in like a service dog or something,
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which is possible. But it's still it's not living there.
So the only way that it even got it could
have got there in the first place was that came
from someone's belongings, which just totally possible. Someone had. You know,
we were talking about this, how people pack their maternity
bag six months before they're getting ready to have a baby,
and they've been sitting by the door because they just
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think their water is gonna break and they have to
be as a hospital in five minutes, so they so
they yes. In other words, you so they have their
bag and they have fleas in their house and that
could get That's how it gets on the bag, and
then the person brings the bag to the hospital and
then it goes there. So fleas like ultimately they have
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a life cycle, but but like they need human a
human host at some point. So and no one, no
one is really living there, and it's in a situation
where so let's say you see fleas and you kill them,
they're you know, they're like a pain, They're like lice.
They're a pain in the ass to get rid of
because you kill all the bugs, but all of the
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eggs are still all over the floor. And then that's
the lifestyle cycle. Keeps continuing and continue, and that you
have to kill the eggs because they're gonna hatch and
then the bugs are gonna be there. And it's like
a circle circle, right, But like a hospital is doesn't
have carpet, has sheets and stuff that are cleaned all
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the time and bleached and and like chemicals. I mean,
you're giving birth. It's like they're not gonna have blood
and stuff falling on the ground without using some kind
of aniseptic wash some like usually a bleached product or
some kind of hospital grade lysol product whatever. I just
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I don't know, Like it just seems to me like
if was it a flea or was it a bed bug,
because I think a bedbug could be more likely, although
it's just still bedbugs don't like jump.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Or if she's saying she saw the bug jumping around,
I believe that would be a flea because don't bedbugs
hide under the mattress and stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, I mean, and they don't. I don't know, Like
I mean, I guess there's a possibility too if there's
some kind of like a rat infestation, that they're there.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
They just worth noting, however, or that other people have
criticized this hospital for being very unclean and overcrowded, with
some people saying that there's unknown stains all over the
floor and amniotic fluid just splashed on the floor.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
How would you know if it was that or not.
I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
And then someone else said that they noticed a woman
whose back was caked with dried poop from an unknown source.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
It just seems I just feel like, it seems like
such a stretch that someone would have had fleas, brought
it in on their bag, and then they multiplied to
the point where they were in a room that was uninhabited,
and then this woman came in and got so many
fleas that she brought them home and her house got infested.
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It just is. It's such a stretch. It is.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
But another weird thing to point out is that the
hospital did agree to pay for the exterminator, which I
as a quote courtesy, which I just thought was unusual.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Well is the courtesy like, shut the fuck up? Just
the press.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'd be like, I'd pay for it, but you're signing
this NDA.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
I don't know, Like I just want to know. I
just really want to know how I mean, obviously, if
she has a flea infestation, I would. I would say
that it's that it's unlikely that she has an animal
living in the house, like a dog or a cat,
because how else would how else would she be able
to prove that she got it there? But were they
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traveling recently? Could she have picked it up somewhere else?
Like I don't know, Like I just think it's such
a stretch.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, but think about the people that are going to
this hospital. They're probably Upper east Side rich Karens that
just can't possibly fathom their apartment building have a flea.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
In it, right. Well, no, I mean, like, listen, it's
such a bitch to get fleas that I would be
really pissed if I got it from somebody's house, especially
from a hospital that I was paying, even if I
was paying nothing. But they gave you that perfume, so
shut up. I think this solution is to just use
the Chanelle perfume and spray your house and everything will
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die because it's so toxic. Didn't like Jackie O or
somebody wore somebody like or Elizabeth Tell like somebody famous
wore it?
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Right?
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Like there was it's like that. I mean, like obviously
like Coco Chanel, all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
It's like that perfume smell though that the second your
nose makes contact with it, you feel like you're suffocating.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's it's so terrible. So I just want to do
an experiment because if you think about, like I don't
know if you want to think about an actress right
now that's like really popular that everybody loves. I don't
know if there's anybody you could think off the top
of your head, but just think like Jennifer Anison for example.
Like it doesn't it's like a it's a typical like
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product endorsement. Like if she was just like, oh, this
this one lifesaw that's lavender, it smells exactly like perfume,
and you could get It's only five dollars and you
could get it and it has the same chemicals as
this and blah blah blah, Like you'd have people buying
it because she said it was good. That's just how
it is. And there's been this weird tradition that has
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gone on for way too long with Chanelle number five,
especially like it's it smells beyond old Lady. It just
smells like it smells like the section in CBS that
sells like explanation and sunflowers perfume from the eighties or something.
It just has this like low grade. Ugh, there's nothing
(45:40):
high end about it.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
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Speaker 2 (45:50):
If you have a story or question for us, please
submit them to stories at Mother Knows Death. Try to
keep them as brief as possible. This first one is
from Jenna. I'm a former e erner, current or nurse
about Tiger Woods in his twenty twenty one incident where
they didn't test him. Where I work in rural Nova, Scotia, Canada,
if we have a person come in a bad car accident,
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we run a UDR as well as a BAC with
our routine work up, whether the police were involved or not.
If the person is completely incapacitated and needing to go
to surgery, they need to have a fully catheter placed
to drain the bladder, and labs run to determine the
baseline anyway, so while they are being prepped for ther
the stuff is included. That being said, I don't know
how other places work or their policies, but ninety nine
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point nine percent of our doctors are going to order
those tests every time, and if they don't, the nurse
is going to insist they add them on what a
mess that guy is?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So someone so she's from Canada. Yeah, someone in the
grosser room also said a similar thing who works in America,
that they run their ICU nurse and they would run
like a like a drug screen on it. But would
you if it was Tiger? That's what I want to know.
And the other question that I had was because like,
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and I don't know if this particular listener in Canada
or the one from the grosser room has ever dealt
with someone that was a VIP patient on that level,
because things are handled differently. I've witnessed it personally working
in a hospital in Philadelphia that has had some pretty
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high level people as patients there, So things are just
handled a little bit differently. So that's question number one.
And then question number two I had for you guys
is how does that work with HIPPA Because typically when
you get any kind of lab work or blood test
done or anything like that, that's your private personal health information.
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So how does that work? You're legally allowed to tell
the police that that was like I guess it doesn't
apply to testing like that, but I am just yes,
how you go about that without getting into trouble because
if it was another situation where a nurse was telling
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results to somebody, they could get fired over that. So
what's the exception? I guess That's what I wanted to know,
all right.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Next is from the perspective of a cop, Crystal. She
has written in before, I'm a cop and in Delaware,
if someone is suspected of DUI but blows zero zero
on the breathalyzer, we will get a search warrant to
do a blood draw and charge with the DUI of drugs.
If we get that search warrant, they can't refuse the
blood draw, we will hold them down into a forcible
blood draw. We also have a quote drug recognition experts
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that will call in to help to do other tests
and pinpoint exactly which drug they believe they're on, but
we will always get the blood draw after that. I'm
not sure how things work in other states, but I
assume similarly.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
That's interesting. Thank you for sharing that. So I have
another question for you if you're listening. So yesterday my
so my car was getting serviced yesterday and my husband
was driving me and one of my daughters to the
dealership to go pick up my car, and we were
en route seventy it's like a major it's not a highway,
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but it's it's not. The speed limits pretty high, probably
forty or fifty, I don't know, or people drive that
fast on it anyway, and there's construction going on, and
someone you know that didn't know how to drive, came
to a complete stop in front of one of the
those orange not the cones, but you know those like
circular big tube things, like the barrier things. Okay, so
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someone in front of us came to a complete stop
to which we had to come to a complete stop,
and then the person that was driving behind us, that
was probably going like thirty plus miles an hour like
completely slammed into the back of our car right and
we were look we were looking at this particular car
through multiple traffic lights because they were driving some like
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hooped pt cruiser. Okay, like how I don't even know
the last time that car was driven, but just like
they had their windows down and were smoking, and we
were stuck in traffic at some point and it was
going into my car which is like one of my
number one pet peeves of all time. When people smoke,
either in traffic or in a drive through line, it's
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so freaking rude. So we were onto these people and
they got out and they were just like completely like
on something. It was like two older dudes, and like
Gabe was just like, they're they're high, Like it's obvious
that they're high or something like something was up. So
we Gabe did say something to the officers, but like,
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how does that go from there? Did they do anything?
Do they mand it to Like is that something that
the cops have to decide for themselves or because we
had that situation too with my neighbor that got hit
by someone that opened their car and their car stunk
like weed, and like the he said something to the cops,
but that's it. But I guess in this particular situation,
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it doesn't really matter per se because it was their fault.
The cops determined it was their fault that they hit us.
But like we still have like a couple thousand dollars
car repair now that well they did they even have insurance,
the cops said. I guess the cops said that they did,
but like I'm not putting. I don't want to put
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in an insurance claim because our insurance will go up
way more than the repair cost.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
You know that insurance should cover the cost of your damage.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Is that how that works?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
So?
Speaker 1 (51:35):
But do I have to call my insurance to handle that? I? Like,
I just don't know. I have been burned so bad
by the car insurance and my payment is finally normal,
So I just don't even want to let them. I
don't want to let them in on it because of that.
But I guess my question is under what, like the
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officer has to determine that they're intoxicated. I guess that's
why you would do it, Like, do you have to
have an actual documented reason to test somebody? Or can
you just test whoever you want to?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I don't know how you would handle that. Somebody could
write in and let us know, or I would ask around, honestly,
because I would try to get their insurance to pay
for it since it was already determined to be their fault. Yeah,
so all right.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Last is from Dawn.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
My family was forced to move to a new state
due to a promotion at work. I'm usually introverted and
don't make friends easily, but I quickly made friends with
the lady who lived across the street from me, who
had kids the same age as mine. Let's call her
Mom A. I met some other moms through her. Another
mom in the group, which we'll refer to as Mom B,
is a nurse at the biggest hospital in our town.
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Mom A and I had a falling out and she
made my life miserable for a couple of years, being
snarky and mean. Because of that, Mom B started doing
the same thing, but she hid the insults very well
and pretended to.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Be my friend.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
During all of this, I had a quote mental crisis
and ended up in the hospital for a few days.
It was very private, very embarrassing. When I got home,
Mom A came over to my house and told me
that the day I went into the hospital, Mom B
came straight to her house after her shift and told
her all my private info and exactly why I was
in the hospital facts. No one except my husband and
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the hospital staff knew. I was mortified and hurt. I
immediately reported her to the hospital. They did their own investigation.
They found that Mom B had accessed my info repeatedly
during my stay, and she had nothing to do with
my care while I was there. They also chose to
do nothing to her. I suspect that's because she was
very close to a few doctors who worked there. This
happened a few years ago, and I still refused to
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go to that hospital or have my kids be seen there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
So my advice to you would be to report her.
If she's a nurse, I would report her to the
board and try to go like backdoor it from the hospital.
We know from our friend Amy Lochran at the hospital.
Remember like all of the crazy stuff that was going
on with her case, that the hospital was doing the
investigations and finding things out and like keeping it hush hush. Yeah,
(54:03):
it's a massive pr crazy. You kind of have to
like there has to be you know, at least for us.
So we have associations that like, you know, license or
certify us. There has to be some association that you
can go to that's above what's happening in the hospital
there and report it. And I don't know if you
(54:24):
have like the actual report that they did the investigation
they did, because I don't see how they couldn't fire her.
I mean I would go to NBC ten News and
like you got to get you got to get somebody
on that, because that that is like such a it's
such a like that person should never be able to
(54:49):
work in medicine. It's just such a break of trust
and completely unethical and immature and losory and just petty.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
It just it.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Breaks all And if she's doing that, she's doing other
terrible shit too, Like it wasn't just to you.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
And the fact that they acknowledged that she repeatedly accessed
your information despite not even being on your care team
and then went on to share it with somebody else
and did nothing about it is completely unacceptable. I don't
blame you for not wanting to go to that hospital
at all, because clearly they're not handling things right behind
the scenes.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, I don't blame that either,
But I wouldn't just like let this happen like this,
This would be this would be my mission to make
sure that she no longer does this ever again, Like,
just find other avenues and report her to everyone, go
on the news and name them, so let everybody. That's
(55:48):
what that's what I'm thinking. You probably could just make
a TikTok video and make it go viral at this point,
like name everyone, name her. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
not above being petty in that way. Done you right exactly?
Because that's it's just it's absolutely not cool. Like and
I understand what you're saying. You know, sometimes people have
(56:09):
to go to the hospital because they're having a mental
issue that they feel like they can't handle themselves, and
shit like this is why people are scared to go
because they don't want people to find out. And that's like,
it's just completely unethical and it just it's just so
wrong and she really needs to deserve to be punished
for it.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, and as like chronic oversharers ourselves, Like I don't
I have no problem telling people information about myself on
my time. If something happens to me that I don't
want people knowing about I don't want somebody sharing it
without my knowledge or when I'm not ready to come
out with it, or if I don't ever want it
to come out.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
It's nobody's business. Yeah, and it also affects your children
and everything else. Like no, that's it's just not cool.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
I would say, I agree with you. Be petty, go
to the news.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Bike a tick or go to like the higher.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Up organizations, even though I'm sure there's I'm sure if
she goes to like a board or something, they'll be like,
if not, you have limitations? Is up or whatever? Bullshit?
If this was a couple of years ago, do something
about it, because this lady should not be working with
other patients.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
And I'm sorry they had to go through that.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
All right, guys, we have our live show, our last
for a while due to the Bay Bay coming up
this weekend. So Friday night you have your lecture in
a little cocktail hour, and then Saturday we have the
lectures with Scott Duffy, Joe Jacqueline and then the Mother
Knows Death live show, So you guys are not gonna
want to miss this. We have outrageous stories as always.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yes, we have some good ones picked out already and more.
That's the best part of this job is that there's
bound to be a lot of stuff happening between now
and Saturday or when we're doing our live show, right,
so anything could happen. We don't know. Nancy Gothrie might
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See you, TOMR. Guys, thank you for listening to Mother
Nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologists assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
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