April 15, 2026 • 56 mins
C.J. and I.T. are joined by the great Quentin Richardson to dig into the Clippers' iconic "Knuckleheads" era, when Q Rich and Darius Miles put LA's second NBA team on the map for the first time and influenced the culture forever. Q Rich also explains how signing with Jordan Brand at a young age is the gift that just keeps on giving, delves into just how special his season with the Steve Nash Suns was, and the origin story of the Knuckleheads podcast. I.T. and C.J. also get ready for the playoffs with a quick preview...will LeBron could go superhero mode one more time?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This was after our first year, said we're nineteen and
twenty to get the call from my agent saying like, yo,
you ain't gonna give you a commercial.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Like we was like running around.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Like yo, like it's all like it's all right when
we get that, like we gotta go to New York
to do the thing, but like we didn't even know.
It's like it's like a whole bonus surprise, Like we
get that, like, Bro, Spike Lee is about to produced,
about to direct the commercial. It's like, Spike, we like
you know what I'm saying, Like if we bind you,
(00:31):
we're still shorty. So it's like this is all like
exploding our brains. Then we get there, we got like
a whole we got our own trailers and stuff like
that going.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It was like, Bro, like this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome to another episode of Point Game with Isaiah Thomas
and CJ. Toldono, we got a very special episode this
week where we're going to be talking to another legend
of the game you may nail for his time with
the Clippers, Sons, Nix, and more, but most notably half
of the duo known as the Knuckleheads. Everyone please welcome
Basketball in Chicago. Legend Quentin Richardson. You rich how are
(01:26):
we feeling?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Man, appreciate you all having you already know, it's it's
always honor to have you know, the guys that I
looked up to when I was coming up on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
So we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Faim already already you rich I just I mean me
and I t We've been getting to know each other
over this whole season.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
I think one of the things that the passion that and.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hobbies that we share a Jordan brand, Jordan sneakers and
obviously just taking us back to those early two thousands,
the Knuckleheads years, you guys on the Clippers, I just
want to as you you know, because we all saw
that blow up. But like when when did you and
d Miles know that that chemistry was special? And then
(02:08):
did you know it was gonna get as big as
it did?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we knew we had chemistry from high school. I mean,
like I said, that's how we first met. We played
AU together. He was a couple of years under. But
you know my AU coach, Larry Butler, he started skill
in D Miles and he you know, and the way
he did it when we had young guys that were good.
They played up grade, so so d Miles automatically played
up with us. And you know, we went around the
(02:32):
city that I mean around the country that summer and
we was, we was winning championships. So like we developed
that chemistry right then, and like we clicked, you know
what I'm saying, the friendship, the bond connected, and you know,
we stayed in touch even though he was in East
Saint Louis and I was in Chicago. And then I actually,
you know, obviously went to college and he I still
kept eye on him playing for Butler and the Warriors,
(02:53):
and then even in high school he was just dominating.
And then you know, he he became as successful as
he was a number one one player in the country
and all of those things. And it was like, I
remember when he came on his visit, he came to
you know, he can't be powered for a visit. I'm
his host, and I'm sitting there like, bro, like I
don't even know what you're doing visits, but you already
know you know what I'm saying. At this point, you
(03:15):
out of here this one. You still could go straight
out of high school. So I'm like, bro, it ain't
even you know what I'm saying, No need for me
to try and persuade nothing, you know what I'm saying.
But that was what all of that chemistry, you know,
kind of developed before we even got there, before we
even got to the Clippers. But like I would say,
we we started to realize that, you know that, you know,
we was kind of turned the page for the Clippers
(03:36):
and becoming popular. Like when when you know one O
six in Park was big then during this time idead.
So like once we started seeing like L and D.
Miles jerseys, like the art of rap artists was, you
know what I'm saying. Once they started doing that, you
start seeing Clippers jerseys everywhere it was either you know,
mostly it was L or D.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Miles.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But like that was when we started to see like
like you know what I'm saying, the culture at least
rocking with the Clippers, you know what I'm saying. Like
even though we knew, come on, man, it's the Lakers,
Kobe and Kobe and on three feet right now, we
knew it was day City and it was always going
to be a Laker City. But like we was carving out,
you know, our own little corner over here in the corner.
(04:18):
So that was when that really we started to realize
that when when we started to see the videos in
the hip hop videos and it was like Clippers jerseys
in that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, Now that's the dopest part because obviously you guys
had a young team and you guys like winning wise,
you guys wasn't winning a lot, But for the culture
of the game, you would think you guys was on
the Lakers because every like you said, like you said
the rap videos one oh six in part, everything that
you know, a young kid, especially from the inner City,
(04:47):
looked up to, you would see Clippers jerseys. You would
see you would see you know, them talking about you
guys in wraps and putting you guys in bars. So
that was like, how did that feel in terms of
obviously on the court, the wins wasn't there, but like
going around the city of La being on the Clippers,
obviously it's the little brother to the Lakers. But like
(05:08):
the culture that you guys was bringing was at that time,
especially like around the organization, was was that like frowned
upon or was like the world or the organization accepting
y'all for who you guys were coming from where you
guys came from and brought that culture to the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Listen, bro, you gotta understand coming in right, coming in
our agents, nobody wanted us to go to the Clippers.
We didn't work out for the Clippers and trained like,
we didn't go to the predraft Literally I would have
to double with keon double check, but I don't. None
of us worked out for them. Everybody's agent was like,
you know, you don't want to go there. That's the
(05:47):
worst organization and all of that stuff. Right, So we
get drafted there and it's like, come on, Isaiah, you
know how it is if you get drafted. It's like
a certain point, I don't care when I'm getting drafted.
I'm in the league, bro, you know what I'm saying,
Like this is my dream. And then it was like
you could be in worse places than LA. You feel me, Like,
(06:08):
you could bet there's worst places to get drafted to
in Los Angeles, California. All bid we was, we was
you know, we ain't in no facilities. We was working
out and practicing at LA Southwest Junior College, which was
like it was in the hood, but like, you know,
we come from that. So it was like it was
like we didn't we weren't old enough and we hadn't
seen enough to note that like this is wild. So
(06:30):
it was just like we were just doing what we
was doing and it was like, bro, like we gonna hoop,
you know what I'm saying, and like we saw what
they were last year. So like for us, it's like
we we felt like especially me and d Miles, we
was like he eighteen, I'm nineteen. We out chre We
like we we Hollywood superstars, like you know what I'm saying,
Like they called us to be in TV shows, one
(06:51):
on one, R List and all of this stuff, like
did a movie with Ryan Reynolds, like but then D
Minds did a movie back itself.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Like you know what I'm saying, You was a main
character in that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Like, bro, like it was like you like we was
having fun, like you know what I'm saying. Like even
though like you know how it is, Isaiah, It's like
you might want to go here, want to go there,
but once you get in your situation, you're gonna make
the best of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We was like we was living our dreams.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So it was like at the same time, like we'd
rather be winning more like yeah, but like we got
to control.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We controlled. We eighteen nineteen rookies in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You don't run nothing like just hoop Joe like when
you get your chains bout thereing ball. That was all
we was on. Like we didn't care we got in
the game down twenty, like we was about to try
and dunk on somebody and throw our set up in me.
It didn't matter. It was like we this our game.
We got this time frame to get out there and
show our stuff. That was how we looked at it,
cause we ain't know certain nights, no, we it was clustered,
(07:48):
you know what I'm saying. It was me mcghetti. Then
they still had Tyrone nesbying podcast and we were too
young to know that they were trying to showcase them
and then you know, get them out of there. But
like we were just sitting there like was like crazy, bro,
Like we would be in there like could you imagine
that l O Dle Corey mcghetty, Like it was right
(08:09):
here every day.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Sure your guys, your guys swingman that that to me,
the Clippers swingman was probably the jersey that went triple
platinum one of the most legendary jersey because the thing is,
like I was a Lakers fan and Bulls.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Fan growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Never in my mind as a kid in high school
did I think, oh, I'm gonna go and cop a
Clippers jersey. But the second you guys, obviously seeing the
highlights and Sports Center, but then seeing you guys in
the cover of SLAM, that was the jersey to get.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
And my mom.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was asking my mom, like, I want to d
Miles jersey. I want a cute like She's like this Lam,
that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
That's why that's where everybody's wearing the jersey backwards. Like
you guys really started some stuff that where the culture
just related to y'all and it was like amazing, Like
you had, Shoot, I was in middle school doing this.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Everybody that I know you do a dope move?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You doing you ending with that, So it was like
it was so dope to see and like the people
wouldn't even know that you guys weren't a great team
because of how much everybody was talking about y'all, how
much you were being seen. Like you said one those
six in part music videos movies, it's like LA did
that to y'all, even though y'all wasn't even you know,
(09:22):
one of the best teams in the league.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
That was super dope to see the change of the culture.
I even ran.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There were stories like guys coming in low riders and
and all of that to practice, Like you said, in
the hood, it was that's.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Crazy to even the old school.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Had I said, you like, I wasn't in the old school,
so I wasn't not, but the males literally had I
forget what year or whatever, but he had one of
the joints with the dr and all of that, man like,
and then you know, we went to high school games
and everything, bro Like we.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Like that, that's what was crazy. He's in them.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like we we got like we would goney, we got
so tight with Yeah, we got so tight with all
of them that we would pull up on them at practices.
But like it started like we just like we still
was into the au coach in the high school basketball.
So we was like, all right, who the best teams
we went saw, you know what I'm saying, Marcus Williams,
Evan Barnes, Angelo Collins. We was going around all these
(10:19):
dudes games and then you know we kind of like
I say, we locked in because Westchester was literally right
up the street from where we were practicing in Southwest,
so we had to go past that. So we would
pull up sometime and rock with him and Pressic. We
was definitely pulling up on their games.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And all you guys was eighteen and nineteen, so that
was a that was the age group y'all was cool with,
so that I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
That was that's that's crazy, that's dope.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
That Westchester squad is like ha saunt Adams came to mind.
I grew up in Erie, Pennsylvania, member Adams.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And Adams I remembers, Oh my god, and he.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Was like a celebrity.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Mean, I remember I was wearing I just love basketball
in the culture so much back that I was wearing
an academic sweatsuit.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Nervous a goal to me. He's like, where'd you get that?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I was.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It was just like that time, those those Nike swingman
Mitchell and Nesso. It really truly like what you guys
were doing was was kind of building my whole childhood
at that point.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Said you mentioned you and d Miles eighteen nineteen, a
young squad but then also the reputation that the Clippers
were sort of a down bat organization. Was that kind
of like a good recipe where like you said, you
were excited to just be in the NBA, so it
didn't matter that you guys didn't have the greatest facilities.
You guys were the little brother. I heard you gotta
wash your own socks? Like was that for real? As
(11:35):
an NBA player, Like you had to do stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Okay too far, we ain't had to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Okay ankles like like day I got I got one though,
q Rich, when did you guys know? You guys was
going to sign with the Jordan brand? Like when did
you guys know? So it was gonna be as exclusive
as it was, especially for y'all with the pes early
(12:05):
on all of those things like when did that happen?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So that's two parts. So we like Jordan used to
have his flight school. Jordan used to have a thing
called Michael Jordan Flight School.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Every year.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It would be like from August first to the tenth.
It was like a two week deal. And so what
it was it was like kids from all over the
place in different age gus they come and they go
to Santa Barbara and it's like at the University of
cal has saying U SESB or something like that, and
it's like overnight kids some you know, staying hotels or whatever.
(12:40):
But it's like you do this every year and it's
like the counselors end up being like the top college
players in the country, and then it'll be mixed in
with like probably like the two or three best high
school guys, but it'll be like all of the All
Americans in college. They was a counselor. So after the
day of camp, it would be counselor's games and MJ
were playing a game. So we did that from when
(13:01):
we were in college and high school. We was the
counselors and Da da da dah. So now we know
MJ now were playing at the Clippers. So we like
we were just right after this was going into the season.
We out there, you know, practicing with the team. Were like,
we're gonna go to the Dreaming Camp. So we drive
from LA to UH to Santa Barbara. But at this
point it was like we hadn't signed with nobody. Nike
(13:22):
was you know, doing negotiations. You know, Demiles at that
point was the highest high school player ever taken. Uh,
And so he was negotiating. I got picked eight team,
so I was gonna pot likely get like an apparel
deal wherever it was at. But like at this point
and one was trying to throw every They was doing
a kitchen sink at us. Hella give boxes out of
crazes just just you know what I'm saying, gang of stuff.
(13:42):
So when we go down to Jordan camp, we pull
up with all in one stuff on.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right. So after we get through hooping, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Everybody sitting down getting ice dream Gatorade or whatever and
all that. And MJ was sitting there, he was like
he looking at me and being being black, and he
like he know y'all doing He like I thought, I
thought y'all was y'all was y'all was Nike grassroots guys,
y'all been wearing night like what y'all got all this
stuff on for? Right, So we like, man like, look,
you know, agent say it ain't it ain't going how
(14:12):
we wanted to go, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like they tried so until they figure we don't know
what's gonna happen type type deal. And Mike like he
he said that little too swimming, and he like, nah,
I don't worry about it. He was like, y'all gonna
come with me, And so I'm like we both we
had no clue, like in that moment that night, we
didn't know what that meant because like we didn't even
realize that Mike had you know, he had just started
(14:34):
the Jordan brand like just the year before, so it
wasn't like a whole thing where everybody knew. It was
like this Jordan brand wasn't really even like out out
there like that unless you was like looking off for
in a note like that. So we didn't even really
realize that. So we leave that day and we go
like soon as we left, we called our agent like, man, MJ,
you know what I'm saying. MJ said this da So
(14:56):
he was like okay, So we he was like we're
gonna see what happened. So then next morning Agent Collins
and he like, you guys up with him Jay, and
we like, okay, what does that mean? So like literally
like that happened that day then like maybe like we
still in Santa Bar we were staying at the whatever
that resort is, the car or whatever. And next two
(15:18):
days Bro floodgates, come boxes something about it. We at
the hotel at the resort, like we like, how we
gotta get this stuff back to La Bro, like what
y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Like it?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And it was like from then on it was just
like it was crazy. It was enough like when he
had the casual close the two three. Yeah, like like bro,
it was like and back then it was only like
eight of us, you know what I'm saying. So like
we used to we at least to my knowledge, we
would get like anything Jordan Brand made. We had like
(15:51):
like everything, Like now it's different because it's so many
so they can't send everybody everything Like back then, we
used to get everything, Yeah, iPod case covers, things like
little elephant pint like little it was like just random
stuff that you belts like stuff that never even got warned.
It was like it was just like, Bro, they had
(16:12):
so much stuff for any and everything.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Well tell me about because obviously then you guys did
that one of the most iconic commercials. To me, it
was like one of the most iconic commercials because it
was a Jordan commercial that people weren't talking about Jordan.
They're talking about here's this new class of guys, and
you guys did the Knucklehead.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Celebration and that the Gang Star track, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like, oh, we all knew who you were, but it
was like you guys have officially made it. So like
had that commercial come about? What was it like filming
that on set and then seeing it come on TV?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Bro, the dopest thing I think. You know what I'm saying.
You gotta think we nineteen and twenty, now you know
what I'm saying. This was after our first year, said
were nineteen and twenty, and to get the call for
my agent saying like, yo, we ain't gonna give you
a commercial, like we was like running around like yo,
like it's all.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like it's all right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So then when we when we get there, like we
gotta go to New York to do the thing, but
like we didn't even know, it's like it's like a
whole bonus surprise. Like we get there, like Bro, Spike
Lee is about to produced about to direct the commercial,
it's like, Fike, we like you know what I'm saying,
Like if we bind you, we're still shorty. So it's
(17:28):
like this is all like exploding our brains. Then we
get there. We got like a whole we got our
own trailers and stuff like that going. It was like, bro,
like this is crazy, like like you say, you know
what I'm saying, to do the whole knucklehead and everything,
and the fact that the brown was like embracing it
and putting it out there, like to this day, that's
why you see that shoe back there.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We feel like them seventeens were our shot.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, the originals right there in the corner with the
briefcake like like like yeah, like so like we legit
to this day, like they ain't have to have our
name on him or nothing. But the fact that we
did the commercial and we was on the road out
and we was you know what I'm saying, all of that,
we felt like that was our Jordan shooter. We you
know what I'm saying, put out there and like that
was for us. That was like a dope moment, you
(18:12):
know what I'm saying. And then when Easy made these,
that was why he put these. He wanted us to
help him put them on because he was like these,
when I look at these, I think of y'all, Like
this was y'all shoot too. So like that was like
a whole dope, like a whole connect reconnecting from him
being from the crib and looking at us and like
we inspired him. He's he met us like on the
same thing we had went back to Chicago and we
(18:34):
had a high school summer league game watching my boy
d Gate's younger brother, our mind Gates play. Don't even
know that I had to impact the easy like that,
but he opened the corner looking at me and d
Miles like, man, that's them, like and they you know
what I'm saying, they did like I could do it,
and you know what I'm saying, And he didn't, went
and blew up in the art and the you know
what I'm saying, the world doing his thing. He got
(18:55):
he had got to do a collection with the Jordan brand,
like and it was like a whole rec connected in
somebody I met a long time ago but didn't even
know it.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Man, that's crazy that I always wonder about them Jordan's stories, bro,
because I a big fan growing up obviously of MJ.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But MJ is just different, man.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So it's dope to even see you guys got that
relationship for the rest of you guys's life. And like
we talked about earlier we be waiting none of the post.
When you post the monthly post of getting all the
jays and all that, it'd be like, Man, I wish
I was up branding Jordan, I wish I was.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
No, that's the light to me, doll.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's the thing that you know what I'm saying, just
being down and being loyal. You never know, like you
know what I'm saying, Like I had chances to leave
and go with you know what I'm saying rebok one
time doing my career, but like that was probably only
time I had a chance to leave about you know
what I'm saying, Like it wasn't about the money to me.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's like, bro, this this is my idol growing up
and pick me.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And then I'm like he been holding me down, Like
you know what I'm saying, every rookie con I got
like whatever, fifty thousands, but whatever I got was more
money than I was gonna get pid I'm gonna get
a pair of So for him to take me from
there and be like, nah, I got you, And then
I felt like he put me on to the dopest
brand out there, Like I'm winning already just by being
in the everybody want to be over here. Like you
(20:18):
know what I'm saying, we being real and you take
money out the equation. Who who's not gonna say they
don't want to go with Jordan Brand? Like stop? So
like I knew that and then like from being loyal, Like, bro,
that was two thousand that I signed that deal. Bro,
it's twenty twenty six. I got kids if you feel
me in like I get to steal, be blessed and
(20:38):
be able to be a part of the Jordan family.
And you know what I'm saying, be all my kids
know what nothing but Jordan Brand stuff. And it's like
it's a it's really a family, and like it's a
loyal ten of love and like to know that you
you got that with the goat, Like that's crazy. You
know what I'm saying, I'm a shame, Like you got
to think about Like I'm a Chicago kid. You know
what I'm saying, Inner city kid, watch every single game
(21:00):
on w g in since I was three four years old,
and all I know is this. So it's like for
that to come for a circ when like you know
what I'm saying, he embraced me and rock with me,
Like mind blown.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's one of my favorite things. When you see some
of the younger stars they signed with like the independent
sneaker brands or Chinese brands, but it's the only for
the encore, and then you see them casually and they're
rocking Jordan's non stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It's like nothing. No one can honestly.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Admit that that there is a brand out there better
than the jump in if you came up hooping in
the nineties and two thousands, Like, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I don't think it'll ever be beaten.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But people don't even see like the apparel side, like
y'all you see the kicks, Like I said, tote head
to listen. The year game is immaculate. It is crazy.
I don't think or wear any other clothes at all.
(21:58):
Like literally i'm playing.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I remember when I remember when going into my fourth year,
I was transitioning, going from Reebok, I was looking at Nike.
Obviously I ended up signing with Nike, but in the
middle of that, for like six months, the Jordan brand
was sending me stuff. So I'm wearing the Chris Paul's
in the game, I'm wearing all Jays for half the season.
But the apparel they was sending me every month, it
(22:24):
was like, I was, it's insane, bro, Like I understand why.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You don't buy no clothes. You don't need no clothes.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You're wearing the dopest stuff every month, Like I remember
them six months.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I was.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was waiting every month, like just outside the house,
boxes of stuff, boxes of clothes.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Box I was getting.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
They were sending so much stuff to where I'm thinking
they're sending it for more people in my house. I'm like,
I'm like, this is crazy court off the court, Like
the brand is definitely the best brand outre.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We live about that everything like had like anything like
it'd be it'd be crazy. Then like like we get
like adulte Christmas give might be a crazy bag or
like a something like a backpack or like and it's
gonna be like and then they gonna put that Jordan
brand even if it ain't made by Jordan, like it
(23:18):
might be.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A tune me this or that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They're gonna smack that Jordan logo like actually, oh man,
every time, man, yeah, listen, I said all the time,
I don't know no other brand, but I don't. I
can't see no I ain't heard about nobody doing the
stuff and being at the level that that the Jordans
and the jordan Brand family operating.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
That bro super blessed to be a part of it.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Came up recently in the news.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
People were kind of criticizing the choice that Amari Stottlemeyer
is gonna be elected into the Hall of Fame, which
is crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Anyone who watched that team, Yeah, it's uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
People were saying that we're putting a Mari in the
Hall of Fame, which is wild. Now one, I wanted
to use that as a segue into you guys. You
were on that Sun squad early two thousands, which I
think as a basketball fan, is one of the most
underrated teams. You guys maybe broke up too soon. People
don't forget like you guys. You get deep run, deep
running in the West, change the game of basketball. Talk
(24:25):
about so many teams after that, coaches taking that playbook,
running that style, that running gun style you guys played,
So talk to us about that, that that Sun's team.
And then if you can touch on, like to any
of the haters or doubters of Amari in the Hall
of Fame, what do you have to say to that man.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
First of all, it's too much hating going on just
in general in my opinion, bro, Like why why not
celebrate you know what I'm saying, Like Mari was unbelievable.
You know what I'm saying. He had his run and
his stretch and he did what he did. Like, why
not celebrate that. Why would we want to take and
(25:03):
try and put that man down a wish bad on
him or not want him to make Like why shouldn't
he make the Hall of Fame? He was one of
the youngest dudes. He came out raw, took Rookie of
the Year from everybody when they didn't think he was
gonna be nothing, and went on to become one of
the most dominant forces the NBA has ever seen. And
I was I watched it. First I watched it as
(25:25):
an opposed opposing team, and then I watched it as
his teammate. Like the man was like, listen, name them
Tim Duncan, y'all whoever.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He gave everybody the business.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And this was in the league where there were real
fours and five that the four was sixteen of the
sixty and then you had a seven foot of like
and I'm talking about from the Ken Bay to y'all,
the duncan to name them, name them and go look
at the work and look what a MARII did to them.
And that's no disrespect to none of them, because they
(25:58):
all greats and Hall of famers in their own right.
But that's just showing you from dirt to whoever, like
Omari gave these dudes the full business thirties, forties and
all of that. And I'm talking about in a dominant
demonstrative thunking on you, streaming, roaring and who who, Like, man,
what y'all got?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Y'all got star messed up?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like we need to celebrate, like across the board like
bamn here eighty three we hating on that?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like what what? What's Isaiah?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
How?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
How can we hate on Like?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I just feel like it's too much of that, bro,
Like you know how we rock Isaiah, We knuggle ahead,
We bringing people on the spread, love, show love, to
big up, give flowers and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I don't want to hate on nobody.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I feel like it's enough people outside of our fraternity
to hate on us all the time. We shouldn't be
adding to it, hating and beefing with each other. I
hate to see all of the atmosphere what's going on
and how people just shooting shots back and forth to
each other.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But like me is a Mari Bloons.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He definitely should be in the Hall of Fame on
geek for him, on happy for him. Coach d'An TONI
going in the Hall of Fame too, and he should
be in that too. And you know, like as far
as that team, that team was like, bro, we didn't
the funny thing about it, we didn't. We didn't realize
that we were like doing what we were doing until like,
you know, we would be It would be like after
(27:24):
the game, you you you you know how it is
you win, you you shaking over with some of the
guys you know on another team, they.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Like, Bro, like what the hell y'all was doing in training?
Run that fast? As like we it didn't seem to us.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It didn't seem like we was like like running or
doing nothing real fast. It was literally like, bro, think
about it, bro, Steve Nash would get that thing, that
man hell get the flying He run up the court
licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after
you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you
figure it out real quick, get your ass up and
down the court, and you gonna get the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So it turned into like and then like coach Steve.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
One of the things he did that we now I
could look back on and made us speed up because
he would say, I don't care if they make the shot,
Like if they make the shot, he want us to
get the ball through the net before it even hit
the ground.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And and I don't he don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It ain't no you know how some team would be
like the four man has to take it out of
Nah the closest person to the ball. You would see
Steve Nash grab that thing through the net and hit
it to the first person and they're hit it right
back to him and he take off like that was
just like and then like the other thing Steve would Steve.
People think Steve was all ball dominant. Steve would get
that ball from like the free throw line and one
(28:40):
pass up to the sideline being next to you know,
a Mario Sean Maryon dunking on somebody man because they
were able to just like they both can handle the
ball good enough. Like just think about it, if Mary
catch that thing and transition just come across half court.
It takes Omar gonna hit him with an inside out
of the next thing he on top of his head.
You feel what I'm saying, Like siners couldn't keep up. No,
(29:01):
sinners couldn't keep up with that. They was they was,
it was a nightmare. And then once you started to
see that, it was like, oh no, nobody can't keep
up with this. And all we was doing was just
running with Steve Nash like he was the engine.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And then I feel like Tricks didn't never get enough
credit because think about what Sean Marion did. Bro at
six seven, man, Bro, he got it, Tim Duncan by himself,
Dirk and the Whiskey by himself. You feel me, Chris
Webber by himself, right, Shee Wallace, by all these big
boys for us like that he's six seven and Tricks
(29:35):
averaged the double double, was an all star, all NBA
was all of it. Like this boy six seven and
you go look at some of the numbers he got, Bro.
I was looking at one stat they had like these
were all like first Battle Hall of Fame dudes, like
the number one option on their team, and his stats
were he was the only one that was like not
the number one guy that had the same type stats
(29:57):
as them, like Tricks need to be in Hall of
Fame being for real life again, Bro, ain't you a chip? Yeah?
But like, like come on, dog like tricks. Tricks was amazing, Bro,
he was rebat Like when we played Dallas in that
series and we beat Dallas, go look at that tap
Sean mary and guarded Dirk no whiskey by himself, not
(30:21):
Dirk did what he did, but like to be able to,
like you know how it is like Theiah to lead,
to be able to say, Okay, he just gonna guard him.
We ain't got a double, w ain't gonna go in
rotation like and he gonna like he still he ain't
gonna get fifty or forty, but like you know what
I'm saying, he's still gonna get twenty or something. But
he about to work his ass off for all every
point and then Sean gonna win some too. You feel
(30:42):
me like he's gonna win some of them challenges. So like,
like for him to be able to do that, bro,
in that era of the league, like that was crazy,
and and we ran through that.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
We were sixty two and twenty.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So is that a remember that was that a.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Real thing where like Sean Mary shut down, jerk and
whiskey and then you know, cut to later he's on
the ma's like when you when you shut down.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
When they saw what happened, like we need that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah for sure, Yeah we saw how how valuable
he can't be if they about to dangle him and
he gonna be out there. We got to give him, yeah,
no doubt, no doubt. Strix was drinkes was like that, bro,
I feel like he should be in the hall. That's
me personally. I could be biased to whatever, but damn right,
I'm happy stating there. The haters can hate, That's what
(31:26):
they gonna do, but I'm gonna congratulate my brother and
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shout out to you guys again, what we like to
do on this podcast. Any of the young viewers, go
watch some of those Suns highlights, watch some of there's
full games on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Like people talk about Lakers spurs.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Of that era, but you guys, you guys were were
giving it to him, and so shout out all that
stacked roster.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
I forgot, I was.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I forgot Sean Marion was on that score and he
was a huge part of it, So shout out to
him too. One thing I want to say, because you know,
this is I T's first time doing a pod, and
I want to just give you, guys, you and D
mileson recognition as being one of the pioneers of the
athlete hosting the podcast. I feel like a lot of
people forget that. So one I was like, what was
(32:09):
the story? How did that come to be? And then
you know, who were some of your favorite guests and
what what does the future hold for for I know
you're you're doing broadcasting and more positible.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I would love to hear what you got in for
the future.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So it started when D Miles did UH, my man,
Chris Bernard UH rest in peace now, but he's with
the Players Tribune. He I knew him from being with
the Knicks. He was with the Knicks for a long time,
and so then when he got with the Players Tribune,
I did my UH story first, the letter to my
(32:43):
younger self, because you know they do like UH write
ups and stories with the Players Tribute, so but from
the player's voice basically, and I didn't mind. Then D
Miles ended up moving down to Orlando, so I'm like
you know what I'm saying. I'm telling him because Christ
was like, man, let me know, d Miles want to
you know what I'm saying, And I'm telling them like
I'm like, de like you know what I'm saying. You
saw the response. You know what I'm saying. My little
(33:04):
article got like, bro, if you want to do it,
you know what I'm saying. They really gonna it's gonna
be in your voice. Basically, it ain't gonna be out.
Sometimes we you know us ex actlete. We used to
do an interview and then we like said like that,
like you know what I'm saying type deal. But I
was like I was reassuring him, and like d Miles
was cautious because of that at this time, you know
what I'm saying. He hadn't done nothing in a long time,
(33:25):
had been off the grid and all that. Like that
was the name of his article, like where the hell
has the Darius Miles been or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So when he did, when he agreed to do it,
we went to New York.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I went with him, and it was like everybody around
could just see our chemistry, how funny we was together,
how we mess with each other, and you know what
I'm saying, go back and forth, poking each other, making
fun of each other, just none stop. And it was like,
you know, it's natural because like that's how we've been
since since high school. Type them myself, like it's real authentic.
(33:57):
So like you know what I'm saying, Chris was like,
and y'all, y'all gotta do something, bro like like you
know what I'm saying, Like y'all can't just not do
something with what y'all got going on, And so, like
you know what I'm saying, We was going back and
forth on stuff and d Miles didn't want to have
no parts and no camera and no microphone, but he
was like, nah, I'm cool. So it took once we
settled on doing what we was gonna do, we had
(34:18):
it took time to convince d Miles even you know
what I'm saying, really do it. So once he finally
kind of like agreed to do it, we did the pilot.
It was it was chaotic. It was chaotic, but it
was but like but like you still could see that
like Okay, clean this up, take some of this alcohol away,
(34:40):
and do this, and don't curse as much and do
this and that like y'all can have something. So it's like,
you know what I'm saying. We we kind of obviously
we cleaned up some of them things, and it was like, man,
like it just started being cool, like you know what
I'm saying, like get getting I think our first guessed.
I think our first guessed was Jimmy was Jimmy Butler,
(35:00):
I think. But then it was like every every interview
was like damn, like this kind of fun, like you
know what I'm saying, like this, this is kind of dope.
You know what I'm saying, hollering at dudes like cause
you know, our era, we never got to tell nobody
like no show love. We wasn't swapping jerseys, We wasn't
piecing up like that, telling dudes like you nice.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And all this.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So it was like we kind of removed. We in
a position where we could we could give flowers. We
could tell people like, man, we love this about your game,
or this was dope, or ask them about different things
like you know how it is when you're in the league, Isaiah,
It's like we know a lot of people, but it'd
be dudes over there, like man, I wanted to what's
up with this with him, and you know what I'm saying,
It's like now I could ask those questions. I could
(35:39):
sit in there see and we could just be fans.
Cause that's one thing we always been before we made
the league. We were super fans of the league. While
we was in the league, even if we tell people
were fans of them, you know what I'm saying. And
when we got out the league, I'm still fans of
certain people that play when I played there before me,
and now these guys are playing out on fans of them.
So it's like we we get you get to sit
(36:01):
there and be like kids to the candy store, you
know what I'm saying, Like to get a chance to
talk to to doctor j Bro. Like you know what
I'm saying, Big old Oscar Robertson Bro. Like these is
times where we get off the pod and we clean,
you know, everything, everything done. I'm like, Pops, Like, man,
I just talked George girl.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I was like, can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like this stuff like that,
Like we really it's like like were working, but like
this is like this is like you kidding me, This
is a this is a we get to do this.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It ain't like we gotta work. We get to do this.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
We get to talk to Kevin Garnett to like, you
know what I'm saying, Like to the point to where
we knew we had something good because because Cole you
know what I'm saying, God, he reached out to us,
like yo, Like obviously we would want to get freaking
Kobe Bryant, right, but it was like for him to
(36:59):
reach out to us and say, hey, I see what
y'all doing, and I like that and I want I
want to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Like that was that was like valid valid you know
what I'm saying. Validation like that me and.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Black Life like yo, like what like this, Like yeah,
we was gonna try and reach out and get in
touch to him, but like the fact that he went
through his people and had them reach out to our
people and say, yeah, coach want to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
He was like like that and it was like yo.
And then for the Beetle, like.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
The whole time we went out there and got to
go doing anything, went to his compound and it was like, dude,
it was like you know what I'm saying, Like even
before we started recording, he was just like asking us
how we got it going and just telling us like yeah, bro,
like letting us know that he didn't watched episode saying
different things from the stuff, and like telling us how
he like how he rock with it, and like, you
know what I'm saying, he loved what we're doing, the
(37:50):
positivity we showing on guys and all that. So for me,
it was like, Yo, that was when we really knew,
like all right, like you know what I'm saying, this
thing certified. I'm saying, like cold, you know what I'm saying,
he don't even rock with people like that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What I'm saying that for those things, Yeah, him to
be on y'all show, he.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Reached out Like that was the crazy part. Crazy. You know,
we climbing the ladder light. Yeah, we're gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
We're gonna work our way to try and you know
what I'm saying, figure out who we can get to
to talk to cod And but then it was like
he came out of nowhere and hit us, and he
was like he was like, yeah, just makes the only
thing in true code fact, he was like I either
started or I finished. I'm a bookie and I don't
be in the middle respect respect.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Ah, that's funny, that's dope though, fam, we appreciate those stories.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Man. Yeah, we about we about to be about to
pop back out still be you know, get back out
the points.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
We just we just we had had to go through
our contract thing, but were about to be back out there.
Come on, man, we need read love again, spreading the
love out there.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And you know, I always we, me and Q Rich
beyond these every now and then. So it's like it's
just super dope to hear these legendary stories about MJ,
about the Clippers, about the you know, the whole the
whole journey. So we truly appreciate you, you Rich. And hey,
look I.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I got, I got, I got a dope story for
you about about my man, about my man Nathan great. Right,
I just saw a clip think like a little clipper
his highlights to us. Then I me and my boy
was going back and forth. But I was like, dog
like Nate was unreal, Like are you watching this? Like
this is unreal? But like the story is this right?
(39:35):
So I got traded from Phoenix in the same time
they Phoenix, he got drafted and yeah, so we in
the we in the same We at the press conference together, right,
So we sitting in the back, right in the back
before they bring us out, right, I spoke to him.
He's sitting there like, yeah, what's up, dude. So I'm
sitting there. I'm in my phone doing whatever. He's sitting there,
sitting there. He was like, man, Bro, I can't just
(39:58):
see here and act like about to go Craig Like, Bro,
I used to do this all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
He started going out. I'm like, that's what's up. But
he's like, no, Bro, you understand you and D Miles, Bro,
you and d Mail.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Then he tells me this whole story, like, Bro, like
when y'all came to you and D Miles came to
Gary Payton charity game. Bro, Bro, true story, Me and
my bro chick, we stole a car and made it
down to the renal. Bro. We get up in there.
We sneak up in there. Like D Miles gave me
his jersey, bro and signed this jersey.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So like he got D Miles jersey from the game.
So fast forward, right, we go to Seattle to play
that season. Right, So he like he like, bro, when
y'all come, he like he like he gotta get me Eddie.
He was like trying to get as men and a
team like, Bro, y'all gotta come to my house. Man,
My mama gonna cook, right, but I'm all gonna cook.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Right. So we end up leaving. We end up getting
the Seattle. Bro.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
We left somewhere on the West coast and got there
later than we were supposed to, right, So it was
we were supposed to getting like seven or eight or something.
We ended up getting like almost like eleven, almost midnight, right,
So we like, we getting out, we getting to the hotel.
They like, man, y'all still coming to the house, right,
We like we like, Man, I thought you might have
scapped the Bro's like, no, Bro, no, Bro, you see
(41:11):
my mom still cooking Nate thing. No lie, Bro, I
forget who I win. It was a grip of us
that win. We go to Nate neighborhood in the hood. Bro,
it was like twelve thirty one o'clock. It was like
a block party. Everybody was everybody was there. That I'm
talking about I'm talking about made hell of food. It
was like we in that joint kicking and it was like, Bro,
this is the crazy, but it's the most Nate Robinson
(41:33):
thing ever. It's the most late Robinson thing ever, bro
whole thing, everything still up in true to fashion. We
in there kicking and eating this that third Nate bring
me around the corner to the to the trophy case
and showed shit, the d mile signed Gary Jersey is.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
In there on everything. I say, Yo, this is crazy,
this is crazy.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
True that that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Because fast forward two thousand, what was it, two thousand
and seven or eight? I was in prep school. You
was still on the Knicks. So I was going in
prep school in Connecticut. I would take the train all
the way to Grand Central be with Jamal and Nate
Robinson on the weekend so I could leave school. So
I was always going to the Knicks game, sitting behind
the bench when y'all was playing, waiting to.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
See what Jay's you had on. Every every game.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I was able, it was the Knicks, eights, it was
it was all of those. I was like, so the
memory for me, that's a real Nate Robinson story. But
I used to be there in the background just waiting
to see what kicks you had on, just because I
was a fan, a big fan of not only you,
but you're swagging all of those things. So you know,
shout out to Nate, Shout out to you. That is
(42:45):
a true Nate Robinson's story, and you sounded just like him.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Bro put a bow on all that, like you you said,
you calling your pop saying I just interview, like it
is surreal to me right now. I just did an
interview with Isaiah Thomas and Q Rich and then and
like all the Jordan talk, Like seriously, everyone who knows
me that that's my like personality. That's what I came
up on. So it's incredible. And appreciate you guys. It's
(43:09):
like a cycle. You know, you guys had your idols
and the fan you guys are still fan of the game,
and I'm a fan of the game that I just
appreciate you guys and everything you've done off for the
league and.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Shout out Nate to Nate.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Ate. I know Nate just because I mean Nate got
me through those teams because I was a Bulls.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
Fan and when d Rose went down a couple of times.
People forget that Nate run.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
In Chicago in the playoff thirteen's which I saw, I
t you were rocking at Washington, So Jordan thirteen it's
all full so clinic, come all right, well, hey, check
out q rich on whatever he's doing.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Go back and listen to old knuckleheads pods.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
We appreciate you, q Rich, Yeah, appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Enjoy these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
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Speaker 3 (46:04):
I T playoffs are here. Everything matters now. We've been
talking about it. We got Harol. I'll just do a
little brief overview of what we got here. We got Nuggets,
timber Wolves, Raptors, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Rockets, Lakers. What are
Who are some of these teams that are you guy?
You're excited about? Are going to make a big run
in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Man?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
You know what I'm I'm excited about Like the Nuggets.
I don't think they're being talked about enough. Like they're
one of the teams with that championship experience. Obviously, they
got Joker, They've been playing well towards the end of
the season, So I think that's a team that, like
your peers and the teams don't want to play in
a seven game series.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
But the media is not talking about enough.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Obviously, everybody's talking about okay See and the Spurs on
the Western Conference. But man, that Denver team is a
scary team to play against in the in the in
the series. And also one thing I wish, I wish
the Lakers were healthy man for them to go against
the Rockets in the first round, that would be an
(47:09):
Obviously it could still be an exciting series, but if
the Lakers were healthy, man, that would be that might
be the that might be the most exciting series in
the first round.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Well, it's interesting because we've talked about it a little
bit before and it's obviously devastating. And I think Luke
will be reevaluated this week, is coming back to the
States after treatment. But I mean, I'm sure you caught
some of those last few Laker games. Lebron knows he's
the number one option again and he was putting up numbers.
And I feel like, and this is just a prediction here,
(47:39):
and tell me how you feel, but the Lakers playing
the Rockets, I feel like this is this could be
an upset here. I know that the Rockets are favored
obviously because they're healthier. But again, playoff Lebron is different,
and we we basketball fans, we like if we if
we think that Lebron's just gonna get swept or just
(47:59):
gonna go down, take like we gotta be kidding ourselves,
like this has happened before. So do you share any
of that same prediction here that we might be in
for a vintage Lebron series and he could potentially take
on the Rockets almost by himself.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, I mean that's all we've ever seen. So it's like, why,
why is it gonna change now? Yeah, you just can't
any team Lebron's done. You can't put it past him
to go to work in the playoffs like he's He's.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Shown that year in and year out.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yes he is forty one years old, Yes he's been
in the league for forever. But you know, his peers,
your peers know in a playoff series, you can never
count that man out. Bro. Yeah, like him being the
number one option the world, counting the Lakers out because
they don't have their two hitters with him.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
This might be the time Lebron waits everybody up again.
You never know.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I'm not putting it past Lebron not showing up and
showing out, because he's done it.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Our whole life.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
He's done it our whole life, not not not half
of our life, he's done it almost our whole life.
So I'm not putting it past Lebron doing this thing
and possibly winning a series, especially the first round by itself.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
So who should we look out for.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Let's go over to the East in some of those
matchups here, I think some of the headlines there is,
you know, Pistons without Kate Cunningham, but they were your
obvious favorite in that conference, So is there any chance
that the Pistons may fall? And then obviously talking about
your old squad, the Celtics, Tatum has been back.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
Is that team favored?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
What are your general thoughts about the playoffs starting over
in the East.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Obviously you got to throw out you gotta say Detroit's
the favorite. They're one of the best teams in the
league all season long. Yeah, Kate Cunningham was down towards
the end of the year and they still played really well,
Like guys stepped up. That was surprising for me. But
like the favorite I think has to be the Boston Celtics,
like like they're they're at full strength. Jason Tatum is
(50:04):
looking right, he's looking like he's getting his rhythm back. Yeah,
Jalen Brown is MVP caliber season, still doing this thing
leading that group, and they got championship experience, so like
you can't put that aside. And I think they going
into the playoffs, they are the favorite. They're the team
that's won before they know how to win. Their coaching
(50:24):
staff repairs those guys. And then another team you got
to look out for for me is Cleveland. Like they
made that big trade for James Harden. I think it's
championship our bus because you traded for a thirty five
year old this towards the end of his career. But
we know what James Harden is capable of doing. So
I think that's the third team that can cause real
(50:46):
problems in the Eastern Conference. But I'm gonna give Detroit
their respect. But my favorite for right now, I mean
they're looking a little scary is the is the Boston Celtics.
Bro And that's and I think those are my three
teams in each conference. Okay, see Spurs, Denver, Detroit, Boston
(51:06):
and the Cleveland Cavaliers are teams that they can make
real noise in the playoffs for both sides.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
It's just, yeah, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
It's it's crazy how everyone was talking about this Celtics
season being lost and then they just got to get
through it.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Manj It is crazy because like it was surprising to
see Jalen Brown do what he's done this whole season
and their team be as good as they are, and
then for Jason Tatum to come back and it just
be like, yes, he's he's been rusty at times, but
like overall he's been looking like he's been looking really
(51:42):
good and his rhythm is there, and the team has
just accepted him coming in like that. Let's not talk
about like how how difficult that transition usually is for
a superstar to come back and hasn't played all year.
Like it's been really smooth for him coming back and
not stepping on nobody these toes. Jalen Brown is still
doing his thing, and then those guys still playing at
(52:05):
a high level, the role players still playing at a high
level with slowly getting Jason Tatum back in the thicker thing.
So it's a scary, it's a scary situation to play
against the Boston Celtics team that is at full straight.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
No, we talked, I mean, like honestly to their benefit.
They they got Pritcher playing more minutes this year. They're
figured they got you know, don't forget what they got
Vucevich and they're still trying to figure that out. But
other guys have stepped up, so, you know, obviously with
devastating seeing Tatum go down, but he had some time
to recover, uh, and these other players got the minutes
and it's it's it's just been impressive seeing what they have.
(52:39):
So we'll see how how far run they making in. Yeah, man,
then we got the playoff playing games tonight. This will
be obviously as we record this, the playing games are
happening tonight. We'll see who gets in. I don't want
to make any predictions there because we'll probably you know,
be too late once this episode comes out. But it's
playoff time and play like just just tell us quickly
before we sign off. Here the mindset of a player
(53:01):
about to kick off.
Speaker 6 (53:03):
You know this postseason, man, you.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Got to be locked in, Like, the playoffs are truly
a different season than the regular season. So anybody who
hasn't experienced the playoffs. Obviously, as a fan watching you
see how much different the energy is, the atmosphere is
as a fan. So as a player, it's a hundred
times even more. You got to be locked in. You
playing a team one time, you playing a team possibly
(53:28):
seven times seven times. So it's not like in the
regular season where the games are coming so fast. You
focus on one team, then you're onto the next. Teams
are dialed in, players are locked in. They're taking away
your first second, possibly your third option. Everybody has those
thick binders with the Scouter report. It's just the playoffs
(53:52):
are really a serious thing and it's where the best
players show why you're the best players.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
So, like I'm excited about the playoff.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
My mindset going in the playoffs was just being super
locked in, eliminating all of my distractions, anything that I
can control out there there's possibly a distraction, eliminating that
out of my life, and just being all about the
team because that's the focus you need to win not
only a playoff series, but playoff games because the level
(54:22):
of concentration is just so high, and you know, like
it's just it's really winter, go home, and every possession matters,
and it's so much it's so different than the regular season.
So I'm excited about the playoffs. I'm excited about playoff
basketball because that's the best time of the year and
everybody's more locked in. And it's not just layups or threes.
(54:43):
It's like, how can we win this possession? And if
a mid range gotta be taken, you're taking the mid range.
Bro and the computer analytic things are kind of eliminated
as much as they are in the regular season because
it's about feel, it's about taking advantage of matchups, it's
about all of those things. And the playoffs is where
(55:06):
you want to be, momentum, all of those things, Like
so home coourin advantage, Like the playoffs are where you
want to be. And I didn't realize it until I
didn't make the playoffs until my fourth year in the league.
So like, you don't understand how serious the playoffs are
until you're in it.
Speaker 5 (55:22):
And yeah, you got nerves, you're nervous and all of
those things.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
The world is watching, but it's the best time to
showcase what you've been working on all year long. It's
where the stars become superstars, is where role players become stars.
It's the best time of the year, so it's basketball
heaven for us, and I can't wait to watch these
games in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
Love it, man, you got me hyped.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Come on, man, I should be the voice over for
the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Shout out to my guy, Jamal Crawford. Man, if you
haven't heard, he's done a voiceover. This has been amazing.
You know, he's been one of our guests, my big bro.
I'm super excited it for him. Bro, he's doing he's
doing major things, and you know, we're just trying to
follow in the footsteps of the greats like him.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Love it well, man, he said it best there, guys.
Keep it locked here to Point Game. If you enjoyed
this episode, we're just getting started hearing the playoffs. We're
gonna be talking to it, talking about what's going on
every night in the playoffs. Keep it locked here. We're
gonna have more guests. We just got a lot here
here on Point Game.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
More in store. We'll see you guys next
This was after our first year, said we're nineteen and
twenty to get the call from my agent saying like, yo,
you ain't gonna give you a commercial.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Like we was like running around.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Like yo, like it's all like it's all right when
we get that, like we gotta go to New York
to do the thing, but like we didn't even know.
It's like it's like a whole bonus surprise, Like we
get that, like, Bro, Spike Lee is about to produced,
about to direct the commercial. It's like, Spike, we like
you know what I'm saying, Like if we bind you,
(00:31):
we're still shorty. So it's like this is all like
exploding our brains. Then we get there, we got like
a whole we got our own trailers and stuff like
that going.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It was like, Bro, like this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Welcome to another episode of Point Game with Isaiah Thomas
and CJ. Toldono, we got a very special episode this
week where we're going to be talking to another legend
of the game you may nail for his time with
the Clippers, Sons, Nix, and more, but most notably half
of the duo known as the Knuckleheads. Everyone please welcome
Basketball in Chicago. Legend Quentin Richardson. You rich how are
(01:26):
we feeling?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Man, appreciate you all having you already know, it's it's
always honor to have you know, the guys that I
looked up to when I was coming up on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
So we appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Faim already already you rich I just I mean me
and I t We've been getting to know each other
over this whole season.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
I think one of the things that the passion that and.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Hobbies that we share a Jordan brand, Jordan sneakers and
obviously just taking us back to those early two thousands,
the Knuckleheads years, you guys on the Clippers, I just
want to as you you know, because we all saw
that blow up. But like when when did you and
d Miles know that that chemistry was special? And then
(02:08):
did you know it was gonna get as big as
it did?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we knew we had chemistry from high school. I mean,
like I said, that's how we first met. We played
AU together. He was a couple of years under. But
you know my AU coach, Larry Butler, he started skill
in D Miles and he you know, and the way
he did it when we had young guys that were good.
They played up grade, so so d Miles automatically played
up with us. And you know, we went around the
(02:32):
city that I mean around the country that summer and
we was, we was winning championships. So like we developed
that chemistry right then, and like we clicked, you know
what I'm saying, the friendship, the bond connected, and you know,
we stayed in touch even though he was in East
Saint Louis and I was in Chicago. And then I actually,
you know, obviously went to college and he I still
kept eye on him playing for Butler and the Warriors,
(02:53):
and then even in high school he was just dominating.
And then you know, he he became as successful as
he was a number one one player in the country
and all of those things. And it was like, I
remember when he came on his visit, he came to
you know, he can't be powered for a visit. I'm
his host, and I'm sitting there like, bro, like I
don't even know what you're doing visits, but you already
know you know what I'm saying. At this point, you
(03:15):
out of here this one. You still could go straight
out of high school. So I'm like, bro, it ain't
even you know what I'm saying, No need for me
to try and persuade nothing, you know what I'm saying.
But that was what all of that chemistry, you know,
kind of developed before we even got there, before we
even got to the Clippers. But like I would say,
we we started to realize that, you know that, you know,
we was kind of turned the page for the Clippers
(03:36):
and becoming popular. Like when when you know one O
six in Park was big then during this time idead.
So like once we started seeing like L and D.
Miles jerseys, like the art of rap artists was, you
know what I'm saying. Once they started doing that, you
start seeing Clippers jerseys everywhere it was either you know,
mostly it was L or D.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Miles.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
But like that was when we started to see like
like you know what I'm saying, the culture at least
rocking with the Clippers, you know what I'm saying. Like
even though we knew, come on, man, it's the Lakers,
Kobe and Kobe and on three feet right now, we
knew it was day City and it was always going
to be a Laker City. But like we was carving out,
you know, our own little corner over here in the corner.
(04:18):
So that was when that really we started to realize
that when when we started to see the videos in
the hip hop videos and it was like Clippers jerseys
in that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, Now that's the dopest part because obviously you guys
had a young team and you guys like winning wise,
you guys wasn't winning a lot, But for the culture
of the game, you would think you guys was on
the Lakers because every like you said, like you said
the rap videos one oh six in part, everything that
you know, a young kid, especially from the inner City,
(04:47):
looked up to, you would see Clippers jerseys. You would
see you would see you know, them talking about you
guys in wraps and putting you guys in bars. So
that was like, how did that feel in terms of
obviously on the court, the wins wasn't there, but like
going around the city of La being on the Clippers,
obviously it's the little brother to the Lakers. But like
(05:08):
the culture that you guys was bringing was at that time,
especially like around the organization, was was that like frowned
upon or was like the world or the organization accepting
y'all for who you guys were coming from where you
guys came from and brought that culture to the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Listen, bro, you gotta understand coming in right, coming in
our agents, nobody wanted us to go to the Clippers.
We didn't work out for the Clippers and trained like,
we didn't go to the predraft Literally I would have
to double with keon double check, but I don't. None
of us worked out for them. Everybody's agent was like,
you know, you don't want to go there. That's the
(05:47):
worst organization and all of that stuff. Right, So we
get drafted there and it's like, come on, Isaiah, you
know how it is if you get drafted. It's like
a certain point, I don't care when I'm getting drafted.
I'm in the league, bro, you know what I'm saying,
Like this is my dream. And then it was like
you could be in worse places than LA. You feel me, Like,
(06:08):
you could bet there's worst places to get drafted to
in Los Angeles, California. All bid we was, we was
you know, we ain't in no facilities. We was working
out and practicing at LA Southwest Junior College, which was
like it was in the hood, but like, you know,
we come from that. So it was like it was
like we didn't we weren't old enough and we hadn't
seen enough to note that like this is wild. So
(06:30):
it was just like we were just doing what we
was doing and it was like, bro, like we gonna hoop,
you know what I'm saying, and like we saw what
they were last year. So like for us, it's like
we we felt like especially me and d Miles, we
was like he eighteen, I'm nineteen. We out chre We
like we we Hollywood superstars, like you know what I'm saying,
Like they called us to be in TV shows, one
(06:51):
on one, R List and all of this stuff, like
did a movie with Ryan Reynolds, like but then D
Minds did a movie back itself.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Like you know what I'm saying, You was a main
character in that.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Like, bro, like it was like you like we was
having fun, like you know what I'm saying. Like even
though like you know how it is, Isaiah, It's like
you might want to go here, want to go there,
but once you get in your situation, you're gonna make
the best of it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We was like we was living our dreams.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
So it was like at the same time, like we'd
rather be winning more like yeah, but like we got
to control.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We controlled. We eighteen nineteen rookies in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
You don't run nothing like just hoop Joe like when
you get your chains bout thereing ball. That was all
we was on. Like we didn't care we got in
the game down twenty, like we was about to try
and dunk on somebody and throw our set up in me.
It didn't matter. It was like we this our game.
We got this time frame to get out there and
show our stuff. That was how we looked at it,
cause we ain't know certain nights, no, we it was clustered,
(07:48):
you know what I'm saying. It was me mcghetti. Then
they still had Tyrone nesbying podcast and we were too
young to know that they were trying to showcase them
and then you know, get them out of there. But
like we were just sitting there like was like crazy, bro,
Like we would be in there like could you imagine
that l O Dle Corey mcghetty, Like it was right
(08:09):
here every day.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Sure your guys, your guys swingman that that to me,
the Clippers swingman was probably the jersey that went triple
platinum one of the most legendary jersey because the thing is,
like I was a Lakers fan and Bulls.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Fan growing up.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Never in my mind as a kid in high school
did I think, oh, I'm gonna go and cop a
Clippers jersey. But the second you guys, obviously seeing the
highlights and Sports Center, but then seeing you guys in
the cover of SLAM, that was the jersey to get.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
And my mom.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was asking my mom, like, I want to d
Miles jersey. I want a cute like She's like this Lam,
that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
That's why that's where everybody's wearing the jersey backwards. Like
you guys really started some stuff that where the culture
just related to y'all and it was like amazing, Like
you had, Shoot, I was in middle school doing this.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Everybody that I know you do a dope move?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
You doing you ending with that, So it was like
it was so dope to see and like the people
wouldn't even know that you guys weren't a great team
because of how much everybody was talking about y'all, how
much you were being seen. Like you said one those
six in part music videos movies, it's like LA did
that to y'all, even though y'all wasn't even you know,
(09:22):
one of the best teams in the league.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
That was super dope to see the change of the culture.
I even ran.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There were stories like guys coming in low riders and
and all of that to practice, Like you said, in
the hood, it was that's.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Crazy to even the old school.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Had I said, you like, I wasn't in the old school,
so I wasn't not, but the males literally had I
forget what year or whatever, but he had one of
the joints with the dr and all of that, man like,
and then you know, we went to high school games
and everything, bro Like we.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Like that, that's what was crazy. He's in them.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like we we got like we would goney, we got
so tight with Yeah, we got so tight with all
of them that we would pull up on them at practices.
But like it started like we just like we still
was into the au coach in the high school basketball.
So we was like, all right, who the best teams
we went saw, you know what I'm saying, Marcus Williams,
Evan Barnes, Angelo Collins. We was going around all these
(10:19):
dudes games and then you know we kind of like
I say, we locked in because Westchester was literally right
up the street from where we were practicing in Southwest,
so we had to go past that. So we would
pull up sometime and rock with him and Pressic. We
was definitely pulling up on their games.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And all you guys was eighteen and nineteen, so that
was a that was the age group y'all was cool with,
so that I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
That was that's that's crazy, that's dope.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
That Westchester squad is like ha saunt Adams came to mind.
I grew up in Erie, Pennsylvania, member Adams.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And Adams I remembers, Oh my god, and he.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Was like a celebrity.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Mean, I remember I was wearing I just love basketball
in the culture so much back that I was wearing
an academic sweatsuit.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Nervous a goal to me. He's like, where'd you get that?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I was.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
It was just like that time, those those Nike swingman
Mitchell and Nesso. It really truly like what you guys
were doing was was kind of building my whole childhood
at that point.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Said you mentioned you and d Miles eighteen nineteen, a
young squad but then also the reputation that the Clippers
were sort of a down bat organization. Was that kind
of like a good recipe where like you said, you
were excited to just be in the NBA, so it
didn't matter that you guys didn't have the greatest facilities.
You guys were the little brother. I heard you gotta
wash your own socks? Like was that for real? As
(11:35):
an NBA player, Like you had to do stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Okay too far, we ain't had to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Okay ankles like like day I got I got one though,
q Rich, when did you guys know? You guys was
going to sign with the Jordan brand? Like when did
you guys know? So it was gonna be as exclusive
as it was, especially for y'all with the pes early
(12:05):
on all of those things like when did that happen?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
So that's two parts. So we like Jordan used to
have his flight school. Jordan used to have a thing
called Michael Jordan Flight School.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Every year.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
It would be like from August first to the tenth.
It was like a two week deal. And so what
it was it was like kids from all over the
place in different age gus they come and they go
to Santa Barbara and it's like at the University of
cal has saying U SESB or something like that, and
it's like overnight kids some you know, staying hotels or whatever.
(12:40):
But it's like you do this every year and it's
like the counselors end up being like the top college
players in the country, and then it'll be mixed in
with like probably like the two or three best high
school guys, but it'll be like all of the All
Americans in college. They was a counselor. So after the
day of camp, it would be counselor's games and MJ
were playing a game. So we did that from when
(13:01):
we were in college and high school. We was the
counselors and Da da da dah. So now we know
MJ now were playing at the Clippers. So we like
we were just right after this was going into the season.
We out there, you know, practicing with the team. Were like,
we're gonna go to the Dreaming Camp. So we drive
from LA to UH to Santa Barbara. But at this
point it was like we hadn't signed with nobody. Nike
(13:22):
was you know, doing negotiations. You know, Demiles at that
point was the highest high school player ever taken. Uh,
And so he was negotiating. I got picked eight team,
so I was gonna pot likely get like an apparel
deal wherever it was at. But like at this point
and one was trying to throw every They was doing
a kitchen sink at us. Hella give boxes out of
crazes just just you know what I'm saying, gang of stuff.
(13:42):
So when we go down to Jordan camp, we pull
up with all in one stuff on.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right. So after we get through hooping, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Everybody sitting down getting ice dream Gatorade or whatever and
all that. And MJ was sitting there, he was like
he looking at me and being being black, and he
like he know y'all doing He like I thought, I
thought y'all was y'all was y'all was Nike grassroots guys,
y'all been wearing night like what y'all got all this
stuff on for? Right, So we like, man like, look,
you know, agent say it ain't it ain't going how
(14:12):
we wanted to go, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like they tried so until they figure we don't know
what's gonna happen type type deal. And Mike like he
he said that little too swimming, and he like, nah,
I don't worry about it. He was like, y'all gonna
come with me, And so I'm like we both we
had no clue, like in that moment that night, we
didn't know what that meant because like we didn't even
realize that Mike had you know, he had just started
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the Jordan brand like just the year before, so it
wasn't like a whole thing where everybody knew. It was
like this Jordan brand wasn't really even like out out
there like that unless you was like looking off for
in a note like that. So we didn't even really
realize that. So we leave that day and we go
like soon as we left, we called our agent like, man, MJ,
you know what I'm saying. MJ said this da So
(14:56):
he was like okay, So we he was like we're
gonna see what happened. So then next morning Agent Collins
and he like, you guys up with him Jay, and
we like, okay, what does that mean? So like literally
like that happened that day then like maybe like we
still in Santa Bar we were staying at the whatever
that resort is, the car or whatever. And next two
(15:18):
days Bro floodgates, come boxes something about it. We at
the hotel at the resort, like we like, how we
gotta get this stuff back to La Bro, like what
y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Like it?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
And it was like from then on it was just
like it was crazy. It was enough like when he
had the casual close the two three. Yeah, like like bro,
it was like and back then it was only like
eight of us, you know what I'm saying. So like
we used to we at least to my knowledge, we
would get like anything Jordan Brand made. We had like
(15:51):
like everything, Like now it's different because it's so many
so they can't send everybody everything Like back then, we
used to get everything, Yeah, iPod case covers, things like
little elephant pint like little it was like just random
stuff that you belts like stuff that never even got warned.
It was like it was just like, Bro, they had
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so much stuff for any and everything.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Well tell me about because obviously then you guys did
that one of the most iconic commercials. To me, it
was like one of the most iconic commercials because it
was a Jordan commercial that people weren't talking about Jordan.
They're talking about here's this new class of guys, and
you guys did the Knucklehead.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Celebration and that the Gang Star track, and it's just.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Like, oh, we all knew who you were, but it
was like you guys have officially made it. So like
had that commercial come about? What was it like filming
that on set and then seeing it come on TV?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Bro, the dopest thing I think. You know what I'm saying.
You gotta think we nineteen and twenty, now you know
what I'm saying. This was after our first year, said
were nineteen and twenty, and to get the call for
my agent saying like, yo, we ain't gonna give you
a commercial, like we was like running around like yo,
like it's all.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Like it's all right.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
So then when we when we get there, like we
gotta go to New York to do the thing, but
like we didn't even know, it's like it's like a
whole bonus surprise. Like we get there, like Bro, Spike
Lee is about to produced about to direct the commercial,
it's like, Fike, we like you know what I'm saying,
Like if we bind you, we're still shorty. So it's
(17:28):
like this is all like exploding our brains. Then we
get there. We got like a whole we got our
own trailers and stuff like that going. It was like, bro,
like this is crazy, like like you say, you know
what I'm saying, to do the whole knucklehead and everything,
and the fact that the brown was like embracing it
and putting it out there, like to this day, that's
why you see that shoe back there.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
We feel like them seventeens were our shot.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, the originals right there in the corner with the
briefcake like like like yeah, like so like we legit
to this day, like they ain't have to have our
name on him or nothing. But the fact that we
did the commercial and we was on the road out
and we was you know what I'm saying, all of that,
we felt like that was our Jordan shooter. We you
know what I'm saying, put out there and like that
was for us. That was like a dope moment, you
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know what I'm saying. And then when Easy made these,
that was why he put these. He wanted us to
help him put them on because he was like these,
when I look at these, I think of y'all, Like
this was y'all shoot too. So like that was like
a whole dope, like a whole connect reconnecting from him
being from the crib and looking at us and like
we inspired him. He's he met us like on the
same thing we had went back to Chicago and we
(18:34):
had a high school summer league game watching my boy
d Gate's younger brother, our mind Gates play. Don't even
know that I had to impact the easy like that,
but he opened the corner looking at me and d
Miles like, man, that's them, like and they you know
what I'm saying, they did like I could do it,
and you know what I'm saying, And he didn't, went
and blew up in the art and the you know
what I'm saying, the world doing his thing. He got
(18:55):
he had got to do a collection with the Jordan brand,
like and it was like a whole rec connected in
somebody I met a long time ago but didn't even
know it.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Man, that's crazy that I always wonder about them Jordan's stories, bro,
because I a big fan growing up obviously of MJ.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But MJ is just different, man.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So it's dope to even see you guys got that
relationship for the rest of you guys's life. And like
we talked about earlier we be waiting none of the post.
When you post the monthly post of getting all the
jays and all that, it'd be like, Man, I wish
I was up branding Jordan, I wish I was.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
No, that's the light to me, doll.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's the thing that you know what I'm saying, just
being down and being loyal. You never know, like you
know what I'm saying, Like I had chances to leave
and go with you know what I'm saying rebok one
time doing my career, but like that was probably only
time I had a chance to leave about you know
what I'm saying, Like it wasn't about the money to me.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's like, bro, this this is my idol growing up
and pick me.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
And then I'm like he been holding me down, Like
you know what I'm saying, every rookie con I got
like whatever, fifty thousands, but whatever I got was more
money than I was gonna get pid I'm gonna get
a pair of So for him to take me from
there and be like, nah, I got you, And then
I felt like he put me on to the dopest
brand out there, Like I'm winning already just by being
in the everybody want to be over here. Like you
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know what I'm saying, we being real and you take
money out the equation. Who who's not gonna say they
don't want to go with Jordan Brand? Like stop? So
like I knew that and then like from being loyal, Like, bro,
that was two thousand that I signed that deal. Bro,
it's twenty twenty six. I got kids if you feel
me in like I get to steal, be blessed and
(20:38):
be able to be a part of the Jordan family.
And you know what I'm saying, be all my kids
know what nothing but Jordan Brand stuff. And it's like
it's a it's really a family, and like it's a
loyal ten of love and like to know that you
you got that with the goat, Like that's crazy. You
know what I'm saying, I'm a shame, Like you got
to think about Like I'm a Chicago kid. You know
what I'm saying, Inner city kid, watch every single game
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on w g in since I was three four years old,
and all I know is this. So it's like for
that to come for a circ when like you know
what I'm saying, he embraced me and rock with me,
Like mind blown.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's one of my favorite things. When you see some
of the younger stars they signed with like the independent
sneaker brands or Chinese brands, but it's the only for
the encore, and then you see them casually and they're
rocking Jordan's non stuff.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
It's like nothing. No one can honestly.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Admit that that there is a brand out there better
than the jump in if you came up hooping in
the nineties and two thousands, Like, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
I don't think it'll ever be beaten.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
But people don't even see like the apparel side, like
y'all you see the kicks, Like I said, tote head
to listen. The year game is immaculate. It is crazy.
I don't think or wear any other clothes at all.
(21:58):
Like literally i'm playing.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I remember when I remember when going into my fourth year,
I was transitioning, going from Reebok, I was looking at Nike.
Obviously I ended up signing with Nike, but in the
middle of that, for like six months, the Jordan brand
was sending me stuff. So I'm wearing the Chris Paul's
in the game, I'm wearing all Jays for half the season.
But the apparel they was sending me every month, it
(22:24):
was like, I was, it's insane, bro, Like I understand why.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
You don't buy no clothes. You don't need no clothes.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You're wearing the dopest stuff every month, Like I remember
them six months.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I was.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was waiting every month, like just outside the house,
boxes of stuff, boxes of clothes.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Box I was getting.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
They were sending so much stuff to where I'm thinking
they're sending it for more people in my house. I'm like,
I'm like, this is crazy court off the court, Like
the brand is definitely the best brand outre.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We live about that everything like had like anything like
it'd be it'd be crazy. Then like like we get
like adulte Christmas give might be a crazy bag or
like a something like a backpack or like and it's
gonna be like and then they gonna put that Jordan
brand even if it ain't made by Jordan, like it
(23:18):
might be.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
A tune me this or that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They're gonna smack that Jordan logo like actually, oh man,
every time, man, yeah, listen, I said all the time,
I don't know no other brand, but I don't. I
can't see no I ain't heard about nobody doing the
stuff and being at the level that that the Jordans
and the jordan Brand family operating.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
That bro super blessed to be a part of it.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Came up recently in the news.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
People were kind of criticizing the choice that Amari Stottlemeyer
is gonna be elected into the Hall of Fame, which
is crazy.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Anyone who watched that team, Yeah, it's uh yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
People were saying that we're putting a Mari in the
Hall of Fame, which is wild. Now one, I wanted
to use that as a segue into you guys. You
were on that Sun squad early two thousands, which I
think as a basketball fan, is one of the most
underrated teams. You guys maybe broke up too soon. People
don't forget like you guys. You get deep run, deep
running in the West, change the game of basketball. Talk
(24:25):
about so many teams after that, coaches taking that playbook,
running that style, that running gun style you guys played,
So talk to us about that, that that Sun's team.
And then if you can touch on, like to any
of the haters or doubters of Amari in the Hall
of Fame, what do you have to say to that man.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
First of all, it's too much hating going on just
in general in my opinion, bro, Like why why not
celebrate you know what I'm saying, Like Mari was unbelievable.
You know what I'm saying. He had his run and
his stretch and he did what he did. Like, why
not celebrate that. Why would we want to take and
(25:03):
try and put that man down a wish bad on
him or not want him to make Like why shouldn't
he make the Hall of Fame? He was one of
the youngest dudes. He came out raw, took Rookie of
the Year from everybody when they didn't think he was
gonna be nothing, and went on to become one of
the most dominant forces the NBA has ever seen. And
I was I watched it. First I watched it as
(25:25):
an opposed opposing team, and then I watched it as
his teammate. Like the man was like, listen, name them
Tim Duncan, y'all whoever.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He gave everybody the business.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And this was in the league where there were real
fours and five that the four was sixteen of the
sixty and then you had a seven foot of like
and I'm talking about from the Ken Bay to y'all,
the duncan to name them, name them and go look
at the work and look what a MARII did to them.
And that's no disrespect to none of them, because they
(25:58):
all greats and Hall of famers in their own right.
But that's just showing you from dirt to whoever, like
Omari gave these dudes the full business thirties, forties and
all of that. And I'm talking about in a dominant
demonstrative thunking on you, streaming, roaring and who who, Like, man,
what y'all got?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Y'all got star messed up?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like we need to celebrate, like across the board like
bamn here eighty three we hating on that?
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Like what what? What's Isaiah?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Like?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
What?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
How?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
How can we hate on Like?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I just feel like it's too much of that, bro,
Like you know how we rock Isaiah, We knuggle ahead,
We bringing people on the spread, love, show love, to
big up, give flowers and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I don't want to hate on nobody.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I feel like it's enough people outside of our fraternity
to hate on us all the time. We shouldn't be
adding to it, hating and beefing with each other. I
hate to see all of the atmosphere what's going on
and how people just shooting shots back and forth to
each other.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But like me is a Mari Bloons.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He definitely should be in the Hall of Fame on
geek for him, on happy for him. Coach d'An TONI
going in the Hall of Fame too, and he should
be in that too. And you know, like as far
as that team, that team was like, bro, we didn't
the funny thing about it, we didn't. We didn't realize
that we were like doing what we were doing until like,
you know, we would be It would be like after
(27:24):
the game, you you you you know how it is
you win, you you shaking over with some of the
guys you know on another team, they.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Like, Bro, like what the hell y'all was doing in training?
Run that fast? As like we it didn't seem to us.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It didn't seem like we was like like running or
doing nothing real fast. It was literally like, bro, think
about it, bro, Steve Nash would get that thing, that
man hell get the flying He run up the court
licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after
you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you
figure it out real quick, get your ass up and
down the court, and you gonna get the ball.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So it turned into like and then like coach Steve.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
One of the things he did that we now I
could look back on and made us speed up because
he would say, I don't care if they make the shot,
Like if they make the shot, he want us to
get the ball through the net before it even hit
the ground.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
And and I don't he don't care.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It ain't no you know how some team would be
like the four man has to take it out of
Nah the closest person to the ball. You would see
Steve Nash grab that thing through the net and hit
it to the first person and they're hit it right
back to him and he take off like that was
just like and then like the other thing Steve would Steve.
People think Steve was all ball dominant. Steve would get
that ball from like the free throw line and one
(28:40):
pass up to the sideline being next to you know,
a Mario Sean Maryon dunking on somebody man because they
were able to just like they both can handle the
ball good enough. Like just think about it, if Mary
catch that thing and transition just come across half court.
It takes Omar gonna hit him with an inside out
of the next thing he on top of his head.
You feel what I'm saying, Like siners couldn't keep up. No,
(29:01):
sinners couldn't keep up with that. They was they was,
it was a nightmare. And then once you started to
see that, it was like, oh no, nobody can't keep
up with this. And all we was doing was just
running with Steve Nash like he was the engine.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And then I feel like Tricks didn't never get enough
credit because think about what Sean Marion did. Bro at
six seven, man, Bro, he got it, Tim Duncan by himself,
Dirk and the Whiskey by himself. You feel me, Chris
Webber by himself, right, Shee Wallace, by all these big
boys for us like that he's six seven and Tricks
(29:35):
averaged the double double, was an all star, all NBA
was all of it. Like this boy six seven and
you go look at some of the numbers he got, Bro.
I was looking at one stat they had like these
were all like first Battle Hall of Fame dudes, like
the number one option on their team, and his stats
were he was the only one that was like not
the number one guy that had the same type stats
(29:57):
as them, like Tricks need to be in Hall of
Fame being for real life again, Bro, ain't you a chip? Yeah?
But like, like come on, dog like tricks. Tricks was amazing, Bro,
he was rebat Like when we played Dallas in that
series and we beat Dallas, go look at that tap
Sean mary and guarded Dirk no whiskey by himself, not
(30:21):
Dirk did what he did, but like to be able to,
like you know how it is like Theiah to lead,
to be able to say, Okay, he just gonna guard him.
We ain't got a double, w ain't gonna go in
rotation like and he gonna like he still he ain't
gonna get fifty or forty, but like you know what
I'm saying, he's still gonna get twenty or something. But
he about to work his ass off for all every
point and then Sean gonna win some too. You feel
(30:42):
me like he's gonna win some of them challenges. So like,
like for him to be able to do that, bro,
in that era of the league, like that was crazy,
and and we ran through that.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
We were sixty two and twenty.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
So is that a remember that was that a.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Real thing where like Sean Mary shut down, jerk and
whiskey and then you know, cut to later he's on
the ma's like when you when you shut down.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
When they saw what happened, like we need that.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah for sure, Yeah we saw how how valuable
he can't be if they about to dangle him and
he gonna be out there. We got to give him, yeah,
no doubt, no doubt. Strix was drinkes was like that, bro,
I feel like he should be in the hall. That's
me personally. I could be biased to whatever, but damn right,
I'm happy stating there. The haters can hate, That's what
(31:26):
they gonna do, but I'm gonna congratulate my brother and
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Shout out to you guys again, what we like to
do on this podcast. Any of the young viewers, go
watch some of those Suns highlights, watch some of there's
full games on YouTube.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Like people talk about Lakers spurs.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Of that era, but you guys, you guys were were
giving it to him, and so shout out all that
stacked roster.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
I forgot, I was.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I forgot Sean Marion was on that score and he
was a huge part of it, So shout out to
him too. One thing I want to say, because you know,
this is I T's first time doing a pod, and
I want to just give you, guys, you and D
mileson recognition as being one of the pioneers of the
athlete hosting the podcast. I feel like a lot of
people forget that. So one I was like, what was
(32:09):
the story? How did that come to be? And then
you know, who were some of your favorite guests and
what what does the future hold for for I know
you're you're doing broadcasting and more positible.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
I would love to hear what you got in for
the future.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So it started when D Miles did UH, my man,
Chris Bernard UH rest in peace now, but he's with
the Players Tribune. He I knew him from being with
the Knicks. He was with the Knicks for a long time,
and so then when he got with the Players Tribune,
I did my UH story first, the letter to my
(32:43):
younger self, because you know they do like UH write
ups and stories with the Players Tribute, so but from
the player's voice basically, and I didn't mind. Then D
Miles ended up moving down to Orlando, so I'm like
you know what I'm saying. I'm telling him because Christ
was like, man, let me know, d Miles want to
you know what I'm saying, And I'm telling them like
I'm like, de like you know what I'm saying. You
saw the response. You know what I'm saying. My little
(33:04):
article got like, bro, if you want to do it,
you know what I'm saying. They really gonna it's gonna
be in your voice. Basically, it ain't gonna be out.
Sometimes we you know us ex actlete. We used to
do an interview and then we like said like that,
like you know what I'm saying type deal. But I
was like I was reassuring him, and like d Miles
was cautious because of that at this time, you know
what I'm saying. He hadn't done nothing in a long time,
(33:25):
had been off the grid and all that. Like that
was the name of his article, like where the hell
has the Darius Miles been or something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So when he did, when he agreed to do it,
we went to New York.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I went with him, and it was like everybody around
could just see our chemistry, how funny we was together,
how we mess with each other, and you know what
I'm saying, go back and forth, poking each other, making
fun of each other, just none stop. And it was like,
you know, it's natural because like that's how we've been
since since high school. Type them myself, like it's real authentic.
(33:57):
So like you know what I'm saying, Chris was like,
and y'all, y'all gotta do something, bro like like you
know what I'm saying, Like y'all can't just not do
something with what y'all got going on, And so, like
you know what I'm saying, We was going back and
forth on stuff and d Miles didn't want to have
no parts and no camera and no microphone, but he
was like, nah, I'm cool. So it took once we
settled on doing what we was gonna do, we had
(34:18):
it took time to convince d Miles even you know
what I'm saying, really do it. So once he finally
kind of like agreed to do it, we did the pilot.
It was it was chaotic. It was chaotic, but it
was but like but like you still could see that
like Okay, clean this up, take some of this alcohol away,
(34:40):
and do this, and don't curse as much and do
this and that like y'all can have something. So it's like,
you know what I'm saying. We we kind of obviously
we cleaned up some of them things, and it was like, man,
like it just started being cool, like you know what
I'm saying, like get getting I think our first guessed.
I think our first guessed was Jimmy was Jimmy Butler,
(35:00):
I think. But then it was like every every interview
was like damn, like this kind of fun, like you
know what I'm saying, like this, this is kind of dope.
You know what I'm saying, hollering at dudes like cause
you know, our era, we never got to tell nobody
like no show love. We wasn't swapping jerseys, We wasn't
piecing up like that, telling dudes like you nice.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And all this.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So it was like we kind of removed. We in
a position where we could we could give flowers. We
could tell people like, man, we love this about your game,
or this was dope, or ask them about different things
like you know how it is when you're in the league, Isaiah,
It's like we know a lot of people, but it'd
be dudes over there, like man, I wanted to what's
up with this with him, and you know what I'm saying,
It's like now I could ask those questions. I could
(35:39):
sit in there see and we could just be fans.
Cause that's one thing we always been before we made
the league. We were super fans of the league. While
we was in the league, even if we tell people
were fans of them, you know what I'm saying. And
when we got out the league, I'm still fans of
certain people that play when I played there before me,
and now these guys are playing out on fans of them.
So it's like we we get you get to sit
(36:01):
there and be like kids to the candy store, you
know what I'm saying, Like to get a chance to
talk to to doctor j Bro. Like you know what
I'm saying, Big old Oscar Robertson Bro. Like these is
times where we get off the pod and we clean,
you know, everything, everything done. I'm like, Pops, Like, man,
I just talked George girl.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I was like, can you believe that?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like you know what I'm saying, Like this stuff like that,
Like we really it's like like were working, but like
this is like this is like you kidding me, This
is a this is a we get to do this.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It ain't like we gotta work. We get to do this.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
We get to talk to Kevin Garnett to like, you
know what I'm saying, Like to the point to where
we knew we had something good because because Cole you
know what I'm saying, God, he reached out to us,
like yo, Like obviously we would want to get freaking
Kobe Bryant, right, but it was like for him to
(36:59):
reach out to us and say, hey, I see what
y'all doing, and I like that and I want I
want to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Like that was that was like valid valid you know
what I'm saying. Validation like that me and.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Black Life like yo, like what like this, Like yeah,
we was gonna try and reach out and get in
touch to him, but like the fact that he went
through his people and had them reach out to our
people and say, yeah, coach want to be on the show.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
He was like like that and it was like yo.
And then for the Beetle, like.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
The whole time we went out there and got to
go doing anything, went to his compound and it was like, dude,
it was like you know what I'm saying, Like even
before we started recording, he was just like asking us
how we got it going and just telling us like yeah, bro,
like letting us know that he didn't watched episode saying
different things from the stuff, and like telling us how
he like how he rock with it, and like, you
know what I'm saying, he loved what we're doing, the
(37:50):
positivity we showing on guys and all that. So for me,
it was like, Yo, that was when we really knew,
like all right, like you know what I'm saying, this
thing certified. I'm saying, like cold, you know what I'm saying,
he don't even rock with people like that.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
What I'm saying that for those things, Yeah, him to
be on y'all show, he.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Reached out Like that was the crazy part. Crazy. You know,
we climbing the ladder light. Yeah, we're gonna get there.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
We're gonna work our way to try and you know
what I'm saying, figure out who we can get to
to talk to cod And but then it was like
he came out of nowhere and hit us, and he
was like he was like, yeah, just makes the only
thing in true code fact, he was like I either
started or I finished. I'm a bookie and I don't
be in the middle respect respect.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Ah, that's funny, that's dope though, fam, we appreciate those stories.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Man. Yeah, we about we about to be about to
pop back out still be you know, get back out
the points.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
We didn't.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
We just we just we had had to go through
our contract thing, but were about to be back out there.
Come on, man, we need read love again, spreading the
love out there.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And you know, I always we, me and Q Rich
beyond these every now and then. So it's like it's
just super dope to hear these legendary stories about MJ,
about the Clippers, about the you know, the whole the
whole journey. So we truly appreciate you, you Rich. And hey,
look I.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I got, I got, I got a dope story for
you about about my man, about my man Nathan great. Right,
I just saw a clip think like a little clipper
his highlights to us. Then I me and my boy
was going back and forth. But I was like, dog
like Nate was unreal, Like are you watching this? Like
this is unreal? But like the story is this right?
(39:35):
So I got traded from Phoenix in the same time
they Phoenix, he got drafted and yeah, so we in
the we in the same We at the press conference together, right,
So we sitting in the back, right in the back
before they bring us out, right, I spoke to him.
He's sitting there like, yeah, what's up, dude. So I'm
sitting there. I'm in my phone doing whatever. He's sitting there,
sitting there. He was like, man, Bro, I can't just
(39:58):
see here and act like about to go Craig Like, Bro,
I used to do this all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
He started going out. I'm like, that's what's up. But
he's like, no, Bro, you understand you and D Miles, Bro,
you and d Mail.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Then he tells me this whole story, like, Bro, like
when y'all came to you and D Miles came to
Gary Payton charity game. Bro, Bro, true story, Me and
my bro chick, we stole a car and made it
down to the renal. Bro. We get up in there.
We sneak up in there. Like D Miles gave me
his jersey, bro and signed this jersey.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So like he got D Miles jersey from the game.
So fast forward, right, we go to Seattle to play
that season. Right, So he like he like, bro, when
y'all come, he like he like he gotta get me Eddie.
He was like trying to get as men and a
team like, Bro, y'all gotta come to my house. Man,
My mama gonna cook, right, but I'm all gonna cook.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Right. So we end up leaving. We end up getting
the Seattle. Bro.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
We left somewhere on the West coast and got there
later than we were supposed to, right, So it was
we were supposed to getting like seven or eight or something.
We ended up getting like almost like eleven, almost midnight, right,
So we like, we getting out, we getting to the hotel.
They like, man, y'all still coming to the house, right,
We like we like, Man, I thought you might have
scapped the Bro's like, no, Bro, no, Bro, you see
(41:11):
my mom still cooking Nate thing. No lie, Bro, I
forget who I win. It was a grip of us
that win. We go to Nate neighborhood in the hood. Bro,
it was like twelve thirty one o'clock. It was like
a block party. Everybody was everybody was there. That I'm
talking about I'm talking about made hell of food. It
was like we in that joint kicking and it was like, Bro,
this is the crazy, but it's the most Nate Robinson
(41:33):
thing ever. It's the most late Robinson thing ever, bro
whole thing, everything still up in true to fashion. We
in there kicking and eating this that third Nate bring
me around the corner to the to the trophy case
and showed shit, the d mile signed Gary Jersey is.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
In there on everything. I say, Yo, this is crazy,
this is crazy.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
True that that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Because fast forward two thousand, what was it, two thousand
and seven or eight? I was in prep school. You
was still on the Knicks. So I was going in
prep school in Connecticut. I would take the train all
the way to Grand Central be with Jamal and Nate
Robinson on the weekend so I could leave school. So
I was always going to the Knicks game, sitting behind
the bench when y'all was playing, waiting to.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
See what Jay's you had on. Every every game.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I was able, it was the Knicks, eights, it was
it was all of those. I was like, so the
memory for me, that's a real Nate Robinson story. But
I used to be there in the background just waiting
to see what kicks you had on, just because I
was a fan, a big fan of not only you,
but you're swagging all of those things. So you know,
shout out to Nate, Shout out to you. That is
(42:45):
a true Nate Robinson's story, and you sounded just like him.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Bro put a bow on all that, like you you said,
you calling your pop saying I just interview, like it
is surreal to me right now. I just did an
interview with Isaiah Thomas and Q Rich and then and
like all the Jordan talk, Like seriously, everyone who knows
me that that's my like personality. That's what I came
up on. So it's incredible. And appreciate you guys. It's
(43:09):
like a cycle. You know, you guys had your idols
and the fan you guys are still fan of the game,
and I'm a fan of the game that I just
appreciate you guys and everything you've done off for the
league and.
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Shout out Nate to Nate.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Ate. I know Nate just because I mean Nate got
me through those teams because I was a Bulls.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
Fan and when d Rose went down a couple of times.
People forget that Nate run.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
In Chicago in the playoff thirteen's which I saw, I
t you were rocking at Washington, So Jordan thirteen it's
all full so clinic, come all right, well, hey, check
out q rich on whatever he's doing.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
Go back and listen to old knuckleheads pods.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
We appreciate you, q Rich, Yeah, appreciate you.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Enjoy these playoffs.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
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Speaker 3 (46:04):
I T playoffs are here. Everything matters now. We've been
talking about it. We got Harol. I'll just do a
little brief overview of what we got here. We got Nuggets,
timber Wolves, Raptors, Cavs, Hawks, Knicks, Rockets, Lakers. What are
Who are some of these teams that are you guy?
You're excited about? Are going to make a big run
in these playoffs?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Man?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
You know what I'm I'm excited about Like the Nuggets.
I don't think they're being talked about enough. Like they're
one of the teams with that championship experience. Obviously, they
got Joker, They've been playing well towards the end of
the season, So I think that's a team that, like
your peers and the teams don't want to play in
a seven game series.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
But the media is not talking about enough.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Obviously, everybody's talking about okay See and the Spurs on
the Western Conference. But man, that Denver team is a
scary team to play against in the in the in
the series. And also one thing I wish, I wish
the Lakers were healthy man for them to go against
the Rockets in the first round, that would be an
(47:09):
Obviously it could still be an exciting series, but if
the Lakers were healthy, man, that would be that might
be the that might be the most exciting series in
the first round.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Well, it's interesting because we've talked about it a little
bit before and it's obviously devastating. And I think Luke
will be reevaluated this week, is coming back to the
States after treatment. But I mean, I'm sure you caught
some of those last few Laker games. Lebron knows he's
the number one option again and he was putting up numbers.
And I feel like, and this is just a prediction here,
(47:39):
and tell me how you feel, but the Lakers playing
the Rockets, I feel like this is this could be
an upset here. I know that the Rockets are favored
obviously because they're healthier. But again, playoff Lebron is different,
and we we basketball fans, we like if we if
we think that Lebron's just gonna get swept or just
(47:59):
gonna go down, take like we gotta be kidding ourselves,
like this has happened before. So do you share any
of that same prediction here that we might be in
for a vintage Lebron series and he could potentially take
on the Rockets almost by himself.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, I mean that's all we've ever seen. So it's like, why,
why is it gonna change now? Yeah, you just can't
any team Lebron's done. You can't put it past him
to go to work in the playoffs like he's He's.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Shown that year in and year out.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yes he is forty one years old, Yes he's been
in the league for forever. But you know, his peers,
your peers know in a playoff series, you can never
count that man out. Bro. Yeah, like him being the
number one option the world, counting the Lakers out because
they don't have their two hitters with him.
Speaker 5 (48:50):
This might be the time Lebron waits everybody up again.
You never know.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
I'm not putting it past Lebron not showing up and
showing out, because he's done it.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Our whole life.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
He's done it our whole life, not not not half
of our life, he's done it almost our whole life.
So I'm not putting it past Lebron doing this thing
and possibly winning a series, especially the first round by itself.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
So who should we look out for.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Let's go over to the East in some of those
matchups here, I think some of the headlines there is,
you know, Pistons without Kate Cunningham, but they were your
obvious favorite in that conference, So is there any chance
that the Pistons may fall? And then obviously talking about
your old squad, the Celtics, Tatum has been back.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
Is that team favored?
Speaker 3 (49:35):
What are your general thoughts about the playoffs starting over
in the East.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Obviously you got to throw out you gotta say Detroit's
the favorite. They're one of the best teams in the
league all season long. Yeah, Kate Cunningham was down towards
the end of the year and they still played really well,
Like guys stepped up. That was surprising for me. But
like the favorite I think has to be the Boston Celtics,
like like they're they're at full strength. Jason Tatum is
(50:04):
looking right, he's looking like he's getting his rhythm back. Yeah,
Jalen Brown is MVP caliber season, still doing this thing
leading that group, and they got championship experience, so like
you can't put that aside. And I think they going
into the playoffs, they are the favorite. They're the team
that's won before they know how to win. Their coaching
(50:24):
staff repairs those guys. And then another team you got
to look out for for me is Cleveland. Like they
made that big trade for James Harden. I think it's
championship our bus because you traded for a thirty five
year old this towards the end of his career. But
we know what James Harden is capable of doing. So
I think that's the third team that can cause real
(50:46):
problems in the Eastern Conference. But I'm gonna give Detroit
their respect. But my favorite for right now, I mean
they're looking a little scary is the is the Boston Celtics.
Bro And that's and I think those are my three
teams in each conference. Okay, see Spurs, Denver, Detroit, Boston
(51:06):
and the Cleveland Cavaliers are teams that they can make
real noise in the playoffs for both sides.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
It's just, yeah, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
It's it's crazy how everyone was talking about this Celtics
season being lost and then they just got to get
through it.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Manj It is crazy because like it was surprising to
see Jalen Brown do what he's done this whole season
and their team be as good as they are, and
then for Jason Tatum to come back and it just
be like, yes, he's he's been rusty at times, but
like overall he's been looking like he's been looking really
(51:42):
good and his rhythm is there, and the team has
just accepted him coming in like that. Let's not talk
about like how how difficult that transition usually is for
a superstar to come back and hasn't played all year.
Like it's been really smooth for him coming back and
not stepping on nobody these toes. Jalen Brown is still
doing his thing, and then those guys still playing at
(52:05):
a high level, the role players still playing at a high
level with slowly getting Jason Tatum back in the thicker thing.
So it's a scary, it's a scary situation to play
against the Boston Celtics team that is at full straight.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
No, we talked, I mean, like honestly to their benefit.
They they got Pritcher playing more minutes this year. They're
figured they got you know, don't forget what they got
Vucevich and they're still trying to figure that out. But
other guys have stepped up, so, you know, obviously with
devastating seeing Tatum go down, but he had some time
to recover, uh, and these other players got the minutes
and it's it's it's just been impressive seeing what they have.
(52:39):
So we'll see how how far run they making in. Yeah, man,
then we got the playoff playing games tonight. This will
be obviously as we record this, the playing games are
happening tonight. We'll see who gets in. I don't want
to make any predictions there because we'll probably you know,
be too late once this episode comes out. But it's
playoff time and play like just just tell us quickly
before we sign off. Here the mindset of a player
(53:01):
about to kick off.
Speaker 6 (53:03):
You know this postseason, man, you.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
Got to be locked in, Like, the playoffs are truly
a different season than the regular season. So anybody who
hasn't experienced the playoffs. Obviously, as a fan watching you
see how much different the energy is, the atmosphere is
as a fan. So as a player, it's a hundred
times even more. You got to be locked in. You
playing a team one time, you playing a team possibly
(53:28):
seven times seven times. So it's not like in the
regular season where the games are coming so fast. You
focus on one team, then you're onto the next. Teams
are dialed in, players are locked in. They're taking away
your first second, possibly your third option. Everybody has those
thick binders with the Scouter report. It's just the playoffs
(53:52):
are really a serious thing and it's where the best
players show why you're the best players.
Speaker 5 (53:58):
So, like I'm excited about the playoff.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
My mindset going in the playoffs was just being super
locked in, eliminating all of my distractions, anything that I
can control out there there's possibly a distraction, eliminating that
out of my life, and just being all about the
team because that's the focus you need to win not
only a playoff series, but playoff games because the level
(54:22):
of concentration is just so high, and you know, like
it's just it's really winter, go home, and every possession matters,
and it's so much it's so different than the regular season.
So I'm excited about the playoffs. I'm excited about playoff
basketball because that's the best time of the year and
everybody's more locked in. And it's not just layups or threes.
(54:43):
It's like, how can we win this possession? And if
a mid range gotta be taken, you're taking the mid range.
Bro and the computer analytic things are kind of eliminated
as much as they are in the regular season because
it's about feel, it's about taking advantage of matchups, it's
about all of those things. And the playoffs is where
(55:06):
you want to be, momentum, all of those things, Like
so home coourin advantage, Like the playoffs are where you
want to be. And I didn't realize it until I
didn't make the playoffs until my fourth year in the league.
So like, you don't understand how serious the playoffs are
until you're in it.
Speaker 5 (55:22):
And yeah, you got nerves, you're nervous and all of
those things.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
The world is watching, but it's the best time to
showcase what you've been working on all year long. It's
where the stars become superstars, is where role players become stars.
It's the best time of the year, so it's basketball
heaven for us, and I can't wait to watch these
games in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (55:42):
Love it, man, you got me hyped.
Speaker 4 (55:43):
Come on, man, I should be the voice over for
the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Shout out to my guy, Jamal Crawford. Man, if you
haven't heard, he's done a voiceover. This has been amazing.
You know, he's been one of our guests, my big bro.
I'm super excited it for him. Bro, he's doing he's
doing major things, and you know, we're just trying to
follow in the footsteps of the greats like him.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Love it well, man, he said it best there, guys.
Keep it locked here to Point Game. If you enjoyed
this episode, we're just getting started hearing the playoffs. We're
gonna be talking to it, talking about what's going on
every night in the playoffs. Keep it locked here. We're
gonna have more guests. We just got a lot here
here on Point Game.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
More in store. We'll see you guys next
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