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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hi everyone, welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to start off with a story about an
influencer who died during a penis enlargement procedure. Then we'll
get into this viral A24 video starring Elizabeth Holmes. If
you remember, she is the disgraced founder of Theranos who
was convicted of defrauding investors by falsely claiming her company's
(00:43):
blood testing technology could perform hundreds of tests from just
a few drops of blood. Then we'll finish up with
a couple unusual pregnancy slash childbirth stories involving a postmortem
cesarean section. a freak accident, and a stone baby. All
that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All right, so first, a wealthy influencer has died after
undergoing a penis enlargement surgery while on a luxury vacation
in Thailand with his wife.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I keep seeing videos of all of these foreign travel
to get surgery, like all of these influencers doing videos
about how nice it is when they get off the
plane in the hotel that they're staying at and how
people are taking care of them and stuff. And it's
just becoming more and more popular. What is it called? Like, uh,
(01:36):
I surgery tourism or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Exactly what they call it. I know what you're saying. Yeah.
It's something tourism, but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
But, um, but yeah, so this particular guy was getting,
I don't know that he was necessarily getting surgery. It
seems like he was getting filler, like some kind of, uh, Yeah,
that's what I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Was confused by because it was saying he was getting
a surgery done, but then when it went into further details,
it just suggested that he was getting what, like hyaluronic
acid filler?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, which is like filler that people get in their face.
So there is a possibility when you get filler injected,
and this is on your face as well, that it
could go into an artery or vein by accident and
cause significant damage to, you know, especially if you get
it in your face. and it's injected in the wrong area,
(02:27):
because it's not liquid, it's like a gel, and it
could actually clog one of your blood vessels. So it
is a concern that you're going to a legitimate injector.
But in the area of the penis, for example, you
could inject it directly into a vein, which then can
travel into the largest vein of the body, which is
(02:48):
the inferior vena cava, and travel up into the heart
and get stuck the lungs and it could cause what
is called it's the similar process to what happens with
a pulmonary embolism except this is a foreign material that's
traveling to the lungs so it's a hyaluronic acid embolism
same thing it's interesting because I just talked about this
(03:12):
on Instagram last week I did a post about a
woman that this happened in Philadelphia actually at the airport
there was a woman who was injecting silicone into women's
butts like but using like industrial grade like Home Depot
silicone and ended up injecting this into this girl's butt
(03:34):
and the silicone traveled to her lungs and she died
from it. So she had a silicone embolism. It was
an old case from the gross room that I had
just posted on Instagram. So we do have cases in
the gross room of this happening with certain situations. I
think the really interesting And I don't know what the
standard protocol is for penis filler. I know that they
(03:56):
do it. But let me just give you an idea
of how much he was getting at this place in Thailand.
So normally anyone that's listening to us who's gotten filler,
normally like if you get your lips done, for example,
they'll put in like half of a milliliter to a
milliliter of filler on your face. Like sometimes you get
(04:17):
a couple if you're getting like your cheeks done and
your lips or something like that, right? this guy had
40 milliliters injected into his penis 40 so like face
is like one two maybe three four vials at the
most for like a full kylie jenner look maybe 40
(04:40):
he had like that to me i'm just kind of
like that seems excessive and outrageous so i'm sure that
has a lot to do with it too do you
Because 40 milliliters of a gel fluid, like if you
put it in a cup, it's a lot of fluid
to be injecting into someone like that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Do you think another problem could have been the fact
that they got massages right after too?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it is possible. I mean, I don't know because
that would have had to have been introduced during the procedure.
But yeah, I mean, definitely when you're doing a massage
and you're increasing circulation, I mean, that could have... you know,
maybe it would have dissolved a little bit locally. I'm
(05:23):
not sure exactly how that works because it is, I mean,
it is, it's a little hard to completely unavoid the
entire vascular system because like when you stick a needle
in your skin, you're going to bleed at some point,
which means you're disrupting something. But usually it's like a
smaller capillary. You're not going into like an actual vessel.
(05:44):
And your penis is just like a more delicate area
because there's bigger blood vessels there right and it's possible
to um hit one by accident so I don't know
like if anyone's listening if you know anyone that's had
penis filler or like if you perform it yourself what
like the standard amount is I just feel like that's
(06:05):
kind of a lot that's like at okay you need
more help level if you need that much yeah I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't understand how it's that much like It is embarrassing.
How his penis would explode from that amount.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And all of these people are like, you know, just
making jokes online saying like, I'd rather you just tell,
if you're going to tell the news that I died,
just say I killed myself. Like, don't say that I
died getting penis filler. It's so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, who put this information out there though? Because
I think it maybe could have gone under the radar.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean, the person's some kind of an influencer.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, he was buried in London in a gold coffin,
reportedly costing more than $ 745, 000. What? Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
What was he doing as an influencer? I really don't...
That's like such a waste of money. If you told
me your wishes were to get buried in a $ 745, 000 thing,
I'd be like, okay, sure. And then when you died,
I'd take the money and put it in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'd be like... What a waste of money. The article
just said he was a British-Nigerian businessman, and he was
a wealthy influencer, and that he was buried in the
gold coffin. Speaking of coffin, did you see that woman
that worked for Dior died in a bad car accident
a couple weeks ago? I don't really know what she did.
(07:33):
She worked for Dior Corporate as a designer or something.
anyway when she was buried she had this like wicker
coffin it was very chic for a coffin i must
say and they covered it in roses it was actually
so beautiful it didn't look like your traditional coffin it
was like this really cool looking thing oh that's cool
send it to me i want to see i'm not
really interested in being buried but then i'm like am
(07:56):
i also interested in being cremated after the david scott
scandal so like i just i don't really know but
I thought it was interesting. And then I also saw
an article, which I think we've talked about before, about
mushroom coffins. I saw a really cool one. But I'm
pretty sure we've talked about that before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, we talked. Luke Perry got buried in a mushroom suit.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. All right. On to the most
shocking news of the weekend. A24 revealed that they were
secretly making a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes, aka disgraced founder
of Theranos, the blood startup company, the blood testing startup company.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So, like, when did this come out? Like, two nights ago, maybe?
I was scrolling through, and then I kept, you know,
when I'm in bed at night and Gabe's sleeping, like,
I don't have my volume on, so I'm just kind of, like,
looking through. And I kept seeing the clip of that video. And,
you know, I just was like, oh, I wonder what
this is about. Like, I can't hear what they're talking about.
(09:00):
And I'm just watching it, though. And I'm watching both
of their movements. And I'm just like, dude, this lady.
And I thought this lady's out of her mind forever.
But I'm just like, oh, my God, I can't wait
to watch this. And then I woke up in the
morning and watched this. I did send it to you
and say, like, what is this? Because none of us,
nobody knew that this was happening, right?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No. So for those of you who have no idea
what we're talking about, Nathan Fielder, the comedian. Is seen
in this video that I saw. What was the post
you sent me? Like this video deserves an award by itself.
Like just the trailer.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
No, it's so bizarre because when I'm watching it, I'm like,
this seems like it's like filmed like a movie.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So it's Nathan Fielder staring at Elizabeth Holmes. And they're
just staring at each other. And she's saying, I have
nothing to deceive you on. And then it's just extreme
close-ups of both of their faces. And if you're unfamiliar
with his comedy style, it's like extremely uncomfortable and awkward.
So that's exactly what you get from it. Just the
way he's staring. back at her and the way she's
(10:01):
staring at him and then she's kind of moving like
rocking her body the whole time and then at the
end of it they do a wide angle shot and
she's rocking one of her children in a bouncer seat
so I guess what I think.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
A lot I'll tell you how close they were like
she's sitting on a couch and And he's on the
other side of the couch, like in a chair that
close to her head. And it looks so intimate and
close and weird that you're watching it. And I'm like, wait,
I thought she was in jail. Is she like an
actress in this movie now? Like what's happening? I wasn't really,
(10:39):
I don't know who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh, you don't know about the pilot thing?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I don't know anything about this guy. I was like,
who is this? I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
All right. So he has this show on HBO. And
I never really watched it. But I know about this
pilot thing because you know about my Boeing theory. So
any airline activity gets my attention. So basically what he
was doing was it says for the season two finality
of his show, the rehearsal... He spent two and a
(11:09):
half years training to become a licensed commercial Boeing 737
pilot to prove a point about cockpit communication. So he
wanted to prove basically that he thought a lot of
plane crashes happened due to miscommunications between pilots and co-pilots.
So what happened was he actually got licensed, like in
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real life, he got licensed as a Boeing pilot. And
then instead of using a simulator, he worked his way up,
to basically fly a plane, and then they got 150
actors to be passengers on the plane, but a real
co-pilot who didn't know they were actors. And then he
acted out a miscommunication between the two. So he actually
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worked his way up and did that.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm surprised he didn't get in trouble for that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I actually think when it, after it aired, it was
like a really big deal and they were trying to
take the episode down because it just proved all the
holes and how easy it was for somebody like him
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So anyway, this is his, he, he does things like this,
like extremely uncomfortable things and interviewing her must be uncomfortable
because she's an extremely awkward person. She's seemingly still talking
in the deep voice, which according to people in her
life is not the natural way she speaks. but she's
pretty committed to it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's definitely not as deep as it's been.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's not as deep as it's been, but it's still
pretty deep.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
She sounded like she was almost doing a Romy and
Michelle voice. Excuse me, my shoe is filling up with blood.
That's what she talked like.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was so weird. It is weird. So this is
the synopsis of the documentary. It's called You Can See
Everything coming out next month. It says, 34 days before
she's sent to prison, notorious Silicon Valley founder Elizabeth Holmes
invites a skeptical film crew to document her every move.
What begins as an intimate portrait of an enigmatic felon
(13:07):
becomes a mind-bending three-year journey into the abyss. So I'm
guessing they were filming her before she went into prison
and then it was so wild that they continued filming
her while she's still in there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
What's interesting to me too is that If you were really, like,
so she has a baby. She had a baby knowing
she was going to go to jail, right?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
She had two babies knowing she was going to jail.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, so you're at home with your brand new family
and you're married now, right? And you're possibly going to
jail for years and having to leave your children and
your husband and you decide that that was a good
time to invite a film crew to follow your every move. Like,
it's going to be interesting because you're just like, What
normal person would do that?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So her son was born in July 2021, just weeks
before the start of her federal fraud trial. And his
birth caused initial delays in the court scheduling. And then
her daughter was born in February 2023 after her conviction
and shortly before she began serving her prison sentence in
May 2023. I believe she was sentenced to 11 years
in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I remember we talked about that because we were like,
that's cool. Her kid's intact. Like, Lucia's 11 years old,
so that means her entire life, like, you're just not
there for it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And there's theories not confirmed that she was having the
children to either get off or get a later sentence,
which clearly the judge should not give a shit about.
And it's arguably more messed up that she would have
the children full well knowing she was going to prison.
I mean, this is disgusting. So she's just not going
to be in the kids' lives for, like, the first
decade of their lives? She.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So when you look at her talk... I mean, if
you watch the video without sound or with whatever, you're
just like, this chick is completely out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She's out of her mind. So I've talked about this before.
I wonder if they film her in prison, if Real
Housewife of Salt Lake City and fellow inmate Jennifer Shaw
is going to make an appearance or Ghislaine Maxwell is
also in the same prison as her. So will they
be making appearances?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I just, I really want to see it. Like
I'm intrigued by all of this. I just, and his like,
and I don't know him, but his reaction to how
she's talking is just very interesting. Like the whole entire
thing of it is just like, like you're assuming that
it's a documentary style and none of it's scripted, which
(15:38):
I believe is the case because I think that that
lady is, And I think that that's part of her thing,
is that she thought she could say this stuff and
get away with it, which she kind of did. And
then it's like, she probably thought that she was going
to get out of jail, and just, like, she, like,
is 100% convinced that she wasn't going to get in trouble,
(15:59):
and that's why she had the kids. Like, because she
just didn't think that she was actually going to go
to jail, maybe.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't think she thinks she did anything wrong. I mean,
I think in her mind, she thinks that she was...
pitching this product that wasn't perfect but was promising people
it was gonna work and like she was falsifying paperwork
she was falsifying lab results she was being very deceptive
and hiding other machines in their facility and doing testing
on those she was misdiagnosing live patients that's a very
(16:28):
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
I still think, though, that, like, there has to be
some responsibility on other people involved with this because there's
absolutely no way that this company went all the way to, like, having, like,
offices in Walgreens.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That, like, there was, like, that there wasn't some kind of,
there wasn't some kind of, just with clinical labs and stuff,
I mean, we wrote a post about this, a high-profile
dissection in the grocery room, and, um, was just like
all of the different rules with the lab equipment and
and lab testing and stuff like how she got around
(19:29):
it it's really interesting um you know what's so I've
been seeing this ad for this this newer thing that's
called the Tasso and it's basically like you put this
it's almost like the thing you would you would put
in for like the the insulin pump or something like
it's the thing that a needle like goes into your
(19:50):
skin and it like stays there all the time you
know and I see I've seen advertisements for it so
you put this needle in your upper arm and you
leave it there for a while and it like collects
blood like a mini vial of blood right and then
you could send that in and get blood testing done
so When I first saw it, I was just kind
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of like, oh, this is like a Theranos 2.0. But
this is like actually smart that like companies were kind
of seeing what she did and try to work her
way around it. So they were saying with Theranos, because
they were trying to make it for the everyday person
that like all you had to do is like give
a drop of blood and they could do all these
lab tests. But there was no way for these machines
(20:32):
to actually be able to do all those tests on
such a small amount of blood. So- This company, I
feel like just did a workaround and they were like,
all right, well, we'll just make it easy to collect
blood and we'll just send it to the, for the normal,
the normal testing done because it's enough blood to do
the normal testing on it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that was her problem because like for somebody like
me that has a needle phobia, it seemed really ideal
because she was advertising like you just prick your finger.
and send the one drop of blood and then it
gets tested on her device the Edison device and then
could test all these different things but yeah I thought
it was an amazing idea and clearly a bunch of
(21:12):
investors did too because she was getting hundreds of million
dollars of investments and unfortunately I mean she not unfortunately
she got in trouble but she really only got in
trouble for defrauding investors not for like misdiagnosing real patients
which to me is the greater problem here.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, and she didn't. I don't think that, I feel
like there was some certain things, I don't remember off
the top of my head, but no one, they weren't
able to prove that anyone died or had, at least
she wasn't responsible for anything like that as far as
that goes. And like, there's still like a lot more
(21:54):
to the story because I'm just kind of like, if
I wanted to do that test and I went to
Walgreens and got that done and then find out that
like these tests are fake and all this stuff, like
I feel like they should have been responsible for it too.
Like she's, she is getting kind of the fall for
all of it when there was like lots of other
people involved with that going down.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, that guy, her boyfriend at the time, Sonny, he
also went to prison for it. Cause he was like
really the driving force behind it. So they both went
to jail, but I agree with you. Like, I honestly
don't really trust Walgreens that much because of their, I, I,
I guess it's, I guess in one regard, like if
they're going off of the regular process and they're reading
(22:36):
paperwork and they're seeing all this stuff that she falsified
and Sonny Balwani falsified, right. They did their due diligence,
but did they, because there was a lot of people
working within the company that knew things weren't right. And
we're whistleblowing it. So like, i don't know it makes
me question their vetting process is what i'm getting at
(22:59):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Else is really weird too that i noticed because now
this video is like viral on all platforms and stuff
and so many men are like i know this is
a weird opinion but she's so hot and i'm like
really like i just don't understand i don't i don't
see the appeal like Besides the fact that she looks
like she's just completely out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
She also looks like she has horrible sunburn on her face.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, I'm just kind of like, okay.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's such a weird video.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It's just interesting that people think that she's hot. I'm like, okay,
what am I missing here?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So are we going on a movie date to go
see it?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, yes, I want to see it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
All right, we're going to have to figure out where
it's playing. This is excellent. I cannot wait to see this, honestly.
There are no stories.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I hope it's not, like, just that weird theaters that are, like,
not around here or something.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It'll... Well, you know, I was going to say, it's
probably going to be at that Ritz in Old City,
but I think they are... Do you know the one I.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Took my wedding pictures? Yeah, I just saw that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Temporarily closed down to, like, fire violations or something, so...
it'll be somewhere around here, but we're probably going to
have to go to the city to see it or something,
which I guess that means you're out. I'll wait. I'll
go see it by myself. All right. A woman is
sharing one of the craziest birth stories ever saying that
she died during childbirth. Doctors then gave her a postpartum
(24:17):
C-section to save the baby and then brought her back
to life.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No post-mortem. Oh, sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Like that. No, you don't have to start over. I'm
just saying like, I meant postpartum. I feel like, I
feel like I'm not trying to diminish what she went
through because it was horrible, but this is also so
sensationalized and the terminology that she's using is just a
little much for me.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
See, I have such bad postpartum brain that my notes
aren't written correctly.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, I'm just emphasizing it because that's dramatic. A postmortem
C-section means that you're dead. and they're taking the baby
out of your dead body.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, they told her husband that technically she was expired. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I just, I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't believe that your wife is on the operating table,
and they're resuscitating her, and they say, you know what?
She's really dead, but we're going to continue to work
on her. Nobody said that. Do you think that somebody
said that to him? I mean, I guess it's possible,
but I just feel like With all of the other
(25:29):
dramatic terms. That are turned into this story. Because like this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Was that what she said verbatim. Or is that what
the writer wrote.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
No it was in quotes. That that was what was
said to him. That the doctor said that she had expired.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And also I just want to put. I understand what
you're saying. But don't you think it's possible. With all
the terrible bedside manner stories. We covered that somebody did
just say that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I mean I guess anything's possible. But I just think.
Let me just tell you guys what happened. So she
had what's called an amniotic embolism. And that's a really
scary thing that I think that most people that are
pregnant always wonder in the back of their head if
that's going to happen to them. And it's super, super rare.
It doesn't happen that often. And what happens is we
(26:19):
were just talking about an embolism with... The word embolism
just means that it's something that's within the vascular system
that's traveling through So it could be just blood that's traveling,
like a blood clot. It's just something that shouldn't be
there that's traveling. So with the penis, it was the
hyaluronic acid. With this, it's an amniotic embolism. So the
(26:42):
reason that they call it this is because they've, you know,
after autopsy, they've been able to see like fetal cells
actually inside of the lungs of women who've died from this.
So then the theory was like, okay, these cells are
getting into the circulation and they're going to the lungs
and causing a person to either their heart to stop
(27:04):
or them to die, right? And then to go into DIC,
which is a dangerous clotting and bleeding disorder. So that's
not really the case though when they started investigating how
this actually happens. It more seems like it's some kind
of a weird, rare, allergic reaction almost. Like it almost
(27:24):
acts like more of like an anaphylactic shock rather than
like an embolism like how that guy just died okay
right so regardless this happens to her it could either
happen right before you have the baby during the baby
after you have the baby like it just depends on
what part um we actually did a high profile death
dissection on um a nurse influencer her name was haley
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akulu that died from this actually during childbirth and she
was a social media influencer So it was kind of
a big deal when that happened. So with her, with
this particular woman, it was like she was pushing and
then all of a sudden she got like really sweaty
and nauseous and like her heart stopped, right? So, which
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is terrible, but that's when she says she died, which
I guess people say that terminology sometimes. And I'm just
kind of like, I don't like that. Like I died
five times and was brought back to life.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like I just, I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Kind of like, I feel like you die once. That's my,
that's what I think personally. So she went into cardiac
arrest and then they decided that they were going to
do an emergency C-section to get the baby out, like
as they were resuscitating her. So at that time she
said that they told her husband, oh, she's, she's dead.
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She's already expired. Like, I don't know that they would
ever say that without, unless they called her death and
she was dead. Like, I just, it's a stretch for
me to think that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Really, it's just kind of like, if you want to
say whatever you're going to say, like, who's ever going
to know if it really happened or not, right? Like,
there's no one to fact check this on. So the
terminology she's using for this article or for whatever clicks
she wants to get that, like, I was dead, and
then they did a post-mortem cesarean on me, which is,
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that's something you would say, like, A person died in
a car accident and they're like legitimately like brain dead. Otherwise,
they're keeping them alive on a machine so they could
hopefully take the baby out. Or the mom had just
recently died and they're going to try to see if
they could save the baby's life. Like that's what I
would consider. to be like a post-mortem CT not one
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that was like still an active I mean, I feel...
It's just, like, a little dramatic.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I feel everybody that's maybe had an emergency C-section could
argue that they thought they died during the procedure. Like,
I thought for a minute that my life was done
when I was... I know, I know. You were in pain.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like, her heart legitimately stopped.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So, like.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I just think it's like a little sensationalized.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It wasn't the pain the scariest part to me was
when they numb me from my chest down and they
did preface with it's gonna feel like you're not breathing
but you are breathing and then I was like I'm
not breathing and they were like you wouldn't be able
to talk if you were breathing and my mouth was
so dry it was terrible but whatever it could be
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worded poorly or whatever right but like There is a possibility,
I feel, just to play devil's advocate, that people that
work in hospitals don't always have the best bedside manner
and they just said that out loud and shouldn't have.
Or told her the wrong thing was going down.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I mean, anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Because sometimes I'll go to the doctor or I'll tell
you stuff that somebody will tell me a medical story
and they'll tell you and you're like, that's not what happened.
And I'm like, well, I'm not a medical person, so
I don't know. So maybe that's what happened here.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
A mom-to-be and her unborn child were killed in a
freak go-karting accident after her hair got caught in the
sprocket of the go-kart.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So this is an interesting thing I wanted to talk
to you about because this... I would think that when
you're pregnant, it's just kind of like all rules are...
Like all rides, I should say, are off limits, right?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I mean, going in a car is something you have
to do, but... I just think that anything else, if
you went to an amusement park, like, I think it
would be fine to go on, like, Haunted Mansion or
something like that because you're just sitting there basically rolling.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But not, like, an impact.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But you're not going to go on something, anything that
goes even a little bit faster than that that could
jolt you. It's just, like, not a good idea. So,
which is, like, I don't really, I don't know that
I really consider this to be, like, I feel like
the word freak accident is, like, you're walking down the
street and a branch falls and kills you instantly. Like,
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you had no role in it, you know?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, I get where you're getting at, but, like, I
think the pregnancy's kind of irrelevant to the accident that
happened because her hair got caught.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
This accident completely sucks, and it's definitely why when you
go on a roller coaster or you go and you
do anything... And you have long hair that you should
always tie it back because... And not just in a ponytail,
like a bun. Like a bun, yeah. Because it could
get caught in the gear and that's exactly what happened
to the point where it ripped her head back so
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hard that it compressed her airway and she died from asphyxia.
And that makes me think like, oh my God, imagine
bending your head back that far that air is not
able to get into your lungs anymore because that's how...
that's how much your windpipe is bent. Like, that's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean, I would advise as a pregnant person,
don't go on rides, but I do think that fact has, like,
nothing to do with the accident at hand that happened. Like,
it's just a very unfortunate additional detail.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah. And it sucks, too, because she was only 12
weeks pregnant, which, like, they're not going to, they can't
do anything to, I mean, like, if she was 24 weeks,
they could try to save the baby.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But, like, Yeah, most of her family didn't even know yet.
I mean, 12 weeks is just.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think she was 16 weeks, but yeah, she wasn't, like,
that far along.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, she was, like, only a couple months along. So, um...
I don't know, like... Yeah, like, the pregnancy really has
nothing to do with it, but that's just, like, a
side conversation I wanted to have with you, which is.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Just, like.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Because go-karts... When I went on the ones at Pigeon Forge,
it was, like, me and Lucia in one, and Gabe
and Lillian in the other one.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And Gabe.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
like thinks he's hilarious. He crashed into me so hard
that my glasses flew off my face onto the track.
I'm not like, so number one, I was like panicking
that someone was going to run my glasses over because
that would be the worst thing ever. And then number two,
like it, it was that hard that I, I couldn't
see to drive anymore, but also like it gave me
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fricking whiplash. I was so mad at him. I like was,
I like when we got off, I was just like,
you're such a jerk. Like, why would you do that?
And he was, him and the kids thought it was
the funniest thing ever and I was just like I
just don't think it's funny he got yelled at by
the guy because you're not supposed to like do that
and you know just it was like some ridiculous like
child child this drama but like anyway I'm just saying
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like if I if I was pregnant like that would
have been like an impact you know that would have
been like a serious it wouldn't have been good to
to be pregnant and get hit that hard like that
and Maybe you're not supposed to hit everybody, but, like,
things happen, you know?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, for sure. All right. A 12-week pregnant woman showed
up to the ER after hours of pain and vomiting.
They gave her an ultrasound and found something quite unexpected.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
This is really cool, actually. So when they did the
imaging on her, they saw that she had this fetal
skeleton in the imaging that was in her abdomen. So
what happens... is she had been pregnant before and she
had an ectopic pregnancy and that's when the pregnancy grows
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in a location that's not within where it's supposed to be,
which was within the uterine cavity. So most commonly ectopic
pregnancies happen in the fallopian tube. And in this particular case,
the egg was fertilized outside of the fallopian tube and
it was in the peritoneal cavity or the pelvic cavity, right?
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So when you have, anytime you have an ectopic pregnancy,
although there's been cases of babies growing there and being
born to term and living and surviving rarely, most commonly
in the fallopian tube, especially like you have to get
it removed because it could rupture and cause you to
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bleed to death. And the same when it implant, because
when it implants, inside of your abdomen, it's now essentially
can implant like on top of your bladder or on
top of your uterus. And that environment was not made
for a baby to grow. So even though there's freak
things that happen and it's happened a few times, it's
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not ideal. So she must not have known that she
was pregnant. And then she went to be 22 weeks
pregnant with that pregnancy. And then the fetus ended up dying, right?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And she didn't know at all.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And she didn't know it all. She didn't have any
symptoms at all. So what happens is that the body
just treats it as far in and it just builds
up a wall around it and it calcifies. It just
builds up. It turns to stone, basically. It sits there
and it sat there. She got pregnant again. She's now pregnant.
(37:10):
She's 12 weeks. And now her uterus is starting to
get a little bigger and I'm just thinking that maybe her,
her symptoms were just due to the pregnancy, to be
honest with you, just like early pregnancy, nausea, whatever. But
it could be because her uterus is getting a little
bit bigger and now feels this thing that's leaning up
against it. That's a rock essentially, because it's probably the
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size of a baseball, right? That that's like a rock. So, um,
They're able to go in and do surgery and remove it.
And when they take it out, it looks like a mummified,
calcified structure of just like a baseball-sized skeleton that's like stone, basically.
It's really, really cool.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And this is, of course, a really rare complication, correct?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, this is... I've never seen this. So I've seen.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I've.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Seen an absorbed twin, which we call fetus paparacia. And that's...
a little bit of a different situation, but like, let's
say sometimes you get pregnant with a, you have a
twin pregnancy. And if, as long as they're not sharing
the same blood supply, like one of the, one of
the babies dies in utero, sometimes they'll say, well, we're
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not going to, we're not going to take that one
out because it could risk the other pregnancy growing. And
they just leave it there in case, like if there's complications,
they'll address it. But like, your body will start to
try to absorb it. So it just, they just leave
it there. So sometimes you have like, for example, you
would have the baby would get delivered and then they
would send the placenta to us from that twin pregnancy.
(38:47):
And you would see the one that died maybe at
13 weeks in the placenta.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But it, but it doesn't look like a fetus anymore.
It looks like a fetus that was like ran over
600 times and, it's like flat and they call it
fetus papyrus because it looks like a piece of like
papyrus paper. Like it's that thin. But when you look
at it, you're like, oh my God, I see a face.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I see an arm.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I see a backbone. So it's like a really, really
cool thing. I mean, it's cool for us to come
across that. And another time you see that is when
people like in your situation that do IVF, like sometimes
they get multiple embryos implanted and then they decide that,
you know, they don't want to have three or four babies.
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So sometimes they go in and do like a selective
abortion basically and take two of them out early on
in the pregnancy. And you could see those babies or
fetus absorbed as well. Sometimes they're like really little, but
you could see them inside of the sack it's really
cool like in the wall of the sack.
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Hi everyone, welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to start off with a story about an
influencer who died during a penis enlargement procedure. Then we'll
get into this viral A24 video starring Elizabeth Holmes. If
you remember, she is the disgraced founder of Theranos who
was convicted of defrauding investors by falsely claiming her company's
(00:43):
blood testing technology could perform hundreds of tests from just
a few drops of blood. Then we'll finish up with
a couple unusual pregnancy slash childbirth stories involving a postmortem
cesarean section. a freak accident, and a stone baby. All
that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
All right, so first, a wealthy influencer has died after
undergoing a penis enlargement surgery while on a luxury vacation
in Thailand with his wife.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I keep seeing videos of all of these foreign travel
to get surgery, like all of these influencers doing videos
about how nice it is when they get off the
plane in the hotel that they're staying at and how
people are taking care of them and stuff. And it's
just becoming more and more popular. What is it called? Like, uh,
(01:36):
I surgery tourism or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Exactly what they call it. I know what you're saying. Yeah.
It's something tourism, but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
But, um, but yeah, so this particular guy was getting,
I don't know that he was necessarily getting surgery. It
seems like he was getting filler, like some kind of, uh, Yeah,
that's what I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Was confused by because it was saying he was getting
a surgery done, but then when it went into further details,
it just suggested that he was getting what, like hyaluronic
acid filler?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, which is like filler that people get in their face.
So there is a possibility when you get filler injected,
and this is on your face as well, that it
could go into an artery or vein by accident and
cause significant damage to, you know, especially if you get
it in your face. and it's injected in the wrong area,
(02:27):
because it's not liquid, it's like a gel, and it
could actually clog one of your blood vessels. So it
is a concern that you're going to a legitimate injector.
But in the area of the penis, for example, you
could inject it directly into a vein, which then can
travel into the largest vein of the body, which is
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the inferior vena cava, and travel up into the heart
and get stuck the lungs and it could cause what
is called it's the similar process to what happens with
a pulmonary embolism except this is a foreign material that's
traveling to the lungs so it's a hyaluronic acid embolism
same thing it's interesting because I just talked about this
(03:12):
on Instagram last week I did a post about a
woman that this happened in Philadelphia actually at the airport
there was a woman who was injecting silicone into women's
butts like but using like industrial grade like Home Depot
silicone and ended up injecting this into this girl's butt
(03:34):
and the silicone traveled to her lungs and she died
from it. So she had a silicone embolism. It was
an old case from the gross room that I had
just posted on Instagram. So we do have cases in
the gross room of this happening with certain situations. I
think the really interesting And I don't know what the
standard protocol is for penis filler. I know that they
(03:56):
do it. But let me just give you an idea
of how much he was getting at this place in Thailand.
So normally anyone that's listening to us who's gotten filler,
normally like if you get your lips done, for example,
they'll put in like half of a milliliter to a
milliliter of filler on your face. Like sometimes you get
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a couple if you're getting like your cheeks done and
your lips or something like that, right? this guy had
40 milliliters injected into his penis 40 so like face
is like one two maybe three four vials at the
most for like a full kylie jenner look maybe 40
(04:40):
he had like that to me i'm just kind of
like that seems excessive and outrageous so i'm sure that
has a lot to do with it too do you
Because 40 milliliters of a gel fluid, like if you
put it in a cup, it's a lot of fluid
to be injecting into someone like that.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Do you think another problem could have been the fact
that they got massages right after too?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it is possible. I mean, I don't know because
that would have had to have been introduced during the procedure.
But yeah, I mean, definitely when you're doing a massage
and you're increasing circulation, I mean, that could have... you know,
maybe it would have dissolved a little bit locally. I'm
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not sure exactly how that works because it is, I mean,
it is, it's a little hard to completely unavoid the
entire vascular system because like when you stick a needle
in your skin, you're going to bleed at some point,
which means you're disrupting something. But usually it's like a
smaller capillary. You're not going into like an actual vessel.
(05:44):
And your penis is just like a more delicate area
because there's bigger blood vessels there right and it's possible
to um hit one by accident so I don't know
like if anyone's listening if you know anyone that's had
penis filler or like if you perform it yourself what
like the standard amount is I just feel like that's
(06:05):
kind of a lot that's like at okay you need
more help level if you need that much yeah I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't understand how it's that much like It is embarrassing.
How his penis would explode from that amount.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And all of these people are like, you know, just
making jokes online saying like, I'd rather you just tell,
if you're going to tell the news that I died,
just say I killed myself. Like, don't say that I
died getting penis filler. It's so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, who put this information out there though? Because
I think it maybe could have gone under the radar.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah. Well, I mean, the person's some kind of an influencer.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Well, he was buried in London in a gold coffin,
reportedly costing more than $ 745, 000. What? Yes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
What was he doing as an influencer? I really don't...
That's like such a waste of money. If you told
me your wishes were to get buried in a $ 745, 000 thing,
I'd be like, okay, sure. And then when you died,
I'd take the money and put it in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'd be like... What a waste of money. The article
just said he was a British-Nigerian businessman, and he was
a wealthy influencer, and that he was buried in the
gold coffin. Speaking of coffin, did you see that woman
that worked for Dior died in a bad car accident
a couple weeks ago? I don't really know what she did.
(07:33):
She worked for Dior Corporate as a designer or something.
anyway when she was buried she had this like wicker
coffin it was very chic for a coffin i must
say and they covered it in roses it was actually
so beautiful it didn't look like your traditional coffin it
was like this really cool looking thing oh that's cool
send it to me i want to see i'm not
really interested in being buried but then i'm like am
(07:56):
i also interested in being cremated after the david scott
scandal so like i just i don't really know but
I thought it was interesting. And then I also saw
an article, which I think we've talked about before, about
mushroom coffins. I saw a really cool one. But I'm
pretty sure we've talked about that before. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, we talked. Luke Perry got buried in a mushroom suit.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. All right. On to the most
shocking news of the weekend. A24 revealed that they were
secretly making a documentary about Elizabeth Holmes, aka disgraced founder
of Theranos, the blood startup company, the blood testing startup company.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So, like, when did this come out? Like, two nights ago, maybe?
I was scrolling through, and then I kept, you know,
when I'm in bed at night and Gabe's sleeping, like,
I don't have my volume on, so I'm just kind of, like,
looking through. And I kept seeing the clip of that video. And,
you know, I just was like, oh, I wonder what
this is about. Like, I can't hear what they're talking about.
(09:00):
And I'm just watching it, though. And I'm watching both
of their movements. And I'm just like, dude, this lady.
And I thought this lady's out of her mind forever.
But I'm just like, oh, my God, I can't wait
to watch this. And then I woke up in the
morning and watched this. I did send it to you
and say, like, what is this? Because none of us,
nobody knew that this was happening, right?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No. So for those of you who have no idea
what we're talking about, Nathan Fielder, the comedian. Is seen
in this video that I saw. What was the post
you sent me? Like this video deserves an award by itself.
Like just the trailer.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
No, it's so bizarre because when I'm watching it, I'm like,
this seems like it's like filmed like a movie.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So it's Nathan Fielder staring at Elizabeth Holmes. And they're
just staring at each other. And she's saying, I have
nothing to deceive you on. And then it's just extreme
close-ups of both of their faces. And if you're unfamiliar
with his comedy style, it's like extremely uncomfortable and awkward.
So that's exactly what you get from it. Just the
way he's staring. back at her and the way she's
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staring at him and then she's kind of moving like
rocking her body the whole time and then at the
end of it they do a wide angle shot and
she's rocking one of her children in a bouncer seat
so I guess what I think.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
A lot I'll tell you how close they were like
she's sitting on a couch and And he's on the
other side of the couch, like in a chair that
close to her head. And it looks so intimate and
close and weird that you're watching it. And I'm like, wait,
I thought she was in jail. Is she like an
actress in this movie now? Like what's happening? I wasn't really,
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I don't know who this guy is.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Oh, you don't know about the pilot thing?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I don't know anything about this guy. I was like,
who is this? I don't know anything.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
All right. So he has this show on HBO. And
I never really watched it. But I know about this
pilot thing because you know about my Boeing theory. So
any airline activity gets my attention. So basically what he
was doing was it says for the season two finality
of his show, the rehearsal... He spent two and a
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half years training to become a licensed commercial Boeing 737
pilot to prove a point about cockpit communication. So he
wanted to prove basically that he thought a lot of
plane crashes happened due to miscommunications between pilots and co-pilots.
So what happened was he actually got licensed, like in
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real life, he got licensed as a Boeing pilot. And
then instead of using a simulator, he worked his way up,
to basically fly a plane, and then they got 150
actors to be passengers on the plane, but a real
co-pilot who didn't know they were actors. And then he
acted out a miscommunication between the two. So he actually
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worked his way up and did that.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm surprised he didn't get in trouble for that.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I actually think when it, after it aired, it was
like a really big deal and they were trying to
take the episode down because it just proved all the
holes and how easy it was for somebody like him
to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So anyway, this is his, he, he does things like this,
like extremely uncomfortable things and interviewing her must be uncomfortable
because she's an extremely awkward person. She's seemingly still talking
in the deep voice, which according to people in her
life is not the natural way she speaks. but she's
pretty committed to it.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's definitely not as deep as it's been.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's not as deep as it's been, but it's still
pretty deep.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
She sounded like she was almost doing a Romy and
Michelle voice. Excuse me, my shoe is filling up with blood.
That's what she talked like.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was so weird. It is weird. So this is
the synopsis of the documentary. It's called You Can See
Everything coming out next month. It says, 34 days before
she's sent to prison, notorious Silicon Valley founder Elizabeth Holmes
invites a skeptical film crew to document her every move.
What begins as an intimate portrait of an enigmatic felon
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becomes a mind-bending three-year journey into the abyss. So I'm
guessing they were filming her before she went into prison
and then it was so wild that they continued filming
her while she's still in there.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
What's interesting to me too is that If you were really, like,
so she has a baby. She had a baby knowing
she was going to go to jail, right?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
She had two babies knowing she was going to jail.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Okay, so you're at home with your brand new family
and you're married now, right? And you're possibly going to
jail for years and having to leave your children and
your husband and you decide that that was a good
time to invite a film crew to follow your every move. Like,
it's going to be interesting because you're just like, What
normal person would do that?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So her son was born in July 2021, just weeks
before the start of her federal fraud trial. And his
birth caused initial delays in the court scheduling. And then
her daughter was born in February 2023 after her conviction
and shortly before she began serving her prison sentence in
May 2023. I believe she was sentenced to 11 years
in federal prison.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, I remember we talked about that because we were like,
that's cool. Her kid's intact. Like, Lucia's 11 years old,
so that means her entire life, like, you're just not
there for it.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
And there's theories not confirmed that she was having the
children to either get off or get a later sentence,
which clearly the judge should not give a shit about.
And it's arguably more messed up that she would have
the children full well knowing she was going to prison.
I mean, this is disgusting. So she's just not going
to be in the kids' lives for, like, the first
decade of their lives? She.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So when you look at her talk... I mean, if
you watch the video without sound or with whatever, you're
just like, this chick is completely out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
She's out of her mind. So I've talked about this before.
I wonder if they film her in prison, if Real
Housewife of Salt Lake City and fellow inmate Jennifer Shaw
is going to make an appearance or Ghislaine Maxwell is
also in the same prison as her. So will they
be making appearances?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah. I just, I really want to see it. Like
I'm intrigued by all of this. I just, and his like,
and I don't know him, but his reaction to how
she's talking is just very interesting. Like the whole entire
thing of it is just like, like you're assuming that
it's a documentary style and none of it's scripted, which
(15:38):
I believe is the case because I think that that
lady is, And I think that that's part of her thing,
is that she thought she could say this stuff and
get away with it, which she kind of did. And
then it's like, she probably thought that she was going
to get out of jail, and just, like, she, like,
is 100% convinced that she wasn't going to get in trouble,
(15:59):
and that's why she had the kids. Like, because she
just didn't think that she was actually going to go
to jail, maybe.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I don't think she thinks she did anything wrong. I mean,
I think in her mind, she thinks that she was...
pitching this product that wasn't perfect but was promising people
it was gonna work and like she was falsifying paperwork
she was falsifying lab results she was being very deceptive
and hiding other machines in their facility and doing testing
on those she was misdiagnosing live patients that's a very
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it's just a little bit of a different take on that.
I have a couple posts in there this week about
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they're cosmetic tattoos. They're not just to have a design,
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I did this really interesting post too, because I've been
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to look for some images for the book. And I'm
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this one was from an old book from the 1800s
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of GYN pathology and just the different positions that they
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really interesting that they would have someone on all fours
and the drawings are outrageous so we talk about that
but yeah a lot of tattoos and then this uh
(18:19):
funeral friday was this week and we talk about extreme
embalming i think my favorite one out of the the
group was the guy who's propped up at his drum
set playing And then I did my own mock-up of
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in true AI, it's terrible. Things are spelled wrong. It
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Speaker 1 (18:52):
I still think, though, that, like, there has to be
some responsibility on other people involved with this because there's
absolutely no way that this company went all the way to, like, having, like,
offices in Walgreens.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That, like, there was, like, that there wasn't some kind of,
there wasn't some kind of, just with clinical labs and stuff,
I mean, we wrote a post about this, a high-profile
dissection in the grocery room, and, um, was just like
all of the different rules with the lab equipment and
and lab testing and stuff like how she got around
(19:29):
it it's really interesting um you know what's so I've
been seeing this ad for this this newer thing that's
called the Tasso and it's basically like you put this
it's almost like the thing you would you would put
in for like the the insulin pump or something like
it's the thing that a needle like goes into your
(19:50):
skin and it like stays there all the time you
know and I see I've seen advertisements for it so
you put this needle in your upper arm and you
leave it there for a while and it like collects
blood like a mini vial of blood right and then
you could send that in and get blood testing done
so When I first saw it, I was just kind
(20:10):
of like, oh, this is like a Theranos 2.0. But
this is like actually smart that like companies were kind
of seeing what she did and try to work her
way around it. So they were saying with Theranos, because
they were trying to make it for the everyday person
that like all you had to do is like give
a drop of blood and they could do all these
lab tests. But there was no way for these machines
(20:32):
to actually be able to do all those tests on
such a small amount of blood. So- This company, I
feel like just did a workaround and they were like,
all right, well, we'll just make it easy to collect
blood and we'll just send it to the, for the normal,
the normal testing done because it's enough blood to do
the normal testing on it.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that was her problem because like for somebody like
me that has a needle phobia, it seemed really ideal
because she was advertising like you just prick your finger.
and send the one drop of blood and then it
gets tested on her device the Edison device and then
could test all these different things but yeah I thought
it was an amazing idea and clearly a bunch of
(21:12):
investors did too because she was getting hundreds of million
dollars of investments and unfortunately I mean she not unfortunately
she got in trouble but she really only got in
trouble for defrauding investors not for like misdiagnosing real patients
which to me is the greater problem here.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, and she didn't. I don't think that, I feel
like there was some certain things, I don't remember off
the top of my head, but no one, they weren't
able to prove that anyone died or had, at least
she wasn't responsible for anything like that as far as
that goes. And like, there's still like a lot more
(21:54):
to the story because I'm just kind of like, if
I wanted to do that test and I went to
Walgreens and got that done and then find out that
like these tests are fake and all this stuff, like
I feel like they should have been responsible for it too.
Like she's, she is getting kind of the fall for
all of it when there was like lots of other
people involved with that going down.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, that guy, her boyfriend at the time, Sonny, he
also went to prison for it. Cause he was like
really the driving force behind it. So they both went
to jail, but I agree with you. Like, I honestly
don't really trust Walgreens that much because of their, I, I,
I guess it's, I guess in one regard, like if
they're going off of the regular process and they're reading
(22:36):
paperwork and they're seeing all this stuff that she falsified
and Sonny Balwani falsified, right. They did their due diligence,
but did they, because there was a lot of people
working within the company that knew things weren't right. And
we're whistleblowing it. So like, i don't know it makes
me question their vetting process is what i'm getting at
(22:59):
you know what.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Else is really weird too that i noticed because now
this video is like viral on all platforms and stuff
and so many men are like i know this is
a weird opinion but she's so hot and i'm like
really like i just don't understand i don't i don't
see the appeal like Besides the fact that she looks
like she's just completely out of her mind.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
She also looks like she has horrible sunburn on her face.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, I'm just kind of like, okay.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's such a weird video.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It's just interesting that people think that she's hot. I'm like, okay,
what am I missing here?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
So are we going on a movie date to go
see it?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yes, yes, I want to see it.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
All right, we're going to have to figure out where
it's playing. This is excellent. I cannot wait to see this, honestly.
There are no stories.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I hope it's not, like, just that weird theaters that are, like,
not around here or something.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It'll... Well, you know, I was going to say, it's
probably going to be at that Ritz in Old City,
but I think they are... Do you know the one I.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Took my wedding pictures? Yeah, I just saw that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Temporarily closed down to, like, fire violations or something, so...
it'll be somewhere around here, but we're probably going to
have to go to the city to see it or something,
which I guess that means you're out. I'll wait. I'll
go see it by myself. All right. A woman is
sharing one of the craziest birth stories ever saying that
she died during childbirth. Doctors then gave her a postpartum
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C-section to save the baby and then brought her back
to life.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
No post-mortem. Oh, sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Like that. No, you don't have to start over. I'm
just saying like, I meant postpartum. I feel like, I
feel like I'm not trying to diminish what she went
through because it was horrible, but this is also so
sensationalized and the terminology that she's using is just a
little much for me.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
See, I have such bad postpartum brain that my notes
aren't written correctly.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, I'm just emphasizing it because that's dramatic. A postmortem
C-section means that you're dead. and they're taking the baby
out of your dead body.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, they told her husband that technically she was expired. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I just, I don't believe that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I don't believe that your wife is on the operating table,
and they're resuscitating her, and they say, you know what?
She's really dead, but we're going to continue to work
on her. Nobody said that. Do you think that somebody
said that to him? I mean, I guess it's possible,
but I just feel like With all of the other
(25:29):
dramatic terms. That are turned into this story. Because like this.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Was that what she said verbatim. Or is that what
the writer wrote.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
No it was in quotes. That that was what was
said to him. That the doctor said that she had expired.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And also I just want to put. I understand what
you're saying. But don't you think it's possible. With all
the terrible bedside manner stories. We covered that somebody did
just say that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I mean I guess anything's possible. But I just think.
Let me just tell you guys what happened. So she
had what's called an amniotic embolism. And that's a really
scary thing that I think that most people that are
pregnant always wonder in the back of their head if
that's going to happen to them. And it's super, super rare.
It doesn't happen that often. And what happens is we
(26:19):
were just talking about an embolism with... The word embolism
just means that it's something that's within the vascular system
that's traveling through So it could be just blood that's traveling,
like a blood clot. It's just something that shouldn't be
there that's traveling. So with the penis, it was the
hyaluronic acid. With this, it's an amniotic embolism. So the
(26:42):
reason that they call it this is because they've, you know,
after autopsy, they've been able to see like fetal cells
actually inside of the lungs of women who've died from this.
So then the theory was like, okay, these cells are
getting into the circulation and they're going to the lungs
and causing a person to either their heart to stop
(27:04):
or them to die, right? And then to go into DIC,
which is a dangerous clotting and bleeding disorder. So that's
not really the case though when they started investigating how
this actually happens. It more seems like it's some kind
of a weird, rare, allergic reaction almost. Like it almost
(27:24):
acts like more of like an anaphylactic shock rather than
like an embolism like how that guy just died okay
right so regardless this happens to her it could either
happen right before you have the baby during the baby
after you have the baby like it just depends on
what part um we actually did a high profile death
dissection on um a nurse influencer her name was haley
(27:48):
akulu that died from this actually during childbirth and she
was a social media influencer So it was kind of
a big deal when that happened. So with her, with
this particular woman, it was like she was pushing and
then all of a sudden she got like really sweaty
and nauseous and like her heart stopped, right? So, which
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is terrible, but that's when she says she died, which
I guess people say that terminology sometimes. And I'm just
kind of like, I don't like that. Like I died
five times and was brought back to life.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Like I just, I'm.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Kind of like, I feel like you die once. That's my,
that's what I think personally. So she went into cardiac
arrest and then they decided that they were going to
do an emergency C-section to get the baby out, like
as they were resuscitating her. So at that time she
said that they told her husband, oh, she's, she's dead.
(28:41):
She's already expired. Like, I don't know that they would
ever say that without, unless they called her death and
she was dead. Like, I just, it's a stretch for
me to think that.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Really, it's just kind of like, if you want to
say whatever you're going to say, like, who's ever going
to know if it really happened or not, right? Like,
there's no one to fact check this on. So the
terminology she's using for this article or for whatever clicks
she wants to get that, like, I was dead, and
then they did a post-mortem cesarean on me, which is,
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that's something you would say, like, A person died in
a car accident and they're like legitimately like brain dead. Otherwise,
they're keeping them alive on a machine so they could
hopefully take the baby out. Or the mom had just
recently died and they're going to try to see if
they could save the baby's life. Like that's what I
would consider. to be like a post-mortem CT not one
(29:50):
that was like still an active I mean, I feel...
It's just, like, a little dramatic.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I feel everybody that's maybe had an emergency C-section could
argue that they thought they died during the procedure. Like,
I thought for a minute that my life was done
when I was... I know, I know. You were in pain.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like, her heart legitimately stopped.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So, like.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I just think it's like a little sensationalized.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It wasn't the pain the scariest part to me was
when they numb me from my chest down and they
did preface with it's gonna feel like you're not breathing
but you are breathing and then I was like I'm
not breathing and they were like you wouldn't be able
to talk if you were breathing and my mouth was
so dry it was terrible but whatever it could be
(30:35):
worded poorly or whatever right but like There is a possibility,
I feel, just to play devil's advocate, that people that
work in hospitals don't always have the best bedside manner
and they just said that out loud and shouldn't have.
Or told her the wrong thing was going down.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, I mean, anything's possible.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Because sometimes I'll go to the doctor or I'll tell
you stuff that somebody will tell me a medical story
and they'll tell you and you're like, that's not what happened.
And I'm like, well, I'm not a medical person, so
I don't know. So maybe that's what happened here.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
A mom-to-be and her unborn child were killed in a
freak go-karting accident after her hair got caught in the
sprocket of the go-kart.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So this is an interesting thing I wanted to talk
to you about because this... I would think that when
you're pregnant, it's just kind of like all rules are...
Like all rides, I should say, are off limits, right?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I mean, going in a car is something you have
to do, but... I just think that anything else, if
you went to an amusement park, like, I think it
would be fine to go on, like, Haunted Mansion or
something like that because you're just sitting there basically rolling.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But not, like, an impact.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But you're not going to go on something, anything that
goes even a little bit faster than that that could
jolt you. It's just, like, not a good idea. So,
which is, like, I don't really, I don't know that
I really consider this to be, like, I feel like
the word freak accident is, like, you're walking down the
street and a branch falls and kills you instantly. Like,
(32:09):
you had no role in it, you know?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Well, I get where you're getting at, but, like, I
think the pregnancy's kind of irrelevant to the accident that
happened because her hair got caught.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
This accident completely sucks, and it's definitely why when you
go on a roller coaster or you go and you
do anything... And you have long hair that you should
always tie it back because... And not just in a ponytail,
like a bun. Like a bun, yeah. Because it could
get caught in the gear and that's exactly what happened
to the point where it ripped her head back so
(32:44):
hard that it compressed her airway and she died from asphyxia.
And that makes me think like, oh my God, imagine
bending your head back that far that air is not
able to get into your lungs anymore because that's how...
that's how much your windpipe is bent. Like, that's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean, I would advise as a pregnant person,
don't go on rides, but I do think that fact has, like,
nothing to do with the accident at hand that happened. Like,
it's just a very unfortunate additional detail.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah. And it sucks, too, because she was only 12
weeks pregnant, which, like, they're not going to, they can't
do anything to, I mean, like, if she was 24 weeks,
they could try to save the baby.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
But, like, Yeah, most of her family didn't even know yet.
I mean, 12 weeks is just.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I think she was 16 weeks, but yeah, she wasn't, like,
that far along.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, she was, like, only a couple months along. So, um...
I don't know, like... Yeah, like, the pregnancy really has
nothing to do with it, but that's just, like, a
side conversation I wanted to have with you, which is.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Just, like.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Because go-karts... When I went on the ones at Pigeon Forge,
it was, like, me and Lucia in one, and Gabe
and Lillian in the other one.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
And Gabe.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
like thinks he's hilarious. He crashed into me so hard
that my glasses flew off my face onto the track.
I'm not like, so number one, I was like panicking
that someone was going to run my glasses over because
that would be the worst thing ever. And then number two,
like it, it was that hard that I, I couldn't
see to drive anymore, but also like it gave me
(34:19):
fricking whiplash. I was so mad at him. I like was,
I like when we got off, I was just like,
you're such a jerk. Like, why would you do that?
And he was, him and the kids thought it was
the funniest thing ever and I was just like I
just don't think it's funny he got yelled at by
the guy because you're not supposed to like do that
and you know just it was like some ridiculous like
child child this drama but like anyway I'm just saying
(34:43):
like if I if I was pregnant like that would
have been like an impact you know that would have
been like a serious it wouldn't have been good to
to be pregnant and get hit that hard like that
and Maybe you're not supposed to hit everybody, but, like,
things happen, you know?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, for sure. All right. A 12-week pregnant woman showed
up to the ER after hours of pain and vomiting.
They gave her an ultrasound and found something quite unexpected.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
This is really cool, actually. So when they did the
imaging on her, they saw that she had this fetal
skeleton in the imaging that was in her abdomen. So
what happens... is she had been pregnant before and she
had an ectopic pregnancy and that's when the pregnancy grows
(35:31):
in a location that's not within where it's supposed to be,
which was within the uterine cavity. So most commonly ectopic
pregnancies happen in the fallopian tube. And in this particular case,
the egg was fertilized outside of the fallopian tube and
it was in the peritoneal cavity or the pelvic cavity, right?
(35:53):
So when you have, anytime you have an ectopic pregnancy,
although there's been cases of babies growing there and being
born to term and living and surviving rarely, most commonly
in the fallopian tube, especially like you have to get
it removed because it could rupture and cause you to
(36:14):
bleed to death. And the same when it implant, because
when it implants, inside of your abdomen, it's now essentially
can implant like on top of your bladder or on
top of your uterus. And that environment was not made
for a baby to grow. So even though there's freak
things that happen and it's happened a few times, it's
(36:36):
not ideal. So she must not have known that she
was pregnant. And then she went to be 22 weeks
pregnant with that pregnancy. And then the fetus ended up dying, right?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And she didn't know at all.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
And she didn't know it all. She didn't have any
symptoms at all. So what happens is that the body
just treats it as far in and it just builds
up a wall around it and it calcifies. It just
builds up. It turns to stone, basically. It sits there
and it sat there. She got pregnant again. She's now pregnant.
(37:10):
She's 12 weeks. And now her uterus is starting to
get a little bigger and I'm just thinking that maybe her,
her symptoms were just due to the pregnancy, to be
honest with you, just like early pregnancy, nausea, whatever. But
it could be because her uterus is getting a little
bit bigger and now feels this thing that's leaning up
against it. That's a rock essentially, because it's probably the
(37:32):
size of a baseball, right? That that's like a rock. So, um,
They're able to go in and do surgery and remove it.
And when they take it out, it looks like a mummified,
calcified structure of just like a baseball-sized skeleton that's like stone, basically.
It's really, really cool.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And this is, of course, a really rare complication, correct?
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, this is... I've never seen this. So I've seen.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I've.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Seen an absorbed twin, which we call fetus paparacia. And that's...
a little bit of a different situation, but like, let's
say sometimes you get pregnant with a, you have a
twin pregnancy. And if, as long as they're not sharing
the same blood supply, like one of the, one of
the babies dies in utero, sometimes they'll say, well, we're
(38:23):
not going to, we're not going to take that one
out because it could risk the other pregnancy growing. And
they just leave it there in case, like if there's complications,
they'll address it. But like, your body will start to
try to absorb it. So it just, they just leave
it there. So sometimes you have like, for example, you
would have the baby would get delivered and then they
would send the placenta to us from that twin pregnancy.
(38:47):
And you would see the one that died maybe at
13 weeks in the placenta.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But it, but it doesn't look like a fetus anymore.
It looks like a fetus that was like ran over
600 times and, it's like flat and they call it
fetus papyrus because it looks like a piece of like
papyrus paper. Like it's that thin. But when you look
at it, you're like, oh my God, I see a face.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I see an arm.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I see a backbone. So it's like a really, really
cool thing. I mean, it's cool for us to come
across that. And another time you see that is when
people like in your situation that do IVF, like sometimes
they get multiple embryos implanted and then they decide that,
you know, they don't want to have three or four babies.
(39:32):
So sometimes they go in and do like a selective
abortion basically and take two of them out early on
in the pregnancy. And you could see those babies or
fetus absorbed as well. Sometimes they're like really little, but
you could see them inside of the sack it's really
cool like in the wall of the sack.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.