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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to have the latest updates on the first
couple of days of the Ditty trial and some new
information that was released about Brian Koberger such a freaking creep.
We will also get into an influencer who had sex
selective IVF and she was surprised by our audience's reaction
to that. We have a few freak accidents to talk about,
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involving kangaroos, spiders, and hot air balloons. A disgusting, seriously
discussing case of child abuse that's local to us. Shocker.
It's like right in the town that I went to
college and uh middle school and my mother. This is
a terrible story about a mother who is forced to
keep her dead daughter alive because she was pregnant at
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the time she died, and because of these crazy abortion laws,
she is not able to take her daughter off of
life support. All that and more, There is just a
lot of news going on this week, so bear with us.
We're trying to cover the most important things, but it's
a lot, so let's get started. Like, let's just do
(01:29):
updates with Diddy because I mean, by next week there's
just gonna be so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So keep you guys up to date. The trials underway.
I mean, I think Jerry's selection took a little longer
than they were anticipating. And we had reported that last
week people were paying the line holders to secure their
place in line. But the trial is fully underway now.
Cassie's been testifying her on the stand all week, and
she's pregnant, and I'm sure this is horrible for her
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to have to relive these like terrible years of her
life while she's also pregnant and going through all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, did you know that Diddy didn't want her to
enter the courtroom in front of the jury being pregnant
because they didn't want her to have them to have
sympathy for her because she's like she's thirty eight weeks
or something. She's like wobbling. I mean, it's actually crazy
because she very may very well go into labor and
not be even to finish. I mean, she's at the
(02:24):
very end.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, I'm sure she doesn't want to fucking be there either,
Like think about that she does.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm sure she doesn't, but at the same time, like
you do because you're you want justice, so sometimes you
go through a harder thing, but continue.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, So you know, with this, we're seeing there's no
cameras in the courtroom, so it's hard to know exactly
what's going on because, like court TV is an advertiser
isn't playing it all day long, so we have to
rely on reporters. Luckily, we are friends with Lauren who's
been in the courtroom and been reporting it. I thought
it was crazy. She said, there's so much talk of
the baby oil, like it's getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, I mean, it's it's a significant part of the
case for those of you who don't know when when
they were arresting Diddy in the beginning of this, he
had an insane amount of like over a thousand bottles
of baby oil, like in bulk, and that's just so weird.
Nobody would ever have that in their house for any reason.
(03:22):
So it is relevant to the case, I guess. But
of course, the the the prosecution is trying to say
that that Cassie's a victim, but the defense is trying
to say that she although this is a very alternative lifestyle,
she was in on it. So I'm curious what's gonna
that's gonna start today, right, They're gonna be she's gonna
be examined by the defense.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, And I saw an interesting post going around on
Instagram yesterday that like all these people are just commenting
like why didn't she leave when there's literally a video
circulating of her trying to leave and getting dried back
and be in in the hallway. Like, I just don't
even know what people are thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, and that's just like people who don't even have
means any kind of people aren't with famous people anything
or an abusive situation, and they don't leave.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
The weirdest part of this case, for I mean, there's
lots of weird to this case, but one of the
weirdest parts of this case is that she's going into
explicit detail of the sexual acts that she was doing
with Diddy and these male escorts and all this stuff,
and like his family's there. Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
His teenage children are in the room, and I'm sorry,
but like as like, where is their mother protecting them
from this? You know, It's it's really like, I understand
you want to be there and support your dad. But
this is just something that I think children should not
be privy to, even if they're adults. You want to
hear somebody give a play by play of how they
had sex with your dad in court and how an
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escort had peed in his in his significant other's mouth
at that time. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah. So she in her testimony, she said that she
so obviously she was taking drugs to get through all
of these crazy things that he wanted her to do.
And it started off with alcohol and then eventually it
got to her taking more serious drugs like opioids, and
she was taking ketamine and stuff. She said she was
taking these drugs so she could disassociate, which you would
(05:18):
want to because another crazy thing that came out was
that these freak offs what they're called, were going on
four days in a row, Like four days. Just think
about four days in your life of all the stuff
you do and spending time with your boyfriend, but also
just like complete strangers and the only thing you're doing
is like waking up and having sex and then like
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going to sleep and staying in hotel rooms. It's so
freaking bizarre. It's just it's really weird. But so as
a result of taking opioids and things like that, not
only did she get an addiction that she had to
go to rehab for, but she had gi problems because
we know that that causes constipation. She said she had
mouth ulcers all the time, which is like, can happen
(06:00):
from repeated trauma to the mouth, like oral sex all
the time, people peeing in your mouth obviously, but also
just being under emotional stress can cause you to get
ulcerations in your mouth too. She was saying that she
had UTIs all the time, which obviously, like that would
happen if a woman is having sex all the time
and they're never talking about anything being done in a
(06:21):
clean fashion with like condoms or anything, so sexually transmitted
infections are always a risk as well. Like it's just
so crazy to hear that people actually live like this. Yeah,
and so now a new suit is coming forward where
this woman is saying that he raped her in two
thousand and one, and she's saying that the only silver
lining of the whole thing was that his penis apparently
(06:45):
was the size of a tutsi roll, so she at
least wasn't worried about it hurting, but it doesn't make
it any less traumatic that you were assaulted. Oh yeah,
there's gonna be I I'm like actually really interested to
see because I know a whole bunch of photos just
got released of like some of these parties and the
people there, and like all of these people are okay
(07:05):
with this. It's so weird, and there must be some
of them that are like shit in their pants that
this is gonna be really bad for them because they
have a lot of stuff that they're going to pull
out right now. So it's really interesting to me honestly. Yeah,
all right, but let's let's get on too, so we'll
keep you guys updated as more stuff comes on. But
(07:25):
we could talk about this all day, and there's like
other things to get to. So let's talk about Coberger
because I was scrolling through acts the other night and
just so happened to come across this newest picture that
got released with the date line show that this was
that was this weekend. You also could listen to the
dateline in a podcast form. I don't know if you
guys know that, so you don't have to sit there
(07:47):
and watch the show and it talks about the latest,
and of course they get the latest information and interviews
with people and some new information came out. So I
had said this tim and to our friend Lauren Conlin
and just been like, dude, this guy like I that
rarely happens to me. That I look at a person
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that has that has killed people or is convicted or
accused of killing people, and been like scared that I
don't even want to look at the picture because the
guy looks so scary.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well yeah, I mean I think you've established that episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's like, do you not get that vibe when you
look at his picture?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like, of course I do. He's scary as shit, but like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, I don't know why it affects me so much,
but I'm telling you, when he first got arrested, it's scared.
He scared me too. There's just like when you look
at him, you're like, I don't want to say he's guilty,
but like, come on.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well it just gets worse too, because that picture came
out of him giving the thumbs up, which like that
what was it the morning after the murders, which was
so scary, and then this new picture has come out
of him wearing a black hoodie. That's also very scary.
These crazy Google searches have come out. I mean, we
know this is all gonna come out. It's not like
this guy I just allegedly murdered these four people. And
(09:03):
then there's no other prior history of weird Google searches
or pictures on his phone. The weirdest pictures on his
phone were there were dozens of photos of University of
Idaho and Washington State female students wearing bathing suits. Some
of these people in the pictures were friends with the victims.
He also went, he probably got.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All of them off of social media, all of them,
and then he went he got invited to this pool
party in Moscow a couple months before the murders and
then made dozens of trips there afterward. And then of
course his Google history was videos of Ted Bundy. He
was looking at Britney Spears song Criminal, I don't know which.
I was looking at the lyrics to that and it's
(09:41):
written and Mama, I'm in love with a criminal?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Is it? Like?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you think that he's like in love with Ted
Bundy or something like? What is that about?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I guess I never even considered that. Well, so as
like an extreme infatuation with him. So one of the
videos that he he had on his phone, I guess
or his computer of Ted Bundy, the photo that they
found of him, the one that I'm saying, like he
looks the most creepy yet where he's wearing a black hoodie.
Apparently that's exactly how Ted Bundy looked in that video,
(10:13):
like he was trying to look like him, which is
so weird. Oh, he was also looking up drugged or
sleeping porn. That's disturbing.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, So and that brings into a lot of question
of what his intentions were if he was in fact
the one that went in there, which all signs are
pointing to hell yes at this point. So did you
also see in that episode that Ethan Chapin, So he
was one of the boyfriends that just so happened to
be there. Like I think that he honestly, like my
(10:45):
opinion is is that he just walked in to do
a certain thing and like didn't expect there to be
other people around. What I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Clearly poorly planned or he just I mean, as far
as we know, he's never done anything like this before.
So if this is really the first act he's committing.
He clearly had a problem and it didn't go through
exactly as he planned.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So so Ethan Chapin apparently had carvings on his legs,
which like of what they didn't say. They just said
that his legs appeared to be carved. And I think
that we've heard this before of other people saying that
there was like gouging wounds caused by the knife. So
(11:27):
we're gonna hear a little bit more about how unusual
and bloody this crime scene was. I believe that he
likely now that you're seeing that he was like looking
up porn and stuff for drugged and sleeping, like maybe
that was some kind of fantasy that he was trying
to take out on one of the girls, and just
(11:49):
he thought he was going to commit this perfect crime
and honestly maybe didn't EXPERI he didn't expect to encounter
other people there and got into some kind of a
I mean, you have to think a bit like he's
stabbing for people. There had to be some kind of
a struggle at some point with when people, when one
of them realized what was going on, and maybe that's
(12:10):
when he dropped the knife sheath, And I just can't
help but think how lucky that is in some situation,
just because if he didn't drop that, I'm not quite
sure where we would be with this investigation right now.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, yeah, I think as far as we know, this
was the first crime he's committed, and he just was
really unprepared. He was clearly not prepared for multiple people
to be in the house. I think with this information
of the porn, you could say he was trying to
sneak in the middle of the night to see I
don't know, do you think he was possibly trying to
drug one of them and then rape one of them
or I don't really know what the motive was, cause
(12:46):
we're going to find out during the trial.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I guess if the knife sheaf was never found, then
all this other stuff, he willn't even be a suspect
at this I don't know, and I'd love to hear
that douring court, like how else they would have gotten
to him. I know that there was the white Hondai
a Lantra, but there were so many people that had
those registered in order to put those two together. I'm
not sure that that ever would have happened. So I
(13:10):
think that maybe he wasn't as clean with his search history.
And there's also something else that came out to which
was apparently after the murders, he like went on Amazon
shortly thereafter and tried to order another one of those
knives and put it in the cart. But then this
is like so cool how they're able to do this
forensic investigation through the through our digital footprint, and so
(13:34):
they were able to see that he looked up the
same exact knife that was used in the murder, put
it in his cart, and then never checked out and
xed out of the box. Like that's how specific they
could get with the Amazon history. So what would be
the chance that these four students got murdered with this
k bar knife, this marine grade, military grade knife, and
(13:55):
then all of a sudden, that same exact day, the
guy who's the suspect was looking up the same as
act knife on Amazon. I really don't think people realize
how every single action you do is tracked online via text,
email everything. I mean, I'm going to get into this one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We cover Lori Valu Part three next week, because I
was sending you some of their like horrific sexting whatever,
but like you know, there was text between Laurie and
her brother where he set up the Wi Fi and
the password was too many kids. I mean, come on, oh, are.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
People doing well? We're going to talk about that a
little bit later in this episode two of us creeping
through people's Facebook accounts.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
All right, let's move on to this next story. So
this Australian influencer, Caitlin Bailey, she's facing a lot of
backlash after going to the United States first sex selective IVF.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So apparently, when you get IVF, you can do what's
called preimplantation genetic selection, which is when they are able
before they implant the embryos, they're able to determine ninety
five percent of the time if you decide that you
want to have a male or a female. And this
is an additional cost on top of IVF, which is
(15:08):
already expensive. But like, if you're paying forty thousand dollars
for it, what's another five thousand dollars right, like at
that point. But in Australia, this is is not legal.
They banned it, and I don't know with good reason.
I feel they say that since two thousand and four
it's been banned. It was necessary to prevent sex imbalances, sexism,
(15:34):
discriminatory stereotypes, and they said legitimizing sex selection is contrary
to our societal values and around diversity, equality and the
intrinsic worth of each individual and ethical concerns that related
to children being treated as products rather than just being
born for who they are and unconventionally loved.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I think it's ridiculous to travel to another country for it,
but I do agree. Like I noticed the article was
saying she spent forty five thousand dollars. Well, that's what
it costs if you if your health insurance doesn't cover it,
So that's.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Not like does it not cost anything in Australia.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I don't know, but like that in the United States,
that is what one IVF cycle costs. So like, I
don't know why that's such a shocking number.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So I do think shocking. I guess if you get
it for free in Australia.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, So I do agree in this case it's kind
of nuts to travel for it. But I think if
you were fully getting it done in a country where
the sex selection was allowed, and it's simply a matter
of one more test and you really do want a
gender like whatever, it's your choice. I'm really not. We've before,
we've reported on like people trying to get like specific
(16:47):
eye colors or hair color, like that is ridiculous and
you're just messing with too much. But if it's simply.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We are with sex, you are with sex too. I mean,
I listen, I don't I personally like it. To me,
it's irrelevant because not that many people in the grand
scheme of things get IVF, So even if every single
person picked their gender, it's not going to really skew
like the balance of society that much. But I guess
as as it increases, I guess there's a possibility of that.
(17:17):
I mean, you could just you could go as far
as saying that with IVF in general, that you're that
you're doing something that you know, like there's there's no
line to be crossed, and if people want to do it,
like whatever, I don't give a shit. Honestly. The craziest
part of this story to me is that this woman
is on her fourth pregnancy and she's a single mom
(17:39):
by choice, so she's going to have four kids that
are really little by herself. I think that's the craziest
part of this entire story to me. Honestly, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I see it as like IVF is already an unnatural process.
So if it's a matter of Walmart test, Like really,
who cares? I mean, for me, I think you should
be happy with just getting a healthy baby. Can we
just talk about, like what what is this? I think
she's like a little out of her mind to want
to have four kids to raise by herself.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, yeah, I don't know people like doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I mean they don't can do whatever you want
to do. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I really just don't understand it, Like, please explain that
to me. I mean, I know somebody that did that
because she was never in a good relationship and she
was like, honestly, like I want a kid really bad,
and I don't want to have to go through another
bad relationship and split custody of her. Oh I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't care about that. If you choose to be
a parent as a single parent, I'm just saying, like
four kids, Like, I think you're nuts if you have
four kids, if you have like a really involved husband
or wife, Like I just think that it's nuts to
have four little kids like that. She just is she's
a very special person. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't know what I'm taking away from the story
is I do agree it was insane to travel to
get this done. And I think if you're going through
IVF you should just be happy getting a healthy baby
at the end of the day. But like, really, if
it's one more test away and like whatever, you could
do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So she posted on our social media and like people,
I think that she was a little taken aback by
people blast in or for it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, listen, this is when you share your life. This
is what happens. We know there's trolls on the Internet,
and we know some people are going to be awesome
and some people are going to be assholes. So if
you decide to share something personal, you need to expect
you're not going to get their spons you're always looking
for and that's just the state of the Internet. It's
really nothing to do with what she did with iv
if it's how everybody is with everything. This episode is
(19:39):
brought to you by The Gross Room.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So we told you that we've been doing this three
part high profile death dis section on Laurie Vallo and
Chad Day bell. This one in particular that we posted
this week has the autopsies of four of the main victims.
I should say in this case. We also really get
into in this particular post about the death investigation in
(20:01):
this country and how they really could have got away
with murder if they didn't get greedy, honestly, which is
disturbing because then you think, well, like, who else is
getting away with this that we don't even know about?
Yesterday we have anue what is it? Wednesday? I told
you guys that I post four photos and three of
the photos show different kinds of wounds and injuries and
(20:22):
you have to decide what caused it. And then one
of them is a special effects makeup and is fake.
And some of the special effects makeup are so good
it's really hard to tell if they're fake or not.
So those people get like mad respect from me, honestly,
especially because they don't work in this field. It's like,
it's really cool that they that they know how to
make an injury look so real. We also have a
(20:44):
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Speaker 1 (21:00):
All right, so this week we have a couple freak accents.
There was actually a ton of freak accidents, but we
picked a couple that stand out the most.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, first, we have this guy who is in his
fifties who is killed well sparring with a kangaroo at
a petting zoo in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So yeah, this was his brother's petting zoo, and he
was known for going in there and like trying to
fight the kangaroo, like thinking that that was funny, and
then all of a sudden, that kangaroo took out a
cann of whoop ass and killed this dude. Like they
have really they have claws, they can make deep cuts,
they have powerful kicks, and the guy had evidence of
blunt trauma all over his body. So this thing like
(21:37):
kicked this guy's ass. And kangaroos don't usually attack people
unless they feel threatened, and there's just absolutely no reason
a person should be like like tormenting an animal like that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, And I was of course watching some videos of
kangaroo attacks and they stand up when they're fighting and
they can be anywhere on average from five to six
feet tall, or some have been recorded as being eight
feet tall.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, it's like getting in a fight with a strong dude,
like you're gonna you're gonna get beat up any any
did because the kicks are so bad. Yeah, they're They're
definitely more powerful. So I mean, what's the saying play
stupid games, win stupid prizes?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like, yes, a lot of people in the gross room
lately have been saying like there should just be a
category called like fuck around find out.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That literally, like that's that's what happened here. This next
one didn't really cause much injury, but it's kind of
funny story that's very relatable.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, in Ohio, this woman crashed her card trying to
get a spider and she ended up breaking her wrist.
So I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
How many times does that happen? Like mine is like spiders,
I don't care about Mine's like a mosquito, Like I
just do not want to get bit by a mosquito.
And if I see one, I'm like freaking out so bad.
And you definitely could see how this could happen.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, spiders, I'm not necessarily bothered by In the car
but flying bugs for sure, because I'm like, I just
don't want to touch in my face. I mean, thankfully
I've never had like a be trapped in the car
or anything like that. I feel like I would crash
if there is a bee in the car.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But I really, I really rather get sung by bait
than a mosquito. I know that that sounds so ridiculous,
but like, I rather feel pain than that annoying itch.
It's just I hate that feeling so bad.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
There's no itch worse than the noseums that stays on
me for like three weeks, so unbearable. Oh they are
those ones in Florida that like bite your ankles or whatever. Yeah,
but they hit my ankles and my wrists and it's
so unbearable, Like I can't even sleep. I'm putting the
cream all over. It's not doing anything. It's horrible. Like
that's a personal form of torture for.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Me, it it is, That's what I'm saying, Like, I
don't I would rather feel pain than itch any day.
I'm telling you, Like, remember when I had that polymorphic
light eruption rash from the sun that I get in
the summer. I get around like this time of year
in the summer with the first bright sunlight. It's like
torture to be itchy and not being especially if you
(24:01):
take like banadoline and creams and stuff and it doesn't
make it go away. It's like absolute torture.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean, lots of people and naked and afraid
just end up quitting because the bugs are so bad.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like those no sam bugs. They I wonder if you
just have an allergy to them or something because it
because it does everyone get that reaction to them. There's
no way because a lot of people. I feel like
people wouldn't live there and stuff if it was like that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It must not affect everybody. I mean, it doesn't affect
when we go down there, Like Ricky doesn't have a problem, right,
but like it ruins my life for three weeks. And
that's like I'm active about putting the bugspray and whatever
on and it just doesn't matter. And it's torturous. Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So we talked about back in January of twenty twenty
four a hot air balloon tragedy that killed four people,
and now we have another one this week that came
with a viral video that just looks nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, This happened at some hot air balloon festival in Mexico.
But basically it burst into flames right before it took off,
and then it seems like there was three people on
it initially and the operator was able to get two
people off, but he wasn't able to get off before
it lifted into the air, and then he ended up
jumping to his death.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's on fire, Like, it's just so crazy to see that.
So that's your choice. Either you could be up there
and burn to death or try to jump and get
away from it and hope you survive. Like that's your
choice right there. No, it's horrible. It's just sad to
be on the ground and watch a human suffering like
that when you have absolutely no way of helping them
(25:36):
and knowing that they're just trying to make some split
second choice. I mean, what's the choice, Like, you just
know you're gonna die either way. I think he made
the right one. At least he would have had a
chance to survive. And like, who wants to burn to death?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
One? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean nobody wants to fall to death either, But
I just think burning to death would just be even
I don't know. It seems like it's one of the
worst things ever.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
But how are you possibly getting rescued from that? It's
such a.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We're not You're not like listen. I hate those things.
I think they're the coolest looking things ever. I really.
We saw some of them on our trip actually while
we were driving, and I think they're so beautiful, Like
they're just the coolest looking things on the world. I
would just never ever go on one. I think they're
you're just like asking for it. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I guess the zoo doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Right, But the zoo was attached to the ground. There
was like nothing, there was nothing like dangerous about it.
It was like it was like a low grade ride.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I was like, if that rope snaps, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It for Oh stop it. I don't even know if
it like could function if the rope snapped. I think
it was. It was like a ride at like the
little kids go on at the zoo.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Really, I think things operated in like ten years.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't it's it's not there, no, because you used
to see it, like when you were driving on seventy six,
you would see it up in the air. But now
you don't see it anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Another I didn't car crash? Has six seen the balloon ride?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh my god. All right, so this case that we're
going to talk about next is local to us. This
just happened like a day or two ago, so there's
not a ton of information. But the advantage of these
people not being high profile is that sometimes people have
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Facebook accounts and they get arrested and their Facebook accounts
don't get scrubbed, so people like Maria and I could
go through and creep on them and find out all
this information about them before law enforcement even comes in
and gets rid of their social media or whatever, and
it makes it even more disturbing to learn about these people.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, So basically what happened last week was that this
teenager escaped her house with the help of a neighbor
and told police that she had been abused since twenty
and eighteen by I guess her mom and her stepfather,
because I mean both of them had to be in
on it because they're both living in the house. But
the abuse was since she was in sixth grade, so
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the mother ended up removing her from school and made
her live in a dog create for a year. And
would only let her out occasionally. Then she was forced
to live in a bathroom and chained up, and then
eventually they moved her into an empty room with an
alarm system that would let them know if she moved
or got out.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah. So, when obviously she went to the neighbor, police
shows up at the house and they find that this
does indeed to be true, like they see all evidence
of what the daughter was telling them, and then they
found another kid in there that was thirteen years old
who was also being homeschooled. So that's when the plot thickens,
(28:41):
because when we start looking at these two social media accounts,
you're just like, you don't even understand, like how this
is going on and how this happened.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah. So I was talking to my friend Rachel about
it this morning because she lives in that area and
she grew up around there, and she sent me one
of the guys or the stepfather's Facebook page, and I
start looking through it and it just starts getting even
more confusing. It seems like these people have been together
for at least ten years, maybe more. These two children,
the eighteen year old who escaped and the thirteen year
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old who has removed from the home, were from a
previous relationship. Then the two of them had twins in
seemingly twenty nineteen, So where were the twins when they
were going through the house. I'm really confused about that.
And then there was just all these really bizarre posts
about the children and their family, and they had all
these dogs, and then the mom's Facebook page said rip
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Juliana's twelve four, fifteen twelve, twenty eight nineteen, and we're like,
was this another child? Was it a dog? Like? What
is going on?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So on his Facebook account he hasn't posted for a
while since twenty and twenty one, it looks like so
there's that. But on his Facebook account back in twenty
and twenty, there's lots of posts in a row that
say things like should a husband defend his wife against
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insults from his family? This other one says this was
from twenty twenty, hating on me because my wife is
white and has two kids from a previous relationship. So
he's black and the wife is white, making me choose
between you and them. They are my only family now
and you will never see us again. You know who
you are. Stop trying to talk to me. No means no,
(30:25):
it took me years to see how racist you are,
and now I'm free of your negativity. Peace out. So
clearly there was an issue with his family and the
new wife and the kids and all that stuff. But
this was in twenty twenty, and this child is saying
that she was held started being held two years prior
to this post was even made. As Maria said, in
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twenty and nineteen, he made a post saying that his
wife had twin daughters and said how great she was.
She takes care of all four kids and the house
and dogs. So, like we were saying there was two
kids found, where are these other two kids that are
about five or six years old at this point, right, like,
where are they? Didn't hear anything about that in the news,
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and it doesn't seem like he has a relationship with
his family, so like, where are these kids? We have
no idea right now. So in January twenty and twenty one,
he posted another ultrasound picture which had Brenda Moseley written
on the film, and it looks like it's a singleton pregnancy,
so there's only one baby there, so like, what ultrasound
is that? And where is that kid? Like, yeah, it
(31:33):
so so then you go on Brenda's Facebook page, which
looks like she created in two thousand and nine, but
she only has posts going back to twenty and twenty three. Well,
I think sometimes just based on your settings, that's why
not all of them are there. Like I think if
you were friends with her, all of her stuff would appear,
but publicly only this five peers, so there might be
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some in between, but we just can't see them. So
it for whatever I could see all the way back
to twenty twenty three, there is absolutely no evidence that
she has children. All I see is her like posting
that she's she does dog shows with this great day
and that she has right. She just posted on May tenth,
which was only five days ago, she posted a picture
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on her Facebook of her dog named jelly Roll, who
won this Best and Show award at the Lancaster Kennel Club.
Like fifty comments underneath from people like oh my god,
we're so proud of you, congrats, this, that and the other.
It's so weird. And she's wearing the dress in that
picture that she's wearing in her mugshot. She looks like
a totally like no, I hate to say this, but
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she just looks like a normal lady.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That's like, so she posted that on May tenth, because
the kid escaped on May eighth. Yeah, I don't know,
it looks like it was posted on May tenth. This
just doesn't make any sense. I mean when you look
at their Facebook page, beyond their like posts and stuff, like,
they look like letely normal people. Like I don't know.
(33:03):
I just.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Works for sept It. He's a he's an engineer for
the train like he so he works with a bunch
of people that knows him too. Which is which question?
Like this is what I question? Like you know all
these people that they do these dog shows, they have
all these people in their life that know them, and
like nobody is questioning where their children are. It's just
(33:25):
it's so outrageous to me, like four kids, Like where
are four kids? I don't understand? And these this guy's
going to work at Accepta every day and coming home
and just like treating a child like in a dog
cage and sexually abusing them and stuff I don't understand.
Like we're just talking about this now because we know
absolutely nothing at this point, but like, well we'll keep
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you updated. It's just like looking through the Facebook and stuff.
You just you can't even understand how a mom And
I understand that some people don't want to post their
kids on social media and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But they have pictures of the twins.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah they put Yeah. And another thing is when I
scrolled way back on the dads, it was a lot
of like this public affection, which you always have to
be uh, you always have to be like suspicious of
when like a couple's just like my husband's the best, Yes,
he is the best. He just treats me so good.
It's like it's really like a weird way of being
(34:23):
all the time, Like our relationship is so great. It's
just so great.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You're like, eh, you know that to me is like
kind of skeptical there too. So I don't know, Like
I don't know if she met this guy and then
like decided that she didn't want nothing to do with
her kids because the family didn't want anything to do
with the kids or whatever. I don't know what happened,
but like something really bad happened. And we just had
a story last week about kids that were remember the
(34:48):
story of the little kids that were kept inside of
their house since COVID yeah, okay, they were also being homeschooled,
you know. And it's like I homeschooled my kids in
the state of New Jersey years ago, right when up
until Lillian was in third grade, and honestly, like I
got to tell you, the walls are kind of crazy
and I can't believe it. Like I just had to
(35:09):
pull I had to send a letter to the principal
when she was in kindergarten and just say, my daughter
is not coming back to school. I'm homeschooling her. And
that was the end of it. Like nobody ever checked
to see if I was teaching her anything.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I believe I was saying that on that episode that
there needs to be check ins, like I'm sorry, I
know it could be invasive or whatever, but if you're
not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have a problem with
somebody checking in on you every couple weeks. Well, I
don't think that people should come to your house and
check on you. That's ridiculous, that's total. You don't need
to come to your not that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
But just I'm more concerned with the check ins of
because in the state of Pennsylvania, for exactly, for example,
like you have to prove that your kids are learning
age appropriate material and meeting certain landmarks. And that's all
I'm saying, Like I think that there should be that
because just having that kind of a check in would
know that at least that there's some I guess someone
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that's that's educating this kid and they're meeting certain milestones
for the education portion of it. You don't want to
get into a situation where the government's coming to your
house and checking on you and your kids. That's like
really really bad. But like the thing is is that
these kids are homeschooled. No, and there's no documentation anywhere.
(36:21):
Like my local town doesn't even know that I ever
put my kids back in school. It's like they just
completely fell off the radar. And you're going to have
people like I was always okay, like I want to
give my kids more of an education that they would
ever get at school, But like there's people that are
just like letting their kids sit on the phone all
day and not do anything, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, yeah, and this is the problem because a lot
of people use it to disguise abuse. Yeah, so so
we're there, that's where we're at right now with this,
And like I said January twenty twenty one, there was
a fetus in an ultrasound picture, so like there's potentially
a fifth kid too. We don't even know, Like there's
no comments under the picture.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's just it's so bizarre. Soies might not be able
to see them because you're yeah, friends with that's true.
So it's interesting though, because all of these people she
must have like dog show friends, and all of them
are like congrats, congrats, And then all of a sudden,
at the end of the all of the posts, the
first couple ones, there's like links to this article, and
it's just like.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Is this you?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh my god, this is like they're shocked, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, yeah, obviously, all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Right, our final story is really really upsetting, and it's
kind of an upsetting topic for people, but we have
to talk about it because it's it's just such a
unique case.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, this thirty year old mom was nine weeks pregnant.
She started suddenly developing these intense headaches back in February,
so I guess at first she went to go seek
treatment and they gave her meds at the hospital, but
they didn't do any tests. They sent her home and
then the next day, she ended up gasping for air
and it turns out she had blood clots in her brain.
So now she's been declared brain dead. But because she
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was nine months or nine weeks pregnant and due to
an abortion band in Georgia, her family is being forced
to keep her alive. So she's thirty years old and
she's also a nurse, so we have to add that.
And she went to the hospital because she was like,
this headache is a little bit worse than it should be,
and I'm gonna go get.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
This checked out. I don't know what happened there, but like,
oh shocker, Like a woman goes and gets medical treatment,
it gets blown off as it being something stupid, like okay, right,
But then she probably had a hemorrhagic stroke or something.
She might have had a ruptured aneurysm. Whatever happened, she
was from all accounts, brain dead. Brought in they were
(38:38):
going to do surgery and they were just like, no,
she's lost too much oxygen. She's brain dead. So not
only she brain dead, but there's a high probability that
the fetus that's only nine weeks developing in her also
has problems due to this lack of oxygen that we
don't even know yet until the kid's born. Okay, so
that's another thing to keep in mind. But she's so
(39:01):
she's not making any choice to abort this baby or not.
Like she's dead. So now they're saying, oh, because the
rule says that you're not allowed to get an abortion
after six weeks. They said, accept in the case of
a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy. The state's determined
that a medical emergency is defined as a condition in
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which an abortion is necessary in order to prevent the
death of a woman or substantial or irreversible physical impairment
of a major bodily function. And a pregnant woman, well,
since she's dead, they're like, Okay, well we don't need
to abort the baby because her life is not in
danger anymore, because her life is over. So they've been
(39:42):
keeping her alive on machines for ninety days. Now, she's
twenty one weeks pregnant. Okay, now think about this from
her mother's perspective. Okay, her thirty year old daughter is dead,
she has a she's pregnant with her grandson. She has
another son who now she has to have a hand
(40:04):
in raising because the mother's dead and so she's mourning
the loss of her daughter and everything else, but her
daughter is still alive, so she has to go visit
her at the hospital on these machines. And they said
that they're going to keep this fetus inside her until
she's thirty two weeks and then take the baby out
because that's when they determined that the fetus could live
(40:24):
on its own. So they're taking out a baby severely
premature that might already have underlying issues because of the
lack of oxygen the mother experience when she died. And
they're not even giving this grandmother a choice of like
if she wants to do this, And it's like it's
just so weird because she's an old lady. She you know,
(40:46):
she's a grandmom. She she might not want to take
care of a special needs any baby, let alone a
special needs baby. And this is kind of being induced
on her against her will. And she had not to
do with the choice of any of this. This is daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Is there a possibility in the next eleven weeks that
they're gonna try to keep her body? Like, is there
a possibility she could completely die in the next eleven
weeks or that's not the way they have it said.
If they have it set up that she's getting her
if she's on life support, then no, I mean I
don't think so, like she could stay alive for a
(41:23):
very long time on a machine like that like that,
that's not that's not happening. I mean, this baby has
already grown to twenty one weeks and it's I don't know,
Like the grandmom has even said, I don't know what
I would choose, but I don't like that I don't
have a choice because really this pregnancy was not her
(41:44):
choice at all. Now this the woman that is now,
I don't know, because I didn't see anything about this
in the article actually, which is interesting because the father
technically still has a right to this baby, and she
was with the father actively, they were in a relationship,
So if he is pushing for her to stay alive
(42:04):
on the machines so he could take his child, that's
a little bit of a different story. But they're they're
not married, but they're not married, and her legal Mexican
is her mother her children obviously, but they're two her sons,
I think six years old, so her legal Mexican's her mother,
(42:24):
who should be able to make the decisions.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's such a weird it's just a weird case. And
like doctors are scared shitless to do anything that because
like if the law says it's the only way you're
allowed to do the abortion is to prevent the death
of a woman, then like if they do the abortion,
they're breaking the law. They could lose their medical license,
So that's why they're scared. I personally don't understand why
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they can't just transfer her body to another hospital in
a state that just would be okay with it or whatever.
I don't know all the ins and outs of that,
And obviously that costs money too, and maybe the family
just doesn't have money for that. But I just don't
think that this is cool at all that this and
and listen, like I'm usually like not, I'm not. I've
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said this multiple times on this program. Like I'm not
a huge like pro abortion person. I think that it's
necessary in some cases, this being one of them, but
I think it's definitely way overdone for sure. But in
this particular case, this grandmom should not have to become
the parent of this child that potentially might have a
brain injury. And and and another mouth to feed, Like
(43:33):
it's it's just because because like let's say they take
the baby out of thirty two weeks, Well, who are
they given it to? You know, Like I think this
whole thing is so ridiculous and they should be making
an exception for this because they keep being like, well,
she's in a gray area. Well, to me, this is
this should be under the umbrella of a medical emergency
that it's allowed. I mean, it's ridiculous this law is
(43:54):
even in an effect to begin with.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But like if it's happening, and it's and you can't
get rid of it for a while, then why can't
this be deemed the medical emergency? I mean, this is
so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It it's actually ridiculous. Like when you when you listen
to it, and and and like this poor mom, like
she's getting an interview in People magazine and that's great,
Like they can't have some kind of emergency meeting to
figure out this for her. I mean, like it's it's
just so it's so gross. And then you hear about
these cases and you're just like, why does everybody have
to be so extreme on either side, like just be
(44:27):
reasonable and normal and like it's just like everything everything
has to be like all one way or all another
way instead of just being like in the middle zone
that would work for most people. It's it, it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, it's like we're just no longer making like human choices, right,
Like we were talking about this when that girl fainted
on air, Like instead of just being a human and
helping her out, you're like, the show must go on.
I I don't know what to do with my appearance
if like I get out of my seat, Like, who
gives a shit somebody passed out? Just make good ethical decisions?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, I feel I don't know. It's just this case
really upset. It just upsets me so bad just thinking
about it. And like I said, like the dad, there
might be more to the story, because if the dad
wants the baby alive, that's all that's all I could say,
and then that would thicken the plot a little bit.
But I don't know what's going on, and I understand,
(45:21):
like I don't know. It's just a very difficult thing
because like technically that baby wouldn't be alive if they
weren't keeping the woman alive. She's not naturally alive, like
she's alive because she's on a machine.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Well, she wasn't thirty eight weeks pregnant when the thing happened,
like she was very early.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, So I don't know. It's just like it almost
seems like some weird experiment that they're trying to do
to see. Like, I don't know, I just don't like it.
I don't like any of it. It's not cool.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to have the latest updates on the first
couple of days of the Ditty trial and some new
information that was released about Brian Koberger such a freaking creep.
We will also get into an influencer who had sex
selective IVF and she was surprised by our audience's reaction
to that. We have a few freak accidents to talk about,
(00:45):
involving kangaroos, spiders, and hot air balloons. A disgusting, seriously
discussing case of child abuse that's local to us. Shocker.
It's like right in the town that I went to
college and uh middle school and my mother. This is
a terrible story about a mother who is forced to
keep her dead daughter alive because she was pregnant at
(01:08):
the time she died, and because of these crazy abortion laws,
she is not able to take her daughter off of
life support. All that and more, There is just a
lot of news going on this week, so bear with us.
We're trying to cover the most important things, but it's
a lot, so let's get started. Like, let's just do
(01:29):
updates with Diddy because I mean, by next week there's
just gonna be so much more.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So keep you guys up to date. The trials underway.
I mean, I think Jerry's selection took a little longer
than they were anticipating. And we had reported that last
week people were paying the line holders to secure their
place in line. But the trial is fully underway now.
Cassie's been testifying her on the stand all week, and
she's pregnant, and I'm sure this is horrible for her
(01:55):
to have to relive these like terrible years of her
life while she's also pregnant and going through all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, did you know that Diddy didn't want her to
enter the courtroom in front of the jury being pregnant
because they didn't want her to have them to have
sympathy for her because she's like she's thirty eight weeks
or something. She's like wobbling. I mean, it's actually crazy
because she very may very well go into labor and
not be even to finish. I mean, she's at the
(02:24):
very end.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Well, I'm sure she doesn't want to fucking be there either,
Like think about that she does.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I'm sure she doesn't, but at the same time, like
you do because you're you want justice, so sometimes you
go through a harder thing, but continue.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, So you know, with this, we're seeing there's no
cameras in the courtroom, so it's hard to know exactly
what's going on because, like court TV is an advertiser
isn't playing it all day long, so we have to
rely on reporters. Luckily, we are friends with Lauren who's
been in the courtroom and been reporting it. I thought
it was crazy. She said, there's so much talk of
the baby oil, like it's getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, I mean, it's it's a significant part of the
case for those of you who don't know when when
they were arresting Diddy in the beginning of this, he
had an insane amount of like over a thousand bottles
of baby oil, like in bulk, and that's just so weird.
Nobody would ever have that in their house for any reason.
(03:22):
So it is relevant to the case, I guess. But
of course, the the the prosecution is trying to say
that that Cassie's a victim, but the defense is trying
to say that she although this is a very alternative lifestyle,
she was in on it. So I'm curious what's gonna
that's gonna start today, right, They're gonna be she's gonna
be examined by the defense.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, And I saw an interesting post going around on
Instagram yesterday that like all these people are just commenting
like why didn't she leave when there's literally a video
circulating of her trying to leave and getting dried back
and be in in the hallway. Like, I just don't
even know what people are thinking.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, and that's just like people who don't even have
means any kind of people aren't with famous people anything
or an abusive situation, and they don't leave.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
The weirdest part of this case, for I mean, there's
lots of weird to this case, but one of the
weirdest parts of this case is that she's going into
explicit detail of the sexual acts that she was doing
with Diddy and these male escorts and all this stuff,
and like his family's there. Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
His teenage children are in the room, and I'm sorry,
but like as like, where is their mother protecting them
from this? You know, It's it's really like, I understand
you want to be there and support your dad. But
this is just something that I think children should not
be privy to, even if they're adults. You want to
hear somebody give a play by play of how they
had sex with your dad in court and how an
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escort had peed in his in his significant other's mouth
at that time. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah. So she in her testimony, she said that she
so obviously she was taking drugs to get through all
of these crazy things that he wanted her to do.
And it started off with alcohol and then eventually it
got to her taking more serious drugs like opioids, and
she was taking ketamine and stuff. She said she was
taking these drugs so she could disassociate, which you would
(05:18):
want to because another crazy thing that came out was
that these freak offs what they're called, were going on
four days in a row, Like four days. Just think
about four days in your life of all the stuff
you do and spending time with your boyfriend, but also
just like complete strangers and the only thing you're doing
is like waking up and having sex and then like
(05:39):
going to sleep and staying in hotel rooms. It's so
freaking bizarre. It's just it's really weird. But so as
a result of taking opioids and things like that, not
only did she get an addiction that she had to
go to rehab for, but she had gi problems because
we know that that causes constipation. She said she had
mouth ulcers all the time, which is like, can happen
(06:00):
from repeated trauma to the mouth, like oral sex all
the time, people peeing in your mouth obviously, but also
just being under emotional stress can cause you to get
ulcerations in your mouth too. She was saying that she
had UTIs all the time, which obviously, like that would
happen if a woman is having sex all the time
and they're never talking about anything being done in a
(06:21):
clean fashion with like condoms or anything, so sexually transmitted
infections are always a risk as well. Like it's just
so crazy to hear that people actually live like this. Yeah,
and so now a new suit is coming forward where
this woman is saying that he raped her in two
thousand and one, and she's saying that the only silver
lining of the whole thing was that his penis apparently
(06:45):
was the size of a tutsi roll, so she at
least wasn't worried about it hurting, but it doesn't make
it any less traumatic that you were assaulted. Oh yeah,
there's gonna be I I'm like actually really interested to
see because I know a whole bunch of photos just
got released of like some of these parties and the
people there, and like all of these people are okay
(07:05):
with this. It's so weird, and there must be some
of them that are like shit in their pants that
this is gonna be really bad for them because they
have a lot of stuff that they're going to pull
out right now. So it's really interesting to me honestly. Yeah,
all right, but let's let's get on too, so we'll
keep you guys updated as more stuff comes on. But
(07:25):
we could talk about this all day, and there's like
other things to get to. So let's talk about Coberger
because I was scrolling through acts the other night and
just so happened to come across this newest picture that
got released with the date line show that this was
that was this weekend. You also could listen to the
dateline in a podcast form. I don't know if you
guys know that, so you don't have to sit there
(07:47):
and watch the show and it talks about the latest,
and of course they get the latest information and interviews
with people and some new information came out. So I
had said this tim and to our friend Lauren Conlin
and just been like, dude, this guy like I that
rarely happens to me. That I look at a person
(08:07):
that has that has killed people or is convicted or
accused of killing people, and been like scared that I
don't even want to look at the picture because the
guy looks so scary.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well yeah, I mean I think you've established that episodes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's like, do you not get that vibe when you
look at his picture?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Like, of course I do. He's scary as shit, but like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
No, I don't know why it affects me so much,
but I'm telling you, when he first got arrested, it's scared.
He scared me too. There's just like when you look
at him, you're like, I don't want to say he's guilty,
but like, come on.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well it just gets worse too, because that picture came
out of him giving the thumbs up, which like that
what was it the morning after the murders, which was
so scary, and then this new picture has come out
of him wearing a black hoodie. That's also very scary.
These crazy Google searches have come out. I mean, we
know this is all gonna come out. It's not like
this guy I just allegedly murdered these four people. And
(09:03):
then there's no other prior history of weird Google searches
or pictures on his phone. The weirdest pictures on his
phone were there were dozens of photos of University of
Idaho and Washington State female students wearing bathing suits. Some
of these people in the pictures were friends with the victims.
He also went, he probably got.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
All of them off of social media, all of them,
and then he went he got invited to this pool
party in Moscow a couple months before the murders and
then made dozens of trips there afterward. And then of
course his Google history was videos of Ted Bundy. He
was looking at Britney Spears song Criminal, I don't know which.
I was looking at the lyrics to that and it's
(09:41):
written and Mama, I'm in love with a criminal?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Is it? Like?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you think that he's like in love with Ted
Bundy or something like? What is that about?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I guess I never even considered that. Well, so as
like an extreme infatuation with him. So one of the
videos that he he had on his phone, I guess
or his computer of Ted Bundy, the photo that they
found of him, the one that I'm saying, like he
looks the most creepy yet where he's wearing a black hoodie.
Apparently that's exactly how Ted Bundy looked in that video,
(10:13):
like he was trying to look like him, which is
so weird. Oh, he was also looking up drugged or
sleeping porn. That's disturbing.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, So and that brings into a lot of question
of what his intentions were if he was in fact
the one that went in there, which all signs are
pointing to hell yes at this point. So did you
also see in that episode that Ethan Chapin, So he
was one of the boyfriends that just so happened to
be there. Like I think that he honestly, like my
(10:45):
opinion is is that he just walked in to do
a certain thing and like didn't expect there to be
other people around. What I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Clearly poorly planned or he just I mean, as far
as we know, he's never done anything like this before.
So if this is really the first act he's committing.
He clearly had a problem and it didn't go through
exactly as he planned.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So so Ethan Chapin apparently had carvings on his legs,
which like of what they didn't say. They just said
that his legs appeared to be carved. And I think
that we've heard this before of other people saying that
there was like gouging wounds caused by the knife. So
(11:27):
we're gonna hear a little bit more about how unusual
and bloody this crime scene was. I believe that he
likely now that you're seeing that he was like looking
up porn and stuff for drugged and sleeping, like maybe
that was some kind of fantasy that he was trying
to take out on one of the girls, and just
(11:49):
he thought he was going to commit this perfect crime
and honestly maybe didn't EXPERI he didn't expect to encounter
other people there and got into some kind of a
I mean, you have to think a bit like he's
stabbing for people. There had to be some kind of
a struggle at some point with when people, when one
of them realized what was going on, and maybe that's
(12:10):
when he dropped the knife sheath, And I just can't
help but think how lucky that is in some situation,
just because if he didn't drop that, I'm not quite
sure where we would be with this investigation right now.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well, yeah, I think as far as we know, this
was the first crime he's committed, and he just was
really unprepared. He was clearly not prepared for multiple people
to be in the house. I think with this information
of the porn, you could say he was trying to
sneak in the middle of the night to see I
don't know, do you think he was possibly trying to
drug one of them and then rape one of them
or I don't really know what the motive was, cause
(12:46):
we're going to find out during the trial.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I guess if the knife sheaf was never found, then
all this other stuff, he willn't even be a suspect
at this I don't know, and I'd love to hear
that douring court, like how else they would have gotten
to him. I know that there was the white Hondai
a Lantra, but there were so many people that had
those registered in order to put those two together. I'm
not sure that that ever would have happened. So I
(13:10):
think that maybe he wasn't as clean with his search history.
And there's also something else that came out to which
was apparently after the murders, he like went on Amazon
shortly thereafter and tried to order another one of those
knives and put it in the cart. But then this
is like so cool how they're able to do this
forensic investigation through the through our digital footprint, and so
(13:34):
they were able to see that he looked up the
same exact knife that was used in the murder, put
it in his cart, and then never checked out and
xed out of the box. Like that's how specific they
could get with the Amazon history. So what would be
the chance that these four students got murdered with this
k bar knife, this marine grade, military grade knife, and
(13:55):
then all of a sudden, that same exact day, the
guy who's the suspect was looking up the same as
act knife on Amazon. I really don't think people realize
how every single action you do is tracked online via text,
email everything. I mean, I'm going to get into this one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We cover Lori Valu Part three next week, because I
was sending you some of their like horrific sexting whatever,
but like you know, there was text between Laurie and
her brother where he set up the Wi Fi and
the password was too many kids. I mean, come on, oh, are.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
People doing well? We're going to talk about that a
little bit later in this episode two of us creeping
through people's Facebook accounts.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
All right, let's move on to this next story. So
this Australian influencer, Caitlin Bailey, she's facing a lot of
backlash after going to the United States first sex selective IVF.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So apparently, when you get IVF, you can do what's
called preimplantation genetic selection, which is when they are able
before they implant the embryos, they're able to determine ninety
five percent of the time if you decide that you
want to have a male or a female. And this
is an additional cost on top of IVF, which is
(15:08):
already expensive. But like, if you're paying forty thousand dollars
for it, what's another five thousand dollars right, like at
that point. But in Australia, this is is not legal.
They banned it, and I don't know with good reason.
I feel they say that since two thousand and four
it's been banned. It was necessary to prevent sex imbalances, sexism,
(15:34):
discriminatory stereotypes, and they said legitimizing sex selection is contrary
to our societal values and around diversity, equality and the
intrinsic worth of each individual and ethical concerns that related
to children being treated as products rather than just being
born for who they are and unconventionally loved.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I think it's ridiculous to travel to another country for it,
but I do agree. Like I noticed the article was
saying she spent forty five thousand dollars. Well, that's what
it costs if you if your health insurance doesn't cover it,
So that's.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Not like does it not cost anything in Australia.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I don't know, but like that in the United States,
that is what one IVF cycle costs. So like, I
don't know why that's such a shocking number.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So I do think shocking. I guess if you get
it for free in Australia.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, So I do agree in this case it's kind
of nuts to travel for it. But I think if
you were fully getting it done in a country where
the sex selection was allowed, and it's simply a matter
of one more test and you really do want a
gender like whatever, it's your choice. I'm really not. We've before,
we've reported on like people trying to get like specific
(16:47):
eye colors or hair color, like that is ridiculous and
you're just messing with too much. But if it's simply.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
We are with sex, you are with sex too. I mean,
I listen, I don't I personally like it. To me,
it's irrelevant because not that many people in the grand
scheme of things get IVF, So even if every single
person picked their gender, it's not going to really skew
like the balance of society that much. But I guess
as as it increases, I guess there's a possibility of that.
(17:17):
I mean, you could just you could go as far
as saying that with IVF in general, that you're that
you're doing something that you know, like there's there's no
line to be crossed, and if people want to do it,
like whatever, I don't give a shit. Honestly. The craziest
part of this story to me is that this woman
is on her fourth pregnancy and she's a single mom
(17:39):
by choice, so she's going to have four kids that
are really little by herself. I think that's the craziest
part of this entire story to me. Honestly, I don't know, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I see it as like IVF is already an unnatural process.
So if it's a matter of Walmart test, Like really,
who cares? I mean, for me, I think you should
be happy with just getting a healthy baby. Can we
just talk about, like what what is this? I think
she's like a little out of her mind to want
to have four kids to raise by herself.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But that's just me.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, yeah, I don't know people like doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah, I mean they don't can do whatever you want
to do. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I really just don't understand it, Like, please explain that
to me. I mean, I know somebody that did that
because she was never in a good relationship and she
was like, honestly, like I want a kid really bad,
and I don't want to have to go through another
bad relationship and split custody of her. Oh I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't care about that. If you choose to be
a parent as a single parent, I'm just saying, like
four kids, Like, I think you're nuts if you have
four kids, if you have like a really involved husband
or wife, Like I just think that it's nuts to
have four little kids like that. She just is she's
a very special person. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't know what I'm taking away from the story
is I do agree it was insane to travel to
get this done. And I think if you're going through
IVF you should just be happy getting a healthy baby
at the end of the day. But like, really, if
it's one more test away and like whatever, you could
do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
So she posted on our social media and like people,
I think that she was a little taken aback by
people blast in or for it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, listen, this is when you share your life. This
is what happens. We know there's trolls on the Internet,
and we know some people are going to be awesome
and some people are going to be assholes. So if
you decide to share something personal, you need to expect
you're not going to get their spons you're always looking
for and that's just the state of the Internet. It's
really nothing to do with what she did with iv
if it's how everybody is with everything. This episode is
(19:39):
brought to you by The Gross Room.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So we told you that we've been doing this three
part high profile death dis section on Laurie Vallo and
Chad Day bell. This one in particular that we posted
this week has the autopsies of four of the main victims.
I should say in this case. We also really get
into in this particular post about the death investigation in
(20:01):
this country and how they really could have got away
with murder if they didn't get greedy, honestly, which is
disturbing because then you think, well, like, who else is
getting away with this that we don't even know about?
Yesterday we have anue what is it? Wednesday? I told
you guys that I post four photos and three of
the photos show different kinds of wounds and injuries and
(20:22):
you have to decide what caused it. And then one
of them is a special effects makeup and is fake.
And some of the special effects makeup are so good
it's really hard to tell if they're fake or not.
So those people get like mad respect from me, honestly,
especially because they don't work in this field. It's like,
it's really cool that they that they know how to
make an injury look so real. We also have a
(20:44):
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Speaker 1 (21:00):
All right, so this week we have a couple freak accents.
There was actually a ton of freak accidents, but we
picked a couple that stand out the most.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, first, we have this guy who is in his
fifties who is killed well sparring with a kangaroo at
a petting zoo in South Carolina.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So yeah, this was his brother's petting zoo, and he
was known for going in there and like trying to
fight the kangaroo, like thinking that that was funny, and
then all of a sudden, that kangaroo took out a
cann of whoop ass and killed this dude. Like they
have really they have claws, they can make deep cuts,
they have powerful kicks, and the guy had evidence of
blunt trauma all over his body. So this thing like
(21:37):
kicked this guy's ass. And kangaroos don't usually attack people
unless they feel threatened, and there's just absolutely no reason
a person should be like like tormenting an animal like that.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, And I was of course watching some videos of
kangaroo attacks and they stand up when they're fighting and
they can be anywhere on average from five to six
feet tall, or some have been recorded as being eight
feet tall.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, it's like getting in a fight with a strong dude,
like you're gonna you're gonna get beat up any any
did because the kicks are so bad. Yeah, they're They're
definitely more powerful. So I mean, what's the saying play
stupid games, win stupid prizes?
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like, yes, a lot of people in the gross room
lately have been saying like there should just be a
category called like fuck around find out.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
That literally, like that's that's what happened here. This next
one didn't really cause much injury, but it's kind of
funny story that's very relatable.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, in Ohio, this woman crashed her card trying to
get a spider and she ended up breaking her wrist.
So I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
How many times does that happen? Like mine is like spiders,
I don't care about Mine's like a mosquito, Like I
just do not want to get bit by a mosquito.
And if I see one, I'm like freaking out so bad.
And you definitely could see how this could happen.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, spiders, I'm not necessarily bothered by In the car
but flying bugs for sure, because I'm like, I just
don't want to touch in my face. I mean, thankfully
I've never had like a be trapped in the car
or anything like that. I feel like I would crash
if there is a bee in the car.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But I really, I really rather get sung by bait
than a mosquito. I know that that sounds so ridiculous,
but like, I rather feel pain than that annoying itch.
It's just I hate that feeling so bad.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
There's no itch worse than the noseums that stays on
me for like three weeks, so unbearable. Oh they are
those ones in Florida that like bite your ankles or whatever. Yeah,
but they hit my ankles and my wrists and it's
so unbearable, Like I can't even sleep. I'm putting the
cream all over. It's not doing anything. It's horrible. Like
that's a personal form of torture for.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Me, it it is, That's what I'm saying, Like, I
don't I would rather feel pain than itch any day.
I'm telling you, Like, remember when I had that polymorphic
light eruption rash from the sun that I get in
the summer. I get around like this time of year
in the summer with the first bright sunlight. It's like
torture to be itchy and not being especially if you
(24:01):
take like banadoline and creams and stuff and it doesn't
make it go away. It's like absolute torture.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean, lots of people and naked and afraid
just end up quitting because the bugs are so bad.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Like those no sam bugs. They I wonder if you
just have an allergy to them or something because it
because it does everyone get that reaction to them. There's
no way because a lot of people. I feel like
people wouldn't live there and stuff if it was like that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
It must not affect everybody. I mean, it doesn't affect
when we go down there, Like Ricky doesn't have a problem, right,
but like it ruins my life for three weeks. And
that's like I'm active about putting the bugspray and whatever
on and it just doesn't matter. And it's torturous. Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So we talked about back in January of twenty twenty
four a hot air balloon tragedy that killed four people,
and now we have another one this week that came
with a viral video that just looks nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, This happened at some hot air balloon festival in Mexico.
But basically it burst into flames right before it took off,
and then it seems like there was three people on
it initially and the operator was able to get two
people off, but he wasn't able to get off before
it lifted into the air, and then he ended up
jumping to his death.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's on fire, Like, it's just so crazy to see that.
So that's your choice. Either you could be up there
and burn to death or try to jump and get
away from it and hope you survive. Like that's your
choice right there. No, it's horrible. It's just sad to
be on the ground and watch a human suffering like
that when you have absolutely no way of helping them
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and knowing that they're just trying to make some split
second choice. I mean, what's the choice, Like, you just
know you're gonna die either way. I think he made
the right one. At least he would have had a
chance to survive. And like, who wants to burn to death?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
One? Right?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, but yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean nobody wants to fall to death either, But
I just think burning to death would just be even
I don't know. It seems like it's one of the
worst things ever.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
But how are you possibly getting rescued from that? It's
such a.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
We're not You're not like listen. I hate those things.
I think they're the coolest looking things ever. I really.
We saw some of them on our trip actually while
we were driving, and I think they're so beautiful, Like
they're just the coolest looking things on the world. I
would just never ever go on one. I think they're
you're just like asking for it. I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I guess the zoo doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Right, But the zoo was attached to the ground. There
was like nothing, there was nothing like dangerous about it.
It was like it was like a low grade ride.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I was like, if that rope snaps, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It for Oh stop it. I don't even know if
it like could function if the rope snapped. I think
it was. It was like a ride at like the
little kids go on at the zoo.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Really, I think things operated in like ten years.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't it's it's not there, no, because you used
to see it, like when you were driving on seventy six,
you would see it up in the air. But now
you don't see it anymore.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Another I didn't car crash? Has six seen the balloon ride?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh my god. All right, so this case that we're
going to talk about next is local to us. This
just happened like a day or two ago, so there's
not a ton of information. But the advantage of these
people not being high profile is that sometimes people have
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Facebook accounts and they get arrested and their Facebook accounts
don't get scrubbed, so people like Maria and I could
go through and creep on them and find out all
this information about them before law enforcement even comes in
and gets rid of their social media or whatever, and
it makes it even more disturbing to learn about these people.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, So basically what happened last week was that this
teenager escaped her house with the help of a neighbor
and told police that she had been abused since twenty
and eighteen by I guess her mom and her stepfather,
because I mean both of them had to be in
on it because they're both living in the house. But
the abuse was since she was in sixth grade, so
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the mother ended up removing her from school and made
her live in a dog create for a year. And
would only let her out occasionally. Then she was forced
to live in a bathroom and chained up, and then
eventually they moved her into an empty room with an
alarm system that would let them know if she moved
or got out.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah. So, when obviously she went to the neighbor, police
shows up at the house and they find that this
does indeed to be true, like they see all evidence
of what the daughter was telling them, and then they
found another kid in there that was thirteen years old
who was also being homeschooled. So that's when the plot thickens,
(28:41):
because when we start looking at these two social media accounts,
you're just like, you don't even understand, like how this
is going on and how this happened.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah. So I was talking to my friend Rachel about
it this morning because she lives in that area and
she grew up around there, and she sent me one
of the guys or the stepfather's Facebook page, and I
start looking through it and it just starts getting even
more confusing. It seems like these people have been together
for at least ten years, maybe more. These two children,
the eighteen year old who escaped and the thirteen year
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old who has removed from the home, were from a
previous relationship. Then the two of them had twins in
seemingly twenty nineteen, So where were the twins when they
were going through the house. I'm really confused about that.
And then there was just all these really bizarre posts
about the children and their family, and they had all
these dogs, and then the mom's Facebook page said rip
(29:33):
Juliana's twelve four, fifteen twelve, twenty eight nineteen, and we're like,
was this another child? Was it a dog? Like? What
is going on?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
So on his Facebook account he hasn't posted for a
while since twenty and twenty one, it looks like so
there's that. But on his Facebook account back in twenty
and twenty, there's lots of posts in a row that
say things like should a husband defend his wife against
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insults from his family? This other one says this was
from twenty twenty, hating on me because my wife is
white and has two kids from a previous relationship. So
he's black and the wife is white, making me choose
between you and them. They are my only family now
and you will never see us again. You know who
you are. Stop trying to talk to me. No means no,
(30:25):
it took me years to see how racist you are,
and now I'm free of your negativity. Peace out. So
clearly there was an issue with his family and the
new wife and the kids and all that stuff. But
this was in twenty twenty, and this child is saying
that she was held started being held two years prior
to this post was even made. As Maria said, in
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twenty and nineteen, he made a post saying that his
wife had twin daughters and said how great she was.
She takes care of all four kids and the house
and dogs. So, like we were saying there was two
kids found, where are these other two kids that are
about five or six years old at this point, right, like,
where are they? Didn't hear anything about that in the news,
(31:10):
and it doesn't seem like he has a relationship with
his family, so like, where are these kids? We have
no idea right now. So in January twenty and twenty one,
he posted another ultrasound picture which had Brenda Moseley written
on the film, and it looks like it's a singleton pregnancy,
so there's only one baby there, so like, what ultrasound
is that? And where is that kid? Like, yeah, it
(31:33):
so so then you go on Brenda's Facebook page, which
looks like she created in two thousand and nine, but
she only has posts going back to twenty and twenty three. Well,
I think sometimes just based on your settings, that's why
not all of them are there. Like I think if
you were friends with her, all of her stuff would appear,
but publicly only this five peers, so there might be
(31:55):
some in between, but we just can't see them. So
it for whatever I could see all the way back
to twenty twenty three, there is absolutely no evidence that
she has children. All I see is her like posting
that she's she does dog shows with this great day
and that she has right. She just posted on May tenth,
which was only five days ago, she posted a picture
(32:18):
on her Facebook of her dog named jelly Roll, who
won this Best and Show award at the Lancaster Kennel Club.
Like fifty comments underneath from people like oh my god,
we're so proud of you, congrats, this, that and the other.
It's so weird. And she's wearing the dress in that
picture that she's wearing in her mugshot. She looks like
a totally like no, I hate to say this, but
(32:41):
she just looks like a normal lady.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That's like, so she posted that on May tenth, because
the kid escaped on May eighth. Yeah, I don't know,
it looks like it was posted on May tenth. This
just doesn't make any sense. I mean when you look
at their Facebook page, beyond their like posts and stuff, like,
they look like letely normal people. Like I don't know.
(33:03):
I just.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Works for sept It. He's a he's an engineer for
the train like he so he works with a bunch
of people that knows him too. Which is which question?
Like this is what I question? Like you know all
these people that they do these dog shows, they have
all these people in their life that know them, and
like nobody is questioning where their children are. It's just
(33:25):
it's so outrageous to me, like four kids, Like where
are four kids? I don't understand? And these this guy's
going to work at Accepta every day and coming home
and just like treating a child like in a dog
cage and sexually abusing them and stuff I don't understand.
Like we're just talking about this now because we know
absolutely nothing at this point, but like, well we'll keep
(33:48):
you updated. It's just like looking through the Facebook and stuff.
You just you can't even understand how a mom And
I understand that some people don't want to post their
kids on social media and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
But they have pictures of the twins.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah they put Yeah. And another thing is when I
scrolled way back on the dads, it was a lot
of like this public affection, which you always have to
be uh, you always have to be like suspicious of
when like a couple's just like my husband's the best, Yes,
he is the best. He just treats me so good.
It's like it's really like a weird way of being
(34:23):
all the time, Like our relationship is so great. It's
just so great.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You're like, eh, you know that to me is like
kind of skeptical there too. So I don't know, Like
I don't know if she met this guy and then
like decided that she didn't want nothing to do with
her kids because the family didn't want anything to do
with the kids or whatever. I don't know what happened,
but like something really bad happened. And we just had
a story last week about kids that were remember the
(34:48):
story of the little kids that were kept inside of
their house since COVID yeah, okay, they were also being homeschooled,
you know. And it's like I homeschooled my kids in
the state of New Jersey years ago, right when up
until Lillian was in third grade, and honestly, like I
got to tell you, the walls are kind of crazy
and I can't believe it. Like I just had to
(35:09):
pull I had to send a letter to the principal
when she was in kindergarten and just say, my daughter
is not coming back to school. I'm homeschooling her. And
that was the end of it. Like nobody ever checked
to see if I was teaching her anything.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I believe I was saying that on that episode that
there needs to be check ins, like I'm sorry, I
know it could be invasive or whatever, but if you're
not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't have a problem with
somebody checking in on you every couple weeks. Well, I
don't think that people should come to your house and
check on you. That's ridiculous, that's total. You don't need
to come to your not that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
But just I'm more concerned with the check ins of
because in the state of Pennsylvania, for exactly, for example,
like you have to prove that your kids are learning
age appropriate material and meeting certain landmarks. And that's all
I'm saying, Like I think that there should be that
because just having that kind of a check in would
know that at least that there's some I guess someone
(36:00):
that's that's educating this kid and they're meeting certain milestones
for the education portion of it. You don't want to
get into a situation where the government's coming to your
house and checking on you and your kids. That's like
really really bad. But like the thing is is that
these kids are homeschooled. No, and there's no documentation anywhere.
(36:21):
Like my local town doesn't even know that I ever
put my kids back in school. It's like they just
completely fell off the radar. And you're going to have
people like I was always okay, like I want to
give my kids more of an education that they would
ever get at school, But like there's people that are
just like letting their kids sit on the phone all
day and not do anything, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, yeah, and this is the problem because a lot
of people use it to disguise abuse. Yeah, so so
we're there, that's where we're at right now with this,
And like I said January twenty twenty one, there was
a fetus in an ultrasound picture, so like there's potentially
a fifth kid too. We don't even know, Like there's
no comments under the picture.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It's just it's so bizarre. Soies might not be able
to see them because you're yeah, friends with that's true.
So it's interesting though, because all of these people she
must have like dog show friends, and all of them
are like congrats, congrats, And then all of a sudden,
at the end of the all of the posts, the
first couple ones, there's like links to this article, and
it's just like.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Is this you?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Oh my god, this is like they're shocked, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Well, yeah, obviously, all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Right, our final story is really really upsetting, and it's
kind of an upsetting topic for people, but we have
to talk about it because it's it's just such a
unique case.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, this thirty year old mom was nine weeks pregnant.
She started suddenly developing these intense headaches back in February,
so I guess at first she went to go seek
treatment and they gave her meds at the hospital, but
they didn't do any tests. They sent her home and
then the next day, she ended up gasping for air
and it turns out she had blood clots in her brain.
So now she's been declared brain dead. But because she
(38:00):
was nine months or nine weeks pregnant and due to
an abortion band in Georgia, her family is being forced
to keep her alive. So she's thirty years old and
she's also a nurse, so we have to add that.
And she went to the hospital because she was like,
this headache is a little bit worse than it should be,
and I'm gonna go get.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
This checked out. I don't know what happened there, but like,
oh shocker, Like a woman goes and gets medical treatment,
it gets blown off as it being something stupid, like okay, right,
But then she probably had a hemorrhagic stroke or something.
She might have had a ruptured aneurysm. Whatever happened, she
was from all accounts, brain dead. Brought in they were
(38:38):
going to do surgery and they were just like, no,
she's lost too much oxygen. She's brain dead. So not
only she brain dead, but there's a high probability that
the fetus that's only nine weeks developing in her also
has problems due to this lack of oxygen that we
don't even know yet until the kid's born. Okay, so
that's another thing to keep in mind. But she's so
(39:01):
she's not making any choice to abort this baby or not.
Like she's dead. So now they're saying, oh, because the
rule says that you're not allowed to get an abortion
after six weeks. They said, accept in the case of
a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy. The state's determined
that a medical emergency is defined as a condition in
(39:21):
which an abortion is necessary in order to prevent the
death of a woman or substantial or irreversible physical impairment
of a major bodily function. And a pregnant woman, well,
since she's dead, they're like, Okay, well we don't need
to abort the baby because her life is not in
danger anymore, because her life is over. So they've been
(39:42):
keeping her alive on machines for ninety days. Now, she's
twenty one weeks pregnant. Okay, now think about this from
her mother's perspective. Okay, her thirty year old daughter is dead,
she has a she's pregnant with her grandson. She has
another son who now she has to have a hand
(40:04):
in raising because the mother's dead and so she's mourning
the loss of her daughter and everything else, but her
daughter is still alive, so she has to go visit
her at the hospital on these machines. And they said
that they're going to keep this fetus inside her until
she's thirty two weeks and then take the baby out
because that's when they determined that the fetus could live
(40:24):
on its own. So they're taking out a baby severely
premature that might already have underlying issues because of the
lack of oxygen the mother experience when she died. And
they're not even giving this grandmother a choice of like
if she wants to do this, And it's like it's
just so weird because she's an old lady. She you know,
(40:46):
she's a grandmom. She she might not want to take
care of a special needs any baby, let alone a
special needs baby. And this is kind of being induced
on her against her will. And she had not to
do with the choice of any of this. This is daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Is there a possibility in the next eleven weeks that
they're gonna try to keep her body? Like, is there
a possibility she could completely die in the next eleven
weeks or that's not the way they have it said.
If they have it set up that she's getting her
if she's on life support, then no, I mean I
don't think so, like she could stay alive for a
(41:23):
very long time on a machine like that like that,
that's not that's not happening. I mean, this baby has
already grown to twenty one weeks and it's I don't know,
Like the grandmom has even said, I don't know what
I would choose, but I don't like that I don't
have a choice because really this pregnancy was not her
(41:44):
choice at all. Now this the woman that is now,
I don't know, because I didn't see anything about this
in the article actually, which is interesting because the father
technically still has a right to this baby, and she
was with the father actively, they were in a relationship,
So if he is pushing for her to stay alive
(42:04):
on the machines so he could take his child, that's
a little bit of a different story. But they're they're
not married, but they're not married, and her legal Mexican
is her mother her children obviously, but they're two her sons,
I think six years old, so her legal Mexican's her mother,
(42:24):
who should be able to make the decisions.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
It's such a weird it's just a weird case. And
like doctors are scared shitless to do anything that because
like if the law says it's the only way you're
allowed to do the abortion is to prevent the death
of a woman, then like if they do the abortion,
they're breaking the law. They could lose their medical license,
So that's why they're scared. I personally don't understand why
(42:49):
they can't just transfer her body to another hospital in
a state that just would be okay with it or whatever.
I don't know all the ins and outs of that,
And obviously that costs money too, and maybe the family
just doesn't have money for that. But I just don't
think that this is cool at all that this and
and listen, like I'm usually like not, I'm not. I've
(43:11):
said this multiple times on this program. Like I'm not
a huge like pro abortion person. I think that it's
necessary in some cases, this being one of them, but
I think it's definitely way overdone for sure. But in
this particular case, this grandmom should not have to become
the parent of this child that potentially might have a
brain injury. And and and another mouth to feed, Like
(43:33):
it's it's just because because like let's say they take
the baby out of thirty two weeks, Well, who are
they given it to? You know, Like I think this
whole thing is so ridiculous and they should be making
an exception for this because they keep being like, well,
she's in a gray area. Well, to me, this is
this should be under the umbrella of a medical emergency
that it's allowed. I mean, it's ridiculous this law is
(43:54):
even in an effect to begin with.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
But like if it's happening, and it's and you can't
get rid of it for a while, then why can't
this be deemed the medical emergency? I mean, this is
so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
It it's actually ridiculous. Like when you when you listen
to it, and and and like this poor mom, like
she's getting an interview in People magazine and that's great,
Like they can't have some kind of emergency meeting to
figure out this for her. I mean, like it's it's
just so it's so gross. And then you hear about
these cases and you're just like, why does everybody have
to be so extreme on either side, like just be
(44:27):
reasonable and normal and like it's just like everything everything
has to be like all one way or all another
way instead of just being like in the middle zone
that would work for most people. It's it, it's so weird.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, it's like we're just no longer making like human choices, right,
Like we were talking about this when that girl fainted
on air, Like instead of just being a human and
helping her out, you're like, the show must go on.
I I don't know what to do with my appearance
if like I get out of my seat, Like, who
gives a shit somebody passed out? Just make good ethical decisions?
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, I feel I don't know. It's just this case
really upset. It just upsets me so bad just thinking
about it. And like I said, like the dad, there
might be more to the story, because if the dad
wants the baby alive, that's all that's all I could say,
and then that would thicken the plot a little bit.
But I don't know what's going on, and I understand,
(45:21):
like I don't know. It's just a very difficult thing
because like technically that baby wouldn't be alive if they
weren't keeping the woman alive. She's not naturally alive, like
she's alive because she's on a machine.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Well, she wasn't thirty eight weeks pregnant when the thing happened,
like she was very early.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, So I don't know. It's just like it almost
seems like some weird experiment that they're trying to do
to see. Like, I don't know, I just don't like it.
I don't like any of it. It's not cool.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Well, on that note, thank you guys so much for
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Speaker 1 (46:12):
Weekend, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor, and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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