Today, we talk all about hospital nightmares! We get into a biopsy mixup that led to an unnecessary hysterectomy, acid inserted during a rhinoplasty, a surgeon who sewed a patient’s organs together, a woman disfigured after she was confused for another patient, and a man dressed as the Grim Reaper scaring patients.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to talk about multiple medical malpractice cases and
an unwanted visitor that nobody wants to see at the hospital.
All that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I feel this is going to be one of the
most outrageous episodes we've ever done. That you guys are
just not even gonna believe these stories we have, and
they're all from the last week or two just insane.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, Well, let's start off with the first one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
All right. So first in Georgia, a woman found out
who was misdiagnosed with cancer and had an unnecessary hysterectomy
after a biopsy mix up.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
All right, so this is actually something that would have
happened in the pathology department. So let's start off first
by saying what happened. This woman's forty three years old.
She went to Kaiser Permanente Medical Center for heavy bleeding
and uterine fibroids.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So I was in January twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
January twenty twenty five, So they decided because she was
having this issue that they wanted to do an endometrial biopsy.
So that's when they go in to the uterus with
a scope and they either do a cure tage and
like scrape it out, or they just take pieces of
(01:40):
it to look at under the microscope to see what's
going on. So the tissue comes back and says that
she has high grade endometrial cancer, and which is like
a huge deal to be told that you have uterine cancer,
so they say, and she was freaking out. She said
that she even was like planning funeral with her sons
(02:01):
and everything. She's only forty three years old. So she
gets scheduled to get treatment for high grade endometrial cancer,
which is a total hysterectomy and removal of pelvic lymph nodes.
So she gets the surgery, it goes down the pathology,
they examine the whole entire thing, and she literally doesn't
(02:22):
have cancer at all, like in any of our organs,
her lymph nodes, nothing, So what could happen in that case?
I think that the next step would be because sometimes
if you do an endometrial curetage and the endometrial cancer
is very like superficial, you could almost like scrape it
(02:44):
out all the way, so you might not see evidence
of it in the hysterectomy, So that would be one
thing that they would look into to see if that
was it, But they could tell from the biopsy as
well if it was a superficial thing or not. The
next thing they could do is that they take the
paraffin block of tissue that we make so when we
(03:06):
when we when the initial biopsy was done, those pieces
of tissue get embedded in paraffin to make the microscope slides.
Those blocks are saved for years aside. So they went
back to the case and they pulled out that block
and they were able to do DNA on it and
saw that it actually wasn't her tissue.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, that's what I was gonna ask you. If it
was a matter of it was miss read by the
pathologists looking under the microscope, if they they didn't read
it correctly and misdiagnosed her, or if it was genuinely
switched up with another person's sample, So what happens to
the other person, Like that they found the other person
in this case who they switched it up with, because
(03:48):
so my understanding is that another person is living with
an aggressive form of cancer.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, so the mix up now we've had Listen, I
worked in the lab forever, Like, there's mix ups happen
all different kinds of ways, and it happens. It could
happen in the operating room that they put the wrong
labels on the wrong specimens. It could happen in pathology
lab that they put the wrong labels on the specimens.
And it could just happen when the right labels are
(04:15):
on the right specimens and the person just grabs the
wrong container. Like the unfortunate part about dealing with humans
is that humans are humans sometimes and humans make mistakes.
So there's been plenty of times that there's been biopsy
switch ups and unfortunate. This is just like a super
unfortunate situation. So the biopsy, the switch up happened, however
(04:40):
it happened, she got this surgery. So I guess the
way that they're going to track down the other patient
now is that they're going to go back to all
of the cases that were done within those couple of
day period to see what other endometrial biopsies were done,
and then they could kind of narrow it down by that.
(05:00):
There's not like hundred I mean, this is better than
being a GI biopsy because there's so many of them
every day. There's not hundreds of endometral biopsies done today,
So I would say in a couple span period, there
might be like I don't know the size of their lab,
but there might be like ten cases that they could
(05:20):
figure out who it is. And now they're going to
have to really contact all those patients do DNA testing
to figure out which one because if hers was switched
with someone else, if they could figure out the one
that has her actual tissue in it, then they might
likely be able to figure out the patient that has
the cancer. But this when was her surgery done? So
(05:44):
last year around this time last year, so it's been
a whole entire year since they figured this out. But really,
if she had the biopsy in January, so did the
other lady, and now you have May she had the surgery.
Think end of May June is when they figured out
the problem. So you have six whole months that a
(06:05):
person had cancer in their body, high grade and the
mutual cancer in their body. Now, this is my kind
of questions with the case, when maybe it should have
been questioned a little bit because she was forty three
years old, and they're telling her doctor that she has
a high grade and the mutual cancer. It's not that
(06:26):
it's never happened before, but it's very unlikely to happen
in a forty three year old person. This is a
diagnosis that comes after menopause usually, so usually a woman
like old like let's say momm's age, right, she can't
happen to her, she doesn't have a uterus. But just
(06:48):
say someone that's older like her, hasn't had her period
in ten years, twenty years, all of a sudden she
starts bleeding. That's when she will go to the doctor
and find out she has eny mutual cancer. Because it's
like it's postmenopausal bleeding is like a huge concern. You
shouldn't be bleeding after you're done menopause, right, so, and
a lot of it has to do with like the
(07:10):
hormones at forty three years old, like you're perry menopausal
at forty three years old. But she was having heavy
bleeding because she was having fibroids and other issues with
her uterus, like she could have had polyps or something
like that. Whatever. Now, the thing is is that when
the gynecologist gets back these results and finds out that
(07:33):
she has cancer. I mean, that's all they could go
off of. I don't know if a doctor would question
and be like, let's try to do some further work up,
because it's a little weird that you have this at
this age.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But based on this article, it looks like she had
a ct scan after the biopsy, which they're claiming showed
no signs of cancer. And then after that scan she
was referred to another doctor who then recommended the fullest directomy.
So wouldn't you question it if the CTC wasn't showing anything.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't know, because the thing is is that, like
I was saying before, since she's young, like because there
have been forty three year old people diagnosed with the
end of mutual cancer in the past, So like if
they were able to like superficially scrape it off, like
they could have caught it in the very early stages
when it was very early, and the treatment would still
(08:21):
be hysterectomy because you want to just get the organ out.
You don't need the organ anymore if you're not having kids,
get it out because it's gonna come back just because
you scraped it off. Doesn't mean it's not going to
come back, right, So I understand why it was recommended.
And the thing is is that if you get a
c T scan and you had a really superficial thing,
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you're not going to see like what you would think
of as like a huge tumor. So I guess that's
I mean, like the guynocologist's hands are kind of tied
because like all they could do is like based upon
like what they think her tissue is showing, Like they
don't think there's a switch. So in that particular case,
(09:03):
like honestly, this is gonna sound really messed up to say,
but aside from the fact that this woman was scared
to death that she had cancer for a moment and
had a surgery that she didn't really need, she kind
of is like making out in this deal because she
she had this abnormal bleeding and she had fibroids and
(09:27):
this problem, and she possibly could have got a hysterectomy
anyway because of the bleeding problem. Because when you're forty three,
assuming she was done having kids, like like my mom
had it done, our friend had it done. Like heavy
bleeding is kind of like, Okay, I don't want to
(09:48):
deal with this anymore, like I'm gonna get a hysterectomy done.
Normally in those cases they wouldn't take out your ovaries
and put you into early menopause. So she's in early menopause,
but she's also like forty three and was gonna go
into it anyway. And I mean she did get lymph
notes taken out, so she could have problems with draining
her lymph notes and stuff. However, like overall, because she's
(10:11):
going to become like a multi millionaire out of this,
which she should rightfully like she's it's kind of a
win for her. It's a real loss for the other person.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But yes, but at the same time, it's something that
like against your will kind of because you're it's misrepresented
what needs to be done. And also it's that she's
only seeking ten thousand dollars in damages and a jury
try out. Now, no, no, this is the million dollar worthy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well that this is what I was going to say too.
So there's there's a big thing with metalic mel practice
for the most part that when you go to get
money from a jury. We've talked about these cases before
of people like God that awful one. We were talking
about recently with the ovarian cyst that was supposed to
be removed and they removed her bladder. That woman could
(10:56):
prove that her life is drastic changed and and sucks
now because of what they did to her. And that's
why she's eligible for millions of dollars. This woman, she like,
going into early menopause is not anything to be taken
lightly per se, because now you have to be on hormones,
(11:20):
and we know how that goes. The draining in her
legs from the pelvic lymph of removal, assuming that they
took out enough to cause her problems, could be a
lifelong problem too. But overall she's she's not really I mean,
aside from like getting surgery and if she had any
complications and healing and taking off of work and all
(11:42):
this kind of stuff that she had to do and
just being emotionally traumatized thinking that she had cancer, she's
not really like gonna have lifelong complications from this, which
is why I'm saying like, overall, she's making out. But
I think that someone needs to talk to her and
say that she could. I feel like this is more
(12:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They also must have proved that the mix up happened
on the hospital level because Quest did the initial biopsy.
It was sent out the Quest to do the initial
biopsy testing. And she's not going after them, She's just
going after the hospital system in the lawsuits. So they
must have figured out that it happened on that level,
the switch up.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I thought they yeah, and they did say did they
say it was in pathology. They said that Quest did
it says a pathol it set a pathology mix up,
but that could be And this is what this is
what I've seen working in surgical pathology multiple times at
multiple different hospitals and even in rotations. I don't know
(12:47):
what happens in the oor. I've never been there, but
they print labels out right, So they'll print like five
labels out for a person that they're working on, and
like one goes on the paperwork, and one goes on
the specimen container, and one goes here, and one goes there,
and then maybe they're not all taken off the printer
or it prints again or something, and then the next
(13:08):
patience is printed and then all of a sudden, like
it gets switched and they put the wrong sticker on
the wrong thing. I mean, we catch it we catch it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It does.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I wouldn't say it happens every day, It happens more
often than it probably should.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Need an a type person such as myself wearing the
label system because if you don't and somebody's not doing
the checks.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But it's hard, yeah, Like it's hard for us because
especially like if we have two specimen containers and they
both have the same kind of end of mutual biopsy
and the mutual biopsy even under the microscope. Because we've
had this happen too where there's been a mix up
with GI biopsies, right, but like the labels get switched.
(13:55):
One of them is on like an esophagus biopsy, one
of them is on a colon biopsy. Well, once the
PETHOD just looks at that under the microscope, they could
say there's a mix up here because they could tell
the difference between esophagus and colon under the microscope. So
it's very easy to be like something got switched. Yeah,
and then we could backtrack it and figure it out
very quickly. But like in this case, when it's in
a mutual biopsy and a mutual biopsy, you don't know
(14:18):
that they got switched. And I guarantee that they the
that the person that does have the cancer is is
somebody that's like over sixty years old that you understand,
is that.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Person even alive anymore to know like did they even
catch it in another way on that person or did
they tell that person they were free and clear?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh, they totally probably told that person that they were
free and clear, because and see we can know from
now looking at for having the uterus, like like let's
say in pathology, they have her uterus, they could see
if what condition was causing her to have the bleeding.
(14:58):
So it it is possible that when she had the
initial endomeutrobiobsy she had like a polyp or something because
that causes bleeding. They could find like adnomiosis or something
like that, which is endometriosis like in the wall. So
there probably was some and she had fibroids too. There
probably was some explanation as to why she was bleeding,
but it just wasn't cancer.
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soaked caause was accidentally inserted in her nose during a
routine rhinoplast surgery.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So we've talked about this happening within the past couple
of years. When remember that case that we were talking
about when the at the was it an IVF place
or when they were doing some kind of a.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yes, it was very close to us. They were doing
the saline procedure where they put saline into your Philippian
tubes to see if there's any blockage, and they accidentally
inserted acid into the woman's Philippian tubes, which was absolute nightmare.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So it's trichloroacetic acid, which in a g So in
the case that Marie is talking about, we have that
case in the grocerym too, with actual photographs because it
was written up in a paper. It's called the name
of the post is called acidic douche. And that was
like a play on words to the person that did
(18:38):
this too. By the way, So that's usually in a
gyn office because that will be used to almost like
do testing and treatment on like genital warts. It's like
acid to burn, right, it should be labeled in a
completely separate container that's nowhere near but they're both clear liquids.
(19:01):
So that's exactly what happened, and in that particular case,
it was just awful, just like imagine flushing acid through
your body.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Is the name of the procedure.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I could not remember the same thing happened with this
this this woman who was getting she was just getting
a nose job, and they put the they soak the
gauze in the same as act acid and stuck it
in her nose. It's pretty so it really is unbelievable,
and it's I mean, we're I feel like, especially working
(19:36):
in the lab my entire life. It's just like we're
very hardcore about labeling stuff. What day it was open,
what day you know it expires, It's labeled correctly, and
there's even protocols in place to like not keep certain
things next to each other. And that's just in the lab.
Like I can't even imagine when you're actually taking care
(19:56):
of patients that that these things are going inside their
that there's not just like specific protocols as to where
they should be stored. Did it say why there was
this acid was in I don't even know why the
acid would be in the ther anyway, as far as
(20:17):
when if we're talking about if they're doing cosmetic surgeries
for no jobs and stuff, but like who knows, Like
it could just be one of these our rooms that
does multiple different kinds of procedures, so I'm not sure
what else it would be used.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It didn't say. But also when we covered the salience
diagram story, we had people writing in that worked in
that worked at other offices of that same nature that
did those procedures and said that the acid should never
even kind of be in the same room where those
are done, so these mix ups don't happen. So I
don't know if it was a case like this or
it was mislabeled or whatever, but it didn't clarify. But basically,
(20:54):
this patient inhaled it, which caused chemical burns to her
respiratory tract, and then due to that, she had to
undergo this emergency surgery and now she is in stable condition.
So imagine you're just going in for a nose job
and then you end up having this other serious issue
happened that wasn't even supposed to because of the negligence
going on in the room. Oh my god, all right,
(21:16):
this is truly unbelievable. A surgeon has been fired after
he accidentally sowed his patient's organs together, forming a closed
loop and preventing the patient from pooping.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So I really dug deep into this case to figure
out how the hell this happened, but I guess it
was the patient had some kind of a small bowl tumor. Okay,
so normally what they'll do is they take the segment,
you know, they take the tumborrount, and the segment a
bell around it. So think about if you have like
(21:51):
a hose, you're gonna cut the center of the hose
out and then you have to kind of like reattach
the hose so it works again, right, So that's what
they do in this particular surgery. So what happened was
that they cut out the segment of the small bell,
(22:12):
which is the small bough comes right off of the stomach.
They cut out a little segment in between the small bell,
and instead of attaching the two ends together to form
you know, the hose again, they closed off the one end.
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So when the stomach emptied, it just went into a
blind pouch and it wasn't able to get to the
other side of the bell because it was sewed and
the other end was just not closed at all. I
don't I don't know if he was like distracted or
(22:52):
I don't. I don't understand like how this even happened
if there were people in the room regardless this person.
So now this person, you know, heals from surgery, starts
eating again and stuff. So they have mouth, esophagus, stomach
(23:14):
and then like a little bit of a segment of
small bell and then it's staple shut. So like every
single thing that they put in their mouth is not
able to get to their rectum and through their anus
and like out of their body. So this person is eating,
they're so like it's it's kind of essentially the same
(23:35):
exact thing that would happen if you have an obstruction
from anything so severe pain, repeated vomiting, not having bowel movements.
This is all red flags for any medical professional to
say there's something blocking the food from getting through.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But then they're saying, this guy was complaining of this
for weeks and this surgeon just wasn't concerned. So then
finally the family pushed for another doctor and that's when
they figured out what happened, and he had have another
surgery obviously to correct the issue. How are you not
I discerned?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I just I just because like I'm telling you that,
I mean, the doctor should have been concerned. I just
don't even understand. I don't even understand how this happened. Like,
if he's done any surgery ever in his life, you
don't even have to be a surgeon. You could be
a plumber and just know that, like when you take
(24:29):
a segment of pipe out, you need to reattach the
pipe well, Like it's just like it's not like rocket
science at all.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
They're also saying like this couldn't have just been like
an easy little accident. They said it actually would have
been quote extremely difficult to perform because of the huge
tumor present in the patient. So they kind of went
like out of their way to make the mistake. It's unreal.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, no, I don't, I don't know. I don't really
understand what that means. I don't. I really don't. I
don't know that they I don't know that that makes sense.
It just seems like they just didn't like Anastamos the
ball together after and he just like closed it off.
I just don't really, I don't really understand, Like I
(25:17):
just I just don't like working in this profession. I
just don't know how this happened, like you could see.
I mean like did he have like a seizure, Like
did he have a stroke? Like did something happen that
made him not? I don't know, And like I don't
know how things are done in other countries, but like
I mean, I would assume in the UK that it's
(25:40):
it's pretty similar to what is done here. There has
to be other people in the room that are watching
this that are like, this doesn't look right. I just
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
We had a video in stories this week that there
was like an earthquake in Japan during a surgery, right,
and they caught it on video, and I think even
in that case where everything's getting shaken around, you still
could not see how this would go down in this story.
And then the best is that the surgeon is claiming
that there's a witch hunt after him, and it's like, no,
you made a major mistake and you this can't be forgiven.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I just I really just don't. I want to
see if, like I have to, I didn't have time
to do this today, but I'm gonna try to see
if I could find actual like op notes to see
what this exactly was like anatomically and how this happened.
If somebody actually wrote this up to say how they
thought this happened. It just doesn't It just doesn't make
(26:33):
any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
He's like, I never had a single complaint in thirty years,
and it's like, okay, well, if you never killed somebody
in thirty years and then you did, you're still gonna
go to jail for murder just because you didn't have
any record before that doesn't mean you're innocent this time around.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And listen, like, like we were just talking about early
like humans, humans are surgeons are humans, and they can
make mistakes. But this to me is like, yeah, you
you definitely shouldn't ever be inside a person again if
you did this, because like it doesn't like something about
it is just doesn't make so much sense that even
an amateur wouldn't do something like that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, all right. So then this next one, it's kind
of similar to the first ray we talked about where
this grandmother was disfigured after hospital staff confused her with
another patient by the same name.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So this woman is an elderly woman, she's a grandmother,
and she had a lesion on her genitals. So it
seems like she had like she probably had like a
little basal cell cancer or something. Get like a little
skin I mean it was cancer, but it was a
(27:45):
little cancerous lesion. She was getting removed, it seems from
her vulva, and she woke up and she had like
at least a partial vulveectomy, like they removed a large
pole portion of her volva. And here her first name
was Deborah. The other person in the room's first name
(28:07):
was Deborah, and they both like they just were like, oh,
this one's this and this one's that, and mix them up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, because this is unbelievable. So she said, they called Deborah,
and she said, did you mean Buchanan, which I'm assuming
is her last name, And they said, oh, yes, you'll do.
And then the woman next to me said I'm Deborah
and they said, oh no, we've got the right one.
I like, how were you thought checking that? I can't
believe this because I'm just like when I went in
(28:35):
for my surgery, it was like, they call your name,
they check your name, they check your birthday. You get
a bracelet, they say, look at your bracelet, check your name,
and check your birthday. And then every person that came
in was like, what's your full name and what's your birthday?
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And this is like the difference with the first case
we talked about. So let's say, for example, that woman
had ended me cancer. So nymutual cancer is like inside
of your uterus, right, we're talking about their first case.
So when the surgeon went in to remove her organ,
the surgeon wouldn't know that it was a perfectly healthy
(29:13):
organ without cancer. It wouldn't be strikingly obvious that there
was no cancer in it because it's inside the uterus body,
so you can't always tell from the outside of the
uterus what it looks like. So you can't really down
the surgeon for like not having you know, Spidey senses
going off and being like, something doesn't look right here,
(29:34):
this looks normal, whereas in this case, the surgeon is
looking at this little cancer to be removed and ends
up doing a far more advanced procedure that was done
for another patient, Like didn't they notice that that particular
lesion didn't need that aggressive surgery? And the worst part
(29:55):
is is that this woman like goes in the bathroom
half of her volva is missing and then points to
the lesion and it's still freaking there. Yeah, it's still there,
Like they didn't even remove it, and it's kind of like,
so they just literally removed like healthy volva from a person,
and they said, they discharge her with little to no explanation,
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and then she had to end up going back there
anyway to get the lesion removed later on. God, this
is like out of control, I mean, because this is
something that she could have problems with recurrent infections pain,
just her sexual life could be ruined because of that.
There's just so many things and you're just like, no,
(30:37):
she needed to have like something a little minor incision,
and to think how scary that is when you go
under that you would wake up and have that done
is so invasive.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Absolutely all right, Well, end on the most ridiculous story
I think you're ever gonna hear out here. Maybe not
because after the Perez Hilton thing happened last year day.
Of course, all this stuff happens after we wrap, right,
(31:09):
So I we try on this show to cover stories
with more unique elements. So every week I'm like, what
I think? I texted you this? What is something new
somebody could do?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Every day?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
And there's always something And the Perez Hilton thing was
like I never in a million years would have thought
somebody would have ever done that, let alone somebody of
somewhat fame like himself. Anyway, this story is this man
was arrested for dressing as the Grim Reaper and staring
down patients from a hospital roof.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
This is it's just weird, Like the guy had on
the whole hood and he was like holding the sickle
thing like the full nine yards leave.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The term for that weapon is a scythe.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, they're same kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yes, he has the full the full get up on
and he's staring down these patients. So as a patient,
would you think you were hallucinating or would you say,
there's no a crazy person on the room.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's I would think, yeah, I would definitely be like,
this is something weird that happens, Like, I would definitely
think I was hallucinating. Yes, I'd be like, oh, it
has to be the drugs. I'm not like looking at
my hospital window right now and seeing grim Ripper. This
is It's just like kind of weird that a person
would be like, oh, let me like put on a
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Halloween costume and stand outside of people who were like
suffering in the hospital just to like upset them.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's just kind of well, I could safely say I
don't think this person was in their right mind to
be doing this, they said when they finally got him
down from the roof, which by the way, he was
just like growling at people on the ground. And I
don't know if you saw the picture, but it's pretty hilarious.
I'm sorry if this is upsetting to the patients, but
the picture was funny.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
No, it's I mean the story is kind of especially
after the heavy ones we just talked about, it's kind
of I love that they're like police and firefighters responded.
Every single time I see these stories, I say to Gabe, like,
what would you do if you got a call that
there was someone on the roof of the hospital just
as a Grim Reaper?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It is ridiculous. So first he claimed the costume was
supposed to be a burder crow, which I mean, we
could obviously see it's a Grim Reaper and he also
has the weapon associated. And then he also had recently
admitted to stealing cat food and litter from a pet
store in March, along with food and drinks from a
supermarket in May, so this was not his first crime.
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He pleaded guilty to a nuisance charge on July fifteenth
for the Grim Reaper attempt and was only fined two
hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So this is kind of was.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Worth it for him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's just like he got Internet fame. It didn't cost
that much money.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Every day I opened my phone and I just say,
I can't believe what I'm seeing and I can't believe
people are just doing these things all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I don't know, Like if I was in the hospital,
I would kind of enjoy this and think it was funny.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't get like be upset about this.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You like, in the safety of your room though, and
you just look out the window and see the grim reaper.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Listen, when you sing in the hospital, it gets pretty boring,
you know that you just went through it like that
were to add some it would add some entertainment to
your day for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Also, especially when I was in the labor room and
the window was frosted, I'm like, I understand people don't
want to look in my room and see what's going
on in there and see if you like spread eagle
try to deliver a baby, but I want to see out.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah. They should do one of those like two way mirror. Yeah,
whatever those things.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
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or alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor.
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Thanks MHM.
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to talk about multiple medical malpractice cases and
an unwanted visitor that nobody wants to see at the hospital.
All that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I feel this is going to be one of the
most outrageous episodes we've ever done. That you guys are
just not even gonna believe these stories we have, and
they're all from the last week or two just insane.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, Well, let's start off with the first one.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
All right. So first in Georgia, a woman found out
who was misdiagnosed with cancer and had an unnecessary hysterectomy
after a biopsy mix up.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
All right, so this is actually something that would have
happened in the pathology department. So let's start off first
by saying what happened. This woman's forty three years old.
She went to Kaiser Permanente Medical Center for heavy bleeding
and uterine fibroids.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
So I was in January twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
January twenty twenty five, So they decided because she was
having this issue that they wanted to do an endometrial biopsy.
So that's when they go in to the uterus with
a scope and they either do a cure tage and
like scrape it out, or they just take pieces of
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it to look at under the microscope to see what's
going on. So the tissue comes back and says that
she has high grade endometrial cancer, and which is like
a huge deal to be told that you have uterine cancer,
so they say, and she was freaking out. She said
that she even was like planning funeral with her sons
(02:01):
and everything. She's only forty three years old. So she
gets scheduled to get treatment for high grade endometrial cancer,
which is a total hysterectomy and removal of pelvic lymph nodes.
So she gets the surgery, it goes down the pathology,
they examine the whole entire thing, and she literally doesn't
(02:22):
have cancer at all, like in any of our organs,
her lymph nodes, nothing, So what could happen in that case?
I think that the next step would be because sometimes
if you do an endometrial curetage and the endometrial cancer
is very like superficial, you could almost like scrape it
(02:44):
out all the way, so you might not see evidence
of it in the hysterectomy, So that would be one
thing that they would look into to see if that
was it, But they could tell from the biopsy as
well if it was a superficial thing or not. The
next thing they could do is that they take the
paraffin block of tissue that we make so when we
(03:06):
when we when the initial biopsy was done, those pieces
of tissue get embedded in paraffin to make the microscope slides.
Those blocks are saved for years aside. So they went
back to the case and they pulled out that block
and they were able to do DNA on it and
saw that it actually wasn't her tissue.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Okay, that's what I was gonna ask you. If it
was a matter of it was miss read by the
pathologists looking under the microscope, if they they didn't read
it correctly and misdiagnosed her, or if it was genuinely
switched up with another person's sample, So what happens to
the other person, Like that they found the other person
in this case who they switched it up with, because
(03:48):
so my understanding is that another person is living with
an aggressive form of cancer.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, so the mix up now we've had Listen, I
worked in the lab forever, Like, there's mix ups happen
all different kinds of ways, and it happens. It could
happen in the operating room that they put the wrong
labels on the wrong specimens. It could happen in pathology
lab that they put the wrong labels on the specimens.
And it could just happen when the right labels are
(04:15):
on the right specimens and the person just grabs the
wrong container. Like the unfortunate part about dealing with humans
is that humans are humans sometimes and humans make mistakes.
So there's been plenty of times that there's been biopsy
switch ups and unfortunate. This is just like a super
unfortunate situation. So the biopsy, the switch up happened, however
(04:40):
it happened, she got this surgery. So I guess the
way that they're going to track down the other patient
now is that they're going to go back to all
of the cases that were done within those couple of
day period to see what other endometrial biopsies were done,
and then they could kind of narrow it down by that.
(05:00):
There's not like hundred I mean, this is better than
being a GI biopsy because there's so many of them
every day. There's not hundreds of endometral biopsies done today,
So I would say in a couple span period, there
might be like I don't know the size of their lab,
but there might be like ten cases that they could
(05:20):
figure out who it is. And now they're going to
have to really contact all those patients do DNA testing
to figure out which one because if hers was switched
with someone else, if they could figure out the one
that has her actual tissue in it, then they might
likely be able to figure out the patient that has
the cancer. But this when was her surgery done? So
(05:44):
last year around this time last year, so it's been
a whole entire year since they figured this out. But really,
if she had the biopsy in January, so did the
other lady, and now you have May she had the surgery.
Think end of May June is when they figured out
the problem. So you have six whole months that a
(06:05):
person had cancer in their body, high grade and the
mutual cancer in their body. Now, this is my kind
of questions with the case, when maybe it should have
been questioned a little bit because she was forty three
years old, and they're telling her doctor that she has
a high grade and the mutual cancer. It's not that
(06:26):
it's never happened before, but it's very unlikely to happen
in a forty three year old person. This is a
diagnosis that comes after menopause usually, so usually a woman
like old like let's say momm's age, right, she can't
happen to her, she doesn't have a uterus. But just
(06:48):
say someone that's older like her, hasn't had her period
in ten years, twenty years, all of a sudden she
starts bleeding. That's when she will go to the doctor
and find out she has eny mutual cancer. Because it's
like it's postmenopausal bleeding is like a huge concern. You
shouldn't be bleeding after you're done menopause, right, so, and
a lot of it has to do with like the
(07:10):
hormones at forty three years old, like you're perry menopausal
at forty three years old. But she was having heavy
bleeding because she was having fibroids and other issues with
her uterus, like she could have had polyps or something
like that. Whatever. Now, the thing is is that when
the gynecologist gets back these results and finds out that
(07:33):
she has cancer. I mean, that's all they could go
off of. I don't know if a doctor would question
and be like, let's try to do some further work up,
because it's a little weird that you have this at
this age.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
But based on this article, it looks like she had
a ct scan after the biopsy, which they're claiming showed
no signs of cancer. And then after that scan she
was referred to another doctor who then recommended the fullest directomy.
So wouldn't you question it if the CTC wasn't showing anything.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I don't know, because the thing is is that, like
I was saying before, since she's young, like because there
have been forty three year old people diagnosed with the
end of mutual cancer in the past, So like if
they were able to like superficially scrape it off, like
they could have caught it in the very early stages
when it was very early, and the treatment would still
(08:21):
be hysterectomy because you want to just get the organ out.
You don't need the organ anymore if you're not having kids,
get it out because it's gonna come back just because
you scraped it off. Doesn't mean it's not going to
come back, right, So I understand why it was recommended.
And the thing is is that if you get a
c T scan and you had a really superficial thing,
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you're not going to see like what you would think
of as like a huge tumor. So I guess that's
I mean, like the guynocologist's hands are kind of tied
because like all they could do is like based upon
like what they think her tissue is showing, Like they
don't think there's a switch. So in that particular case,
(09:03):
like honestly, this is gonna sound really messed up to say,
but aside from the fact that this woman was scared
to death that she had cancer for a moment and
had a surgery that she didn't really need, she kind
of is like making out in this deal because she
she had this abnormal bleeding and she had fibroids and
(09:27):
this problem, and she possibly could have got a hysterectomy
anyway because of the bleeding problem. Because when you're forty three,
assuming she was done having kids, like like my mom
had it done, our friend had it done. Like heavy
bleeding is kind of like, Okay, I don't want to
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deal with this anymore, like I'm gonna get a hysterectomy done.
Normally in those cases they wouldn't take out your ovaries
and put you into early menopause. So she's in early menopause,
but she's also like forty three and was gonna go
into it anyway. And I mean she did get lymph
notes taken out, so she could have problems with draining
her lymph notes and stuff. However, like overall, because she's
(10:11):
going to become like a multi millionaire out of this,
which she should rightfully like she's it's kind of a
win for her. It's a real loss for the other person.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But yes, but at the same time, it's something that
like against your will kind of because you're it's misrepresented
what needs to be done. And also it's that she's
only seeking ten thousand dollars in damages and a jury
try out. Now, no, no, this is the million dollar worthy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well that this is what I was going to say too.
So there's there's a big thing with metalic mel practice
for the most part that when you go to get
money from a jury. We've talked about these cases before
of people like God that awful one. We were talking
about recently with the ovarian cyst that was supposed to
be removed and they removed her bladder. That woman could
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prove that her life is drastic changed and and sucks
now because of what they did to her. And that's
why she's eligible for millions of dollars. This woman, she like,
going into early menopause is not anything to be taken
lightly per se, because now you have to be on hormones,
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and we know how that goes. The draining in her
legs from the pelvic lymph of removal, assuming that they
took out enough to cause her problems, could be a
lifelong problem too. But overall she's she's not really I mean,
aside from like getting surgery and if she had any
complications and healing and taking off of work and all
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this kind of stuff that she had to do and
just being emotionally traumatized thinking that she had cancer, she's
not really like gonna have lifelong complications from this, which
is why I'm saying like, overall, she's making out. But
I think that someone needs to talk to her and
say that she could. I feel like this is more
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I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They also must have proved that the mix up happened
on the hospital level because Quest did the initial biopsy.
It was sent out the Quest to do the initial
biopsy testing. And she's not going after them, She's just
going after the hospital system in the lawsuits. So they
must have figured out that it happened on that level,
the switch up.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I thought they yeah, and they did say did they
say it was in pathology. They said that Quest did
it says a pathol it set a pathology mix up,
but that could be And this is what this is
what I've seen working in surgical pathology multiple times at
multiple different hospitals and even in rotations. I don't know
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what happens in the oor. I've never been there, but
they print labels out right, So they'll print like five
labels out for a person that they're working on, and
like one goes on the paperwork, and one goes on
the specimen container, and one goes here, and one goes there,
and then maybe they're not all taken off the printer
or it prints again or something, and then the next
(13:08):
patience is printed and then all of a sudden, like
it gets switched and they put the wrong sticker on
the wrong thing. I mean, we catch it we catch it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It does.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I wouldn't say it happens every day, It happens more
often than it probably should.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Need an a type person such as myself wearing the
label system because if you don't and somebody's not doing
the checks.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
But it's hard, yeah, Like it's hard for us because
especially like if we have two specimen containers and they
both have the same kind of end of mutual biopsy
and the mutual biopsy even under the microscope. Because we've
had this happen too where there's been a mix up
with GI biopsies, right, but like the labels get switched.
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One of them is on like an esophagus biopsy, one
of them is on a colon biopsy. Well, once the
PETHOD just looks at that under the microscope, they could
say there's a mix up here because they could tell
the difference between esophagus and colon under the microscope. So
it's very easy to be like something got switched. Yeah,
and then we could backtrack it and figure it out
very quickly. But like in this case, when it's in
a mutual biopsy and a mutual biopsy, you don't know
(14:18):
that they got switched. And I guarantee that they the
that the person that does have the cancer is is
somebody that's like over sixty years old that you understand,
is that.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Person even alive anymore to know like did they even
catch it in another way on that person or did
they tell that person they were free and clear?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh, they totally probably told that person that they were
free and clear, because and see we can know from
now looking at for having the uterus, like like let's
say in pathology, they have her uterus, they could see
if what condition was causing her to have the bleeding.
(14:58):
So it it is possible that when she had the
initial endomeutrobiobsy she had like a polyp or something because
that causes bleeding. They could find like adnomiosis or something
like that, which is endometriosis like in the wall. So
there probably was some and she had fibroids too. There
probably was some explanation as to why she was bleeding,
but it just wasn't cancer.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
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According to local lore, ed would pay boys in cash,
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boys to eat cheese so the feces would taste better
and keep their poop in pizza boxes. So, yeah, that's
what we're talking about right now. And that really happened,
and it actually got way worse than that. I saw.
One of our members was just like I never heard, Yeah,
(16:37):
exactly right, Like I think I would have been better
off not reading about that. Thanks. Funeral Friday this week
was really interesting. We were talking about viewing people who
die in your life that are decomposed and some of
the limitations that there are with that, and just really
(16:57):
crazy picture of a person that was severe decomposed and
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(17:22):
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Head over to the gross room dot com now to
sign up. An eighteen year old was hospitalized after acid
soaked caause was accidentally inserted in her nose during a
routine rhinoplast surgery.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So we've talked about this happening within the past couple
of years. When remember that case that we were talking
about when the at the was it an IVF place
or when they were doing some kind of a.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yes, it was very close to us. They were doing
the saline procedure where they put saline into your Philippian
tubes to see if there's any blockage, and they accidentally
inserted acid into the woman's Philippian tubes, which was absolute nightmare.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
So it's trichloroacetic acid, which in a g So in
the case that Marie is talking about, we have that
case in the grocerym too, with actual photographs because it
was written up in a paper. It's called the name
of the post is called acidic douche. And that was
like a play on words to the person that did
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this too. By the way, So that's usually in a
gyn office because that will be used to almost like
do testing and treatment on like genital warts. It's like
acid to burn, right, it should be labeled in a
completely separate container that's nowhere near but they're both clear liquids.
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So that's exactly what happened, and in that particular case,
it was just awful, just like imagine flushing acid through
your body.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Is the name of the procedure.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I could not remember the same thing happened with this
this this woman who was getting she was just getting
a nose job, and they put the they soak the
gauze in the same as act acid and stuck it
in her nose. It's pretty so it really is unbelievable,
and it's I mean, we're I feel like, especially working
(19:36):
in the lab my entire life. It's just like we're
very hardcore about labeling stuff. What day it was open,
what day you know it expires, It's labeled correctly, and
there's even protocols in place to like not keep certain
things next to each other. And that's just in the lab.
Like I can't even imagine when you're actually taking care
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of patients that that these things are going inside their
that there's not just like specific protocols as to where
they should be stored. Did it say why there was
this acid was in I don't even know why the
acid would be in the ther anyway, as far as
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when if we're talking about if they're doing cosmetic surgeries
for no jobs and stuff, but like who knows, Like
it could just be one of these our rooms that
does multiple different kinds of procedures, so I'm not sure
what else it would be used.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It didn't say. But also when we covered the salience
diagram story, we had people writing in that worked in
that worked at other offices of that same nature that
did those procedures and said that the acid should never
even kind of be in the same room where those
are done, so these mix ups don't happen. So I
don't know if it was a case like this or
it was mislabeled or whatever, but it didn't clarify. But basically,
(20:54):
this patient inhaled it, which caused chemical burns to her
respiratory tract, and then due to that, she had to
undergo this emergency surgery and now she is in stable condition.
So imagine you're just going in for a nose job
and then you end up having this other serious issue
happened that wasn't even supposed to because of the negligence
going on in the room. Oh my god, all right,
(21:16):
this is truly unbelievable. A surgeon has been fired after
he accidentally sowed his patient's organs together, forming a closed
loop and preventing the patient from pooping.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
So I really dug deep into this case to figure
out how the hell this happened, but I guess it
was the patient had some kind of a small bowl tumor. Okay,
so normally what they'll do is they take the segment,
you know, they take the tumborrount, and the segment a
bell around it. So think about if you have like
(21:51):
a hose, you're gonna cut the center of the hose
out and then you have to kind of like reattach
the hose so it works again, right, So that's what
they do in this particular surgery. So what happened was
that they cut out the segment of the small bell,
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which is the small bough comes right off of the stomach.
They cut out a little segment in between the small bell,
and instead of attaching the two ends together to form
you know, the hose again, they closed off the one end.
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So when the stomach emptied, it just went into a
blind pouch and it wasn't able to get to the
other side of the bell because it was sewed and
the other end was just not closed at all. I
don't I don't know if he was like distracted or
(22:52):
I don't. I don't understand like how this even happened
if there were people in the room regardless this person.
So now this person, you know, heals from surgery, starts
eating again and stuff. So they have mouth, esophagus, stomach
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and then like a little bit of a segment of
small bell and then it's staple shut. So like every
single thing that they put in their mouth is not
able to get to their rectum and through their anus
and like out of their body. So this person is eating,
they're so like it's it's kind of essentially the same
(23:35):
exact thing that would happen if you have an obstruction
from anything so severe pain, repeated vomiting, not having bowel movements.
This is all red flags for any medical professional to
say there's something blocking the food from getting through.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But then they're saying, this guy was complaining of this
for weeks and this surgeon just wasn't concerned. So then
finally the family pushed for another doctor and that's when
they figured out what happened, and he had have another
surgery obviously to correct the issue. How are you not
I discerned?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I just I just because like I'm telling you that,
I mean, the doctor should have been concerned. I just
don't even understand. I don't even understand how this happened. Like,
if he's done any surgery ever in his life, you
don't even have to be a surgeon. You could be
a plumber and just know that, like when you take
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a segment of pipe out, you need to reattach the
pipe well, Like it's just like it's not like rocket
science at all.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
They're also saying like this couldn't have just been like
an easy little accident. They said it actually would have
been quote extremely difficult to perform because of the huge
tumor present in the patient. So they kind of went
like out of their way to make the mistake. It's unreal.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, no, I don't, I don't know. I don't really
understand what that means. I don't. I really don't. I
don't know that they I don't know that that makes sense.
It just seems like they just didn't like Anastamos the
ball together after and he just like closed it off.
I just don't really, I don't really understand, Like I
(25:17):
just I just don't like working in this profession. I
just don't know how this happened, like you could see.
I mean like did he have like a seizure, Like
did he have a stroke? Like did something happen that
made him not? I don't know, And like I don't
know how things are done in other countries, but like
I mean, I would assume in the UK that it's
(25:40):
it's pretty similar to what is done here. There has
to be other people in the room that are watching
this that are like, this doesn't look right. I just
don't understand.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
We had a video in stories this week that there
was like an earthquake in Japan during a surgery, right,
and they caught it on video, and I think even
in that case where everything's getting shaken around, you still
could not see how this would go down in this story.
And then the best is that the surgeon is claiming
that there's a witch hunt after him, and it's like, no,
you made a major mistake and you this can't be forgiven.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I just I really just don't. I want to
see if, like I have to, I didn't have time
to do this today, but I'm gonna try to see
if I could find actual like op notes to see
what this exactly was like anatomically and how this happened.
If somebody actually wrote this up to say how they
thought this happened. It just doesn't It just doesn't make
(26:33):
any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
He's like, I never had a single complaint in thirty years,
and it's like, okay, well, if you never killed somebody
in thirty years and then you did, you're still gonna
go to jail for murder just because you didn't have
any record before that doesn't mean you're innocent this time around.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And listen, like, like we were just talking about early
like humans, humans are surgeons are humans, and they can
make mistakes. But this to me is like, yeah, you
you definitely shouldn't ever be inside a person again if
you did this, because like it doesn't like something about
it is just doesn't make so much sense that even
an amateur wouldn't do something like that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, all right. So then this next one, it's kind
of similar to the first ray we talked about where
this grandmother was disfigured after hospital staff confused her with
another patient by the same name.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So this woman is an elderly woman, she's a grandmother,
and she had a lesion on her genitals. So it
seems like she had like she probably had like a
little basal cell cancer or something. Get like a little
skin I mean it was cancer, but it was a
(27:45):
little cancerous lesion. She was getting removed, it seems from
her vulva, and she woke up and she had like
at least a partial vulveectomy, like they removed a large
pole portion of her volva. And here her first name
was Deborah. The other person in the room's first name
(28:07):
was Deborah, and they both like they just were like, oh,
this one's this and this one's that, and mix them up.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, because this is unbelievable. So she said, they called Deborah,
and she said, did you mean Buchanan, which I'm assuming
is her last name, And they said, oh, yes, you'll do.
And then the woman next to me said I'm Deborah
and they said, oh no, we've got the right one.
I like, how were you thought checking that? I can't
believe this because I'm just like when I went in
(28:35):
for my surgery, it was like, they call your name,
they check your name, they check your birthday. You get
a bracelet, they say, look at your bracelet, check your name,
and check your birthday. And then every person that came
in was like, what's your full name and what's your birthday?
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And this is like the difference with the first case
we talked about. So let's say, for example, that woman
had ended me cancer. So nymutual cancer is like inside
of your uterus, right, we're talking about their first case.
So when the surgeon went in to remove her organ,
the surgeon wouldn't know that it was a perfectly healthy
(29:13):
organ without cancer. It wouldn't be strikingly obvious that there
was no cancer in it because it's inside the uterus body,
so you can't always tell from the outside of the
uterus what it looks like. So you can't really down
the surgeon for like not having you know, Spidey senses
going off and being like, something doesn't look right here,
(29:34):
this looks normal, whereas in this case, the surgeon is
looking at this little cancer to be removed and ends
up doing a far more advanced procedure that was done
for another patient, Like didn't they notice that that particular
lesion didn't need that aggressive surgery? And the worst part
(29:55):
is is that this woman like goes in the bathroom
half of her volva is missing and then points to
the lesion and it's still freaking there. Yeah, it's still there,
Like they didn't even remove it, and it's kind of like,
so they just literally removed like healthy volva from a person,
and they said, they discharge her with little to no explanation,
(30:15):
and then she had to end up going back there
anyway to get the lesion removed later on. God, this
is like out of control, I mean, because this is
something that she could have problems with recurrent infections pain,
just her sexual life could be ruined because of that.
There's just so many things and you're just like, no,
(30:37):
she needed to have like something a little minor incision,
and to think how scary that is when you go
under that you would wake up and have that done
is so invasive.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Absolutely all right, Well, end on the most ridiculous story
I think you're ever gonna hear out here. Maybe not
because after the Perez Hilton thing happened last year day.
Of course, all this stuff happens after we wrap, right,
(31:09):
So I we try on this show to cover stories
with more unique elements. So every week I'm like, what
I think? I texted you this? What is something new
somebody could do?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Every day?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
And there's always something And the Perez Hilton thing was
like I never in a million years would have thought
somebody would have ever done that, let alone somebody of
somewhat fame like himself. Anyway, this story is this man
was arrested for dressing as the Grim Reaper and staring
down patients from a hospital roof.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
This is it's just weird, Like the guy had on
the whole hood and he was like holding the sickle
thing like the full nine yards leave.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The term for that weapon is a scythe.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, they're same kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yes, he has the full the full get up on
and he's staring down these patients. So as a patient,
would you think you were hallucinating or would you say,
there's no a crazy person on the room.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's I would think, yeah, I would definitely be like,
this is something weird that happens, Like, I would definitely
think I was hallucinating. Yes, I'd be like, oh, it
has to be the drugs. I'm not like looking at
my hospital window right now and seeing grim Ripper. This
is It's just like kind of weird that a person
would be like, oh, let me like put on a
(32:30):
Halloween costume and stand outside of people who were like
suffering in the hospital just to like upset them.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
It's just kind of well, I could safely say I
don't think this person was in their right mind to
be doing this, they said when they finally got him
down from the roof, which by the way, he was
just like growling at people on the ground. And I
don't know if you saw the picture, but it's pretty hilarious.
I'm sorry if this is upsetting to the patients, but
the picture was funny.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
No, it's I mean the story is kind of especially
after the heavy ones we just talked about, it's kind
of I love that they're like police and firefighters responded.
Every single time I see these stories, I say to Gabe, like,
what would you do if you got a call that
there was someone on the roof of the hospital just
as a Grim Reaper?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It is ridiculous. So first he claimed the costume was
supposed to be a burder crow, which I mean, we
could obviously see it's a Grim Reaper and he also
has the weapon associated. And then he also had recently
admitted to stealing cat food and litter from a pet
store in March, along with food and drinks from a
supermarket in May, so this was not his first crime.
(33:36):
He pleaded guilty to a nuisance charge on July fifteenth
for the Grim Reaper attempt and was only fined two
hundred pounds.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
So this is kind of was.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Worth it for him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
It's just like he got Internet fame. It didn't cost
that much money.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Every day I opened my phone and I just say,
I can't believe what I'm seeing and I can't believe
people are just doing these things all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I don't know, Like if I was in the hospital,
I would kind of enjoy this and think it was funny.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't get like be upset about this.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You like, in the safety of your room though, and
you just look out the window and see the grim reaper.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Listen, when you sing in the hospital, it gets pretty boring,
you know that you just went through it like that
were to add some it would add some entertainment to
your day for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Also, especially when I was in the labor room and
the window was frosted, I'm like, I understand people don't
want to look in my room and see what's going
on in there and see if you like spread eagle
try to deliver a baby, but I want to see out.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah. They should do one of those like two way mirror. Yeah,
whatever those things.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Seriously, all right, guys, thank you so much. Please head
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Speaker 2 (34:52):
Have a good weekend, guys, Thank you for listening to
mother nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as
a pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a
doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead
or alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor.
(35:16):
This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
to educate and inform people based on my experience working
in pathology, so they can make healthier decisions regarding their
life and well being. Always remember that science is changing
every day, and the opinions expressed in this episode are
based on my knowledge of those subjects at the time
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