August 6, 2026 • 45 mins
Today, we talk about a Jeopardy! Winning Sex Pest, a woman injured on a deadly escalator, enormous tumors that were dismissed, and a surrogate fighting for a baby’s life after the biological parents want her to have an abortion.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a former Jeopardy winner who was
doing some creepy stuff. Then you won't believe this, but
another person was injured on the same escalator that we
talked about five months ago that led to a man's death.
Then we have two stories involving women with very large tumors.
(00:41):
One story involves one who had a tumor that was
increasingly growing over time and was dismissed and now she
is terminal, and the other involves a complication of pregnancy.
They're both really interesting stories. Then we'll finish off with
a really upsetting case involving a surrogate and parental rights.
(01:01):
All that and more on today's episode. This Jeopardy Guy creepster.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, So, former Jeopardy winner Joey Desenna has pleaded guilty
to two counts of felony secret peeping after hidden cameras
were located in his beach rentals and they proved he
was using them for sexual pleasure. I cannot believe that
is what this charge is called. I looked it up
and was like, this has to be the article, but no,
in North Carolina where this crime happened, that is the charge,
(01:28):
felony secret peeping. It just sounds rating.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It does because it's it's all you think about, is
a guy with like an inspector gadget trench coat on.
It's like opening it up and showing people or like
of what do they call it, a flashing tom or something,
I don't know, peeping tom, peeping tom or yeah, like
I don't know. The whole thing is so weird. But
I guess what's interesting is that they did a what
(01:58):
they called a psycho sexual evaluation and said that he
would not be required I guess whatever they got from
that evaluation, they said he would not be required to
register as a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I don't like that one bit because I mean, clearly,
if he was hiding cameras in the bathroom and bedroom
of his rental property, and they proved he was using
them for sexual gratification, why is that not sex offender
behavior he did it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I think I think that they were saying because it
was because it was for self said, I don't know honestly, Like, obviously,
if he was using that footage and putting it on
only fans. Then there then he would definitely be considered
some kind of a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right, you're a sex offender for personal use. That's sex
offender behavior. I'm sorry, Like just because it was personal
doesn't mean it's not sex offender behavior. Now, he violated
a woman's privacy and beat off to her.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, and I guess that's what's concerning because that's another
thing because I wouldn't even think about this. But when
you're doing when you're having like an Airbnb, I don't
know if it was a specifically airbnb, but it was
some kind of a rental thing. But when you're doing
something like that, they're not doing any kind of background
check on you to see if you're the homeowner is
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a criminal of any sort or if But like I would,
I guess I would want to know that if if
that was the case, because we say airbnbs all the time,
Like I would want to know if the person that
owned the house was like accused of doing something like
this before. But I guess you would never know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know that for a fact, that they don't do
background checks before you sign up for Airbnb, like you
can just sign up today, no background chech and list something.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Oh I don't know, because I'm just saying I like
would this, but but like would it? Would they be
looking for sex offenders? And like would would something like
this come up to be like, you can't do this
anymore because you've violated customers.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
They have to. There's no way that they don't.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But what what's the difference even if they do though,
because like let's say, okay, like when you rent a
house down the shore, that goes like through realtor or
sometimes you just call a phone number on the thing
like that. You there's ways to get around that. It's
not like he couldn't do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
If they don't do that, they have to because this
could happen literally anywhere. I mean, it literally happened when
this guy didn't have a criminal record yet. So and
it seemingly he's not even getting in trouble for doing it,
which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
But he's in trouble I think he, I mean not
really like I would consider sixty sixty months of probation.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's barely in trouble. Like you were seriously violating someone's
privacy and then using those images for yourself to get
off on it doesn't. It's just it's really gross, honest,
it's disgusting. And what really bothered me is that this
event happened. So the victim said this happen in October.
In December, he turned himself in and was released on
(04:56):
five thousand dollars bond, which is ridiculous. But then they're
saying that he returned to film Jeopardy in January for
the Champions wild Card tournament. So like they let him
go back on television a month after he turned himself
in for.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
This If he didn't say anything, how would they know?
This is just ridiculous, That's what I'm telling you, Like
what like, how would they know anything?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's just like, so he won Jeopardy twice in November
twenty twenty four and earned forty four thousand dollars, So
did he use that money to install these cameras in
his beat rental?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, it's this is the thing, Like the woman found
it because she it said that she was staying at
a property for a wedding and discovered two black USB
wall chargers containing cameras in the bedroom and bathroom. Like again,
going with stupid criminals. There's probably ways to put a
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camera in that you wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It, like why, I mean we talked about that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
With can't you put it in like a like a
decoration or something that's like why would you put it
out there that somebody would be able to see what
it was and figure out that it was a camera?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like it's just well, remember we had that story that
was in like what was it in Korea where that
guy was watching like secret porn like this it was
like hidden camera porn and then he found himself on
there or something. But those cameras were hidden in the vents,
so maybe it was hidden in a place. But I
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mean with all these tiktoks and everything now with people
like I don't know if you guys come across these
videos where people are like this is what you need
to do if you're staying in a hotel room and
it's like this crazy lock system on the door or whatever. Right,
But like now that this is out there, I think
there is some people that are straight up looking for
the cameras and some that notice something unusual and then
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end up finding them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I'm not really I'm not really sure what went down,
But I mean, like if you're staying there and you
notice it, then you clearly didn't do it good enough
job of hiding it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
No, and I mean I don't like that he doesn't
have to register as a sex vender. I mean that's
absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, it is, because what else was he
doing it for. It's not like he had a camera
on like the foyer and he was monitoring who was
coming and going from the front door. It was in
the bathroom and bedroom, Like what else could it be for?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
All right, So, as mentioned at the beginning of the episode,
a woman was injured on a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority escalator,
just five months after a man was killed on it,
which was a story we reported on back in May,
although his death happened in February.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yes, so if you remember, this guy was only forty
four years old and he tripped or sorry, he was
only forty years old, and he tripped and fell and
a piece of his clothing got stuck in the escalator
to the point where he couldn't get off. No one
stopped the escalator from moving, and it pulled his clothes
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in so much that it ended up causing asphyxiation and
killing him, like it closed off his neck. It was
that tight on him, so and he ended up dying
from that, which is ridiculous like that that, I mean,
for a young guy like that to die in that
kind of way in a populated area is just ridiculous.
(08:21):
And now there's said, you know, we've heard from a
bunch of people that there's been accidents there before. This
is not the first time there's been an incident there,
And now another woman was injured there.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, clearly something's wrong with the escalator if it's
catching people's clothing to the extent where they're getting injured
or dying.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
The thing is is that there's a lot of incidents
like this that happened in escalators that maybe aren't always
reported on. It's just kind of I think it's just
interesting because this particular case is like that guy died
and that was like a huge deal, and now it's
you know, I don't I don't think there's anything wrong
(09:00):
with the escalator. Like all escalators do this. They're dangerous.
You just like, didn't you ever see mall rats that
kids back on the escalator again?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But like, how often are people getting caught in them,
And then they're saying, in this case, a person who
was on the escalator ahead of the impacted person hit
the emergency stop. So like in the last case, nobody
hit the emergency stop which resulted in that guy choking
and dying. And if nobody hit it in this case again,
would this woman have also died?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, it depends like what part of her clothing got
stuck in it. But not only could it cause asphyxiation
like it did in that guy's case, but it could
cause like major like laceration injuries too, because it could
put if it pulls your your arm in or something
like that, like you you see on the injuries. I
have a couple in the gross room of people that
have they almost have this like.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's it's like a paper shredder, dude, Like if you
stick a piece of paper in a paper shredder, you
know how it puts those lines in it. It's kind
of the same exact theory, Like it just sucks in.
You know, if you're next to a paper shredder and
you're wearing a scarf around your neck, it's gonna pull
you in and choke you out if you don't get
it out. I just feel like it's like the same
(10:12):
kind of a theory. So if you I mean that's
what the injuries look like. It almost looks like a
paper shredder went like across your skin.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I just feel like they can't have the right safety
guards or something going on on this because unless escalator
incidents are like this are just happening all the time,
like every escalator.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you think if it's if it's at a major
transportation center, let's say, and these are the only two
incidents that have happened in five months, when you have
millions of people going through there, Like I, I'm not
sure that it's like it's just you know, it's it's
funny because everyone's scared of elevators, but like escalator they
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I just don't think that people are as scared because
they're out in the open, and you don't think of
that impending like claustrophobia, gross feeling, but like they're they're
an equal dangerous thing that could go wrong. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know what's funny about this. The equating into my
mind is that we're talking about family vacation where we're
gonna go next year, and Louie brought up maybe going
on a train, and then Ricky refer to the train
as a land cruise, and like, in a way it
kind of is. But for me, I didn't like the
cruise because I don't like being like trapped, the sense
(11:22):
of like being trapped on the open water and at
least on a train your land. But they could still
be equally dangerous.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, and the train could derail, and also like there's
train tracks that go through several hours where there's no
there's no one to get you. I mean, I guess
you're thinking, like the water seems final.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, well I'm saying like if the train derails, there's
a chance that I'm still on land and can survive,
but like if the boat goes down, I might drown
because I can't tread water for day.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
God, you're just thinking like of Titanic or something.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Can I tell you? We were looking up So we're
at a cousin's kids birthday already on Sunday, and she
had this like awesome inflatable like slide water slide thing
for the kids, and Ricky was looking them up. And
then there's a Titanic when you can buy that's the
ship on an angle and the kids could go up
the back and like slide down the boat. It's really must.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
A thirty eight year old mother with a forty two
pound tumor has been officially diagnosed with terminal cancer after
the tumor was dismissed as fatty tissue for over a decade.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
This is one of those situations where you guys have
to see this to really know how crazy that it
looked in real life, because I guess she was. She
had a bump on her and she was diagnosed with
a light poma, which is the most common soft tissue tumor,
and it's a benign tumor that it's it's literally just
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like a lot of fat cells get together and kind
of form a mass. So even when you look at it,
it just looks like a big globy fat. And people
when people get them, a lot of times because they're
so they are the most common. The doctor might look
at it and just say, you know, all right, well
you can get surgery to cut it out, but like
you could just keep an eye on it because it's
(13:14):
benign and a lot of times, like people like Gabe
has one on his like the side of his ribs,
it's not that big. My husband gets them all the time,
and it's kind of like, no, that's not what Ricky has.
Oh I thought, is that what mamms in her arm? Yeah,
because it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They don't go away on their own. Okay, there, and
that's it. So so the one that Gabe has, they're
just like just keep kind of keep an eye on it,
and I, of course, who I am, I am keeping
an eye on it, but like it's the same size
it's been this whole time, Like it's you know what
I mean, it's not getting that big and stuff, and
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that doesn't necessarily still mean you're safe. Like I feel
like he should still get it addressed at some point.
But it's also like on his ribs and where his
arm moves and stuff, you know, it would it would pull,
And I just feel like it's gonna be like kind
of a lot of surgery to heal from for maybe
not necessary, you know, like cosmetically it's not in a
(14:13):
weird spot or anything. But in this particular case, she
had it and then when she was pregnant that that's
when she first noticed it. And sometimes when you're pregnant
and we're gonna learn about this in the next story too,
like the hormones could could cause things to act different
in your body. So she just she said that it
(14:36):
was getting larger and increasingly painful. But she was first
diagnosed it with the lippomet in two thousand and nine.
Now ten whole years later in twenty nineteen. They kept
telling her like, it's it's benign this and that she
she it's like to the point where it's interfering with walking,
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climbing stairs, and other daily activities. So my question is
is that in this tenure gap. I know that they
told her that it was a lipoma when she was pregnant,
but like, in this ten year gap, did anybody tell
like did she get it checked out? Because that's where
(15:18):
my question is as far as like who's responsible for
this being a problem now?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She said at one point that somebody recommended getting a scan,
but then it just said but she never got an appointment,
So I'm like, did they not schedule her the appointment
or did she just not go to one. That's what
I was a little confused about. And then it was
like a question of a while, like you need to
just go get it removed. But it was a lot
of money, and then I guess finally when it started
(15:44):
bothering her enough, that's when she went to the plastic
surgeon who was like, this needs to be further evaluated,
and that's when they found out it was cancer. This
episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room guys.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
This week's Grosser Room High Profile Death. This section is
on Joshua Maddox. So he's not really a super well
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(16:24):
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mummified and in fetal position within the chimney, dead for years.
Nobody knows exactly what happened. They think it might be
an accident, but a lot of people think that it's
really suspicious. So we break down that whole case and
(16:46):
talk about it and having a discussion in the Grosser Room,
and then our forensic Friday was on daylight savings time
and why it's great that there was a bipartisan decision
to get rid of it, but they're doing the wrong
time so hard degree. Yeah, yeah, like it. It's just
(17:08):
like why why are you picking this particular timeframe and
not just going on standard time, Like why wouldn't you
just keep it the natural time whatever. So we get
into that and all of the believe it or not
that there's just like increased risk of heart attack and
stroke and different things with the time change of motor
vehicle accidents and things like that. So it's just really
(17:29):
really interesting because of our circadian rhythm. So we get
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a train transsection which is a body getting cut in half,
elder abuse, breast implants, and a decomposed person and how
we could identify people through breast implants, which is pretty cool,
(17:50):
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YouTube live every week two, which is I feel like
it's just getting more off the off the rails every week.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
So but but like if you, let's say, for example,
because this is like on her abdomen, and you have
a little mass that grows and the doctor tells you, okay,
that's a lipoma, Like you can't you can't just assume
that's what it is and not get it looked at
for almost ten years either as a patient, because then
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that's kind of falls on you if it gets bigger
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It just wasn't really clear.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wasn't it wasn't clear. So I don't know. I
don't know that because the way that it's written, they
want to say the doctor dismissed it as a as
a fatty tumor, which which is I don't think is
abnormal for a doctor to say that when it was small,
but like when it started getting out of control, then
obviously it's it's not right. So she goes and gets
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it checked out. Because when I saw the picture of
what she looks like now, the thing is forty two pounds. Okay,
so think about that, Like her belly looks like she's
got a pregnant belly hanging off, but it's not. It's
a tumor.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, but like not even because it's like kind of
off to the side.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's off to the side, and it's like very vascular
appearing and nodular appearance, like it looks angry, right, And
I'm thinking, like, when I'm reading this article, I'm just like,
there's no way she went to the doctor with this
and they said that this was a life plmet There's
no doctor in the world that said that, Like, I
just don't I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't believe that if there was, we need to
talk about the mal practice.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Like they need they need to like go away right away.
But so so I think that I think that it
could potentially be like partially patient responsibility too. I'm not
like one hundred percent sure, but so anyway, she finally
goes to a plastic surgeon to get it removed, and
they do a biopsy right away because obviously any normal
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doctor would be like, that's not good, and they find
out that it's leposarcoma, which is now a problem. It's
a cancer, it could be an aggressive cancer. It's spread everywhere,
and now it's considered to be terminal, which means that
she's not going to survive this cancer. It likely has
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spread throughout her body. So they're trying to start a
campaign called Melissa's Law that would require an abnormal or
enlarging lumps to be investigated with diagnostic imaging. So, like
I said, in a normal situation, if you go to
the doctor and this has happened before, that people get
blown off, obviously, like it's almost every single case in
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my book. But if you go to the doctor and
they tell you it's something, and then you go back
multiple times and keeps getting worse and worse and worse
and they're ignoring it, then like I understand why you
would want to create this kind of law for that,
But like I don't think that's the same as them saying, oh,
you have this, and then you know they might they
(21:13):
might look at an allsion on your face and say, oh,
that looks like it. It might just be like an
inflamed hair follicle. Right. Well, if you don't go back
to the doctor for ten years and all of a
sudden there's like a huge tumor eating your face, that's
that's kind of like you should have went back when
it got worse right away kind of a thing. Well,
(21:34):
I guess, Like, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I want to say, it seems dumb that you'd have
to enact this law because it should automatically be the
responsibility of if you can prove that they were blowing
you off right, if it ends up being something like cancer.
But this was in the UK, so I don't know
what they have, like a different healthcare system than we do,
so I don't know what the deal is with going
(21:55):
to specialist and whatever like that. But I see what
you're saying that it seems like it's partially mixed patient
responsibility and doctor responsibility. But then you have to think,
at the same time, if somebody over and over and
over again it is telling you it's fine, why are
you gonna believe it's not fine? But then when you
see how large this thing is, you're like, Okay, clearly
it wasn't fine. It's enormous.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. I mean, I just I was saying, because like,
in general in America, there's always gonna be bad doctors,
so you have to just keep that in mind. But
in general, in America, the rule is is that when
a patient presents with something, I think there's like like
an acronym like ABCDS of melanoma kind of thing. It
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kind of applies to any kind of mass, like when
it's abnormal shape and abnormal size increasing in size, like
that's all red flags for people, especially like momm like
you were saying, has that one in her arm, right,
if that thing started growing and getting bigger, it's like,
go get it checked out right away because something's not right,
Like they don't and benign tumors can grow too like that,
(23:02):
but it's but cancer can to, So you just want
to make sure you get that checked.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Out, all right. So in a kind of similar case,
a pregnant woman underwent surgery to remove fibroids weighing up
to twenty seven pounds, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So this this case is actually really interesting because she
had eight large fibroids before she came pregnant with her
second child. So a fibroid is called a lia myoma,
and that's also a benign. It's the most common benign
tumor of the uterus. So they but they can just
because especially in cases a li of myoma's just because
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they are called benign, they're they're not all the time
because they could get very large and they could cause
an extreme amount of pelvic pain. They also depending on
where their location is, they can press on other organs
and if they're if they're located in the wall or
beneath the lining of the uterus, they could protrude into
(24:01):
the uterine cavity and cause problems even getting pregnant. So
she had and lots of women have them. I would say,
if you took out everyone's uterus at ninety years old,
you would find one at least in someone's uterus. Like
they're just very, very common, but usually they're small. So
she had eight of them that were considered large, and
(24:24):
I guess she decided that she was going to get
pregnant anyway. They might have told her like they're not
that big, they shouldn't be a problem or whatever, So
she had these extra large fibroids. The pregnancy hormones, However,
once she got pregnant really like set them off and
(24:47):
they started growing out of control and getting really really big,
and within ten weeks she had gained twenty pounds on
top of the additional you know, pregnancy weight. I guess
that you're supposed to gain, although I think that that
happened to me too, and I just was eating too much.
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But sometimes, like we were talking about with the other
case too, Like sometimes when you have pregnancy hormones, they
really can they can really induce growth on certain kinds
of tumors and stuff. So that's why they always want
to keep an eye on it. It's the same thing.
Like you know that the girl that's on uh, the
woman that's on Fox News cat Timp. She's like she's
(25:31):
been very vocal about in all these magazines and stuff,
like she gave birth to her son and had was
diagnosed with breast cancer like that day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, I've been seeing it. That's happening a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, So like the pregnancy hormones just like kind of
exacerbated that, right, So it's the same exact thing that's
happening in this case. So she she goes, you know,
for examination, and they just basically say like listen, like
this is too bad. You're not going to be to
carry this baby, and we suggest that you terminate the
(26:03):
pregnancy and get an abortion basically, and she was just like, no,
I'm not doing that. And she was able to find
a doctor who was willing to do surgery on her
wall she was seventeen weeks pregnant to remove the fibroids,
and they were able to do it, and it was
a successful surgery. So she's still pregnant. She's expected to
(26:27):
deliver sometime this month, but she's full term at this point.
So what they would do is look with imaging to
see exactly where they were located, because if they were
located on the sirosa like the outer surface or even
within the wall towards like not, you know, you have
the baby growing in the middle of the uterus. So
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if they were on the outside of the uterus, you
could probably go in with like laparoscopically and just they
like pop out. It's weird, you could just like pull
them out there. They're these like little fibrous balls within
the muscle. So I mean they were able to get
it based on the location and not interrupt the pregnancy
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at all, which is which is really cool. I mean,
it's so risky, but.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Can you imagine if she did terminate the pregnancy and
then let later found out it was possible to do
the procedure.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm sure that, I mean, and that's what sucks
because when people like really want to have a pregnancy
and stuff and they don't want to terminate it, I
imagine it being a horrible decision to have to make,
and it happens sometimes that I mean, I don't know.
I I personally would have probably been the same way
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and just been like, let's see how this works out
kind of thing, like, I don't, I don't know. But
and I also would try to be getting other options
as well, because there's always somebody, I mean, they do
crazy fetal surgeries and things like that, Like there's always
somebody that that might do a procedure that another person
wouldn't do. But I do believe that women are told
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often to terminate and maybe it didn't need to be
done without you know, this mom just like did further
investigation and found somebody that would help her.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, I know of a story in the
last couple of years where some chick got an ultrasound
and then they figured out something was wrong with the
cervix and they told her there like your your pregnancy's
not gonna last. And then she got a second opinion.
They were like, we'll just do a curclage surgery and
then she had the baby, no problem. But can you
imagine if she didn't go for the second opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know why there
wouldn't be a second opinion in that case because that's
like a common thing. But I mean, and one of
my friends actually had she had cervic like pre cervical
cancer and had these cone biopsies, which are like pretty
extensive biopsies of the cervix before she got pregnant, so
her cervix also was like not very strong, and she
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delivered early on both of her kids, at like thirty
two and thirty four weeks. But that's like a known
thing that they could fix, so I'm not sure why
that happened in that particular case. This is like a
little bit more unique in the sense that the fibroids
like that they just got so large during pregnancy, so
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she didn't deliver the baby yet. So it's like not
one hundred percent like the end of the of a
happy story. But I mean, like if she already went
to term and is not having problems, then they might
want to deliver her early or something, just because she
had surgery on the uterus, just to make sure she's
not at risk for rupture or anything. But it's it's
just interesting, like it's a good tale to say, Like
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if somebody tells you some crazy shit like like that.
Maybe just go ask other people and see if you
could get help.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, for sure, all right, this one is awful. So
asurrogate is fighting for the life of the she is
carrying after the biological parents decided they want to terminate
the pregnancy due to the child being diagnosed with a
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heart condition.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
All right, So this this is actually really interesting because
I've never even thought about this. I mean, I've never
been in a situation where I had to get as arrogance,
so I just never really thought about all of the
possible what ifs. So she has this twenty week anatomy
scan and they find out that the baby has a
hypoplastic left heart syndrome. So it's a very severe congenital
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anomaly and it's not it usually is a fatal condition.
It requires multiple surgeries. So remember I told you that
I used to work with this one woman that her
daughter her it was the same thing. Her daughter was
like super young, got pregnant, got this diagnosis, and they
told her to terminate the pregnancy, and she didn't want to.
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She had the baby. The baby was born with this
condition like it was seen on ultrasoun and the baby
literally lived in the hospital for an entire year with
chest tubes and everything, and then ended up dying. Yeah,
it was just awful. It was so awful. And I
guess like this is why they they say to you,
like you might want to terminate because a lot of
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people I can't even imagine, like if you don't have
health insurance, how much something like that cost to keep
a baby like in an ice you kind of a
situation for that long, but just not only the cost
of it, just like it's like heart wrenching and and
and in the end, the baby died anyway, and and
like they would just send us pictures of this baby.
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It was so awful, Like they couldn't cold the baby.
It just was so willful. So so they're telling now
this woman that's carrying the baby, like it's not her baby,
it's it's the baby of the people that are paying
her to carry the baby for her. And she's saying like,
I don't want to get a termination. I don't want
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to do it. Like apparently there's like a clause that
she's supposed to get it done. So I guess all
of this stuff is like there's major contracts written up
when this happens and then so so like I don't know,
they threatened her with a two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars lawsuit and all this stuff, and I don't know,
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Like I'm kind of on the parents side of this, honestly,
Like if you're because ultimately, I mean, I guess the
thing is is that the mom the surrogate that's holding
the baby, is saying, I'll adopt a baby and take
the responsibility. But like the surrogate might not want their
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child to go through that, and might not want their
child to be out there and be in a hospital
for a year with all that stuff. And I guess
there's always a chance that a kid could survive something
or it's a misdiagnosis or something like that. But like
the parent, if the parents ultimately don't want it, they're
the ones that are making the decision, right, Like she's
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just kind of a vessel.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, yes, because what I was gonna say is, like
I understand morally she might be really against this. But
before I even got to the part of the article
that explained this is already covered in the contract, like
I imagined it would have to be. I imagine insurrogacy contracts,
every possible scenario has to be covered because you you
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just have to, like you have to. And yes, it's
like you're not like dehumanizing this person by saying they're
a vessel, because like in some regards they are, like
it's not their baby. They signed up to carry another
couple's babies. So like, this is a case, it's a
very bizarre situation because I don't know what I would
do in particular if this was my case, Like I'd
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really have to think about it. But like you're speaking
from a personal example. You knew where somebody didn't go
through with terminating the pregnancy and it ended up being
so much worse for them at the end.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But listen, like I if this, if this surrogate is
like pro life and all this, and she's like I
respect that she's like that and wants to save this
baby's life, but like you certainly should not be a
surrogate if you're like that militant because knowing that all
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of the possibilities and knowing if you know that that's
in the that's the clause of like the parents don't
want to bring a baby to term that might like
it could be any condition and encephale, like, what are
the chances that there's some that are really not compatible
with life at all that they well, I think there's
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like rarely a case of someone even surviving. And then
on top of that, like, Okay, so you have a
baby that's born without a brain or most of a
brain or only a brain stem or something like that,
Like a lot of people don't want to knowingly take
care of a child that that's going to be handicapped
for the rest of their life. Like that, all right,
that's their choice.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
It's their choice, But I don't agree with that. So
like let's say in this but that's their choice. I
know it is, but I'm saying, like this is where
I'm coming from my opinion, Like if this kid had
Down syndrome, for example, like I'd be one hundred percent
on the surrogate side, because like I wouldn't do that personally,
but I understand why people do. But I'm saying if
it was my personal choice, I would not make that
choice personally. But because this is a condition that's proved
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to not be compatible with life to an extent, like
if this child is not going to live past one
years old, I understand why people would go through the
determination and at the end of the day, it's not
her child. But you come into this gray area with
the sarrogacy because especially where this sarrogate is from in Alaska,
it's saying that a gestational surrogate does not keep permanent
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parental rights in valid. Agreement and parentage process are followed,
but parentage must be legally established through the courts rather
than being completed automatic. So like if they did not
yet go through that process of obtaining the parental rights,
like we're in this gray area of the surrogate might
still have the parental rights of this child if it was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
All that wasn't settled with the contract and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I think it depends on No, it's that's that's separate
from a contract, because remember I wrote about that lady
in New York that was like in her sixties having
a gajillion babies. There was an issue in that case
where I'm trying to remember off the top of my head,
but I think that so she had a saragate get
pregnant with twins, and then her husband did not want
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to go forward with that pregnancy, and then there was
felony charges because she went behind the husband's back to
try to obtain the parental rights, but he was not
present at the meeting and she was forging paperwork. So
because of that and the overlap in time between her
going to court to get the parental rights and the
surrogate giving birth, the surrogate or the children had to
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go in the state of the custody because the surrogate
did not want to keep the parental rights of that kid.
But that was in New York State, So I think
it depends on which state the surrogacy is happening in
and the process where you are in the process. So
she's due in September, so they might not have had
that court hearing yet to obtain the parental rights of
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the kid, because that is separate from the surrogacy contract.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, and now it's like, I mean, now now it's
a situation because now she's too far along.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But she's too far along. They're going to core over
it because they can't agree. They're saying she's doing it
for money grabbing purposes, and like you're I was.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You know, a part of me was thinking that too,
like does she just want the pregnancy to finish out?
So she can get. I mean, like, this is like
a really gross thing to even think about. But like
if she if she terminates at twenty weeks, Like I
don't know how much a surrogate gets paid, but let's
say they get paid fifty thousand dollars, So she terminates
at twenty week, does she get any of the money?
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Does she get half the money? Does she? Like? Well,
that is that even more.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That has to be covered in the contract because let's
say she had an issue where they had to terminate
the pregnancy because it was life threatening to the sarrogate,
So that has to be covered. All possible scenarios have
to be covered. So this is technically covered they're saying
in the surrogacy contract, but she's just not abiding by it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, So I mean, this is what sucks. And this
is like I actually I'm gonna talk to one of
my friends because I have a friend that used the
sarrogate twice. I'm curious because, like they said, they're gonna
threaten her with a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars lawsuit, Like,
there's a chance that this person that is the sarrogate
doesn't even have any kind of near money like that.
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Like some obviously people do it out of the kindness
of their heart and things like that, but a lot
of women just do it because they need money, right,
So you're just gonna sue them two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, Like that's still not gonna change the fact
that you now have a child on this earth that
you're responsible for that could potentially have like these horrible
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complications and stuff like like, this isn't a like if
you don't want to make that choice or whatever, the
surrogate doesn't want to make that choice, that's fine, but
like every like we live in America and it's everyone's
particular choice what they want to do with their family.
So like you can't just have this person step in
and be like this isn't right, Like it's not right,
but guess what, Like they have that option.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's what I'm saying. I understand if morally she's against it,
but she at the end of the day, it's not
her kid and she signed a contract.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But you can't even say that with you can't say
that with anything like if down, it doesn't matter if
it was downs, or like you can't put like a
level on like it's this or it's that.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Like I'm just saying, like what I was saying earlier
was I would have I would be more on her
side if it was something like that, Not that it's right.
I'm just saying I would be more on her side.
But she's still can't do that. Even if that's a
choice they made, it's still not her decision. It's not
her kid, and she's assigned a contract that I'm sure
lays every single situation out and she is but like, yeah,
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violation of it.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You can't like straddle her down and make her get
an abortion either or.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So like, well, this is why people want Sarahgacy band
because there's a lot of gray area with it. People
don't think it's right. Somebody like me, like I was
lucky to be able to carry my own child, but
I couldn't naturally conceive, So, like, you don't know what
these people's cases. We see celebrities.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Abuse my friend, Yeah, and my friend like legitimately has
like a serious heart condition and wasn't able to carry
your own child.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like you see celebrities abusing
the system because they don't want to have the burden
of being pregnant. But then there's people that actually, like
your friend can't carry their own kid, and it's not
fair that they can't biologically have their own kids. So
that's where Sarahgacy becomes awesome. But then there are just
a million issues you can see with it as well,
where people are either being taken advantage over this. I
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guess you could possibly try to. I don't. I'm just
using this word generalize like quote unquote stealing your kid
because they're not going to the court hearing for the
parental rights or they don't agree with the choices you're making.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
That's that's kind of what she's doing. Yes, she's like
she's like stealing their kid, like that's their kids.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
And so like they might have not had the hearing
yet about parental rights, and like technically she might have
the parental rights of this child right now, but she
signed a contract that it is their child and biologically
it is their child. So I wonder how this is
gonna pan out in court. She will not win. She
can't win because it's not her ginning.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
She's having. She's gonna have the baby. She's winning either way.
She's going the fine gonna.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
She's gonna have the baby, but like she's going to
be a core in bank the rest of her life
for violating a contract.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Who cares like she like she's winning.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It is it is a bizarre case. We don't see
these often, but is it is all over the place.
And this is not helping the generalized picture of sarrogacy,
and it's it's helping the people that are against it
because we're seeing a major problem with it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I mean, like saragacy is is like you have to
be like a really really strong woman to be able
to do it, because you have to be able to
to go through all of the hormones of pregnancy and
just all of like the good feelings of it and
and like disconnect from it completely because it's not you're
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you're getting attached to something that like has nothing to
do with you. You like, you have to be able
to detach, and this woman can't detach. She just can't.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
No, you have to, like you have to have that
fine line of being nurturing and caring for the child
and your body, but also understanding at the end of
the day, it is not yours. Yeah, so I could
never do it. Momm claims she could, but I don't
think she could ever.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I could do it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I could, you could do it?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I don't what have be pregnant and hand the kid over.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yes, no, I think emotionally you can do it. But
I wouldn't be pregnant. I wouldn't want to be pregnant.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I was saying she loved being pregnant so much that
she would have been a har Yeah, and she absolutely
would not be She would cry every day.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
She would just be like, oh my god, she can't
even put my baby down without crying.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, exactly, she would. She wouldn't be able to do that.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about a former Jeopardy winner who was
doing some creepy stuff. Then you won't believe this, but
another person was injured on the same escalator that we
talked about five months ago that led to a man's death.
Then we have two stories involving women with very large tumors.
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One story involves one who had a tumor that was
increasingly growing over time and was dismissed and now she
is terminal, and the other involves a complication of pregnancy.
They're both really interesting stories. Then we'll finish off with
a really upsetting case involving a surrogate and parental rights.
(01:01):
All that and more on today's episode. This Jeopardy Guy creepster.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Okay, So, former Jeopardy winner Joey Desenna has pleaded guilty
to two counts of felony secret peeping after hidden cameras
were located in his beach rentals and they proved he
was using them for sexual pleasure. I cannot believe that
is what this charge is called. I looked it up
and was like, this has to be the article, but no,
in North Carolina where this crime happened, that is the charge,
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felony secret peeping. It just sounds rating.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It does because it's it's all you think about, is
a guy with like an inspector gadget trench coat on.
It's like opening it up and showing people or like
of what do they call it, a flashing tom or something,
I don't know, peeping tom, peeping tom or yeah, like
I don't know. The whole thing is so weird. But
I guess what's interesting is that they did a what
(01:58):
they called a psycho sexual evaluation and said that he
would not be required I guess whatever they got from
that evaluation, they said he would not be required to
register as a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I don't like that one bit because I mean, clearly,
if he was hiding cameras in the bathroom and bedroom
of his rental property, and they proved he was using
them for sexual gratification, why is that not sex offender
behavior he did it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I think I think that they were saying because it
was because it was for self said, I don't know honestly, Like, obviously,
if he was using that footage and putting it on
only fans. Then there then he would definitely be considered
some kind of a sex offender.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right, you're a sex offender for personal use. That's sex
offender behavior. I'm sorry, Like just because it was personal
doesn't mean it's not sex offender behavior. Now, he violated
a woman's privacy and beat off to her.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, and I guess that's what's concerning because that's another
thing because I wouldn't even think about this. But when
you're doing when you're having like an Airbnb, I don't
know if it was a specifically airbnb, but it was
some kind of a rental thing. But when you're doing
something like that, they're not doing any kind of background
check on you to see if you're the homeowner is
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a criminal of any sort or if But like I would,
I guess I would want to know that if if
that was the case, because we say airbnbs all the time,
Like I would want to know if the person that
owned the house was like accused of doing something like
this before. But I guess you would never know.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know that for a fact, that they don't do
background checks before you sign up for Airbnb, like you
can just sign up today, no background chech and list something.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Oh I don't know, because I'm just saying I like
would this, but but like would it? Would they be
looking for sex offenders? And like would would something like
this come up to be like, you can't do this
anymore because you've violated customers.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
They have to. There's no way that they don't.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
But what what's the difference even if they do though,
because like let's say, okay, like when you rent a
house down the shore, that goes like through realtor or
sometimes you just call a phone number on the thing
like that. You there's ways to get around that. It's
not like he couldn't do it again.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
If they don't do that, they have to because this
could happen literally anywhere. I mean, it literally happened when
this guy didn't have a criminal record yet. So and
it seemingly he's not even getting in trouble for doing it,
which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
But he's in trouble I think he, I mean not
really like I would consider sixty sixty months of probation.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It's barely in trouble. Like you were seriously violating someone's
privacy and then using those images for yourself to get
off on it doesn't. It's just it's really gross, honest,
it's disgusting. And what really bothered me is that this
event happened. So the victim said this happen in October.
In December, he turned himself in and was released on
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five thousand dollars bond, which is ridiculous. But then they're
saying that he returned to film Jeopardy in January for
the Champions wild Card tournament. So like they let him
go back on television a month after he turned himself
in for.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
This If he didn't say anything, how would they know?
This is just ridiculous, That's what I'm telling you, Like
what like, how would they know anything?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's just like, so he won Jeopardy twice in November
twenty twenty four and earned forty four thousand dollars, So
did he use that money to install these cameras in
his beat rental?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, it's this is the thing, Like the woman found
it because she it said that she was staying at
a property for a wedding and discovered two black USB
wall chargers containing cameras in the bedroom and bathroom. Like again,
going with stupid criminals. There's probably ways to put a
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camera in that you wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It, like why, I mean we talked about that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
With can't you put it in like a like a
decoration or something that's like why would you put it
out there that somebody would be able to see what
it was and figure out that it was a camera?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Like it's just well, remember we had that story that
was in like what was it in Korea where that
guy was watching like secret porn like this it was
like hidden camera porn and then he found himself on
there or something. But those cameras were hidden in the vents,
so maybe it was hidden in a place. But I
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mean with all these tiktoks and everything now with people
like I don't know if you guys come across these
videos where people are like this is what you need
to do if you're staying in a hotel room and
it's like this crazy lock system on the door or whatever. Right,
But like now that this is out there, I think
there is some people that are straight up looking for
the cameras and some that notice something unusual and then
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end up finding them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I'm not really I'm not really sure what went down,
But I mean, like if you're staying there and you
notice it, then you clearly didn't do it good enough
job of hiding it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
No, and I mean I don't like that he doesn't
have to register as a sex vender. I mean that's
absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, it is, because what else was he
doing it for. It's not like he had a camera
on like the foyer and he was monitoring who was
coming and going from the front door. It was in
the bathroom and bedroom, Like what else could it be for?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
All right, So, as mentioned at the beginning of the episode,
a woman was injured on a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority escalator,
just five months after a man was killed on it,
which was a story we reported on back in May,
although his death happened in February.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yes, so if you remember, this guy was only forty
four years old and he tripped or sorry, he was
only forty years old, and he tripped and fell and
a piece of his clothing got stuck in the escalator
to the point where he couldn't get off. No one
stopped the escalator from moving, and it pulled his clothes
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in so much that it ended up causing asphyxiation and
killing him, like it closed off his neck. It was
that tight on him, so and he ended up dying
from that, which is ridiculous like that that, I mean,
for a young guy like that to die in that
kind of way in a populated area is just ridiculous.
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And now there's said, you know, we've heard from a
bunch of people that there's been accidents there before. This
is not the first time there's been an incident there,
And now another woman was injured there.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I mean, clearly something's wrong with the escalator if it's
catching people's clothing to the extent where they're getting injured
or dying.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
The thing is is that there's a lot of incidents
like this that happened in escalators that maybe aren't always
reported on. It's just kind of I think it's just
interesting because this particular case is like that guy died
and that was like a huge deal, and now it's
you know, I don't I don't think there's anything wrong
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with the escalator. Like all escalators do this. They're dangerous.
You just like, didn't you ever see mall rats that
kids back on the escalator again?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
But like, how often are people getting caught in them,
And then they're saying, in this case, a person who
was on the escalator ahead of the impacted person hit
the emergency stop. So like in the last case, nobody
hit the emergency stop which resulted in that guy choking
and dying. And if nobody hit it in this case again,
would this woman have also died?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, it depends like what part of her clothing got
stuck in it. But not only could it cause asphyxiation
like it did in that guy's case, but it could
cause like major like laceration injuries too, because it could
put if it pulls your your arm in or something
like that, like you you see on the injuries. I
have a couple in the gross room of people that
have they almost have this like.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It's it's like a paper shredder, dude, Like if you
stick a piece of paper in a paper shredder, you
know how it puts those lines in it. It's kind
of the same exact theory, Like it just sucks in.
You know, if you're next to a paper shredder and
you're wearing a scarf around your neck, it's gonna pull
you in and choke you out if you don't get
it out. I just feel like it's like the same
(10:12):
kind of a theory. So if you I mean that's
what the injuries look like. It almost looks like a
paper shredder went like across your skin.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I just feel like they can't have the right safety
guards or something going on on this because unless escalator
incidents are like this are just happening all the time,
like every escalator.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you think if it's if it's at a major
transportation center, let's say, and these are the only two
incidents that have happened in five months, when you have
millions of people going through there, Like I, I'm not
sure that it's like it's just you know, it's it's
funny because everyone's scared of elevators, but like escalator they
(10:50):
I just don't think that people are as scared because
they're out in the open, and you don't think of
that impending like claustrophobia, gross feeling, but like they're they're
an equal dangerous thing that could go wrong. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You know what's funny about this. The equating into my
mind is that we're talking about family vacation where we're
gonna go next year, and Louie brought up maybe going
on a train, and then Ricky refer to the train
as a land cruise, and like, in a way it
kind of is. But for me, I didn't like the
cruise because I don't like being like trapped, the sense
(11:22):
of like being trapped on the open water and at
least on a train your land. But they could still
be equally dangerous.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, and the train could derail, and also like there's
train tracks that go through several hours where there's no
there's no one to get you. I mean, I guess
you're thinking, like the water seems final.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, well I'm saying like if the train derails, there's
a chance that I'm still on land and can survive,
but like if the boat goes down, I might drown
because I can't tread water for day.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
God, you're just thinking like of Titanic or something.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Can I tell you? We were looking up So we're
at a cousin's kids birthday already on Sunday, and she
had this like awesome inflatable like slide water slide thing
for the kids, and Ricky was looking them up. And
then there's a Titanic when you can buy that's the
ship on an angle and the kids could go up
the back and like slide down the boat. It's really must.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
All right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
A thirty eight year old mother with a forty two
pound tumor has been officially diagnosed with terminal cancer after
the tumor was dismissed as fatty tissue for over a decade.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
This is one of those situations where you guys have
to see this to really know how crazy that it
looked in real life, because I guess she was. She
had a bump on her and she was diagnosed with
a light poma, which is the most common soft tissue tumor,
and it's a benign tumor that it's it's literally just
(12:53):
like a lot of fat cells get together and kind
of form a mass. So even when you look at it,
it just looks like a big globy fat. And people
when people get them, a lot of times because they're
so they are the most common. The doctor might look
at it and just say, you know, all right, well
you can get surgery to cut it out, but like
you could just keep an eye on it because it's
(13:14):
benign and a lot of times, like people like Gabe
has one on his like the side of his ribs,
it's not that big. My husband gets them all the time,
and it's kind of like, no, that's not what Ricky has.
Oh I thought, is that what mamms in her arm? Yeah,
because it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
They don't go away on their own. Okay, there, and
that's it. So so the one that Gabe has, they're
just like just keep kind of keep an eye on it,
and I, of course, who I am, I am keeping
an eye on it, but like it's the same size
it's been this whole time, Like it's you know what
I mean, it's not getting that big and stuff, and
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that doesn't necessarily still mean you're safe. Like I feel
like he should still get it addressed at some point.
But it's also like on his ribs and where his
arm moves and stuff, you know, it would it would pull,
And I just feel like it's gonna be like kind
of a lot of surgery to heal from for maybe
not necessary, you know, like cosmetically it's not in a
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weird spot or anything. But in this particular case, she
had it and then when she was pregnant that that's
when she first noticed it. And sometimes when you're pregnant
and we're gonna learn about this in the next story too,
like the hormones could could cause things to act different
in your body. So she just she said that it
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was getting larger and increasingly painful. But she was first
diagnosed it with the lippomet in two thousand and nine.
Now ten whole years later in twenty nineteen. They kept
telling her like, it's it's benign this and that she
she it's like to the point where it's interfering with walking,
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climbing stairs, and other daily activities. So my question is
is that in this tenure gap. I know that they
told her that it was a lipoma when she was pregnant,
but like, in this ten year gap, did anybody tell
like did she get it checked out? Because that's where
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my question is as far as like who's responsible for
this being a problem now?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She said at one point that somebody recommended getting a scan,
but then it just said but she never got an appointment,
So I'm like, did they not schedule her the appointment
or did she just not go to one. That's what
I was a little confused about. And then it was
like a question of a while, like you need to
just go get it removed. But it was a lot
of money, and then I guess finally when it started
(15:44):
bothering her enough, that's when she went to the plastic
surgeon who was like, this needs to be further evaluated,
and that's when they found out it was cancer. This
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Nobody knows exactly what happened. They think it might be
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like why why are you picking this particular timeframe and
not just going on standard time, Like why wouldn't you
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Speaker 2 (18:05):
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
So but but like if you, let's say, for example,
because this is like on her abdomen, and you have
a little mass that grows and the doctor tells you, okay,
that's a lipoma, Like you can't you can't just assume
that's what it is and not get it looked at
for almost ten years either as a patient, because then
(18:41):
that's kind of falls on you if it gets bigger
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
It just wasn't really clear.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wasn't it wasn't clear. So I don't know. I
don't know that because the way that it's written, they
want to say the doctor dismissed it as a as
a fatty tumor, which which is I don't think is
abnormal for a doctor to say that when it was small,
but like when it started getting out of control, then
obviously it's it's not right. So she goes and gets
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it checked out. Because when I saw the picture of
what she looks like now, the thing is forty two pounds. Okay,
so think about that, Like her belly looks like she's
got a pregnant belly hanging off, but it's not. It's
a tumor.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, but like not even because it's like kind of
off to the side.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's off to the side, and it's like very vascular
appearing and nodular appearance, like it looks angry, right, And
I'm thinking, like, when I'm reading this article, I'm just like,
there's no way she went to the doctor with this
and they said that this was a life plmet There's
no doctor in the world that said that, Like, I
just don't I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I don't believe that if there was, we need to
talk about the mal practice.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Like they need they need to like go away right away.
But so so I think that I think that it
could potentially be like partially patient responsibility too. I'm not
like one hundred percent sure, but so anyway, she finally
goes to a plastic surgeon to get it removed, and
they do a biopsy right away because obviously any normal
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doctor would be like, that's not good, and they find
out that it's leposarcoma, which is now a problem. It's
a cancer, it could be an aggressive cancer. It's spread everywhere,
and now it's considered to be terminal, which means that
she's not going to survive this cancer. It likely has
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spread throughout her body. So they're trying to start a
campaign called Melissa's Law that would require an abnormal or
enlarging lumps to be investigated with diagnostic imaging. So, like
I said, in a normal situation, if you go to
the doctor and this has happened before, that people get
blown off, obviously, like it's almost every single case in
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my book. But if you go to the doctor and
they tell you it's something, and then you go back
multiple times and keeps getting worse and worse and worse
and they're ignoring it, then like I understand why you
would want to create this kind of law for that,
But like I don't think that's the same as them saying, oh,
you have this, and then you know they might they
(21:13):
might look at an allsion on your face and say, oh,
that looks like it. It might just be like an
inflamed hair follicle. Right. Well, if you don't go back
to the doctor for ten years and all of a
sudden there's like a huge tumor eating your face, that's
that's kind of like you should have went back when
it got worse right away kind of a thing. Well,
(21:34):
I guess, Like, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I want to say, it seems dumb that you'd have
to enact this law because it should automatically be the
responsibility of if you can prove that they were blowing
you off right, if it ends up being something like cancer.
But this was in the UK, so I don't know
what they have, like a different healthcare system than we do,
so I don't know what the deal is with going
(21:55):
to specialist and whatever like that. But I see what
you're saying that it seems like it's partially mixed patient
responsibility and doctor responsibility. But then you have to think,
at the same time, if somebody over and over and
over again it is telling you it's fine, why are
you gonna believe it's not fine? But then when you
see how large this thing is, you're like, Okay, clearly
it wasn't fine. It's enormous.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah. I mean, I just I was saying, because like,
in general in America, there's always gonna be bad doctors,
so you have to just keep that in mind. But
in general, in America, the rule is is that when
a patient presents with something, I think there's like like
an acronym like ABCDS of melanoma kind of thing. It
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kind of applies to any kind of mass, like when
it's abnormal shape and abnormal size increasing in size, like
that's all red flags for people, especially like momm like
you were saying, has that one in her arm, right,
if that thing started growing and getting bigger, it's like,
go get it checked out right away because something's not right,
Like they don't and benign tumors can grow too like that,
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but it's but cancer can to, So you just want
to make sure you get that checked.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Out, all right. So in a kind of similar case,
a pregnant woman underwent surgery to remove fibroids weighing up
to twenty seven pounds, all right.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So this this case is actually really interesting because she
had eight large fibroids before she came pregnant with her
second child. So a fibroid is called a lia myoma,
and that's also a benign. It's the most common benign
tumor of the uterus. So they but they can just
because especially in cases a li of myoma's just because
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they are called benign, they're they're not all the time
because they could get very large and they could cause
an extreme amount of pelvic pain. They also depending on
where their location is, they can press on other organs
and if they're if they're located in the wall or
beneath the lining of the uterus, they could protrude into
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the uterine cavity and cause problems even getting pregnant. So
she had and lots of women have them. I would say,
if you took out everyone's uterus at ninety years old,
you would find one at least in someone's uterus. Like
they're just very, very common, but usually they're small. So
she had eight of them that were considered large, and
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I guess she decided that she was going to get
pregnant anyway. They might have told her like they're not
that big, they shouldn't be a problem or whatever, So
she had these extra large fibroids. The pregnancy hormones, However,
once she got pregnant really like set them off and
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they started growing out of control and getting really really big,
and within ten weeks she had gained twenty pounds on
top of the additional you know, pregnancy weight. I guess
that you're supposed to gain, although I think that that
happened to me too, and I just was eating too much.
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But sometimes, like we were talking about with the other
case too, Like sometimes when you have pregnancy hormones, they
really can they can really induce growth on certain kinds
of tumors and stuff. So that's why they always want
to keep an eye on it. It's the same thing.
Like you know that the girl that's on uh, the
woman that's on Fox News cat Timp. She's like she's
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been very vocal about in all these magazines and stuff,
like she gave birth to her son and had was
diagnosed with breast cancer like that day.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, I've been seeing it. That's happening a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, So like the pregnancy hormones just like kind of
exacerbated that, right, So it's the same exact thing that's
happening in this case. So she she goes, you know,
for examination, and they just basically say like listen, like
this is too bad. You're not going to be to
carry this baby, and we suggest that you terminate the
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pregnancy and get an abortion basically, and she was just like, no,
I'm not doing that. And she was able to find
a doctor who was willing to do surgery on her
wall she was seventeen weeks pregnant to remove the fibroids,
and they were able to do it, and it was
a successful surgery. So she's still pregnant. She's expected to
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deliver sometime this month, but she's full term at this point.
So what they would do is look with imaging to
see exactly where they were located, because if they were
located on the sirosa like the outer surface or even
within the wall towards like not, you know, you have
the baby growing in the middle of the uterus. So
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if they were on the outside of the uterus, you
could probably go in with like laparoscopically and just they
like pop out. It's weird, you could just like pull
them out there. They're these like little fibrous balls within
the muscle. So I mean they were able to get
it based on the location and not interrupt the pregnancy
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at all, which is which is really cool. I mean,
it's so risky, but.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Can you imagine if she did terminate the pregnancy and
then let later found out it was possible to do
the procedure.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Well, I'm sure that, I mean, and that's what sucks
because when people like really want to have a pregnancy
and stuff and they don't want to terminate it, I
imagine it being a horrible decision to have to make,
and it happens sometimes that I mean, I don't know.
I I personally would have probably been the same way
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and just been like, let's see how this works out
kind of thing, like, I don't, I don't know. But
and I also would try to be getting other options
as well, because there's always somebody, I mean, they do
crazy fetal surgeries and things like that, Like there's always
somebody that that might do a procedure that another person
wouldn't do. But I do believe that women are told
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often to terminate and maybe it didn't need to be
done without you know, this mom just like did further
investigation and found somebody that would help her.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, I mean, I know of a story in the
last couple of years where some chick got an ultrasound
and then they figured out something was wrong with the
cervix and they told her there like your your pregnancy's
not gonna last. And then she got a second opinion.
They were like, we'll just do a curclage surgery and
then she had the baby, no problem. But can you
imagine if she didn't go for the second opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know why there
wouldn't be a second opinion in that case because that's
like a common thing. But I mean, and one of
my friends actually had she had cervic like pre cervical
cancer and had these cone biopsies, which are like pretty
extensive biopsies of the cervix before she got pregnant, so
her cervix also was like not very strong, and she
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delivered early on both of her kids, at like thirty
two and thirty four weeks. But that's like a known
thing that they could fix, so I'm not sure why
that happened in that particular case. This is like a
little bit more unique in the sense that the fibroids
like that they just got so large during pregnancy, so
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she didn't deliver the baby yet. So it's like not
one hundred percent like the end of the of a
happy story. But I mean, like if she already went
to term and is not having problems, then they might
want to deliver her early or something, just because she
had surgery on the uterus, just to make sure she's
not at risk for rupture or anything. But it's it's
just interesting, like it's a good tale to say, Like
(29:40):
if somebody tells you some crazy shit like like that.
Maybe just go ask other people and see if you
could get help.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
No, for sure, all right, this one is awful. So
asurrogate is fighting for the life of the she is
carrying after the biological parents decided they want to terminate
the pregnancy due to the child being diagnosed with a
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heart condition.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
All right, So this this is actually really interesting because
I've never even thought about this. I mean, I've never
been in a situation where I had to get as arrogance,
so I just never really thought about all of the
possible what ifs. So she has this twenty week anatomy
scan and they find out that the baby has a
hypoplastic left heart syndrome. So it's a very severe congenital
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anomaly and it's not it usually is a fatal condition.
It requires multiple surgeries. So remember I told you that
I used to work with this one woman that her
daughter her it was the same thing. Her daughter was
like super young, got pregnant, got this diagnosis, and they
told her to terminate the pregnancy, and she didn't want to.
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She had the baby. The baby was born with this
condition like it was seen on ultrasoun and the baby
literally lived in the hospital for an entire year with
chest tubes and everything, and then ended up dying. Yeah,
it was just awful. It was so awful. And I
guess like this is why they they say to you,
like you might want to terminate because a lot of
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people I can't even imagine, like if you don't have
health insurance, how much something like that cost to keep
a baby like in an ice you kind of a
situation for that long, but just not only the cost
of it, just like it's like heart wrenching and and
and in the end, the baby died anyway, and and
like they would just send us pictures of this baby.
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It was so awful, Like they couldn't cold the baby.
It just was so willful. So so they're telling now
this woman that's carrying the baby, like it's not her baby,
it's it's the baby of the people that are paying
her to carry the baby for her. And she's saying like,
I don't want to get a termination. I don't want
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to do it. Like apparently there's like a clause that
she's supposed to get it done. So I guess all
of this stuff is like there's major contracts written up
when this happens and then so so like I don't know,
they threatened her with a two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars lawsuit and all this stuff, and I don't know,
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Like I'm kind of on the parents side of this, honestly,
Like if you're because ultimately, I mean, I guess the
thing is is that the mom the surrogate that's holding
the baby, is saying, I'll adopt a baby and take
the responsibility. But like the surrogate might not want their
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child to go through that, and might not want their
child to be out there and be in a hospital
for a year with all that stuff. And I guess
there's always a chance that a kid could survive something
or it's a misdiagnosis or something like that. But like
the parent, if the parents ultimately don't want it, they're
the ones that are making the decision, right, Like she's
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just kind of a vessel.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Well, yes, because what I was gonna say is, like
I understand morally she might be really against this. But
before I even got to the part of the article
that explained this is already covered in the contract, like
I imagined it would have to be. I imagine insurrogacy contracts,
every possible scenario has to be covered because you you
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just have to, like you have to. And yes, it's
like you're not like dehumanizing this person by saying they're
a vessel, because like in some regards they are, like
it's not their baby. They signed up to carry another
couple's babies. So like, this is a case, it's a
very bizarre situation because I don't know what I would
do in particular if this was my case, Like I'd
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really have to think about it. But like you're speaking
from a personal example. You knew where somebody didn't go
through with terminating the pregnancy and it ended up being
so much worse for them at the end.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But listen, like I if this, if this surrogate is
like pro life and all this, and she's like I
respect that she's like that and wants to save this
baby's life, but like you certainly should not be a
surrogate if you're like that militant because knowing that all
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of the possibilities and knowing if you know that that's
in the that's the clause of like the parents don't
want to bring a baby to term that might like
it could be any condition and encephale, like, what are
the chances that there's some that are really not compatible
with life at all that they well, I think there's
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like rarely a case of someone even surviving. And then
on top of that, like, Okay, so you have a
baby that's born without a brain or most of a
brain or only a brain stem or something like that,
Like a lot of people don't want to knowingly take
care of a child that that's going to be handicapped
for the rest of their life. Like that, all right,
that's their choice.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
It's their choice, But I don't agree with that. So
like let's say in this but that's their choice. I
know it is, but I'm saying, like this is where
I'm coming from my opinion, Like if this kid had
Down syndrome, for example, like I'd be one hundred percent
on the surrogate side, because like I wouldn't do that personally,
but I understand why people do. But I'm saying if
it was my personal choice, I would not make that
choice personally. But because this is a condition that's proved
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to not be compatible with life to an extent, like
if this child is not going to live past one
years old, I understand why people would go through the
determination and at the end of the day, it's not
her child. But you come into this gray area with
the sarrogacy because especially where this sarrogate is from in Alaska,
it's saying that a gestational surrogate does not keep permanent
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parental rights in valid. Agreement and parentage process are followed,
but parentage must be legally established through the courts rather
than being completed automatic. So like if they did not
yet go through that process of obtaining the parental rights,
like we're in this gray area of the surrogate might
still have the parental rights of this child if it was.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
All that wasn't settled with the contract and everything.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I think it depends on No, it's that's that's separate
from a contract, because remember I wrote about that lady
in New York that was like in her sixties having
a gajillion babies. There was an issue in that case
where I'm trying to remember off the top of my head,
but I think that so she had a saragate get
pregnant with twins, and then her husband did not want
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to go forward with that pregnancy, and then there was
felony charges because she went behind the husband's back to
try to obtain the parental rights, but he was not
present at the meeting and she was forging paperwork. So
because of that and the overlap in time between her
going to court to get the parental rights and the
surrogate giving birth, the surrogate or the children had to
(37:02):
go in the state of the custody because the surrogate
did not want to keep the parental rights of that kid.
But that was in New York State, So I think
it depends on which state the surrogacy is happening in
and the process where you are in the process. So
she's due in September, so they might not have had
that court hearing yet to obtain the parental rights of
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the kid, because that is separate from the surrogacy contract.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, and now it's like, I mean, now now it's
a situation because now she's too far along.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
But she's too far along. They're going to core over
it because they can't agree. They're saying she's doing it
for money grabbing purposes, and like you're I was.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
You know, a part of me was thinking that too,
like does she just want the pregnancy to finish out?
So she can get. I mean, like, this is like
a really gross thing to even think about. But like
if she if she terminates at twenty weeks, Like I
don't know how much a surrogate gets paid, but let's
say they get paid fifty thousand dollars, So she terminates
at twenty week, does she get any of the money?
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Does she get half the money? Does she? Like? Well,
that is that even more.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That has to be covered in the contract because let's
say she had an issue where they had to terminate
the pregnancy because it was life threatening to the sarrogate,
So that has to be covered. All possible scenarios have
to be covered. So this is technically covered they're saying
in the surrogacy contract, but she's just not abiding by it.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, So I mean, this is what sucks. And this
is like I actually I'm gonna talk to one of
my friends because I have a friend that used the
sarrogate twice. I'm curious because, like they said, they're gonna
threaten her with a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars lawsuit, Like,
there's a chance that this person that is the sarrogate
doesn't even have any kind of near money like that.
(38:48):
Like some obviously people do it out of the kindness
of their heart and things like that, but a lot
of women just do it because they need money, right,
So you're just gonna sue them two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, Like that's still not gonna change the fact
that you now have a child on this earth that
you're responsible for that could potentially have like these horrible
(39:09):
complications and stuff like like, this isn't a like if
you don't want to make that choice or whatever, the
surrogate doesn't want to make that choice, that's fine, but
like every like we live in America and it's everyone's
particular choice what they want to do with their family.
So like you can't just have this person step in
and be like this isn't right, Like it's not right,
but guess what, Like they have that option.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's what I'm saying. I understand if morally she's against it,
but she at the end of the day, it's not
her kid and she signed a contract.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
But you can't even say that with you can't say
that with anything like if down, it doesn't matter if
it was downs, or like you can't put like a
level on like it's this or it's that.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Like I'm just saying, like what I was saying earlier
was I would have I would be more on her
side if it was something like that, Not that it's right.
I'm just saying I would be more on her side.
But she's still can't do that. Even if that's a
choice they made, it's still not her decision. It's not
her kid, and she's assigned a contract that I'm sure
lays every single situation out and she is but like, yeah,
(40:11):
violation of it.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You can't like straddle her down and make her get
an abortion either or.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So like, well, this is why people want Sarahgacy band
because there's a lot of gray area with it. People
don't think it's right. Somebody like me, like I was
lucky to be able to carry my own child, but
I couldn't naturally conceive, So, like, you don't know what
these people's cases. We see celebrities.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Abuse my friend, Yeah, and my friend like legitimately has
like a serious heart condition and wasn't able to carry
your own child.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like you see celebrities abusing
the system because they don't want to have the burden
of being pregnant. But then there's people that actually, like
your friend can't carry their own kid, and it's not
fair that they can't biologically have their own kids. So
that's where Sarahgacy becomes awesome. But then there are just
a million issues you can see with it as well,
where people are either being taken advantage over this. I
(41:00):
guess you could possibly try to. I don't. I'm just
using this word generalize like quote unquote stealing your kid
because they're not going to the court hearing for the
parental rights or they don't agree with the choices you're making.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
That's that's kind of what she's doing. Yes, she's like
she's like stealing their kid, like that's their kids.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
And so like they might have not had the hearing
yet about parental rights, and like technically she might have
the parental rights of this child right now, but she
signed a contract that it is their child and biologically
it is their child. So I wonder how this is
gonna pan out in court. She will not win. She
can't win because it's not her ginning.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
She's having. She's gonna have the baby. She's winning either way.
She's going the fine gonna.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
She's gonna have the baby, but like she's going to
be a core in bank the rest of her life
for violating a contract.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Who cares like she like she's winning.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
It is it is a bizarre case. We don't see
these often, but is it is all over the place.
And this is not helping the generalized picture of sarrogacy,
and it's it's helping the people that are against it
because we're seeing a major problem with it.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
I mean, like saragacy is is like you have to
be like a really really strong woman to be able
to do it, because you have to be able to
to go through all of the hormones of pregnancy and
just all of like the good feelings of it and
and like disconnect from it completely because it's not you're
(42:34):
you're getting attached to something that like has nothing to
do with you. You like, you have to be able
to detach, and this woman can't detach. She just can't.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
No, you have to, like you have to have that
fine line of being nurturing and caring for the child
and your body, but also understanding at the end of
the day, it is not yours. Yeah, so I could
never do it. Momm claims she could, but I don't
think she could ever.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I could do it.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I could, you could do it?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I don't what have be pregnant and hand the kid over.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yes, no, I think emotionally you can do it. But
I wouldn't be pregnant. I wouldn't want to be pregnant.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I was saying she loved being pregnant so much that
she would have been a har Yeah, and she absolutely
would not be She would cry every day.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
She would just be like, oh my god, she can't
even put my baby down without crying.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, exactly, she would. She wouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
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