Today, we are joined by former nurse and Reiki master Amy Loughren to discuss the latest news stories! We talk about a recent hot car death, a toddler found alive in the morgue after being pronounced dead, a nurse who killed two patients, and our bad experiences with weed.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a repeat guest,
our friend Amy Lochrin on today. You guys might know
her as the Good Nurse. We're going to talk to
her today about some cases in the news involving weed
and maybe we'll discuss some personal experiences or shall I
say negative personal experiences, and then we'll get into a
(00:43):
subject Amy is very familiar with, which is what happens
when a nurse kills a patient, either intentionally, by accident,
by negligence. So all that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hi, Amy, hell.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh, and today we are talking about My most challenging
subject is baby is being left in cars.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's the worst. I mean, yesterday's episode we are talking
about like a couple child abuse cases that have come up,
and then it was a lot of the last couple
of weeks, and like, now that I have a baby,
I just can't imagine. I mean before I could not
imagine anybody that would stoop to that level of child
abuse or just negligence to that capacity. But now that
I have this little angelic face to stare at every day,
(01:37):
I really just can't imagine it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, no, absolutely not. And yeah, when you set me
the stories to read immediately, I said, I normally just
block everything like that out because it's it is so
disturbing to me. Traumoners. Of course, my worst deaths were children.
(02:06):
Of course, children dying in my arms. And there was
one case I remember years and years ago. I was
a baby verse, I was probably twenty five twenty six
years old in the.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Er and two deaf parents came in with their nine
month old that had been been obviously in the backseat
strapped in and had choked, and neither one of them
heard it, and so they pull up to the doors
and I have to pull this baby out.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And it left this scar on me, this traumatic moral
injury of not being able to deal with that because
a normal person supposed to freak out stream cry, that's
(03:05):
a normal response, but when you are in healthcare, you
have to completely push all of that down and be
it the professional that you are and you're not allowed
to really grieve any of that. And yeah, so it
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it just left this hole in me. So anytime that
there's there's something in the news like what we're going
to be talking about I just I just completely block
it out because I have PTSD.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I understand that, and the reason that that's one
of our stories. It just allso happened to come together
really great for this episode because it started off with
you saw the clip that we made two weeks ago
when I was had Gandhi on the show and we
were talking about weed. And for those of you who
(04:10):
didn't hear the exact thing that we were talking about,
it was in Massachusetts they're actually putting on the ballot.
To you know, over the past couple of years, it's
been like let's legalize marijuana, where they're actually putting it
on the ballot, like should we make it illegal again?
And Gandhi and I were discussing why we should. She's
(04:32):
kind of a pro legalization, and I'm like, all right,
this is one thing I'm going to argue with you
about Maria. You weren't there because I know that we've
gotten into arguments with it about it before.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So then Amy DMed me and was just like.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, oh, yeah, I would like I would really
like to talk about that, and I said, yeah, dude,
I had a bad experience, and then you were like,
so did I so, and then it just so happens
that there's a couple stories like the one we were
just talking about, which we'll get into more detail with,
and another one that involved weed just so happened to
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be this week alone, because so many people are always like, oh,
it's this herb and it doesn't kill anybody, And I
could tell you right now that it's killed two people.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
This week indirectly.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right, So, Rie, why don't you start off with, uh,
We'll start off with the stories, and then we'll finish
off the funny note or at least mind STEMI funny
although it wasn't at the time.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You're absolutely not funny for other people. All right, start
off with this, start off with the hot car death.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So first, a couple of weeks ago, a dad thought
he dropped his fourteen month old daughter at daycare and
didn't realize what happened until his wife called him that
afternoon to say when she went to pick her up,
she was not there. So it turns off that it
turns out that he dropped off their older kid at
a sports camp and then was supposed to drop off
to tyler at daycare. He did not do so, so
reportedly they're saying that this has to do with weed,
(06:03):
and that he had a prior DUI for driving with
weed and a vaping device was found in the car.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So his his talks has been done. So they tested
him for the marijuana. The police said that his eyes
were bloodshot and the pattern of the THHD that was
in his system not only shows that he was actively high,
but he's been a chronic user too, because it was that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, And not to interrupt you, but I think that
there is this this misconception that when you test for
weed that it is a positive or a negative test.
And so when people are people are brought in and
(06:53):
they do talk studies, it's not only just to find
weed in the system, because anyone can argue, well, I
had an edible two weeks ago, of course it's going
to still be in my system, but I did not
actively smoke today. I did not actively have any THC today,
(07:16):
And that is completely inaccurate the tox studies that we do.
When you're in those situations and even when you come
into the er, there is a level in our toxicology
that tells what you are in that moment and how
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high you are in that moment. And his levels were
off the charts, so he was not just a chronic user,
which the toxicology report did show that he was a
chronic user. It showed that he had been smoking literally
all day long.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And I was talking about this with Gandhi on our episode,
Like I had brought my daughter to the Children's hospital
in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago, and I got
in the elevator and this the family had their kid,
and it just stunk like weeds so bad in the elevator,
And I'm just thinking, like you, we were in the
(08:20):
elevator coming from the parking garage going up to the floor,
and I'm like, you just got out of the car
and either just smoked in front of your child or
smoked at home to the point where I smell it.
Why are you have to be high right now to
take your kid to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I just personally don't under like I used to smoke
a lot of weed. Like I'll fully admit that, right,
I haven't in a couple of years since I started
to try to get pregnant and I have now had
a kid. But I don't understand, like as somebody that
at one time was smoking almost every single day. I
don't understand how people smell so strong in public. My
house never smelled, my clothes never spelled, my car never
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smelled like what people doing it. It's most so strong you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Think, you know, you may not have smelled it. Yeah, However, Nani,
who is very, very sensitive to it, I can imagine
that I would have been able to smell it on you.
And that's another thing is that people that are chronic
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users really genuinely believe that they are just pulling this
off and you're not.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'm only confident in my house didn't smell because this
Karen right here would have had no problem screaming, well, cigarette.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You could say the same about cigarette smokers, like their
their habits are completely disgusting. You're in the line at
Dunkin Donuts and they throw the cigarette out on the
street and it's common in your car, and their clothes smell,
their hair smells, and they don't even think anything of
it because they're used to it, and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Squirt themselves with perfium and now, oh yes, that's the
worst smell, like a genity cigarette.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Good reference, Yeah, like explanation or sunflowers from.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah. So like so, when you're high, on THHC.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Right, it affects your memory, attention, reaction time, judgment, routine
task following, like dropping your kid off, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And memory issues. Memory so he couldn't even remember that
he didn't drop his kid out, Like yeah, it is.
It is something that is so much more dangerous that
we obviously it is this like open world now that
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there isn't the stigma that is attached to smoking weed.
I think, especially with me growing up, was a huge stigma.
But it's very much out in the open now and
it is so dangerous. It's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
We need to bring the stigma back.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when people say that no one's ever died from marijuana,
like and this is one example this week, Yes this
child has died because of marijuana. That it's it's all
written out here right now. And where was this guy going?
Did they say where he went after he dropped the
kids off or he was just like at the dispensary.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh cool, really nice.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Could you imagine being this wife married to such a loser,
like picking your kid up and your kid's not there
and finding out that your husband had was like go
into the dispensary and getting high and like killed one
of your kids, like you're a loser.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I mean, the worst case we ever covered with this
was that guy in Arizona that not only left the
kid in the car, but repeatedly left all the kids
in the hot car. The wife had yelled at him
about it in the past. She was a doctor and
he was a total loser at home, and then only
to discover that he was like playing video games and
watching porn while his child was cooking to death in
their car in the driveway. I don't understand. And it's like,
(12:15):
so often are there many cases where it's the mother
leaving the kid in the car or are they almost
all exclusively your father.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I actually did look up the statistics yesterday. So there's
been ten deaths this year so far of children being
I think that are reported right now, children being left
in the car. Four of them were in Florida, all men.
It was all dams for that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Wait, let me tell you, guys, this just so happened
to come across my feed yesterday. And I don't know
if this is an old video or if they're talking
about this actual case, but Anderson Cooper is interviewing Sonny Hasta, right,
and she's kind of speaking out about this because she
says that she understands how hot car deaths happen.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You're not gonna believe.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
This when I tell you, and when you when you
guys see this video. She was saying that her kid
was fourteen months old in the car and her and
her husband went to home depot and they both got
out of the car, walked across the parking lot, got
a shopping car, walked past the car, went in the store,
and she was in the garden section, and five minutes later,
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her husband came up to her and was like, the
baby's still in.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
The car, Like, what excuse me? She's I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I'm just like, like, I guess credit that she that
she's saying it out loud, like this could happen to anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
But I'm just like, I just don't even understand that
I am currently at peak newborn exhaustion right now and
can't imagine this. Even when I'm driving him in the car,
I checked the mirror three thousand times to make sure
he's back.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
There, and I get hearn a car. And there have
been instances with mothers who are going through sleep deprivation, psychosis,
and there are episodes of that psychotic behavior where you
believe that you have done a specific thing with a baby,
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like put them in the crib, but you're so sleep
deprived and psychotic that you didn't realize that you left
them somewhere else. I can imagine that happening because sleep
deprivation psychosis in newborn mothers. It's a real thing, and
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people really do not talk about it enough, and especially
in our culture where we don't live with a group
of people. Women used to be able to sleep when
they had their newborns. They used to be able to rest.
There were other women that were in the home and
in the village that would care for your child, so
(15:02):
you can actually sleep, and we don't have that now.
That isolation clause in psychosis. So I can understand it
happening to a new foreign because of that, and especially
that the women can have absolutely no support and if
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they don't have support from their partner or their family,
I you know, I really feel for them, but you know,
it is unfortunately, it's it's one of the problems of
our culture here in the US.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's it's kind of crazy because I've had a kid
since I've been fifteen years old, so it's like I've
always had that lingering feeling of like there's like someone
else I'm responsible for. So I wonder if it's with
sunny hostage, Like maybe if you're like a little bit older,
when you have your kid for the first time and
you're well established in your life, that I could understand
(16:01):
like maybe one parent forgetting, but two parents going like
you went into a home depot and we're looking around
at plants and didn't realize that you didn't have your child.
It's like mind blowing to me.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
There, I.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Don't understand.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I also feel this is so mortifying that like keep
it to yourself. You should be so embarrassed that this happened,
Like I guess some people want to try to bring
awareness to it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Should we be sure not everything needs to go on
the undernet?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
No, No, it is chronic oversharer and I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But it's kind of similar, Like we were just talking
about this with all of these news stories of like
these women coming out and saying I regret having kids,
and you're just kind of like, Okay, maybe you shouldn't
say that out loud because your kid might see this
video one day.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or whatever. But I just think, like, if you're gonna
say it, say it to the appropriate parties, like maybe
don't tell your children or like publicly, or tell your grandchild.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
A trusted friend.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, because how do you think, like your kids are
like descendants of your kids will feel when you're like,
I should have never had kids, and you're like, well,
I'm a byproduct of that decision, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I have said to my kids, both of my daughters,
that I had planned on never having kids because I
had such a horrible childhood that I was I was
genuinely terrified to be a mother because I was so
worried that I was going to completely mess them up,
(17:45):
and that I didn't have I didn't I didn't have
good role models. I had no idea what a good
current looked like. I could read about it, I could
look at I could watch TV, but I really had
absolutely no idea what good parenting looked like. And so
when I became pregnant, it was an oopsie being pregnant
(18:09):
with my oldest daughter. It was on the hill at
the time, and I just, I really I I just
had to read everything. Everything. I read every book, everything
that I passively could, but they both understand why I
didn't want to have children. And then after I had Alex,
(18:32):
my oldest if was I really don't want to make
for an only child, so I ended up petting Maya.
So I always say that Maya was absolutely for Alex,
not the mean.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I think that that's totally normal that a lot
of I hear that from a lot of my friends
that grew up with a with a bad childhood, that
they are very hesitant to do it. But it's I
feel like it's a move now to be like, I
really you know it. But Maria's I was saying, I
don't mind it because I do think that there is
(19:07):
a lot of societal pressure for women to have children
and men too, and they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know. Yeah, I think that TikTok. There's entire communities
that are coming together and not having children and being
so supportive of that, and there is community in and
I think that the pressure has gone down.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, for sure. So I don't I'm not like against it.
And same with Sonny Hasta. I guess, like I guess
she's just trying to say we should maybe not be
so harsh on these parents for leaving their kids in
the car.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It just seems like it's.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Kind of new, right, Like, I don't remember this happened
and when we were younger.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I am trying to think about.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
As a as a trauma nurse and in the eighties,
if I've ever dealt with that.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And I don't, I really don't recall. I think a
lot of it also has to do with the car
seats and that there's not a visual because kids are
turned around and you're just seeing the car seat. You're
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not actually interacting with their face. So and again I'm
just kind of making that up, but that that seems
like something up was different. I mean, I grew up
without car seats, but.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, exactly. Do you think like the distractions have something
to do with it too? You just like have your phone,
you of your podcast, you have music, there's a lot
going on, ye have your GPS.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah maybe, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
But there was another case too that just happened where
this other dad left his twenty three month old son
in the back of the car also forgetting to drop
the boy off at school, and the daycare owner said
that the dad arrived to pick up the sun they
were like, he never showed up and then that's when
the dad realized that he was in the back seat,
still so off. When my kids went to daycare, if
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we didn't show up, they knew that, Okay, you're an
everyday person. If we didn't show up in the morning,
they would call and be like, are you coming in today?
And then I'd be like, shit, sorry, I forgot to
call you and tell you I wasn't coming. Every day
they would call very early, like an hour after you know,
That's what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But this day, this daycare said that they call at
the end of the week to see why a person
was out. And this family's been going there, I said.
I think they sent like three of their kids there.
They like really knew them.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
They called the end of the week, that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, maybe they just call to be like, does
your kid have some communicable disease.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I'm not sure that they're calling to check. Okay, Well,
that policy seems completely idiotic. I'm sorry. How hard is
it to make a phone call?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, my five year old granddaughter has been going to
BPK here in Florida for a year and she had
to Yeah, they actually have to call them or let
them know the night before that they're not coming in,
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And I mean it is written policy that they need
to know that the child is not going to be there,
so they will call in the morning, and the second
that it's time for your kid to start daycare, they
will be sending out calls to find out where your child.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm not blaming the daycare policy on what happened here,
but I think it could have maybe been a little
helping hand in this situation. Like that just seems dumb
because even if they're calling to see if the kid's sick,
don't you think they should know that immediately if all
the other children were exposed that day rather than a
week later.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'm just wondering if they are also something up with
this dad that they are the bear is you know,
some mental health concerns, because how do you go your
entire day and not remember whether you dropped your child off? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, like nothing clicks at any point.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That Yeah, yeah, like I do remember. I do recall,
especially working night shifts and I would be sixteen hour shifts.
Talk about sleep deprivation. I was on a hall Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
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and then I would drive home from New Jersey to
upstate New York after three sixteen hour ships in a row.
Hadn't slept the night before because I worked all night
on Sunday night driving home. Yes, I had memory issues.
I was hallucinating. I should not have been on the road.
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There definitely should be laws against this.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But my.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Capacity to remember anything at that time was completely impaired.
So was there something with this dad that there's some
mental health thing that's going on, or perhaps there is,
you know, something going on with his job that he
(24:53):
was so distracted. I just feel like there's a deeper
story here.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Also, you know, when I was working full time and
I would drop the kids off or Gabe would drop
the kids off, we text each other like all day,
how was drop off? How were they this morning?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Like there's no communication between these parents all day to.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
How did you know? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That's like it like every single night, if Gabe's at
work or something whole text me and just be like
how were the girls today? Yeah, it's like a normal conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
YEA, Well you're you two. You are also in a
good marriage because, like I we talk about all the time,
like people that get married to like check the box.
They have the kids to check the box. They're living
this day to day life and they're absolutely miserable. They
might not text their spouse all day because they hate
each other and they don't even want to be in
the marriage. And then you could look at that. I
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mean a lot of these cases we see there's issues.
Think about that. Data was just talking about in Arizona
last year or a couple of years ago, they killed
the kid and was watching porn. Like, once that story
came out, there was like a whole Pandora's box open
of marital issues that they were having. Right, So you
could probably see that in a lot of these cases
as a contributing factor.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I agree, there's definitely something deeper. Were there charges
brought up against that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
So I was gonna say in this case that we're
talking about right now, there's been no charges yet. But
the other guy, the weed guy, he was charged with
third degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, endangering the welfare of a child,
recklessly endangering another person, and leaving a child unattended in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
A motor vehicle. They're like throwing it at him.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Wait, I guess that's the question too. I guess That
is the question too, though, is like, if this was
really a situation of sleep deprivation and whatever not that
it's acceptable. I'm just saying, if it was purely an accident,
what's the appropriate charge, right, is it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Man?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Slow? Like, where do we go from here?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
There was such a good show. It was called Servant
and it was about this this exact subject, to this
woman on a sleep deprivation. Her husband was was out
of town, a really really famous, famous guy, and she
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kept telling him she needed help, she needed help. He
wasn't helping her. And then he just leaves her, and
she leaves her child in the car, and she goes
and lays down and falls asleep, and then they she
has this psychotic break and they replace her baby with
(27:51):
a one of those real dolls, the real ladies. Yea.
And so it goes through this whole thing where that
real baby there, there is some supernatural thing that happens,
and the real baby actually returns for two for actual baby. Anyway,
I just thought it was really interesting when I was
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reading this. I'm like, you know, this is something that
even writers think is it's fascinating because you just can't
understand it.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Well too, you know, It's like I got a new
car two years ago, and anytime something's in my back seat,
like a bag or anything, when I'm getting out, an
alert comes up on my screen that says check your
back seat. And I'm thinking, is this a safety feature?
Because so many people are leaving the kids in the car,
because otherwise, why do you need that alert?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They do have alarms for your child when you put
your child in the back seat. Now there are alarms
as you're getting out of the car to alarm and
remind you that your child.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Is in with that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
See, oh my crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It is crazy and it's so annoying, and you're just like,
this happens to barely anyone, But why is this my
problem now that I have to listen to this because
I'm like in tune to this. Well, clearly it's happening
enos well, yeah, I mean it's I think they were saying,
since nineteen ninety eight, there's been like fifteen hundred or
so of these deaths, which is not really that many
(29:28):
deaths over the course of that many years, but it's
also just a lot for that particular it's like the
same scenario all the time that it has to do
it it's like dad's daycare drop off.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I really think that it's it's one of the most
terrifying things to happen to a period. Yeah, so it
gets so much attention, so much attention, and also it
brings late to you know, paying attention, being more present. No,
(30:06):
it is a very small amount of deaths. However, it is.
I believe it's one of the most torturous deaths that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh god, Yeah, like heat stroke and being strapped in
a car seat and just like completely dehydrating.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Oh my god. I can't well imagine another case getting
a lot of attention. And maybe one of the most
requested stories we've had to cover is this toddler that
was pronounced dead and then later found in the morgue.
How does this happen?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Have you ever had a situation like that that a
person was dead and then they weren't.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Okay, So I didn't tell about that, but I will.
I'll kind of go through it from a trauminer's perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
So there's kind of two parts to this story, and
both sides are completely unacceptable. So Part A is that
during a Super Bowl party earlier this year, this eight
month old boy wandered off while his parents were high
and he was later found face down in the pool.
They bring him to the hospital and he's pronounced dead,
and then part B of the story is that hours
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later he's found actually alive in the morgue.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So they on it. When I read about the actual
code that occurred, the physician actually stopped the CPR, stopped
the ACLS process, which is you know, medications doing CPR,
(31:38):
and that was that was ended because at the there's
there's a point where there's a specific a rhythmia that happens,
and it's called p e A, and p e A
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is essentially you see a rhythm on the monitor, but
there is no pulse, so it's pulseless electrical activity. So
that occurs and you can still see that there's a
wave form, but there is no pulse. It just means
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that the heart is still going. So apparently this doctor
stopped the code because of PEA they could not get
a pulse. However, in the documents there was a nurse
who said, I have a pulse and the doctor ignored her.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
How many times does that happen to you? Amy?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
If someone feels a pulse, it does not matter who
it is. We will continue to code to that person
until we are absolutely certain there is no pulse. So
we will try over and over again. We will use
different ultrasounds to try and find the pulse. We will
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we'll look and see through ultrasound to see if the
heart is still beating and just not strong strong enough
to push enough blood out to feel a peripheral pulse.
And especially in children, it's very very difficult to feel
a pulse for the child. So I think what happened
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here was the doc was just, you know, this is
wishful thinking, and of course we want to still feel
a pulse. So then the child was brought to the morgue.
At the morgue apparently, and there's not a lot that
(33:58):
that I saw that explains how they actually found the child.
Was the child actually alert or making sounds or I
didn't really see a lot about that. And it also
doesn't talk a lot about what is the state of
the child now, because even with them finding the child alive,
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that does not mean in that of this child. I
mean they said that that there wasn't any brain damage
in that MRI, on the MRI or on the CT,
but again there there wasn't any saying that I could
see where it was okay, now this child is okay,
because that type of code is going to cause some frauds.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, there's reporting that there was some reporting saying that
the kid was in a vegetative state, and then there's
other ones that are like, oh he's he's like not
that bad.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I couldn't find anything that
was uh that that truly led me to believe that
this is inaccurate, accute what's happening.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, did either of you see who found him exactly?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Because I had the medical examiner's office when they came
to pick him.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Up, okay, because it was late at night, So I
was wondering. Yeah, So yeah, I was wondering because if
you were, like if you were there, for example, I work,
like you guys work nine to five, so you're not
in there at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, the medical examiner will come because that drowning is
a reportable case. They showed up and it's standard to
open the body bag and check the toe tag with
the toe tag that's tied onto the body bag, to
check to make sure it's the same patient's name and everything.
So that's what happened, and they opened the body bag
for that reason to check the toe tag, and then.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
They must just got I don't they might have to quit.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
At this point. That would that would just be like, Okay,
I'm done here. I can't work in this field anymore.
A little baby a special like how traumatizing for those
people that a bit came across this.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You wouldn't believe your eyes in a body bag with
visible breaths.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I just can't even imagine it would I would beat
my you know, you would just get that sinking feeling
in your heart and just and and you know I'd
work the same kind of job.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I wouldn't know what the hell to do. I can't
revive the kid. I don't know how to save someone's life,
you know what I mean. Like I'd be like, uh,
I make a phone call right like I don't know
what to do for this kid right now? Do they
rush them up to the er and they're like, what's
going on with this kid? It's so insane? So I
guess now, going back to part A of this story,
(36:46):
how this child ended up in this situation, the parents
are facing felony charges of child abuse, which some people
are arguing like they were at a party, they were
just high, blah blah, Like, well, you shouldn't be getting
high to the point where your kid is maybe dying.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
So there were multiple adults there that missed this, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
and they were high on weed. That's important to say too,
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Speaker 3 (39:10):
All right, So, so now that we talked about these
actual horrific stories involving weed, what what's your what's your uh,
what's your horror experience with it?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So every time that I would smoke when I was
in college, I would get so incredibly high and I
would automatically start having a panic attack and I would
start tripping like I was. I kept saying that the
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weed is laced over and over again. I would say
every single time. I'd be like, oh my God, that
the weed is definitely lace. What we didn't call it
weed then it was pot and the pot is late
and everybody would be like, oh my God, did not
smoke with her, Jesus. And I would be so disoriented,
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Like I remember being in grocery stores and I would
just be stopping random people to tell them how high
I was. I would be like trying to kill out
my money at the cash register and say to the
person at the cash register, I am so high. I
have no idea how much money is here. Like my
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friends were like, never, do not get high with her.
And so eventually I just I stopped because it started
giving me panic attacks. I mean to be horrific panic
attacks where it felt like my reality. I could not
tell what was real and what was my mind. I
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would start making up conversations that were happening. And later
on I started to do some research on this and
actually did a couple of papers on this. That weed, marijuana,
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it is a hallucinogen, and we think it's either a
stimulant or that it is something to chill you out.
And there are different types, definitely different types of weed
so as we know now with all of the dispensaries,
and you know, they could be used for all different purfoces.
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You know, back then it was just to buy bought
a joint from some dude with.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
A lot or you didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And that's what I was going to say, like, yeah,
when when you were doing that, that's when weed wasn't
even that potent.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, it is just some homegrown stuff stuff like, So
what we are finding, what what we study are showing,
I should be uh, I should be actually citing my resources. However,
I'll see if I can find them. They are saying
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that that weed actually opens up a doorway into schizophrenia,
that it and kids that are much more susceptible if
they have the genetics and the predisposition for schizophrenia, that
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this is the perfect road into schizophrenia. And also those
are the ones that are ending off in the ers
and some of them this is the first time that
they've smoked, and yes, it can happen the very first
time that you smoke. It can put them into psychosis
and they don't come back. There's not like a all
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of it suddenly they come down. I certainly I saw
kids that ended up in and out of psychiatric facilities
after their very very first time that they smoked with
their friends there. But there are there are so many
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support groups now for parents whose kids never came back
after that very first time that their kids smoked AID.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
All right, So I hid one hundred percent support what
you're saying because of a personal experience I had. I
used to smoke weed all the time from the time
I was a teenager, and I've also done other drugs
like acid and mushrooms too, So I have like some
experience with doing drugs as a teenager, right, And I
started dabbling in like edibles when they became popular about
(43:54):
ten years ago or whatever it was. And this one,
so I knew that like if I took am I
being correct to say, like two milligrams is like a
low I don't really remember, okay, So if I would
take like a half of a half of a gummy
or something, it would just make me feel like I
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had a glass of wine or something, and I don't
really like to drink. So I was like, oh, I'll
just do this to chill out at the end of
the night.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
So one of this girl that I was friends with.
I won't say that she was my I don't I
don't want to say that she was my friend. She
was an acquaintance of mine, but she was a really
good baker. And she said, oh she made like like
really fancy kind of bake goods and stuff like that.
And she was like, oh, I started making like weed
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things and I was like, oh, okay, cool. So she
gave me one.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
She gave me two.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Actually, so I gave one to one of my friends
and then I had one.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
So it was one night.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I was home alone with both of my kids that
were that were little like babies, and I was just like, oh,
I'm just gonna take like a little piece of this
to just like have like a glass of wine. Right
if you're with your kids and you have a glass
of wine, like nobody would think anything of that, right
of course. So and I'm sitting there and I took it,
and then all of a sudden, like something came over me,
(45:17):
this feeling of like that I've never felt in my
life before.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That I explain it.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
As like I understood for the first time how people
are like running up the street completely naked, like screaming
their head off because I was completely out of my
mind to the point where I so I called Maria.
How old were you at the time, like twenty?
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I called her at work.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She was at work, and I was like, you need
to come home right now because I have the babies,
and like I, I like, am, I'm freaking out, like
something's not right. And Gabe was at work and I
was scared to death to call him. It was like
calling my dad right so, and Maria's like, all right, well,
I can't come home for an hour.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
She was like a bartender.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
She couldn't just like leave work right and then I
so I was sitting there and I was just like
I can't be home alone for another hour waiting for her.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
So I called Gabe.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
And I was like babe, and he's like, what you know,
because we don't ever talk on the phone, so whenever
we call each other, it's like the thing up. And
I said, you have to come home right now. I
took this weed gummy and like, I'm completely out of
my mind. And he's like, Nicole, do you mean to
tell me I got to close my company right now
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and come home because you took a weed gummy.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And I was like yes, like it was.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I was so scared, and I was like, you really
just need to come home right now. And as soon
as he got home, he was like, go to bed
right now. He's so mad at me. And then I
was fine. And then Maria came home and you dan't
you come upstairs with me? And I was like totally
freaking out. I was like, I was seriously tripping my
face off, Like I I was convinced that this girl
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poisoned me.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, I didn't think it was weed, Like I was
just dude. I I was.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Just like I seriously saved it aside, and I called
my friend at the medical examiner's office and was like, Yo,
can you figure out how I could get this tested
because I think that this person tried to poison me.
I was tripping my face off, my teeth were chattering,
like I was outside in the ice cold and it
was like the winter and I was cozy.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
It was the scariest thing that ever happened to me
in my life, and like, I'll never do it again
after that.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, I actually have a hard time even talking about
the episode where I tripped out completely, and I mean
I tripped out to the point where I was like
thinking that there were dinosaurs in the backyard there that
I discovered who the Antichrist was, And I mean it
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was like crazy, right, ours just completely separated from reality.
And it put me into therapy for a very long
time because I still get so freaked out. Like I
actually tried CBB and just I was having some back
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issues and everybody said, you know, and I did a
lot of research, there's a tiny tiny bit of THHC
in it, but I mean it's so minute it's not
going to cause any you can't get high off of it.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Took some. I took like a droper full, and I
would say within thirty minutes, I thought that one of
my crystals was talking to me. So I mean this
was probably six years ago, and I was like and
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then I started freaking out. Then I went into full
blown panic.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I was like digging through my stash because you know,
all nurses have like a stash of medications, and I'm like,
what do I have in here? And I called him
to my daughters, so I'm like, you gotta come over,
like I am absolutely, and they're like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Know how you feel.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Like I seriously, I was working at the hospital at
the time, and I was scared. I don't know why
because now like everyone's allowed to smoke weed. But I
was like, if I go to the hospital right now,
because I am like overdosing on weed, I'm like a
hospital employee, Like I don't want to get in trouble.
So I didn't go, but I feel like under normal circumstances,
I would have went to the hospital because I was like,
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I don't know if this is ever going to end,
and I feel absolutely insane. I mean, like I've done
mushrooms before. I never tripped like that in my life.
It was it was bad, and it was crazy and unexpected,
and I think I was so scared because I was
home alone and like, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
I think it probably two with a lot of young people,
and especially in the world of edibles, as young people
are very uneducated about doses and everything. So for example,
like you're saying you would take half of a half
of a gummy, well, a lot of gummies that you
were getting at that time were like ten milligrams, so
you were taking about two and a half milligrams of
a gummy and you said that would just feel like
drinking a glass of wine, Like there was a point
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in Philly ten years ago, or show where gummy bears
and TOUTSI rolls going around said they were ten but
they were really sixty. So if you had half of
a half, it was like a lot. I remember I
fell asleep at a Longhorn Steakhouse one day because I
took a half of a half, or I took. I
ate one right before one of my senior thesis shows,
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and I was like, I'm not even I don't even
remember what happened that night. I like totally blacked out.
I don't even remember what happened that night. I just
remember coming to at a Mexican restaurant with one of
my friends and eating like so much food. But I
knew of somebody that had one hundred milligram chocolate bar
in their house and their cleaning person ate the chocolate,
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which is a whole other problem because cleaning person should
not be eating your food in your house. But hours
later they get a call being like, hey, what was
that chocolate bar? Because she's having an episode because she
just ate a whole hundred milligram in one setting, which
I feel like would set me into straight side coasts
because I couldn't even handle ten.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah my dog. I had edibles
in my purse for my daughter. My friend gave them
to me because she didn't want them anymore. So I
was going to give them to my daughter two years ago,
and my dog got one of the edibles, so she
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had thhc fastoning. But I came home and I'm like,
what is wrong with her? Like she couldn't get off
the couch. She was falling over. She was so paranoid,
and she was just like flinching at absolutely anything. She
was like walking along the walls in the house, like
just trying to like get away from me. I felt
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horrible for fir. I felt terrible, But what I did
have some trasit down here for dogs, so I ended
up giving her a trasad down so she was able
to sleep it off.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
But oh my god, Yeah, it is scary.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
But I can't imagine like if I felt that way
and didn't even know that. I like, obviously I put
it two and two together that it was from eating
that cookie I had. But I'm like, what if you
just ate, like the cleaning lady you're talking about, you
just ate something you thought was chocolate, and then all
of a sudden you started getting that feeling I would
be so freaking scared. Yeah, it was like, I can't
(52:44):
explain it other than it was scary.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
It's not just scary, it's absolute terror. Because your mind
also tells you I am never going to come down.
This is my new reality, and you start to talk
yourself into I am going to be high for the
rest of my life. I'm not going to be able
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to work, I'm not going to be able to take
care of my my family. Like it is. It's more
than just a panic attack. It is absolute separation from reality.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, And I think that was another reason that I
was scared to go to the hospital, because I'm like,
they're going to put me, They're going to institutionalize me.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
Right now. I can't be in society like this, I know,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah, if it's stay, if it doesn't go away, I'm like,
is this what schizophrenic people feel like?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Every day? Oh my god, it was so bad.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It was it's so bad, and it's just it really
is like and and it's something that people don't talk
about enough. However, there are so many communities now which
you know, there's there's wonderful things about TikTok, and there's
so much education out there about this phenomenon that these
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kids are going through and helping them understand how to
for one, never get high again, and also to warn
kids that doing these drugs and doing marijuana, you think
that because everybody else does, it doesn't mean that you
(54:30):
have the same brain, and your brain could be that
one that whatever percentage it is, and it's a pretty
high percentage of kids that go through this. Anyone who
says that they think that the weed was laced, that
is the person that you should be concerned about that
has a potential for becoming a schizophrenic.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
For need, I mean, people are complete denial of issues
that could happen with weed too.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
For I know we're going to get a ton of
hate on this SEP.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
You know what though, Like people can hate me, the
only reason that I say it is because it literally
happened to me. And I'm just like, I'm not just
like sitting from Afar and being reading papers and saying
this can happen like it happened to me, And I'm
telling you like it.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Was, it was bad, It was really really bad. Yeah,
and I was a wee.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
I was like an everyday weed person at that point
for fifteen years of my life.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, and then it happened, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, And you're right. People are going to give us hate,
and that's okay. You can have a differing opinion.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
However, you you can't anymore.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
You happen to have the type of brain that that
it's not dangerous to you.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, I don't know that situation that the Longhorn.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Was fris.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
That's just kidding. It's chary that you went to Longhorn.
That's the place is delicious. They like stuff, mushroom caps.
It deals on steaks.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
I'm gonta textas roadhouse near me, so you're that's.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Gonna be Vegetar.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Not not the best person to be selling the chain
steakhouses on I understand, but always a good time.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
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Please sponsor us, We'll accept it. All right to wrap,
Let's wrap this week up with this story about this nurse.
So it's Pennsylvania. Nurse has been accused of killing two
patients after stealing narcotics, injecting them in the er bathroom,
and then treating patients while impaired, which is contributing to
their deaths. What are your thoughts on this? They're also
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now this information is coming out because of a whistleblower lawsuit,
So I don't think this was gonna come out otherwise.
And these whistleblowers are also accusing the hospital of trying
to I don't know if they are accusing them of
covering it up, but they're saying they didn't do a
good enough job of trying to do This sounds exactly
what happened into Amy.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Like here we are once again with the hospital not
willing to be open about some sentinel event that happened
within their walls. And this particular nurse had been reported
(57:23):
multiple times about his behavior, about his his obvious maljudgment, misjudgment.
What why can't Why isn't my mouth working the way
that I want?
Speaker 4 (57:41):
This has been my entire week. I just can't think
of anything.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Well, you used to say it was because you're pregnant
all the time. Now what are you going to say?
Speaker 4 (57:48):
Well, now, my midwife said, placenta brain is forever that.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
I'm now retired, so has to speak in full sentence.
Since so yes that he had impaired judgment, and it
was very obvious he was high when he was working.
And yes, these sentinel events happened. One of them was
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that he gave the wrong medication to a patient who died.
And another incident was a patient who was an alcohol withdrawal,
and apparently he did not care for him well and
(58:39):
did not give him the attention that he needed, and
he went out into the firking garage, fell and sustained
a serious head injury with a brain fleet that ended
up dying. And all of this was attached to his
impaired judgment, the nurses impaired judgment.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
And did you see the one thing that there was
a patient there that was supposed to get morphine and
the patient was freaking out saying that they didn't feel it,
they couldn't feel it. They were in so much pain,
screaming in agony. And here he was the one that
took the morphine.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 4 (59:18):
It's so mess up.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
There was like four The two people that you just
discuss had died, but there were there were other people.
And yeah, this one she was in severe pain, and
the swapped morphine with saline, so gave this woman saline.
She was screaming in pain and agony, saying I don't
feel it.
Speaker 4 (59:37):
I don't feel it. And here he had taken her morphine.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Did you find anything about his license being revoked to suspended?
Did they.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
So he has a history apparently of different things happening
and the hospital like getting fired from other institutions for things.
It's not it's so similar to yours. It's just like
kind of hospital jumping and the hospital being aware of
all this different stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
So so yeah, like he was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Apparently on camera taking controlled substances from rooms. There's photo evidence,
like wasn't reported to the DEA, lied to the state
Board of Nursing when officials came to ask about him
to the hospital, it's shocking.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
It's more shocking because you're always going to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Find somebody that is addicted to drugs and is trying
to get it. It's more shocking from the hospital's response. Yeah,
like why what are they hiding it for?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Hire?
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Another nurse shocked.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
By the hospital's response. That is the status quo of
how hospitals handle this. And I I would love to
find a hospital who would act actually treat this in
the way that it should be treated and being open
(01:01:06):
and you know, having deep briefings with the nurses who
had to endure being around him and being part of
his ships. And that's really what the hospital should be
doing is talking about how are we going to help
(01:01:27):
the other nurses because he is obviously fired now there's
not much that they can do. But what they should
be doing, and I would love hospitals to be doing
this is find a way to talk to the nurses,
what did we miss? How can we avoid this again?
(01:01:50):
And it should have been one complaint, not ten complaints,
just one complaint, and this guy should have been out
the door. So this is just what hospitals do. They
want warm bodies, and they definitely need to cover things
(01:02:12):
up because they they know that there will be public
outrage and it's you know, it's what they do and
it's what they do best. In these are These are
companies that which an infuriate infuriates me. That we call
(01:02:34):
healthcare an industry. That means that they that we are
warehouse workers. So they see it as an industry. Everyone
is replaceable, everyone is just a cog in the wheel.
They really do not give a ship and so and
(01:02:56):
so long as their bottom line that they have been
able to secure their bonus sense for their top people.
They don't care.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
What it's for respect for a hospital if they were like,
we were made aware of this situation and we handled
it and this is what happened. Then finding out months
to years later that they covered up a potential pr
crisis and people died as a result of it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
So, no, because it happens all the time, and because
it happens all the time, they think that they can
just get away with it. And it is and especially
with nurses now there's you know, there's there's so many
(01:03:44):
nurses out there that do have substance abuse problems and
it is you know, it's enopidemic. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Do you think that they're trying to because obviously now
like they're going to be getting lawsuits associated with this
because they're going to be able to correlate the nurse that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
You know this and it's not causation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
So do you think that they're that they're trying to
avoid like lawsuits or.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So just because these nurses, these whistleblowers are saying that
these particular deaths were associated with the actions of this
particular nurse. Unless there is some type of criminal investigation
(01:04:36):
that goes along with this, then the hospital will not
be held accountable. He will not be held accountable. So
they have to actually prove, and medical homicide is one
of the most difficult things to prove. You need a
smoking gun. Causation and correlation are two totally different things,
(01:04:57):
as you know. And you know, can they say that
that guy that that smashed his head out in the
parking lot is actually this guy's falt, this nurse's fald.
I don't know. That's a stretch.
Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Yeah, I understand that, so yes, I you know, these
whistleblowers are saying, Okay, these are suspicious activities, but they're
not necessarily criminal.
Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
That's it's it's just so messed up.
Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
It's scary as a patient to think, like I just
witnessed Maria being in pain giving birth, and like to
think like, oh, that the person would be putting saline
in her thing instead of the drugs that she needed.
Is it's so upsetting to think about a person being
in pain intentional like like that.
Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
You know it has all the time, don't tell.
Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Me it is true, and it is. It's so challenging
because I know how broken the system is. I understand
how broken this system is. I am doing my small
small part to help the mental health of the nurses
(01:06:17):
who are still in it or have been damaged by it.
But it is really broken, very very broken, and I
don't see it being fixed in our lifetime. I do not.
I know that we can make We can certainly make steps.
(01:06:40):
There are a lot of wonderful creators out there right
now that are trying really hard to change the system,
and I'm hoping we're making a difference. I'm hoping that
at least we can reach those healthcare workers that have
and had moral injuries from the institutions that they're working for.
(01:07:09):
I'm hoping we can feel down. But it's really broken,
very very broken. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
I mean, and you could argue that it's getting worse,
which is.
Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Oh, it's definitely getting worse.
Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I mean, I could just see it from talking
to my friends, like you just you really couldn't even
believe it. And you're going to have a problem because
eventually people are going to be like, why would I
want to do that for a living?
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I think that's happening now, at least the people that
believe they're going into it to help people. I understand
how it's still very romanticized. And I'm not saying that
there isn't a calling, but that calling when people say
(01:08:07):
that they have a calling to take care of people
in healthcare, those are the people that tend to not
speak up because it's a calling for them. So therefore
they're seen as heroes. We're not heroes. We are you know,
(01:08:28):
we are professionals. And when it is when people are
given hero status, those people then cannot speak up for
themselves because then there is an expectation that they are
just going to take it because you're a hero.
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Because you signed up for it. And that's me.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And so what it is is that it's it's bringing
people who do understand that you can make good money
and consistent money in this industry. And uh, that's what
it's drawing. It's it's people who really don't care for people.
(01:09:09):
So it's it's quite the paradox.
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Well this is like.
Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
That'd be down, no, So so what let's talk for
a real second, Like what are what are you into
right now? Like you're saying you're retired, are you really
retired or you like, are you working on any projects?
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
So I have a huge product project that is just
being finished up. I have developed the algorithm for healing,
and I have four separate has algorithms for healing, uh,
(01:09:54):
moral injury, debrief things, and violence in the workplace, bullying,
And each one of these workbooks and journals walks you
through the process of how your brain works, how to
open up those injuries and that trauma, and walk you
(01:10:18):
through a process of healing. And so many healthcare workers
will not go to let's say their employee assistance program
because they're really afraid that all of their information is
going to be going back to the employer, which it does.
(01:10:40):
So what these workbooks do, these modules, Each one of
them is set up for one particular institutional injury that
has occurred. And so now I am starting to get
these workbooks out there and starting to have these little
(01:11:00):
mini retreats where I walk healthcare workers through these algorithms.
And it is it's all of the modalities that helped me,
you know, working with self hypnosis, meditation, crystals, acupressure, different
(01:11:22):
different in two ways to use nature to help heal
that part of your brain that has been injured. And yeah,
so I'm really proud of these modules. I'm really proud
of this project and it should be up on Amazigon
and Pool thing was in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
So oh awesome, amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Yeah, you're gonna have to like let us know when
that's off so we could let everybody know about it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Thanks so much for being here with us today. It
was great and your your weed story was great. And
I hope people instead of just like hey on us
for talking about it, can like just see that. We're like,
you know, as you get older and you try to
talk to your kids, you're just like listen, like I
don't want you to have to go through what I.
Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Went through, so like, just listen to me.
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
And I really hope that people will tell us their stories. Yes,
please want to hear their stories of when they tripped out.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And we yeah, well, hopefully by next we'll get a
tony emails this weekend and then next week we'll talk
about them on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yeah, listeners right into stories at Mothernosdeath dot com with
your outrageous weed stories. We'd love to hear them.
Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Thank you so much. We love having you on as always. Yes,
come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a repeat guest,
our friend Amy Lochrin on today. You guys might know
her as the Good Nurse. We're going to talk to
her today about some cases in the news involving weed
and maybe we'll discuss some personal experiences or shall I
say negative personal experiences, and then we'll get into a
(00:43):
subject Amy is very familiar with, which is what happens
when a nurse kills a patient, either intentionally, by accident,
by negligence. So all that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Hi, Amy, hell.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh, and today we are talking about My most challenging
subject is baby is being left in cars.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's the worst. I mean, yesterday's episode we are talking
about like a couple child abuse cases that have come up,
and then it was a lot of the last couple
of weeks, and like, now that I have a baby,
I just can't imagine. I mean before I could not
imagine anybody that would stoop to that level of child
abuse or just negligence to that capacity. But now that
I have this little angelic face to stare at every day,
(01:37):
I really just can't imagine it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, no, absolutely not. And yeah, when you set me
the stories to read immediately, I said, I normally just
block everything like that out because it's it is so
disturbing to me. Traumoners. Of course, my worst deaths were children.
(02:06):
Of course, children dying in my arms. And there was
one case I remember years and years ago. I was
a baby verse, I was probably twenty five twenty six
years old in the.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Er and two deaf parents came in with their nine
month old that had been been obviously in the backseat
strapped in and had choked, and neither one of them
heard it, and so they pull up to the doors
and I have to pull this baby out.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And it left this scar on me, this traumatic moral
injury of not being able to deal with that because
a normal person supposed to freak out stream cry, that's
(03:05):
a normal response, but when you are in healthcare, you
have to completely push all of that down and be
it the professional that you are and you're not allowed
to really grieve any of that. And yeah, so it
(03:31):
it just left this hole in me. So anytime that
there's there's something in the news like what we're going
to be talking about I just I just completely block
it out because I have PTSD.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I understand that, and the reason that that's one
of our stories. It just allso happened to come together
really great for this episode because it started off with
you saw the clip that we made two weeks ago
when I was had Gandhi on the show and we
were talking about weed. And for those of you who
(04:10):
didn't hear the exact thing that we were talking about,
it was in Massachusetts they're actually putting on the ballot.
To you know, over the past couple of years, it's
been like let's legalize marijuana, where they're actually putting it
on the ballot, like should we make it illegal again?
And Gandhi and I were discussing why we should. She's
(04:32):
kind of a pro legalization, and I'm like, all right,
this is one thing I'm going to argue with you
about Maria. You weren't there because I know that we've
gotten into arguments with it about it before.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
So then Amy DMed me and was just like.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
You know, oh, yeah, I would like I would really
like to talk about that, and I said, yeah, dude,
I had a bad experience, and then you were like,
so did I so, and then it just so happens
that there's a couple stories like the one we were
just talking about, which we'll get into more detail with,
and another one that involved weed just so happened to
(05:09):
be this week alone, because so many people are always like, oh,
it's this herb and it doesn't kill anybody, And I
could tell you right now that it's killed two people.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
This week indirectly.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right, So, Rie, why don't you start off with, uh,
We'll start off with the stories, and then we'll finish
off the funny note or at least mind STEMI funny
although it wasn't at the time.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You're absolutely not funny for other people. All right, start
off with this, start off with the hot car death.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
So first, a couple of weeks ago, a dad thought
he dropped his fourteen month old daughter at daycare and
didn't realize what happened until his wife called him that
afternoon to say when she went to pick her up,
she was not there. So it turns off that it
turns out that he dropped off their older kid at
a sports camp and then was supposed to drop off
to tyler at daycare. He did not do so, so
reportedly they're saying that this has to do with weed,
(06:03):
and that he had a prior DUI for driving with
weed and a vaping device was found in the car.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
So his his talks has been done. So they tested
him for the marijuana. The police said that his eyes
were bloodshot and the pattern of the THHD that was
in his system not only shows that he was actively high,
but he's been a chronic user too, because it was that.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, And not to interrupt you, but I think that
there is this this misconception that when you test for
weed that it is a positive or a negative test.
And so when people are people are brought in and
(06:53):
they do talk studies, it's not only just to find
weed in the system, because anyone can argue, well, I
had an edible two weeks ago, of course it's going
to still be in my system, but I did not
actively smoke today. I did not actively have any THC today,
(07:16):
And that is completely inaccurate the tox studies that we do.
When you're in those situations and even when you come
into the er, there is a level in our toxicology
that tells what you are in that moment and how
(07:36):
high you are in that moment. And his levels were
off the charts, so he was not just a chronic user,
which the toxicology report did show that he was a
chronic user. It showed that he had been smoking literally
all day long.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
And I was talking about this with Gandhi on our episode,
Like I had brought my daughter to the Children's hospital
in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago, and I got
in the elevator and this the family had their kid,
and it just stunk like weeds so bad in the elevator,
And I'm just thinking, like you, we were in the
(08:20):
elevator coming from the parking garage going up to the floor,
and I'm like, you just got out of the car
and either just smoked in front of your child or
smoked at home to the point where I smell it.
Why are you have to be high right now to
take your kid to the doctor.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I just personally don't under like I used to smoke
a lot of weed. Like I'll fully admit that, right,
I haven't in a couple of years since I started
to try to get pregnant and I have now had
a kid. But I don't understand, like as somebody that
at one time was smoking almost every single day. I
don't understand how people smell so strong in public. My
house never smelled, my clothes never spelled, my car never
(08:59):
smelled like what people doing it. It's most so strong you.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Think, you know, you may not have smelled it. Yeah, However, Nani,
who is very, very sensitive to it, I can imagine
that I would have been able to smell it on you.
And that's another thing is that people that are chronic
(09:22):
users really genuinely believe that they are just pulling this
off and you're not.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
I'm only confident in my house didn't smell because this
Karen right here would have had no problem screaming, well, cigarette.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
You could say the same about cigarette smokers, like their
their habits are completely disgusting. You're in the line at
Dunkin Donuts and they throw the cigarette out on the
street and it's common in your car, and their clothes smell,
their hair smells, and they don't even think anything of
it because they're used to it, and.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Squirt themselves with perfium and now, oh yes, that's the
worst smell, like a genity cigarette.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Good reference, Yeah, like explanation or sunflowers from.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Yeah. So like so, when you're high, on THHC.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Right, it affects your memory, attention, reaction time, judgment, routine
task following, like dropping your kid off, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And memory issues. Memory so he couldn't even remember that
he didn't drop his kid out, Like yeah, it is.
It is something that is so much more dangerous that
we obviously it is this like open world now that
(10:53):
there isn't the stigma that is attached to smoking weed.
I think, especially with me growing up, was a huge stigma.
But it's very much out in the open now and
it is so dangerous. It's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
We need to bring the stigma back.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So when people say that no one's ever died from marijuana,
like and this is one example this week, Yes this
child has died because of marijuana. That it's it's all
written out here right now. And where was this guy going?
Did they say where he went after he dropped the
kids off or he was just like at the dispensary.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh cool, really nice.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Could you imagine being this wife married to such a loser,
like picking your kid up and your kid's not there
and finding out that your husband had was like go
into the dispensary and getting high and like killed one
of your kids, like you're a loser.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I mean, the worst case we ever covered with this
was that guy in Arizona that not only left the
kid in the car, but repeatedly left all the kids
in the hot car. The wife had yelled at him
about it in the past. She was a doctor and
he was a total loser at home, and then only
to discover that he was like playing video games and
watching porn while his child was cooking to death in
their car in the driveway. I don't understand. And it's like,
(12:15):
so often are there many cases where it's the mother
leaving the kid in the car or are they almost
all exclusively your father.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I actually did look up the statistics yesterday. So there's
been ten deaths this year so far of children being
I think that are reported right now, children being left
in the car. Four of them were in Florida, all men.
It was all dams for that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Wait, let me tell you, guys, this just so happened
to come across my feed yesterday. And I don't know
if this is an old video or if they're talking
about this actual case, but Anderson Cooper is interviewing Sonny Hasta, right,
and she's kind of speaking out about this because she
says that she understands how hot car deaths happen.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You're not gonna believe.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
This when I tell you, and when you when you
guys see this video. She was saying that her kid
was fourteen months old in the car and her and
her husband went to home depot and they both got
out of the car, walked across the parking lot, got
a shopping car, walked past the car, went in the store,
and she was in the garden section, and five minutes later,
(13:27):
her husband came up to her and was like, the
baby's still in.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
The car, Like, what excuse me? She's I'm serious.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I'm just like, like, I guess credit that she that
she's saying it out loud, like this could happen to anybody.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
But I'm just like, I just don't even understand that
I am currently at peak newborn exhaustion right now and
can't imagine this. Even when I'm driving him in the car,
I checked the mirror three thousand times to make sure
he's back.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
There, and I get hearn a car. And there have
been instances with mothers who are going through sleep deprivation, psychosis,
and there are episodes of that psychotic behavior where you
believe that you have done a specific thing with a baby,
(14:17):
like put them in the crib, but you're so sleep
deprived and psychotic that you didn't realize that you left
them somewhere else. I can imagine that happening because sleep
deprivation psychosis in newborn mothers. It's a real thing, and
(14:39):
people really do not talk about it enough, and especially
in our culture where we don't live with a group
of people. Women used to be able to sleep when
they had their newborns. They used to be able to rest.
There were other women that were in the home and
in the village that would care for your child, so
(15:02):
you can actually sleep, and we don't have that now.
That isolation clause in psychosis. So I can understand it
happening to a new foreign because of that, and especially
that the women can have absolutely no support and if
(15:22):
they don't have support from their partner or their family,
I you know, I really feel for them, but you know,
it is unfortunately, it's it's one of the problems of
our culture here in the US.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's it's kind of crazy because I've had a kid
since I've been fifteen years old, so it's like I've
always had that lingering feeling of like there's like someone
else I'm responsible for. So I wonder if it's with
sunny hostage, Like maybe if you're like a little bit older,
when you have your kid for the first time and
you're well established in your life, that I could understand
(16:01):
like maybe one parent forgetting, but two parents going like
you went into a home depot and we're looking around
at plants and didn't realize that you didn't have your child.
It's like mind blowing to me.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
There, I.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Don't understand.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I also feel this is so mortifying that like keep
it to yourself. You should be so embarrassed that this happened,
Like I guess some people want to try to bring
awareness to it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Should we be sure not everything needs to go on
the undernet?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
No, No, it is chronic oversharer and I don't.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
But it's kind of similar, Like we were just talking
about this with all of these news stories of like
these women coming out and saying I regret having kids,
and you're just kind of like, Okay, maybe you shouldn't
say that out loud because your kid might see this
video one day.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or whatever. But I just think, like, if you're gonna
say it, say it to the appropriate parties, like maybe
don't tell your children or like publicly, or tell your grandchild.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
A trusted friend.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, because how do you think, like your kids are
like descendants of your kids will feel when you're like,
I should have never had kids, and you're like, well,
I'm a byproduct of that decision, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I have said to my kids, both of my daughters,
that I had planned on never having kids because I
had such a horrible childhood that I was I was
genuinely terrified to be a mother because I was so
worried that I was going to completely mess them up,
(17:45):
and that I didn't have I didn't I didn't have
good role models. I had no idea what a good
current looked like. I could read about it, I could
look at I could watch TV, but I really had
absolutely no idea what good parenting looked like. And so
when I became pregnant, it was an oopsie being pregnant
(18:09):
with my oldest daughter. It was on the hill at
the time, and I just, I really I I just
had to read everything. Everything. I read every book, everything
that I passively could, but they both understand why I
didn't want to have children. And then after I had Alex,
(18:32):
my oldest if was I really don't want to make
for an only child, so I ended up petting Maya.
So I always say that Maya was absolutely for Alex,
not the mean.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I think that that's totally normal that a lot
of I hear that from a lot of my friends
that grew up with a with a bad childhood, that
they are very hesitant to do it. But it's I
feel like it's a move now to be like, I
really you know it. But Maria's I was saying, I
don't mind it because I do think that there is
(19:07):
a lot of societal pressure for women to have children
and men too, and they don't want to.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know. Yeah, I think that TikTok. There's entire communities
that are coming together and not having children and being
so supportive of that, and there is community in and
I think that the pressure has gone down.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, for sure. So I don't I'm not like against it.
And same with Sonny Hasta. I guess, like I guess
she's just trying to say we should maybe not be
so harsh on these parents for leaving their kids in
the car.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It just seems like it's.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Kind of new, right, Like, I don't remember this happened
and when we were younger.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I am trying to think about.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
As a as a trauma nurse and in the eighties,
if I've ever dealt with that.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
And I don't, I really don't recall. I think a
lot of it also has to do with the car
seats and that there's not a visual because kids are
turned around and you're just seeing the car seat. You're
(20:38):
not actually interacting with their face. So and again I'm
just kind of making that up, but that that seems
like something up was different. I mean, I grew up
without car seats, but.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, exactly. Do you think like the distractions have something
to do with it too? You just like have your phone,
you of your podcast, you have music, there's a lot
going on, ye have your GPS.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah maybe, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
But there was another case too that just happened where
this other dad left his twenty three month old son
in the back of the car also forgetting to drop
the boy off at school, and the daycare owner said
that the dad arrived to pick up the sun they
were like, he never showed up and then that's when
the dad realized that he was in the back seat,
still so off. When my kids went to daycare, if
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we didn't show up, they knew that, Okay, you're an
everyday person. If we didn't show up in the morning,
they would call and be like, are you coming in today?
And then I'd be like, shit, sorry, I forgot to
call you and tell you I wasn't coming. Every day
they would call very early, like an hour after you know,
That's what I was gonna ask you.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But this day, this daycare said that they call at
the end of the week to see why a person
was out. And this family's been going there, I said.
I think they sent like three of their kids there.
They like really knew them.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
They called the end of the week, that's what they said.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I mean, maybe they just call to be like, does
your kid have some communicable disease.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I'm not sure that they're calling to check. Okay, Well,
that policy seems completely idiotic. I'm sorry. How hard is
it to make a phone call?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, my five year old granddaughter has been going to
BPK here in Florida for a year and she had
to Yeah, they actually have to call them or let
them know the night before that they're not coming in,
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And I mean it is written policy that they need
to know that the child is not going to be there,
so they will call in the morning, and the second
that it's time for your kid to start daycare, they
will be sending out calls to find out where your child.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm not blaming the daycare policy on what happened here,
but I think it could have maybe been a little
helping hand in this situation. Like that just seems dumb
because even if they're calling to see if the kid's sick,
don't you think they should know that immediately if all
the other children were exposed that day rather than a
week later.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I'm just wondering if they are also something up with
this dad that they are the bear is you know,
some mental health concerns, because how do you go your
entire day and not remember whether you dropped your child off? Now?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Yeah, like nothing clicks at any point.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That Yeah, yeah, like I do remember. I do recall,
especially working night shifts and I would be sixteen hour shifts.
Talk about sleep deprivation. I was on a hall Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
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and then I would drive home from New Jersey to
upstate New York after three sixteen hour ships in a row.
Hadn't slept the night before because I worked all night
on Sunday night driving home. Yes, I had memory issues.
I was hallucinating. I should not have been on the road.
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There definitely should be laws against this.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But my.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Capacity to remember anything at that time was completely impaired.
So was there something with this dad that there's some
mental health thing that's going on, or perhaps there is,
you know, something going on with his job that he
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was so distracted. I just feel like there's a deeper
story here.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Also, you know, when I was working full time and
I would drop the kids off or Gabe would drop
the kids off, we text each other like all day,
how was drop off? How were they this morning?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Like there's no communication between these parents all day to.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
How did you know? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That's like it like every single night, if Gabe's at
work or something whole text me and just be like
how were the girls today? Yeah, it's like a normal conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
YEA, Well you're you two. You are also in a
good marriage because, like I we talk about all the time,
like people that get married to like check the box.
They have the kids to check the box. They're living
this day to day life and they're absolutely miserable. They
might not text their spouse all day because they hate
each other and they don't even want to be in
the marriage. And then you could look at that. I
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mean a lot of these cases we see there's issues.
Think about that. Data was just talking about in Arizona
last year or a couple of years ago, they killed
the kid and was watching porn. Like, once that story
came out, there was like a whole Pandora's box open
of marital issues that they were having. Right, So you
could probably see that in a lot of these cases
as a contributing factor.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I agree, there's definitely something deeper. Were there charges
brought up against that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
So I was gonna say in this case that we're
talking about right now, there's been no charges yet. But
the other guy, the weed guy, he was charged with
third degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, endangering the welfare of a child,
recklessly endangering another person, and leaving a child unattended in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
A motor vehicle. They're like throwing it at him.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Wait, I guess that's the question too. I guess That
is the question too, though, is like, if this was
really a situation of sleep deprivation and whatever not that
it's acceptable. I'm just saying, if it was purely an accident,
what's the appropriate charge, right, is it?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Man?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Slow? Like, where do we go from here?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
There was such a good show. It was called Servant
and it was about this this exact subject, to this
woman on a sleep deprivation. Her husband was was out
of town, a really really famous, famous guy, and she
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kept telling him she needed help, she needed help. He
wasn't helping her. And then he just leaves her, and
she leaves her child in the car, and she goes
and lays down and falls asleep, and then they she
has this psychotic break and they replace her baby with
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a one of those real dolls, the real ladies. Yea.
And so it goes through this whole thing where that
real baby there, there is some supernatural thing that happens,
and the real baby actually returns for two for actual baby. Anyway,
I just thought it was really interesting when I was
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reading this. I'm like, you know, this is something that
even writers think is it's fascinating because you just can't
understand it.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Well too, you know, It's like I got a new
car two years ago, and anytime something's in my back seat,
like a bag or anything, when I'm getting out, an
alert comes up on my screen that says check your
back seat. And I'm thinking, is this a safety feature?
Because so many people are leaving the kids in the car,
because otherwise, why do you need that alert?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They do have alarms for your child when you put
your child in the back seat. Now there are alarms
as you're getting out of the car to alarm and
remind you that your child.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Is in with that.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
See, oh my crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
It is crazy and it's so annoying, and you're just like,
this happens to barely anyone, But why is this my
problem now that I have to listen to this because
I'm like in tune to this. Well, clearly it's happening
enos well, yeah, I mean it's I think they were saying,
since nineteen ninety eight, there's been like fifteen hundred or
so of these deaths, which is not really that many
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deaths over the course of that many years, but it's
also just a lot for that particular it's like the
same scenario all the time that it has to do
it it's like dad's daycare drop off.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I really think that it's it's one of the most
terrifying things to happen to a period. Yeah, so it
gets so much attention, so much attention, and also it
brings late to you know, paying attention, being more present. No,
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it is a very small amount of deaths. However, it is.
I believe it's one of the most torturous deaths that
could happen.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh god, Yeah, like heat stroke and being strapped in
a car seat and just like completely dehydrating.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Oh my god. I can't well imagine another case getting
a lot of attention. And maybe one of the most
requested stories we've had to cover is this toddler that
was pronounced dead and then later found in the morgue.
How does this happen?
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Have you ever had a situation like that that a
person was dead and then they weren't.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Okay, So I didn't tell about that, but I will.
I'll kind of go through it from a trauminer's perspective.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
So there's kind of two parts to this story, and
both sides are completely unacceptable. So Part A is that
during a Super Bowl party earlier this year, this eight
month old boy wandered off while his parents were high
and he was later found face down in the pool.
They bring him to the hospital and he's pronounced dead,
and then part B of the story is that hours
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later he's found actually alive in the morgue.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So they on it. When I read about the actual
code that occurred, the physician actually stopped the CPR, stopped
the ACLS process, which is you know, medications doing CPR,
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and that was that was ended because at the there's
there's a point where there's a specific a rhythmia that happens,
and it's called p e A, and p e A
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is essentially you see a rhythm on the monitor, but
there is no pulse, so it's pulseless electrical activity. So
that occurs and you can still see that there's a
wave form, but there is no pulse. It just means
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that the heart is still going. So apparently this doctor
stopped the code because of PEA they could not get
a pulse. However, in the documents there was a nurse
who said, I have a pulse and the doctor ignored her.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
How many times does that happen to you? Amy?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
If someone feels a pulse, it does not matter who
it is. We will continue to code to that person
until we are absolutely certain there is no pulse. So
we will try over and over again. We will use
different ultrasounds to try and find the pulse. We will
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we'll look and see through ultrasound to see if the
heart is still beating and just not strong strong enough
to push enough blood out to feel a peripheral pulse.
And especially in children, it's very very difficult to feel
a pulse for the child. So I think what happened
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here was the doc was just, you know, this is
wishful thinking, and of course we want to still feel
a pulse. So then the child was brought to the morgue.
At the morgue apparently, and there's not a lot that
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that I saw that explains how they actually found the child.
Was the child actually alert or making sounds or I
didn't really see a lot about that. And it also
doesn't talk a lot about what is the state of
the child now, because even with them finding the child alive,
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that does not mean in that of this child. I
mean they said that that there wasn't any brain damage
in that MRI, on the MRI or on the CT,
but again there there wasn't any saying that I could
see where it was okay, now this child is okay,
because that type of code is going to cause some frauds.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, there's reporting that there was some reporting saying that
the kid was in a vegetative state, and then there's
other ones that are like, oh he's he's like not
that bad.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I couldn't find anything that
was uh that that truly led me to believe that
this is inaccurate, accute what's happening.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, did either of you see who found him exactly?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Because I had the medical examiner's office when they came
to pick him.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Up, okay, because it was late at night, So I
was wondering. Yeah, So yeah, I was wondering because if
you were, like if you were there, for example, I work,
like you guys work nine to five, so you're not
in there at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, the medical examiner will come because that drowning is
a reportable case. They showed up and it's standard to
open the body bag and check the toe tag with
the toe tag that's tied onto the body bag, to
check to make sure it's the same patient's name and everything.
So that's what happened, and they opened the body bag
for that reason to check the toe tag, and then.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
They must just got I don't they might have to quit.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
At this point. That would that would just be like, Okay,
I'm done here. I can't work in this field anymore.
A little baby a special like how traumatizing for those
people that a bit came across this.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You wouldn't believe your eyes in a body bag with
visible breaths.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I just can't even imagine it would I would beat
my you know, you would just get that sinking feeling
in your heart and just and and you know I'd
work the same kind of job.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I wouldn't know what the hell to do. I can't
revive the kid. I don't know how to save someone's life,
you know what I mean. Like I'd be like, uh,
I make a phone call right like I don't know
what to do for this kid right now? Do they
rush them up to the er and they're like, what's
going on with this kid? It's so insane? So I
guess now, going back to part A of this story,
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how this child ended up in this situation, the parents
are facing felony charges of child abuse, which some people
are arguing like they were at a party, they were
just high, blah blah, Like, well, you shouldn't be getting
high to the point where your kid is maybe dying.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
So there were multiple adults there that missed this, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
and they were high on weed. That's important to say too,
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Speaker 3 (39:10):
All right, So, so now that we talked about these
actual horrific stories involving weed, what what's your what's your uh,
what's your horror experience with it?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So every time that I would smoke when I was
in college, I would get so incredibly high and I
would automatically start having a panic attack and I would
start tripping like I was. I kept saying that the
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weed is laced over and over again. I would say
every single time. I'd be like, oh my God, that
the weed is definitely lace. What we didn't call it
weed then it was pot and the pot is late
and everybody would be like, oh my God, did not
smoke with her, Jesus. And I would be so disoriented,
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Like I remember being in grocery stores and I would
just be stopping random people to tell them how high
I was. I would be like trying to kill out
my money at the cash register and say to the
person at the cash register, I am so high. I
have no idea how much money is here. Like my
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friends were like, never, do not get high with her.
And so eventually I just I stopped because it started
giving me panic attacks. I mean to be horrific panic
attacks where it felt like my reality. I could not
tell what was real and what was my mind. I
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would start making up conversations that were happening. And later
on I started to do some research on this and
actually did a couple of papers on this. That weed, marijuana,
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it is a hallucinogen, and we think it's either a
stimulant or that it is something to chill you out.
And there are different types, definitely different types of weed
so as we know now with all of the dispensaries,
and you know, they could be used for all different purfoces.
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You know, back then it was just to buy bought
a joint from some dude with.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
A lot or you didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
And that's what I was going to say, like, yeah,
when when you were doing that, that's when weed wasn't
even that potent.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, it is just some homegrown stuff stuff like, So
what we are finding, what what we study are showing,
I should be uh, I should be actually citing my resources. However,
I'll see if I can find them. They are saying
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that that weed actually opens up a doorway into schizophrenia,
that it and kids that are much more susceptible if
they have the genetics and the predisposition for schizophrenia, that
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this is the perfect road into schizophrenia. And also those
are the ones that are ending off in the ers
and some of them this is the first time that
they've smoked, and yes, it can happen the very first
time that you smoke. It can put them into psychosis
and they don't come back. There's not like a all
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of it suddenly they come down. I certainly I saw
kids that ended up in and out of psychiatric facilities
after their very very first time that they smoked with
their friends there. But there are there are so many
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support groups now for parents whose kids never came back
after that very first time that their kids smoked AID.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
All right, So I hid one hundred percent support what
you're saying because of a personal experience I had. I
used to smoke weed all the time from the time
I was a teenager, and I've also done other drugs
like acid and mushrooms too, So I have like some
experience with doing drugs as a teenager, right, And I
started dabbling in like edibles when they became popular about
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ten years ago or whatever it was. And this one,
so I knew that like if I took am I
being correct to say, like two milligrams is like a
low I don't really remember, okay, So if I would
take like a half of a half of a gummy
or something, it would just make me feel like I
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had a glass of wine or something, and I don't
really like to drink. So I was like, oh, I'll
just do this to chill out at the end of
the night.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
So one of this girl that I was friends with.
I won't say that she was my I don't I
don't want to say that she was my friend. She
was an acquaintance of mine, but she was a really
good baker. And she said, oh she made like like
really fancy kind of bake goods and stuff like that.
And she was like, oh, I started making like weed
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things and I was like, oh, okay, cool. So she
gave me one.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
She gave me two.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Actually, so I gave one to one of my friends
and then I had one.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
So it was one night.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I was home alone with both of my kids that
were that were little like babies, and I was just like, oh,
I'm just gonna take like a little piece of this
to just like have like a glass of wine. Right
if you're with your kids and you have a glass
of wine, like nobody would think anything of that, right
of course. So and I'm sitting there and I took it,
and then all of a sudden, like something came over me,
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this feeling of like that I've never felt in my
life before.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
That I explain it.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
As like I understood for the first time how people
are like running up the street completely naked, like screaming
their head off because I was completely out of my
mind to the point where I so I called Maria.
How old were you at the time, like twenty?
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I called her at work.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
She was at work, and I was like, you need
to come home right now because I have the babies,
and like I, I like, am, I'm freaking out, like
something's not right. And Gabe was at work and I
was scared to death to call him. It was like
calling my dad right so, and Maria's like, all right, well,
I can't come home for an hour.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
She was like a bartender.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
She couldn't just like leave work right and then I
so I was sitting there and I was just like
I can't be home alone for another hour waiting for her.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
So I called Gabe.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
And I was like babe, and he's like, what you know,
because we don't ever talk on the phone, so whenever
we call each other, it's like the thing up. And
I said, you have to come home right now. I
took this weed gummy and like, I'm completely out of
my mind. And he's like, Nicole, do you mean to
tell me I got to close my company right now
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and come home because you took a weed gummy.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
And I was like yes, like it was.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I was so scared, and I was like, you really
just need to come home right now. And as soon
as he got home, he was like, go to bed
right now. He's so mad at me. And then I
was fine. And then Maria came home and you dan't
you come upstairs with me? And I was like totally
freaking out. I was like, I was seriously tripping my
face off, Like I I was convinced that this girl
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poisoned me.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Yeah, I didn't think it was weed, Like I was
just dude. I I was.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Just like I seriously saved it aside, and I called
my friend at the medical examiner's office and was like, Yo,
can you figure out how I could get this tested
because I think that this person tried to poison me.
I was tripping my face off, my teeth were chattering,
like I was outside in the ice cold and it
was like the winter and I was cozy.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:19):
It was the scariest thing that ever happened to me
in my life, and like, I'll never do it again
after that.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, I actually have a hard time even talking about
the episode where I tripped out completely, and I mean
I tripped out to the point where I was like
thinking that there were dinosaurs in the backyard there that
I discovered who the Antichrist was, And I mean it
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was like crazy, right, ours just completely separated from reality.
And it put me into therapy for a very long
time because I still get so freaked out. Like I
actually tried CBB and just I was having some back
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issues and everybody said, you know, and I did a
lot of research, there's a tiny tiny bit of THHC
in it, but I mean it's so minute it's not
going to cause any you can't get high off of it.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Took some. I took like a droper full, and I
would say within thirty minutes, I thought that one of
my crystals was talking to me. So I mean this
was probably six years ago, and I was like and
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then I started freaking out. Then I went into full
blown panic.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I was like digging through my stash because you know,
all nurses have like a stash of medications, and I'm like,
what do I have in here? And I called him
to my daughters, so I'm like, you gotta come over,
like I am absolutely, and they're like, oh my god, I.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Know how you feel.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Like I seriously, I was working at the hospital at
the time, and I was scared. I don't know why
because now like everyone's allowed to smoke weed. But I
was like, if I go to the hospital right now,
because I am like overdosing on weed, I'm like a
hospital employee, Like I don't want to get in trouble.
So I didn't go, but I feel like under normal circumstances,
I would have went to the hospital because I was like,
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I don't know if this is ever going to end,
and I feel absolutely insane. I mean, like I've done
mushrooms before. I never tripped like that in my life.
It was it was bad, and it was crazy and unexpected,
and I think I was so scared because I was
home alone and like, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
I think it probably two with a lot of young people,
and especially in the world of edibles, as young people
are very uneducated about doses and everything. So for example,
like you're saying you would take half of a half
of a gummy, well, a lot of gummies that you
were getting at that time were like ten milligrams, so
you were taking about two and a half milligrams of
a gummy and you said that would just feel like
drinking a glass of wine, Like there was a point
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in Philly ten years ago, or show where gummy bears
and TOUTSI rolls going around said they were ten but
they were really sixty. So if you had half of
a half, it was like a lot. I remember I
fell asleep at a Longhorn Steakhouse one day because I
took a half of a half, or I took. I
ate one right before one of my senior thesis shows,
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and I was like, I'm not even I don't even
remember what happened that night. I like totally blacked out.
I don't even remember what happened that night. I just
remember coming to at a Mexican restaurant with one of
my friends and eating like so much food. But I
knew of somebody that had one hundred milligram chocolate bar
in their house and their cleaning person ate the chocolate,
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which is a whole other problem because cleaning person should
not be eating your food in your house. But hours
later they get a call being like, hey, what was
that chocolate bar? Because she's having an episode because she
just ate a whole hundred milligram in one setting, which
I feel like would set me into straight side coasts
because I couldn't even handle ten.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah my dog. I had edibles
in my purse for my daughter. My friend gave them
to me because she didn't want them anymore. So I
was going to give them to my daughter two years ago,
and my dog got one of the edibles, so she
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had thhc fastoning. But I came home and I'm like,
what is wrong with her? Like she couldn't get off
the couch. She was falling over. She was so paranoid,
and she was just like flinching at absolutely anything. She
was like walking along the walls in the house, like
just trying to like get away from me. I felt
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horrible for fir. I felt terrible, But what I did
have some trasit down here for dogs, so I ended
up giving her a trasad down so she was able
to sleep it off.
Speaker 4 (52:19):
But oh my god, Yeah, it is scary.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
But I can't imagine like if I felt that way
and didn't even know that. I like, obviously I put
it two and two together that it was from eating
that cookie I had. But I'm like, what if you
just ate, like the cleaning lady you're talking about, you
just ate something you thought was chocolate, and then all
of a sudden you started getting that feeling I would
be so freaking scared. Yeah, it was like, I can't
(52:44):
explain it other than it was scary.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
It's not just scary, it's absolute terror. Because your mind
also tells you I am never going to come down.
This is my new reality, and you start to talk
yourself into I am going to be high for the
rest of my life. I'm not going to be able
(53:07):
to work, I'm not going to be able to take
care of my my family. Like it is. It's more
than just a panic attack. It is absolute separation from reality.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
Yeah, And I think that was another reason that I
was scared to go to the hospital, because I'm like,
they're going to put me, They're going to institutionalize me.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
Right now. I can't be in society like this, I know,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah, if it's stay, if it doesn't go away, I'm like,
is this what schizophrenic people feel like?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Every day? Oh my god, it was so bad.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
It was it's so bad, and it's just it really
is like and and it's something that people don't talk
about enough. However, there are so many communities now which
you know, there's there's wonderful things about TikTok, and there's
so much education out there about this phenomenon that these
(54:07):
kids are going through and helping them understand how to
for one, never get high again, and also to warn
kids that doing these drugs and doing marijuana, you think
that because everybody else does, it doesn't mean that you
(54:30):
have the same brain, and your brain could be that
one that whatever percentage it is, and it's a pretty
high percentage of kids that go through this. Anyone who
says that they think that the weed was laced, that
is the person that you should be concerned about that
has a potential for becoming a schizophrenic.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
For need, I mean, people are complete denial of issues
that could happen with weed too.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know.
Speaker 4 (54:57):
For I know we're going to get a ton of
hate on this SEP.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
You know what though, Like people can hate me, the
only reason that I say it is because it literally
happened to me. And I'm just like, I'm not just
like sitting from Afar and being reading papers and saying
this can happen like it happened to me, And I'm
telling you like it.
Speaker 4 (55:16):
Was, it was bad, It was really really bad. Yeah,
and I was a wee.
Speaker 3 (55:21):
I was like an everyday weed person at that point
for fifteen years of my life.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah, and then it happened, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, And you're right. People are going to give us hate,
and that's okay. You can have a differing opinion.
Speaker 4 (55:37):
However, you you can't anymore.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
You happen to have the type of brain that that
it's not dangerous to you.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, I don't know that situation that the Longhorn.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Was fris.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
That's just kidding. It's chary that you went to Longhorn.
That's the place is delicious. They like stuff, mushroom caps.
It deals on steaks.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
I'm gonta textas roadhouse near me, so you're that's.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Gonna be Vegetar.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Not not the best person to be selling the chain
steakhouses on I understand, but always a good time.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Hit us up.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
Please sponsor us, We'll accept it. All right to wrap,
Let's wrap this week up with this story about this nurse.
So it's Pennsylvania. Nurse has been accused of killing two
patients after stealing narcotics, injecting them in the er bathroom,
and then treating patients while impaired, which is contributing to
their deaths. What are your thoughts on this? They're also
(56:40):
now this information is coming out because of a whistleblower lawsuit,
So I don't think this was gonna come out otherwise.
And these whistleblowers are also accusing the hospital of trying
to I don't know if they are accusing them of
covering it up, but they're saying they didn't do a
good enough job of trying to do This sounds exactly
what happened into Amy.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Like here we are once again with the hospital not
willing to be open about some sentinel event that happened
within their walls. And this particular nurse had been reported
(57:23):
multiple times about his behavior, about his his obvious maljudgment, misjudgment.
What why can't Why isn't my mouth working the way
that I want?
Speaker 4 (57:41):
This has been my entire week. I just can't think
of anything.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
Well, you used to say it was because you're pregnant
all the time. Now what are you going to say?
Speaker 4 (57:48):
Well, now, my midwife said, placenta brain is forever that.
Speaker 1 (57:53):
I'm now retired, so has to speak in full sentence.
Since so yes that he had impaired judgment, and it
was very obvious he was high when he was working.
And yes, these sentinel events happened. One of them was
(58:17):
that he gave the wrong medication to a patient who died.
And another incident was a patient who was an alcohol withdrawal,
and apparently he did not care for him well and
(58:39):
did not give him the attention that he needed, and
he went out into the firking garage, fell and sustained
a serious head injury with a brain fleet that ended
up dying. And all of this was attached to his
impaired judgment, the nurses impaired judgment.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
And did you see the one thing that there was
a patient there that was supposed to get morphine and
the patient was freaking out saying that they didn't feel it,
they couldn't feel it. They were in so much pain,
screaming in agony. And here he was the one that
took the morphine.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 4 (59:18):
It's so mess up.
Speaker 3 (59:19):
There was like four The two people that you just
discuss had died, but there were there were other people.
And yeah, this one she was in severe pain, and
the swapped morphine with saline, so gave this woman saline.
She was screaming in pain and agony, saying I don't
feel it.
Speaker 4 (59:37):
I don't feel it. And here he had taken her morphine.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
Did you find anything about his license being revoked to suspended?
Did they.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (59:52):
So he has a history apparently of different things happening
and the hospital like getting fired from other institutions for things.
It's not it's so similar to yours. It's just like
kind of hospital jumping and the hospital being aware of
all this different stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
So so yeah, like he was.
Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Apparently on camera taking controlled substances from rooms. There's photo evidence,
like wasn't reported to the DEA, lied to the state
Board of Nursing when officials came to ask about him
to the hospital, it's shocking.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
It's more shocking because you're always going to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Find somebody that is addicted to drugs and is trying
to get it. It's more shocking from the hospital's response. Yeah,
like why what are they hiding it for?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Hire?
Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Another nurse shocked.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
By the hospital's response. That is the status quo of
how hospitals handle this. And I I would love to
find a hospital who would act actually treat this in
the way that it should be treated and being open
(01:01:06):
and you know, having deep briefings with the nurses who
had to endure being around him and being part of
his ships. And that's really what the hospital should be
doing is talking about how are we going to help
(01:01:27):
the other nurses because he is obviously fired now there's
not much that they can do. But what they should
be doing, and I would love hospitals to be doing
this is find a way to talk to the nurses,
what did we miss? How can we avoid this again?
(01:01:50):
And it should have been one complaint, not ten complaints,
just one complaint, and this guy should have been out
the door. So this is just what hospitals do. They
want warm bodies, and they definitely need to cover things
(01:02:12):
up because they they know that there will be public
outrage and it's you know, it's what they do and
it's what they do best. In these are These are
companies that which an infuriate infuriates me. That we call
(01:02:34):
healthcare an industry. That means that they that we are
warehouse workers. So they see it as an industry. Everyone
is replaceable, everyone is just a cog in the wheel.
They really do not give a ship and so and
(01:02:56):
so long as their bottom line that they have been
able to secure their bonus sense for their top people.
They don't care.
Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
What it's for respect for a hospital if they were like,
we were made aware of this situation and we handled
it and this is what happened. Then finding out months
to years later that they covered up a potential pr
crisis and people died as a result of it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
So, no, because it happens all the time, and because
it happens all the time, they think that they can
just get away with it. And it is and especially
with nurses now there's you know, there's there's so many
(01:03:44):
nurses out there that do have substance abuse problems and
it is you know, it's enopidemic. Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Do you think that they're trying to because obviously now
like they're going to be getting lawsuits associated with this
because they're going to be able to correlate the nurse that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
You know this and it's not causation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
So do you think that they're that they're trying to
avoid like lawsuits or.
Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So just because these nurses, these whistleblowers are saying that
these particular deaths were associated with the actions of this
particular nurse. Unless there is some type of criminal investigation
(01:04:36):
that goes along with this, then the hospital will not
be held accountable. He will not be held accountable. So
they have to actually prove, and medical homicide is one
of the most difficult things to prove. You need a
smoking gun. Causation and correlation are two totally different things,
(01:04:57):
as you know. And you know, can they say that
that guy that that smashed his head out in the
parking lot is actually this guy's falt, this nurse's fald.
I don't know. That's a stretch.
Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
Yeah, I understand that, so yes, I you know, these
whistleblowers are saying, Okay, these are suspicious activities, but they're
not necessarily criminal.
Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
That's it's it's just so messed up.
Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
It's scary as a patient to think, like I just
witnessed Maria being in pain giving birth, and like to
think like, oh, that the person would be putting saline
in her thing instead of the drugs that she needed.
Is it's so upsetting to think about a person being
in pain intentional like like that.
Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
You know it has all the time, don't tell.
Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Me it is true, and it is. It's so challenging
because I know how broken the system is. I understand
how broken this system is. I am doing my small
small part to help the mental health of the nurses
(01:06:17):
who are still in it or have been damaged by it.
But it is really broken, very very broken, and I
don't see it being fixed in our lifetime. I do not.
I know that we can make We can certainly make steps.
(01:06:40):
There are a lot of wonderful creators out there right
now that are trying really hard to change the system,
and I'm hoping we're making a difference. I'm hoping that
at least we can reach those healthcare workers that have
and had moral injuries from the institutions that they're working for.
(01:07:09):
I'm hoping we can feel down. But it's really broken,
very very broken. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
I mean, and you could argue that it's getting worse,
which is.
Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Oh, it's definitely getting worse.
Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah, I mean, I could just see it from talking
to my friends, like you just you really couldn't even
believe it. And you're going to have a problem because
eventually people are going to be like, why would I
want to do that for a living?
Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I think that's happening now, at least the people that
believe they're going into it to help people. I understand
how it's still very romanticized. And I'm not saying that
there isn't a calling, but that calling when people say
(01:08:07):
that they have a calling to take care of people
in healthcare, those are the people that tend to not
speak up because it's a calling for them. So therefore
they're seen as heroes. We're not heroes. We are you know,
(01:08:28):
we are professionals. And when it is when people are
given hero status, those people then cannot speak up for
themselves because then there is an expectation that they are
just going to take it because you're a hero.
Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Because you signed up for it. And that's me.
Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And so what it is is that it's it's bringing
people who do understand that you can make good money
and consistent money in this industry. And uh, that's what
it's drawing. It's it's people who really don't care for people.
(01:09:09):
So it's it's quite the paradox.
Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Well this is like.
Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
That'd be down, no, So so what let's talk for
a real second, Like what are what are you into
right now? Like you're saying you're retired, are you really
retired or you like, are you working on any projects?
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
So I have a huge product project that is just
being finished up. I have developed the algorithm for healing,
and I have four separate has algorithms for healing, uh,
(01:09:54):
moral injury, debrief things, and violence in the workplace, bullying,
And each one of these workbooks and journals walks you
through the process of how your brain works, how to
open up those injuries and that trauma, and walk you
(01:10:18):
through a process of healing. And so many healthcare workers
will not go to let's say their employee assistance program
because they're really afraid that all of their information is
going to be going back to the employer, which it does.
(01:10:40):
So what these workbooks do, these modules, Each one of
them is set up for one particular institutional injury that
has occurred. And so now I am starting to get
these workbooks out there and starting to have these little
(01:11:00):
mini retreats where I walk healthcare workers through these algorithms.
And it is it's all of the modalities that helped me,
you know, working with self hypnosis, meditation, crystals, acupressure, different
(01:11:22):
different in two ways to use nature to help heal
that part of your brain that has been injured. And yeah,
so I'm really proud of these modules. I'm really proud
of this project and it should be up on Amazigon
and Pool thing was in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
So oh awesome, amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Yeah, you're gonna have to like let us know when
that's off so we could let everybody know about it.
Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Thanks so much for being here with us today. It
was great and your your weed story was great. And
I hope people instead of just like hey on us
for talking about it, can like just see that. We're like,
you know, as you get older and you try to
talk to your kids, you're just like listen, like I
don't want you to have to go through what I.
Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Went through, so like, just listen to me.
Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
And I really hope that people will tell us their stories. Yes,
please want to hear their stories of when they tripped out.
Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And we yeah, well, hopefully by next we'll get a
tony emails this weekend and then next week we'll talk
about them on the show.
Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yeah, listeners right into stories at Mothernosdeath dot com with
your outrageous weed stories. We'd love to hear them.
Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Well.
Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Thank you so much. We love having you on as always. Yes,
come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
My favorite podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Ember.
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for listening to
Mother Knows Death as a reminder, my training is as
a pathologist assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a
(01:13:07):
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or alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor.
This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
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