January 15, 2026 • 46 mins
Kyles kicks the New Year off right by celebrating creativity & silliness with actor, comedian & writer extraordinaire, Holmes. The OVERCOMPENSATING castmates discuss what it was like making the show & using improv to bring the iconic Hailey to life, why they feel more comfortable as characters than themselves, the internet as nonbinary, TWIN PEAKS & David Lynch’s one-of-a-kind talent, the healing powers of live improv & laughter, the impact catering to an audience has on art, Holmes’ love for timers & THE BACHELOR, the lasting importance of queer representation & an unforgettable round of “Would You Rather”.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
At first you were like rand the my eighties, gonna
have you hanging on to her like a pet? What
do you think Internet's giving more boy or girl? But
I really didn't have much of a filter growing up.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I love your hair.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's called on Bret, and I think you've always been goofy.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now why you say something like that?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Doing an improv every single night was it felt like
sweating for my brain. I actually the ex boyfriend, He's like,
you should improvise online? And I was like, you shouldn't
be going. Will you tell me if I'm boring you?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You would never say I have not watched the batch.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is amazing, pan sextual president. I do not enjoy
a prank chunky litergy.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was on the card where I was like, God,
men are in a prison.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I had no idea about how much yellow does it
take to get to opik.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I don't know what are we even do?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Day?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm Kyle and we're here with what are we even doing?
This is where we sit down with artists, creative musicians,
actors and we talk about their creativity, their process out.
They use the internet. And today we have a very
very very special guest, brilliant comedian, writer actor known for
the roles and hacks. I watched that scene over compensating.
(01:05):
Welcome to Flatch. I want to talk about Jenny Bicks
Welcome homes. So nice that you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you so much for having me. I feel very lucky.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I really only actually only had a little coffee today,
So just know, like I'm not that nervous. It's mostly
just coffee, but I do. I am like a little
bit nervous in your presence still, really.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh, I don't. Yeah, I want you to feel totally
totally comfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's nothing you've done. I'm I'm like he was scary
on seving. No, he wasn't. It's not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's more that like I grew up with specifically actually
Desperate Housewives, and so I think it's like the channels
like an energy of me being a child or something, yes,
being with you, Like I'm sort of like, you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Know, oh, but sure I love Desperate Housewives. That was
really a fun job.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I wish I didn't watch it as a kid, though,
Like you know how like your parents would put anything
on just like what was on the TV.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But I remember that scene where they went to the
basement and that one guy was a pedophile, and I
was like, I didn't need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
About that, Please don't share that with you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it was like new topic unlocked, you know, like
I wasn't sure. But other than that, that was okay.
Love the show means the world loved Orson.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, it was good. Orson was a lot of fun,
just fun to work with. And Marsha Cross, who was
a great friend. She just was so just wonderful to
work with. She's she's trained like we trained for the theater.
You know, we had this when we shared this kind
of passion. When we actually had scenes together that were
really humming along, it was really fun because she's really
talented and we would just be back and forth. I
(02:24):
remember loving those days.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So did you improvise on a show like that?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I know you're not really encouraged. Yeah, yeah, some it's
it's interesting some shows overcompensating for example, right, and your
improv work. And that's where I think I really sort
of I said, who is this person?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I said, yeah, at first you were like random, No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, I didn't know. I didn't know because you were
creating something you were creating an individual person that was
very different, very special. And I don't know if Benny
had said, oh, this is kind of who she is,
or if you came to her and said, I'm going
to do this with a character. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think that it was different than they expected. For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I think like definitely her personality was on the page
as far as like I really understood that. I when
I got that monologue for the script where she's sitting
next to Carmen and explaining candid campus couture, that was
my audition. But yeah, I originally auditioned for Carmen and
then they sent which is more the kind of tape
I would get normally, because like, while he's like the
most beautiful person in the whole world, like the description
of the person was kind of like goofy, awkward, you
(03:23):
know where. So then they were like, hey, we loved
her Carmen tape.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Let's see her do Haley. And when I saw it,
I was like, I.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Never get to audition for things like this because it
was sort of like party Girl, because you know, this
industry is like it's very it's a very look based
industry and it's a big reason. Growing up in mostly Nebraska, Florida,
my dad worked for the railroad, Like, why I'm not
in this wedding. Grew up in this industry, right, it
was very obvious to me that like I wouldn't be
allowed in I think, And so I just was like,
(03:49):
I'll do improv. And so I moved to Chicago after
college and was just like I can be anyone and like,
I'll just work random jobs all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And then when I create yourself basically yes, I mean
that's the beauty of improv. And I think without long
form and profit, look, I'm like, just so you guys know,
like my idide is gonna have you kind of hanging
on to her like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
A pet, that's why she's there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But I think long form improv really sets you up
to be able to play like any age and really
believe it or any any type of person.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Talk to me about that long form improv because my
first experience with real, first experience with improv was on
Portlandia working with Fred and carry Yes and total geniuses
and total geniuses, and I was I came into it
maybe the way you thought. I was like, I I'm
scared to death. I really, this is not what I do.
You know, I gotta have a scrap up. And then
they were like no, no, no, no, they said it, and
I just they were so encouraging and just so helpful,
(04:38):
and I started to just come in play.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I believe that you would play because I remember I
was only on set with you for like a day,
but when you were kind of like getting hit by
the football and you kind of were like, you know,
you were giving it, you were you were giving it
your some play, which meant the world.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I get very scientific with it because I'm like, Okay,
this has to happen. Then this has to happen. And
then I try to like then just forget everything and
let it go, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But see, that's like it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I love hearing other people's processes because I actually I
would really love an experience to be on a show
that is more of like a drama or drama TA
or something that is very like on the script, because
I haven't had that before, and I actually feel a
lot safer in an improv space. Like basically, so I
got welcome to flatch that job. It was like, okay,
they picked me because of my improv skills, because it
(05:23):
was basically just like from a video on the internet.
I still auditioned with all the scenes, but part of
the audition process was improvising, Like they would ask me
questions in character, right, and you'd improvise. And so then
when that show ended and I had to go into
the audition world, and I didn't have the skill of
it at all, so like I was trying to do
like the scenes like perfectly and stuff. And then I
(05:45):
had a friend aid in my area who's an amazing
actress too, and she was like, you can like play
in your audition, like you can do your audition how
you would, like use your strength, like you don't have
to audition like everyone, cause you know, like you look
at how other people do it and you're like, I'll
do it like that, you know. Like I was living
with another amazing act her at the time, and I
was like, oh, I'll do auditions just like her. And
then I really was like, oh, you know what, Like
(06:05):
I think the only way I'm going to get these
parts and stand out at all is if I probably
improvise in my auditions a little bit. And so for overcompensating,
like you did that, yes, And then like the callback
like anytime I did the monologue, I would add different stuff,
and I feel very free in the play zone, where
I think that I would like an experience of being
(06:25):
in like a really serious play or something like that,
just to be like, no, you actually have to make
this new every time, even when it's like the same line.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's another challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's another challenge, and I want to do it some day.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, but I think I think the ability to improv
like that, not only as yourself but as a character,
I mean that's another level altogether.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, we were just talking about this before we started.
We didn't talk long. Don't even stress it, guys, but
Kyle is saying like I feel more comfortable being in
a character than myself, which is like probably a weird thing, but.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It's like I feel the same.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yes, I love that you say that, because I'm curious
about your reason. My reasoning is that I first off,
it's like I feel like I can't mess up because
we'll like she did that, And so I think with
Hailey specifically, it was like really permission to be like
when I would kind of play at home with her lines,
I would just like have so much fun and make
myself laugh because I was like, she can say really
(07:21):
anything because also she doesn't know any of the stuff
I know yet, like normally an improv, you're like play
to the height of your intelligence, right, And I was like, well,
she's not as smart as me, you know. She like, yes,
I was like, I'm thirty two. I was like, so
I really let myself like kind of go to a
place of like someone who cares really big and has
you have all these feelings before your frontal lobe forms,
(07:41):
you know, you're like just feeling all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, And like I was like that, I mean, like that's.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So intuitive, that's really smart, because it really did. It
felt like you were just leading with emotion. Yes, I
mean no filter, no filter, you know, which I love too.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I relate to that. Even though we're very Haley and
I are very different.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, I own apology to tons of people, and
I've given a lot out, you know, but I really
didn't have much of a filter growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I would say, But I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You, though, do you why do you feel more comfortable
being in character?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Do you think I think it's it's a similar thing
I think I feel if I step, if I'm in
somebody's shoes. Then there's a freedom there. There's a looseness
there that settles in because I feel I feel very
like structured, you know, when I'm just myself trying to talk.
I've gotten better as I've gotten older, and I think
you just sort of care less, I think somehow, And
to be honest, this journey that I'm on with the
(08:31):
podcast and everything and experiencing and working with really young creatives,
I'm like, there's a lot of relaxation. There's a lot
of freedom, there's a lot of authenticity. There's a lot
of let it all hang out. You are who you
are and this is how it works. And I'm like,
that is different than when I was coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, so I think about this all the time because
I have like immense envy that you got to like,
I mean, being a woman is horrible at a bunch
of stages in life. I no special time, right, but
I feel like you got to act and be in
movies before smartphones. And I do not hate the Internet.
I have love for her and hate for her. You know,
I have all the feelings for her. You know, there's
(09:08):
the nuance there is she or her. I haven't decided
but do you think internet's getting more boy or girl?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It sort of depends on where. Yeah, I think so,
I think it's I think it's both.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But like I was talking to a friend the other
day who's a musician, Kevin Morby. I was out with
Caleb Heron and him to dinner, and I asked how
music has changed, how he thinks music has changed since smartphones,
like how if he hears it, and he was like,
I don't think he'd be mad at me for saying
this because it was just interesting. But he said, it
feels more like spot On always, like it's like there's
(09:41):
like less like it's like you're losing this is me
making my own words now like you're using losing some uniqueness.
And so it's interesting because I do think podcasts you
get someone's full personality.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But because we're absorbing so.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Much content on a day to day basis, I do
find that like people are trying to be more similar
to each other almost than ever before in a way,
or if they're trying to be different, it's like really
like this purposeful different versus like some of the projects
you know you've been a part of, you know, like
where it was just like such original voices because there
(10:14):
wasn't that it constant influence.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, that I mean that. I pointed directly to David
Lynch for that. David was one of a kind, you know,
and there was no way that anyone could try to
replicate or capture. In fact, it was a difficult when
we were working on Twin Peaks, you know, David, David
and Mark Frost created they wrote this together. David directed
the pilot of Twin Peaks, which still I'm so proud
of today.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So good.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'll be completely honest, I hadn't seen it before I
was doing this, and then I went and started.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Same right, they're both just now coming.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I just honestly wasn't allowed to really watch much TV
growing up, so it's like all catching up an adulthood.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But I'm loving it, and that's all.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It made me think of that, and that's kind of
why I was asking Kevin even because I was just like,
I feel like we're losing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Ugly original, interesting, like like ugly good, yeah, like do
you know or something like it's like everything is so tall.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But then I'm sort of I'm kind of I'm kind
of optimistic because I feel and this is just my
own personal journey. But I feel like I am much
less sort of self aware than I was when I
was younger and in the business. You know, presentation, how
you're seeing, you know, what you wear, would you look like?
You know what you say, how you're photographed. All this
stuff is like very very like, Okay, we've got to
(11:26):
plan this all out, make sure that you're gonna you're
gonna fit what we're trying to make you into, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Because there was less control, and it be like this
one thing everyone would.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
See, yeah, and you were trying to you were the
same thing. I was trying to follow along with people
that were already kind of where I wanted to be, right,
So so got to get all two yes. So I
was like, okay, that's let's go there. But what I
found along the way is like, you know what I'm
I'm much more comfortable just hanging out and being myself,
which is kind of goofy, kind of fun, not really
(11:54):
caring too much a little bit, but not caring too much.
Like I said, I know my hair is but six
different shades of color on his way called it's called
an That's so nice to know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
All right, we kind of actually are both working in
aubrey right now. In my hair, I don't know if
you guys can tell, still drying from my shower.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I've never own a blow dryer.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't I can't imagine spending the time to dry
my hair.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Dying naturally, very nicely.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, it's the world, Kyle, Okay, Yes, I really
like to hear this, and I think I needed to
hear that because I yeah, maybe it is because when
smartphones were introduced in my life, it was like such
a younger age that I didn't I was never in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Without that, you know, And so that's actually helpful to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But what you say is true as well. I think
there's an influence. And my son is seventeen, and I
can see that. I can see the influence he's he
kind of walks to his own though, which.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Is what lesson did you teach him about how to
be a good guy?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He is?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He came out that way, she's in a way, he
really did. He's always been very He.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Came out and he was like, I will treat women incredibly.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But he and he also came through the period of
time the age he started in New York. He went
to Friends Seminary. There's very forward thinking school, and that
was just part of the culture of that school and
also of the generation somehow, And and he taught me.
I was like, okay, okay, I got to pay attention
to these things are important, you know, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Really he wasn't to cry ever or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, not, no, not really. And he's very loving, He's
very affectionate. All he I will, I'll take a little bit,
take a little bit. But I was not that way
growing up. I think I was inside that way. I
was kind of a sensitive kid. But I said, no, not,
you know, that's not how it works. And even even
in my early work.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You're punished doing it in society, like even if you
had good parents, it really doesn't matter where you're like
who your surroundings are on your day to day because
it just takes like one, I'm very sensitive, sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And that my acting.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
For sure, but like my team and stuff has like
tried to get me to a podcast like a lot
of times in my past, and who knows, maybe someday
I will. But to me, like like when I leave
here today, this will be me in my car. Why
the fuck did you say something like that, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What I mean, Like I immediately I'm hard on myself,
but it's like I also think it's like this thing
with the Internet that you have to stand by what
you said all the time, where it's like I kind
of change my opinion all the time, Like I'll.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Be like you not on big stuff like you know,
I mean, like.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But it's written yeah, you feel like it's written in
stone kind.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Of like casual little things.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's why I like characters, because they are
all thinking different. Like of course, I like know my
values that I stand on, but as far as like yeah,
little opinions like it can just change. But I think
there is a beauty to making maybe things less precious
in that way. And like like I miss I found
like when I came up in the improv scene, what
healed me about doing an improv every single night was
it felt like sweating for my brain, Like it felt
(14:45):
like my brain was sweating. I could do anything. We
were in a live place, I was. I was so
lucky to be in an era of time in Chicago
where like our shows would be full, Like of course
I did shows for like two people and stuff too,
but we would do like sold out improv shows, and
it felt like a Okay, I can say anything. I
can whatever happened in my day to day, I can
let that out energy guise in a character. It doesn't
(15:07):
no one's watching it at home later and then yes, I.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Move on, yeah, and so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That I need to.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And then since I've got I've found that I've like lot,
I found I've been like more scared of my goofy sometimes,
like I have like shed layers of my goofy, but
when I get in a character, I can do it again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, like me, it's like, look, I'm so.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Serious, right, do you think you've gotten goofy or with
age or like, yeah, you do know what, I think
I've always been goofy, and I think you've always been
goofy and I always will be goofy.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But I think it's you know, you can do phases,
goofy phases depending on what's happening in your life in
the world. But I just feel like it's just you know,
it's why not have a laugh. That's just the most
important thing.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's literally so important. And I find myself like under
the current administration and just like with what's going on
in our country, like and there's like really valid fears,
like we have white supremacists in charge.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I'm like, laughing is so important in this.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Time and I have to get better at I'm like
actively working on it right now, being like how do
I'm still make people laughtering this? Because I know, like
something like all the comedians who inspire me are people.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Who talk about the current times while.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Also making me laugh so hard, like we get to
laugh at the evil with like like minded people and
it's like this like really healing thing.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah. No, I looked like Colbert for me. I watched
even just because he's just love him so smart and
and it's that kind of you. He's kind of that
serious but funny, which is the type of humor I
really love.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
No, like John Shure, it's great too, but he's like,
I'm want to play it. He's crazy, Yes, Stephen Colbert
is like he's got this whole rap going and then
then he just gives you a little smile, a little wink,
and you're like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I just like there's a confidence there that you like
know he's gonna save it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Caleb Heron, who is a close friend. Like whenever I'm on.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stage with him, it feels like this really safe space
where I just know that, like no matter where we
go conversation wise or anything, that it's like.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You've explained that so well. We didn't you together at
Caleb and he came on the show. Yeah, And i'd
met him before we did like a little thing together.
I didn't know him, you know, I hadn't met him ever,
but I watched him work and we had shared a
little scene together, and I watched him. I said, this
guy knows what he's doing. This guy is smart, this
guy is he's cutting and editing in his head for
just a little tiny moment and I just thought. I
(17:17):
watched his face and I watched him repeat and know
what he needed to do at a certain point in time,
and I just took it all and I was like, Okay,
and you're absolutely right. He's incredibly confident, so well spoken,
so smart. And I was like, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So smart.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, it's a big I think that some people
who make comedy look so easy, like people will be like, well,
like some guys love to come to comedians and like
you know and be like, you know, I could be
a comedian.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's like because it's an easier thing to say versus
like if you saw like a dancer or something, you know,
because I think you watch it and you're like, I'm
making my friends laugh all the freaking time, you know, like,
and then it's.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like you actually, and I think Caleb, when I watch him, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Like it feels so effortless, yes, And I'm just like,
it's not like he works in being his close friend.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm like, he works so hard.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, but that's the thing about comedy, good comedy. It
looks effortless, but it's incredibly challenging. Yes, everything is. It
hangs on just you know, a moment to timing, you know,
a link, a look glance.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It is why improv is like such an incredible skill
to have. But I will say, like I used to
rely on it so much when I was in Chicago.
I would like do stand up occasionally there, but I
would mostly do improv, right, And I would like really
rely on my improv skills in stand up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So I would be like go to a mic or.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Something and I'd be like, this is the topic and
we're just going to play, you know, and I would
like get laughs and I'd be like, did it do?
I was also like drinking, and you know when you're
like drinking and you like listen to the recording later
and you're like not as funny as I.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Was, Like, God, I killed, but I did. I did,
honestly do well often.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But then I moved to la for two years and
did a couple of shows and there would be all
industry in the audience and I would I came like
with that same type of energy for the first couple
where it was just like we have a couple of concepts,
like and I'd be really good, feel like one of them.
I had like a note in my belly button, like
I was being so weird, right and then like I
was like everyone was looking at me like really like
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just like and then I.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Had to talk to myself. I was like, hey, so
you have to have like jokes.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Written out and like they have to be really polished,
and then you get to use your improv skill to
play off of those. It's what's so funny about reviews.
And I think it's so funny when people give a
lot of weights reviews because I'm like this is like
one dude's opinion of like art, like it's so great,
it's so like my favorite art will never be that
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for everyone, right ever, so I think sometimes you have
to find yourselves, Like who are my favorite artists?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I can name a hundred people who hate them, but
you know what I mean, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Still like, yeah, I mean, I go back. I'm thinking
about David Lynch and I'm saying, you know, he certainly
was not for everybody, you know what I mean, But
what he created, I think, just personally, what he created
is universal and I think very deep and very very special,
of course, very specific to him, and it'll live on forever.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It will live on forever, and it's very special. And
voices that try to seem like everyone else's they don't
live on forever.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They blend in not in a mean way, and I
totally get it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm just like, I just hope people can remember that
when like they're scared to try something.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, new voices. You were talking about earlier and how
the Internet may be sort of squelching new voices or
it's just not encouraging. I think you can individual individuality,
individual voices.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right when I came.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Up on Twitter, so basically like yeah, I was just
improvising in Chicago, and then my team was like my team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Mightn't have a team. My team wasn't worked at a gym.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I worked at a gym, and my boss would go
and I'd be like, look did it do like do
like a silly video? Right? I actually the ex boyfriend
whos like you should improvise online and I was like,
you shouldn't be calling, you know, but getting we're friends.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I just went to his wedding.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I know, his grandma was like being really really so
friendly to me, where I was like, let's pay attention
to the bride, but we are close friends. He was
such a comedy fan and it was really helpful in
college because I actually like was kind of more in
the music scene. I would say than even comedy, just
because I loved comedy, but the comedy could see and
it can be a boys club. It's changed a lot,
but it was like in college, I would say definitely
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giving that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Anyways, he was like yeah, when I was in Chicago,
he was like, you should have record some of this
and put on the internet because he watched people doing that.
So I was like, I'll do that when I'm working
at the gym and my boss is gone, right, so
I started.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Doing that or multitaskers.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You are, oh, big time, big time. I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I literally thought I couldn't learn how to play guitar
for the longest time. But it's because the beginning part
of learning is like, oh, so pouring and you're just
like here alone and I'm like canon. And then someone
was like, you know, you could like watch TV while
you play, and I was like, but then you're like
cheating or something, and they're like no, And so then
I like learned how to play because I would just
like practice the boring stuff while I would like watch,
(21:42):
honestly in the pandemic, like all of Sex in the
City I had never seen. I watched all of Sex
in the City while I was learning to do basic chords,
and then I was like doing two.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Things at once.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's the best way.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Really, I would say one that gets a four.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right. All this is say I was a record these
and what I found was I didn't care at all
what people's opinion was because I didn't have a goal
with it. Then when I start getting attention on the internet,
I found that you start to notice what does better
than other things, you know, and that starts to of
course influence how you make art and what you what
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you're because you're like, well, this is what they're liking more,
and it's like, well, who are they? Because you might
I think something I've been talking to myself about, like
if I ever do start a podcast, or like I'm
about to move to New York and I'm going to
start a monthly show, and I want to be like,
I want to really take time and remember who is
the audience I want to speak to. Yeah, because sometimes
you can find an audience that isn't even who your
(22:39):
goal audience is, but they'll love something so much that
I've watched, like amazing voices in our generation kind of
like cater to an audience and honestly become kind of
like scary people sometimes because they're like, that's the audience
that likes me.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, that's so interesting, because I immediately thought how tempting
it is to watch and look and say, ah, this
is getting you know, these many hits, these likes, this
is not hit.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I talk about multiple things I want, it's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
One hundred percent. But then I think to myself, wait, wait, wait, wait,
you can't go there right because whatever is happening in
here is the most important thing. So it's what's coming
out of you. This is what I need to say,
and that's that's where, and that's the heart. It's the
hardest thing is to go back to that. And I
again I look to David David Lynch and I say,
he was always here, first the idea and then create
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whatever he created, didn't matter who's going to like it,
who's not going to like it. I need to do
this thing, do that thing, and I I try to
remember that because it's.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
For someone, the fact that I really genuinely believe the artist.
When you feel something inside you that is supposed to
come out, it is for someone. And if you start
to cater to someone that your thing isn't.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
For it's not gonna you're killing it. You're like feeling,
you're going to be like numb little boy.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But that makes me so I'm I'm very inspired by him,
even from starting twin by watching Blue Velvet, I'm just like,
I'm very inspired. And I love hearing you say this
stuff too, because I really, yeah, it makes me really excited.
And I think that the Internet is a tool and
if we remember what we just talked about, it can
be used beautifully.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah yeah, just with caution. I think with caution, Yeah,
use with caution.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You sleep with their phone in your room, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But I'm I'm kind of like, I'm like, I'll I'll
just turn it. I don't have a I don't really
have a problem putting it away.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You're not addicted.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'm not addicted. I mean, but when you are, but
it is a time suck, you know what I mean.
And when you sit and you start going because then
some stuff is interesting, You're like, oh, I, oh, you
know what is Neil de grass Tyson the same I'm
reading about Saturn, Like this is kind of cool, and
you know, and then it goes to something else, you know,
even then you go something goofy, and then you go back.
But so I get caught up in like, oh, that's
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sort of you know, it's a time.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I'll set a time or for I'm a time or
person so important. Like that's why I can have roommates too.
I like say it's for me, it's like it's for them.
When I live with people, the big one other timers
going off, I'm like time to eat you know, like
I have timers going off all the time, and I
do them when I write, I'll set thirty minute timers,
so it's like you don't look at your phone for
thirty minutes, and when I tell you that thirty minutes
will be like, I'll be like that was nine hours.
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Where then like I'll be on my phone for a
second and like like a whole hour went by, and
I like, you know, learned.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That like trees communicate through their roots. Yes, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I know it's interesting somebody, But I also like, see,
you know, there's a I also see like people being like,
what if you were skinny just enough that you die?
And it's like, well, I don't want to die. I
from not eating, you know. I'm like, let's get back
to the trees. You know, will you tell me if
(25:39):
I'm boring you? Ever, you would never say.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You're not boring?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What if that would literally go so viral over if
you literally were like this and you were like, you're
boring me viral a million likes.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
People would literally lose their minds.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, I'm sorry it's not true.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Fine, but first catch, maybe we could do it. Okay,
here's what I'll say the pant sexual Bachelor. Basically what
happened is came up in Chicago scene, then got welcome
to Flash and then I'll like, I guess I'm an
actor now what the heck? So then I was like, okay,
I moved to Los Angeles, right city at Dreams and so,
and it was right after COVID, So I was like,
am I on vacation? And then I was like no,
like you don't have a job. And so I have
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always been a big fan of Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They changed the whole thing. But it used to be
the best comedy on TV. I mean these inadvertent comedy
it was. Yeah, I mean the producers knew what they
were doing. They really did. And also by the end,
I would always like end up like loving a girl
who in real life I would have judged, you know,
like in real life there's a type of girl that
was like, you know, means to me growing up, maybe
because I was like chubby or whatever. Who Like then
(26:35):
I see an adulthood and I'm just like, oh stupid. Yeah,
And like by the end of the like Final Three
and Bachelor, I'd be like I love Alyssa and like
she means the best, you know. So I always love
The Bachelor, and I also I'm obsessed with romance.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I just think it's like the most interesting thing we do.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So would always watch The Bachelor, and so then I
was like, what if I am the Bachelor and the
fan sexual is just like I would say the nerd
TV word they would have used instead of saying like
queer or something.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So that's why I did it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
For the thing, I would never call myself pan sexual,
allowed no offense to anyone who does. It just kind
of sounds like I would just say queer fits me more.
I guess for me, it's a little kind of more
the ugly thing. You know, pan sexual is like, oh
I am pun sexual. I feel like if we ever
had a queer president, it would be a pan sexual president.
Please God, can you imagine with the country be in
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such a great, beautiful place, I would start doing ply
their legiance again. But what I'll say is this, I
was like, I need to make pe'll come to the
improv show. So I was like, I'll be the Bachelor.
I'll cast all my funny friends and they all get
to pick a character that they get to play for
the whole time, but I will be myself and then
we'll do it like the actual Bachelor, but we'll have
like six episodes, but it will be a live show.
(27:43):
And I structured it with a friend and a wife's
amazing producer.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We structured it so.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like we knew, like we knew that there would be
like a group date, a one on one date, and
there was always a confessional on stage, which was very fun.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We knew how it would structured, but within all the.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Scenes it was fully improvised, so it like allowed for this,
like it was so fun.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Have you ever watched The Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You can be honest, I have not watched The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I've seen like moment you know, like you see that that.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Makes a kind of sense that you have watched it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I don't watch the Housewives, and I'm always left out
of a friend group talks about it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They're all talking about the Housewives.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I only like reality shows that are like competitions two
in love, which is like really a dark thing we do.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But I'm hooked.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, not with a new Bachelor, but what they do
on Bachelor sometimes is you'll have you have a.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
One on one date.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, so you're on a date with someone and they
like bring you to this like weird castle or something,
and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like where where are you? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And then they'll bring out like a talent, so like
you're talking to this person you don't know, and then.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Like they'll be like like Rocky in the Moon Star, like.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A band you've never heard of, right, or like something
or the like genuinely will always be like Blade of
Grass and then like one guy comes out and he's
like and it's like he's like singing for them and
they're like just getting to know each other and like dancing.
It's like really uncomfortable, right, It's like it's like amazing commed.
Watch this, watch some old seasons. So we would do
that like on the date where I would have another
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comedian come out, Like I had my friend Laura Peake
do a stand up set for me and one of
the people on a date, so we had to like
kind of relate through the stand up set, like so
like I really.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Just let it be.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It was really Yeah, it's very like, well, do you
ever watch Nathan Fielder stuff?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I have?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Know, Yeah, my show was not what Nathan Fielder does.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I will say that I think The Bachelor actually did
do a lot of stuff that Nathan Fielder did, but
they weren't they didn't have the same mission. But to me,
I laughed the same at both of those shows. Well
that's what's because all the reality shows now are very
much like super edited in.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Like hot contracts. Yeah, yeah, where it used to.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Be like, you know, two people who like are pretty socially.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Awkward, like you notice on a date like I don't know,
growing up was tough, you know, and it's like there's
like a camera right there and you can tell they
like feel it like it used to be really awkward.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And I like that we've been chatting here, but we
want to just have a couple of little conversation about
over compensating, which we're both in and what we both
worked in it, and you you can tell me about
your experience playing and I love this, Haley Marie Matthews
aka hmm. And then I was thinking not interrupt, but
then I was thinking, you know, I'm Kyle Merritt maclachlin,
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so I'm I was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like, it doesn't have the same ring too, but meant
the world, I literally.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Like that's the honesty coming out right now, because I'm like,
what do you mean? It doesn't have the same ring. God,
it sort of sounds good to me.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I was just telling Kyle that I honestly is my
greatest weakness and strength. With Haley, I found that my
getting into her was easier than any character before because
the outfits and the makeup and stuff was so extreme.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like I felt like I was in I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That wasn't your Yeah, I'm like you pieces.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
From Home and of my favorite pieces from Home did
naked in?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I know Ward of Saxony. Can you bring can you
actually bring your Leopard tops? I don't have any.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But so I think that they really helped a lot
because it was stuff that I like, I like, don't
show very much skin of my day to day. I've
gotten better at as I get older, I'm better at
It's a weird way to say. I'm just like, yeah,
we dress them. Yeah, I'm like four years old and
I'm only like huge gowns.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I just feel like it helped a lot because I
really felt like a different personally. And I also didn't
know these people before this show, so, like Benny and
I had met at two different surprised because we met
at two different shows that like we but had never
hung out. We like thought each other were funny, but.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
That was it. And then like Marybeth and I knew
who each other were from the internet.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I've always really looked up to her. I think she's
one of our best stand upsazing she's so she is
so funny. It is actually crazy because it's like one
of those girls who like You're like, oh, she's gonna
like be scary or like serious. Like it's almost like
the Bachelor effect with Mary Beth, where I'd be.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Like, hmmm, you know, and that's see scary. They can
work both ways.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh then when she opens her mouth she blows me away.
I'm like everything she says is a joke. Like I'm like,
talk about like Caleb and her both I think have
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But so I knew that dead pantad still.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yes, and Wally it didn't know.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And I fell in love with Wally like one of
my really really close friends. Yeah, and so all that
to be said, though, it was kind of like they
were meeting me as this like Haley Holmes hybrid, because
right away I got to set and I was right
away in her costume costumes, in dyeing.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
My hair, and like was very in that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And so even in my time off of Haley, I
did feel like, I mean, it's just such an extreme character,
so she kind of is in you a little bit.
Like I would notice things like that I would normally
never get upset about or something, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Would just be like a little bit like that's that's fucking.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Annoying or whatever, and then I'd be like, you're actually
homes right now and you're acting like you're twelve, you know.
But it's because Haley was like really in me during
those months, but she was also in me in a
positive way because I felt like, what my favorite thing
about Hailey is that she and my favorite thing actually
about youth that sometimes we lose, is like that she
will say whatever is top of mind and that she
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knows I think deeply that she is so smart and cool.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, and that other people will catch up.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah. That's how well I met you the same way
you were in character pretty much. I was literally and
I was I was so intrigued because I said this,
there's a visual going on, there's a whole the stream
of conscience that's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And I was like I felt sick, but like also no,
I was like no, I was so intrigued.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I was like this and I was just so impressed.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, and we the part was cut that our little
moment is seen together. No, not a deal, And I
actually really get why they did it. But it was like,
because we were meeting Peter and Grace and stuff right
outside college, and at first we had there was a
part where Haley me talking to the audience, but we
had a part where Haley like, yeah, runs into you guys,
and I kind of like I did make a little moment.
(33:44):
I hammed it up in a way where we were
both kind of doing our physical events there like hit
and I was like, like tripped over like nine suits.
It's like she would trip over one. We didn't need
that as Hailey's introduction. I think also because Benny told
me that when he watched when they were in the edit,
because Haley is just a curring character for season one.
But then they were like, oh, her friendship with Carmen
means so much, we actually want to have an introduction
(34:06):
of them meeting. So that scene where like Carmen me
was a reshoot later in LA because it wasn't which
I feel really honored that they did that.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Interesting, what they see was characters developed, and they said, no,
actually this needs to happen here. Yeah, it's just smart editing, yea,
because you don't see it on the day you write something,
but then you see other stuff. Because that's what they say.
They said, there's three movies or three shows or whatever
it is. There's the one that you write script out,
there's the one that you performed, we performed, and then
there's the one you edit.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I didn't know this was a phrase, but I really
like it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
And I have thought this all the time because I mean,
doesn't it blow you away sometimes when you see the
edit off something like this one blew me away positively.
I was like, I don't know, have you ever been
a part of something not naming names, but where you
see the edit and you go, I didn't know that
was a show we made?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, almost always, almost always there's one in particular that
it stands out from the nineties and talking about, you know,
showing skin. Yes, I was like, Ah, that was not
the show that I thought we were making.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Didn't that it's a really crazy experience. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I didn't know that coming into this industry and so
it has. It was something that I think I prepared
myself more for this show with and I knew that
when they delivered the episodes to me, I was like,
I will watch this and make my own opinion alone
before anyone else starts to because that's something that happens too.
Is like sometimes when I start to hear other people's opinions,
I'll be like, what do I even think? So I
(35:27):
watched these with my sister, which feels alone because.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You grow up with someone and you reaction.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I was crying.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I was crying because I first I thought it was
really funny and also to me spoke to because when
that first they were like general college because I asked,
like what exact years this happening and when I auditioned,
and they were kind of like college, and like they
gave like this general type of vibe and it was like,
of course influenced by sort of the time period Benny
and I were in school. But then when I saw it,
I was like, oh, I actually know exactly what he
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was doing, and it gives me an extreme nostalgia of
like that time, but it is like it was just
heightened in a way that I found really emotional in
a really funny way, but then also in like how
hiding hurts all of us. And I just like it's
funny because I would talk to some coastal Gaze about
the like, and I think that sometimes coming out to
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some of them seems like something that we've already like
gotten over or something like it's like, oh, that's not
a big deal anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Where it's like you not all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This is just like some people you know where I know,
for I grew up mostly in Nebraska, and I knew
one lesbian and I remember like on a walk home
one time, being like, I hope I don't have to
do that because of how people are so mean, you know.
And it's like this thing of like I literally had
hooked up with multiple women before I would even admit
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that I was.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I went straight though, having fun last night, but right, and.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Everyone's like, I don't know girls, And so when I
think about it, I'm like, I just know that not
only did I enjoy the show and laugh and stuff,
but I also just know how important it is for
people growing up in college literally today to see that,
because it just is like it's like anything that you
do anything you do normally in like a hiding way,
(37:08):
it doesn't just hurt you, It normally does end up
hurting other people. That's why, like, even though my honesty
gets me in trouble, to me, it feels like the
only justice I have because.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
There's like so little justice.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's a great quality, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But so I yeah, I cried. I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
But and everyone's journeys is going to be different. We're
still here with homes, thank god. Okay, I designed this game.
Actually Nora inm I designed it, but I'm pretending like.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm actually see I like that you give them the credit.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is called would you rather with homes and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Play it at home? Be safe?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Okay, so a few years ago you sat on a
bench and you asked pastor of yes I did on
video and I quote your girl. Would you rather your
girl be hot and sick?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yea?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Or ugly and healthy?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
More pressing than ever honestly, Yeah, yeah, the question still
stand strong, still strong, you know, because there are some
guys who really passed by, and they you know, and
girls hot and sick devastating.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
To hear, right, right, hot and sick? Not me.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'd rather my girl ugly and healthy.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So we live long, tim live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So for our listeners at home that are not watching,
So we're sitting in chairs and we have question marks
over our heads.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, and they look like I would say, like high
fashion editorial.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yes, right, well put yeah, put?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Would you smile for the shoot? I think i'd keep
a serious face.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, because because the smiles here exactly, no one knows
what I just pointed to you. Anyway, Holmes has red
question mark. I have a yellow question mark. So we
were inspired to come up with a few of these
ourselves some world. Would you rathers Okay, here we go.
Would you rather sweat maple syrup or cry glitter that
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never goes away?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Cry glitter that never goes away?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yes? I agree, But.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You're like, because I I do.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Pick that one.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I picked that one, but I'm confused about it that
never goes away, because I'm just like, like, what if
I wipe it?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, like it won't it will stick.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, here's the other question I have is if you
cry glitter and never goes wait, is there is there
a build up?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
That's what I'm saying, glitter and then the build up
is like, Okay, she has like chunky glitter cha.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Then it's then who knows what that looks.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think I would still pick glitter because I think
that could actually end up being like fashion, Like it's like,
oh yeah, like she has a weird like chunky birthmark
and the big no that's like her glitter tear like yeah,
and then pretty soon let's like look around like we're
in Hollywood. They'd be like a plastic surgeon who's like,
you know, two hundred k all slice your glitter tears off.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
But sweating maple syrup? Then I mean, could that be
a thing where let's say you're out and and you're
and you're sweet, you know, and little animals come up
to you, but maybe the flies would be Probably.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think that if it wasn't sticky, I would actually
pick it because I love the smell of maple syrup
and I'm one of those people who like a lotion
that smells like a cookie.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like my mom is always like, you wan smell like
a cookie, and I'm like, uh, cook's cookies. Raw?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Would I would not be happy with sticky? You pick
litterch Okay, glitter tears? There you go, hands down? Okay,
next one. Would you rather spend one day at Yates
University where everyone speaks in reverse but you have to
respond normally, or spend one day in the future but
all your clothes are made of jello.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I'm going to say right off the bat, both of
those sound really fun. Like both of those I would
choose to do for the experience, as long as I
wasn't stuck there shout out Yates because I love over commentating.
But I would choose future in Jello just because I
am really the jello wouldn't bother me for a day
or two, could be kind of once again editorial.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I'd probably wear my question mark again, but it is
I'm very curious about what.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
The future holds as am I. So yeah, I mean
I'd be a little embarrassed because you know Theagello and
the potential the Jello, you know, heating up and.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You could do something modest with that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, like think about it for you, Like maybe they
didn't say it could be like you could have like
a three piece like jellow suit or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah. Yeah, but how thick would it jello be? How
did take to get to opake?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, I I literally it's like I started doing pilates
and like my boob shrunk two cups and I'm just like,
all I have to do is probably put like a jello.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Thing on and I'm back to normal. Can you believe
that all it took was me doing plates? I had
never moved my back. I had never moved my back.
I had no idea. Wow, I know.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Would you rather only be able to speak in riddles
or only communicate via kazoo?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
But what's hard about it is that I would, of
course pick riddles like I would obviously probably get better
out of practice, because I'm not actually very good at
a natural riddle the kazoo. I think I probably would
kill myself day one, and in blood I'd be like
it was because of the kazoo.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Azoo.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, just because that is just like a noise. I
don't want all day. Sorry for bringing up suicide.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I just want to annoy. Whoever we speak with is
going to it's going to annoy.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
If I was a guy and I did the riddle thing,
I'd be like the hottest guy on the scene.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Everyone be like, dude, that's Nathan, Like he just does riddles.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, you know, with me, they'd probably be like that
funky bitch won't stop doing like twisters, you know whatever,
Like maybe a little bit, But I think that the riddle,
you could work.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The riddle we're both on.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, I literally agree on the kazoo. You you know
you can intonate, you know you can kind of and
so and then someone's like, oh, oh, and maybe they'd
be more curious about what you're trying to say, and
they'd be interested and be like, oh it sounds like
sounds like you know you.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Are really correct that you get a lot more empathy
with the kazoo.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Would you rather every time you blink you teleport one
inch or every time you yawn your foot falls asleep?
I mean, there's there's really no win on this.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Right, blink teleport one inch? So I'm just like basically
on one of those airplane things where I'm like walking
fast all the time.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I maybe I think that that I would pick that
one because it just means like, am I teleporting to
a different.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Time you blink, you'd be one inch or maybe like
the fastest girl in town. You'd be like stop action person, right,
I think that that. Yeah, And then you start if
you bring like this, then then maybe if you blink enough.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I'm on Dancing with the Stars, they're like I can't
keep up.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
With her, right right, because you'd be like, wow, they
are so fast, look at them.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think that one.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I think that one too. Would you rather sleep in
the bed that size dramatically every time you move or
sit in a chair for an hour that's made of forks?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
This one's like, yeah, we're getting into like territory. That's interesting.
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say I'm fine with the bed.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Bed. I like the bed. I agree with you on
the bed. I think it's be kind of comforting. Actually, rolla.
I'm a mover when I sleep. I'm always moving.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Around someone who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
When we're working. Let's say so you have a half
hour lunch, right and you got my thing? Is I
get my lunch back to the trailer boom, Yeah, okay,
maybe a bite, stick it down or don't even eat
it and just lie down and I do the Dracula sleep.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
You sleep in the trailers for twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, I need a twenty minute nap.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's almost a meditation.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
It is starts like that, but I just go and
then five minutes, I'm like, okay, good my heart. And
then I get the food next, and then I take
it into the trailer of touch ups and I, you know,
I stall a little bit, and that's lunch.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
I like that you call it a nap because a
lot of people call what you just said meditation, and
and you like check on them and they're sleeping, and
you're like, you're sleeping.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, that's my problem with meditation. I fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
No, I like this. I do that too.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Okay, last one, last one. Would you rather have a
house cat that is also a licensed real estate agent
and insists on showing you apartments at three am? Or
own a goldfish that can perfectly imitate your voice but
only insults you. I mean, this one's pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
This one's pretty easy. I will say.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's crazy how some of the questions are like things
that I would like to experience, you know, and then
some are just like you know, you're sitting on like
a bunch of works.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I love the team. Love the team here. They're doing
really good work.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
This is the hardest one for me because they both
like the goldfish would.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Be such a fun party trick. But I think, actually
I would get.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Hurt by some if it was only hurting my feeling.
And I've never been like a roast comic. Like when
someone says something mean to me, I'm like, I'm sitting
with it, you know, like people at.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Caleb we talked about, or like Dreaff Walo, they're so
good at being like, well.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Give it right back to you, where like if a
goldfish is just like you're boring, I'd be like who
said that to you?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Know, so in your voice too, in.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
My voice that is mental case for me. Yeah, I'm
going to do the cat because she would. I actually
bought to tear up zinc is my cat.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
If she came out in like a little score and
was like we have a property, like I would, it
would be so fun.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You've just changed my mind completely with your description.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You don't want to get woken up.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I want the cat too. I was thinking, well, the
gold fish could be really fun because it could be
like a bit I.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Mean, just to see your cat walking on, Like to me,
the cat is like you've already well for sure, the
cat is like on its bottom legs and walking on
and it's like these are the original title, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Like, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Sometimes you have to put in the curtains. She's like,
I'm a charge here. I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Thank you everybody. That's all the time we have. Did
we answer the question what are we even doing? Maybe not,
but we had a good try.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
We did.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We had so much fun. I really really enjoyed speaking
with you, learning about you, hearing about what you're about.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'd just I could talk to you for hours and hours.
I have the best time ever. And thank you for
doing this.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I'm so glad, Thank you. What Are We Even Doing
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hosted by me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by
Full Picture productionists Heay, featuring music by Yata and artwork
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At first you were like rand the my eighties, gonna
have you hanging on to her like a pet? What
do you think Internet's giving more boy or girl? But
I really didn't have much of a filter growing up.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I love your hair.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's called on Bret, and I think you've always been goofy.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now why you say something like that?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Doing an improv every single night was it felt like
sweating for my brain. I actually the ex boyfriend, He's like,
you should improvise online? And I was like, you shouldn't
be going. Will you tell me if I'm boring you?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Ever?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You would never say I have not watched the batch.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
This is amazing, pan sextual president. I do not enjoy
a prank chunky litergy.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was on the card where I was like, God,
men are in a prison.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I had no idea about how much yellow does it
take to get to opik.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I don't know what are we even do?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Day?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm Kyle and we're here with what are we even doing?
This is where we sit down with artists, creative musicians,
actors and we talk about their creativity, their process out.
They use the internet. And today we have a very
very very special guest, brilliant comedian, writer actor known for
the roles and hacks. I watched that scene over compensating.
(01:05):
Welcome to Flatch. I want to talk about Jenny Bicks
Welcome homes. So nice that you're here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you so much for having me. I feel very lucky.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And I really only actually only had a little coffee today,
So just know, like I'm not that nervous. It's mostly
just coffee, but I do. I am like a little
bit nervous in your presence still, really.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh, I don't. Yeah, I want you to feel totally
totally comfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's nothing you've done. I'm I'm like he was scary
on seving. No, he wasn't. It's not at all.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's more that like I grew up with specifically actually
Desperate Housewives, and so I think it's like the channels
like an energy of me being a child or something, yes,
being with you, Like I'm sort of like, you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Know, oh, but sure I love Desperate Housewives. That was
really a fun job.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I wish I didn't watch it as a kid, though,
Like you know how like your parents would put anything
on just like what was on the TV.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But I remember that scene where they went to the
basement and that one guy was a pedophile, and I
was like, I didn't need to know.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
About that, Please don't share that with you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it was like new topic unlocked, you know, like
I wasn't sure. But other than that, that was okay.
Love the show means the world loved Orson.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, it was good. Orson was a lot of fun,
just fun to work with. And Marsha Cross, who was
a great friend. She just was so just wonderful to
work with. She's she's trained like we trained for the theater.
You know, we had this when we shared this kind
of passion. When we actually had scenes together that were
really humming along, it was really fun because she's really
talented and we would just be back and forth. I
(02:24):
remember loving those days.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So did you improvise on a show like that?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I know you're not really encouraged. Yeah, yeah, some it's
it's interesting some shows overcompensating for example, right, and your
improv work. And that's where I think I really sort
of I said, who is this person?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I said, yeah, at first you were like random, No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, I didn't know. I didn't know because you were
creating something you were creating an individual person that was
very different, very special. And I don't know if Benny
had said, oh, this is kind of who she is,
or if you came to her and said, I'm going
to do this with a character. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I think that it was different than they expected. For sure.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I think like definitely her personality was on the page
as far as like I really understood that. I when
I got that monologue for the script where she's sitting
next to Carmen and explaining candid campus couture, that was
my audition. But yeah, I originally auditioned for Carmen and
then they sent which is more the kind of tape
I would get normally, because like, while he's like the
most beautiful person in the whole world, like the description
of the person was kind of like goofy, awkward, you
(03:23):
know where. So then they were like, hey, we loved
her Carmen tape.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Let's see her do Haley. And when I saw it,
I was like, I.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Never get to audition for things like this because it
was sort of like party Girl, because you know, this
industry is like it's very it's a very look based
industry and it's a big reason. Growing up in mostly Nebraska, Florida,
my dad worked for the railroad, Like, why I'm not
in this wedding. Grew up in this industry, right, it
was very obvious to me that like I wouldn't be
allowed in I think, And so I just was like,
(03:49):
I'll do improv. And so I moved to Chicago after
college and was just like I can be anyone and like,
I'll just work random jobs all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And then when I create yourself basically yes, I mean
that's the beauty of improv. And I think without long
form and profit, look, I'm like, just so you guys know,
like my idide is gonna have you kind of hanging
on to her like.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
A pet, that's why she's there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
But I think long form improv really sets you up
to be able to play like any age and really
believe it or any any type of person.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Talk to me about that long form improv because my
first experience with real, first experience with improv was on
Portlandia working with Fred and carry Yes and total geniuses
and total geniuses, and I was I came into it
maybe the way you thought. I was like, I I'm
scared to death. I really, this is not what I do.
You know, I gotta have a scrap up. And then
they were like no, no, no, no, they said it, and
I just they were so encouraging and just so helpful,
(04:38):
and I started to just come in play.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I believe that you would play because I remember I
was only on set with you for like a day,
but when you were kind of like getting hit by
the football and you kind of were like, you know,
you were giving it, you were you were giving it
your some play, which meant the world.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I get very scientific with it because I'm like, Okay,
this has to happen. Then this has to happen. And
then I try to like then just forget everything and
let it go, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
But see, that's like it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I love hearing other people's processes because I actually I
would really love an experience to be on a show
that is more of like a drama or drama TA
or something that is very like on the script, because
I haven't had that before, and I actually feel a
lot safer in an improv space. Like basically, so I
got welcome to flatch that job. It was like, okay,
they picked me because of my improv skills, because it
(05:23):
was basically just like from a video on the internet.
I still auditioned with all the scenes, but part of
the audition process was improvising, Like they would ask me
questions in character, right, and you'd improvise. And so then
when that show ended and I had to go into
the audition world, and I didn't have the skill of
it at all, so like I was trying to do
like the scenes like perfectly and stuff. And then I
(05:45):
had a friend aid in my area who's an amazing
actress too, and she was like, you can like play
in your audition, like you can do your audition how
you would, like use your strength, like you don't have
to audition like everyone, cause you know, like you look
at how other people do it and you're like, I'll
do it like that, you know. Like I was living
with another amazing act her at the time, and I
was like, oh, I'll do auditions just like her. And
then I really was like, oh, you know what, Like
(06:05):
I think the only way I'm going to get these
parts and stand out at all is if I probably
improvise in my auditions a little bit. And so for overcompensating,
like you did that, yes, And then like the callback
like anytime I did the monologue, I would add different stuff,
and I feel very free in the play zone, where
I think that I would like an experience of being
(06:25):
in like a really serious play or something like that,
just to be like, no, you actually have to make
this new every time, even when it's like the same line.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
It's another challenge.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It's another challenge, and I want to do it some day.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, but I think I think the ability to improv
like that, not only as yourself but as a character,
I mean that's another level altogether.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, we were just talking about this before we started.
We didn't talk long. Don't even stress it, guys, but
Kyle is saying like I feel more comfortable being in
a character than myself, which is like probably a weird thing, but.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
It's like I feel the same.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yes, I love that you say that, because I'm curious
about your reason. My reasoning is that I first off,
it's like I feel like I can't mess up because
we'll like she did that, And so I think with
Hailey specifically, it was like really permission to be like
when I would kind of play at home with her lines,
I would just like have so much fun and make
myself laugh because I was like, she can say really
(07:21):
anything because also she doesn't know any of the stuff
I know yet, like normally an improv, you're like play
to the height of your intelligence, right, And I was like, well,
she's not as smart as me, you know. She like, yes,
I was like, I'm thirty two. I was like, so
I really let myself like kind of go to a
place of like someone who cares really big and has
you have all these feelings before your frontal lobe forms,
(07:41):
you know, you're like just feeling all the time.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, And like I was like that, I mean, like that's.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So intuitive, that's really smart, because it really did. It
felt like you were just leading with emotion. Yes, I
mean no filter, no filter, you know, which I love too.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I relate to that. Even though we're very Haley and
I are very different.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, I own apology to tons of people, and
I've given a lot out, you know, but I really
didn't have much of a filter growing up.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I would say, But I'm curious about.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You, though, do you why do you feel more comfortable
being in character?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Do you think I think it's it's a similar thing
I think I feel if I step, if I'm in
somebody's shoes. Then there's a freedom there. There's a looseness
there that settles in because I feel I feel very
like structured, you know, when I'm just myself trying to talk.
I've gotten better as I've gotten older, and I think
you just sort of care less, I think somehow, And
to be honest, this journey that I'm on with the
(08:31):
podcast and everything and experiencing and working with really young creatives,
I'm like, there's a lot of relaxation. There's a lot
of freedom, there's a lot of authenticity. There's a lot
of let it all hang out. You are who you
are and this is how it works. And I'm like,
that is different than when I was coming up.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, so I think about this all the time because
I have like immense envy that you got to like,
I mean, being a woman is horrible at a bunch
of stages in life. I no special time, right, but
I feel like you got to act and be in
movies before smartphones. And I do not hate the Internet.
I have love for her and hate for her. You know,
I have all the feelings for her. You know, there's
(09:08):
the nuance there is she or her. I haven't decided
but do you think internet's getting more boy or girl?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It sort of depends on where. Yeah, I think so,
I think it's I think it's both.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
But like I was talking to a friend the other
day who's a musician, Kevin Morby. I was out with
Caleb Heron and him to dinner, and I asked how
music has changed, how he thinks music has changed since smartphones,
like how if he hears it, and he was like,
I don't think he'd be mad at me for saying
this because it was just interesting. But he said, it
feels more like spot On always, like it's like there's
(09:41):
like less like it's like you're losing this is me
making my own words now like you're using losing some uniqueness.
And so it's interesting because I do think podcasts you
get someone's full personality.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But because we're absorbing so.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Much content on a day to day basis, I do
find that like people are trying to be more similar
to each other almost than ever before in a way,
or if they're trying to be different, it's like really
like this purposeful different versus like some of the projects
you know you've been a part of, you know, like
where it was just like such original voices because there
(10:14):
wasn't that it constant influence.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, that I mean that. I pointed directly to David
Lynch for that. David was one of a kind, you know,
and there was no way that anyone could try to
replicate or capture. In fact, it was a difficult when
we were working on Twin Peaks, you know, David, David
and Mark Frost created they wrote this together. David directed
the pilot of Twin Peaks, which still I'm so proud
of today.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
So good.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'll be completely honest, I hadn't seen it before I
was doing this, and then I went and started.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Same right, they're both just now coming.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I just honestly wasn't allowed to really watch much TV
growing up, so it's like all catching up an adulthood.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But I'm loving it, and that's all.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It made me think of that, and that's kind of
why I was asking Kevin even because I was just like,
I feel like we're losing.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Ugly original, interesting, like like ugly good, yeah, like do
you know or something like it's like everything is so tall.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But then I'm sort of I'm kind of I'm kind
of optimistic because I feel and this is just my
own personal journey. But I feel like I am much
less sort of self aware than I was when I
was younger and in the business. You know, presentation, how
you're seeing, you know, what you wear, would you look like?
You know what you say, how you're photographed. All this
stuff is like very very like, Okay, we've got to
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plan this all out, make sure that you're gonna you're
gonna fit what we're trying to make you into, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Because there was less control, and it be like this
one thing everyone would.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
See, yeah, and you were trying to you were the
same thing. I was trying to follow along with people
that were already kind of where I wanted to be, right,
So so got to get all two yes. So I
was like, okay, that's let's go there. But what I
found along the way is like, you know what I'm
I'm much more comfortable just hanging out and being myself,
which is kind of goofy, kind of fun, not really
(11:54):
caring too much a little bit, but not caring too much.
Like I said, I know my hair is but six
different shades of color on his way called it's called
an That's so nice to know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
All right, we kind of actually are both working in
aubrey right now. In my hair, I don't know if
you guys can tell, still drying from my shower.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I've never own a blow dryer.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't I can't imagine spending the time to dry
my hair.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Dying naturally, very nicely.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, it's the world, Kyle, Okay, Yes, I really
like to hear this, and I think I needed to
hear that because I yeah, maybe it is because when
smartphones were introduced in my life, it was like such
a younger age that I didn't I was never in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Without that, you know, And so that's actually helpful to hear.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But what you say is true as well. I think
there's an influence. And my son is seventeen, and I
can see that. I can see the influence he's he
kind of walks to his own though, which.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Is what lesson did you teach him about how to
be a good guy?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He is?
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He came out that way, she's in a way, he
really did. He's always been very He.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Came out and he was like, I will treat women incredibly.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But he and he also came through the period of
time the age he started in New York. He went
to Friends Seminary. There's very forward thinking school, and that
was just part of the culture of that school and
also of the generation somehow, And and he taught me.
I was like, okay, okay, I got to pay attention
to these things are important, you know, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Really he wasn't to cry ever or anything.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, not, no, not really. And he's very loving, He's
very affectionate. All he I will, I'll take a little bit,
take a little bit. But I was not that way
growing up. I think I was inside that way. I
was kind of a sensitive kid. But I said, no, not,
you know, that's not how it works. And even even
in my early work.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
You're punished doing it in society, like even if you
had good parents, it really doesn't matter where you're like
who your surroundings are on your day to day because
it just takes like one, I'm very sensitive, sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
And that my acting.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
For sure, but like my team and stuff has like
tried to get me to a podcast like a lot
of times in my past, and who knows, maybe someday
I will. But to me, like like when I leave
here today, this will be me in my car. Why
the fuck did you say something like that, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
What I mean, Like I immediately I'm hard on myself,
but it's like I also think it's like this thing
with the Internet that you have to stand by what
you said all the time, where it's like I kind
of change my opinion all the time, Like I'll.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Be like you not on big stuff like you know,
I mean, like.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
But it's written yeah, you feel like it's written in
stone kind.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Of like casual little things.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I think that's why I like characters, because they are
all thinking different. Like of course, I like know my
values that I stand on, but as far as like yeah,
little opinions like it can just change. But I think
there is a beauty to making maybe things less precious
in that way. And like like I miss I found
like when I came up in the improv scene, what
healed me about doing an improv every single night was
it felt like sweating for my brain, Like it felt
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like my brain was sweating. I could do anything. We
were in a live place, I was. I was so
lucky to be in an era of time in Chicago
where like our shows would be full, Like of course
I did shows for like two people and stuff too,
but we would do like sold out improv shows, and
it felt like a Okay, I can say anything. I
can whatever happened in my day to day, I can
let that out energy guise in a character. It doesn't
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no one's watching it at home later and then yes, I.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Move on, yeah, and so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
That I need to.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And then since I've got I've found that I've like lot,
I found I've been like more scared of my goofy sometimes,
like I have like shed layers of my goofy, but
when I get in a character, I can do it again.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, like me, it's like, look, I'm so.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Serious, right, do you think you've gotten goofy or with
age or like, yeah, you do know what, I think
I've always been goofy, and I think you've always been
goofy and I always will be goofy.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
But I think it's you know, you can do phases,
goofy phases depending on what's happening in your life in
the world. But I just feel like it's just you know,
it's why not have a laugh. That's just the most
important thing.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's literally so important. And I find myself like under
the current administration and just like with what's going on
in our country, like and there's like really valid fears,
like we have white supremacists in charge.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
But I'm like, laughing is so important in this.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Time and I have to get better at I'm like
actively working on it right now, being like how do
I'm still make people laughtering this? Because I know, like
something like all the comedians who inspire me are people.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Who talk about the current times while.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Also making me laugh so hard, like we get to
laugh at the evil with like like minded people and
it's like this like really healing thing.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah. No, I looked like Colbert for me. I watched
even just because he's just love him so smart and
and it's that kind of you. He's kind of that
serious but funny, which is the type of humor I
really love.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
No, like John Shure, it's great too, but he's like,
I'm want to play it. He's crazy, Yes, Stephen Colbert
is like he's got this whole rap going and then
then he just gives you a little smile, a little wink,
and you're like, oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I just like there's a confidence there that you like
know he's gonna save it.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Caleb Heron, who is a close friend. Like whenever I'm on.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stage with him, it feels like this really safe space
where I just know that, like no matter where we
go conversation wise or anything, that it's like.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
You've explained that so well. We didn't you together at
Caleb and he came on the show. Yeah, And i'd
met him before we did like a little thing together.
I didn't know him, you know, I hadn't met him ever,
but I watched him work and we had shared a
little scene together, and I watched him. I said, this
guy knows what he's doing. This guy is smart, this
guy is he's cutting and editing in his head for
just a little tiny moment and I just thought. I
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watched his face and I watched him repeat and know
what he needed to do at a certain point in time,
and I just took it all and I was like, Okay,
and you're absolutely right. He's incredibly confident, so well spoken,
so smart. And I was like, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So smart.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, it's a big I think that some people
who make comedy look so easy, like people will be like, well,
like some guys love to come to comedians and like
you know and be like, you know, I could be
a comedian.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's like because it's an easier thing to say versus
like if you saw like a dancer or something, you know,
because I think you watch it and you're like, I'm
making my friends laugh all the freaking time, you know, like,
and then it's.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like you actually, and I think Caleb, when I watch him, it's.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Like it feels so effortless, yes, And I'm just like,
it's not like he works in being his close friend.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I'm like, he works so hard.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, but that's the thing about comedy, good comedy. It
looks effortless, but it's incredibly challenging. Yes, everything is. It
hangs on just you know, a moment to timing, you know,
a link, a look glance.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
It is why improv is like such an incredible skill
to have. But I will say, like I used to
rely on it so much when I was in Chicago.
I would like do stand up occasionally there, but I
would mostly do improv, right, And I would like really
rely on my improv skills in stand up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
So I would be like go to a mic or.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Something and I'd be like, this is the topic and
we're just going to play, you know, and I would
like get laughs and I'd be like, did it do?
I was also like drinking, and you know when you're
like drinking and you like listen to the recording later
and you're like not as funny as I.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Was, Like, God, I killed, but I did. I did,
honestly do well often.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But then I moved to la for two years and
did a couple of shows and there would be all
industry in the audience and I would I came like
with that same type of energy for the first couple
where it was just like we have a couple of concepts,
like and I'd be really good, feel like one of them.
I had like a note in my belly button, like
I was being so weird, right and then like I
was like everyone was looking at me like really like
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just like and then I.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Had to talk to myself. I was like, hey, so
you have to have like jokes.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Written out and like they have to be really polished,
and then you get to use your improv skill to
play off of those. It's what's so funny about reviews.
And I think it's so funny when people give a
lot of weights reviews because I'm like this is like
one dude's opinion of like art, like it's so great,
it's so like my favorite art will never be that
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for everyone, right ever, so I think sometimes you have
to find yourselves, Like who are my favorite artists?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I can name a hundred people who hate them, but
you know what I mean, Like that's.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Still like, yeah, I mean, I go back. I'm thinking
about David Lynch and I'm saying, you know, he certainly
was not for everybody, you know what I mean, But
what he created, I think, just personally, what he created
is universal and I think very deep and very very special,
of course, very specific to him, and it'll live on forever.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It will live on forever, and it's very special. And
voices that try to seem like everyone else's they don't
live on forever.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
They blend in not in a mean way, and I
totally get it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I'm just like, I just hope people can remember that
when like they're scared to try something.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Well, new voices. You were talking about earlier and how
the Internet may be sort of squelching new voices or
it's just not encouraging. I think you can individual individuality,
individual voices.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Right when I came.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Up on Twitter, so basically like yeah, I was just
improvising in Chicago, and then my team was like my team.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Mightn't have a team. My team wasn't worked at a gym.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I worked at a gym, and my boss would go
and I'd be like, look did it do like do
like a silly video? Right? I actually the ex boyfriend
whos like you should improvise online and I was like,
you shouldn't be calling, you know, but getting we're friends.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I just went to his wedding.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I know, his grandma was like being really really so
friendly to me, where I was like, let's pay attention
to the bride, but we are close friends. He was
such a comedy fan and it was really helpful in
college because I actually like was kind of more in
the music scene. I would say than even comedy, just
because I loved comedy, but the comedy could see and
it can be a boys club. It's changed a lot,
but it was like in college, I would say definitely
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giving that.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Anyways, he was like yeah, when I was in Chicago,
he was like, you should have record some of this
and put on the internet because he watched people doing that.
So I was like, I'll do that when I'm working
at the gym and my boss is gone, right, so
I started.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Doing that or multitaskers.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
You are, oh, big time, big time. I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I literally thought I couldn't learn how to play guitar
for the longest time. But it's because the beginning part
of learning is like, oh, so pouring and you're just
like here alone and I'm like canon. And then someone
was like, you know, you could like watch TV while
you play, and I was like, but then you're like
cheating or something, and they're like no, And so then
I like learned how to play because I would just
like practice the boring stuff while I would like watch,
(21:42):
honestly in the pandemic, like all of Sex in the
City I had never seen. I watched all of Sex
in the City while I was learning to do basic chords,
and then I was like doing two.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Things at once.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's the best way.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Really, I would say one that gets a four.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Right. All this is say I was a record these
and what I found was I didn't care at all
what people's opinion was because I didn't have a goal
with it. Then when I start getting attention on the internet,
I found that you start to notice what does better
than other things, you know, and that starts to of
course influence how you make art and what you what
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you're because you're like, well, this is what they're liking more,
and it's like, well, who are they? Because you might
I think something I've been talking to myself about, like
if I ever do start a podcast, or like I'm
about to move to New York and I'm going to
start a monthly show, and I want to be like,
I want to really take time and remember who is
the audience I want to speak to. Yeah, because sometimes
you can find an audience that isn't even who your
(22:39):
goal audience is, but they'll love something so much that
I've watched, like amazing voices in our generation kind of
like cater to an audience and honestly become kind of
like scary people sometimes because they're like, that's the audience
that likes me.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, that's so interesting, because I immediately thought how tempting
it is to watch and look and say, ah, this
is getting you know, these many hits, these likes, this
is not hit.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I talk about multiple things I want, it's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
One hundred percent. But then I think to myself, wait, wait, wait, wait,
you can't go there right because whatever is happening in
here is the most important thing. So it's what's coming
out of you. This is what I need to say,
and that's that's where, and that's the heart. It's the
hardest thing is to go back to that. And I
again I look to David David Lynch and I say,
he was always here, first the idea and then create
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whatever he created, didn't matter who's going to like it,
who's not going to like it. I need to do
this thing, do that thing, and I I try to
remember that because it's.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
For someone, the fact that I really genuinely believe the artist.
When you feel something inside you that is supposed to
come out, it is for someone. And if you start
to cater to someone that your thing isn't.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
For it's not gonna you're killing it. You're like feeling,
you're going to be like numb little boy.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But that makes me so I'm I'm very inspired by him,
even from starting twin by watching Blue Velvet, I'm just like,
I'm very inspired. And I love hearing you say this
stuff too, because I really, yeah, it makes me really excited.
And I think that the Internet is a tool and
if we remember what we just talked about, it can
be used beautifully.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah yeah, just with caution. I think with caution, Yeah,
use with caution.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You sleep with their phone in your room, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
But I'm I'm kind of like, I'm like, I'll I'll
just turn it. I don't have a I don't really
have a problem putting it away.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You're not addicted.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I'm not addicted. I mean, but when you are, but
it is a time suck, you know what I mean.
And when you sit and you start going because then
some stuff is interesting, You're like, oh, I, oh, you
know what is Neil de grass Tyson the same I'm
reading about Saturn, Like this is kind of cool, and
you know, and then it goes to something else, you know,
even then you go something goofy, and then you go back.
But so I get caught up in like, oh, that's
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sort of you know, it's a time.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I'll set a time or for I'm a time or
person so important. Like that's why I can have roommates too.
I like say it's for me, it's like it's for them.
When I live with people, the big one other timers
going off, I'm like time to eat you know, like
I have timers going off all the time, and I
do them when I write, I'll set thirty minute timers,
so it's like you don't look at your phone for
thirty minutes, and when I tell you that thirty minutes
will be like, I'll be like that was nine hours.
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Where then like I'll be on my phone for a
second and like like a whole hour went by, and
I like, you know, learned.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That like trees communicate through their roots. Yes, I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I know it's interesting somebody, But I also like, see,
you know, there's a I also see like people being like,
what if you were skinny just enough that you die?
And it's like, well, I don't want to die. I
from not eating, you know. I'm like, let's get back
to the trees. You know, will you tell me if
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I'm boring you? Ever, you would never say.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
You're not boring?
Speaker 1 (25:42):
What if that would literally go so viral over if
you literally were like this and you were like, you're
boring me viral a million likes.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
People would literally lose their minds.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, I'm sorry it's not true.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Fine, but first catch, maybe we could do it. Okay,
here's what I'll say the pant sexual Bachelor. Basically what
happened is came up in Chicago scene, then got welcome
to Flash and then I'll like, I guess I'm an
actor now what the heck? So then I was like, okay,
I moved to Los Angeles, right city at Dreams and so,
and it was right after COVID, So I was like,
am I on vacation? And then I was like no,
like you don't have a job. And so I have
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always been a big fan of Bachelor Nation.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Not anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
They changed the whole thing. But it used to be
the best comedy on TV. I mean these inadvertent comedy
it was. Yeah, I mean the producers knew what they
were doing. They really did. And also by the end,
I would always like end up like loving a girl
who in real life I would have judged, you know,
like in real life there's a type of girl that
was like, you know, means to me growing up, maybe
because I was like chubby or whatever. Who Like then
(26:35):
I see an adulthood and I'm just like, oh stupid. Yeah,
And like by the end of the like Final Three
and Bachelor, I'd be like I love Alyssa and like
she means the best, you know. So I always love
The Bachelor, and I also I'm obsessed with romance.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I just think it's like the most interesting thing we do.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So would always watch The Bachelor, and so then I
was like, what if I am the Bachelor and the
fan sexual is just like I would say the nerd
TV word they would have used instead of saying like
queer or something.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
So that's why I did it.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
For the thing, I would never call myself pan sexual,
allowed no offense to anyone who does. It just kind
of sounds like I would just say queer fits me more.
I guess for me, it's a little kind of more
the ugly thing. You know, pan sexual is like, oh
I am pun sexual. I feel like if we ever
had a queer president, it would be a pan sexual president.
Please God, can you imagine with the country be in
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such a great, beautiful place, I would start doing ply
their legiance again. But what I'll say is this, I
was like, I need to make pe'll come to the
improv show. So I was like, I'll be the Bachelor.
I'll cast all my funny friends and they all get
to pick a character that they get to play for
the whole time, but I will be myself and then
we'll do it like the actual Bachelor, but we'll have
like six episodes, but it will be a live show.
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And I structured it with a friend and a wife's
amazing producer.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We structured it so.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like we knew, like we knew that there would be
like a group date, a one on one date, and
there was always a confessional on stage, which was very fun.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
We knew how it would structured, but within all the.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Scenes it was fully improvised, so it like allowed for this,
like it was so fun.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Have you ever watched The Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You can be honest, I have not watched The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
This is amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I've seen like moment you know, like you see that that.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Makes a kind of sense that you have watched it.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I don't watch the Housewives, and I'm always left out
of a friend group talks about it.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They're all talking about the Housewives.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I only like reality shows that are like competitions two
in love, which is like really a dark thing we do.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
But I'm hooked.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, not with a new Bachelor, but what they do
on Bachelor sometimes is you'll have you have a.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
One on one date.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay, so you're on a date with someone and they
like bring you to this like weird castle or something,
and you're.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like where where are you? Right?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And then they'll bring out like a talent, so like
you're talking to this person you don't know, and then.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Like they'll be like like Rocky in the Moon Star, like.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A band you've never heard of, right, or like something
or the like genuinely will always be like Blade of
Grass and then like one guy comes out and he's
like and it's like he's like singing for them and
they're like just getting to know each other and like dancing.
It's like really uncomfortable, right, It's like it's like amazing commed.
Watch this, watch some old seasons. So we would do
that like on the date where I would have another
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comedian come out, Like I had my friend Laura Peake
do a stand up set for me and one of
the people on a date, so we had to like
kind of relate through the stand up set, like so
like I really.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Just let it be.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It was really Yeah, it's very like, well, do you
ever watch Nathan Fielder stuff?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I have?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Know, Yeah, my show was not what Nathan Fielder does.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I will say that I think The Bachelor actually did
do a lot of stuff that Nathan Fielder did, but
they weren't they didn't have the same mission. But to me,
I laughed the same at both of those shows. Well
that's what's because all the reality shows now are very
much like super edited in.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Like hot contracts. Yeah, yeah, where it used to.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Be like, you know, two people who like are pretty socially.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Awkward, like you notice on a date like I don't know,
growing up was tough, you know, and it's like there's
like a camera right there and you can tell they
like feel it like it used to be really awkward.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And I like that we've been chatting here, but we
want to just have a couple of little conversation about
over compensating, which we're both in and what we both
worked in it, and you you can tell me about
your experience playing and I love this, Haley Marie Matthews
aka hmm. And then I was thinking not interrupt, but
then I was thinking, you know, I'm Kyle Merritt maclachlin,
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so I'm I was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like, it doesn't have the same ring too, but meant
the world, I literally.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Like that's the honesty coming out right now, because I'm like,
what do you mean? It doesn't have the same ring. God,
it sort of sounds good to me.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I was just telling Kyle that I honestly is my
greatest weakness and strength. With Haley, I found that my
getting into her was easier than any character before because
the outfits and the makeup and stuff was so extreme.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like I felt like I was in I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
That wasn't your Yeah, I'm like you pieces.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
From Home and of my favorite pieces from Home did
naked in?
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I know Ward of Saxony. Can you bring can you
actually bring your Leopard tops? I don't have any.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
But so I think that they really helped a lot
because it was stuff that I like, I like, don't
show very much skin of my day to day. I've
gotten better at as I get older, I'm better at
It's a weird way to say. I'm just like, yeah,
we dress them. Yeah, I'm like four years old and
I'm only like huge gowns.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I just feel like it helped a lot because I
really felt like a different personally. And I also didn't
know these people before this show, so, like Benny and
I had met at two different surprised because we met
at two different shows that like we but had never
hung out. We like thought each other were funny, but.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
That was it. And then like Marybeth and I knew
who each other were from the internet.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I've always really looked up to her. I think she's
one of our best stand upsazing she's so she is
so funny. It is actually crazy because it's like one
of those girls who like You're like, oh, she's gonna
like be scary or like serious. Like it's almost like
the Bachelor effect with Mary Beth, where I'd be.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Like, hmmm, you know, and that's see scary. They can
work both ways.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh then when she opens her mouth she blows me away.
I'm like everything she says is a joke. Like I'm like,
talk about like Caleb and her both I think have
that stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
But so I knew that dead pantad still.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yes, and Wally it didn't know.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
And I fell in love with Wally like one of
my really really close friends. Yeah, and so all that
to be said, though, it was kind of like they
were meeting me as this like Haley Holmes hybrid, because
right away I got to set and I was right
away in her costume costumes, in dyeing.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
My hair, and like was very in that.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And so even in my time off of Haley, I
did feel like, I mean, it's just such an extreme character,
so she kind of is in you a little bit.
Like I would notice things like that I would normally
never get upset about or something, and I.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Would just be like a little bit like that's that's fucking.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Annoying or whatever, and then I'd be like, you're actually
homes right now and you're acting like you're twelve, you know.
But it's because Haley was like really in me during
those months, but she was also in me in a
positive way because I felt like, what my favorite thing
about Hailey is that she and my favorite thing actually
about youth that sometimes we lose, is like that she
will say whatever is top of mind and that she
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knows I think deeply that she is so smart and cool.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, and that other people will catch up.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah. That's how well I met you the same way
you were in character pretty much. I was literally and
I was I was so intrigued because I said this,
there's a visual going on, there's a whole the stream
of conscience that's going on.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
And I was like I felt sick, but like also no,
I was like no, I was so intrigued.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I was like this and I was just so impressed.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, and we the part was cut that our little
moment is seen together. No, not a deal, And I
actually really get why they did it. But it was like,
because we were meeting Peter and Grace and stuff right
outside college, and at first we had there was a
part where Haley me talking to the audience, but we
had a part where Haley like, yeah, runs into you guys,
and I kind of like I did make a little moment.
(33:44):
I hammed it up in a way where we were
both kind of doing our physical events there like hit
and I was like, like tripped over like nine suits.
It's like she would trip over one. We didn't need
that as Hailey's introduction. I think also because Benny told
me that when he watched when they were in the edit,
because Haley is just a curring character for season one.
But then they were like, oh, her friendship with Carmen
means so much, we actually want to have an introduction
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of them meeting. So that scene where like Carmen me
was a reshoot later in LA because it wasn't which
I feel really honored that they did that.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Interesting, what they see was characters developed, and they said, no,
actually this needs to happen here. Yeah, it's just smart editing, yea,
because you don't see it on the day you write something,
but then you see other stuff. Because that's what they say.
They said, there's three movies or three shows or whatever
it is. There's the one that you write script out,
there's the one that you performed, we performed, and then
there's the one you edit.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I didn't know this was a phrase, but I really
like it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
And I have thought this all the time because I mean,
doesn't it blow you away sometimes when you see the
edit off something like this one blew me away positively.
I was like, I don't know, have you ever been
a part of something not naming names, but where you
see the edit and you go, I didn't know that
was a show we made?
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, almost always, almost always there's one in particular that
it stands out from the nineties and talking about, you know,
showing skin. Yes, I was like, Ah, that was not
the show that I thought we were making.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Didn't that it's a really crazy experience. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I didn't know that coming into this industry and so
it has. It was something that I think I prepared
myself more for this show with and I knew that
when they delivered the episodes to me, I was like,
I will watch this and make my own opinion alone
before anyone else starts to because that's something that happens too.
Is like sometimes when I start to hear other people's opinions,
I'll be like, what do I even think? So I
(35:27):
watched these with my sister, which feels alone because.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
You grow up with someone and you reaction.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I was crying.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I was crying because I first I thought it was
really funny and also to me spoke to because when
that first they were like general college because I asked,
like what exact years this happening and when I auditioned,
and they were kind of like college, and like they
gave like this general type of vibe and it was like,
of course influenced by sort of the time period Benny
and I were in school. But then when I saw it,
I was like, oh, I actually know exactly what he
(35:55):
was doing, and it gives me an extreme nostalgia of
like that time, but it is like it was just
heightened in a way that I found really emotional in
a really funny way, but then also in like how
hiding hurts all of us. And I just like it's
funny because I would talk to some coastal Gaze about
the like, and I think that sometimes coming out to
(36:16):
some of them seems like something that we've already like
gotten over or something like it's like, oh, that's not
a big deal anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Where it's like you not all of them.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
This is just like some people you know where I know,
for I grew up mostly in Nebraska, and I knew
one lesbian and I remember like on a walk home
one time, being like, I hope I don't have to
do that because of how people are so mean, you know.
And it's like this thing of like I literally had
hooked up with multiple women before I would even admit
(36:43):
that I was.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I went straight though, having fun last night, but right, and.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Everyone's like, I don't know girls, And so when I
think about it, I'm like, I just know that not
only did I enjoy the show and laugh and stuff,
but I also just know how important it is for
people growing up in college literally today to see that,
because it just is like it's like anything that you
do anything you do normally in like a hiding way,
(37:08):
it doesn't just hurt you, It normally does end up
hurting other people. That's why, like, even though my honesty
gets me in trouble, to me, it feels like the
only justice I have because.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
There's like so little justice.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's a great quality, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
But so I yeah, I cried. I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
But and everyone's journeys is going to be different. We're
still here with homes, thank god. Okay, I designed this game.
Actually Nora inm I designed it, but I'm pretending like.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I'm actually see I like that you give them the credit.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
This is called would you rather with homes and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Play it at home? Be safe?
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Okay, so a few years ago you sat on a
bench and you asked pastor of yes I did on
video and I quote your girl. Would you rather your
girl be hot and sick?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yea?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Or ugly and healthy?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
More pressing than ever honestly, Yeah, yeah, the question still
stand strong, still strong, you know, because there are some
guys who really passed by, and they you know, and
girls hot and sick devastating.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
To hear, right, right, hot and sick? Not me.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I'd rather my girl ugly and healthy.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So we live long, tim live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So for our listeners at home that are not watching,
So we're sitting in chairs and we have question marks
over our heads.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, and they look like I would say, like high
fashion editorial.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yes, right, well put yeah, put?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Would you smile for the shoot? I think i'd keep
a serious face.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah, because because the smiles here exactly, no one knows
what I just pointed to you. Anyway, Holmes has red
question mark. I have a yellow question mark. So we
were inspired to come up with a few of these
ourselves some world. Would you rathers Okay, here we go.
Would you rather sweat maple syrup or cry glitter that
(38:56):
never goes away?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Cry glitter that never goes away?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yes? I agree, But.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
You're like, because I I do.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Pick that one.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I picked that one, but I'm confused about it that
never goes away, because I'm just like, like, what if
I wipe it?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, like it won't it will stick.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, here's the other question I have is if you
cry glitter and never goes wait, is there is there
a build up?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
That's what I'm saying, glitter and then the build up
is like, Okay, she has like chunky glitter cha.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Then it's then who knows what that looks.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I think I would still pick glitter because I think
that could actually end up being like fashion, Like it's like,
oh yeah, like she has a weird like chunky birthmark
and the big no that's like her glitter tear like yeah,
and then pretty soon let's like look around like we're
in Hollywood. They'd be like a plastic surgeon who's like,
you know, two hundred k all slice your glitter tears off.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
But sweating maple syrup? Then I mean, could that be
a thing where let's say you're out and and you're
and you're sweet, you know, and little animals come up
to you, but maybe the flies would be Probably.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
I think that if it wasn't sticky, I would actually
pick it because I love the smell of maple syrup
and I'm one of those people who like a lotion
that smells like a cookie.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like my mom is always like, you wan smell like
a cookie, and I'm like, uh, cook's cookies. Raw?
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Would I would not be happy with sticky? You pick
litterch Okay, glitter tears? There you go, hands down? Okay,
next one. Would you rather spend one day at Yates
University where everyone speaks in reverse but you have to
respond normally, or spend one day in the future but
all your clothes are made of jello.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I'm going to say right off the bat, both of
those sound really fun. Like both of those I would
choose to do for the experience, as long as I
wasn't stuck there shout out Yates because I love over commentating.
But I would choose future in Jello just because I
am really the jello wouldn't bother me for a day
or two, could be kind of once again editorial.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I'd probably wear my question mark again, but it is
I'm very curious about what.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
The future holds as am I. So yeah, I mean
I'd be a little embarrassed because you know Theagello and
the potential the Jello, you know, heating up and.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You could do something modest with that.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, like think about it for you, Like maybe they
didn't say it could be like you could have like
a three piece like jellow suit or something.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah. Yeah, but how thick would it jello be? How
did take to get to opake?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Well, I I literally it's like I started doing pilates
and like my boob shrunk two cups and I'm just like,
all I have to do is probably put like a jello.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Thing on and I'm back to normal. Can you believe
that all it took was me doing plates? I had
never moved my back. I had never moved my back.
I had no idea. Wow, I know.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Would you rather only be able to speak in riddles
or only communicate via kazoo?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
This is tough.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
But what's hard about it is that I would, of
course pick riddles like I would obviously probably get better
out of practice, because I'm not actually very good at
a natural riddle the kazoo. I think I probably would
kill myself day one, and in blood I'd be like
it was because of the kazoo.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Azoo.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, just because that is just like a noise. I
don't want all day. Sorry for bringing up suicide.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
I just want to annoy. Whoever we speak with is
going to it's going to annoy.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
If I was a guy and I did the riddle thing,
I'd be like the hottest guy on the scene.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Everyone be like, dude, that's Nathan, Like he just does riddles.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, you know, with me, they'd probably be like that
funky bitch won't stop doing like twisters, you know whatever,
Like maybe a little bit, But I think that the riddle,
you could work.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
The riddle we're both on.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, I literally agree on the kazoo. You you know
you can intonate, you know you can kind of and
so and then someone's like, oh, oh, and maybe they'd
be more curious about what you're trying to say, and
they'd be interested and be like, oh it sounds like
sounds like you know you.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Are really correct that you get a lot more empathy
with the kazoo.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Would you rather every time you blink you teleport one
inch or every time you yawn your foot falls asleep?
I mean, there's there's really no win on this.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Right, blink teleport one inch? So I'm just like basically
on one of those airplane things where I'm like walking
fast all the time.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I maybe I think that that I would pick that
one because it just means like, am I teleporting to
a different.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Time you blink, you'd be one inch or maybe like
the fastest girl in town. You'd be like stop action person, right,
I think that that. Yeah, And then you start if
you bring like this, then then maybe if you blink enough.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
I'm on Dancing with the Stars, they're like I can't
keep up.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
With her, right right, because you'd be like, wow, they
are so fast, look at them.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think that one.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I think that one too. Would you rather sleep in
the bed that size dramatically every time you move or
sit in a chair for an hour that's made of forks?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
This one's like, yeah, we're getting into like territory. That's interesting.
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say I'm fine with the bed.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Bed. I like the bed. I agree with you on
the bed. I think it's be kind of comforting. Actually, rolla.
I'm a mover when I sleep. I'm always moving.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Around someone who doesn't.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
When we're working. Let's say so you have a half
hour lunch, right and you got my thing? Is I
get my lunch back to the trailer boom, Yeah, okay,
maybe a bite, stick it down or don't even eat
it and just lie down and I do the Dracula sleep.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
You sleep in the trailers for twenty minutes.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah, I need a twenty minute nap.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's almost a meditation.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
It is starts like that, but I just go and
then five minutes, I'm like, okay, good my heart. And
then I get the food next, and then I take
it into the trailer of touch ups and I, you know,
I stall a little bit, and that's lunch.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
I like that you call it a nap because a
lot of people call what you just said meditation, and
and you like check on them and they're sleeping, and
you're like, you're sleeping.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah, that's my problem with meditation. I fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
No, I like this. I do that too.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Okay, last one, last one. Would you rather have a
house cat that is also a licensed real estate agent
and insists on showing you apartments at three am? Or
own a goldfish that can perfectly imitate your voice but
only insults you. I mean, this one's pretty easy.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
This one's pretty easy. I will say.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
It's crazy how some of the questions are like things
that I would like to experience, you know, and then
some are just like you know, you're sitting on like
a bunch of works.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I love the team. Love the team here. They're doing
really good work.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
This is the hardest one for me because they both
like the goldfish would.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Be such a fun party trick. But I think, actually
I would get.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Hurt by some if it was only hurting my feeling.
And I've never been like a roast comic. Like when
someone says something mean to me, I'm like, I'm sitting
with it, you know, like people at.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Caleb we talked about, or like Dreaff Walo, they're so
good at being like, well.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Give it right back to you, where like if a
goldfish is just like you're boring, I'd be like who
said that to you?
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Know, so in your voice too, in.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
My voice that is mental case for me. Yeah, I'm
going to do the cat because she would. I actually
bought to tear up zinc is my cat.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
If she came out in like a little score and
was like we have a property, like I would, it
would be so fun.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
You've just changed my mind completely with your description.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You don't want to get woken up.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
I want the cat too. I was thinking, well, the
gold fish could be really fun because it could be
like a bit I.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Mean, just to see your cat walking on, Like to me,
the cat is like you've already well for sure, the
cat is like on its bottom legs and walking on
and it's like these are the original title, you know.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
Like, don't don't.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Sometimes you have to put in the curtains. She's like,
I'm a charge here. I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Thank you everybody. That's all the time we have. Did
we answer the question what are we even doing? Maybe not,
but we had a good try.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
We did.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We had so much fun. I really really enjoyed speaking
with you, learning about you, hearing about what you're about.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'd just I could talk to you for hours and hours.
I have the best time ever. And thank you for
doing this.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
I'm so glad, Thank you. What Are We Even Doing
is a production of iHeartMedia and the Elvis Duran podcast Network,
hosted by me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by
Full Picture productionists Heay, featuring music by Yata and artwork
by Danica Robinson. For more information about the podcast, please
(46:25):
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