July 15, 2026 • 34 mins
Actor, writer, comedian, musician, and internet icon Jaboukie Young-White joins Kyle for a conversation about the winding path that took him from Chicago to The Daily Show, Abbott Elementary, Only Murders in the Building, and beyond. They dive into why stand-up is his "first language," the rush of getting his first big laugh, the Twitter jokes that accidentally changed internet history, and why unemployment might just be the secret ingredient to going viral. Jaboukie also opens up about juggling acting, comedy, music, and woodworking, and takes on a very cursed round of What Are We Even Posting? where he channels Shrek, the USPS, SpongeBob, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What are we even do?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's gonna go it's Kyle, we're talking already, or this
is I'm your host. Yes, of what are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We sit down with young creatives, actors, musicians, comedians, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today we have on a very special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We have Well you are an actor, writer, comedian, woodworking
apprentice with we were just talking about djibuki young whites
with us. We're so happy to have you here. Thank
you for joining. So we were just talking about the woodworking.
If you continue with it, is this something that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You Yes, I took a like stool making class or
like a table making class. It can really be either
or depending on your point of view, meaning on the
size of the exactly and the person. And then I
took a dovetailing class. That was fascinating because that is
that is a pretty serious thing to learn, right, Yeah,
(01:00):
precision And I'm I'm guessing you're doing this Is it
by hand or is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It it's by hand whittling it down? Yeah, with chiles
and the whole deal.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, And it's like woodworking is a specific kind of
skill that I haven't ever really nailed down. It's like
I love cooking because you can kind of just like
vibe out and like, oh I let a little this,
little this, But like baking is like too much baking
soda and it's not cookies anymore. Yeah, something else. Yeah,
(01:27):
And woodworking is kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Do you think it's like the woodworking is like almost
like chemistry, because baking is like chemistry, right, because you
got to put the ingredients together the right temperature or
the right time, the right amount.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Et cetera. Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, specifically with the dovetails, it's like it's meant to
be pretty and functional but also really pretty. And mine
was a low wabi sabi. It was in its own way. Okay, No,
I think I had a book called Japanese Joinery really yeah,
because I just I love the idea of that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And then this is just you know, they have.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Some way they join things that it's crazy complicated. Oh yeah,
it's like no glue even no glue, and it's like
a puzzle that you kind of have to pull apart.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And then this one goes in here and it comes out.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Those reels get me every time I'm gonna sit and
I'm not even gonna double speed it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
No, no, just gonna watch watch it and go so
and you might even go back. I have a confession
to make I do that with golf videos.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'm a golfer, okay, you know, I follow it, and
then they always have the swing a golf swing, and
it's always like, okay, I gotta stop this. So I'm watching,
I'm like Dellie Corda or something with beautiful swing and
I'm just like look at the position, like because I
take it apart because to me, it's it is like
a science. Yeah, the swing. You know, I get into
my head, which is not what you're supposed to do
with the swing. But I love going down that kind
(02:45):
of it is very like physics. It's like you're seeing
like the dotted line, yes, like the ball trajectory and everything.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've never actually golf. I've only done like golf simulations.
Oh chat, you've gone and like, yeah, like I've done
when you like go to the room and there's like
a projector on the wall and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yes, but I've never actually like on turf.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That is interesting. I didn't know that about you. Yeah,
it's two different things. Yeah, the turf thing is because
there's then you get into like etiquette and rules and
all sorts of different kinds of things. Really, when you're
in like a room like this and you just have
the you know, the projector and stuff, it's just you're
just concentrating on you and on the swing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So anyway, it makes me crazy when you talk about
the like rules in the etiquette. Is it like you
have to swing a certain way or like, No, it's
mostly just behavior. Okay, okay, So when I take my
nephews out, let's just say we have to have plenty
of people and that are not in front of us,
and we have to have space basically, which is challenging.
(03:43):
And there's a certain kind of speed that you have
to play at. There's outside pressures, and you have the
outfits which are fun.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that would be my favorite part. Yeah, I know
today you're looking you're looking sharp.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We're talking about it. You can get a little matching belt. Oh,
it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Tell me about your start if you don't mind, Just
kind of like you're going, I'm this kid, and then
you like something triggered you said, I think this is
the thing I should do. Yeah, you know, it genuinely
started my freshman year of high school, I went to
a school where there was only one other kid from
my middle school there, which was kind of cool because
(04:20):
I was like, if I'm not around you, I could
be a completely different person.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Like I completely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I think you reinvent yourself when you make that transition
right after community. But then I am so thankful that
he was there because I'd played basketball in middle school
and that was just not going to happen for me
in high school.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So it's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And then they had announced tryouts for like the forensics
like speech team, not forensics like CSI, but like it's
like speech and debate. That sounds yeah yeah, that's yeah right, okay,
and he was like, oh, you should do that, like
you always used to like do readings at mass and stuff,
and okay, you should try that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So it's a reminder of a kind of yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So he was like, I know you're pretending to be
this other person now, but this is who you used
to be, so maybe like.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Try that out.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And then I did that, and that's really where it started.
Speech is kind of like track and field, but for
acting or performing you have poetry and prose reading and
like humorous do it, acting and dramatic do it and
all that stuff, and they get the two hundred to
four hundred. I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I get it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I started doing that, and then that's kind of
when I started writing and performing jokes. And then in
ernest I started really doing stand up when I was
like nineteen.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think speech and debate is like, it's really if
everyone should be required to do it. I think in school,
I just think it's such a great, such great training,
you know, get you over your stage, fright, you're writing
your stuff. Yeah, and it's performing you know at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So what were the subjects?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
So you were like there were certain things that you
I'm sure you spoke about. Was just something that really, yeah,
this is really my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I remember my freshman year it was about like civil
discourse in politics or something like that. Obama had just
gotten elected. So they were really trying to like sell
me as that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
They were like, well you kind of look like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got a niche for you.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I was like, I want to do funny events.
I want to do funny stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Basically every year, anytime I wrote something, they would be like,
this is not a funny event, and you are writing
too many jokes, and they would like mark me down.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then my senior year I finally got to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I found that I always was gravitating towards like controversial topics.
Yeah yeah, interesting, yeah yeah, which is continued.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Kind of yeah yeah, no, in a great way.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I was watching your your first Trevor Noah appearance.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh yeah, you were. I mean, I don't know if
you were nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You certadin' you didn't look nervous and and he went
along with it, and you looked you were strong.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you, you were powerful? Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I love being in front of a live audience because
it's like, as soon as I get the laugh, I'm like, okay,
we're like, we're coasting, We're having fun now.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's the great thing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I think you talked about the different kinds of laughs
that you can feel, and I'm similar to you in
that I also like to work in front of a
live audience because on stage, particularly because I'm not a
fourth wall person, you know, and there's no there's no
blocking of the audience. I'm like totally invested in the
entire audience in the entire room, still within character, doing
my home thing. But that's another little piece out here
(07:25):
that's just monitoring.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yes, do you have the same kind of experience on
I think stand up like really real. When it's going well,
it feels like you're doing a scene with like another person,
but it's the entire audience.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I've never heard it explain that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I love that and that feeling is so great, Like
when you can really lock in and everyone is on
the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know, that's like, that's magical.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's it's an amazing ski I've I've always been really
nervous about. It's one of this I've never done it,
never tried it, probably never will, but I've I look
at it as kind of the top of the mountain
in terms of performing because it's it's very basic. It's
huge in a microphone and and that's it, you know
what I mean. And there is no hiding. I mean
there is hiding in terms of characters. You play characters
(08:10):
and do things like that, but it's really everything is
on your shoulders.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, show up at this comedy place in Brooklyn, Oh jeez, no, no, no, yeah,
you know, anytime I do anything makes me nervous, I
always get sort of hyped up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That would make me absolutely Oh Marybeth has new material nights.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh wow, Mary Beth is. Unbelieve Mary Beth Bronne. She's 'mblazy.
She's so good, over compensating, wonderful person, great writer. She
is a great writer. I don't know anyone drier than
Mary Beeth. I mean, honestly, she is so still and
so courageous.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Takes a lot of courage to sit with, let something
land and let it sort of roll, which I'm like,
I admire her tremendously.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We're talking about overcompensating. Before we were thinking that you'd be
so great on over join up Benny my son bling
the dad card, which I think I can do.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
UTS know about age, the age thing, that was really funny.
You have to how old is I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He's an elder millennial, elder millennial, which is a really
good Yeah one am, I'm fifty nine elder elder millennial
probably Yeah, no, no, no, you're gonna say that you might
be gen x Wow you think in my in my heart,
but really impactful. Yes, you guys had a big like
cultural legacy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, a lot to live up to, a lot to
live down. One thing that I read about you which
caught my I was that you were in The Miracle Worker.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I was was that in high school or was it
high school? Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, okay, very earnest, like you know, it's like, okay, yeah,
and whoever's playing Helen Keller has to really go for it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I'm assuming you weren't role of Helen Keller. Now, No,
even though.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I tried, you tried, then you would have been a
great That's what I will Kellor, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It would have been too tempting to speak though I
know you wouldn't have been able to in the no
way you could not have done that role. You talked
about an ad lib that you did, and I just
had this vision in my head. I was like, oh
my god, I gotta know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What this ad lib? You remember?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yes, So in The Miracle Worker, there's this scene where, uh,
Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan are doing one of their
first lessons, and Anne Sullivan is trying to teach Helen
Keller how to use a knife and fork at the
dinner table, okay, and Helen Keller is like throwing things
off the table, throwing the knife, throwing the fork. The
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actress that night was like really really going for it
and really like fucking the setup.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then she knocked over one of the chairs and
it broke.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And it's the chair that I have to sit in
for like more than half the play. Are you off
stage watching this going fuck? Yeah, we're off stage watching it.
And we would always watch because it's like, oh, she's
going to break stuff. We would get we would get excited.
But then we saw that break and then there was
like a little oh from the audience, like a little reaction.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And everyone backstage was like, what are we going to
do it?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And I was like, okay, we're going to go out
and then we'll hold for a second. I'm going to
say something and then well just as you yeah, okay,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They were like what are you going to say? And
I was like just wait.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then we go out there and we're all looking
at each other and I really held it and then
I looked at my chair and I went, oh, my
favorite chair, and it was it was so stupid, It
was so dumb, but it got like three minute laugh break, and.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was addicted.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I remember in that moment being like I need this again.
And then I got chewed out by the theater director.
Oh so he was like, that was not your moment.
You stole focus. And I was like, well, I mean
she broke my chair.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You have to you have to adjust. Remember I was
doing it was one of my early jobs. I was
in Ashland. We were doing Romeo and Juliet. It's an
outdoor stage, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It had just started, not rain necessary, but just kind
of missed a little bit, not enough to stop the show,
but the stage got wet and it got slippery, and
so we were doing this fight sequence.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh my god, rape.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Your dagger, you know, all this all this stuff, and
I went and I slipped and I fell and my
sword hand hit the ground to sort of and the
sword went pointing out of my hand into the audience.
This is like, it's not a fake sword. This is
like really good to do some damage. I mean it's
not sharp, but it was. And I was like, and
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I said, I just for a moment, I was like,
what do I do? And I just and I looked
out of the audience like a real I said, put
my hand out like this, and the sword was passed
up handed to me and I went, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Something fight.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
We didn't get a laugh, but it was very oh
my god. The fact I didn't put somebody's eye out.
I was like, it was interactive theater. It was, yeah,
accidental interactive theater. But there's always moments like that. Yeah,
things that they got you got to adjust. You got
to adjust. Something breaks and it's not supposed to break,
or something doesn't make it on stage.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That happened at the Roundabout.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
There was supposed to be a gold Buddha that was
on stage and they didn't make it that night. And
so we're off stage and I'm looking off stage and
I'm looking across at my my coast guard, and we're
looking at each other. There's no boot out there, and
we got to talk about the Buddha and we're like
from stage sightside and we're like, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So we just we just like walked out. We weren't
in the scene. We just walked out, took the boot
and put it, walked back off stage like nothing happened.
We're not here.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know how you plan when you walk in stages,
no one can see us, no one saying any attention. God,
these are the moments that we remember. Oh that's funny.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
The other thing that was reading this thing about you
were in a socialist loft, which I just think is
just you must use that for material.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right, you know. I haven't really in stand up that much.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, but it was like interpersonally so rich because you're
living with like twelve different people, right, so like everyone
has a relationship to each other, and there's so many
different dynamics going on.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I think this is like like a sitcom or something.
I mean, this is like, as you said, so many
different characters.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And it was also like I think a lot of
people hear that and they're like, oh my god, that
sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It was actually so much fun. It was great. So.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean, like I was living in New York and
for a long period of time I was not paying
rent because the landlord suit us, so like all of
our rent was basically going into an escro account.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Ok, And then I got all of the rent that
I paid back. Oh my god, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Really, I don't think I would have been able to
make stand up happen so fast if it wasn't for that,
because I really was just like doing I only did
stand up when I first came to New York.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, God, where did you work? What did I do?
I did Postmates for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That would be really fun because then I would like
show up to like the NYU dorms and they'd be
like you seem like you go here.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Like what are you? What do you do? Do you
have a young face? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, and they would like give me a tip, like hey,
like good luck.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So I did that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And then I was a video assistant to this director
who was working on this documentary about a two thousand
and four Greek soccer team, and I was supposed to
be like doing the like subtitles or transcription. I don't
speak Greek, but I was like yeah, sure, definitely, yeah.
And I was seeing a guy at the time who
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was Greek, and I was like, yeah, you gotta help me,
help me, I gotta keep this relationship going.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, at least for another couple of weeks. So I
did that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And then the last job that I had I worked
at the Brooklyn Academy of Music.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I did like telefunding you went to school in Chicago.
In Chicago.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that was like a pivotal moment for me where
I was like, Okay, I'm taking this seriously. I was
taking this summer class that was like a pre wreck
that I needed to go into junior year. I was
taking the class. I got this backstage notification for this
role where they were like looking for racially ambiguous male
(16:28):
eighteen to twenty two between five eight and six', one
like open to all gender expressions in sexuality or something
like that open casting Call New.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
York city like This. Friday.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wow AND i was, Like i've never seen something that
has like so DIRECTLY i can do.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
This.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah and THEN i went up to my professor AND
i was, Like, hey would it be possible IF i
could like make up the final some other time and
she was, like, no you have to be here for.
This and it was, like what IF i told you
my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Died, YEAH y used the. Grandfather you can use that
once because all of mine were. Dead SO i was,
like it already, happened and, yeah it. Was it was
not an untruthed.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Exactly and then she just stared at me and did
not find that charming or funny, now and THEN i was, like,
YEAH i Think i'm just going to go to. This
so THEN i got into a megabus and then, yeah
he just went.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah it was this pilot AT hbo THAT i think
it Was steve McQueen who's working. On SO i was, like,
WELL i have to watch the. Work so THEN i
was Watching shame on mega bus And Michael fastbender's stick
was just like flopping around on my laptop screen on
a megabus.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Had New york and this is WHAT i. Remember this
is my great. Start that is.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Hilarious, yeah the back state remember the backstate of the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Paper did they have That?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
CHICAGO i never got the, paper but they would do
like break, down break. Down, yeah this Is i'm talking
about an early. Age it was you get.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Them it was like kind of a newspaper, thing kind
of like a hollow report variety whatever, newsprint you know
WHAT i. Mean and you'd go through with your sharp
and you'd circle you know this and this LIKE i
want to do this order this, edition this is this,
time and then you set the time and make me
call thing back Then, no, no, no, NO i don't
think there was ANY i don't think you could do
(18:19):
anything like.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That you had to go in you set up like
a super eight or. Something.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Eight we did an eight meal meter and then you
had to crank it yourself to make it, go you.
Know and so did you get back and make the final?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Up but did? It? No, no you never ended up
feeling that. Class.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Wow and then that's WHEN i was, LIKE i Think
i'm going to drop out of. School and then all
of my friends were LIKE i was nineteen at the, time,
maybe and my friends were, like, so what are you
going to?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Do AND i was, like that's actually such a good
question THAT i.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
REALIZED i was, LIKE i might as well just stay
in school because, yeah like what? Else and THEN i
just stopped taking like my curriculum AND i just started
taking classes THAT, i, like you wanted to do In.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Chicago, yeah that's that's a really good. Approach.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
YEAH i went to. SCHOOL i had to TAKE i
had to make up some classes as. Well, YEAH i
have some math.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Classes really were you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
NOT i was well in high school is LIKE i
stopped At. TRIGG i was, like this is this is
it for? Me all my friends that's still FAR i
mean that's pretty. Good, yeah BUT i didn't had no.
Idea they went on to calculus AND i was, like,
no thank. You why was it so difficult for me
to like look at these symbols and these expressions and
GO i have no.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
IDEA i have no concept of what these are relating.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To, yeah the whole ethos behind math was just it
didn't sit right with.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Me mm.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
HMM i was, LIKE i don't like that there's only
one answer BECAUSE i feel, like honestly it depends like
maybe there's not only one. Answer there's the only one
answer we know right. Now and my son are in.
Alignment we do share a voice a voiceover. Experience SO
(20:04):
i did The dad And Inside out one and. Two
you in strange, world AND i want to hear about
what it was like BECAUSE i had a very specific
experience doing doing my thing and what was it? Like
what was the environment like when you went into work
and had you done which over work? Before was that
the FIRST i had done some voiceover. Work the first
(20:30):
THAT i did is WHEN i wrote On Big. Mouth
WHEN i was, There jordan was, Like Jordan peele was
doing The Get Out press tour and he would be,
gone so much that they would have me Do Duke
ellington's scratch BECAUSE i did like a pretty Good Duke
jordan Doing duke and they ended up just using it
(20:53):
for one of the. Episodes they were, like how did it?
Go can you give me a little or has it
been so IF i IF i heard it, AGAIN i COULD.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I can do. It but impersonations are.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Hard they are they, are especially when you're doing an
impersonation of someone doing an. Impersonation but BUT i think
and it WAS i think it Was Dana carvey said.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
THIS i don't.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Know he, said the best way to learn how to
do like he did The George bush, Right so the
best way it was to listen to somebody else do
a version of it and then follow. That, yeah as
opposed to taking it directly from the, source WHICH i
think is actually a good. Idea SO i wass messed
around With Christopher. WALKIN i don't, Know i'm, here well,
(21:35):
there and it's a very extreme version and everyone has
their own, version but you, know you find it from somebody. Else,
yeah do you feel you feel the same OR i
could see.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That WHAT i like to do IS i like to
like WHEN i do a D, R i love doing.
IT i love it. Too i'm obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It LIKE i think of it like a little game
of like how close CAN i get to.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
The audio on the?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Day, yeah, Yeah AND i just love really listening to
like the details in someone's.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Voice, yeah, voices they carry so. Much, yeah let's say
so much about.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Us but With Strange, worlds the process basically WAS i
went to the recording studio soundtracks and at the, time
they didn't even really.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Have, picture, Right, yeah there's no.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Picture they would just describe, like so you are going
to jump on a red blood, cell so make a
noise that you would make if you were jumping on
a red blood. Cell AND i would be, like, so
what's the vibe of the blood, Cell like what's the?
Texture and they'd be, like it's, bouncy and then you
would like have to come up with a bouncy.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yell or something like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
YEAH i also was doing it totally in. ISOLATION i
didn't even know who else was in. It that was
my other, question was, there did you have somebody with
you the same? THING i didn't have.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
ANYONE i.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Had Diane Lane dine played the mom the first session
of the first of the first, film and so we
were in the same room, together which was really nice
and sort of. Helpful but you're, also you, know you're
not looking at them, Necessarily you're you're you, know you're
looking ahead and you're kind, of as you, said kind.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Of imagining whatever they've explained to.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
YOU i love voice for. Work it's it's, LIKE i don't,
know it's one of the things THAT i look forward. To, actually, Same,
yeah that's very. Cool, YEAH i love when it's. SILLY
i Love. Yeah i've done some before where they're like
we want you to just do like ten characters or
we just need like ten different characters like in various different.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Scenes that's always. FUN i love. That, yeah what was that?
Forward was that first? Specific it was for This netflix
show Called Battle.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Kitty, okay it was like they just brought me in
and we're, like this is what this guy looks.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Like what would he sound?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
LIKE i love, That like, improv which is based on you,
know and just go with the first thing that comes to.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Mind, yeah it make a sense of you just.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
About talking about that experience math a little, bit the.
Woodworking you, know the. Process you like the, process and
you like to sort of dig down into the specifics of.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, YEAH i have to like control myself sometimes because
like Sometimes i'll engage with something LIKE i don't have
like the time to get obsessed with that right, Now
LIKE i can't even touch that. Yet i'll come back to,
it come back to. It, yeahyah is there a current
thing right?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
NOW i mean woodworking obviously is something that you're continuing,
with which is?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Woodworking.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Definitely i've been like looking At it's tricky because with,
classes it's, LIKE i, mean with this, job you just
have to like randomly leave. Sometimes So i've been trying
to find something that might work around. That And i'm,
like who wants to be my a briendor.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
A?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
PRENUR i don't. Know CAN i be someone's? Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
YES i need a, Tutor LIKE i need someone to, like, really, hey.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Could you you want to do some woodwork in This?
Thursday are you? Around? Yeah you want to Learn greek? Philosophy?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah woodworking, yea WHICH i kind of need them to Resurrect.
MICHAELANGELO i appreciate that so. Much i'm very much like.
That it's like AND i have things like on a
list in my. Brain it's LIKE i need to learn
about THIS i WANT i want to Study.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Italian that's what's going.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
On my, wife on your, hand she's like she is
able to like do ten minutes on like a lot
of different. Things so she sort of does like, slow
very slow progression because she's does it every, day but
all these different, things AND i have a real hard, time,
yeah BECAUSE i ONCE i got onto, SOMETHING i just
want to go all in, yes AND i don't want
to be.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
DISTRACTED i want to just be on this.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
One, thing, yes and experience that to the fullest, yeah
and then be Like, OKAY i got, ENOUGH i got my.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Phone. Yeah we did a Movie Trash, Mountain, YES i With.
Caleb it was really.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fun and what was really surreal about it is that
we were shooting like WHERE i went to high. School,
yeah like in the town that was like right next
to WHERE i went to high, School.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Harvey it Was, Homewood home Of.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
ILLINOIS i went to high school In Chicago heights And
homewood Is like.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That was totally.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Random, yeah they were like shooting the suburbs Of chicago For,
missouri and it was so so. Real there were even
some things with the character that were like grappling with
being in a place where you might not feel like
totally welcome or comfortable or like something like.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That AND i was, like, well, yeah, YEAH i don't
have to do. Much yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Cool but it was really. Funny it was great to work.
With and, YEAH i haven't seen anything, yet But i'm really.
Excited did you write on it or was It? Ca,
Yeah caleb wrote it along With ruby and, YEAH i
was kind of just brought on and it was so much.
Fun it really felt like like WHEN i was in
COLLEGE i really got into like the whole mumblecore MOVEMENT
(26:58):
i was so obsessed. WITH i was like these people
were just sitting around making, movies like they just wropped
up the camera and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah let's
have some dramatic. Conversations and it kind of felt like
within that lineage of like you, know Early, greta Like Joe,
swanberg like that Whole.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah and it was it was really. Fun that's.
AWESOME i can't. Wait it'll be really.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Cool BUT i, mean you have written so you wrote
though chief you got to show.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So that Was she really wanted like a spectacle for
her live. Show, yeah and she, okay, yeah she hit
me up to like basically she gave me the track
list and was, like we want to build like an
overarching narrative for the live.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Show that it is so.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Interesting it's like usually you have you do a film
and then you bring it to the musician if you're
going to and you do the. Opposite, yeah and you
had the music and you're, Like, okay we're gonna put
a show to.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This, yeah how was? That how did you approach? That it?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
WAS i MEAN i did a little bit of writing
and THEN i flew out TO la and got to
sit in on some rehearsals and like kind of make
it work more with like the choreography and working with
like the creative.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Director AND i mean watching her work was.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Insane she is like from the school Of, beyonce like
where she's doing everything to like the nth degree and
it's going to be drilled down until it's perfect and
she's like not cutting any, corners like really dedicated and
so game, too like really fun to collaborate. With knows
(28:41):
exactly what she, wants which is so. Helpful AND i
was really happy with how it turned. Out it was
like it was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Epic that's.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Cool, Yeah like she was LIKE i wanted to feel
Like Bob. FOSSE i want it to feel Like. BROADWAY
i wanted To she really wanted to make it, theatrical
like stage, perform stage or something like. That, yeah we're
going to game that we designed for. You, okay, yeah
but that's a deranged. Segment most of our segments are.
Deranged but that's part of the. Fun it's called what
are we even? Posting, okay we're gonna take a. Break
(29:09):
we're gonna get dressed up and we'll let it. Rip, okay,
great all, Right so we are now wearing cool, shirts
verified goat, shirts and we are about to jump into
what are we even?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Posting game? Segment, Okay i'm gonna give. You i'm gonna
give you an institution or a character as well as
a social, platform and you will have ten seconds or
more to come up with a post as if you
are impersonating. Them, yes you famously have impersonated other elements On.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Twitter. Okay the first one up Is shrek posting on
Next door.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Gently used sling for Sale aqua four that the lip, stuff, Right?
Okay leaving A yelp review aquafor would be leaving A
yelp review For chippendale's and they would say call, us.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Thank, you thank. You this one's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Fun scotch. Tape, okay writing an apology post On instagram,
story we are sorry for the Anti scottish language in
our brand. Title we are rebranding as An italian.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
TAPE i love.
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Texts patrick about.
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Boundaries this is A SpongeBob. Fan you are A SpongeBob.
FAN i love. THAT i love. Him he's like the
Modern Paul. Bunion he's. Real he's.
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Real he doesn't have an OX. Mta okay messaging someone On,
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Ryah. Yeah these are from my after my time to
L O. L we're saving. These by the, way we're
going to frame. These.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Okay United States Postal service posting On. LinkedIn, OKAY usps
posting On.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
LinkedIn hiring self starting team players with at least five
years of eye rolling, experience.
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Personal experience in that one first, wonderful but it's so.
FUN i want to ask, you, so what's? Happening so
you recently said in The northwest.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Are you are you? Touring?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Now what's happening right? NOW i still have a few dates.
Left more, movie more movie that we want to we
want with More The Love. Hypothesis, okay that is rom
com that comes out this. Fall, okay that's a really fun.
One uh It's, Lille Ryan hart And Tom bateman. Starting,
okay and then look out For Trash. Mountain, okay then
(31:57):
kind of just look out for. Me i'm on the,
Subway i'm Around New.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
York you should a. Concert you should be working all the. Time,
yeah oh my, god yeah yeah all the. TIME i
said about, us let's be working all the.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Time, well you guys are.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Working.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Now we've got to do, yeah we. Do we have
important things to. Do have you ever have you cut yourself?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yet have you? Done?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah but only, once like a little thumb. Cut,
okay AND i felt like really like, okay, nice, yeah
LIKE I i'm ushered in yeah. Yeah but it was
with the, chisel, yes, yeah so it just like nicked.
Me but WHEN i do like the table saw, Stuff
i'm so so, careful LIKE i, Know i'm the same.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Way i'm the same.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Way it's like really step, step make sure it's, good you,
know walk through IF i try to do Table SO
i was WHEN i was like seventeen or eighteen years.
Old it's just, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No we had a shop. CLASS i remember. Now we
would actually Poor we would heat he had a. Crucible
we would heat the metal liquid, liquid and then we
made sand, casts, right and we would pour this liquid
metal into the sand. Casts the students would do. This
this is in junior high.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
School they let, you guys do they let us do
every running around school naked yep metal three thousand degrees
hot liquid.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Metal see what you? Missed bring it?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Back it.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Happen we gotta make it. Happen.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Please oh my, God oh my, God, wookie what a.
Pleasure thank you for being. HERE i really enjoyed this.
Conversation it was very. Fun and you get to keep the,
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
What are we even doing?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
It's gonna go it's Kyle, we're talking already, or this
is I'm your host. Yes, of what are we even doing?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We sit down with young creatives, actors, musicians, comedians, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today we have on a very special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We have Well you are an actor, writer, comedian, woodworking
apprentice with we were just talking about djibuki young whites
with us. We're so happy to have you here. Thank
you for joining. So we were just talking about the woodworking.
If you continue with it, is this something that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You Yes, I took a like stool making class or
like a table making class. It can really be either
or depending on your point of view, meaning on the
size of the exactly and the person. And then I
took a dovetailing class. That was fascinating because that is
that is a pretty serious thing to learn, right, Yeah,
(01:00):
precision And I'm I'm guessing you're doing this Is it
by hand or is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It it's by hand whittling it down? Yeah, with chiles
and the whole deal.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, And it's like woodworking is a specific kind of
skill that I haven't ever really nailed down. It's like
I love cooking because you can kind of just like
vibe out and like, oh I let a little this,
little this, But like baking is like too much baking
soda and it's not cookies anymore. Yeah, something else. Yeah,
(01:27):
And woodworking is kind of like that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Do you think it's like the woodworking is like almost
like chemistry, because baking is like chemistry, right, because you
got to put the ingredients together the right temperature or
the right time, the right amount.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Et cetera. Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well, specifically with the dovetails, it's like it's meant to
be pretty and functional but also really pretty. And mine
was a low wabi sabi. It was in its own way. Okay, No,
I think I had a book called Japanese Joinery really yeah,
because I just I love the idea of that.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And then this is just you know, they have.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Some way they join things that it's crazy complicated. Oh yeah,
it's like no glue even no glue, and it's like
a puzzle that you kind of have to pull apart.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And then this one goes in here and it comes out.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Those reels get me every time I'm gonna sit and
I'm not even gonna double speed it.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
No, no, just gonna watch watch it and go so
and you might even go back. I have a confession
to make I do that with golf videos.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'm a golfer, okay, you know, I follow it, and
then they always have the swing a golf swing, and
it's always like, okay, I gotta stop this. So I'm watching,
I'm like Dellie Corda or something with beautiful swing and
I'm just like look at the position, like because I
take it apart because to me, it's it is like
a science. Yeah, the swing. You know, I get into
my head, which is not what you're supposed to do
with the swing. But I love going down that kind
(02:45):
of it is very like physics. It's like you're seeing
like the dotted line, yes, like the ball trajectory and everything.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I've never actually golf. I've only done like golf simulations.
Oh chat, you've gone and like, yeah, like I've done
when you like go to the room and there's like
a projector on the wall and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yes, but I've never actually like on turf.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That is interesting. I didn't know that about you. Yeah,
it's two different things. Yeah, the turf thing is because
there's then you get into like etiquette and rules and
all sorts of different kinds of things. Really, when you're
in like a room like this and you just have
the you know, the projector and stuff, it's just you're
just concentrating on you and on the swing.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
So anyway, it makes me crazy when you talk about
the like rules in the etiquette. Is it like you
have to swing a certain way or like, No, it's
mostly just behavior. Okay, okay, So when I take my
nephews out, let's just say we have to have plenty
of people and that are not in front of us,
and we have to have space basically, which is challenging.
(03:43):
And there's a certain kind of speed that you have
to play at. There's outside pressures, and you have the
outfits which are fun.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, that would be my favorite part. Yeah, I know
today you're looking you're looking sharp.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We're talking about it. You can get a little matching belt. Oh,
it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Tell me about your start if you don't mind, Just
kind of like you're going, I'm this kid, and then
you like something triggered you said, I think this is
the thing I should do. Yeah, you know, it genuinely
started my freshman year of high school, I went to
a school where there was only one other kid from
my middle school there, which was kind of cool because
(04:20):
I was like, if I'm not around you, I could
be a completely different person.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Like I completely agree with that.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
I think you reinvent yourself when you make that transition
right after community. But then I am so thankful that
he was there because I'd played basketball in middle school
and that was just not going to happen for me
in high school.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So it's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And then they had announced tryouts for like the forensics
like speech team, not forensics like CSI, but like it's
like speech and debate. That sounds yeah yeah, that's yeah right, okay,
and he was like, oh, you should do that, like
you always used to like do readings at mass and stuff,
and okay, you should try that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So it's a reminder of a kind of yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So he was like, I know you're pretending to be
this other person now, but this is who you used
to be, so maybe like.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Try that out.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And then I did that, and that's really where it started.
Speech is kind of like track and field, but for
acting or performing you have poetry and prose reading and
like humorous do it, acting and dramatic do it and
all that stuff, and they get the two hundred to
four hundred. I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I get it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I started doing that, and then that's kind of
when I started writing and performing jokes. And then in
ernest I started really doing stand up when I was
like nineteen.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think speech and debate is like, it's really if
everyone should be required to do it. I think in school,
I just think it's such a great, such great training,
you know, get you over your stage, fright, you're writing
your stuff. Yeah, and it's performing you know at the
end of the day.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So what were the subjects?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
So you were like there were certain things that you
I'm sure you spoke about. Was just something that really, yeah,
this is really my wheelhouse.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I remember my freshman year it was about like civil
discourse in politics or something like that. Obama had just
gotten elected. So they were really trying to like sell
me as that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
They were like, well you kind of look like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got a niche for you.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I was like, I want to do funny events.
I want to do funny stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Basically every year, anytime I wrote something, they would be like,
this is not a funny event, and you are writing
too many jokes, and they would like mark me down.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And then my senior year I finally got to do it.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I found that I always was gravitating towards like controversial topics.
Yeah yeah, interesting, yeah yeah, which is continued.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Kind of yeah yeah, no, in a great way.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I was watching your your first Trevor Noah appearance.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh yeah, you were. I mean, I don't know if
you were nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
You certadin' you didn't look nervous and and he went
along with it, and you looked you were strong.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Thank you, you were powerful? Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I love being in front of a live audience because
it's like, as soon as I get the laugh, I'm like, okay,
we're like, we're coasting, We're having fun now.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It's the great thing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I think you talked about the different kinds of laughs
that you can feel, and I'm similar to you in
that I also like to work in front of a
live audience because on stage, particularly because I'm not a
fourth wall person, you know, and there's no there's no
blocking of the audience. I'm like totally invested in the
entire audience in the entire room, still within character, doing
my home thing. But that's another little piece out here
(07:25):
that's just monitoring.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yes, do you have the same kind of experience on
I think stand up like really real. When it's going well,
it feels like you're doing a scene with like another person,
but it's the entire audience.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I've never heard it explain that.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I love that and that feeling is so great, Like
when you can really lock in and everyone is on
the same page.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know, that's like, that's magical.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's it's an amazing ski I've I've always been really
nervous about. It's one of this I've never done it,
never tried it, probably never will, but I've I look
at it as kind of the top of the mountain
in terms of performing because it's it's very basic. It's
huge in a microphone and and that's it, you know
what I mean. And there is no hiding. I mean
there is hiding in terms of characters. You play characters
(08:10):
and do things like that, but it's really everything is
on your shoulders.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, show up at this comedy place in Brooklyn, Oh jeez, no, no, no, yeah,
you know, anytime I do anything makes me nervous, I
always get sort of hyped up.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That would make me absolutely Oh Marybeth has new material nights.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Oh wow, Mary Beth is. Unbelieve Mary Beth Bronne. She's 'mblazy.
She's so good, over compensating, wonderful person, great writer. She
is a great writer. I don't know anyone drier than
Mary Beeth. I mean, honestly, she is so still and
so courageous.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Takes a lot of courage to sit with, let something
land and let it sort of roll, which I'm like,
I admire her tremendously.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We're talking about overcompensating. Before we were thinking that you'd be
so great on over join up Benny my son bling
the dad card, which I think I can do.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
UTS know about age, the age thing, that was really funny.
You have to how old is I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
He's an elder millennial, elder millennial, which is a really
good Yeah one am, I'm fifty nine elder elder millennial
probably Yeah, no, no, no, you're gonna say that you might
be gen x Wow you think in my in my heart,
but really impactful. Yes, you guys had a big like
cultural legacy.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, a lot to live up to, a lot to
live down. One thing that I read about you which
caught my I was that you were in The Miracle Worker.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I was was that in high school or was it
high school? Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Okay, okay, very earnest, like you know, it's like, okay, yeah,
and whoever's playing Helen Keller has to really go for it,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I'm assuming you weren't role of Helen Keller. Now, No,
even though.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I tried, you tried, then you would have been a
great That's what I will Kellor, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
It would have been too tempting to speak though I
know you wouldn't have been able to in the no
way you could not have done that role. You talked
about an ad lib that you did, and I just
had this vision in my head. I was like, oh
my god, I gotta know.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
What this ad lib? You remember?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yes, So in The Miracle Worker, there's this scene where, uh,
Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan are doing one of their
first lessons, and Anne Sullivan is trying to teach Helen
Keller how to use a knife and fork at the
dinner table, okay, and Helen Keller is like throwing things
off the table, throwing the knife, throwing the fork. The
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actress that night was like really really going for it
and really like fucking the setup.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then she knocked over one of the chairs and
it broke.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
And it's the chair that I have to sit in
for like more than half the play. Are you off
stage watching this going fuck? Yeah, we're off stage watching it.
And we would always watch because it's like, oh, she's
going to break stuff. We would get we would get excited.
But then we saw that break and then there was
like a little oh from the audience, like a little reaction.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
And everyone backstage was like, what are we going to
do it?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And I was like, okay, we're going to go out
and then we'll hold for a second. I'm going to
say something and then well just as you yeah, okay,
and then.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They were like what are you going to say? And
I was like just wait.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And then we go out there and we're all looking
at each other and I really held it and then
I looked at my chair and I went, oh, my
favorite chair, and it was it was so stupid, It
was so dumb, but it got like three minute laugh break, and.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I was addicted.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I remember in that moment being like I need this again.
And then I got chewed out by the theater director.
Oh so he was like, that was not your moment.
You stole focus. And I was like, well, I mean
she broke my chair.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
You have to you have to adjust. Remember I was
doing it was one of my early jobs. I was
in Ashland. We were doing Romeo and Juliet. It's an
outdoor stage, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It had just started, not rain necessary, but just kind
of missed a little bit, not enough to stop the show,
but the stage got wet and it got slippery, and
so we were doing this fight sequence.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh my god, rape.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Your dagger, you know, all this all this stuff, and
I went and I slipped and I fell and my
sword hand hit the ground to sort of and the
sword went pointing out of my hand into the audience.
This is like, it's not a fake sword. This is
like really good to do some damage. I mean it's
not sharp, but it was. And I was like, and
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I said, I just for a moment, I was like,
what do I do? And I just and I looked
out of the audience like a real I said, put
my hand out like this, and the sword was passed
up handed to me and I went, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Something fight.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
We didn't get a laugh, but it was very oh
my god. The fact I didn't put somebody's eye out.
I was like, it was interactive theater. It was, yeah,
accidental interactive theater. But there's always moments like that. Yeah,
things that they got you got to adjust. You got
to adjust. Something breaks and it's not supposed to break,
or something doesn't make it on stage.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
That happened at the Roundabout.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
There was supposed to be a gold Buddha that was
on stage and they didn't make it that night. And
so we're off stage and I'm looking off stage and
I'm looking across at my my coast guard, and we're
looking at each other. There's no boot out there, and
we got to talk about the Buddha and we're like
from stage sightside and we're like, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So we just we just like walked out. We weren't
in the scene. We just walked out, took the boot
and put it, walked back off stage like nothing happened.
We're not here.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You know how you plan when you walk in stages,
no one can see us, no one saying any attention. God,
these are the moments that we remember. Oh that's funny.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
The other thing that was reading this thing about you
were in a socialist loft, which I just think is
just you must use that for material.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Right, you know. I haven't really in stand up that much.
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, but it was like interpersonally so rich because you're
living with like twelve different people, right, so like everyone
has a relationship to each other, and there's so many
different dynamics going on.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I think this is like like a sitcom or something.
I mean, this is like, as you said, so many
different characters.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And it was also like I think a lot of
people hear that and they're like, oh my god, that
sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It was actually so much fun. It was great. So.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I mean, like I was living in New York and
for a long period of time I was not paying
rent because the landlord suit us, so like all of
our rent was basically going into an escro account.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Ok, And then I got all of the rent that
I paid back. Oh my god, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Really, I don't think I would have been able to
make stand up happen so fast if it wasn't for that,
because I really was just like doing I only did
stand up when I first came to New York.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, God, where did you work? What did I do?
I did Postmates for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That would be really fun because then I would like
show up to like the NYU dorms and they'd be
like you seem like you go here.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Like what are you? What do you do? Do you
have a young face? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, and they would like give me a tip, like hey,
like good luck.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
So I did that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And then I was a video assistant to this director
who was working on this documentary about a two thousand
and four Greek soccer team, and I was supposed to
be like doing the like subtitles or transcription. I don't
speak Greek, but I was like yeah, sure, definitely, yeah.
And I was seeing a guy at the time who
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was Greek, and I was like, yeah, you gotta help me,
help me, I gotta keep this relationship going.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, at least for another couple of weeks. So I
did that for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And then the last job that I had I worked
at the Brooklyn Academy of Music.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I did like telefunding you went to school in Chicago.
In Chicago.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, that was like a pivotal moment for me where
I was like, Okay, I'm taking this seriously. I was
taking this summer class that was like a pre wreck
that I needed to go into junior year. I was
taking the class. I got this backstage notification for this
role where they were like looking for racially ambiguous male
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eighteen to twenty two between five eight and six', one
like open to all gender expressions in sexuality or something
like that open casting Call New.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
York city like This. Friday.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Wow AND i was, Like i've never seen something that
has like so DIRECTLY i can do.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
This.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah and THEN i went up to my professor AND
i was, Like, hey would it be possible IF i
could like make up the final some other time and
she was, like, no you have to be here for.
This and it was, like what IF i told you
my grandfather.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Died, YEAH y used the. Grandfather you can use that
once because all of mine were. Dead SO i was,
like it already, happened and, yeah it. Was it was
not an untruthed.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Exactly and then she just stared at me and did
not find that charming or funny, now and THEN i was, like,
YEAH i Think i'm just going to go to. This
so THEN i got into a megabus and then, yeah
he just went.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Forward. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah it was this pilot AT hbo THAT i think
it Was steve McQueen who's working. On SO i was, like,
WELL i have to watch the. Work so THEN i
was Watching shame on mega bus And Michael fastbender's stick
was just like flopping around on my laptop screen on
a megabus.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Had New york and this is WHAT i. Remember this
is my great. Start that is.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Hilarious, yeah the back state remember the backstate of the.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Paper did they have That?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
CHICAGO i never got the, paper but they would do
like break, down break. Down, yeah this Is i'm talking
about an early. Age it was you get.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Them it was like kind of a newspaper, thing kind
of like a hollow report variety whatever, newsprint you know
WHAT i. Mean and you'd go through with your sharp
and you'd circle you know this and this LIKE i
want to do this order this, edition this is this,
time and then you set the time and make me
call thing back Then, no, no, no, NO i don't
think there was ANY i don't think you could do
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anything like.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
That you had to go in you set up like
a super eight or. Something.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Eight we did an eight meal meter and then you
had to crank it yourself to make it, go you.
Know and so did you get back and make the final?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Up but did? It? No, no you never ended up
feeling that. Class.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Wow and then that's WHEN i was, LIKE i Think
i'm going to drop out of. School and then all
of my friends were LIKE i was nineteen at the, time,
maybe and my friends were, like, so what are you
going to?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Do AND i was, like that's actually such a good
question THAT i.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
REALIZED i was, LIKE i might as well just stay
in school because, yeah like what? Else and THEN i
just stopped taking like my curriculum AND i just started
taking classes THAT, i, like you wanted to do In.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Chicago, yeah that's that's a really good. Approach.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
YEAH i went to. SCHOOL i had to TAKE i
had to make up some classes as. Well, YEAH i
have some math.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Classes really were you?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
NOT i was well in high school is LIKE i
stopped At. TRIGG i was, like this is this is
it for? Me all my friends that's still FAR i
mean that's pretty. Good, yeah BUT i didn't had no.
Idea they went on to calculus AND i was, like,
no thank. You why was it so difficult for me
to like look at these symbols and these expressions and
GO i have no.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
IDEA i have no concept of what these are relating.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
To, yeah the whole ethos behind math was just it
didn't sit right with.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Me mm.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
HMM i was, LIKE i don't like that there's only
one answer BECAUSE i feel, like honestly it depends like
maybe there's not only one. Answer there's the only one
answer we know right. Now and my son are in.
Alignment we do share a voice a voiceover. Experience SO
(20:04):
i did The dad And Inside out one and. Two
you in strange, world AND i want to hear about
what it was like BECAUSE i had a very specific
experience doing doing my thing and what was it? Like
what was the environment like when you went into work
and had you done which over work? Before was that
the FIRST i had done some voiceover. Work the first
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THAT i did is WHEN i wrote On Big. Mouth
WHEN i was, There jordan was, Like Jordan peele was
doing The Get Out press tour and he would be,
gone so much that they would have me Do Duke
ellington's scratch BECAUSE i did like a pretty Good Duke
jordan Doing duke and they ended up just using it
(20:53):
for one of the. Episodes they were, like how did it?
Go can you give me a little or has it
been so IF i IF i heard it, AGAIN i COULD.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I can do. It but impersonations are.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Hard they are they, are especially when you're doing an
impersonation of someone doing an. Impersonation but BUT i think
and it WAS i think it Was Dana carvey said.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
THIS i don't.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Know he, said the best way to learn how to
do like he did The George bush, Right so the
best way it was to listen to somebody else do
a version of it and then follow. That, yeah as
opposed to taking it directly from the, source WHICH i
think is actually a good. Idea SO i wass messed
around With Christopher. WALKIN i don't, Know i'm, here well,
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there and it's a very extreme version and everyone has
their own, version but you, know you find it from somebody. Else,
yeah do you feel you feel the same OR i
could see.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That WHAT i like to do IS i like to
like WHEN i do a D, R i love doing.
IT i love it. Too i'm obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
It LIKE i think of it like a little game
of like how close CAN i get to.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
The audio on the?
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Day, yeah, Yeah AND i just love really listening to
like the details in someone's.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Voice, yeah, voices they carry so. Much, yeah let's say
so much about.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Us but With Strange, worlds the process basically WAS i
went to the recording studio soundtracks and at the, time
they didn't even really.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Have, picture, Right, yeah there's no.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Picture they would just describe, like so you are going
to jump on a red blood, cell so make a
noise that you would make if you were jumping on
a red blood. Cell AND i would be, like, so
what's the vibe of the blood, Cell like what's the?
Texture and they'd be, like it's, bouncy and then you
would like have to come up with a bouncy.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yell or something like.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
YEAH i also was doing it totally in. ISOLATION i
didn't even know who else was in. It that was
my other, question was, there did you have somebody with
you the same? THING i didn't have.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
ANYONE i.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Had Diane Lane dine played the mom the first session
of the first of the first, film and so we
were in the same room, together which was really nice
and sort of. Helpful but you're, also you, know you're
not looking at them, Necessarily you're you're you, know you're
looking ahead and you're kind, of as you, said kind.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Of imagining whatever they've explained to.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
YOU i love voice for. Work it's it's, LIKE i don't,
know it's one of the things THAT i look forward. To, actually, Same,
yeah that's very. Cool, YEAH i love when it's. SILLY
i Love. Yeah i've done some before where they're like
we want you to just do like ten characters or
we just need like ten different characters like in various different.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Scenes that's always. FUN i love. That, yeah what was that?
Forward was that first? Specific it was for This netflix
show Called Battle.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Kitty, okay it was like they just brought me in
and we're, like this is what this guy looks.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Like what would he sound?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
LIKE i love, That like, improv which is based on you,
know and just go with the first thing that comes to.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Mind, yeah it make a sense of you just.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
About talking about that experience math a little, bit the.
Woodworking you, know the. Process you like the, process and
you like to sort of dig down into the specifics of.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
It.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, YEAH i have to like control myself sometimes because
like Sometimes i'll engage with something LIKE i don't have
like the time to get obsessed with that right, Now
LIKE i can't even touch that. Yet i'll come back to,
it come back to. It, yeahyah is there a current
thing right?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
NOW i mean woodworking obviously is something that you're continuing,
with which is?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Woodworking.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Definitely i've been like looking At it's tricky because with,
classes it's, LIKE i, mean with this, job you just
have to like randomly leave. Sometimes So i've been trying
to find something that might work around. That And i'm,
like who wants to be my a briendor.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
A?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
PRENUR i don't. Know CAN i be someone's? Apprentice?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
YES i need a, Tutor LIKE i need someone to, like, really, hey.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Could you you want to do some woodwork in This?
Thursday are you? Around? Yeah you want to Learn greek? Philosophy?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah woodworking, yea WHICH i kind of need them to Resurrect.
MICHAELANGELO i appreciate that so. Much i'm very much like.
That it's like AND i have things like on a
list in my. Brain it's LIKE i need to learn
about THIS i WANT i want to Study.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Italian that's what's going.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
On my, wife on your, hand she's like she is
able to like do ten minutes on like a lot
of different. Things so she sort of does like, slow
very slow progression because she's does it every, day but
all these different, things AND i have a real hard, time,
yeah BECAUSE i ONCE i got onto, SOMETHING i just
want to go all in, yes AND i don't want
to be.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
DISTRACTED i want to just be on this.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
One, thing, yes and experience that to the fullest, yeah
and then be Like, OKAY i got, ENOUGH i got my.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Phone. Yeah we did a Movie Trash, Mountain, YES i With.
Caleb it was really.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Fun and what was really surreal about it is that
we were shooting like WHERE i went to high. School,
yeah like in the town that was like right next
to WHERE i went to high, School.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Harvey it Was, Homewood home Of.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
ILLINOIS i went to high school In Chicago heights And
homewood Is like.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That was totally.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Random, yeah they were like shooting the suburbs Of chicago For,
missouri and it was so so. Real there were even
some things with the character that were like grappling with
being in a place where you might not feel like
totally welcome or comfortable or like something like.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
That AND i was, like, well, yeah, YEAH i don't
have to do. Much yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Cool but it was really. Funny it was great to work.
With and, YEAH i haven't seen anything, yet But i'm really.
Excited did you write on it or was It? Ca,
Yeah caleb wrote it along With ruby and, YEAH i
was kind of just brought on and it was so much.
Fun it really felt like like WHEN i was in
COLLEGE i really got into like the whole mumblecore MOVEMENT
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i was so obsessed. WITH i was like these people
were just sitting around making, movies like they just wropped
up the camera and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah let's
have some dramatic. Conversations and it kind of felt like
within that lineage of like you, know Early, greta Like Joe,
swanberg like that Whole.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah and it was it was really. Fun that's.
AWESOME i can't. Wait it'll be really.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Cool BUT i, mean you have written so you wrote
though chief you got to show.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
So that Was she really wanted like a spectacle for
her live. Show, yeah and she, okay, yeah she hit
me up to like basically she gave me the track
list and was, like we want to build like an
overarching narrative for the live.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Show that it is so.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Interesting it's like usually you have you do a film
and then you bring it to the musician if you're
going to and you do the. Opposite, yeah and you
had the music and you're, Like, okay we're gonna put
a show to.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This, yeah how was? That how did you approach? That it?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
WAS i MEAN i did a little bit of writing
and THEN i flew out TO la and got to
sit in on some rehearsals and like kind of make
it work more with like the choreography and working with
like the creative.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Director AND i mean watching her work was.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Insane she is like from the school Of, beyonce like
where she's doing everything to like the nth degree and
it's going to be drilled down until it's perfect and
she's like not cutting any, corners like really dedicated and
so game, too like really fun to collaborate. With knows
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exactly what she, wants which is so. Helpful AND i
was really happy with how it turned. Out it was
like it was.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Epic that's.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Cool, Yeah like she was LIKE i wanted to feel
Like Bob. FOSSE i want it to feel Like. BROADWAY
i wanted To she really wanted to make it, theatrical
like stage, perform stage or something like. That, yeah we're
going to game that we designed for. You, okay, yeah
but that's a deranged. Segment most of our segments are.
Deranged but that's part of the. Fun it's called what
are we even? Posting, okay we're gonna take a. Break
(29:09):
we're gonna get dressed up and we'll let it. Rip, okay,
great all, Right so we are now wearing cool, shirts
verified goat, shirts and we are about to jump into
what are we even?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Posting game? Segment, Okay i'm gonna give. You i'm gonna
give you an institution or a character as well as
a social, platform and you will have ten seconds or
more to come up with a post as if you
are impersonating. Them, yes you famously have impersonated other elements On.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Twitter. Okay the first one up Is shrek posting on
Next door.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Gently used sling for Sale aqua four that the lip, stuff, Right?
Okay leaving A yelp review aquafor would be leaving A
yelp review For chippendale's and they would say call, us.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Thank, you thank. You this one's.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Fun scotch. Tape, okay writing an apology post On instagram,
story we are sorry for the Anti scottish language in
our brand. Title we are rebranding as An italian.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
TAPE i love.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
It SpongeBob in his notes app Feed Gary squidward recital
Texts patrick about.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Boundaries this is A SpongeBob. Fan you are A SpongeBob.
FAN i love. THAT i love. Him he's like the
Modern Paul. Bunion he's. Real he's.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Real he doesn't have an OX. Mta okay messaging someone On,
yeah is it?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Ryah. Yeah these are from my after my time to
L O. L we're saving. These by the, way we're
going to frame. These.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Okay United States Postal service posting On. LinkedIn, OKAY usps
posting On.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
LinkedIn hiring self starting team players with at least five
years of eye rolling, experience.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Personal experience in that one first, wonderful but it's so.
FUN i want to ask, you, so what's? Happening so
you recently said in The northwest.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Are you are you? Touring?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Now what's happening right? NOW i still have a few dates.
Left more, movie more movie that we want to we
want with More The Love. Hypothesis, okay that is rom
com that comes out this. Fall, okay that's a really fun.
One uh It's, Lille Ryan hart And Tom bateman. Starting,
okay and then look out For Trash. Mountain, okay then
(31:57):
kind of just look out for. Me i'm on the,
Subway i'm Around New.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
York you should a. Concert you should be working all the. Time,
yeah oh my, god yeah yeah all the. TIME i
said about, us let's be working all the.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Time, well you guys are.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Working.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Now we've got to do, yeah we. Do we have
important things to. Do have you ever have you cut yourself?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yet have you? Done?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, yeah but only, once like a little thumb. Cut,
okay AND i felt like really like, okay, nice, yeah
LIKE I i'm ushered in yeah. Yeah but it was
with the, chisel, yes, yeah so it just like nicked.
Me but WHEN i do like the table saw, Stuff
i'm so so, careful LIKE i, Know i'm the same.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Way i'm the same.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Way it's like really step, step make sure it's, good you,
know walk through IF i try to do Table SO
i was WHEN i was like seventeen or eighteen years.
Old it's just, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
No we had a shop. CLASS i remember. Now we
would actually Poor we would heat he had a. Crucible
we would heat the metal liquid, liquid and then we
made sand, casts, right and we would pour this liquid
metal into the sand. Casts the students would do. This
this is in junior high.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
School they let, you guys do they let us do
every running around school naked yep metal three thousand degrees
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