What's the Hottest Celebrity Tea?

In this episode, Gandhi and Diamond talk to the Naughty Gossip, Rob Shuter about all things celebrity: Who are the worst clients? Where do you always snoop in someone's home? Which star needs the most help right now? We also learn which A-lister is on Diamond's permanent crap list, and the podcast gets invaded by 2 members of the Big Show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Sauce on the side.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's Gandhi here with Diamond. And I say this all
the time because I'm always excited for the guests that
we have come in. We have a guy named Rob
Shooter coming in today. Rob Shooter you may have heard
on The Big Show, The Naughty Gossip. He used to
be in pr and he has all the tea on
all the people, and I know Diamond probably has a
million things that she wants to ask him. But he's

(00:28):
just a good time. He even just him telling a
regular story about his day walking here whatever. He's highly entertaining.
So I'm very excited to have him in here today.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What are you chompa at the bit about here?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well? I follow him on substack number one. I don't
understand the Megan Mark will hate. But I can't tell
if he like is telling a story from a friend perspective,
or if he's trying to shit on her. Okay, you
know so, But also I don't understand why people don't
like her like I, you know. And then also he
just knows so many people, well I want to know,
you know, he does who he likes, who.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
He doesn't like, he's pretty open about that stuff too. Yes,
he tries lightly every now and then, but if you
really get him going, he's like, and by the way,
so and so fucking sucks. I love it because I
want to hear those things, like when you hear it
from an everyday person that maybe ran into Jennifer Lopez
one time. And I have no doubt we're going to
talk about jay Lo a lot. You can't necessarily go

(01:24):
on their experience as to like who she is as
a person. You can go on their experience as far
as what she was to them at that moment. Sure,
so if she was a bitch to them, I believe
that that doesn't make her a bitch overall. But Rob
worked for these people, with these people. He's attended award shows, Gallas,
like all the stuff with incredibly popular celebrities, so he
knows them, knows them, and I can't wait to get

(01:45):
some of this info. I hope that you are ready
to be a part of it for this. Yeah, let's
talk about that for the second. So some of our
most popular episodes are when it's just you, Me and
Andrew and Josh. If he wants to come in here,
we've talked about this a million times, but you don't
really like I mean, I guess you'll do that. You
do those episodes of me, and you don't care about

(02:06):
that so much, but you never want to be on
the air, on the show, on the big show. Why.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I think that people don't realize that there's a lot
of pressure when it comes to the big show. Really yeah,
I feel like there's a lot of pressure period with
certain things, like I'm nervous. I can talk to you.
I can talk to you because I'm comfortable with you. Okay,
we chat whatever. Honestly, I don't remember half of the
things that I say. So when people are like, oh

(02:34):
I loved what you said or I love you on
Gandhi's podcast, I'm like, oh god, what did I say?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Like I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
People say all the time, more diamond, we want more diamond.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
God, it makes me nervous.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Things just come out of my mouth, right, And so like,
I think that when it comes to the big show,
if I say something I probably shouldn't say, I feel
like I'm gonna get in trouble for it.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I probably won't Who.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Would get you? Who would come for you?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Ah? Actually, it's like our question, no our vet manager.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
No, I think people maybe the people. And it's easy
to say that you don't care about what people have
to say about you, but sometimes, like I think my
biggest thing is like saying something that I don't mean,
like unintentionally hurting people's feelings or something.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, yeah, true.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
We should get to this with Rob too. I think people,
I understand what you're saying. As someone who is shit
on often, I really don't care that much anymore. I mean,
every now and then there might be like I might
be having a bad day and you're like, ah, shit,
that was mean. Why did you have to send me that?
But I don't seek it out. I read the comments
on my page, and I think I've done a pretty
good job so far, like filtering out all of the

(03:40):
people who I am not interested in hearing from anymore.
But it is like, it is what it is. Right,
you have an opinion about something, You're never gonna make
anybody happy. You're never gonna make everybody happy. I should say,
hopefully make somebody happy. But as long as you're happy,
you're not hurting anybody who cares. People misspeak all the time,
people fuck things up all the time. Whatever, Hm, shit happens,

(04:01):
but I understand stepping into the arena. I remember, it's
a little wild. Yeah, I mean even I will tell
you this, and I think I've said this before. So
I started as an intern when I was in radio.
I was still in college, and then they hired me
full time. I was still in college. But I think
because I was so young the audience and because it

(04:21):
was a Midwest and they had started my journey with
me and followed along, they were super supportive and it
was like everything I did they clapped and they were nice,
and it was like, yay, oh my gosh, good job,
you're growing up. So when I moved to Boston, because
they recruited me hard to move to Boston, I just
expected that that's how everyone was gonna treat me. And
fun fact no, So that was actually my first venture

(04:46):
into like the rings of hell. It was so bad.
They were like whole pages. I mean, I guess this
still exists, but there was like Facebook pages about how
I've ruined everything on my first day. What I hadn't
even had a chance to like talk and get things going.
Give me a year and then tell me that I
ruined it all. Fine, but day one, no, it was
so mean, and then I was like, okay, well I'm prepared,

(05:06):
Like now I know, I'm bracing myself.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And then I came here thinking it'll probably be like
the same in the beginning as Boston. But this show
is so much bigger and had such a big pull
and reach that I was not prepared for the tsunami
of mean shit that started coming my way and then
didn't stop. Well, I didn't change myself. I would drown
in that. So you just I don't care about it.

(05:32):
I know it's easy to say, it's not necessarily easy
to do, but I think there are four more people
who are rooting for you and who love you, and
who are more diamonding it all the time. So I
think you undersell yourself. And I think you're really good
at what you do.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Oh I think I would love.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
To have more of you here and on the show. Well,
thank you that you're not going to do it.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Maybe this is the year. What yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Maybe let's make it happen.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Let's get it popping.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know, Elvis loves talking to you.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Scares me though, Why he's just a different type of person.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
What are you scared of? Elvis, it's not the way.
At some point, guarantee he pops in here. Because he's
here today, wandering around somewhere. He's gonna come in.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, keep me on my toes. Why don't you. I
don't know. I just I'm like, oh god, what, I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It's something about him that I'm just it makes me
uneasy when Mike's are around.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
If we're just chilling, fine, I'll say whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
But like, oh see, I would say, of all the
dudes that I've worked with, he's the easiest one to
play back and forth with. Oh god, the easiest. I mean,
like he just he rolls with it. He's really witty
and funny.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
He is and there.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I mean, I think that there have been a lot
of instances that I've been in where a lot of
it happens here all the time. I'll say something that
I think is hilarious and there's like no reaction whatsoever.
He reacts most of the time, even if it's silent
and he's like flipping me the bird. He does. He's
paying attention to like what's going on. So he is
pretty easy to interact with. You just gotta interact, Oh okay, Yeah,

(07:06):
So One of the things about radio is open ended
answers or long answers. I should say open ended questions.
So like, if I ask you a question, the response
should never be yes or no. Fine, it should be
a yes and or a no because we're learning.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, yes, we're gonna do it is I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I mean that's better. You know what you said. This
is gonna be the year. We have a whole year
to work on it. Okay, But until then, I say,
we welcome Rob Shooter. So I am here with Rob Shooter,
who is one of our favorite guests that we have
on The Big Show all the time, the Naughty Gossip.
Should we play his theme song.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Advice or Shooter? See Rob?

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay? So, Rob, every time you come in and you
talk to us for maybe twenty minutes, I have a
billion more questions about what is going on in the
world of celebrity and specifically with like you as a
human being, how your life as a publicist for celebrities started,
some of the juiciest things that you've seen and done,
and just in general, like what is your life like?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's why you have this podcast? See because the what
do you call it? The Big Show? I like that.
So the Big Show, it's brilliant, But that Big Show
is a machine and it has to move at a
certain pace and there's technical stuff that I didn't realize
until I got my own TV show. You have to
throw the commercial break, you have to pay the bills,
and so that Big Show, even though it sounds like

(08:36):
it is all spur of the moment, a lot of
it is sort of mapped out. That's the genius I
think of Elvis and the team is that you have
to sort of like put this jigsaw puzzle together or
playe together the while you're flying it, and you can
do both at once. But that's what I love now
about your podcasts and people's podcasts. You can take those
little nuggets, which are delicious. I'm not criticizing the Big Show.

(08:57):
I'm a huge fan of it. I've been doing it
for decades. But you can take those little pieces of
conversation and you can expand them, and that's what you
do better than anybody else.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I love you, and I want to expand on so much.
I know Diamond has some questions because she subscribes to
your substack, which, by the way, if people want to
do that, Rob how can they do that?

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yes, so sub sex this amazing platform that I didn't
really know much about it. So people are no longer
going to websites. Nobody goes to people dot com or
a stock that. People are not going to websites anymore.
What's happening is and I love this. We have to
come to you. Yeah, so my website Lazier every day
exactly knocking on your door. I think it's six months

(09:34):
for people now want information in newsletters, and you've got
to change with the times. Ten years ago I was
waking up every morning and watching the Today Show. I
love it. My habits have changed now, and so I
think we get our news in a different way. And
the smartest business people I know have changed with the times.
And I think part of my success in this business

(09:54):
is I've constantly reinvented myself. Not necessarily the content of
the work. It's always been, you see, naughty but nice gossip,
but the way I deliver it is something that I
think about a lot. So about a year ago, a
friend of mine is telling me about substack and this
is the new thing, and I played with a little bit.
And whenever you start something, you're not going to be
good at it. So that's why a lot of people

(10:15):
don't start, because they're frightened of being criticized. I don't care.
So I started it and I was awful, but after
about six months I got really good at it. And
now my substack is on fire. And so each day,
if you sign up for it, get a substack Rob
Shooter and type in my name and you just put
in your email address, and then throughout the day, every

(10:36):
time a really big story breaks, two three times a day,
you get a really short email. And at first I
was like, gosh, am I overloading people? And the answer
is yes, I was. It was Elvis who said, you
are blowing up my own box. He said four a
day unless like something tragic happens, and he gave me
a very tragic story that I won't repeat. So four
times a day, I picked the biggest story, four times

(10:56):
a day, and I give you some insight, I give
you some exclusive information, and people are eating it up.
I feel like I always felt a little bit in
the shadow of pres Hilton. He got there first. He
really owned the blog, he owned that world. I thought,
I know, I'm a bete, which I wouldn't do. I
knew as a better columnist. I knew I was a better,

(11:18):
better writer. I knew I had better sources, but he
got there first, and I tipped my hat to him.
I have so much respect that he did it. But
I was always a little bit in his shadow. He
was my Britney and I was Jessica Simpson like I
just I wasn't quite the star Stack. For the first
time ever, I feel like the star. I'm really killing it.

(11:40):
So if you if you want gossip, if you love
a celebrity gossip, and you don't want to get to
websites anymore, then then sign up and you literally get
a substack and then it will say sign up, and
you type in rob Shooter and it brings you to
my page. And then you put your email address in
said s h u t e R rob R A
B s h u t e R. If you want
a short go or a B s h u t

(12:01):
e R dot substack dot com. All right, I'll take
it right there. Put your email addressing and it's really
simple too. I think this is a real lovely thing
about substack. You know, sometimes when you sign up for something,
you can't subscribe unless you go down a rabbit hole
up and lad down. It gives you ten steps and
then I'll still get your emails this If you get

(12:22):
bored of me, and you won't, you just hit one
little unsubscribe and I'm gone.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are you selling our information to a third part?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'm not. Yeah, no, not yet. But it is lovely
to see you build something. You're doing it with this podcast.
We've been both of us. We've been parts of massive organizations,
so big brands, which I'm so lucky at as being
part of it, and they're great. But it's also lovely
to have your own little piece of the pie. It is.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's nice to do something creatively that is just you
and it's just what you want to do. Nobody's forcing you,
nobody's telling you what you can and can't say. You're
not really taking off clients. We don't have any. It's great.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
How long before this show hit its strung?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
This podcast?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah? When we like this is the show, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
That it has yet rights, we're working on it. We
So what's really interesting is I love having guests on
because I say this all the time. There are things
I want to do with this podcast. I want people
to learn something and get information from this right in
some capacity. And that's why I like having guests, because
I feel like we can learn something from every guest
who comes in. You can learn something from everybody every day.
But our most popular episodes, once people love the most,

(13:27):
are when it's just Diamond and Me shooting the ship
talking about nothing with Diamonds terrible.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I get the same on my show. On my podcast
Naughty but Nice, I used to have a celebrity guest
maybe two or three times a week, normally a housewife,
someone related always to a Kardashian, somebody that was involved
in the world of royals. And what I figured out
very quickly is they necessary didn't necessarily want want guests.

(13:54):
They wanted me. Your listeners want you. Well, that's it's
so flattering.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It is very flattering, it's super nice, and it's just
a fun thing to do. It's a creative outlet. I
was a producer my whole life until I came here,
and now I've been here for long enough that maybe
I should have shaken it a little bit. But it's
really tough for me to just sit in the seat
and only talk and not do all the other things around.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Don't shake it. Honestly, if you've got a skill out there,
whatever you're doing right now, you did something before this,
and if you enjoyed it, you can bring it all together.
For a long time, when I was a publicist, I
didn't really like being a publicist. I didn't really want
to do that job. I wanted to say something myself.
It was very difficult to walk red carpets and not speak.
I wanted to be talking and that didn't necessarily want

(14:38):
to be famous. But I had a voice, and so
that's why I made a pivot. However, all the skills
I learned as a publicist I now use and that
has really helped. So don't ever think like because you
were something, it doesn't it doesn't affect you anymore. It
actually makes you who you are.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Right, That's my foundation. And I actually think and Diamond
could probably attest to this in one way or another.
I think it drives people around here nuts because everybody
has this one position that they do, this one thing
that they do all the time. But from where I came,
I did all of those jobs. So it kind of
turns into a situation every now and then where I'm like,
don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
I know how this works, I'll do it myself. And

(15:16):
then you know that's not really how.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
People want to I started as a receptionist in my
first job in America. I answered the telephones at this
big PR company BNC, Bragman I mcafarelli. One of the
biggest would be Goldberg, Cameron, dis Kate Hudson. They had
superstar clients and big corporate clients too. And it's back
in the day when we didn't have cell phones, and
so you had to phone the main number to get
your publicist. And so every celebrity, every client would come

(15:40):
through my switchboard, would come through the reception And I
learned everything doing that job. And if somebody had said
to me, like Rob on your resume, it's a good
resume now, and there's some pretty impressive stuff on there,
the one where I learned everything was the reception desk.
I'm so glad that I wasn't one of those privileged
kids that got to miss that beat of life, because
some people go into companies and your dad's famous at

(16:01):
your mum's reach and you go straight into hot I
started at the bottom of the ladder and I'm really
grateful about that, because saying the skills you learn, you
don't get so much.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
You learn about people, You learn how to interact with people.
You see the ship that rolls downhill, And how when
somebody at the top just you know, is feeling whimsical
one day and they just don't want to do the
thing that they said they were going to do, how
that impacts every other person down the road. So like,
I try really hard not to do that. Even though
I did cancel a guest recently because everyone was saying

(16:32):
how much I was going to love this woman and
it was going to be wonderful and I need to
watch this show. And then I watched the show and
I was appalled, and I was like, I don't I
don't even want.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
That, But is that lovely on this show? You to
get to make that decision on the big show. If
a whole celebrity turns up, we were not going to
name them. We're not going to get in trouble here
at iHeart, but we all know who you are. You've
still got to do it here. You don't have to.
It's your shirt.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
You're right, And by the way, you're not gonna get
in trouble for any things you say on this part,
you are safe. We call this the immunity room. Oh,
because at some point I'm gonna want you to name names.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
I'm pretty I'm pretty open.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Okay, So first up, Diamond has a question about what
she's constantly seeing in your sub stack. Someone to let
her ask it.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Go Diamond, Hello, what is the.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Real issue with Megan Mark?

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Why?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
And I want to say, does she deserve it? But
according to your substack, sometimes you make me feel like
she does. I don't know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Missing Meghan, Like everybody is really complicated. And when you
tell a story about a friend or a celebrity, it's
easy to do black or white. It's easy to do
one or a hundred. That's not true of anybody. We
all have our good days, we all have ha bad days.
Meghan has this ability to just make terrible decisions, business decisions.
I think she's made a really good romantic decision and

(17:52):
she's got the life partner that she loves. But if
there's a way to mess something up, they'll do it.
And I think part of it is what makes Meghan
a superstar, what makes her so interesting, what makes Harry
a superstar and so interesting is the one thing they're
trying to run away from, which is that they were
part of the royal family. So if you don't want

(18:13):
to talk about that, Harry, Meghan, then you're going to
go away. You've got to find something else to talk about.
And they've not been able to figure that out. I
say to friends all the time, if you don't want
to do this anymore, then what are you going to
do instead? If you pull a weed out of your garden,
unless you stick another plant into that hole, that weed's
going to grow back. So Harry and Meghan have become

(18:35):
famous through now talking about the royals, and it's such
a contradiction because if you spoke to Meghan or Harry,
they'd I don't want to talk about that, want my privacy,
don't But then they talk about it. Meghan gave us
all a lecture about social media and the dangers of it,
and I think she's actually probably right in a lot
of it. And then we see her children pop up
on her Instagram accounts, and it's always when she wants

(18:56):
to sell us something. So I wish they put better
people around them. Harry, I understand why when you when
you grow up entitled. When you grow up in a palace,
you have the best team in the world, but you
don't know that because you've never not had them. You
lose a good hairdresser and then you realize how good
they are. You don't know how good your nail salon

(19:17):
is until he or her quits. And that's what happened
with Harry. He just thought he could turn up and
whatever he touched would turn to gold, because that's what
happened his whole life. Without the infrastructure of the palace,
that's very, very difficult. So I have her love hate
with Meghan. I've met her several times. She's charming, she's funny,

(19:37):
she's witty, she's pushy, But so are a lot of
men like you know, so I don't want to fall
into that trap of just beating up Meghan. But even
me and the Ally, I'm like, oh, girl, did you
have like did you have of all the decisions? Like
the jam magnet? It was runny badly many you couldn't

(20:01):
order it. And then I bought my mom for Christmas
and Megan Candle it turned up and it didn't have
a wick in it.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Oh my god, I don't love Megan together. And when
you mess with people's money. It's fine if I'm just
giggling at you as a real housewife, but when I'm
buying your products, And the Kardashians know this better than anybody.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Their products are good. Karlie Jenner is a billionaire because
they're good. Jessica Simpson's billionaire because there's slutty shoes she
sells are fabulous, like the p So I just want Megan, like,
make it about the work. Do the work? Does that
answer sort of?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I mean, yeah, But then I want to know why
what's going on with the publicists?

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Like why have they? I read the other day that
they it's.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Like the twelfth the twelfth run. Yeah, And then but.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Then they're also like they try to tell the publicists
what to do. So that's why the public what is happening.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
It's very difficult to run a big business like markle Ink,
like Sussex Inc. Without learning that craft and not Harry.
But Meghan went from zero to one hundred on the
day she got married, and suddenly she was operating in
a capacity where she was in above her head, and

(21:18):
rather than listen and learn and figure out how to
do that, she turned away that advice and a lot
of people quit. But we were talking about this earlier
in the show. It's got to be a progression. I'm
good at what I do now because I was a
receptionist twenty years ago. Meghan I feel bad for because
she went from here to there. She went from just

(21:41):
being on a hit show. I raised my hat, tipped
my hat to her, but she went to having a
billion people watch her wedding. She went from that to
being on the cover of magazines. She wasn't prepared. A
good example of this is I used to work for
Ashley Simpson. Ashley's first ever live performance on television should
have been New York One. Should have been a local fair.

(22:01):
It should have been like just Taylor Swift learned her craft.
She was in Nashville, nobody was there. She played bar,
she played nightclubs. She learned how to be Taylor's I
used to work for Alicia Keys. Alicia Keys played every
crappy piano bar in the world. She played, but she learned,
she learned, She learned her craft. Megan Ashley Simpson didn't.

(22:22):
Her first TV appearance was SNL and we know you
were working and we know what happened. She should never
have done that show, and I was the one I said, no,
she should not. She shouldn't have done that show with Megan.
You can't say she shouldn't do it because she's such
a star now she's going to be just thrust into it.
But she's so ill prepared and she hasn't picked the

(22:43):
right people or she's not listening to the right people.
It's a skill everybody. If you hire, if you hire
an expert and then you design your own house, when
it falls down, you can't blame the architect, like you
know some people. I know what I don't know, and
I think that's a skill. Learn it. I don't know
how you learn it though, When when you're when you're

(23:03):
when you've got the spotlight on you.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So, if given the opportunity, would you be her publicist?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
No, because I forget No, I'll get fired and lets
me no, I'm being kind here, and let's be honest.
There's clearly something that's difficult about them to work for.
We have friends, you know people, If you're on your
fifth assistant, if you're on your fifth publicist, if you're
on your fifth of our team, you're probably a mess.
And so like you are difficult, and so I get it.
They are difficult. They don't really know what they want.

(23:29):
And the reason they don't know what they want is
because they don't know who they are. My first book,
The Forward Answer, it really told people, if you want
to be successful, know who you are in forwards or less.
Who are you? I'm funny, I'm naughty, I'm nice, I'm gay.
Like pick your words. And if I said to Megan,
who are you? In four words? Shore and have a clue,

(23:50):
look in the mirror tonight, like everybody listening, look in
the mirror when you clean your teeth, and say who
am I in four words? And then write them down
on a poster and stick them on your mirror. And
then every opportunity that comes through your life, if he
doesn't match three of the four words.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Pass WHOA. That is really good advice. I have another question, please,
I want you to ask all the questions.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I really were you working for Alicia Keys when she
decided to ruin that man's marriage?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Because this is something and the reason why. Okay, I
know a lot of homeworkers. I know a lot of
people who have ended up falling in love with people
who were in complicated relationships, let's put it like that,
or relationships that were ending. None of them have so
publicly try to portray themself as a woman empowerment leader.

(24:53):
Remember she was like helping women in Africa while stealing
somebody's husband. And then when it came that this was happening,
she was quiet. And then Swiss Beat's ex wife, who
now they're all besties.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I love that for them.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
But when Mashanda decided that she couldn't take it anymore
and she decided to go on at on Twitter, Alicia
was quiet, and I'm like, you're a woman who wants
to empower women. What's going on now? So for that,
she's never been forgiven. I feel like her voice has
even taken a hit because of it.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
She is.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
She grinds my gears.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I can hear it, I can hear it. But for it,
I think it's because it touches you, because it's something
that could potentially happen in your own life. That the
best stories, the biggest stories I break are divorces or weddings,
are births of funerals, which is the same in your
regular life. If a friend has a baby, you want
to see the pictures. If a friend gets married, you're

(25:52):
really excited. I always get a spike in traffic when
these really human stories come about, and that there's something
about betraying that touches all of us because we've all
been betrayed, and we've always we've all got a friend
that has been betrayed. I broke the Hugh j Ackman
story dating Sutton Foster, and it was a really tough
story to me because I know dead but the wife
a little bit and they've been together thirty years. And

(26:13):
I get it. We're allowed to fall in and out
of love with people, but don't be messy.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Now.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
You don't have to be cruel, like you can't divorce happens.
I'm not Pollyanna, I'm not naive. I get it couples
fall apart, but I hate the messiness. Ariana Grande with
Ethan Slater. That time line is very fuzzy. Brad and
Angelina insist that they didn't get together until after Jen,
but that's a very fuzzy timeline. So these celebrities who

(26:40):
think that we don't have a calendar or a Google
search are so crazy. We see what you're up to.
You're allowed to fall in love. You're allowed to fall
out of love, but don't be sloppy or cruel about it.
And there was a cruelness I think to Julia Roberts,
her husband was married, he was a camera man on
Julia's movie, and she and like, how can you compete

(27:01):
with Julia Roberts. If my husband made a movie with
Julia Robbers, I'd lose him to and he's gay. It's
just it's like, it's unfairness to it. I think you're right, though,
I think Alisha didn't handle this well. She didn't get
in front of it, and ultimately too. We talk about publicists,
we talk about managers like they have a magic wand
if you do something shitty, if you do something bad,

(27:24):
you did it like, thank you, you did it.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay. So from a publicist perspective, because I say this
all the time, I understand people are going to suck up.
It happened, happens, we all do it. I don't understand
when pr people sweep in to try and make it
look like something that it wasn't. What is the problem
behind being like, yeah, fucked up, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
The troubles been really briefely honest. Here is I can't
charge you ten thousand dollars a month for that advice.
You might. It's a business and you have to follow
the money. And often we see businesses that thrive in
drama and crisis. Pr only exists if there's a crisis.
They don't create the crisis. But sometimes I question the
advice they're giving. My advice always to my clients, and

(28:07):
the agencies I worked with probably were annoyed with me
because I was like, own it, right. You wouldn't put
me on retain if I said, if I've got to
be on retainer for a year, I'm not doing a
really good job. Own it. You messed up, you did
something bad. But it's the same in my life and
your life. We all do bad things. Like I try
not to judge myself on my worst day, but we've
all had horrible days. I own it, and I say sorry.

(28:30):
Sorry is so important. I know in this political climate
were taught not to say sorry. I don't buy that
in the long run, if you do something and you didn't,
you didn't mean it, and you know it was bad
and we all know the truth, say sorry, own it.
I own my mistakes, and I wish more celebrities. I
wish more friends, I wish more colleagues. I wish they

(28:52):
owned it. They don't. It's that's that Elton John song
I love. Sorry is the hardest word. It's really hard
for some people to say sorry. Don't be one of
those people.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I don't think I would ever be one of those people.
I think my publicist will probably hate me because I
would just, like we were just talking about, I think
I would just be the person that'd be like, shit,
yeah I.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Did do that kind of that. I know. I know
I can spin myself. I'm good at like, oh, well,
they deserved it. On line said.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
They deserved that.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I didn't want to do that as forced into this decision. No,
you weren't. You made your choice, and leader, if you're listening, glolo,
if you're listening, you made your choice. And we all know.
The thing is, though, I think I might be wrong here.
Had Alisha said sorry, had Alisha admitted that she broke
the girl code, you you might still listen to her

(29:44):
music today. There's a chance you might have forgiven her.
But because she didn't, you're done and there's no going
back now. And so learn that in life, we're not
all Alicia Key is, but we all make mistakes. Say sorry.
I'm the king of sorry. I sometimes they say sorry
when I just see people walking up something terrible, like
I know, like because of what I do for a living.

(30:04):
If I'm not in a restaurant and I see a
high sife, I'm like, oh, this could get me the
way they could throw a drink at me, like I
don't know what I've said, I don't remember what I've said,
but they're coming towards me. I'm sorry, sorry, selling And
then they.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Just want to give you a hug and tell you
they love your subset, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's funny though, with Alicia Keys. Every time something even
slightly bad happens her, like her voice hits a wrong note.
Diamonds like, because she stole.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
It made you mad?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Mad, it upset me.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Has somebody hurt you like that, has somebody chease done you?
Someone stole you on your partner.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Not on that level, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I just feel like.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
When you do something like she made me feel, my
anger switched from Swiss beats to her. And I don't
think that you should ever let a man or whoever
that person is, who left the relationship make.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
You look like the man Yang because there is fifty fifty.
But the fact that you literally.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Preached woman empowerment before a lot of people were you weren't.
She was like the face of woman wearing makeup that
was a lie was.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Lighted. I think you hate it on something so so important.
Here it's the phoniness of it. And that's what hurt
about Ellen. We all knew in the business that Ellen
was not a pleasant person. Ellen's a very difficult person.
And there's a lot of very difficult celebrities out there,
Andy Cohen, there's a lot really do gold people, but
nobody pushed kindness more than Ellen, And don't do it

(31:42):
like be authentic, be the best version of yourself, but
be yourself. If you're a bit moody, you should be
a moody celebrity. If you're funny, you should be a
funny celebrity. If you're critical, you should be the villain.
Like you play your role, you play your role. And
so that's what I think annoyed you the most about Elisha,

(32:03):
And what annoyed me about Ellen is I just hate
Phone's like that there's a place in this world goodness
knows when you see on reality shows. Er Morosa made
a lot of money being the villain on The Apprentice,
and she was really good at it because it was true.
I have no time now for celebrities that pretend to
be something they're not.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It's kind of tough though, because everybody says like, oh,
you have to build a brand, and with a brand
comes a personality type, right, and then we expect that
personality type from that person all the time because that's
a brand, when in reality they are human. So is
there a chance you know this obviously far better than me.
Is there a chance that Ellen did do a lot
of kind things, but when it came to her professional

(32:42):
show and getting stuff done, she was a tyrant about
doing it or her to do the nice things.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Yes, she would argue, Yes, she would say, I gave
a lot of money to charity, but.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I think that doesn't make you a kind person.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
The nice thing is what you do to people every day,
like that's who you are. It's the small gestures. If
I write a check to a charity doesn't make me
a nice guy. It makes me a guy that gave
a great check to a charity. Kindness exactly. Say that again,
that was really smart.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Generosity and kindness are very different saying.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Read that should be the title of your book. I
could sell that.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Or would we give it away for free?

Speaker 4 (33:11):
No no, no, no, diamond about twenty percent fronts to
get it. It's a small decision to make every single
day that make you who you are. It's not those big,
glamorous moments. And celebrities are people that they're regular people
and it's the decisions they make every single day.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
So she was just a big old bitch.

Speaker 4 (33:30):
She was not a very nice person.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Who do you think in the celebrity world right now
needs pr more than anyone else.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
I think Bethany Frankle just needs to be like, just
shut up. I love that Andy Cohen is now calling her, look,
it's al mister rad I love that Andy Cone is
now refusing to neighbor and he calls her Margarita, lady.
I love it. Who is Elms? Now we're going to

(33:57):
get some ratings, thank god? Here here and we're talking
all about my favorite subject me. Oh my god, do
you want to ask a question? What do you want
to know? I've never been into the sauce of the
side studio.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Oh it looks so different.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I've never been in the studio before. I love thank you.
I know you don't read you on stack. I'm really
good at substack subject. It's taking off Elvis. I've become
our saying to earlier on the show that I was
never the number one, it was always Pereer, so it
was somebody else subsac I'm number one, I'm the king.
Can you deserve it? I'm thank you for the queen
of subject, but I'll take it. But I love reading.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
I love how you have sources.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Hey, let's talk about sources inside.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
The Golden Gloves. I had people in the room, but
I've been a couple of times, and so it's a
very interesting awards show. And the reason it is so
good is that they don't really allow managers or publicy.
It's a small room. So the Oscars, everybody gets a ticket. Here,
you don't get a ticket, and you have to show
your ticket. The year I went as with Jennifer Lopez
and she couldn't find a ticket and they were not

(34:56):
going to let her in and she found it in
a purse. She wouldn't have got in there. Really, once
you're in that room, they seal the doors and it
is just the booze fest. There is booze everywhere, nobody
eats and this you're smoking, isn't that? He was told
three times? This up smoking, Sean Penn, Sean Pin. You
could see the cup on the table. It was filled
with like ye old stove. So it wasn't like one cigarette.

(35:19):
It was like he had about six or seven cigarettes.
Now what bugged me about this? They have a smoking
area at the hotel, not normally, but they set it
up for the Golden Glibes. So if he'd walked away
from his table, you walk past the bar and then
they have a patio, and outside patio everyone's out there smoking.
He couldn't be bothered to work walk a hundred feet.
I don't like it. Okay, bye, good stay starting R ratings.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
You're not You're going to be a guest one day.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Don't kiss me. You've got a cold, Alvis what you
want in on?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I asked him who needs pre the most right now?

Speaker 4 (35:51):
And he said, Bethany Frankl Bethany Frankle. Yeah, you know
I love Bethany. Can you fix that? We know we're
okay with each other. Hello, luck, he's got card again.
Nate walked in. Nate wasn't so hot for a minute,
and then he bounced back. What do you mean there
was a second when you let yourself go a little bit,
like physically, I got a little.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Fluffy, taking a lot of turn so fat mate.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well he wasn't fat, mate, but he was like, softly, softly,
you look great. He had a touch of the Leonardo
DiCaprio's like a little little chobby.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
A little fluffy, little fluff.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
But now he's back.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Please get the hell out of here, godul. I ask
everyone to take their STLF before the podcast star terrible
crazy stuff.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
But I would guess they're the crossover from the big
show to this is really good, so they will know
these characters pop.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Absolutely, yeah, they know who these people are. So Bethany Frankel.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Once again, Bethany hasn't figured out after Housewives who she is.
That's that's it's that's simply I don't want to keep
beating the same point. But who are you Bethany? In
four words? And I think one of the words is
still a housewife or a reality star. Her greatest success
was on that show, and since then she's had a
lot of lot of failures. She's done a talk show,
she's done Skating with the Stars, She's done all these
other projects and none of them really works that well.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
She had her own version of The.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Apprentice, that's right, and that fligs and so like Bethley,
you know, your skill is being a reality star. She's
a great reality star player. Nobody plays that game better
than her. But it's like when Madonna doesn't want to
sing anymore and wants to act. No, do do what
you're good at, don't. I don't want to say I
want to see her. No, no Madonna, no dancing, sing

(37:34):
true blue, sing like a virgin. And Bey should up
talking about this one margarita that you made like it
doesn't make you, Jeff Bezos. You made a margarita, and
to be honest, girl, they ain't. They're nice because it
has no sugar in it. If you have a margarita,
you want the Have you ever had a skinny girl margarita?

Speaker 3 (37:51):
I have? Oh?

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I like it though, Oh you like her? That's why
you like it? Oh the chemicals in it. Whole Food's
dropped it because it didn't meet their standards, the chemical,
the chemicals, but it's still well, that's why your skinny
it flushes through you libel allegedly allegedly a legends. I
think Bethanie needs some help, and I think it because

(38:14):
she hasn't figured out who she is and firing off
twelve tiktoks a day, It's just overwhelmed me, like I
would have to block her, Like it's just like every
and she's always so outraged. God forbid, she should do
a TikTok oh I saw a lovely doggie on the street. No,
everything is four outrage exhausting. So I think Bethanie needs

(38:34):
a little bit of help. And I think Reality Star
US in general, this is going to be a tricky
year because their shows are not what they were. And
I know you love Your Housewives turned a little bit,
it's not it's.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I find myself going back, Like as a season is airing,
I'm still going back to the old season good laugh,
Like everybody is trying to recreate what they watched and
it's just it's not working.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Like once the magic's gone, you can't put it back
into that bottle. And I feel like all the new
people who are signing up, A couple of people I
know are auditioning right now to be on the New
New York Housewives that they're recasting the New York one,
and they're all trying to be the new Bethany or
the new and I was like, be you. That's the
only chance she got in life. And honestly, this isn't

(39:22):
just for reality to this is for everybody listening. Once
I realized that the only shot I had of success
was being me, then yeah, yourself, like, stop trying to
be a second rate somebody else. Be you. And so
when you go on these shows, now there's a prototype,
there's a there's a there's a formula to fill out. No,

(39:42):
go on and be you. Don't try and go on
and try to be Bethany because it won't work.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
So how do you feel about the news that Nini
is coming?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
There?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Can't wait. I care about and I love her history
with that which is a miracle. She's coming back. And
had Bethany not upset Andy even more, Nini wouldn't be back.
Because once somebody goes to nuclear hates, you forget everybody
else is awful. And so Nini was really on his
shit list and told Bethany tried to burn that Bravo

(40:10):
And so now all these people that he didn't like
now were like Oh, they're not so bad, so.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Real quickly on that what did they both do to Andy?
I don't know this.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Struggle being accus him. I think of drugs, of cocaine,
of being a sloppy boss, Bethany, racism and racism she
said yes, she said and so, and then Bethany tried
to burn down Brava. She tried to get lawyers involved,
and she wanted to be victuals. She said it was
like an exploitive environment, and she threatened stuff on tiktop
that she never followed through, but the threat was enough.

(40:39):
And it's like, wouldn't you bite the hand that feeds you?
You don't go back. I'm careful too. We see a
lot of stuff in the places we work. But if
you go nuculear, you do it, like if you're got
to go down that road, there will be consequences. It's
interesting because a really senior person at Bravo said to me,
what makes Bethany such great reality TV also makes her
just a terrible person, Like it's just what is fabulous?

(41:03):
What is fabulous on television? It's just so dumb annoying
at dinner, like can you imagine? Like it's lovely to
watch these other people's messiness. But don't you know what
it in your life?

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Like?

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Don't be careful, which has why you're allowing. I've allowed
a few into my life and they've all bit me
because that's because they are rewarded for bad behavior. If
you reward people for bad behavior, then they'll keep being bad.
Who's naughty to me? I remember whence I went out
with Ramona Singer and I really fancy hotel the Mark,

(41:36):
and we're having dinner and she pulled out of her
here's bag a bottle of her own wine and asked
them to serve that.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yes, were and it was a screwed up so we
didn't need to talk.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
It was awful. Try to get a dollar out of
Sunny Morgan, like she'll take you for dinner, but you'll pay,
but you won't like not a dollar, not a dollar.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
We found out she didn't have it.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
She doesn't have it, but she has that big townhouse.
She used to do a screening party for the show
every Thursday. Had a house and I used to be
one of the gates. You don't have gays there. I
invited a girlfriend Sonya said no, no, girl's alive. Just Sonya.
She's that insecure Sonia couldn't allow another woman in the room. Yeah,
and the person invited forgive me was not necessarily the

(42:25):
most attractive person, like such, no no women Sonya in
that tirnhouse. And nothing worked when the battery. Yes, you
couldn't thrush the low like, don't pe Sonia, You're not
going to thrush the log And I remember once I
like turned a tap and it came off in my hand.
And then the other big thing that I love doing

(42:45):
that is when you go to celebrity house is ozepic
has to be not frozen, that has to be refrigerated.
So looking at celebrities fridge because that's they can't hide
you the bed, Like if it's cocaine or heroin, they
can hide that under the coffee table. The ozimpic has
to be the fridge. So you look at the fridge

(43:05):
and make an excuse, I'm just gonna get a few
cups of mice. I get some mice. I'm gonna go
and get a little sowd of my drinks too strong
in that fridge and look all over it. I love
you for that.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
So you have had some very famous clients like you
just named j Lo.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
We know that I love O God.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
I said he was good to you.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
I know that's a really tough thing, is that? Gosh?
He was charming and now I understand why he got
away with it for twenty years. He was psychopathically charming.
He was kind to me, he was funny, he was witty,
he was generous, and he was a sociopath.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, all those things. Were you shocked when you heard
these allegations are coming out, because I have no doubt
you heard before the rest of us heard.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Yeah, I was, but I was so naive. It was
twenty years ago. As a baby publicist. He was one
of the first big celebrity. Yea, when of the first celebrities.
You know, Cassie wasn't on the scene then, it was
way back. It was, it was kim Porter, it was Jalo,
he was it was even before then. It was right
in the beginning. And I'm never shocked at how power
and fame changes people. I've never shocked, had drugs had boos,

(44:23):
how entitlement changes people? And did he become the king?
When I worked with him, he was on his way up.
He hasn't, He hadn't yet become the superstar, the billionaire
he was not. Yeah, it's like he was three names
in like it definitely. I don't quite remember what name
I left on, but it was definitely a couple of
names in. But it wasn't what it was now. And

(44:44):
so I think you see people change. I saw it
in just the few years I was with him. He
he changed, and then he got entitled, and then he
got psychotic. And now he's in jail. I'm glad he's there.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Is there anything going on with that right now?

Speaker 4 (44:57):
He's going to have a big comeback tour, Like I know,
it's amazing that this might make him. When I was
with Diddy, he's Achilles heel. And what he didn't like
is that he really wasn't street. He was a guy
from a kind of a middle class upbringing. He was
well educated, and so he was always intimidated by the

(45:18):
rappers out there who were more authentic. And to be honest,
the rap community thought did he was a bit of
a pussy. They thought he was all just make believe,
he was all hype. Now he gone to jail, he
now can say he the real I think did he
will be planning a comeback, I'm told already there's talk
about a show at the Garden. He will come out.

(45:40):
He has got hours and hours of video when he
worked with did He. There is just footage his camera
crews with you, clearly, clearly, clear, with you constantly. So
I think there's a place for him now. And it's
a shame of American culture, but he'll end up on
Rava with the bad behavior is rewarded in America. It
really is, like it really is when you think of

(46:01):
some of the people at.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
There, like our president really did people get.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Away with stuff? And so I think there's a future
for did Hey. I know, and there's people out there
that I went down to the courthouse during the trial.
I've never I hadn't seen this passion for him in
twenty years.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
And find that bizarre.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
But I think it wasn't about him. It was about
a person of color beating the system or being tied
up in a system. And I understand that narrative, and
it's there's a lot of truth to that narrative. He
was the wrong messenger, but but there is like hear
I was like all a lot of him, but I
was like, the story is a great story, really dead
that we don't need him, but we don't need him.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And he's good, but the characters that are not so.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Great, right, So I think Denny's gonna have come back.
Jessica Simpson's trying to come back, but I think that
that ship has sailed, you know, is it okay? It's
just that level of thing, you know, God bless Jennifer
j Lo. She'll never stop. I just I saw her
at the Golden Globes in that dress, and I just
I love her. I just she is our fall on
drag queen. And she would say to herself, it is

(47:04):
ruble is She's just the year that I went with
her to the Golden Globe she looked as ridiculous in
the fabulous way. She's like Jessica Rabbit. She looked like
just so. And she got out the car and I
did chuckle. I was like, oh gosh, and we brought
down the carpet and everybody went nuts except the other
celebrities who didn't really like her. Oh and they were
all a bit mean to her. And Jennifer's spoken about this.

(47:25):
She's like, they don't really like me. They look down
their nose in the same way that the movie stars
look down their nose at TV stars, and TV stars
look down their nose at reality stars, they sort of
look down their nose a little bit at jay Loo.
And what I learned from Jennifer, and it's such a
good lesson, is screw them. I'm Jayla. She doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Why do they look down on her?

Speaker 4 (47:42):
I think I think that she's so theatrical, She's so confident.
She makes them feel very vulnerable in her sexuality, like
the boobs and the hips, and you know before before
Kim people, Kim Kardashian people were not doing this. Julia
Robins did not do that. Meryl Street Plane doing that,
like Jennifer turns up as a full on theatrical production,

(48:04):
and I think that bugs them. I also think too
there's questions about her talent versus her success, and her
success is so large, and I think these actors that
went to Julia hard and went to training in classical
environments and probably there's a bit of jealousy there. There's
a bit of jealousy.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I can see that. I mean, I think that she
is very much a testament to hard work WORRD. She
looks amazing every day.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Christmas Day, like she's beautiful to begin with, assuming, but
she I went to the gym with her once. What
a mistake. After twenty minutes on that rowing machine, I
was ready for Margaritea.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Despite the fact that she puts in the work talent wise,
I could see why some people.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Be modest talent like her talent is being Jennifer Like.
What she's done is she's created a character of Jlo
that is far more interesting than any character she'll ever
play on a film, and so that bugs them, and
that's why.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
It was a banger.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
I loved it, and that's why it's difficult to like
to really go and see a JLO movie and believe
you're watching anybody but Jaylo. Like the movies that work
best for Jennifer made in Manhattans when you see when
you see Jennifer in the character like because then then
then it makes sense. But it's like it's like Madonna,
and Madonna's way more interesting than any character she's ever

(49:21):
going to play, and so it's hard to look past them.
So I get it. I get why Jennifer annoys them,
and I love that she's in another joke. Like Jennifer said,
a lot of those Hollywood people take themselves so seriously.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
We've had her in here a few times. She takes
her soul seriously. At least when she was in here,
she took herself very seriously.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
I like work seriously. But yeah, they've all come through here,
they've all come.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, they really have. I haven't been here for a
lot of it, but I love picking your brain about
your favorites. So, Jennifer Lope has one of your great.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Spade changed my life. I was Kate Spade's publicist. Makes
you rest in peace and just quality and smart and decent,
and she'ld say thank you notes. And she taught me
how you can get your own way by being nice
and being kind and being decent is part of life.
And so I learned a lot from from her. I
really enjoyed Tyra Banks The World End of Tire. Oh

(50:12):
there's a lot of choss. Oh she's a whacker dottle.
I love her. I loved her. I really liked Jessica Simpson.
Like Jessica made me giggle. Jessica was so generous. If
you went for dinner with Jessica, she was not a
real housewive. She paid for the whole restaurant, but she
was so generous and then after work if we were

(50:35):
out at NAWD show and she'd give me her driver
to take me home afterwards, like she was that girl.
She was like she was really grateful about the money
and the success. And when she got divorced from Nick
and she had to write a massive check, she was
like cool, She's like, I'll make it back. But she
was not that money or yeah, she certainly did. She
was really really cool. I loved working with John bon Jovi.

(50:56):
I love the big hair, and I liked all that,
like all the hands and ladies. I loved John Clear.
I had a concert once don't know where. We got
off a plane and you land in a city and
you don't really know where you are, and you went
to the venue and I saw out the corner of
my eye just two minutes before the show started, and
I'm in the pit with the photographers because I my

(51:17):
whole job. I was paid a fortune to work for
about six minutes. Because the moment John's hair flopped, I
had to get the photographers out of the pit. So
wander dead, Aura like get about and it was glare
at me about his body's got all the body's got
lightly hair. It gets a little humid, he had to

(51:37):
kick the photographers up, and so that I used to
stand in the pit and I could see out the
corner of my eye this woman with enormous boobs walking
towards me, and she had a slippery when wet t
shirt on, and she would have had sex with me
to get to John like it was the first time
as a gay guy that I've ever experienced that sort
of that that devotion, that that star passion yessosis that

(51:59):
I did know what a group he was like, you
don't meet a group you with Tyra Banks put with
Sharp on show. They were really sexually charged.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
And he seemed like he enjoyed that part of if you, oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
This is so nought. I shouldn't tell the story, but
I will. On the stage, they had little pits on
the stage, and you couldn't buy a ticket for the pit.
You had to be given a wristband by normally a
security guard and they called it forgive me you might
have to bleep me here. They call it the pussy pit.
And so they would find very attractive girls to put

(52:37):
in the pit, so that as the show went on,
if John got a little bored or Richie. They could
look down and see these beautiful women. Half of them
were like very scantily dressed and security with given that
John had upset me on the plane, and so I
got two pussy Pit bands and I found the most
unlikely candidates physically to be a bit. I had to

(53:02):
around the find two girls in the corner with their
glasses and I said, ladies, have I got a surprise
for you. I've got two tickets to the pussy Pit
and I put them in there and Jod was singing
a ballad and he almost gasped, Wow, if you two

(53:23):
ladies are listening, you're gorgeous. Like you're gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm sure they're listening, as Alicia.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Like, it's so weird now now that I don't work
with these people, they know me. I was in their
lives like we're text with email. I've bumped into a
few of them at parties, and it's so interesting because
some of them pretend they don't know me. I know.
It's almost like, well the staff, it's free down to abbey.
I've seen too.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Much behind the curtain. Also is a little embarrassing for them.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
I'm careful what to saying, not because I'm trying to
be evasive, but I think you can tell stories with
a bit of love. Like it's a love letter to celebrity,
my life, my calor, my substack. It's a love letter
to celebrities. And I think it's in the title I'm
naughty but nice. I'm a nice guy and I like
a pinch. But I don't like a punch. You can't punch,
but you can pinch. You're a picture. You're a good picture.

(54:13):
You're a good picture. I like a pinch like my
friends for drigs. Honestly, if you're listening to love alone,
my nicest friends are a bit dull. My awful friends
are wildly entertaining in the middle. If you could be
naughty but nice, then you've won.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
So you're winning. And I love the celebrities that you loved.
And I will end here because I know everybody has
to go, but celebrities who are menaces and real life
that you are. Like absolutely, if I saw someone I
knew dating this person, I would break that up.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Oh such a good one. I mean, I think I've
already given it away with Bethany. Bethany is just a bad, bad,
bad human being. I worked for Lara Spencer and Good
Morning America, and that was not pleasant. Lara's a tough,
tough devil. That was not a fun experience.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I love the the glamour of it, but being Naomi
Campbell's publicist wasn't easy either. That was allegedly that was
a lot. That was a lot. That was a lot
of drama that that I don't think I want to
be part of, you know. And I've seen people be
really rude. I've seen Ariana Grandy be really nasty. I've
seen it, like it didn't happen to me, but I've
been at events where I've seen her people be really

(55:23):
nasty for no reason. It's all at the security. Martha
makes me laugh there because she's just so nasty. It's
just it's just so like Martha. Hello, I like Martha
makes me laugh. Who else?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
You know?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
He's a friend of the show, so let me tread carefully.
But Jimmy Fallon's got an edge.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Really, that's that's that's not surprising because I've heard it.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
But I want to be friends with the Andy Cohen
that I watch for thirty minutes every night at eleven
o'clock on That isn't the Andy Cone you meet.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
What about the Andy?

Speaker 4 (55:59):
I think it's fun and cheeky and sassy. Andy on
camera is who you want to know?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Is he wore that guy?

Speaker 4 (56:04):
You know, he's quite quite mean. There's a meanness to him.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
You know.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I'm working on this new story on sub Stack that
Sarah Jessica wasn't so kind to people on Sex and
the City, and Kim Catrell has told that story, and
now Chris Nof looks like he's going to tell it too,
that Sarah wasn't the kindest. And so you know, you
can look around your office wherever you work today. You
know the good ones, you know the bad ones, and
you know people have good and bad days. You do

(56:30):
know the stinkers. You do know the stinkers. And at
the top of it for me are the ones. It's
probably reality stars who are just nasty without any credentials.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
How it goes though it is it is insecurity, as
you know.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
And I don't think give you because you're really talented.
I'm not going to say because you're Barbara Streyis and
you can be really awful because you're the best singer
in the world who are allowed to be awful. I
don't want to go down that road. But I often
find the ones with the least are the ones that
are the nastiest.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Same, I feel the same word.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Which is why we are lovely, because we've got.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
So much, so much everything at our fingertips. All right,
you were a book coming out.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I do thank you for this pre ordering. Now, so
have a book coming out. It started with a whisper.
This is my very first novel. It's based on I
had my own TV show, a morning show on VH one,
and it's four gossip columnists, four entertainment experts, insiders who've
got a morning show, and this book is based on that.
So four of us in the entertainment world we get
a morning show on a really dodgy cable network that's

(57:31):
struggling VICH one, and and we we pay, we pay
our bills telling stories about celebrities. Very quickly there in
the book, it becomes very clear that the real secrets,
the real stories, are about us. I'm gonna get this
book available from Amazon, comes out in the spring. If

(57:51):
you get it today, it helps me just with like
algorithms and pre numbers, pre pre sales. But it's available
now for pre sale. It started with the whisper at
Amazon dot com.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Okay, amazing. And last thing, do you have a blind
item for us?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (58:04):
A good blind item too, I have. I don't know.
I should ask me before so I could come with
one I have. Oh which chef did I see recently?
And whole foods bending over in the vegetable section and
not wearing any underwear. It's a male. Oh no, I
could see. I could see right down in his jeans, a.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Chef right down his jees. Does it rhyme with Robbie.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
You've got a very good imagination. Bobby wear some underwear Bobby.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
People want to find you online on substack.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Go to substack. That's all I care about. All the
other stuff is nonsense.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I don't care about.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
It's very nice, but that substack is like my priority.
I'm loving it. So if you want it, and you
don't have to be a member of substack, it's not
like this private little community. Go to substack dot com.
Type in rob shoes so it's that easy. My name
will pop up. It's a big old picture of me.
You can't miss it. Type in your email address and
then that's it. You'll get. You'll get a newsletter three

(59:06):
four times a day with all the breaking news. It
takes less than two minutes to read. It's not on
these big, long, rambling New York Times emails. It's really sure.
You can read it literally while you're in the elevator,
and then you get all your news.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Perfect. Thank you for coming back, and I have to
have you come back again.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
I'll come back when the book sad.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I love it. Okay, Diamond, did you get the info
that you wanted?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (59:37):
And yes?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Okay, what did you not get enough info on?

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Was he actually working with Alicia Keys when she when
she ruined that, but he didn't. He didn't answer that,
which is kind of smart for him, right because I'll
never tell you. I want to hear more about Bethany Frankel.
You know she started a new app for what a
dating app?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
But is she dating?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, she's back out there. I don't know her billionaire
producer boyfriend. They broke up. Remember that was a big deal.
That was probably like two years ago. Now she's been
reeling from it. I don't care what anyone says.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Okay whatever. Breaking up with a billionaire myself, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Know, and he seemed like cool for her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
You know. But she started this new dating app and
she claims that she has like a small society of
people that she's tested it on and they all love it.
But people are saying that it's horrible. So I'm like,
what's different about it that it's like a closed society.
And also, I guess they do some type of vetting
process to make sure you're serious, like elite dating. Yes,

(01:00:44):
I don't know all that, all the details. Yeah, but
she tried to make it seem like the vetting is
so intense that like you will find someone because everyone
is serious about finding somebody. I don't think that that's
the way that you sell something because there's always going
to be someone who slips between the cracks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And also terrifies me. Yeah, I like, I like, you
know me, I like to play it my ear easy breezy,
fly by the seat of my pants. Someone comes out
and be like, I'm here for it, let's go. I
would have a heart.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Attack, but yeah, there are way more women who want that, apparently.
I know that scares me too, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
So I have a friend who is like, he's going
through a divorce right now, and he's fucking miserable and
also weird. I don't know what's happening with him, but
he's being goofy about a lot of stuff, and he
is just so hell bent on how a relationship is
supposed to be and that is it. And I'm like,
I gotta say, maybe you being so rigid about things

(01:01:35):
is kind of what the problem is, Like, just be easy, dog,
ease up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Well, I don't know, we've seen never mind, go ahead.
I was gonna use Scottie as an example. It's working
out for him. He's very he's very serious about specific
things in a relationship, and he continues to find it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So I have so many questions because I don't think
he hides it. No, So people are just accepting of.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That absolutely, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
And you don't even know if you're listening, you don't
even know. It's so dark and deep. And I'll say,
till the day I died, the fact that anyone thought
we were having an affair, which he really plays into haha, No,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
That that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
It's not. It's rude.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
It's still funny to me. I'm sorry it was me,
but the fact that it's not me makes it funny.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
When I first got the call, I was laughing because
I was like, this is hilarious, Like, what on the planet?

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
What this is?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
For real?

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I'm offended? Now I'm offended. Cool, that's fine. Meanwhile, my
boyfriend's like, has anything ever gone on?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
It would have gotten blocked. He would have gotten blocked
for that. Of all people, Scottie, That's what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I said, and I have no doubt that he was
somewhere saying the exact same thing. Of all people, this bitch,
no one is meaner to me than her?

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
But alas, apparently that made for chemistry so great. On
that note, we'll have to have Rob back him for sure, please,
so that you can ask him a gazillion more questions.
He dropped something off the air that I don't even
think we can repeat. Can we repeat the reason somebody
doesn't go to an award show because of somebody else?

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Probably not, But I think that soon we'll be able
to get back into it, because there are little things
like kind of sparking.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Easter eggs, yeah, hints, clues whatever. Okay, yeah, I'll just
say this, Oh this will be our blind item. Okay,
A very famous celebrity mom with a company apparently refuses
to go to award shows because someone else is at
these award shows who she hates, who might have a
sibling in a similar field.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Ooh, that's good. That's good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Not as good as Robbi shme I definieve. I can't
wait to talk to him about this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah, I need to create that is that's intense, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
On that note, if people want to find you, Diamond,
where they gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Find you at Diamond. Sincere on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And I am at Baby Hot Sauce Like follow, subscribe,
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Leave us a talk back and we're gonna get to them,
I promise. But until next time, stay bye Diamond Bye,