Who are You when Nobody’s Around?

Lock in, it’s a long one, but a great one. In this episode, Gandhi sits down for an in-depth discussion with Elvis Duran where they talk about EVERYTHING; keys to success, downfalls of that success, regrets, potential lawsuits, future plans, broken promises, and so much more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Sous on the side. What's up? It's Gandhi here with
my girl Diamond HEADO. Hi, Are we allowed to talk
about your secret?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yes? I guess say it?

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I started a podcast What Without Me? Which is fine,
but I'm really glad you did it. What is it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's called Ready Guess uncut with Diamond Get it a gym?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Hi. I immediately thought penis okay, Uncut with Diamond And
it is about.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
All the reality shows that I'm watching.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
So I'm not saying all of the reality shows ever
invented because I don't watch them all. So it'd be
crazy to say I need you to talk about this
because if I don't watch it, I'm not wasting my
time on it.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
But that's what you do to me every day. You
need to watch well.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
You do need to watch some of these things.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
The first episode is obviously about the Scamanda of it all,
the scandal with Summerhouse, Amanda Batula and Wilson and Kyle
Cook and Amanda Miller or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
We dig deep into it and Sierra you said Amanda Miller. Sorry,
Oh sorry, I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna edit it.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm pretty sure I have fucked up shit in the
actual podcast too.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So but yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for you. That's great.
Congratulations Diamond, move it all on up. But she's still
gonna be part of this podcast. Don't worry. She's not
going anywhere at all.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Are you no?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Are you sure? What if you become a superstar?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well then you know what the price goes up?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
God? Shut Okay, So today we have Alvis in the podcast.
We have been back and forth with him so many
times because I'm always like, yeah, come come do the podcast,
and he's like, I don't want to, and then one
day he was like, I want to, and that made
me very happy. So we're gonna sit and talk with
Elvis Duran today about everything, all kinds of stuff. We'll

(01:56):
see what we can get out of them. Diamond, are
you going to ask him any questions or are you
just gonna sit back and observe.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I think I want to observe.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I feel like you are the one that has so
many questions for him, But I do understand.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I think my questions are just dumb questions, no.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Such thing, But what are they?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I just want to know about his drug problem that
he had, maybe the exactly these things, like all of
these questions are answered in the book, or like things
that he just randomly says. I'm like, okay, cool, whatever.
I really would like to know why he's so funny,
but he doesn't know that. He just says shit, it's
fu hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
So you think he's funny on purpose or by accident
or by accident.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I think that his mind and like brain works so
fast that he it may be on purpose.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
But it just comes out of his fucking mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's like, there's no way you're actually thinking about these
things before you say it.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
So yeah, you'd be surprised how fast some people's brains work.
Not mine, but mom people.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm like, I think about a joke. I'm thinking about
a joke for tomorrow right now.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Whatever. Amazing? All right, So I think we should just
get to it because there's a chance that this could
take a while. Oh he's he's here, But is he here? Maybe?
Maybe My favorite guest will ever have TBD is Elvistorian to.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Be your favorite guest never, because you have so many
great guests on this podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Thanks, I appreciate it. I am excited to do this
because I have a lot of questions for you, and
I'm gonna see how long it takes you to try
and turn it around on me.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I'll turn it around here.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh, I'll do it.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Can we talk about this podcast set up? If you're
watching this podcast, Gandhi is sitting in my seat where
I sit my throne here in the studio and now
I'm sitting here at the end of the table, which
I've never I've never sat here before. It's it's weird
to be in this position.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
How does it feel We've put your gold mic down
there though, so it's still.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Hey baby, Yeah, uh no, it feels good. You know,
this is a new place. Maybe it gives me perspective,
so I will behave during your podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I don't think that's gonna happen. I've just very ambitious
of you. Okay, okay, So how does it feel being
in that chair versus over here? Is this weird for you?
It feels weird to me in.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Respect to being interviewed or.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Being interviewed and in your studio in a different seat.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
See, first of all, saw from the side your podcast.
Is it really truly an interview form or it's more
of a conversation?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, it's a conversation, but I do ask a lot
of questions because I'm nosy.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Well, you are in the hot seat. You control where
it's going, and if it goes someplace you don't like,
you can move it to another direction. That's that's what
I usually do today. That's all on you. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well, good, You just open it up. So when you're
interviewing guests and I want to talk to you about
the guests that you've interviewed, some of your favorite moments
and some of your least favorite moments, because I only
know what I know since i've been here. It's been
about seven and a half years at this point, which
is crazy. But when you sense a conversation going down
a dark path and we are live, how do you
reroute that? What do you mean dark path? You just said.

(05:01):
When you don't like the way a conversation's going.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
You just move it. You change the topic. You can
just you can turn on a time when you're sitting
in that seat and you're the pivot point of the
interview room, you can you can just say anything. You
could be talking about cadavers, bodies that have been mutilated,
they're dead, and you don't like that conversation. Hey, let's

(05:24):
talk about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for a minute,
and it makes people kind of double take and go,
that was odd. Yeah, but they pivot with you no
matter what how I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Isn't it kind of weird if somebody sitting there talking
about a cadaver they're saying, you know, it was really
sad and my mom passed away, and then you're suddenly like,
so peanut butter and jelly.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Doesn't because there's a way to close out every conversation.
I'm trying to learn, so please you know how to
do that.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I don't. I'm learning every day. This podcast has been
awesome because I feel like it has taught me a
lot about the art of conversation and how to interview people.
And our friend sent us that list of the seven
Deadly Sins of interviewing, and I think that they were
really interesting, and I do definitely do some of those
been trying to pay attention more.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
Oh my god, do you hear Daniel laughing?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Do you think the mic picked that up? Because that
microphone by you is so sensitive, could be Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, Daniel's laughing out there. What were we talking about
before the laughter? Oh? How to pivot? How to move
from point A to point B? And look kind of
gracious doing it. See the difference between what we do
on our show. We only have twenty five minute segments
or whatever. You have what an hour here?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
What do you do?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, I mean it could be an hour we've I
think the longest we ever sat here was a couple hours,
and that was two hours. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Well, so there's no rush to pivot here. No, unless
you just want to change the subject because you have
forty other things you want to get to before the
end of the podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Right, So I have forty things I want to get
to you with your you.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Should have talked about peanut butter and jelly already.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Nope. Wait, are you saying that this sucks? Damn it, Durian?

Speaker 5 (06:54):
If you need to move forward? If okay, if you're
listening to this or watching this trying to figure what
we're talking about, let me let me capture it and
you tell me if this is correct or not. When
in a conversation or interview with someone and you're you're
in charge of the interview, like now, for instance, and
you feel like you've you don't have any more milk

(07:14):
in that cow. It's time to move on, or it's
going down a road that you know isn't going to
be good and you want to manipulate move to something else.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Just do it.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
Just say all right, that was great, and thank you
for sharing that with us, Thanks for giving us your
your your opinion about that. I want to talk about
something different for you now, Okay with you? Now, I
like that and it's a positive move forward. Then you
raise the pitch of your voice a little bit. Okay,
that's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
So moving right along.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Look at Diamond over there.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Diamond takes notes during the whole podcast.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
If you've written so far, I'm dying to know what
you've written so far. You have to hit a microphone.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
You have to come over to the place where I
unplugged it last time.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Yeah, what are in your notes so far? I'm kind
of curious how this works.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Two notes were did you hear Danielle laughing outside? I
made sure to put a time stamp just in case
we got to cut that out, okay, And then I
couldn't keep up with everything you were saying in that
last sentence or statement, so I went wrote when in
a conversation. Dot dot dot slash, it's time to move
on dot dot dot.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Just do it. Okay, that's it.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Little notes, brilliant note taking.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Diamond is a great note taker when it comes to this.
I never look at them, but I've heard that she
does really amazing notes.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Hey, I must stop down everything right now, detour because
so I did Bobby Flay's podcast with him yesterday, and
he did a remarkable job in the podcast interviewing me
and just having a conversation. Even though he was interviewing me,
he really talked mostly about himself. It was great because
I kept turning it around on him. Okay, now I'm

(08:45):
watching you guys, you and and Diamond do this podcast,
and I realize you guys really know what you're doing.
Oh my god, marking time, marking times down on a
note in case we have to go back and edit that. Look,
this is probably the only second podcast I've ever been
in or I wasn't in control. I'm actually seeing a
real professional like sassy podcast underway.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I love this.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I'm learning from you.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
What happened to your podcast? The people want to.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Know, you know what. I just didn't like where it
was going. So I stopped doing it.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You just changed the conversation.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
My podcast was about trying to learn how to do
a podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, I thought you had some really cool guests. Though
I did I loved I mean, I got to sit
in with you with Neil de Grasse Tyson to you know,
bring this back to me. I thought that was awesome,
and you had some really cool people on there. You
just decided now.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
I want to reading back to the podcast. But I don't
want to have to be celebrities. I wanted to be
just people we find on the streets.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That we really like interesting.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
I mean, I need someone to direct me and produce
it because I'm just not that guy.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
I come in, I do the interview that I leave. Okay,
So I need to find a producer.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So, speaking of that, do you like being on people's podcasts?
Do you like the long form or would you prefer us?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
No?

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I love this, I tell you what. I was an
hour and a half deep maybe more with Bobby Flay
yesterday when we did his podcast, and it went by
lightning speed.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
This is completely different than the way we do the show.
That's what I like the most about it, I think
is that you can have these very long conversations with people,
and you can get into some very interesting territory and
walk away from it feeling like we're friends, even though
I know that if I ran into them in the
street again, they would never recognize me, which is always
kind of fun. But it is a totally different format
than the show, and it's a really good way to learn.

(10:23):
At least for me, it's been a really good way
to learn.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Sitting in that chair where you are now where I
sit during the show. It's totally different during that show
than during this podcast. I'll tell you what I'm seeing
different already is when I'm doing that, I have to
think about getting the conversation going, moving it on to
other things we have to cover, and then getting that
the interview done because we have to move on to

(10:46):
something else, and then play commercials and play a song,
and you have to really think about a lot here.
You really just have to think about what you're talking about,
where the conversation is going. You don't have to worry
about any of that other stuff. That's unusual for me
because I've been doing that for thirty or forty years.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Does it feel like you can Actrophy sitting in that
seat and just following the lead of someone else. Yeah,
that's how I feel. Okay, I'm glad that you brought
this up, because I've gotten a chance to do both
of these things. And I so prefer sitting in the
cohost seat and just being able to chime in and
laugh along. And really, when you bring something up, I
get to google it and look up what it is
that you're talking about so that I can actually contribute.

(11:25):
Whereas when you're sitting in this seat and you have
to be the quarterback, you have to pay attention to
what every single person is doing.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
Yeah, every time I have tried to google something in
mid interview, it fails. I can't focus, I'm typing the
wrong words, and it's just ef it. You know, you
can't do it. I wish I could do that every
once in a while. You won't notice this. I'll I'll
out of the side of my mouth when someone's answering
your question, I'll go, Nate, you need to google. You

(11:52):
need to google blah blah blah. You know, Okay, and
he'll turn his he'll turn his laptop around, let me
see it. But it's but even then, having a community
a moment of communication with someone else while someone else
is answering your question is dangerous because I'm not listening
to what they're saying for sure, and I'll go, I'm sorry,
what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I repeat that it sounded like a really good point.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
But in the art of interview you need to be
listening to what they're saying so you can form your
next question or you can determine where to move now,
So you got to pay attention when you're interviewing people.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
What do you think is the hardest part about hosting
this show every morning?

Speaker 5 (12:29):
My god, I don't even know how to answer that question.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Okay, as it relates to what, as it relates to anything.
So I think there's the actual technical side of things
what's most difficult there? And then I would also like
to know as far as sort of socially and the
way that the world is right now, what's the most
difficult part to you about navigating a morning show where
we love all serve all. I just did one of

(12:51):
the deadly sins. By the way, I asked you a
two prong question.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Okay, well, I'm thinking it all through. But they relate
with each other. Hmm. Have you ever been bowling with
the guards up on the lanes. If you don't know
how to ball and you don't want it to hit
a gutter and lose your ball, they put these guards up.
I feel like in an interview in this climate where

(13:15):
we're living in at the same time, I know where
the show needs to go and where its shouldn't go.
I have these guards to keep our ball from hitting
the gutters as well as I can do that, okay,
and that that can make my hair fall out, which
as you can see it is doing.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
What are the guards to you? What are some of
the bumpers well and the bumper bowling of our show.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
This was formed back the when a President Trump was
elected the first time. We then saw and it's no secret,
this is no surprise. We saw how the division in
our country was wide as wide could be, and we
found through gut and research that our show would be

(13:59):
safe for if we tried our best to keep it
down the middle and not having an extreme opinion to
the left or extreme opinion to the right. And so
even in doing that, you know, we still are accused
of being too far left, too far right. You should
but which made me feel pretty good about how we
controlled this room because no one could always no one

(14:23):
ever knew like what side I was on, because I
would be very liberal in some things I would say,
but some people thought I was on the right because
I would not support things that the left were saying,
and vice versa. So I'm like, Okay, I got them confused,
because I don't want I don't want my participation in
this show to go down either path, okay, because there

(14:44):
are other places people can go for content where they
will be strictly left, strictly right, but nothing in between.
Another reason I wanted the show to be in the
middle is because I know there are a lot of
people out there in this world who are a little
closer to the middle like I am, and so I thought, well, okay,

(15:06):
here's what this show can be safe for them to
listen to as well. So in keeping it controlled like that,
it takes a lot of work, and at the end
of the day you're exhausted. It would be easier for
me just to go on a rampage about something far
left from far right, you know what I'm saying. They'd
be easier for me to do, but I don't do it.

(15:27):
Why are you smirking?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
At me. I'm smiling. I'm smirking because I hate everything
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm interested in this because we've had these conversations, obviously
not in a microphone, but just about the tone of
the show and the direction and why we do things
the way that we do it. And I think a
lot of listeners because I did ask hey, send me
questions that you would want to know from Elvis, and
this was one of them, which is where do we
fall and why do we do it this way? Because
a lot of people think, if you love all, serve all,
and somebody is being hateful, why don't we speak out

(15:53):
against it, to which I say we do all the time.
And I think that for me bringing it back to me,
one of the most stressful things is people will send
a text message or a DM or whatever it is,
however they want to try and communicate with us, and
they will tell us all the things that we did
wrong and all the things we didn't talk about, as
if they have listened to the show for four hours

(16:14):
a day, every single day.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
We do talk about these things, and we.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Talk about the vast majority of the stuff that people
want to hear about. We have talked about it. What
we don't do is talk about it every five minutes
all the time. That doesn't happen. We don't repeat like that.
We just do our thing and move about our business.
But so many people are just angry right now. And
I do understand it. There's a lot going on, but
they want to attack someone and come at them for it.
And a lot of times that's you because you're in

(16:39):
the host seat here, and I wonder how that impacts you.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Well, losing hair. You know how I feel about politics,
You know how I fall with that. But you know,
the way I know this is maybe a stupid, lame
way of describing it. You know, if you want to
hear someone on micro or you want to watch someone
on a camera tell you about how they fall politically,

(17:06):
you can find that anywhere. But you're not going to
find it on the prices right. You're not going to
find it, you know what I'm saying. You're not going
to find it in like the weather guide doing the weather.
There's places to go for that, and this is not
that place you go to. We do have strong representation
when it comes to being positive, being good to people

(17:27):
who are slided in many many, many communities and in
whatever in the world. We do a great job with
some of that, but I'm not going to sit here
and have a whole show for four hours about left
politics or right politics.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's what we do on sauce on the side over
here in the right spot, now okay, well here I
say the left spot, now okay.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
But you know what, I would feel like I wasn't
doing a good job being far left or far right
if I stopped everyone in a while and played a game.
You know what I'm saying. Do you understand what I'm saying.
It's really it's really a tough little little wire wirewalking act,
is there wirewalking? Whi's that tight rope is a tightrope
I'm walking on. You know, I can't sit here and
just start blasting politicians, blasting the system, and they go, okay,

(18:15):
let's play a phone tap to me. That's like we can.
But that's that's kind of a fucked up way to
be hardcore representing anyone.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I totally see what you're saying with that, But
I also think that it sort of isn't that how
life is though, Like we'll be at a funeral in
the saddest place ever, because we just lost somebody and
someone will tell a story about them that makes everyone
laugh and sort of go down a different path of well,
you know what, that was really heavy and now we're
letting it up. I think this show does a good job.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
I think laughing at a funny story about a deceased
person at their funeral is it's of grape art of
that funeral. It makes sense a phone tap while talking
about Epstein and who's who hasn't been named in the
Epstein Files. I just that type of show doesn't make
sense to me. You know, you have so many different

(19:04):
places to go for content. Let each of these places
you have access to do their own thing really well.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So if you were to say, if somebody had no
idea what the show was, and they said, what am
I coming to you for? What kind of content is it?
What do you say?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I don't either. When people ask me, I'm like, it's
a show about what's happening in the world that day.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well, I know, but what's happening in your world versus
what's happening in my world are two different things.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So what is happening in our worlds cannot define it?
And hopefully we touch on what's happening in someone else's
world too. I don't know, it's it is tough. Do
you think that from the time you started? How long
have you been in this business? Now? I know we're
about to celebrate thirty years.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
I'm sixty one years old. I started when I was
fourteen or fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Holy crap. So this is all you know?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Radio?

Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, but keep in mind opinions on the radio, and
at least in the stations I worked for, weren't there
until about twelve years ago.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, But how has it changed in other ways? I mean,
I know that the text messages were not always there.
You didn't get to see live feedback all day long.
Technology has changed, the people around you have changed. What
do you think has changed the most since the time
that you started for the good and the Bad?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Well, I tell you a lot of things have changed,
but we have sort of on our show, have somewhat
remained the same, which bothers me sometimes. Okay, in many
different factors of we are actually using a template in
our programming on our show that's been around since the

(20:36):
nineteen fifties, where you play a song and then you
talk then you play four minutes of commercials, then you
play a song, then you talk and played four This
has been around since the nineteen fifties and looking at
the song selection, our particular format goes through. We have
seven songs that we call powers. They run as fasts

(21:00):
as possible. You get two to three an hour, which
meaning which means the hottest songs on the radio station
usually rotate at an hour and forty minutes apart. You'll
play it every one hour and forty minutes. Then you
have a subset of songs, the Bees they play a
little slower in rotation, then the Seas. That's the new music.
You'll play one of those an hour maybe two, and

(21:21):
then there's the old songs you mix in. We're still
using that same formula to choose music today, Am I wrong?
I mean those categories are still used.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Do you want to change that? Would you like this? Yes? Okay?

Speaker 5 (21:32):
What we try to do in our show, even though
we do have a masterclock around the country, all stations
play their own their own music. We also place some
of vira own music as well. We add it to it,
just to try to break it up a little bit. Yeah, No,
I think we should be doing free form music, which
we'd be playing what we want to hear at that
moment because we're in the mood to.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Hear that song. But we can stop.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Just like the topics we talk about, we can't plan
the day before for the topics for our show because
we wake up the next morning not in that mood.
We're not going to talk about that stuff. I'm in
a different mood today. We should be that way with
the music.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Our moods change. Breaks a break, we can all be
having a great time, something happens as a commercial break
and we're having an even better time or a worse time,
and there you go. If this board catches on fire,
which by the way, we are always making jokes about
the board in here, it really is a crappy board.
It really does catch on fire.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
It catches on fire. It hasn't smoked in.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
A while since I spilled that drink down the too, So.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
You were you're partly responsible for that.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think I was.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Wholly responsible for that, but who's to say so. One
of the questions, I thought this was a great one,
and I would love to know your opinion on this.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
So these are actual questions from oh people.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I have so many questions.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Where'd you put this out there? I didn't even see this.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
So you can post to ask me anything, and then
I can block you from being able to see that
I posted.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
That on where?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
On Instagram? Oh so these come from all over the place,
but there are some really good ones in here. I
think our listeners are very perceptive.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Okay, go ahead, and they have cool ones.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
So do you think it's not negotiable? One? You think
you're successful?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
You know you're successful?

Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yah? Yeah, I guess okay, good in some.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Ways, in some ways. Okay, I'm gonna get back to
that in a second. Do you think you became successful
because of who you are? Or did success shape who
you had to become?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Both? Okay, elaborate and sort of and sort of not
proud of be the latter that it shaped you? Well,
success has shaped me. Yeah, Well it should be the
other way around in my opinion. Okay, I should be
the one who makes the decisions that make me successful.
I shouldn't wait for a success to shape me and
help me make decisions.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
I think it's just natural, though, that anything you do
in your life is going to shape you in some way.
Every aspect of that is going to shape you in
some way. So if you were not successful, it would
shape you to do certain things, and if you are,
it also shapes you to do certain things. I think
it'd be weird to not be shaped in any way
by what you do in our every day, wouldn't it?

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Well? Who I am and who I am, who I
are who I am every day versus who I think
I need to project as me. I'll give It goes
back to what we were talking about earlier, little reach around
for you, meaning, you know, with political craziness going on
in this world, I saw a lane competitively we should

(24:12):
be in in order to do well because we have
a lot of people with rhetoric on the left and
a lot of people with rhetoric on the right. So
success down the middle has shaped my sound and my
outward proclamations about the world, and therefore we've become successful.

(24:35):
So I can sometimes say that this show and me
personally are successful in this business because of the popular
the popular vote for what people think we should do
on the show.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Am I making any sense at all? So we're saying
you found you found a lane, and the lane was
appeal to all and in trying to appeal to all
that is now where we are and.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Sorry to be the person you hear the person you
hear appeal to. All isn't always all of me. I don't.
I don't go on the air and tell you everything
that's on my mind because that would that would drive
us off the middle lane that shows our success. Look,
we have a lot of people in the show that
are depending on the success of this show, and yeah,

(25:19):
absolutely it stresses me out.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I think about that a lot. I think that, you know,
I We're all in different places in our careers. At
some point, I'm going to have to figure out something
else to do with my life. I can't depend on
you forever. And then I think about you and if
you feel like you have to carry all of us
or support all of us because you've built this thing.
But that kind of locks you in and makes you
feel like you're in a cage because you feel like,

(25:42):
here are all these people who I love, who I
have to look out for as well.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Guess what I've done for you and everyone else on
this show.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
What have you done?

Speaker 5 (25:47):
I've become somewhat of a sellout so you can have
a successful career.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh, thank you.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
I've done it for you. Pay me on the cross
because I did it for you.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Oh thanks so much appreciated. So back to what you
were saying before. Do you think you are a different
person off the air than you are on the air?
How different?

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Maybe you should ask yourself that question about me? Am
I a different person off the air?

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Yeah, I think I'm a different person right now than
I am on the air.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I think so too, because.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
We're talking about stuff I would never talk about on the.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Air, and you haven't one time made a sexual joke,
or you haven't made a joke. Why aren't you joking
with that?

Speaker 5 (26:21):
Because you don't, you're not asking joke questions.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Tell me a favorite joke. No, okay, I do think
you're a different person, not in a bad way either.
I think you are more I mean, obviously you're more
open about things. Because we're not going to be super
open about a lot of stuff on the air. You
have to look out for yourself and what's around you.

(26:45):
And I think you definitely have bigger opinions off the
air than you.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Do on I do, and I see and I know
that you have bigger opinions, and your opinions come through
much louder than and more clear than mine do on
our show. And sometimes I can see how a person
and like you Gandhi, feels a little held back because
you can't use that main show as a place for
you to stage your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So this is I'm glad that you brought this up,
because we talk about this a lot. I don't know
that I feel held back. I think we had a
conversation once where you asked me what was it that
I was trying to get out of some of the
things that I say that are, I know, in scendiary
things to say. And I think that the difference in
Diamond and I have talked about this too is there

(27:40):
are certain things about me and people like me that
you just can't shut off. Like when I walk out
of these doors, I'm still going to be brown, I'm
still gonna be a woman, I'm still going to be
a child of immigrants. That is all day, every day.
And I do feel the need to represent the people
who are like me in ways that they haven't felt
represented before, not just by this show, but by life

(28:01):
in general. And I feel this all the time. I
didn't get to see me growing up. I never got
to see people who look like me or came from
a background like me. But now I get to be me,
and maybe if there's a little kid out there who
felt the way I felt when I was little, they
can look at me and say, oh, this is normal,
this is something that I can aspire to be. I
would never have thought that I would be able to

(28:22):
get to a place of being on a nationally syndicated
morning show. I just wouldn't have thought that was in
the cards, based on one what people said, and two
just I didn't see it anywhere. So now I feel
like there is a bit of responsibility on my shoulders
to have those conversations and say things sometimes so that
all the people who are like me feel it and
feel like, Okay, we're not alone. And I understand that

(28:42):
that doesn't feel the same way for everybody else.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
May I piggybacks that for a second. Growing up a
gay kid in the South, as I did, yes, and
part of me wanted to march in every gay pride parade.
Part of me wanted to, especially during the AIDS epidemic,
just get radical and get crazy and be out there

(29:06):
to help others like me so they see someone else.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
That's going through what they're going through.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
Another part of me wanted to squelch a lot of
that and just tried my best to fit in with
the mainstream, to show people that a gay guy can
be cool to hang out with. There have been times
that we've had people text this show saying, I used
to be so homophobic until finally I'm at Elis by

(29:33):
listening to him every day, and now I've got tons
of gay friends because he showed me that you can
be gay and we can all find common ground with
each other if we're not gay versus gay. So I've
seen a different perspective than being a brown woman, albeit
that to be true, but I see where you're coming

(29:56):
from on that. Like I can go on the air
and be a militant gay guy.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I remember.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
During AIDS epidemic it was act Up, the name of
the organization. They would they would go to uh mainstream
events and act Up and cause a stir and you know,
if someone was speaking on the stage, they were going, ah,
fuck you, what about AIDS? You know they would do that.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I'm sorry, what a statement, but.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
That was that was that was what act up did.
Look Up act Up, I don't know if you ever
heard of them, I could have done that, or I
could have said, look, you know what, these people out
there who were hating gays, if I just tried to
make them see that not all gay people are out
there being outlandish and wearing dresses and parades. You know,
I'm not saying I'm against that that. Okay, we have

(30:48):
common ground here, so I'm hoping that that's what I'm
accomplishing on this show, and that's what you accomplished as
well when you come in here. You do have the
best way in this room of stating the facts from
a mainstream point of view, but also being very clear
that you are living life as a brown woman. Well thanks,

(31:08):
and you saw teams growing up that the rest of
us didn't see your experience. And then you have Diamond. Yeah,
the black woman, the brown woman, the black woman. I mean,
you guys have seen life through set a pair of
bise that I don't understand. But I have seen life
through a pair of bise that you don't understand.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
That sure, I think that's why it works well though.
I think it's really good to have people of different backgrounds,
different ages. I think it's funny when everybody tries to
focus on, Oh, we need somebody in there who's twenty
two years old.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I would love to have someone who's old.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
You're trying to do that right now.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I would also love to have somebody who is my parents' age,
because there's such a gap between experience and life and
all the things that one generation can teach the other.
I think that's some more successful formula than Hey, it's
all twenty two year olds who maybe thought that nine
to eleven was responsible for nine to one one?

Speaker 5 (31:59):
That what's awful?

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, if you didn't, if you don't know what we're
talking about. There was video that came out not too
long ago where a bunch of twenty something year olds
were sitting around talking about how the number nine one
one actually originated from nine to eleven happening, and then
they realized, oh my god, we need an emergency number.
That's crazy. And I would like there to be someone
who's in their seventies saying, hey, that's crazy. I like

(32:21):
the balance of these things.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Well, then here we are, and we have it.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So as far as the show goes to you, who
are your favorite guests? And I know you're gonna say,
I know what you're gonna say, You're gonna say, I
love talking to the people who are not celebrities, who
are just random people that you meet. Like you said
the podcast, you want to do people that you meet
who aren't super super famous that have really.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Interesting I'll add to that, Yes, I love interviewing people
who are not celebrities, but I also love interviewing celebrities
who act like people.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Who are they?

Speaker 5 (32:50):
God? You know what, I can't answer this question because
there's so many.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
There's so many.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
I'm sure, uh.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Who Bobby Flay?

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, he's a great example. Guy's a big celebrity. He's
a successful entrepreneur. He's a successful chef. I asked him
on his podcast yesterday, on your business card, Bobby Flay,
and underneath your name, it's who you are.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Who are you?

Speaker 5 (33:12):
He said, chef? He saw a host game shows. I
have restaurants. At the end of the day, I'm a
chef and that's great. And then he talked a lot
on his podcast about his relationship with Brooke, his girlfriend,
talked about how he never wants to get married ever,
and he just talked about things a real person would

(33:32):
talk about. A lot of celebrities come in to our
show to push their album or their movie, whatever their
TV show, and that's all they talk about. They don't
want to talk about their personal lives, and we never
ever want to force that no, because that could be uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
This is a safe space. You make a safe space.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
For celebrities and also a comfortable space. Safe is safe,
Comfortable makes them relax, and then they start to talk
about their personal lives. I think we're pretty good in
this room in doing that.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, definitely. I know that they come in here and
they know they're not going to get the gotcha question.
That's what the podcast is for.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
We surprise peak gotcha.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
No, we don't, We don't really do that. I think
Ed Sharon is a really good example of what you
sort of just said, which is there's the celebrity version
of that person. But then when he comes in here,
he's very I hate to say normal, but he seems
like a very normal person when he comes in he
has normal conversations. I enjoy when he comes in here.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Those are my favorite guests. So we've had so many
great guests. You asked me to give you them by name.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I frank them in order. Please, Okay, alphabetically.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
No.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Can you think about guests that you're like, I never
wanted something to come back ever.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Uh, there's a few. You won't name them, to be honest, yes,
very telling. Yes, I really can't recall their names because
they really aren't around anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Did you tank their career?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
I don't have the ability. I'm not a king maker.
What am I?

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Are you saying that you tanked TiO Cruz?

Speaker 5 (34:58):
No, Tyo Cruz tanked Tyo Crue No, no, No. What
I'm saying is those people who do come in and
just kind of lay it out there and say, here's
who I am. Oh, yeah, it's so what happens? I
have a new album out as well? Those are the
people who are still around. The other ones that come
in here and just want to talk about their project
and then run out the door, they don't last very long,
not in our world.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I think Michael Boublay does a good job of that too.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Michael Boublay is excellent, What a great example.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
He's a fun one. He's I mean, you would never,
at least I would never. I didn't know a ton
about Michael Boublay until I came here. I heard his music,
but I didn't know how fun he was as a human.
You just look at him as this guy who has
an awesome Christmas album at Starbucks and other albums too,
of course, and then you talk to him and I'm like,
oh shit, he's really funny.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
You know what. Another thing about Michael Booblay that I love.
This guy puts on a tuxedo, stands in front of
a five hundred piece orchestra, yeah, and then comes on
our show and tells a dick joke. It's just that
he's just he just has so many different levels of
fascination or i'm fast, levels that I'm fascinating with.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Anyway. Do you have dream guests at this point or
have you interviewed everybody that you want to?

Speaker 5 (36:01):
I think I have, really, you know, but there's always
new ones piling on, Like Conor Story.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
You don't want to interview Connor.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Story, trying to interview Connor Story. The other one not
as much.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
His name is Hudson.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, I forget. Also, and all these artists that we're playing.
I'm loving where music is going. It has been going
for a while with Leve and it would just name
all of the young women.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Oh yeah, San Spiro Ray. Who else were we talking
about the other day, Oh, Olivia, Dan.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Olvidan, all of these younger women vocalists who are just
changing their sound and not apologizing for it and just
doing it and owning it. Look at look at the
attention they're getting through all ages. I mean, what a
wide spectrum of zero to one hundred in the age

(36:53):
groups that love them and what they're doing. Those are
the new people want to interview because they're starting this
the hipster or did this movement?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I enjoy the We were talking about this the other day,
the racially ambiguous jazz singers from the UK. That's the
moment right now. Now, who knows a year from now
if it's still going to be the same thing, But
at this moment, I love it. I'm here with you.
Ourciana Spiro experience the other day was hilarious.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
She's so talented.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Thank you, by the way, for buying the most amazing
expensive tickets.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Do you know I paid nine hundred dollars a seat?
There's seats, there were no seats, there were no seat
I thought that that's what the going rate was, nine
hundred dollars. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Are you crazy. Yes, How much do you think milk is?

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Should we ask you all the questions?

Speaker 5 (37:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
What do you think gas goes?

Speaker 5 (37:40):
For these? I know it's somewhere around five a gallon
in some places six a gallon.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
You are right in California right now?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
No, No, in New Jersey, but where I live, really, yeah,
it was six a gallon of the day. People were
stopping on the side. They were going, what the fuck?
Six a gallon? They're pointing at it, taking photos of it.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Do you know how to pump your own gas?

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (37:59):
In the state of New Jersey you're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I know. That's why I was concerned that maybe you
didn't know how to do it.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Oh, I started pumping at an early age.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, I bet you did so for you when it
comes to our show again, I'm gonna bring it back
to the show because these questions are pretty freaking good.
What do you think? Have you noticed a difference in
pop stardom from when you started to now and the
way they interact with us.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
One of the many differences I've noticed is, you know,
the self starters are the winners these days. You know
it used to be the system of that. We called
them record companies back in the day, music companies, those
big behemoth corporations. They would own these artists. They would
tell them exactly what they could do or could not do.

(38:44):
They were in charge of their album cover art They
were in charge of which songs would be pushed out
to radio, and then they would also control radio and say,
these are the songs you're going to play from this artist.
We have other songs on that album. We're not going
for those yet. You have to play the songs we
want you to play. And it's still a little bit
like that today. Now you have artists that just didn't
feel like they fit in with these big corporate radio

(39:08):
or record companies. Yeah, music companies. So they're doing it
on their own. You know, can and they can, and
some of them succeed, some of them don't.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
It makes me sad when they don't, you know. I
love a good damn themand story. I'm always a fan
of when someone comes in and they're like, I just
went independent because I couldn't take all of this. I
love that, But I also think it's impacted us in
some ways too, because in a lot of ways we
are in bed with the big record labels, right, they
bring us through.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Well, they still bring us a lot of resources and
a lot of great music, but a lot.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Of people don't need radio as much as they used to.
I feel like it's coming back now. Everything is swinging
back in the other direction.

Speaker 5 (39:42):
You do, why do you think that? How do you
say that?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Are you trying to interview me now?

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Well, I'm just curious where this is coming from.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I've noticed so. I think that all things old are
new again, as we see on social media, even with
the music and the trends, and.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Is radio like vinyl?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, so we're vintage. You said we're from nineteen fifty.
I think that podcasting is so big now, but people
are starting to get to the point where they say,
what if there was a podcast, we could all listen
to it at the same time. Oh my god, it's radio.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
What a gious idea, What a genius idea.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And I think that it's comfort for a lot of people.
I know that there for me when I am out
the people who approach me more now, I'm noticing a
lot younger women coming to say hello than I did before,
And I think that's interesting. I hearing that yeah, I
like it too, and I'm like, okay, so this really
is appealing to a lot of people. It's like that
whole man. If only there was a phone that rang

(40:34):
and everybody could hear it, and somebody in the house
could just pick it up. It didn't have to be
one person's phone. Oh it's a landline. It exists. Have
you seen that bed?

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Can you imagine a phone?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
We just all hear it?

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Did we all hear it?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah? But I think that radio is coming back in
that way. And I think podcasting is cool and important,
but I think that the more podcasts we get, the
more radio is actually going to do better. Do you
agree or.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Disicc No, I can see how that makes sense absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I mean, you run a podcast network, how do you
feel about podcasting?

Speaker 5 (41:05):
And well, I love podcasting, love it.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
So he has to say, well, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Just I've always felt that radio is a podcast and
podcast is radio. I mean the content delivery anyway. But
it is different because we don't play by those rules
that were set forth in the nineteen fifties. As I
said earlier in a podcast like right now, we should
have taken three commercial breaks and played fourteen songs?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Is it easier for you or harder for you to
do it this way?

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Do you need the breaks, examples and oranges? No, one's fine.
I didn't want to look something up, though, look it
up because I have time. It's a podcast, and we
can edit.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
What is this? I love when that happens during the show.
By the way, that's one of my favorite things.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
I just said something and I'm checking my word.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Okay, take your time.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
I said the word ingenius.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah. So there's ingenius and there's genius, and they mean
the same thing, right.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Describe someone or something like a device, plan, idea that's
remarkably clever, resourceful, And I'm thinking, well, I shouldn't use
the word ingenius. I should use the word genius. But
they basically are interchangeable.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Okay, back to you during this So during the show,
I would not have the time or the mental space
or real estate in my brain to stop down everything
and go, pardon me, I gotta look up in genius
versus genius here on your podcast. You absolutely can't fuck it.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
We're going live. Do you think so? You did? You
had a CBS Sunday Morning special, They interview interview. It's
not what's what's the difference? Whatever?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Story?

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Okay, a story segment. They Morocca and his team were
around for a year and some change right back and forth.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Yeah, over the course of a year they did maybe
four they did four activities with with me.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Okay, how did you feel when you saw the actual
package come out?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I loved it?

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Did you?

Speaker 5 (43:06):
First of all, I'm just such a huge fan of
CBS Sunday Morning.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, it was like a bucket.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Listen, there's CBS Saturday Morning, totally different CBS Sunday One.
They're rebuilding that CBS Sunday Morning. I fired everyone. I
think I don't know. CBS Sunday Morning to me is
you know, I hope CBS, as you know, CBS is
peeling away layers or where there.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
They've got new ownership coming in. They've got to save
money and.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
They're you know, they totally totally dissolved the CBS Radio
News division, which is one hundred years old. Crazy, but
they said it just doesn't fit into current way of
doing media.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Business, the oligarchy of yellows.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
But having my show, that segment of yes, having the
segment with Me and hosted by Mo Rocca of all
people on CBS Sunday Morning that that was one of
my lifelong dreams come true. So your question was, how
did I feel when I watched that? Yeah, blow it away?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Do you think they did a good job of encapsulating
you as a person and what you do and who
you are?

Speaker 5 (44:07):
You know what, when it's about you, you start thinking, well,
they could have left this in or that that in,
but it would have turned into a five hour segment.
They'd have edit it down to like seven minutes or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Five hours to seven minutes is a wild difference. Yeah,
do you think people know you or do you think
they only know a version of you based on what
you do every day? Just a version? How about you?
Do you? I think people probably know I think people
know me a little bit more. I don't think that
there's a huge separation between me on the air and
me off the air. I also don't I haven't been

(44:41):
doing it for as long. I don't think I have
as many people to protect and look out for. And
I'm also just sort of a loose cannon and reckless
I've been told. I don't know if that's true or not.
I disagree with that narrative. When Diamond says it, I'm like,
not really, But I don't think there's a big difference.
And I don't think there's a big difference with you either,
But I think they're definitely a difference. Do you think

(45:02):
that there's something you would want people to know about
you that they don't?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Not?

Speaker 5 (45:06):
Really? No, I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I saw you flinch when I was saying that one.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Well, I'm fine, I'm fine. I love having privacy. I
love having Look, you know a lot about me. You
and I talk with the microphones are off all the time.
But you know I I don't I don't want the
world to know all that. I don't think. I don't
think they want to know it.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I don't I think the world wants to know. I
think people are nosy for sure. I mean Diamond, who
is the queen of reality TV. All she wants to
do is know everything about all the people who are
on the show all the time.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
The way you carry yourself on the air versus off
the air, like you said before, is a little Those
those lanes are close together. There are almost one lane
when it comes to many things. Me, on the other hand,
I'm on the air, that is me. Those are my thoughts,
but there are a lot of thoughts I don't I
don't put out there, and I like it that way.
So I think the me that people here on the

(45:56):
on the show is better protected and more find than
if I started talking about my private life of course,
and the things that are I'm thinking about privately.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
I think it would it would water one would water
down the other.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
In my opinion, I can see where you would feel
that way for sure. I also think it's interesting. And
we've said this before too. Whatever somebody tells you about me,
if they were like, oh, she's the nicest person I've
ever met, you should believe it. And if someone tells
you I'm a giant bitch, you should probably believe it
and wonder what my interaction and relationship is with that person.
Because we're different with every single person that we encounter.

(46:32):
So of course we're going to be different in some
capacities off the air versus on the air, because everybody
that you interact with in some capacity, you have a
person ona with that person.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Right, Well, this is a going back to It's exactly
what we were talking about with the Bobby Flay podcast yesterday. Well,
an actor give me the name of an actor who's
been in a million films.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
All right.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
When you see Tom Hanks play playing Forrest Gump or
playing well, wow, an incredible role in a war movie
saving Private Ryan, Right, was he in it?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah? Yes?

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Or whatever the million films he's been in, you always
know it's Tom Hanks. But it's Tom Hanks with a
different mask on. But all of those characters are still
powered by Tom Hanks.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Right.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
So, when I'm with you versus when I'm on the air,
versus when I'm on a podcast, those are three different masks,
four different masks I'm using. It's still me, but it's
all edited, it's all customized for what I want you
to know in what I want to talk about with you.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You're manipulating me every day.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
As you do with me, versus with your boyfriend, as
you do with Diamond. You're a different If I wasn't
in here right now and you and Diamond were having
a conversation, I guarantdamn tee you that conversation would probably
be a little different than when I walked in the room. Probably,
I'm not saying, but though I say you're you're closer
to Central Lane than I am. They're okay, let's go

(48:06):
down a few people on the show that we use
their names. Yes, And if they walked through this room
and through this door right now, how would I be
different than I am? With just the two of you
and a podcast that's rolling in the background.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
If Nate walked in right now, how are you different?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (48:21):
I'd be on guard really because Nate's always like looking
at something to pick on. He's always looking to make
fun of what I'm wearing.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Fuck Nate.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Okay, if Scary walked.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
In here, it would turn into joking about Scary.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's really hard. I've been trying really hard to not
do it, but he makes it impossible.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
See, we put on different masks when we're around different
people or on different forces of content, like right now, for.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Instance, do you feel like you have a mask on
right now? Always?

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Okay, always?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
See?

Speaker 5 (48:53):
But the key is when you're by yourself, what mask
do you have on? And that's where you really need therapy.
I'm serious. If you look. I think it's totally acceptable
to have different masks on with different people, depending on
what they mean to you in life, and.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I think you should. It would kind of be weird
to just barrel through everything the same way.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
But when you go to your apartment at the end
of the day, Gandhi by yourself, Yeah, just you and
your plants? What mask are you wearing?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Meaning?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
What are you keeping from yourself? What are you what
are you denying as being reality in your life because
you don't want to deal with it, because you don't
want to conquer it, A fear whatever, it's the mask
you have on with yourself. I think that's what we
should be investigating a little more. What do you That

(49:43):
was fucking brilliant? But what I just said by You're
going to.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Clip that and make that the promo. Hope you like it.
When you say that and you're at home by yourself,
do you think you know the answer to that question?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Well, you know, But also you go down roads that
that are depressing, sad, and not good for you, rather
than solving the issues that are holding you down when
you're by yourself in your house, solving them versus swimming

(50:15):
in them when you're by yourself, I think you know
without looking behind your I'm by myself masked. You're not
going to know about yourself. Therefore, you have a lot
of unanswered questions down there, and maybe some issues that
are making you sick, making your nervous.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
You're looking at me right in the face. I agree
with you.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Well, you're the only one sitting in front.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I was trying to think about when I'm home, solo dolo,
what is it that I'm worried about or fear about.
I think about health a lot. I want to be healthy.
I had my own little run in with a kidney issue,
and now every time I feel any type of ping
or tiniest little thing, I think, oh my god, this
is it. I'm dying. And then everybody says, here, that's

(50:56):
oh nook, That's just part of growing up. It happens.
We all feel that way. I don't that I think
I'm super lazy. I could do so much more in
a day than I actually do, and I beat myself
up about.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
That a lot. And you do a lot in.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
A day, not as much as I think people think
I do.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Well, you sure to make it seem like you. You
must put on that mask when youre around me.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Manipulation.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Let's make Elvis think I'm busy twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
It's so busy all the time. And I think all
the time that, like in a very black mirror way,
the most terrifying thing in the world to me would
be if somebody had access to my camera on my
phone and was able to watch me all day and
then just release the footage of me and my apartment.
I would be mortified, disgusted. I just sit around in
my underwear, eating snacks, watching TV and scrolling like a

(51:41):
piece of shit. It's awful. I don't want people to
see that, but that is what I do a lot
of times when I go home.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Well I'm sure that's what a lot of people are doing,
but I.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Want to see me doing that. I got you, I
need you just think that I'm like, you know, running
on a treadmill and just being super productive all day long.
But that's definitely the stuff that I think about when
I'm solo, and when I think about you and your solo.
I used to think your hobbies were like that, cooking
was your hobby, that you enjoyed it, and I know
that you still do. But I've realized that you have
other hobbies and they're fascinating things like what like rehabbing property.

(52:13):
You're very good at that, And I had no idea,
how balls deep you were in the world of like, hey,
I can make this kitchen look this way instead of
this way. And you create those prints like blueprints whatever
you would call them. What do they call those? Oh,
don't act click, You don't.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Know elevations, blueprints were designs.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I didn't know that you could do that. There's like
a hidden talent that I think everybody should know you do.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Well, yeah, I love it. That's why I don't know
where where we going with this.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
No, I just think it's cool. I think you have
more hobbies than people know about. Like that's one of
the things when you're home that people don't know these
things about you. They think, oh, he has a nice house,
But do they know how much effort you put into
that house? Specifically you designed so much of it. I
think that's really cool.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Well, I surround myself with people who are great designers
as well, and I collaborating with people in this universe
you're talking about is super charging to me.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
I love it. You think that's what you're going to
do when you don't want to do this anymore.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
Well, the problem with that is that takes a lot
of money, and so if you're not employed and retired
can't do it anymore. There's no money coming in.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
So only you will only do them when you can
do both at the same time.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Or smaller the other or smaller projects. What's that that
thing that's going on around now? Said tiny houses?

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Oh, the tiny houses are so okay.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
I could proall you afford to do tiny houses.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I don't know. Do you know the cost of new gas?
You new milk? I think about when I moved here
all the time and I was like, what I was
looking at apartments and I didn't know what I wanted
to do or how much I was going to spend
because I had no idea how money was going to
spend here versus where I was before. And you were like,
it doesn't matter. Just max out your credit card you'll
be fine. So what And you were dead serious. I

(53:48):
like that you live your life that way, But I
also find it terrifying. It is terrifying max out your
credit card.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Well, it's just you know, have faith in the fact
the money will reappear at some point.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
What where do you get this notion?

Speaker 5 (54:03):
It's probably a very dangerous concept. Maybe we shouldn't be
preaching this.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
There are things that we say on the show that,
and on its surface, I'm like, yeah, fuck yeah, that's
what you should do. And then I think about it
and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, maybe we
shouldn't do we encourage a lot of people to quit
their jobs. Is that the best thing we should be doing.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
No, within reason. Look, if you are if you don't
have a family to raise, and you are able to
pick up and move whatever, and you're worried about your
next gig, the the possibility pool is much larger for you,
you know. But if you have obligations like a family
and whatever, and you can't move that easily, you know,

(54:47):
you can find a new or different way to manipulate
your life and move it into a different direction, maybe
not as drastic as just disappearing, you know, and moving
on to something else. Where are you getting at my
point to you? Okay, here's my point. When trash cans
are in, no.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Trash cans.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Where I sit, where you are, We've got I've got
two trash cans, one to you're left, one to your own.
Here you have trash cans. It gets pretty fancy. When
people say I want to move to New York, I say,
do it, but understand that you're not going to be
able to afford it and live comfortably. No one lives
comfortably in New York City. And my favorite story is
when our friend Josh wanted to move from Cleveland. He said,

(55:28):
how much money do I need to make to be comfortable?
I said, fucking billionaires are uncomfortable in New York City.
No one's comfortable here. Get that out of your way first,
and understand that if you want to live in the city,
which is where you want to live at least for
a little while, or access to the city like you have,
it's going to cost you. But that experience of living

(55:50):
near or in the city is something that will serve
you for the rest of your life, no matter where
you live.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
How so, how do you think New York shapes you?

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Gu It's the same as living on a farm shapes you.
I mean your different job both, I do it gives
you a different perspective. You know, you need to see
that what do you prefer over the other? Well, many
things on both.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
You know, even in this conversation where we tell people
to quit their jobs, I look at the text messages
during the morning show. The majority of texts that we
get on that subject, I would say all of them
are I quit my job because of you guys, and
it was the best decision I've ever made. I have
not seen one text message of somebody being like, I
quit my job because of you guys, and fuck you.
It ruined everything. Thank god.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Well, I'm hoping that the type of person who listens
to our show is smart enough to understand that you
should not live by exactly what we say because it
may not apply to you and your needs. But if
I was listening to our show one morning, they're like,
you know what if you're at a dead end and
you know you have so many years left in your
life and you want to go live that if you

(56:52):
can make a change, find a way to make that change.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
That's an important message. And when it comes to the
stuff that we say on the air, have there ever
been moments and you might not know off the top

(57:17):
of your head a specific one, but you were like, shit,
I wish I didn't say that. Oh my god, I
wish I could take it back.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Regret is something I don't live with.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I know we have this kind I have to get
to this in a minute.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
No, No, there have been things I've said, and I
in looking back at those things, I will say, in
my mind, maybe I could have rephrased that. Maybe I
wasn't thinking about everyone who would be affected by what
I said, and I should not have said it or
squelched it in one way or another. Yes, so you just.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Said you don't live with regret. That's not a thing
that happens with you.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Well, regret in learning a lesson or two different things.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yet, See, I think they're kind of the same. I
think they regret something and from that regret you learn
the lesson.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Have I said things that I wish I had not said? Yes,
but I learned from them, And I guess, yeah, there's
a shade of regret in there, but it's so easy
to easy just to mask it. Is I learned.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
No, But that's true. Hey, our girl Rihanna, she has
the tattoo across her little collarbone. Here it says, never
a mistake, always a lesson. Two things can be true.
It could be a mistake that you learned a lesson from.
But I think all the time with you, because there's
a lot that I regret, but I think that I've
learned from the regret. And then I think about you,
and You're like, I don't regret anything, and I'm like, wow,
that must be a great freaking way to live your life.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Well, you know, your regret in my regret could be
two different regrets.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
So do you regret hiring me at all?

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Now?

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Seriously, let me think about it. No, I don't regret
hiring you.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
No.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Good, What a stupid question.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I just wanted to, you know, make it about me again.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
If I Okay, but please feel free. It is sauce
on the side with Gandhi. It says it right there
above your head.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Oh what?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Okay? So let's talk about your podcast network. This is
your podcast network. There are many podcasts on it. Is
there someone that you would love to see join this
network that you think? Yes, a lot of really cool things.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Absolutely, who is it? I can't say because you and
I have talked about it, but we can't. We can't
divulge that.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Are we going to try to make it happen for real?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Well, we're gonna we have to. We have to meet
these people and see if it would make sense.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Okay, so let's take that person off the table. Is
there something with the podcast network, like a lane that
you think you want to go in or do you
want to keep it very broad. If you have something
great to talk about, come here and talk about it.
Or do you want to focus on one.

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Thing on one If I did a podcast, well, if
you know the whole podcast network, Oh okay, so there's
there's a conversation going on about that. Look you know
the Elvis Tran podcast network. Is it's just something? Oh,
you did a podcast, you did a podcast, let's put
them together, yay, not really thinking about the business plan

(59:50):
or really thinking about how it should all be positioned.
But now we were at a point where, okay, this
thing could be successful if we focus a little more
on turning it into a business rather than just let's
do a podcast. Hey, right, So in doing so, the

(01:00:10):
conversations are, well, should we only do one type of
podcast and everyone have like a sort of a theme
that in others you can turn on any of our
podcasts and know, well, that sounds like an Elvistrem podcast
from his network. Or should we just have all these
different things like we have now and we have some
We have one guy over here who's like in a

(01:00:33):
barnyard interviewing chickens for his podcast. Do we have this
crazy Indian woman who's like talking to everyone you talk to,
you know, and so it's just a mismatch of all
these different things. We're trying to figure out, you know,
is there is there a way to streamline this where
it makes they all make sense together. So I don't know,

(01:00:53):
we're still trying to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
This is the thing I think also, people don't know
about you. I think you are a very shrewd businessman.
I think you know so much more about business and
building a business and building a brand than you ever
really talk about. You just kind of quietly do it
behind the scenes.

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
I disagree with you. I don't know anything. I'm a
bad businessman. I'm a bad manager.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Do you well. I think being a manager and being
a businessman are two different things. Why do you think
you're a bad manager?

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
Where you need management within the business or you hire
someone to do it. A bad manager? I just don't.
I don't like getting a call from someone who wants
to raise I'm sorry, I don't want to do that.
And just because my name is on the T shirt here,
well get a lot. I haven't had a raise in
a while. Good Devil's a call, don't call me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
I don't control the salaries on this show. You know
that I don't want to manage. I just don't want
to manage people. I can't even manage me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I think you manage you. Okay, okay, you could do better.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
But this podcast network shut up. This podcast network is
something that you know, I've decided to to take a
firmer hand on. You know, I get a firm, a
great upon Okay, whatever term I want to use, affirm
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
You're gonna grab it by the balls, well, delicately, delicately
by the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Balls, Yes, Diamond. Do you think do you think he's
a good businessman?

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
See, I think anybody would say that. I think most people.
What do you base that on a businessman? Based on
the way I know you run the show and what
you've built of the show, and I think just when
you look at your life in general, I would imagine
that it's indicative of being good at something. And this
show is a business, and you're the head of this business.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
I don't like this pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Also, I'm gonna call you later about a raise, if
that's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
I don't have any money. Lies, I'm I am in
you know, I'm not in control of the business of
this show at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I don't know that I used to be.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
We used to own this show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I don't. I don't think I know anything about that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
We have before you were here is before you're here.
I'll tell you the story. It's a syndication story. When
I hear yeah, So back in the day, we are
doing the show here on Z one hundred in New York,
and then someone said, hey, we've got a little station
up in northern New Jersey. They want to run your
show in the morning. I'm like, okay, and so they
started running our show. And then my manager, my manager,

(01:03:14):
my agent, David Katz, and I said, well, why don't
we get Premiere Radio Networks, which is owned by iHeart,
to syndicate our show, put us on in different cities.
Good idea, Yeah, we can make some money, they can
make some money it it'd be great. We went, we

(01:03:35):
went to Premiere and they said, nah, we're not gonna.
We're not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
We're not gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
We're not going to syndicate you. And so we say, well,
fuck you, We'll syndicate ourselves. So we picked up Philadelphia
Q one O two. We picked up Kiss in Cleveland.
Those were first two affiliates with the Elvis Duran Broadcast network.
Order the hell we called it, right and Heart, Yeah,
we ran those, and then we picked some other affiliates up.

(01:04:03):
And then then iHeart comes in and goes, well, hold
on a second, now, little lady, you shouldn't own these.
We should own these. And I'm like, well, we tried.
You didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Do it, so you did the thing. You basically went
independent from the big record guys. You were like, fine,
I'll do this on my own. We did, and then
they came around and said, but wait, they said, no,
we need to own that. See I would say one
would argue, that's good business.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Well, god, it was great business to get out of
the business because without we were managing people. I mean
half of the people that work for the show were
for us. We paid their payroll. And times were great, man,
because times were good and we only had two affiliates
like but Cleveland and Philadelphia those are major, beautiful markets.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Do you feel like you had less stress on your
shoulders when it was just one hundred?

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Of course. Would you go back to that or do
you prefer it's been.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Thought about really. Oh absolutely, okay, absolutely changes everything. Yeah,
it changes everything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Huh okay, good to know thinking about this And as
far as what you do, we sort of touch on
it a little bit, but I don't think you gave
me like a solid answer. When this is done, when
you decide finally you're sick of us and you want
to unplug it and you want to do your own thing,
live your life for you, what does that look like?

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
I don't know. That's why I'm still here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
You know, you know, ready fault.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
As you know, we work in contracts. We have a
term of the contract, which could be two years, three years, whatever. Yeah,
So every time I'm at the end, I'm like m
They're like, okay, well, no, you're not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
I can't even imagine someone saying that to you. I
feel like you'd be like, yes, I am.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Well, there's an assumption out there, and I don't want
to sound too boogie, there's an assumption out there that
every time I've extended my contracts that they increase my salary.
That has not been the case at all. The question
isn't about money, it's about do I want to do
this anymore? And I'm like, well, well, what else am
I going to do? So I sign on the dotted

(01:06:05):
line and stay here, okay, And I love it. I
love working here. It's a different it's a different life
than it was ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
In which way it's you know, you know, I'm getting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
I'm getting older, I'm more set in my ways, you know,
dealing with the day to day, even though I'm not
really responsible for a lot of it. You see, it
is how it is in corporate America. It's not just Diehard,
it's everywhere. You're dealing with politics, You're dealing with this
and that. Let me tell you, this company takes very
good care of our show, extremely good care. They spoil

(01:06:37):
us rotten, Yes, they do. What else am I going
to do? Where else am I going to go? Where
I'm going to live this life?

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I don't know. You like to travel, you like to
be a chef, you like to rehab these houses.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
But also I have a husband who is tied to
his job, who doesn't want who can't travel as much.
What I'm going to travel by myself. You see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:07:00):
Then Alex says, well, I'll just retire and you could
just pay me and we can travel.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I'm like, no, wait, wait, you still have to be
the breadwinner here. Now you're going to work that way? Interesting?
All right? I think when we talk about like your dreams,
I know that there are certain things that you think
would be really cool to do, and hopefully you're going
to let me do one of them. I'm not going
to say what it is, but I've been saying it
to you for like six years, and I think we're
getting close to you letting me do it, are we?

(01:07:26):
I'm just waiting for what that is.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I mean, I know what it is. Well, I know
what it is. You say what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
But so if I bring it in tomorrow and I
present it to you, can we start moving? Well?

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Is there a presentable program?

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Is there a Yes, there's a thing, a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
There's a package. Okay, we'll call it a package.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
I mean, Gandhi comes up to me every five days
and says, hey, we're going to build an airplane together. Okay,
where is this plan? I don't know. I'm not in
the airplane planning business.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I think you're interested in the airplane. But now that
I know that you're maybe interested in the airplane, and
we go with it. I have thoughts, okay, thoughts on things.
Do you want to say your thoughts are.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
No, because then it defines what it is. We should
not say what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Are you going to write a second book?

Speaker 5 (01:08:06):
I sort of started it, but it's just it's not
it's not it's not coming together yet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
What do you think, well, your first book? I know
when you were done with the first book, you liked it,
but you said you didn't love it. What would you
do differently with a second book?

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
We'll love it. The first book was kind of like, Okay,
here's what got me where I am now. Yeah, the
book came out and I just kind of continue down
that path. This next book will have to be all right,
I've had my career.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I'm done. That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
I think that's that's the only that's the only book.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
I have left of me. I think you have so
many more books in you. You have a very interesting
life and very interesting I really I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
I don't have an interesting life. Where I do this
so interesting to you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I mean your vacations alone are fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
These are vacations.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah, they're fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
Any ape can take a vacation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
That's not true. I don't think any can take a
vacation apes vacation. I haven't seen a ton nonbel Actually, yes,
I have too. No, I think you have a lot
of interesting stories. I think, and I know you would
never do this, But in my dream world, what I
would want from you would be the craziest celebrity encounters,
the name dropping of this person came in and was
an absolute twat, hated them, this is what happened. I

(01:09:18):
would love that, but I know you're too classy to
do it. That would be more my lane, like the
absolute trash.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
I love using the word twat's that's a great name.
Wordy County. So good, Okay, yeah with a K.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Yeah. So second book, maybe you just haven't really gone.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Yeah, but I think I think it needs I have
an idea of what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
I can't say it now because it'll ruin it. It
will be very specific about probably one of the big
biggest question marks in my life and career, and we'll
leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
No guessing games. Now, I'm trying to think of what
it is. Okay, I won't guess.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
I'll tell you as soon as the MIC's go off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Oh amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I think we've talked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
About it, okay, and when it comes to like an itch,
something that you're just I would love to do. Are
there any itches that have not been scratched yet? You see?

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
I think this is the mask that's over my face
while I'm alone in the house. I know there are
I'm not identifying them, and I think that has something
to do with some kind of clog in my head.
There's something going on in my life where I'm stuck.
I don't know what that is, and I haven't figured

(01:10:26):
out what is making me stuck. I know that's very general,
but does it make sense at all. I'm kind of
in a ditch here and I can't get out of it.
I'm not quite sure what that ditch is. Okay, Well
maybe it's depression. Well maybe, you know, I don't think
that's what it is. I'm just kind of lost. Look,
you know, I have been on this road for so long,

(01:10:47):
and it wasn't through it in my opinion, and was
not through any ingenious decisions that made me, WHOA, this
is great successful whatever. I wasn't like looking at the
science on the road to tell me turn left, turn
and right, you know, just to make things work. It
just all happened in my In my opinion, it's just

(01:11:07):
formed on its own. Now I'm at a point in
my life and career where it's not forming anything different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
I'm still doing the same thing every day and it
kind of has me bothered. I'm used to new things
just popping up, and they're not popping up anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Well, I think it's harder for those things to just
pop up anymore, with the way that the world is,
with social media and everybody being able to have something
pop up, and just in life in general, people being
a little more I think risk averse than they were previously. Oh,
definitely trying new things.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
Risk is a frightening thing for me, as you know,
it didn't used to be. And also, opportunities do come
along and I just run.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
The other way, Right, is it an opportunity that you want?

Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
So why am I doing that? That's my point? Why
am I my own worst enemy? When it comes to that,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
We all are.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
I'm sure my worst enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
I am your worst enemy.

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
When you leave the room, No, you stand in your
own way of getting out there and doing these new things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, because who else would? No one else is standing
in your way, right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:05):
We'll We just talked a few minutes ago about this
opportunity you have for me, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Blocking it because I am your worst enemy. No, I think,
why do you want to be that way? This is
gonna sound weird, but it's almost comforting to me to
hear you say that sometimes you feel lost, because then
it makes me feeling lost a lot, because I feel
lost all the time. I don't have anything figured out nothing.
I thought by the time I was a grown up,
I would have so much in order that adults just

(01:12:30):
know what's going on. And I found out that's the
biggest lie. That one of the worst hoods is adulthood.
And nobody tells you that because when you're a kid,
you just think about I'm gonna eat ice cream whenever
I want, But you don't think all these other things.
And now my success or my failure, I think it
really is all on me. So to hear somebody who
I look at as very successful saying that they feel
a little lost, sometimes it makes me feel like, oh,
maybe I'm not that off track.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Conversely, maybe feeling lost is what keeps us alive. I
haven't found the entry yet. When I found the eyes,
when I find the answer kub him okay anurysm by.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
I don't know so this year, like do you are?
I feel like I might already know the answer this question,
but I'm gonna ask anyway. Are you somebody who comes
up with a five year plan?

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
One your plan? Never?

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Just no.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Again, it goes back to what I was saying earlier.
I'm just going down the road. I'm not looking at
any signs at timmy to turn left right. It's just
it's just everything's kind of fell into place. And another
thing you have to keep in mind with me in particular,
I'm sixty one years old. I'll be sixty two this August,
coming August. I'm the oldest person on this show. I'm
the oldest person in my household. There's a pressure there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
What's the pressure?

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Well, you know, if you are the oldest and you're
successful at what you do, people sometimes assume you have
no problems. Yeah, people just assume you're fine. Right, What
does he have to worry about?

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Hm?

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
He old, he's he's the oldest, he's the wisest. He's
which I'm not. He's got a lot of money, he's
doing Okay, No, And I hate that I hate that
in you know, at home, it's like this. Here it's
like this. People just assume, oh, you know, he's fine,
he's not having any problems. Why should I ask how

(01:14:14):
he's doing. I'm the one that's, you know, going through
strife because I'm younger and trying to find my way. Well, no,
I learned this from my dad on his deathbed, and
I've told you the story a million times. He looked
at me and said he couldn't even look at me.
He could, he couldn't even see. He was blind. Basically,
he said, you never ever have the answers. He said,

(01:14:34):
look at me. Look how old I am. Look where
I am right here, I'm here before you. I don't.
I don't have the answers. I'm lost in life. I
failed at things. I succeeded at things. I'm not quite
sure how I did either. And then you passed away
not long after that. Well when before he declined in
his mind a little bit and definitely his body.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
So it's rough.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Being the old this most successful person in the room.
Success success is gauged by different different metrics.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
But if somebody were to come to you and say, hey,
how are you doing? What's going on in your life?
What are your problems? Do you think that you're willing
to talk about it or do you think that you
keep it locked up?

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
Well, no, it depends on who it is and what
we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Sure, I mean not like a random person being like, hey,
tell me your problem.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Look, you know, I come in early in the morning,
and I talk to you about stuff that I don't
talk to anyone else about. So no, no, yeah, it's
possible to talk about things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
I noticed myself. I do. I talk to you about things,
but I notice with like a lot of my friends,
because I feel sometimes like I'm in that position, not
that I'm the oldest or the most successful, but that
people have a certain vision of what they think my
life is.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
They assume you're fine, they assume I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Fine, and I am always the person that's checking on
other people, and very rarely do people circle back and
check in on me. And sometimes I get pissed off
about it, but then I think, well, that's the way
that I've set myself up in these scenarios. It would
be nice if someone ever just turned around and was like, hey,
how are you doing, what's going on with you? It's
tough to be the strong friend. But at the same time,

(01:16:03):
if I am going through something, I don't usually like
to talk about it either, So I feel like i've
again I'm my own worst enemy in that capacity where
I wish somebody would check on me, But then if
they do, I'm like, I don't know if I want
to talk about this.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
You know, I think using the word using the word
successful is probably not the right word. Let's change that
narrative a little bit. As you listener watch this podcast,
where are You high?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Hi? Get up in that camera.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Who in your life is the person who you believe,
you assume has it all together. They're doing well, maybe
in their career and their life. They just got it
together and you just don't see any blemishes at all.
When is the last time you really ask them how
they're doing. There's a good chance you just gloss right
over that with them because you assume everything is fine. Well,

(01:16:53):
that's where we fail sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
It's always very surprising to me when I ask some
people that I would feel that way about, well, okay,
how are you doing? What's going on? And then there's
all of a sudden, this verbal diarrhea of well, all
this stuff is happening, and I think, oh my god,
I probably should ask that sooner. People do want to
be checked on, and they want to know or they
want to know that you care. And I do care.
I do want to know what's going on. But it
is tough sometimes to be the strong one and then say, hey,

(01:17:18):
I'm not feeling so strong in these areas.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
I think it's hard if Beyonce walk through this door
right now and sat down. She's beautiful, she's talented, she's successful,
she's got everything that we see anyway, everything just perfect.
You know what, if you're really I would hope a

(01:17:41):
good friend with Beyonce or our family member, you could
actually go, come on, girl, what's going on? How are you?
And I bet we'd all be surprised at someone, not
just Beyonce, but jay Z, anyone who we put on
these pedestals for whatever reason, success or they just got
their shit together, whatever, we assume they're okay. That's really
not good for us to approach them like that. You

(01:18:04):
should assume everyone has the possibility of needing, needing a
shoulder to cry on sometimes or some advice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
I'm mad that you used the Beyonce because when you
were talking about how Tom Hanks is always it's always
Tom Hanks, but he's wearing a different mask in every
Yes role. My immediate thought at that point was, well,
Beyonce is always Beyonce with no other mask on. I
don't know if you've ever seen her act, but it's
terrible and I think maybe that's where she's struggling just
a little bit her acting skills or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
You're pissing off.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Diamond. No Diamond knows it's true. Diamond, come over here
for a second.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
Diamond's got this. She's looking you like, fuck you what Diamond?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
We don't talk about Beyonce like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Do you think she's a good actress?

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
She she deserved an Oscar for me? What is it? Dream Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
You didn't even know the name?

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Please because you're throwing me off.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
You mean girls?

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Yeah, she mean girls, mean girls deserve to win Best
Picture that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
I love dream Girl.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Do you think she deserved the Oscar over Jennifer Hudson?

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
No, but she still deserves deserved it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I mean, come on, based on one you just said no,
then yes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Not against so like I think Jennifer Hudson would have
been in my book lead actress a lead actress nominee,
and then Beyonce could have been supporting actress shet into movies.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
I don't see. I don't think Beyonce would want supporting actress.
Not because I tell you why, Because I'm sitting here
doing what I'm telling people not to do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
I'm making assumptions. Yeah, I could see that. I could
see Beyonce being like, I reject the supporting actress and
I would like lead actor or nothing. Listen, she made
them change the whole freaking script of The Lion King
just so she could be in it. And you know
she was terrible. I don't care what you say, Diamond,
I know how you feel in your heart.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Can't tell you she was terrible if I never watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
But she's got a point. Okay, do you have any
questions for Elvis before you walk away from the microphone?
Knew it? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Can I have a raise?

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Oh, I say, you just want to pop it with
a little Joki joke.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Look at that, using humor to to mask your reality.
I can't hear.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
You come back because, as you know, I'm broke, right.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
So I did not know that. Well, you don't click
you're broke.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
Well, you know, a horror. I can't get any worse, though,
yes I can.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
But anyway, Yeah, you promised me that you would buy
me an apartment, and I'm just waiting.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
When did I do that? What I did?

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
He probably just let max out your credit card.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
She's like, I was drinking.

Speaker 4 (01:20:49):
Oh wow, next time, I'm going to record you. And
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
I think that in itself would be a fascinating book
from your from you as far as all the things
that you actually have bought for people, you just a
couple of things that I know. I'm like, what the fuck?
This is, first of all amazing. I aspire to someday
be in a position to do this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I can't name the things, but I just think it
would be a really fun Elvis bought me this. That
should be a podcast. Las bought me this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
There's no way to figure that out. Can I tell
you something?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
I was on the phone with my person who handles
my my finances and stuff like that, and the conversation
went into all the people I've loaned money to right
and have not received one penny. Gave money to look
I've always been a firm believer in this that when
you loan money to someone, you're basically giving it to them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
You're never going to see it again.

Speaker 5 (01:21:43):
There is a person in my life who I have
loan money to and they they have paid everything back.
Oh wow, okay, but there are dozens who and I
totally forgot about them. Businesses I helped start people who
were in need of money, and well, my person actually
kept records of all these people. I bet some of

(01:22:04):
I don't even remember who they are by the name
or the name you need to go collect on the
names of their companies. Well, you can't really. If it's
a personal loan, you know, you can say give me
the money back, and they're not. Either they will or
they won't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
They usually won't.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
If there's a business loan, you know, within a certain
amount of time and through a certain process, you can
write that off, you know, in a way or not.
But anyway, I'm totally amazed at how I've loaned money
to so many people, and that's that money's gone evaporated.
So now when people ask for money, I'm very very

(01:22:38):
careful about that, as.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
You should be. Do you think that this job in
the time that you've been in this job and the
level of success that you've reached has changed the way
that you make friends.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Wow, uh yeah, people who you trust to let into
your inner circle.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
Absolutely, absolutely it's gotten.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Do you think more discerning? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
But you know it's also coming with age because the
older you get, you also start shedding the acquaintances and
you know you're still friendly with them, but they're not
in your circle, and that naturally happens with a lot
of people as they age. So I'm not quite sure
which is the shedding of people because of age versus
the people I just don't want to be around so

(01:23:22):
I don't know or trust. Okay, yeah, no, absolutely this
business has changed that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
I think it would be really tough for it to
not change that. We were talking to Alex Warren not
too long ago about what it's like to make a
friend as an adult, which is hard on its own,
but if you're an adult with a certain level of
perceived success, I would imagine it's even harder because you
would always be wondering is this person genuine? Do you
really want to be my friend? Or do you think
I can give you something? What is this about? And

(01:23:48):
then you see why all of these I'll just use
Justin Bieber as an example. It seems like they're very lonely,
despite the fact that everyone wants to be around them.
I think it would be very difficult to navigate friendship
in that capacity when you're super successful.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Justin Bieber is a good example. I'm look, I've met
him several times and we've had conversations. I've interviewed him.
Are we friends, No, not at all. And you know
we've had nice conversations on the side during and DMS
and things in the past. But you know, it's obvious,
it seems obvious. I'm assuming it seems obviously he made

(01:24:23):
a turn with the people he has around him. He's
he's we know, he's in business. He's turned to a
lot of people off of his his process and off
of his road, his lane. And uh, maybe for great reason,
maybe he learned that he would be a better person

(01:24:44):
if he didn't have so many people in his business.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
I can't imagine what it would be like to just
always have people wanting something, wanting a piece of something,
help me with this, give me this, whatever it is.
I think they'd be very, very stressful, and I Finally,
it took a really long time. I never used understand
the celebrities that were like, put your phone away. If
you're coming to my party, your phone gets checked at
the door. Now I totally get it, because who knows
how many people are just out there trying to take

(01:25:09):
a picture of you doing something naughty and sell it
for their own gain without any consideration for you as
a human.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I think about thatself a lot. It's got to be stressful. Okay,
last thing, and I appreciate you spending so much time
with me, but it's not even a butt. If you
had advice to give me or to give Diamond about
life and about our careers, what advice are you giving?

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Trust your gut?

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
That's it, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
And even if you in trusting your gut, it sends
you down a dark path that needs fixing. You cause
more problems and solving more problems doesn't matter. You're trusting
your gut. You got to trust yourself. You've got to
be your best friend. You've got to be your own advocate,
because no one else is going to do it for
you as well as you will do it for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Can you think of one moment where you trusted your
gut and you are absolutely right in this lifetime, this career.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Yeah, when you asked me to come to this podcast with.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
You, you didn't want to do it, and now I
don't want to do anything.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
But we've been here for way over an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
We have been here for a long time. So thanks.
I appreciate it. But I just think you have so
much to share with people, and people want to hear
from you outside of the show, outside of the person
that you are on the show. I get a lot
of questions about, Hey, what does Elvis think about blah blah.
I'm like, I don't know. Why don't you ask Elvis?
So they've been wanting you for a while and you
decided to do it. So I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
It's an honor to be here. Plus I got to
learn how a real podcast works.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Oh yeah, Is this is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
This what it's like in a real podcast world?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
I don't know. I think all the podcasts are different,
but this was a good one. I was telling you this,
but when we were setting up, there were like four
people in here. I don't think I've ever seen four
people in here setting up for the podcast before. I
think you made them really.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
Yeah, Oh, because I thought that's how it is all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Do you think you made them nervous?

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
Diamond, Yeah, I made people nervous?

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 (01:26:53):
I'm then what do I do that makes people nervous?
I mean, just tell me what am I doing? It
makes people nervous? I mean I throw things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Sometimes you are, well, you throw things. Sometimes you're the boss. Okay,
regardless of what you say. The name of the show
is the Elvistro.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
I'm the loudest person on the show. That's not the boss.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
You are the boss. The name of the network is
the Elvis Duran Podcast Network. So even though you don't
want to be these things, you are these things, and
you very much have the power to change the course
of whatever is happening immediately if you want to, and
everybody knows that. So I think that that could be
nerve wracking for some.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Well, I don't let that bother me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I don't let people.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
Therefore you should not let it bother you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
I don't bother me, but I like it. I'm like,
oh good, I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Love these people who just kind of waltz by during
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Can I just really I would love to implement this.
We have these shades that we never lower ever.

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
Oh forgot about the shade.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
The shades have been there for three years, and all
I want to do because how often do we have
people come by and they stare into these and we
get very distracted because we're trying to have a conversation.
But there's like thirty people looking at us. Why don't
we ever just lower the shades while they're doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:08):
Because we look like assholes if we do that just
one time. She doesn't want to lower the shades unless
they're someone staring at us, and lower the lower the
shades while they're there, while they're there. That is so ashly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Listen, there are other stations around here, other studios that
have them lowered constantly. They are just down all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Yeah, maybe I've never seen them because their shdes are down.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
They're always down, And I'm like, oh, yeah, they have
their privacy. And then I totally totally get why it
says do not tap on the glass at the zoo
because I just think, oh my god, those gorillas they
see us all just standing there, no wonder they're flinging
poop at us. I will really get it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
We approve eyepproved, We approve this studio, We approve this
wall of glass with a walkway next to it. Yeah, okay,
who do we have to blame ourselves?

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I had nothing to do with this, nothing, but I
love it. Well, thank you for spending time with me.
Is there anything that you wanted to say or talk about?

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
Or we've said a lot?

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
I think I'm going Do you have anything you want
to ask? Diamond?

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
Oh, I've got millions of questions for that one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Diamond. First of all, why okay? Well, if people want
to find you on Instagram, where can they find you?

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Uh, Elvis Duran at Elvis Duran on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Yes, and if you all watch the show or see
any of the stuff from the show at Elvis Duran show,
all the podcasts at Elvis Duran podcast Network or just podcasts.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
We don't know. We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Elvis Duran Podcasts Network. Just talk to names.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
It's DPN, isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
It Elvis Duran podcast Now.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
I don't know, I don't know what. Don't ask me
any more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
I'm done.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
I don't have any answers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Your routing number if you don't mind.

Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Oh, please get 'ch your social Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Man, there were so many good questions I didn't even
get to well, then do them. Okay, I'm just gonna
you can just answer these quickly, but these are good.
What's the hardest decision you've made about somebody on the
show that still sits with you? Are there any.

Speaker 5 (01:30:02):
I don't do well at making hard decisions about people
who are still here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
What an answer?

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
Does it make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
Yeah, okay, read the lines.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Do you think that you've ever held somebody back in
professional life or personal life without realizing it? No, I
think you're pretty good at cheerleading for people.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Well, yeah, I may have, but I don't really I
don't realize it. And that was part of the question.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Okay, what do you look for in someone that you
think would be a good addition to the show?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Oh, chemistry, that's a tough that's really hard to do
that because I remember the first day you came in here. Yeah,
I just thought you were you. You just kind of melded,
melded in. Is that the word you melded in? Is
that the word melded melded? You can meld, you can
hold on, melded, melded, work, hold on melded, meaning melded

(01:30:56):
the past tense and past person, which means to blend, blend, merge.
You blended and merged with us.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
When I will never forget my experience coming here because
I came here for something completely different. And then I
met you and Nate and I was like, Oh, they're
super fun. And then you guys invited me to sit
in on the show and I thought, oh, this is amazing. Yeah,
hell yeah, it's sit on the show. And when I
walked out that day, I distinctly remember standing on sixth Avenue,
right outside of our building and thinking, Huh, somebody is

(01:31:27):
going to have the best job of their entire lives
when they hire someone. That person's so lucky. Not a
million years did I think it was going to be me.
And then when I got the call from you on
a date that I very clearly remember, I was like,
what this is insane, like life changing insane. And I
was sitting on the floor of my apartment in Boston,
all by myself, going through absolute hell on that side,

(01:31:47):
and I just sat there and I did this for myself.
I was so excited, and it was because you guys
brought me here, So thanks for that.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
I will tell you that, out of all the people
we talked to, you're the only one that was offered
the job.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Yes, oh my god, that would make me feel so
sad if someone else got it and turn it down.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Who is she?

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
There was anyway? No one else was off for the job.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
All right, Oh, this is a good one. When do
you think you feel most misunderstood? When do you feel
most misunderstood?

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
When people that I don't even know and I shouldn't
even care about their opinions, just start making assumptions about
how I feel about things politics, this, and that. People
are so that they're throwing the dart not even hitting
the wall around the dartboard, and it just it just
pisses me off when people I can't listen to you

(01:32:36):
because you believe blah blah blahh No, I don't, but
any I'm kind of glad you're not listening anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
So never mind, you don't deserve my content. What is
a rumor about you that has been so hilarious you
just had to laugh because it was so untrue?

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Oh god, Uh, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Can you think of one about you? Huh?

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
It goes back to the political stuff. People thought that
I was totally one way when I wasn't. And it
goes back to being misunderstood. But no, a rumor, like
a scandalous rumor, you know, during Me Too movement. Yeah uh,
someone somewhere on Instagram it was no Twitter back then,

(01:33:21):
said well wait to hear what. Elvis Durantz got bubbling
under I'm like what. So I called my attorney and said.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Suthe them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
Because I didn't do anything to anyone. But he said,
leave it alone, because they're idiots. Sue them, suthe them.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
I don't understand why people are afraid of me. Sue them.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Well, I know, but people were people.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:42):
You know when that when METO movement was at its most,
heated a lot of people everywhere being accused of everything.
Oh yeah, I remember one day I went home going,
I can't believe this is Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Someone accused me of whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
And then Alex says, look, if it does ever come
out that you've on something, I will stand behind you.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
You're like, you're missing the headline here.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
I haven't done anything.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
I'm being accused of something.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
And then of course I started saying I started thinking, have
I done something? You know that was a weird time
for everyone?

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Oh oh, I know a rumor? Okay, because I know
that it pissed you off. Somebody accused you of being
on epstein island or on the planes.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
Never.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
You were like, what?

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Never? But I will tell you. I went back to
all my email and did a search for Epstein just
to make sure I never had a conversation about him
or with him, Because I told you, Harvey Weinstein we
had conversations with about a show he was backing on Broadway,
and there's a little email back and forth. I don't
want to be thought about in relation to him or

(01:34:43):
Epstein or anyone. But no, I was never on his island.
I was never on his plane. I never ate babies.
Sue him, sue him.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
It's so funny to me, all right, what Oh, this
is a good one. What is it that you wish
people gave you a little more graceful?

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
I can't think of anything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:35:08):
Can you wish that you hear me bitching? I moaning
about people all the time. I need more ground. I
need people to give me a little slack when it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
To so I think that it was sort of going
back to what we talked about before. I wish that
more people just understood that there's probably a lot that
they missed with the show. And as much as they
feel like they have this full knowledge of everything we've
talked about in a day, they don't. If you haven't
listened for four hours a day every day, you don't
know what we talked about. So instead of coming at

(01:35:37):
us crazy and calling us names and saying all the
things we didn't do, you could ask it as a
question and be a little bit kinder about the delivery,
because just yelling at us about something you think we
didn't do, Yeah, you did it is super irritating. Yeah
there's a tree, and there's a forest. There's a forest.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
There's a tree, and figure out there's a forest that
but you're commenting about one tree.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Yeah. I think that that's annoying. And I think that
that definitely annoys you. I know what annoys me?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
What? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
Wait, where do we go? Okay, what's the most ridiculous
thing you ever pretended to care about on the air?

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
I can't answer that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Are they still a paying client?

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
What else you got?

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
That's my favorite?

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
No, I don't like that one. That's a stupid one.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
What I mean, it's just a dumb question.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
There's like nowhere to go with it. If we replaced
you with AI, how long before listeners noticed?

Speaker 5 (01:36:31):
Please? That's uh god, I mean there are no doubt
never Maybe we already are AI ing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Oh that could be why all the glitches happen because
it's AI. Okay, what's your most irrational pet peeve? About
working with all of us?

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Irrational or irrational? Oh God, let's go rational. Sometimes I
think there's too many voices in the room. Sometimes, Uh,
At the same time, I love having all the voices
in the room. How do you say irrationals? We would
be successful without these voices in the room, does it
make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
I think that's a good one because it is rational
and irrational.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
That's the same thing of a mother of fifteen kids.
Oh god, do you love that or I hate that? Well,
I hate it, but I love it. I love my kids.
They all contribute to our household in my life. At
the same time, there's two big kids.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Okay, that's a great one. Then, because it leads to
the next one. We always joke well, you I wrote
this one. We always joke around about parents having a
favorite kid. Do you have a favorite coworker? Don't say
who it is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:35):
I don't have one. I truly don't see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
Then why do we think the parents have to have
a favorite kid?

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
Well, some of them don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Okay, When people talk to you twenty years from now,
what do you hope that they get right about the
legacy you left behind?

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
Well, I don't care. I'll be ninety years old, it'll
be eighty one. Okay, what was the question again? I
wasn't paying attention. I'm too old.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
When people talk about you twenty years from now, what
do you hope they get right about your legacy?

Speaker 5 (01:38:05):
It must be twelve noon. At twelve noon, the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Door locks loudly, the cage.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
No one can come in. And Okay, in twenty years,
what do I hope people get right about my legacy?

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
I don't. I can't answer that. What do you think
your legacy is? You talk about this all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
I firmly believe we all are, you know, are just
farting legacies wherever we go and leave them on the
road behind us. I think the legacy I love is
we used to love listening to that show on that station,
and I laughed and they made me feel good on
the way to work. I can't remember the name of
that guy for the life of me, but I love

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listening to his show. That's the legacy I want to leave.
I don't need it. You don't have to have to
remember my name. Just remember how you felt when you listened.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
To our show, that guy with that show, that guy
with that show. Okay, and this is a good one
to end on. If everything doesn't here tomorrow, as far
as this show goes, what's the part? What's the part
of it? You would miss the most.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Being here with you guys all because you know, and
I learned this during COVID and another story I've told
a million times.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
You know, I was home.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
Alone on a farm with a dog, and then we
would come on the air of the morning and talk
about COVID talk. It would laugh together, we would cry together,
or whatever, and then at ten o'clock I would turn
it off and all of you guys would disappear. You
were my you were my breath, you were my oxygen.
And it was so lonely. And I think about that now,

(01:39:34):
even in a city with fifty trillion people, it's a
lonely city out there. If I didn't have you guys
every morning as my family, the people I laugh with
and people I argue with and whatever, I would be lost.
I would miss that. That's what I would miss the most.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Same like, I really enjoy coming in here, even on
days that I'm having a really tough day. It's hard
to continue having a to when you work with a
pile of assholes who will make you laugh and make
fun of you and say things like, yeah, I definitely
pictured you and your boyfriend having sex yesterday. Oh my god, yes,
now I'm distracted.

Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
I know, especially that asshole in the corner over there.
Oh diamond is the word, Hi, diamond, you make all asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Apartment all the way, diamond, whatever you.

Speaker 5 (01:40:18):
Need, your friend, I called you an asshole, so you
can sue me.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
I'm just gonna take all those questions and then put
them in the middle so that we still have that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:27):
Is that all the questions?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
All the questions?

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
Now, did people actually submit those or you just came
up with those on your own?

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
I would like reward some of them so that I
came across more. But yeah, people ask some really good questions.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
Thank you for having me I'm very, very honored to
have been invited.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Thank you for being Is there anything that you want
me to cut out? Nope, And there you have it,
our man, Elvis Duran. What was your favorite part?

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
Oh, definitely when he holds his lawyer to sue them
to not attend them all.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
I want that kind of power me too.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
When you asked him the price of eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Okay, this man don't think you know he does it,
and you know what, I appreciate it because some people
they don't need to know, they don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
I dream of a day that I don't look at
price tags. And let me tell you, going going places
with him stresses me out for this exact reason, because
I aspire to one day be that way. Because hanging
out with him stresses me out for multiple reasons, like
I will want to pay for something and he never
wants me to pay, not because he doesn't want me
to pay, but because I don't tip four hundred and

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fifty two percent. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
You worry too much because I just crossed my legs
and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Pay for Okay. I don't get invited as much. I
don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Why Why am I digging in my pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
When I'm sitting next to a millionaire, I just think,
every now and then, like he does so much for
me that every now and then I can buy a
damned you know what I mean, I can buy a
birthday dinner. I can do it. But then he's like,
did you tip him ten thousand dollars? I'm like, now,
what the bill was eighty four?

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
I want to be tipped ten thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
So why not. I've seen the man do it. It's wild.
It's wild. And also if I like look at a
price tag of something, say, why are you looking at that?
Like what? That's what people do? People look at price tags.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
No, you should say, you're right, I shouldn't because I'm
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
Yeah, you know what I think I'd do if I
had like massive amounts of money and he does do this,
but I would just walk by and like do nice
things for people, like, oh you're looking at that purse?

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
Get it? Wow? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Oh please. I'd also be a menace to society.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
You know what I want to do one day?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
Tell me walk down you know like sometimes the meter
maid parking people whatever, they just go down a whole
street and give everybody ticket.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
Yeah, I want to pay everybody's ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Oh that'd be nice.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Yeah, it would be nice too. Bad people are not
good people. So you just don't know whose ticket you're paying.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
Oh this is good. You want to bet them? Yeah?
Who did you for?

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Literally? Because I know you don't believe in handouts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Yeah, in the Starbucks line, I don't know if I'm
paying for your coffee, you couldn't know who you're voted for.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
I start doing that, just turn around, Hey who'd you
vote for?

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
They answer, Oh really, I will buy their coffee? Yes, yeah,
it won't start any problems whatsoever. All right, If people
want to find you online, where do they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
At?

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Diamond sincere and I am at Baby Hot Sauce. Thank
you for listening to the podcast. Follow us on Instagram
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do that, you don't have to go seek us out.
We'll be back. Say bye, Diamond Bye.