Today, we get into actress Emmy Rossum’s experience with IVF, a pregnant woman’s near Final Destination moment, the benefit of c-section babies eating their mother’s poop, and a woman who gave birth asleep.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about some crazy stories involving pregnancy and childbirth.
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The first is about an actress named a shameless actress
named Emily Rossam who opened up about her crazy IVF experience.
Then a freak accident involving a woman who was or
while she was pregnant with twins and was nearly impelled
to death while driving. And then we'll talk about everyone's
biggest fear during childbirth, which is pooping yourself. Well that
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poop might actually be helping your baby. Then we'll finish
up with a really rare and unusual situation where a
woman unknowingly gave earth in the hospital. All that and
more on today's episode. Ray Let's start with Emily Rossom.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, her name's Emmy, not Emily, so that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
For whatever, what's the difference.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She went on call her daddy and she was talking
about her experience with IVF and revealed that she had
seventy two eggs revealed in a single retrieved in a
single cycle. That is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It is so I was, I was, I think, I
don't know that that's necessarily outrageous, because I've heard of
that happening before. I think the outrageous part for me
was that she had seventy two eggs retrieved and the
doctor said that they fertilized all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah. I mean, that's like, you know, when you go
through IVF, it's really hard to think about everybody else's
numbers because you're constantly seeing on TikTok, like all these
people are getting a lot. I know a couple of
people that got like well into their thirties. When I
had my egg retrieval, I only got ten, and seven
of them were mature, and then six of them were fertilized,
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and then three became or no. Two became blasticists, and
then one became a viable embryo. So it's like every
every single step of the way, the number keeps trickling
down and then you get so little compared to where
you started. Right like I started with ten, I ended
up with one, And for some people it's like they
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get thirty eggs and then they end up with two.
Every you know, like you just never know. But to
see that she had like in her seventies. That's outrageous.
And I can't imagine how much pain she was in
after the egg retrieval because they say the more you
get taken out, the more painful it is.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And also, let's say she only had ten percent of
them fertilized, right, you're just thinking, like, that's kind of
a lot to have. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's
good to have them as back up, but then what
if you decide that you don't want to have seven
kids or whatever?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, that just means so when they say they fertilized,
like that doesn't necessarily mean they turned into embryos. So
I actually wonder how many embryos.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but I'm saying even if
ten percent of them survived, Yeah, it's still a lot.
It's a lot to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And then what seven embryos, Like that is a lot.
I mean, it's just crazy because like I can't imagine
a different scenario because I only had my one, right,
But then like I have a friend that has twelve
right now, So it's like insane.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So if you don't obviously she's not going to have
twelve kids, I hope, So what do you do? What
do you do with the rest of them? They you
just like donate them or destroy them or what, well,
you keep them in storage. And the first important thing
to note is that sometimes the embryo transfer doesn't take.
So if that happens, then you don't you know, it's
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not viable. So like some people have extras for that,
and then you'll have as many kids as you want.
And then at the end of it, it's like when
you before you even do it, at least at my clinic,
I designed all this paperwork saying what we were going
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So, yeah, you could either have them destroyed or you
can donate them to another couple to use or which
don I guess that's weird because then essentially it's your
child's like full sibling. Yeah, I mean it just I
guess it just depends on how okay with it you
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are and like knowing that your kid's gonna have a
full sibling out there potentially. Or you could donate it
to research. So they promised with that that that embryo
will never become like an actual child, but they will
use it to research other Oh that's postysting. So that's
actually the route we took, but I only I didn't
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even have any extra so that didn't matter in my case.
But before I knew what I was gonna yield, that's
the option I took because I'm just like if I
could at least like help somebody else, you know, because
somebody donated their so I was able to do it. Yeah,
that's it. I think that that's smart. So she had
Emily or Emma, Emmy, whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
She had, well, she said she had PCOS, which is
now called pm OS or polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome. They
just changed it recently. Remember we talked about that because
it hasn't been confined to the ovary ever. It's been
a full body thing, so they're kind of changing it
because of that. So she had something when when they
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were giving her the medications. The reason that she had
so many eggs is because she has these polycystic ovaries,
so she's at a more increased risk to get more eggs.
And she had something that nobody really ever wants to get,
which is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome. And the reason I say
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that is because we actually have a case in the
gross room that's called IVY death, and it involves this
very situation where the person made their ovaries were so
hyper stimulated that one of the eggs actually ruptured inside
of the woman and she ended up bleeding to death
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internally and dying. So that is one of the rare,
rare complications, but it can happen, so it's it's it's
something to be taken seriously. And also it's extremely painful
from what I hear.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, I mean I can't I really can't imagine how
much pain she was in after this, because like your
ovaries like essentially become the size of grapefruits right before
your egg ritrieval, and it's not comfortable at all, your
very own rape fruits.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That seems really big. Is that what they said?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Because that's yeah, but huge. A normal ovary is like
the size of a quarter, a little bit bigger, like
you're saying, maybe, like I feel like you're exaggerating, Like
I'm not no way that they get that big because
maybe like an orange, like they're huge, Like I can't
even explain it. And it's not natural because you're taking
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all these drugs and make them that huge, and then
the more you take out, the more painful. It is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, they're sticking like a syringe in they're and
taking each one out individually. I can't even imagine how
long this took to get all of them out. And
it seems like a total nightmare.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It seems like a nightmare for the for the doctor
or the technician who has to do all that. That's
what I was thinking too, Like you can luck out
and get a person like you that only has ten
and then seventy two, Like that's like a whole day
is worth the work just for one patient. I guess.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I guess they want the highest yield. But like when
I did it, I did go every single morning at
six o'clock in the morning and my blood taken in
an ultra sound to see like where I was at.
And I feel like if they saw she was such
a high number already, they should have just did it there.
Like they decide what day they're going to do it
based on what things are looking like.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's talk about this next case, which is
a really crazy accident. We did have a case this
week in Monday's Morbid Minute of a woman who was
driving and a bolt went through her windshield and embedded
in the headrest right next to her head, which would
have definitely killed her, because essentially, some a large piece
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of metal flying at you at seventy or eighty miles
an hour is like getting shot or or at least
like a shrapnel injury, So and hitting you in the
head at that speed would have been catastrophic. So luckily
it missed her. And this is actually crazy that we
have two of these cases this week because yesterday we
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were driving home from the city and there was this person.
I actually took a picture of it. I'll post it
on my Instagram story. There was this person that had
like a big thing of hey, you know that you
would use at like U for a display at a
like Haunted hay Ride or something. Yes, it was like
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huge across the back of their pickup truck to the
point where number one, it was making their truck snk
to the ground, and number two, it literally blocked the
entire back window and mirrors, so this person couldn't see
behind them at all, and they're driving. It wasn't secure,
it's just sitting up there like. It was so ridiculous,
And we were only on one thirty in traffic going
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twenty five miles an hour, but like, if this person
was driving, it could have been a serious speaking just
like have to wonder what the hell is wrong with
people for doing shit like that. Speaking of one thirty,
like we've talked about on here before, how on this
road near where we live, there's always people and like
motorized wheelchairs just in the middle of the like major
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road driving and then somebody posted on one of your
Facebook groups and somebody got hit, right, yeah, I mean,
finally that was a about to happen. So there's a
it's not a nursing home. I think it's one of
those like assisted living places.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But they could come and go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
They could come and go if they want, but there's
no real like formal sidewalk there, especially if you're trying
to go to like wah wah or something, because I
assume like that's where they would want to go. There's
not really anything else there unless they just want to
get out, but then they should just cruise around in
the parking lot. I don't know. And these people like
drive their little jazzy chairs or larks whatever people call
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them into the middle of I mean, it's a three
lane highway essentially that has traffic lights, but it's I mean,
there's pedestrian desks on it every single day. And fine, finally,
I mean there's been multiple times that I'm driving fifty
sixty miles an hour and all of a sudden, I
have to quickly divert because there's a person coming towards
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me in a jazzy chair. It's like completely ridiculous that
I have to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Or the person driving in front of you is the
person in the wheelchair, and then they move and you
don't see, like, oh my god, a human's like driving
in the middle of this car lane all of a sudden.
But yeah, I just wanted to bring it up because
we talked about it on here before. But there's another
case of this this week. I mean, these are like
final destination moments to me because they could just happen
to anybody. But this metal bar flew through the windshield
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of this band, which struck a pregnant woman in her belly,
but somehow her and her onborn twins escaped serious injury.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I mean, and listen, it just it just could
have been like the angle or how. I don't know
that it even mentioned how fast she was driving. Maybe
she wasn't driving that fast, but if it had punctured,
because it doesn't. It sounds like it hit her abdomen,
but it didn't actually puncture it because if it did,
she could have had placental abruption that it could have
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just instantly killed one of the babies. That could have
killed her, which wouldn't have then potentially killed the babies.
It doesn't say how far pregnant she was either a
correct no, it didn't disclay because I mean there is
a difference between obviously if she was eight or nine
weeks pregnant versus being like forty weeks pregnant, you know,
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like yeah, as far as how big her belly was
when it got hit and things like that. So god,
it's so scary though. I just can't even imagine going
through that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So I was surprised by the statistics on this that
unsecured loads can cause up to two hundred thousand crashes.
Oh it's yeah, just a few years I thought it
was saying two hudred thousand crashes a year. I was like,
that is outrageous number, but it's still resulting in hundreds
of deaths and thousands.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Of Yeah, I mean you could see that. I always
tell the story of when I was a kid, there
was like some some person's dad in our neighborhood that
died from a ladder falling off of a truck in
front of them, Like there was something that had to
do with that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, and then the absolute worst case scenario is one
of those like trucks that carries all those cars and
I just always got that thload in the middle of
the street. I hate driving near this.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I now I do too, Like you're just like there's
going to be a car that falls on top of me.
All right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This headline is ridiculous. It says eating a tiny bit
of mom's poop could give C section babies an immune primer.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I mean it's kind of true, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Explain it because like I all right, explain it because
I'm just having a hard time with this because I
just had a baby VC section.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So they studied This was a research study done by
It was described by Science Journal. So mothers were screened
for infectious diseases and harmful organisms and given they actually
took the poop of a baby that was born VSA
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section and gave it to the baby to see if
it improved their gi health and their their microbiome. So
your microbiome is when, especially when you're born, you don't
really have one, right, And what it is is it's
just healthy bacteria that grow inside of your belly that
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help you digest food better overall good health. It really
helps with the permeability of your gi track and what
kind of you know, toxins from the foods you're eating
or getting absorbed that could cause inflammation and things like that. Right,
So that's when you talk about having healthy gut health,
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that's what you're talking about, like having healthy bacteria inside
of your belly. So they've known for quite some time
that when you have a vaginal birth that these babies
that have been studied have a better microbiome than babies
that are born via sea section. And the reason is
is because when the mom or when the baby goes
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through the birth canal, they're being exposed to some level
of poop from their mom when they're coming through, and
they think that that is they think that's why potentially
vaginal born babies have a better microbiome than ones that
are born with a sea section. So in this particular experiment,
they were like, hey, what would happen if we gave
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the baby that was born via sea section some of
the mom's poop and maybe their microbiome would be as
good as ones that are born vaginally. So they screened
the poop to just to make sure that there was
nothing in it that was going to make the baby sick,
like like salmonella or something, you know, anything like that.
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They diluted the fecal material and mixed it into breast
milk and gave it to the newborn shortly after birth.
And then they found that babies that were born via
c section developed a gut microbiome that was similar to
those of vaginally delivered infants.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I mean, listen, this is cool and everything that they
figured this out, but I'm thinking about the mothers that
like volunteered their babies to try this out. I just
think it's too much of a risk for me.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean it is a risk, but it's it
is interesting because if you think about it, like even
with the baby, like he's he's having some gi issues,
you know, and you're kind of like, hmm, I wonder
if it would be a little bit better, like you
you know what I mean, Like you just don't know.
And also, like Lilian had gi issues and she was
born for a vaginal birth, so like it's hard to
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say if it would be better. I just think I
think it is kind of it's kind of interesting and
it's kind of cool research. So I would before trying
it if they really show that it makes a difference,
I mean why not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And you said in the intro of this episode, like
everybody's worse fears pooping while giving birth. Like the way
I approached it going and was just like, what's gonna happen,
is gonna happen. Sorry that you and Ricky had to
see all my wily foods going out and whatever, but
like it is what it is. You can't control it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It, I know. But just talking to any person that
I know that's ever given birth, they're they're scared that
that's going to happen. I was really just like it's
just it's like I understand that it's a normal part
of it, but it still doesn't make it less embarrassing
to think about, like even in front of a nurse,
Like especially nurses have seen everything. It doesn't even phase them.
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And I understand that because let's say, for example, like
I see dead people naked all the time, right, it
like doesn't phase me. I don't think about it at all.
I don't care. I like, I don't get weird about
stuff like that. I'm completely desensitized to anything that's gross
or anything. So I understand nurses are the same way.
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It's not like you might bump into them at the
mall and they they're they're gonna be like, oh, that's
the girl that like shit all over the place. They
just don't. They just don't think like that, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Except those ones that were taking pictures of the discharge
stains on like the paper at the guid to College's office. Yeah,
I'm just like that was that was so weird. That
was so weird. I don't know, Like for me, the
most embarrassing part was like crying as bad as it
was when my affatoorial were off, and when the antistesiologist
came back and it was like, I think it moved.
We might have to give it to you again, And
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I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Because I'm
not rude, like.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
At least at least at least he was at least
he was fast.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I know. It was just that's what I was embarrassed.
But I mean you were making fun of me because
I was like, I'm gonna get on all fours and
try to push, and I did, and he was just
like I could never do it because it's like embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, my asshole up in the air for everyone to say. Sorry,
who cares? I mean, it hurts so bad. Just like,
do whatever you have to do. Try to get the
baby out safely, because I want to look cute at
all times.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Nothing about it is cool. Like the last time childbirth
was cute was in the sixties when they used to
just knock you out and you'd wake up and have
a martini in your hand, like that was it? Okay,
do you sorry that this is the most ridiculous thing
you've ever heard? This? Next story?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I do actually, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So this woman reportedly gave birth well asleep, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So this happened in Canada. So this mom was tested
positive for groupie straps. So they check you for that
before you have I don't know what, what thirty seven
weeks or thirty like right before your checked it towards
the end, yeah, like when you're almost ready to have
the baby and they check it because it's a concern
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that if you have a vaginal birth, that you could
pass this on to the baby who could then get
like a serious infection from it. And it's it's not bad.
It's just like some women have it, some women don't.
So if you have it, they give you antibiotics. But
in this particular case, they said, Okay, we want to
deliver you early because of this, and they gave so
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they gave her the medicine, they gave her this epidural
and stuff. Now, I think the most important part to
say about this is she already had a history of
having children, so and I feel like most people would
agree that if you've already had one baby, especially if
they're pretty close together, the other one like slides out
really fast. Right for the most part, that it's not
everyone's experience, but a lot of women that have multiple
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children say that. So she gets this epidoral and she
falls asleep for two hours, which you could understand because
when you got your epidoral, like you didn't feel anything
for hours, no, right, so you totally could have fall asleep.
So she falls asleep, and then she wakes up and
realizes that the fetal heart monitor is not on anymore,
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and emergency calls the nurse. The nurse comes in and
there's like a couple moments where everybody is like freaking
the hell out because there's no fetal heart tones anymore,
which I think is weird because isn't that being monitored
from the nursing station. If I'm I'm pretty sure it is,
that's not something that the patient's in charge of monitoring. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
In my case, I mean, I had like all those
monitors hooked up that went to the nursing station, and
anytime they went off because they put this like wireless
NST thing on me at some point and it just
kept detaching and every time it went off, they came
in immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, So that's what I think is a little bit
weird about this. So they're like ripping off her blankets,
checking off dude, doing all this stuff, and then they
see that the freaking baby was delivered and was in
the blankets, like she had the baby, and I can
see this, Like, i know a lot of people think
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that this sounds outrageous, but I'm telling you, Like when
I had Lucea, her gestational interval was only eighteen months
from Lilian. It was like and I didn't have an epidoral,
so the pain was there for the contractions, but I
swear to God, I just was like ugh, and she
came out like I barely, Like I've like went to
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the bathroom harder than that, Like it barely happened. So
I see that, especially if you have an epidoral, like
how easy that could be. But this baby could have died.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, yeah, so I think like what I learned going
to public floor therapy the last year was the therapist
was just explaining that your uterus is doing most of
the work right, like when you're pushing, like you're kind
of just like helping the uterus do its job, like
you're not really that much in control of it. So
she didn't need to push per se for the baby
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to come out, Like the uterus just did its job
and pushed the baby out. I can see this from
a perspective of being at a point in my epidoral
where I was that completely numb. But at the same time,
because I was so numb, I was not left unattended.
Remember they were in there and they were watching the
contractions on the monitor, and then when the contraction will
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come up, they try to get me the push because
I couldn't feel anything at all.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I see that she but
she probably wasn't at that point yet. So I understand.
I understand like her not being attended because she had
an epit First of all, she was induced and she
had an epidoral and was and fell asleep. That's normal.
I guess. The part for me is like as soon
as those fetal heart tones weren't detected, it's it's weird
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that the mom realized it before the nurses did.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well. Then I believe they can see like how close
the contractions are together on the monitor and that that
should be being monitored as well from the nursing station. Yeah,
at least in my case. I mean, if this is
in Canada, I don't know, they have a different healthcare system,
they might do things differently, but from the baby.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And so the babies like face down in the blankets
and not crying or anything. I mean, luckily the nurse
stimulated the baby and like the baby started crying.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, but like this could have been really bad.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, it really could have been, and it's it's so crazy,
Like I mean, I always love a good a good
birth story. Who just told me? I think one of
my friends just told me she had her kid like
in her car at her house or some shit.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh, I know what you're talking about. Who they said this?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I think it was my neighbor, right, Yes, I do
think it was. And I was just like, wait, what
I need to know more about it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I do think it was your neighbor.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I have to ask her, like I have to do
like a serious interview with her and be like I
need details of this whole entire thing. I mean, but
wasn't it because we were talking about like didn't she
go to the hospital and they told her like it
wasn't time yet and she went home. It was like
one of those things because they always send you home
when it's not time yet.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, but didn't they do that to you too? You
know what I've learned recently, which I absolutely can't believe,
is that you can go get the balloon put in
you and they'll send you home, which I can't believe that.
Ricky said one of his clients was telling them that like,
oh yeah, my wife went in and got the balloon and
then they told us to come back in like a
couple hours.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But why why would you why would you need to
stay there. I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm just thinking because when I got it, it was
so incredibly painful. And then within a couple like within
six hours of getting it, I mean, it fell out
and there was so much blood and everything, Like I
can't imagine being home and that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, Like I mean that would scare you. I guess
unless they told you like that was normal. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I just thought that.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm assuming, like shoving something up your starvex is traumatic
and causes bleeding. Like I don't know, I mean it
was blood, is it's coming from your starvex? I'm assuming yeah,
because like I just stood up.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm sorry this is graphy for everybody, but you should
be used to my oversharing by now. But I stood
up to go to the bathroom. And I went to
the bathroom and it was fine, and then I was
like walking around the room because I've been laying down
a while, and then all of a sudden, like I
feel like moisture on my legs and I looked down.
It was just like harm be like status for me anyway,
it was like so much and then the nurse was
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just like it's okay, this is normal, and I'm like,
this is normal, it's like kind of really scary. What
I'm taking away from the story is I'm kind of
jealous because this seems pretty ideal that you don't even
remember considering the Baboo's totally okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, wow, it's I mean, it's a cool story to
talk about later, but scary during the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's pretty outrageous. So like, what are we taking away
from this episode is like our new mother's see section
mother's going to feed their children poop and I would
I would it was, And I guess, I don't know.
I think the thing with the epidural was they're saying
it's so rare that something like this would happen, So
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I don't know. You really are at a point through
some of it where you can't feel a single thing,
so I could. I guess I could understand it happening,
but I can't understand the monitors not being overseen by
the nursing ye But whatever, all right, guys, thank you
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone,
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about some crazy stories involving pregnancy and childbirth.
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The first is about an actress named a shameless actress
named Emily Rossam who opened up about her crazy IVF experience.
Then a freak accident involving a woman who was or
while she was pregnant with twins and was nearly impelled
to death while driving. And then we'll talk about everyone's
biggest fear during childbirth, which is pooping yourself. Well that
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poop might actually be helping your baby. Then we'll finish
up with a really rare and unusual situation where a
woman unknowingly gave earth in the hospital. All that and
more on today's episode. Ray Let's start with Emily Rossom.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, her name's Emmy, not Emily, so that's true.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
For whatever, what's the difference.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
She went on call her daddy and she was talking
about her experience with IVF and revealed that she had
seventy two eggs revealed in a single retrieved in a
single cycle. That is outrageous.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It is so I was, I was, I think, I
don't know that that's necessarily outrageous, because I've heard of
that happening before. I think the outrageous part for me
was that she had seventy two eggs retrieved and the
doctor said that they fertilized all of them.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah. I mean, that's like, you know, when you go
through IVF, it's really hard to think about everybody else's
numbers because you're constantly seeing on TikTok, like all these
people are getting a lot. I know a couple of
people that got like well into their thirties. When I
had my egg retrieval, I only got ten, and seven
of them were mature, and then six of them were fertilized,
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and then three became or no. Two became blasticists, and
then one became a viable embryo. So it's like every
every single step of the way, the number keeps trickling
down and then you get so little compared to where
you started. Right like I started with ten, I ended
up with one, And for some people it's like they
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get thirty eggs and then they end up with two.
Every you know, like you just never know. But to
see that she had like in her seventies. That's outrageous.
And I can't imagine how much pain she was in
after the egg retrieval because they say the more you
get taken out, the more painful it is.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And also, let's say she only had ten percent of
them fertilized, right, you're just thinking, like, that's kind of
a lot to have. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's
good to have them as back up, but then what
if you decide that you don't want to have seven
kids or whatever?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
No, that just means so when they say they fertilized,
like that doesn't necessarily mean they turned into embryos. So
I actually wonder how many embryos.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but I'm saying even if
ten percent of them survived, Yeah, it's still a lot.
It's a lot to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And then what seven embryos, Like that is a lot.
I mean, it's just crazy because like I can't imagine
a different scenario because I only had my one, right,
But then like I have a friend that has twelve
right now, So it's like insane.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So if you don't obviously she's not going to have
twelve kids, I hope, So what do you do? What
do you do with the rest of them? They you
just like donate them or destroy them or what, well,
you keep them in storage. And the first important thing
to note is that sometimes the embryo transfer doesn't take.
So if that happens, then you don't you know, it's
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not viable. So like some people have extras for that,
and then you'll have as many kids as you want.
And then at the end of it, it's like when
you before you even do it, at least at my clinic,
I designed all this paperwork saying what we were going
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So, yeah, you could either have them destroyed or you
can donate them to another couple to use or which
don I guess that's weird because then essentially it's your
child's like full sibling. Yeah, I mean it just I
guess it just depends on how okay with it you
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are and like knowing that your kid's gonna have a
full sibling out there potentially. Or you could donate it
to research. So they promised with that that that embryo
will never become like an actual child, but they will
use it to research other Oh that's postysting. So that's
actually the route we took, but I only I didn't
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even have any extra so that didn't matter in my case.
But before I knew what I was gonna yield, that's
the option I took because I'm just like if I
could at least like help somebody else, you know, because
somebody donated their so I was able to do it. Yeah,
that's it. I think that that's smart. So she had
Emily or Emma, Emmy, whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
She had, well, she said she had PCOS, which is
now called pm OS or polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome. They
just changed it recently. Remember we talked about that because
it hasn't been confined to the ovary ever. It's been
a full body thing, so they're kind of changing it
because of that. So she had something when when they
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were giving her the medications. The reason that she had
so many eggs is because she has these polycystic ovaries,
so she's at a more increased risk to get more eggs.
And she had something that nobody really ever wants to get,
which is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome. And the reason I say
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that is because we actually have a case in the
gross room that's called IVY death, and it involves this
very situation where the person made their ovaries were so
hyper stimulated that one of the eggs actually ruptured inside
of the woman and she ended up bleeding to death
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internally and dying. So that is one of the rare,
rare complications, but it can happen, so it's it's it's
something to be taken seriously. And also it's extremely painful
from what I hear.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, I mean I can't I really can't imagine how
much pain she was in after this, because like your
ovaries like essentially become the size of grapefruits right before
your egg ritrieval, and it's not comfortable at all, your
very own rape fruits.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
That seems really big. Is that what they said?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Because that's yeah, but huge. A normal ovary is like
the size of a quarter, a little bit bigger, like
you're saying, maybe, like I feel like you're exaggerating, Like
I'm not no way that they get that big because
maybe like an orange, like they're huge, Like I can't
even explain it. And it's not natural because you're taking
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all these drugs and make them that huge, and then
the more you take out, the more painful. It is.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I mean, they're sticking like a syringe in they're and
taking each one out individually. I can't even imagine how
long this took to get all of them out. And
it seems like a total nightmare.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It seems like a nightmare for the for the doctor
or the technician who has to do all that. That's
what I was thinking too, Like you can luck out
and get a person like you that only has ten
and then seventy two, Like that's like a whole day
is worth the work just for one patient. I guess.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I guess they want the highest yield. But like when
I did it, I did go every single morning at
six o'clock in the morning and my blood taken in
an ultra sound to see like where I was at.
And I feel like if they saw she was such
a high number already, they should have just did it there.
Like they decide what day they're going to do it
based on what things are looking like.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's talk about this next case, which is
a really crazy accident. We did have a case this
week in Monday's Morbid Minute of a woman who was
driving and a bolt went through her windshield and embedded
in the headrest right next to her head, which would
have definitely killed her, because essentially, some a large piece
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of metal flying at you at seventy or eighty miles
an hour is like getting shot or or at least
like a shrapnel injury, So and hitting you in the
head at that speed would have been catastrophic. So luckily
it missed her. And this is actually crazy that we
have two of these cases this week because yesterday we
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were driving home from the city and there was this person.
I actually took a picture of it. I'll post it
on my Instagram story. There was this person that had
like a big thing of hey, you know that you
would use at like U for a display at a
like Haunted hay Ride or something. Yes, it was like
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huge across the back of their pickup truck to the
point where number one, it was making their truck snk
to the ground, and number two, it literally blocked the
entire back window and mirrors, so this person couldn't see
behind them at all, and they're driving. It wasn't secure,
it's just sitting up there like. It was so ridiculous,
And we were only on one thirty in traffic going
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twenty five miles an hour, but like, if this person
was driving, it could have been a serious speaking just
like have to wonder what the hell is wrong with
people for doing shit like that. Speaking of one thirty,
like we've talked about on here before, how on this
road near where we live, there's always people and like
motorized wheelchairs just in the middle of the like major
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road driving and then somebody posted on one of your
Facebook groups and somebody got hit, right, yeah, I mean,
finally that was a about to happen. So there's a
it's not a nursing home. I think it's one of
those like assisted living places.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But they could come and go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
They could come and go if they want, but there's
no real like formal sidewalk there, especially if you're trying
to go to like wah wah or something, because I
assume like that's where they would want to go. There's
not really anything else there unless they just want to
get out, but then they should just cruise around in
the parking lot. I don't know. And these people like
drive their little jazzy chairs or larks whatever people call
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them into the middle of I mean, it's a three
lane highway essentially that has traffic lights, but it's I mean,
there's pedestrian desks on it every single day. And fine, finally,
I mean there's been multiple times that I'm driving fifty
sixty miles an hour and all of a sudden, I
have to quickly divert because there's a person coming towards
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me in a jazzy chair. It's like completely ridiculous that
I have to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Or the person driving in front of you is the
person in the wheelchair, and then they move and you
don't see, like, oh my god, a human's like driving
in the middle of this car lane all of a sudden.
But yeah, I just wanted to bring it up because
we talked about it on here before. But there's another
case of this this week. I mean, these are like
final destination moments to me because they could just happen
to anybody. But this metal bar flew through the windshield
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of this band, which struck a pregnant woman in her belly,
but somehow her and her onborn twins escaped serious injury.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, I mean, and listen, it just it just could
have been like the angle or how. I don't know
that it even mentioned how fast she was driving. Maybe
she wasn't driving that fast, but if it had punctured,
because it doesn't. It sounds like it hit her abdomen,
but it didn't actually puncture it because if it did,
she could have had placental abruption that it could have
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just instantly killed one of the babies. That could have
killed her, which wouldn't have then potentially killed the babies.
It doesn't say how far pregnant she was either a
correct no, it didn't disclay because I mean there is
a difference between obviously if she was eight or nine
weeks pregnant versus being like forty weeks pregnant, you know,
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like yeah, as far as how big her belly was
when it got hit and things like that. So god,
it's so scary though. I just can't even imagine going
through that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So I was surprised by the statistics on this that
unsecured loads can cause up to two hundred thousand crashes.
Oh it's yeah, just a few years I thought it
was saying two hudred thousand crashes a year. I was like,
that is outrageous number, but it's still resulting in hundreds
of deaths and thousands.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Of Yeah, I mean you could see that. I always
tell the story of when I was a kid, there
was like some some person's dad in our neighborhood that
died from a ladder falling off of a truck in
front of them, Like there was something that had to
do with that.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, and then the absolute worst case scenario is one
of those like trucks that carries all those cars and
I just always got that thload in the middle of
the street. I hate driving near this.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I now I do too, Like you're just like there's
going to be a car that falls on top of me.
All right.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This headline is ridiculous. It says eating a tiny bit
of mom's poop could give C section babies an immune primer.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I mean it's kind of true, all right, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Explain it because like I all right, explain it because
I'm just having a hard time with this because I
just had a baby VC section.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So they studied This was a research study done by
It was described by Science Journal. So mothers were screened
for infectious diseases and harmful organisms and given they actually
took the poop of a baby that was born VSA
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section and gave it to the baby to see if
it improved their gi health and their their microbiome. So
your microbiome is when, especially when you're born, you don't
really have one, right, And what it is is it's
just healthy bacteria that grow inside of your belly that
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help you digest food better overall good health. It really
helps with the permeability of your gi track and what
kind of you know, toxins from the foods you're eating
or getting absorbed that could cause inflammation and things like that. Right,
So that's when you talk about having healthy gut health,
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that's what you're talking about, like having healthy bacteria inside
of your belly. So they've known for quite some time
that when you have a vaginal birth that these babies
that have been studied have a better microbiome than babies
that are born via sea section. And the reason is
is because when the mom or when the baby goes
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through the birth canal, they're being exposed to some level
of poop from their mom when they're coming through, and
they think that that is they think that's why potentially
vaginal born babies have a better microbiome than ones that
are born with a sea section. So in this particular experiment,
they were like, hey, what would happen if we gave
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the baby that was born via sea section some of
the mom's poop and maybe their microbiome would be as
good as ones that are born vaginally. So they screened
the poop to just to make sure that there was
nothing in it that was going to make the baby sick,
like like salmonella or something, you know, anything like that.
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They diluted the fecal material and mixed it into breast
milk and gave it to the newborn shortly after birth.
And then they found that babies that were born via
c section developed a gut microbiome that was similar to
those of vaginally delivered infants.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I mean, listen, this is cool and everything that they
figured this out, but I'm thinking about the mothers that
like volunteered their babies to try this out. I just
think it's too much of a risk for me.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, I mean it is a risk, but it's it
is interesting because if you think about it, like even
with the baby, like he's he's having some gi issues,
you know, and you're kind of like, hmm, I wonder
if it would be a little bit better, like you
you know what I mean, Like you just don't know.
And also, like Lilian had gi issues and she was
born for a vaginal birth, so like it's hard to
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say if it would be better. I just think I
think it is kind of it's kind of interesting and
it's kind of cool research. So I would before trying
it if they really show that it makes a difference,
I mean why not.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And you said in the intro of this episode, like
everybody's worse fears pooping while giving birth. Like the way
I approached it going and was just like, what's gonna happen,
is gonna happen. Sorry that you and Ricky had to
see all my wily foods going out and whatever, but
like it is what it is. You can't control it.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It, I know. But just talking to any person that
I know that's ever given birth, they're they're scared that
that's going to happen. I was really just like it's
just it's like I understand that it's a normal part
of it, but it still doesn't make it less embarrassing
to think about, like even in front of a nurse,
Like especially nurses have seen everything. It doesn't even phase them.
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And I understand that because let's say, for example, like
I see dead people naked all the time, right, it
like doesn't phase me. I don't think about it at all.
I don't care. I like, I don't get weird about
stuff like that. I'm completely desensitized to anything that's gross
or anything. So I understand nurses are the same way.
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It's not like you might bump into them at the
mall and they they're they're gonna be like, oh, that's
the girl that like shit all over the place. They
just don't. They just don't think like that, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Except those ones that were taking pictures of the discharge
stains on like the paper at the guid to College's office. Yeah,
I'm just like that was that was so weird. That
was so weird. I don't know, Like for me, the
most embarrassing part was like crying as bad as it
was when my affatoorial were off, and when the antistesiologist
came back and it was like, I think it moved.
We might have to give it to you again, And
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I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Because I'm
not rude, like.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
At least at least at least he was at least
he was fast.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I know. It was just that's what I was embarrassed.
But I mean you were making fun of me because
I was like, I'm gonna get on all fours and
try to push, and I did, and he was just
like I could never do it because it's like embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, my asshole up in the air for everyone to say. Sorry,
who cares? I mean, it hurts so bad. Just like,
do whatever you have to do. Try to get the
baby out safely, because I want to look cute at
all times.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Nothing about it is cool. Like the last time childbirth
was cute was in the sixties when they used to
just knock you out and you'd wake up and have
a martini in your hand, like that was it? Okay,
do you sorry that this is the most ridiculous thing
you've ever heard? This? Next story?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I do actually, all right.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So this woman reportedly gave birth well asleep, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So this happened in Canada. So this mom was tested
positive for groupie straps. So they check you for that
before you have I don't know what, what thirty seven
weeks or thirty like right before your checked it towards
the end, yeah, like when you're almost ready to have
the baby and they check it because it's a concern
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that if you have a vaginal birth, that you could
pass this on to the baby who could then get
like a serious infection from it. And it's it's not bad.
It's just like some women have it, some women don't.
So if you have it, they give you antibiotics. But
in this particular case, they said, Okay, we want to
deliver you early because of this, and they gave so
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they gave her the medicine, they gave her this epidural
and stuff. Now, I think the most important part to
say about this is she already had a history of
having children, so and I feel like most people would
agree that if you've already had one baby, especially if
they're pretty close together, the other one like slides out
really fast. Right for the most part, that it's not
everyone's experience, but a lot of women that have multiple
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children say that. So she gets this epidoral and she
falls asleep for two hours, which you could understand because
when you got your epidoral, like you didn't feel anything
for hours, no, right, so you totally could have fall asleep.
So she falls asleep, and then she wakes up and
realizes that the fetal heart monitor is not on anymore,
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and emergency calls the nurse. The nurse comes in and
there's like a couple moments where everybody is like freaking
the hell out because there's no fetal heart tones anymore,
which I think is weird because isn't that being monitored
from the nursing station. If I'm I'm pretty sure it is,
that's not something that the patient's in charge of monitoring. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
In my case, I mean, I had like all those
monitors hooked up that went to the nursing station, and
anytime they went off because they put this like wireless
NST thing on me at some point and it just
kept detaching and every time it went off, they came
in immediately.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, So that's what I think is a little bit
weird about this. So they're like ripping off her blankets,
checking off dude, doing all this stuff, and then they
see that the freaking baby was delivered and was in
the blankets, like she had the baby, and I can
see this, Like, i know a lot of people think
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that this sounds outrageous, but I'm telling you, Like when
I had Lucea, her gestational interval was only eighteen months
from Lilian. It was like and I didn't have an epidoral,
so the pain was there for the contractions, but I
swear to God, I just was like ugh, and she
came out like I barely, Like I've like went to
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the bathroom harder than that, Like it barely happened. So
I see that, especially if you have an epidoral, like
how easy that could be. But this baby could have died.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Well, yeah, so I think like what I learned going
to public floor therapy the last year was the therapist
was just explaining that your uterus is doing most of
the work right, like when you're pushing, like you're kind
of just like helping the uterus do its job, like
you're not really that much in control of it. So
she didn't need to push per se for the baby
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to come out, Like the uterus just did its job
and pushed the baby out. I can see this from
a perspective of being at a point in my epidoral
where I was that completely numb. But at the same time,
because I was so numb, I was not left unattended.
Remember they were in there and they were watching the
contractions on the monitor, and then when the contraction will
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come up, they try to get me the push because
I couldn't feel anything at all.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I see that she but
she probably wasn't at that point yet. So I understand.
I understand like her not being attended because she had
an epit First of all, she was induced and she
had an epidoral and was and fell asleep. That's normal.
I guess. The part for me is like as soon
as those fetal heart tones weren't detected, it's it's weird
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that the mom realized it before the nurses did.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Well. Then I believe they can see like how close
the contractions are together on the monitor and that that
should be being monitored as well from the nursing station. Yeah,
at least in my case. I mean, if this is
in Canada, I don't know, they have a different healthcare system,
they might do things differently, but from the baby.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And so the babies like face down in the blankets
and not crying or anything. I mean, luckily the nurse
stimulated the baby and like the baby started crying.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, but like this could have been really bad.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, it really could have been, and it's it's so crazy,
Like I mean, I always love a good a good
birth story. Who just told me? I think one of
my friends just told me she had her kid like
in her car at her house or some shit.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Oh, I know what you're talking about. Who they said this?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I think it was my neighbor, right, Yes, I do
think it was. And I was just like, wait, what
I need to know more about it.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I do think it was your neighbor.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I have to ask her, like I have to do
like a serious interview with her and be like I
need details of this whole entire thing. I mean, but
wasn't it because we were talking about like didn't she
go to the hospital and they told her like it
wasn't time yet and she went home. It was like
one of those things because they always send you home
when it's not time yet.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, but didn't they do that to you too? You
know what I've learned recently, which I absolutely can't believe,
is that you can go get the balloon put in
you and they'll send you home, which I can't believe that.
Ricky said one of his clients was telling them that like,
oh yeah, my wife went in and got the balloon and
then they told us to come back in like a
couple hours.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But why why would you why would you need to
stay there. I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I'm just thinking because when I got it, it was
so incredibly painful. And then within a couple like within
six hours of getting it, I mean, it fell out
and there was so much blood and everything, Like I
can't imagine being home and that.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, Like I mean that would scare you. I guess
unless they told you like that was normal. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I just thought that.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm assuming, like shoving something up your starvex is traumatic
and causes bleeding. Like I don't know, I mean it
was blood, is it's coming from your starvex? I'm assuming yeah,
because like I just stood up.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I'm sorry this is graphy for everybody, but you should
be used to my oversharing by now. But I stood
up to go to the bathroom. And I went to
the bathroom and it was fine, and then I was
like walking around the room because I've been laying down
a while, and then all of a sudden, like I
feel like moisture on my legs and I looked down.
It was just like harm be like status for me anyway,
it was like so much and then the nurse was
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just like it's okay, this is normal, and I'm like,
this is normal, it's like kind of really scary. What
I'm taking away from the story is I'm kind of
jealous because this seems pretty ideal that you don't even
remember considering the Baboo's totally okay.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, wow, it's I mean, it's a cool story to
talk about later, but scary during the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's pretty outrageous. So like, what are we taking away
from this episode is like our new mother's see section
mother's going to feed their children poop and I would
I would it was, And I guess, I don't know.
I think the thing with the epidural was they're saying
it's so rare that something like this would happen, So
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I don't know. You really are at a point through
some of it where you can't feel a single thing,
so I could. I guess I could understand it happening,
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