January 12, 2026 • 37 mins
Alan Paul of Rolling Stone Magazine calls in to pay his respects to the late, great Bob Weir. Gerry Dulac emphasizes the need by TJ Watt, Cam Heyward and company to set the tone for the game tonight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What the Grateful meant to them, and this feeling that
this is really sort of over now. But I think
if we think of it strickly in terms of Bob
as a person, he probably went out feeling secure in
whatever was coming next. I do feel that way, because
that's certainly the way he always talked about Jerry.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, it always seemed to me he had like that
George Harrison approach to the afterlife, where it was like,
this guy is totally ready to die. Anytime he talked
about it, he seemed very at peace with the transition
that occurs there. And The Grateful Dad's music was so
often about death.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Right, that's correct, And I think that I think that
the shock is all the greater because it comes so
close on the heels of Phil dying. I mean, it's
a year, it's a little over a year, but there's
a finality to losing both of them, because you know,
it's been thirty years since Jerry died, over thirty years.
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Nobody could have imagined at that time in nineteen ninety
five that there would be this multi decade run of
The Grateful Dad that you know, eventually merged into Dead
and Company on a very grand scale. But even before that,
and aside from that, the music that Bobby and Phil
played and then played with so many people, you know,
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it reached so many people, and I think the fact
that they did reach out and play with so many
young musicians is crucial and means that this is going
to carry on for a long time. So just like
you know, Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks have a different
legitimacy playing the Allman Brothers music because of their you know,
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decades playing in the band and with the real guys,
everybody who played with Bobby and Phil, which is voluminous
at this point, will carry that and have a stamp
of legitimacy that they couldn't have had otherwise. So I
think that number of young musicians they played is an
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amazing contribution they made that will really helped the music
carry on. And I think that they were both very
conscious of that and wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's what I was going to ask you if that
was a natural thing for them to do, or if
there was a conscious push to make sure that they were,
for lack of a better way of saying, indoctrinating the
kids to making sure that they were able to you know,
it's like what Grateful Dead Guitars does, where they bestow
all of these beautiful guitar instruments on people who are
carrying the torch for Grateful Dead music to make sure
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that they're using appropriate instruments. It seemed like Bobby made
sure that all the people who were kind of following
in his footsteps got to touch a little of the
greatness and be a part of it and kind of
gave him the blessing of like, Okay, you are one
of the keepers of the flame. Now, you know, he
touched his torch to theirs.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think that docum there was intentional in the sense
of being the primary objective. I think the primary objective
was that they really enjoyed playing with the younger musicians
and different musicians having that interaction. But I think it
was certainly a very much a conscious decision, and I
think as time went on it may have been more
and more the point. And Bobby said to me directly
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in an interview at one point that one of the
things he was really happy about with Dating Company was
that Oto to some extent and John Mayer to a
large extent, would now be primed to carry this song
for decades after he again, to use his phrase, had
left this mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So you know, you have a great ability to speak
to his technical proficiencies. Bob Weir was an underrated musician.
And if you could give me your take on his
approach to his role in The Grateful Dead and in
just playing Grateful Dead music in the cannon that he
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helped create, well, you.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Know, Bob and again something that he talked about a
lot of that was interesting. He had very severe dyslexia.
And his name is Bob, that's true. He related that
the way he approached music was somehow related to his dyslexia.
The main role that most people think him as a
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rhythm guitar player is to be consident, to repeat the
same pattern over and over. So you know, you go
through a song and you're trying to set the pad,
and you know, if you think of it a simple
chord progression that's really common as GCD. So if you're
playing a GCD song, play the GCD over and over
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and over, and you're going to bury the tempo and
the dynamics and various things, but the chord progression stays
the same. And Bob and I think partly because of
his dyslexia and the way his brain worked, didn't really
repeat the same thing, and so he took what could
have been a debilitating weakness because that that is the
heart of the role, and turned it into something that
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became a hallmark of his style, which is, instead of
playing the same thing, I'm going to just keep mixing
it up and I'm going to play variations of these chords.
Maybe it's because of memory, you can't do it, and
developing that into a style, and it also grew partly
out of Phil Lesh's really unorthodox bass playing. Almost not
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a bass player before he joined the Warlocks, which became
a Grateful band, he was a trumpet player who was
a fan of avant garde classical music, and so he
also didn't play the traditional bass role, which is also
playing repeating notes, and so Bobby, partly because of his
personality or whatever, partly because he was fitting in with
what Phil was doing, just played these sort of very
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strange chords in between, and then eventually he realized that
what he was doing was similar to what McCoy tyner,
the piano player from the John Coltrane Quartet, who was
a huge influence on them and on lots of rock
musicians who wanted to be impropositional were doing. He tried
to pattern his guitar playing after that piano playing instead
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of after traditional guitar playing, and I think it took
him a little while to come up with that approach,
but it was extremely unique and unorthodox. And anybody who
forms a Grateful Attribute band it is going to be
the Bobby guy realizes that pretty quickly. To really make
it sound right, you have to keep changing what you're doing.
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And for if you're not a musician, you might not
realize this, But for a chord like you take a
simple g chord, which is like the first chord that
a lot of people learn on guitar, but there's a
million ways to play. You can play it up and
down the fret anywhere, you can substitute different notes, and
that's what Bobby did. Even when he did play repetitive patterns,
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he never played the same version of the chord over
and over. And these are really subtle little things, but
they make a huge difference. And if you play the
same music without doing that, even if you're playing tech
I think lead the right chords, it will never sound.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, Alan Paul and Rolling Stone writing about the radical guitar.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Playing of Bob weir As.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
As we've all eulogized Bob all Weekend long dead at
the age of seventy eight. So my question to you
is he often said that he thought he had played
more shows than just about anybody in the world ever,
And if you talk about just sheer amount of people
from the age of seventeen to seventy eight, he never
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really took a big long break for any extended period
of time. And the terms of the scope of those
shows allan is he on top of that mountain.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And it's something I don't believe can be proved, because
how could you count that? But I think it's obviously true.
I don't know who else could possibly be. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
There's jazz musicians who played, you know, small shows a
few times a week for their entire lives.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I get it, But this is something different what he
was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
These were major productions and huge shows that never stopped
each year.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, and he seemed to be so driven to perform.
And that's why, to go back to what we were
seeing at the beginning, was it surprising the fact that
he wasn't playing any shows, wasn't popping up was a
pretty good tell that something was right, because he never
ever took breaks. Yeah, the guy just played and played
and played.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
He would do a long Dead and Company show, he'd
immediately go out with Bobby and the Wolf Brothers. He
would up up, he would sit in with people. He
was everywhere because he lived. He loves to play. And
in the last big interview I did with him a
couple of years ago, we discussed at length the fact
that he had severe stage fright, which was amazing to me.
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It's hard to imagine or comprehend, and you think that
something would get over but he said that he never
ever got over it until he walked, and it always
went away within halfway through the first song, or just
a little bit into the first song. But he never
ceased to have it before walking on stage, which is fascinating.
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Greg Oman said the same thing to me somebody else
who never stopped performing and as soon as he was
off the road, you knew something was wrong. But greg
said that he had it every performance, and then when
he would start to sing, he couldn't look at the audience.
He always looked to the sky and saying the first
note to God, and as soon as he's saying the
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first note, it was over. And then he would look
at the audience and the stage fright was gone. And
they certainly didn't talk about this together, but Bob said
something very very similar to me. I thought that was
fascinating and it's something I'd love to go into and
look at more. And Bob also told me that Jerry
had the same kind of stage fright. I've spent a
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bunch of time looking I never found an interview in
which Jerrie discussed that, but Bob said it with great
certainty and certainly would be in a position to know.
So I think that's just a fascinating topic that I
don't know how to resolved. Yeah, but it's an interesting
point that somebody who literally had probably performed and for
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more people than anyone ever still to the end, had
stage fright before he walked out.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Every time Alan Paul wrote about Bob, we are understated
master in Rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You can check out that piece on rollingstone dot com.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And I'd be remiss if I did not bring up
that you, being a Pittsburgher and a diehard Steelers fan,
were at the Detroit Lions game, and you texted me
and said your apple watch was worried about you during
the game.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
My apple watch is worried about me game. That is true.
And you know, listen, I wear my apple Watch and
I watch all the Steeler games, and you know, we've
had a lot of last second insanity in these games,
as we all know. But that was the first time
that I started getting alerts basically saying are you okay.
I think this specific thing was you had an accelerated
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heart rate for over four minutes without seeming to be exercising,
are you But you know, I had these amazing seats
of that game. I was. I was right on the
first row behind the end zone, which is the end
zone where everything was happening. So uh, it was it
was you know, in really that incredible Kenny game, weell
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touchdown was running in front of my face, which is
one of the greatest things I've ever seen, certainly from
that angle. And then you know, the lunacy at the
end of the game with a touchdown not touchdown, was
right in front of my face. So yeah, my heart
got a little bit of a workout. I survived fine.
I didn't get any alerts last week during the Ravens game.
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Just yeah, yeah, I wish back to saying some kind
of Bob Weir style meditation.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I suppose we're just sitting the TP and crush your
legs and if that rings.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
This is yeah. Try January's a little tough this year
with these games.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh dude, there's no way I wanted to post to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Bob as well. But I'm I'm hanging in there. I
made it through that Ravens game. I made it through
Bob's death, the highs and the lows, and so I
think I'll be okay for the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Alan Paul, thanks so much, man, appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Thank you, and you know, Bobby forever.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, and go Steelers.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
All right tonight it's a eight fifteen kickoff Steelers Texans
right here in your radio home of the Steelers and
Aaron Rodgers leading the team out there tonight. This has
been a long trajectory to this point here from Mike
Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers. If you remember in the preseason
when there was the Woody or won't he come here
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and all of that added into the controversy surrounding Aaron
Rodgers in Steeler Nation.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
To say that they were nonplussed is probably generous. I'd
say it was seventy thirty.
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They did not want Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback, but
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Aaron Rodgers is the Steelers quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I didn't say one bad word about him. No, my
tune changes so quickly on this man. It is my
one of my most like current toxic relationships is me
and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Is it's it's it's like, you know, after the Browns game,
I'm like, can he actually do it?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And then after the Ravens game, I'm like, dude, he's
back in his prime. We're good. I'll trust him with
my life. Yeah, we're going to the NASH Championship. Yeah,
at least.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Adam Thielan was on Christian Coot's podcast talking about how
Aaron Rodgers is just special.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's calling this to probably throw this, and for some reason,
when I line up and got the press coverage single high.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
I was like, yeah, he's gonna throw me. I gotta
get open.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And all game, I mean they were all over us,
like I mean they were holding and grabbing, doing whatever,
taking and they were making the call, so like credit
to them, Like if you're not making the call, if
you're not getting called for holding, you got your past interference,
Like keep going, keep doing it. And so I knew
it was gonna be a physical play. I knew there
wasn't gonna be a whole lot of separation. But I
was trying to just give Aaron an indicator kind of
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with a little stutter to say, Okay, I'm ready for it,
and he kind of read my body language and again
like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I came up to that.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
I go, hey, after watching that play back, like that
was a dot, Like when you're in the game, you
just don't really just like balls and air boom, you
like try to catch it, right, But that was an
insane throw and I did not see that ball because
of the trajectory.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
It was so low.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Marlin was like right in my vision and so I
did not see that ball until basically three to five
feet I got to my hands. So just reacted, which
sometimes is the best right You just react like voting ball,
catch it. And obviously was was pretty fired up to
just make that play and gave me a little bit
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of adrenaline and there's nothing better as a receiver to
get a little bit of adrenaline and they kind of
get that feeling.
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Back to pass looking throwing up the right sea beautifully
throne ball and what a catch by feeling tight coverage
by Hoope Free. I mean that was a dark a
perfect throw down of the eleven yard line.
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Yeah, head Steelers, here we go.
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I got this one right down the middle, cause.
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I mean, I know it's really difficult to call. I
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Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know, we're a group that backs against the wall.
You know, we like our chances because we're all together,
and you know, we thrive off of people either counting
us out, people not believing in us, and you know,
us trying to play our basketball. We have a really
tight knit group. There are a lot of things guys
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do that just incorporate everybody, and I'm really appreciative of that.
That speaks to, you know, the leadership around this group.
That speaks to the buy in from everybody, and I'm
just thankful for that. You know, there's one or two
ways this thing to go at different moments in the year,
and you know, each step of the way, guys have always,
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you know, chose to be a part of it.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
Yeah, it's definitely a couple of points in this season
where it could have gone off the rails.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, I thought it was off the rails.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
After the Green game, after the Buffalo game, the Bills game,
I thought he was over. Even after the Cleveland game.
The second one, Yeah, because because they didn't have Metcalf
for the first time, and they looked like they were
incapable of scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Because they didn't score one that might have been one.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
And yet here they are.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
The biggest reason they're here, I guess, and the biggest
reason not that they're here, but that they're here with
some belief and some hope and some actual possibility that's
palpable is because of Aaron Rodgers. And that has everything
to do with how quickly Rogers fit.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
In the first day he came in, he talked about
he wants to start the group, and I think that
spoke a lot to his mindset approaching those And you know,
it's one thing to say with words, it's another thing
to you know, take part in everything. We do to
get to know players offensively, defensively, special teams, you know,
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even the little you know, you know, Herbig and him
go back and forth from time to time. But there
is a there's a competition that you know, breeds just
togetherness amongst everybody in our.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
Group, Herbig and Rogers. Rogers is forty two, what's herbi
twenty four to twenty five. One guy's a four time
MVP going to the Hall of Fame quarterback. Another guy's
a complimentary outside linebacker, still finding his place in the
league and doing a good job doing that. But you know,
how do those guys get along? That's just that's the
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vibe they got going right now.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Good vibes. We're the good guys clearly tonight. Yeah, like
we're not the bad guys. Yeah, that good guys should win. Yeah,
everyone's rooting for us tonight. Yeah, the whole country's rooting
for us. Because that's the story. That's the fun story.
Aaron Rodgers at forty two leading the Steelers out of
the abyss of playoff futility.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Texans have nine fans. What are we doing here?
We have to win and.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
They've got a pretty simplistic mo you know, defense, get
out there and kill him.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Defense, get out there and kill him.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I mean, there's not a lot of intrigue, there's not
a lot of no redemption, there's not a lot of
rise above it all kind of you know, overcome adversity.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And they're just really good on defense.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I love that aspect of it though, that it's just
like it's keep it simple, stupid and just do everything
the right way. And then they just have monsters on
the edges and they do everything right. In the secondary,
they got great coverage.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
They got really good corners number four last number twenty
four Stingley, whose first team All Pro. Their nickel guy,
Jalen Peatree, number five. He was one of those great
Kazoo concussion protectors.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Things.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
He plays like he's like a safety corner hybrid and
he's the extra dB, which they use him a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
He's really good.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
I talked about the two inside linebackers today thirty nine
to to oh and zero Al Shazier just incredibly fast
and physical. It's a very good team. But Steel has
got some possibilities as well. And you know, back to
the emotional component of it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
They had a little uh addition to the tradition.
Speaker 10 (22:17):
This year, instead of just Mike Tomlin and Cam Hayward
walking off the field together after a big dub, now
Aaron Rodgers has made that a threesome.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Bringing Rogers into the fold.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You know, after we got that first one in New York,
you know, me and Mi t had talked about he
was like, let's bring this old man along with us,
and you know, we wanted to give him an experience
of what it's like to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and
welcome into that and show him that you know, we're
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with you along this ride, this journey. You don't have
to walk alone. And I think that's our leadership. Like,
you know, we have a bunch of leaders, but it's
not one guy do winner by itself. It's a group
of guys. It's a team that really gets the job done.
And you know, me and Mike tivandor for a while,
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it's what we ask of each other. But it's also
like we get to stay in the face of it.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
When it gets New England. That'll be this coming Sunday.
It'll be the second game I think after Rams Bears.
Next Saturday, it's Bills at the Broncos and forty nine
ers at the Seahawks after.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
A wild wild card weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Oh man, was it fun. I mean every single game
was fun.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
If you're a Bears fan right now, you have to
think the Pope has intervened here because that seemed like
there was divine intervention.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
They were beat about sixteen times, weren't they.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean the look on the faces of those Bears
fan fans during that game, there's no way any of
those people thought they were going to come back and
win that game.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
I think I think that was their first playoff win
in sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Do you see that the one video of the Bears
fan grating cheese?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yes, Caleb Williams, Yeah, the game, Yeah he did.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
By the way, did you hear his on field interview? No,
it was fantastic. Like I've always perceived him as a
little slappy with pretty good readings. He too, like, maybe
too slappy to be the leader. But he did one
of those silly on field interviews right after the game,
which usually or nothing, but we won. You I forget
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who was doing the interview, but simple questions he came
up with, uh, detailed answers with depth and context and leadership.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's the new thing in the NFL, though, whether it's
Jalen Hurts fortune cookie stuff or it.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
Is really impressive listeners to how to speak, which is
the first time I've ever said that about a guy
who once lost a game at usc and and ran
to cry on his mother's shoulder in the stands.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, that that was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then there are people, who, you know, the homophobic
people out there who keep calling him the lgbt QQB
because he paints his yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, his nails and it's kind of funny heels. But
and I don't know if it was in this interview
or if it was in the locker room, but I
had read that he had said to his teammates, like,
you get paid for the regular season, and the postseason
is about your legacy.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
That was not in this interview, but he talked about
I think the interview asked him what it just what's
this win mean? And he went through the fans and
the organization and the team and how their their comeback
ability and how it was really good stuff, which is
not usually the case in those things.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Comedian Razor Whine, He's been hanging out with us all
morning long. We're going to be joined by Jerry Dulac
when we come back from the Steelers Audio Network pregame show,
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Big End. This is the culmination of what Mike Tomlin
had promised to Aaron Rodgers at the beginning of the year,
which was an opportunity to play playoff football with a contender.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Yeah, and you know Randall last week. Had they not
made it, Man, that would have uh, you know, that
would have been almost cataclysmic for the franchise. But the
next step, of course, is to win a playoff game.
I mean, that was the purpose, not to get to
the postseason, but to win a playoff game, because we
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know they've been to the postseason, so we're going to see.
We're going to see. And I will say this though,
he I mean, he was a big reason that they
made it to the postseason. The way he played last week, Uh,
you know, answering each of those long touchdowns with those
two scoring drives, he's calling you know, he's calling the
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plays effectively the line of scrimmage because they had to
and man, they responded, He responded, they responded, and now
you know, against this type of defense, we're you know,
we're gonna take the next step and see see if
if they can win a playoff game. It's gonna be
tough because of the style Euston plays, But I'm just, man,
(29:34):
I'm curious to see how how he's gonna handle it,
because it's gonna it's gonna be all about him and
what he's able to do with the line of scrimmage
against his defense.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, that speaks to what I wanted to ask you
about next, which was the difference between the last year
and this year in terms of confidence clearly attributable to
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
But what is the trickle down effect of that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What do you see that's different under the leadership of
Aaron Rodgers with this team that has come to fruition.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and and
throw water on what Russell Wilson did or what type
of quarterback he is, because he uh, you know, he
was a leader with them, he always has been in
his career. But it's just it's just a different level,
uh with Aaron Rodgers. And and it's the it's the
(30:20):
calming effect too. It's not that Russe was a panicky
kind of guy, because he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
But but this this.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Calming effect you know, that he has on these guys,
and which translates then to to confidence is man, There's
there's no denying the impact what he has had on
the rest of these guys. Uh, you know, just you know,
forgetting for a moment what he's able to do, you know,
you know, Uh, Arthur Smith always says and has said
(30:52):
that he's the smartest quarterback in the league Baroness. Of
course he is nobody, uh with except I don't. I
don't know. Maybe one or two other guys can do
what he does. Matthew Stafford perhaps, but not to the
level that he does it at the line of scrimmage,
but beyond all that, just his effect on the players
in the huddle, in the locker room, whether it began
(31:14):
a training camp, you know, he was an open book
if he wanted the guys to get to know him,
and you could see the way they've responded, and you know,
there's no denying the impact he's had on this football team.
And that's why curious to see if there is a
next step one winning a playoff game and then what's
after that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So you've we've all watched his relationship with Arthur Smith.
There's times when they are combative, like on the field,
they are shouting at each other back and forth. How
would you describe their working relationship and how that plays
out during the a game like tonight. You know, if
things aren't going great, you know the people will say errors,
you just go rogue.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let Aaron, you know, call the plays.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
How much of that is actually Like if Aaron Rodgers
disagrees with what Arthur's Smith wants to implement, how much
of a veto does he have on that? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (32:05):
Well, first of all, I don't think there's too many
instances where that occurs. I will tell you Arthur Smith
loves Aaron Rodgers and so, and I got no indication, man,
he is. Aaron Rodgers has given credit to, you know,
Arthur Smith and his play calls, you know, almost weekly,
and so Arthur Smith he you know, he gives Aaron
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the free reign. If he wants to change what he's seeing,
he can. A lot of times he's not changing the
play call, he's changing, you know, some of the options
within the play because there's not just one play. That
one play might have four or five options to it,
and Aaron then will change within within the original call.
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And sometimes you know, especially in their hurry up man,
he's calling the plays on the fly because he has to.
So no, I think Arthur Smith gives him that free rain.
It's a little different than their relationship that you know
that was occurring with Russell Wilson towards the end of.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Last year a little bit.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
And you know, I think you think so. I think
there's a lot of that is you know, it's the
mutual respect. Now I've gotten no indication. Now those two
guys get along. They're both combative types of intense competitors.
I don't want to say combat they're both intense competitors,
and we've seen Aaron, you know, show some of his
disgust on the field. It's not what the play call
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might be with the way somebody ran around. We see
it all the time, but he's not terribly demonstrative about
it where it's disruptive or he's showing anybody up. But
that's just the kind of player is. That's why he's
lasted twenty one years and it's the four time league
hemvyp You.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Know, it's funny, Jerry.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I think that relationship is going to be on display tonight, Rogers.
You know, I'm all for letting the guy with twenty
one years of in helmet experience call it as he
sees it.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
But I also think there's.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
Going to be a certain tonight where you're gonna have
to run the ball and punt at times and outlast
these guys because their pass rush is so good and
their speed on defense is so good. I don't know
that checking out of a run to a sideways flank
or screen is going to get anything accomplished. And you
know Roger's history is he's more than happy to check
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out something and throw it because that's what he does,
and he's really good at it. But I wonder if
he's gonna have the patience to night. I'm not saying
he's not gonna, but I think he's gonna need to.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Well, Mike, I think for the most part, what we
have seen from him is a patient quarterback. I wouldn't
sit here and say he's merely a gunslinger. And I
say that because you know, he's not throwing interceptions, none
in the last seven games and nine of the last ten,
and he has been sacked percentage wise, is the fewest
(34:55):
sacked per percentage in his career. And that's even taken
some sacks sometimes. You know, we see him deliberately take
a sack so as not to turn the ball over.
So I think he's been patient. And you know, some
of the quarterback play i've seen the last couple of
days in the postseason, I've seen guys who aren't that,
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including the guy who's never won a playoff game, Justin Herbert,
and so I've not seen.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Him be that way.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
I've not seen him go rogue at all. And you know,
give it to Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Canna to turn the
helmet the receiver off, you know, so I I, you know,
I thought Arthur Smith, what he did last week, you know,
I thought it was so essential for him to be
key in that game, and and you know, not having
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DK Metcalf again, and and I thought he was. I
thought the way they responded against the Ravens, unlike the
way they did in Cleveland, coming off that pitiful performance, man,
I thought was big.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And so.
Speaker 11 (36:04):
I don't see that Aaron Rodgers. I don't see him
doing that.
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
Jerry d thanks as always, Buddy, appreciate your time.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Randall, thanks man. I'm excited to see what they got
and see what happens me too.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
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A question I get all the time is how did
we become the largest injury firm in the world.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
We have
What the Grateful meant to them, and this feeling that
this is really sort of over now. But I think
if we think of it strickly in terms of Bob
as a person, he probably went out feeling secure in
whatever was coming next. I do feel that way, because
that's certainly the way he always talked about Jerry.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, it always seemed to me he had like that
George Harrison approach to the afterlife, where it was like,
this guy is totally ready to die. Anytime he talked
about it, he seemed very at peace with the transition
that occurs there. And The Grateful Dad's music was so
often about death.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Right, that's correct, And I think that I think that
the shock is all the greater because it comes so
close on the heels of Phil dying. I mean, it's
a year, it's a little over a year, but there's
a finality to losing both of them, because you know,
it's been thirty years since Jerry died, over thirty years.
(01:00):
Nobody could have imagined at that time in nineteen ninety
five that there would be this multi decade run of
The Grateful Dad that you know, eventually merged into Dead
and Company on a very grand scale. But even before that,
and aside from that, the music that Bobby and Phil
played and then played with so many people, you know,
(01:22):
it reached so many people, and I think the fact
that they did reach out and play with so many
young musicians is crucial and means that this is going
to carry on for a long time. So just like
you know, Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks have a different
legitimacy playing the Allman Brothers music because of their you know,
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decades playing in the band and with the real guys,
everybody who played with Bobby and Phil, which is voluminous
at this point, will carry that and have a stamp
of legitimacy that they couldn't have had otherwise. So I
think that number of young musicians they played is an
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amazing contribution they made that will really helped the music
carry on. And I think that they were both very
conscious of that and wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's what I was going to ask you if that
was a natural thing for them to do, or if
there was a conscious push to make sure that they were,
for lack of a better way of saying, indoctrinating the
kids to making sure that they were able to you know,
it's like what Grateful Dead Guitars does, where they bestow
all of these beautiful guitar instruments on people who are
carrying the torch for Grateful Dead music to make sure
(02:31):
that they're using appropriate instruments. It seemed like Bobby made
sure that all the people who were kind of following
in his footsteps got to touch a little of the
greatness and be a part of it and kind of
gave him the blessing of like, Okay, you are one
of the keepers of the flame. Now, you know, he
touched his torch to theirs.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think that docum there was intentional in the sense
of being the primary objective. I think the primary objective
was that they really enjoyed playing with the younger musicians
and different musicians having that interaction. But I think it
was certainly a very much a conscious decision, and I
think as time went on it may have been more
and more the point. And Bobby said to me directly
(03:12):
in an interview at one point that one of the
things he was really happy about with Dating Company was
that Oto to some extent and John Mayer to a
large extent, would now be primed to carry this song
for decades after he again, to use his phrase, had
left this mortal coil.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So you know, you have a great ability to speak
to his technical proficiencies. Bob Weir was an underrated musician.
And if you could give me your take on his
approach to his role in The Grateful Dead and in
just playing Grateful Dead music in the cannon that he
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helped create, well, you.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Know, Bob and again something that he talked about a
lot of that was interesting. He had very severe dyslexia.
And his name is Bob, that's true. He related that
the way he approached music was somehow related to his dyslexia.
The main role that most people think him as a
(04:16):
rhythm guitar player is to be consident, to repeat the
same pattern over and over. So you know, you go
through a song and you're trying to set the pad,
and you know, if you think of it a simple
chord progression that's really common as GCD. So if you're
playing a GCD song, play the GCD over and over
(04:38):
and over, and you're going to bury the tempo and
the dynamics and various things, but the chord progression stays
the same. And Bob and I think partly because of
his dyslexia and the way his brain worked, didn't really
repeat the same thing, and so he took what could
have been a debilitating weakness because that that is the
heart of the role, and turned it into something that
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became a hallmark of his style, which is, instead of
playing the same thing, I'm going to just keep mixing
it up and I'm going to play variations of these chords.
Maybe it's because of memory, you can't do it, and
developing that into a style, and it also grew partly
out of Phil Lesh's really unorthodox bass playing. Almost not
(05:22):
a bass player before he joined the Warlocks, which became
a Grateful band, he was a trumpet player who was
a fan of avant garde classical music, and so he
also didn't play the traditional bass role, which is also
playing repeating notes, and so Bobby, partly because of his
personality or whatever, partly because he was fitting in with
what Phil was doing, just played these sort of very
(05:43):
strange chords in between, and then eventually he realized that
what he was doing was similar to what McCoy tyner,
the piano player from the John Coltrane Quartet, who was
a huge influence on them and on lots of rock
musicians who wanted to be impropositional were doing. He tried
to pattern his guitar playing after that piano playing instead
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of after traditional guitar playing, and I think it took
him a little while to come up with that approach,
but it was extremely unique and unorthodox. And anybody who
forms a Grateful Attribute band it is going to be
the Bobby guy realizes that pretty quickly. To really make
it sound right, you have to keep changing what you're doing.
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And for if you're not a musician, you might not
realize this, But for a chord like you take a
simple g chord, which is like the first chord that
a lot of people learn on guitar, but there's a
million ways to play. You can play it up and
down the fret anywhere, you can substitute different notes, and
that's what Bobby did. Even when he did play repetitive patterns,
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he never played the same version of the chord over
and over. And these are really subtle little things, but
they make a huge difference. And if you play the
same music without doing that, even if you're playing tech
I think lead the right chords, it will never sound.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Right, Alan Paul and Rolling Stone writing about the radical guitar.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Playing of Bob weir As.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
As we've all eulogized Bob all Weekend long dead at
the age of seventy eight. So my question to you
is he often said that he thought he had played
more shows than just about anybody in the world ever,
And if you talk about just sheer amount of people
from the age of seventeen to seventy eight, he never
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really took a big long break for any extended period
of time. And the terms of the scope of those
shows allan is he on top of that mountain.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And it's something I don't believe can be proved, because
how could you count that? But I think it's obviously true.
I don't know who else could possibly be. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
There's jazz musicians who played, you know, small shows a
few times a week for their entire lives.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I get it, But this is something different what he
was doing.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
These were major productions and huge shows that never stopped
each year.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, and he seemed to be so driven to perform.
And that's why, to go back to what we were
seeing at the beginning, was it surprising the fact that
he wasn't playing any shows, wasn't popping up was a
pretty good tell that something was right, because he never
ever took breaks. Yeah, the guy just played and played
and played.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
He would do a long Dead and Company show, he'd
immediately go out with Bobby and the Wolf Brothers. He
would up up, he would sit in with people. He
was everywhere because he lived. He loves to play. And
in the last big interview I did with him a
couple of years ago, we discussed at length the fact
that he had severe stage fright, which was amazing to me.
(08:55):
It's hard to imagine or comprehend, and you think that
something would get over but he said that he never
ever got over it until he walked, and it always
went away within halfway through the first song, or just
a little bit into the first song. But he never
ceased to have it before walking on stage, which is fascinating.
(09:18):
Greg Oman said the same thing to me somebody else
who never stopped performing and as soon as he was
off the road, you knew something was wrong. But greg
said that he had it every performance, and then when
he would start to sing, he couldn't look at the audience.
He always looked to the sky and saying the first
note to God, and as soon as he's saying the
(09:38):
first note, it was over. And then he would look
at the audience and the stage fright was gone. And
they certainly didn't talk about this together, but Bob said
something very very similar to me. I thought that was
fascinating and it's something I'd love to go into and
look at more. And Bob also told me that Jerry
had the same kind of stage fright. I've spent a
(10:00):
bunch of time looking I never found an interview in
which Jerrie discussed that, but Bob said it with great
certainty and certainly would be in a position to know.
So I think that's just a fascinating topic that I
don't know how to resolved. Yeah, but it's an interesting
point that somebody who literally had probably performed and for
(10:21):
more people than anyone ever still to the end, had
stage fright before he walked out.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Every time Alan Paul wrote about Bob, we are understated
master in Rolling Stone.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You can check out that piece on rollingstone dot com.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
And I'd be remiss if I did not bring up
that you, being a Pittsburgher and a diehard Steelers fan,
were at the Detroit Lions game, and you texted me
and said your apple watch was worried about you during
the game.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
My apple watch is worried about me game. That is true.
And you know, listen, I wear my apple Watch and
I watch all the Steeler games, and you know, we've
had a lot of last second insanity in these games,
as we all know. But that was the first time
that I started getting alerts basically saying are you okay.
I think this specific thing was you had an accelerated
(11:13):
heart rate for over four minutes without seeming to be exercising,
are you But you know, I had these amazing seats
of that game. I was. I was right on the
first row behind the end zone, which is the end
zone where everything was happening. So uh, it was it
was you know, in really that incredible Kenny game, weell
(11:35):
touchdown was running in front of my face, which is
one of the greatest things I've ever seen, certainly from
that angle. And then you know, the lunacy at the
end of the game with a touchdown not touchdown, was
right in front of my face. So yeah, my heart
got a little bit of a workout. I survived fine.
I didn't get any alerts last week during the Ravens game.
(11:57):
Just yeah, yeah, I wish back to saying some kind
of Bob Weir style meditation.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I suppose we're just sitting the TP and crush your
legs and if that rings.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
This is yeah. Try January's a little tough this year
with these games.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh dude, there's no way I wanted to post to.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Bob as well. But I'm I'm hanging in there. I
made it through that Ravens game. I made it through
Bob's death, the highs and the lows, and so I
think I'll be okay for the next few weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Alan Paul, thanks so much, man, appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Thank you, and you know, Bobby forever.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, and go Steelers.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
All right tonight it's a eight fifteen kickoff Steelers Texans
right here in your radio home of the Steelers and
Aaron Rodgers leading the team out there tonight. This has
been a long trajectory to this point here from Mike
Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers. If you remember in the preseason
when there was the Woody or won't he come here
(12:58):
and all of that added into the controversy surrounding Aaron
Rodgers in Steeler Nation.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
To say that they were nonplussed is probably generous. I'd
say it was seventy thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They did not want Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback, but
that has slowly changed into everybody is super psyched at
Aaron Rodgers is the Steelers quarterback.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
I didn't say one bad word about him. No, my
tune changes so quickly on this man. It is my
one of my most like current toxic relationships is me
and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Is it's it's it's like, you know, after the Browns game,
I'm like, can he actually do it?
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And then after the Ravens game, I'm like, dude, he's
back in his prime. We're good. I'll trust him with
my life. Yeah, we're going to the NASH Championship. Yeah,
at least.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Adam Thielan was on Christian Coot's podcast talking about how
Aaron Rodgers is just special.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
He's calling this to probably throw this, and for some reason,
when I line up and got the press coverage single high.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
I was like, yeah, he's gonna throw me. I gotta
get open.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
And all game, I mean they were all over us,
like I mean they were holding and grabbing, doing whatever,
taking and they were making the call, so like credit
to them, Like if you're not making the call, if
you're not getting called for holding, you got your past interference,
Like keep going, keep doing it. And so I knew
it was gonna be a physical play. I knew there
wasn't gonna be a whole lot of separation. But I
was trying to just give Aaron an indicator kind of
(14:31):
with a little stutter to say, Okay, I'm ready for it,
and he kind of read my body language and again
like I didn't.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I came up to that.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
I go, hey, after watching that play back, like that
was a dot, Like when you're in the game, you
just don't really just like balls and air boom, you
like try to catch it, right, But that was an
insane throw and I did not see that ball because
of the trajectory.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
It was so low.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Marlin was like right in my vision and so I
did not see that ball until basically three to five
feet I got to my hands. So just reacted, which
sometimes is the best right You just react like voting ball,
catch it. And obviously was was pretty fired up to
just make that play and gave me a little bit
(15:13):
of adrenaline and there's nothing better as a receiver to
get a little bit of adrenaline and they kind of
get that feeling.
Speaker 8 (15:18):
Back to pass looking throwing up the right sea beautifully
throne ball and what a catch by feeling tight coverage
by Hoope Free. I mean that was a dark a
perfect throw down of the eleven yard line.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
It's the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Houston Texans Wild Card
playoff action.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Tonight.
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Eight point fifteen is the kickoff. We'll start our pregame
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Speaker 10 (17:31):
Yeah, head Steelers, here we go.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I got this one right down the middle, cause.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
I mean, I know it's really difficult to call. I
understand that they do, and then you throw the playoff
element into it and that makes it even more unpredictable.
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Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know, we're a group that backs against the wall.
You know, we like our chances because we're all together,
and you know, we thrive off of people either counting
us out, people not believing in us, and you know,
us trying to play our basketball. We have a really
tight knit group. There are a lot of things guys
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do that just incorporate everybody, and I'm really appreciative of that.
That speaks to, you know, the leadership around this group.
That speaks to the buy in from everybody, and I'm
just thankful for that. You know, there's one or two
ways this thing to go at different moments in the year,
and you know, each step of the way, guys have always,
(18:49):
you know, chose to be a part of it.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
Yeah, it's definitely a couple of points in this season
where it could have gone off the rails.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
I mean, I thought it was off the rails.
Speaker 10 (18:59):
After the Green game, after the Buffalo game, the Bills game,
I thought he was over. Even after the Cleveland game.
The second one, Yeah, because because they didn't have Metcalf
for the first time, and they looked like they were
incapable of scoring a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Because they didn't score one that might have been one.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
And yet here they are.
Speaker 10 (19:19):
The biggest reason they're here, I guess, and the biggest
reason not that they're here, but that they're here with
some belief and some hope and some actual possibility that's
palpable is because of Aaron Rodgers. And that has everything
to do with how quickly Rogers fit.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
In the first day he came in, he talked about
he wants to start the group, and I think that
spoke a lot to his mindset approaching those And you know,
it's one thing to say with words, it's another thing
to you know, take part in everything. We do to
get to know players offensively, defensively, special teams, you know,
(20:01):
even the little you know, you know, Herbig and him
go back and forth from time to time. But there
is a there's a competition that you know, breeds just
togetherness amongst everybody in our.
Speaker 10 (20:14):
Group, Herbig and Rogers. Rogers is forty two, what's herbi
twenty four to twenty five. One guy's a four time
MVP going to the Hall of Fame quarterback. Another guy's
a complimentary outside linebacker, still finding his place in the
league and doing a good job doing that. But you know,
how do those guys get along? That's just that's the
(20:35):
vibe they got going right now.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Good vibes. We're the good guys clearly tonight. Yeah, like
we're not the bad guys. Yeah, that good guys should win. Yeah,
everyone's rooting for us tonight. Yeah, the whole country's rooting
for us. Because that's the story. That's the fun story.
Aaron Rodgers at forty two leading the Steelers out of
the abyss of playoff futility.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
The Texans have nine fans. What are we doing here?
We have to win and.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
They've got a pretty simplistic mo you know, defense, get
out there and kill him.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Defense, get out there and kill him.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
I mean, there's not a lot of intrigue, there's not
a lot of no redemption, there's not a lot of
rise above it all kind of you know, overcome adversity.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And they're just really good on defense.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I love that aspect of it though, that it's just
like it's keep it simple, stupid and just do everything
the right way. And then they just have monsters on
the edges and they do everything right. In the secondary,
they got great coverage.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
They got really good corners number four last number twenty
four Stingley, whose first team All Pro. Their nickel guy,
Jalen Peatree, number five. He was one of those great
Kazoo concussion protectors.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Things.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
He plays like he's like a safety corner hybrid and
he's the extra dB, which they use him a lot.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
He's really good.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
I talked about the two inside linebackers today thirty nine
to to oh and zero Al Shazier just incredibly fast
and physical. It's a very good team. But Steel has
got some possibilities as well. And you know, back to
the emotional component of it.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
They had a little uh addition to the tradition.
Speaker 10 (22:17):
This year, instead of just Mike Tomlin and Cam Hayward
walking off the field together after a big dub, now
Aaron Rodgers has made that a threesome.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Bringing Rogers into the fold.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You know, after we got that first one in New York,
you know, me and Mi t had talked about he
was like, let's bring this old man along with us,
and you know, we wanted to give him an experience
of what it's like to be a Pittsburgh Steeler and
welcome into that and show him that you know, we're
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with you along this ride, this journey. You don't have
to walk alone. And I think that's our leadership. Like,
you know, we have a bunch of leaders, but it's
not one guy do winner by itself. It's a group
of guys. It's a team that really gets the job done.
And you know, me and Mike tivandor for a while,
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it's what we ask of each other. But it's also
like we get to stay in the face of it.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
When it gets New England. That'll be this coming Sunday.
It'll be the second game I think after Rams Bears.
Next Saturday, it's Bills at the Broncos and forty nine
ers at the Seahawks after.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
A wild wild card weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Oh man, was it fun. I mean every single game
was fun.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
If you're a Bears fan right now, you have to
think the Pope has intervened here because that seemed like
there was divine intervention.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
They were beat about sixteen times, weren't they.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I mean the look on the faces of those Bears
fan fans during that game, there's no way any of
those people thought they were going to come back and
win that game.
Speaker 10 (23:54):
I think I think that was their first playoff win
in sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Do you see that the one video of the Bears
fan grating cheese?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yes, Caleb Williams, Yeah, the game, Yeah he did.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (24:08):
By the way, did you hear his on field interview? No,
it was fantastic. Like I've always perceived him as a
little slappy with pretty good readings. He too, like, maybe
too slappy to be the leader. But he did one
of those silly on field interviews right after the game,
which usually or nothing, but we won. You I forget
(24:29):
who was doing the interview, but simple questions he came
up with, uh, detailed answers with depth and context and leadership.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's the new thing in the NFL, though, whether it's
Jalen Hurts fortune cookie stuff or it.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
Is really impressive listeners to how to speak, which is
the first time I've ever said that about a guy
who once lost a game at usc and and ran
to cry on his mother's shoulder in the stands.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, that that was a bad look.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
And then there are people, who, you know, the homophobic
people out there who keep calling him the lgbt QQB
because he paints his yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, his nails and it's kind of funny heels. But
and I don't know if it was in this interview
or if it was in the locker room, but I
had read that he had said to his teammates, like,
you get paid for the regular season, and the postseason
is about your legacy.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
That was not in this interview, but he talked about
I think the interview asked him what it just what's
this win mean? And he went through the fans and
the organization and the team and how their their comeback
ability and how it was really good stuff, which is
not usually the case in those things.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
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Big End. This is the culmination of what Mike Tomlin
had promised to Aaron Rodgers at the beginning of the year,
which was an opportunity to play playoff football with a contender.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
Yeah, and you know Randall last week. Had they not
made it, Man, that would have uh, you know, that
would have been almost cataclysmic for the franchise. But the
next step, of course, is to win a playoff game.
I mean, that was the purpose, not to get to
the postseason, but to win a playoff game, because we
(28:50):
know they've been to the postseason, so we're going to see.
We're going to see. And I will say this though,
he I mean, he was a big reason that they
made it to the postseason. The way he played last week, Uh,
you know, answering each of those long touchdowns with those
two scoring drives, he's calling you know, he's calling the
(29:12):
plays effectively the line of scrimmage because they had to
and man, they responded, He responded, they responded, and now
you know, against this type of defense, we're you know,
we're gonna take the next step and see see if
if they can win a playoff game. It's gonna be
tough because of the style Euston plays, But I'm just, man,
(29:34):
I'm curious to see how how he's gonna handle it,
because it's gonna it's gonna be all about him and
what he's able to do with the line of scrimmage
against his defense.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, that speaks to what I wanted to ask you
about next, which was the difference between the last year
and this year in terms of confidence clearly attributable to
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
But what is the trickle down effect of that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
What do you see that's different under the leadership of
Aaron Rodgers with this team that has come to fruition.
Speaker 11 (29:59):
Yeah, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and and
throw water on what Russell Wilson did or what type
of quarterback he is, because he uh, you know, he
was a leader with them, he always has been in
his career. But it's just it's just a different level,
uh with Aaron Rodgers. And and it's the it's the
(30:20):
calming effect too. It's not that Russe was a panicky
kind of guy, because he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
But but this this.
Speaker 11 (30:27):
Calming effect you know, that he has on these guys,
and which translates then to to confidence is man, There's
there's no denying the impact what he has had on
the rest of these guys. Uh, you know, just you know,
forgetting for a moment what he's able to do, you know,
you know, Uh, Arthur Smith always says and has said
(30:52):
that he's the smartest quarterback in the league Baroness. Of
course he is nobody, uh with except I don't. I
don't know. Maybe one or two other guys can do
what he does. Matthew Stafford perhaps, but not to the
level that he does it at the line of scrimmage,
but beyond all that, just his effect on the players
in the huddle, in the locker room, whether it began
(31:14):
a training camp, you know, he was an open book
if he wanted the guys to get to know him,
and you could see the way they've responded, and you know,
there's no denying the impact he's had on this football team.
And that's why curious to see if there is a
next step one winning a playoff game and then what's
after that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So you've we've all watched his relationship with Arthur Smith.
There's times when they are combative, like on the field,
they are shouting at each other back and forth. How
would you describe their working relationship and how that plays
out during the a game like tonight. You know, if
things aren't going great, you know the people will say errors,
you just go rogue.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let Aaron, you know, call the plays.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
How much of that is actually Like if Aaron Rodgers
disagrees with what Arthur's Smith wants to implement, how much
of a veto does he have on that? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (32:05):
Well, first of all, I don't think there's too many
instances where that occurs. I will tell you Arthur Smith
loves Aaron Rodgers and so, and I got no indication, man,
he is. Aaron Rodgers has given credit to, you know,
Arthur Smith and his play calls, you know, almost weekly,
and so Arthur Smith he you know, he gives Aaron
(32:27):
the free reign. If he wants to change what he's seeing,
he can. A lot of times he's not changing the
play call, he's changing, you know, some of the options
within the play because there's not just one play. That
one play might have four or five options to it,
and Aaron then will change within within the original call.
(32:48):
And sometimes you know, especially in their hurry up man,
he's calling the plays on the fly because he has to.
So no, I think Arthur Smith gives him that free rain.
It's a little different than their relationship that you know
that was occurring with Russell Wilson towards the end of.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Last year a little bit.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
And you know, I think you think so. I think
there's a lot of that is you know, it's the
mutual respect. Now I've gotten no indication. Now those two
guys get along. They're both combative types of intense competitors.
I don't want to say combat they're both intense competitors,
and we've seen Aaron, you know, show some of his
disgust on the field. It's not what the play call
(33:29):
might be with the way somebody ran around. We see
it all the time, but he's not terribly demonstrative about
it where it's disruptive or he's showing anybody up. But
that's just the kind of player is. That's why he's
lasted twenty one years and it's the four time league
hemvyp You.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Know, it's funny, Jerry.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I think that relationship is going to be on display tonight, Rogers.
You know, I'm all for letting the guy with twenty
one years of in helmet experience call it as he
sees it.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
But I also think there's.
Speaker 10 (33:59):
Going to be a certain tonight where you're gonna have
to run the ball and punt at times and outlast
these guys because their pass rush is so good and
their speed on defense is so good. I don't know
that checking out of a run to a sideways flank
or screen is going to get anything accomplished. And you
know Roger's history is he's more than happy to check
(34:19):
out something and throw it because that's what he does,
and he's really good at it. But I wonder if
he's gonna have the patience to night. I'm not saying
he's not gonna, but I think he's gonna need to.
Speaker 11 (34:32):
Well, Mike, I think for the most part, what we
have seen from him is a patient quarterback. I wouldn't
sit here and say he's merely a gunslinger. And I
say that because you know, he's not throwing interceptions, none
in the last seven games and nine of the last ten,
and he has been sacked percentage wise, is the fewest
(34:55):
sacked per percentage in his career. And that's even taken
some sacks sometimes. You know, we see him deliberately take
a sack so as not to turn the ball over.
So I think he's been patient. And you know, some
of the quarterback play i've seen the last couple of
days in the postseason, I've seen guys who aren't that,
(35:19):
including the guy who's never won a playoff game, Justin Herbert,
and so I've not seen.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Him be that way.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
I've not seen him go rogue at all. And you know,
give it to Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Canna to turn the
helmet the receiver off, you know, so I I, you know,
I thought Arthur Smith, what he did last week, you know,
I thought it was so essential for him to be
key in that game, and and you know, not having
(35:49):
DK Metcalf again, and and I thought he was. I
thought the way they responded against the Ravens, unlike the
way they did in Cleveland, coming off that pitiful performance, man,
I thought was big.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And so.
Speaker 11 (36:04):
I don't see that Aaron Rodgers. I don't see him
doing that.
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Speaker 3 (36:28):
Jerry d thanks as always, Buddy, appreciate your time.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
Randall, thanks man. I'm excited to see what they got
and see what happens me too.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
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